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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the Rough.

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Speaker 1: We are recapping Royal Housewives of Orange County Season nineteen,

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Speaker 1: episode seven. Right now, I am here with one of

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Speaker 1: my besties and producer. Hey, I'm agin it's so you

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Speaker 1: normally hear laughing in the bat going stupid.

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Speaker 2: Why I got to do this with Erica once and

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Speaker 2: now I get to do it with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Erica was out of town. Then we didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be too backed up on episodes, So here

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Speaker 1: we go. We are going to be recapping this episode.

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Speaker 1: It should be titled you can't do the show without Tamram. No,

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Speaker 1: you can't. I mean they're even on the freaking trip

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Speaker 1: and they're having to pan to Tamra and therapy.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't get through a full day of New Orleans

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Speaker 2: without Tamra. Judge. They were like, let's cut the chip

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Speaker 2: chip short, let's go. Sorry, get off the boat, ladies.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, we got to keep it going. So the episode

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Speaker 1: starts out the girls are heading to the airboat Adventures. Emily,

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Speaker 1: Heather and Gin are in one car. The other car

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Speaker 1: has Katie, Gretchen and Jen. Shannon's running late. Both cars

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Speaker 1: are discussing what happened with Tamra last night not Shocked. Here,

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Speaker 1: Gina tells Emily that Heather said that she called the

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Speaker 1: journalist and confirmed with what Tamra said was true and

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Speaker 1: that Katie was lying. Here's where I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know what we should clear up real

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Speaker 2: quick that bothers me. People are saying about they call

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Speaker 2: basically you and Tamra bloggers because this word blogger, I

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Speaker 2: think has gotten so out of context. A journalist, a podcaster,

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Speaker 2: a blogger, a Bravo content creator. There's a vast difference

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Speaker 2: between all of these people. So Gina calling a journalist

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Speaker 2: is not the same thing as talking to a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote blogger. With the blogger they're using the context of

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Speaker 2: the show are basically Bravo content creators.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, but I wouldn't say that Kiki Monique is

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Speaker 1: a Bravo content creator.

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Speaker 2: Well, she has an actual radio show, A saying she

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Speaker 2: has a radio show, but you wouldn't call her a blogger. No, Right,

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Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm saying. I think we're getting the

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Speaker 2: things all conflated with with the word blogger. We're lumping

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Speaker 2: it all one because people are calling out Tamra, saying

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Speaker 2: Tamra is a blogger, Like she's not. She's a podcaster.

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Speaker 2: She's a housewife who runs a very successful podcast. That's

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Speaker 2: not the same thing as being a blogger.

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Speaker 1: But also, if you are a blogger, fine, but that's

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Speaker 1: not who we're talking about in this instant.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yes, that's the point I wanted to make.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also this is where I'm confused. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: Katie's lying, but.

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Speaker 2: What else is new?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, Katie's Lyne. But also so it's so

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Speaker 1: obvious to me that so is Gretchen.

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Speaker 2: Oh and I think Jen gives the tell at the

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Speaker 2: end of the episode, which we can talk about now

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Speaker 2: if you want. But this it was a big moment

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Speaker 2: for me because Jen says in her talking head eventually

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Speaker 2: even if she did say it, and to me that's

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Speaker 2: in immediately, oh she said it. Yeah, if you're saying

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Speaker 2: even if she did say it, she said it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the girls arrive at the Airboat Adventures to

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Speaker 1: see some alligators. Shannon is having a panic attack.

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Speaker 2: What else is new?

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Speaker 1: The hair is askew. She's having a panic attack, so

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Speaker 1: she's late. They decide they want to leave her but

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Speaker 1: she still needs your coat. Okay, Shannon, come on, Once

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Speaker 1: you're late, then you can't ask for production to go

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Speaker 1: get your coat.

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Speaker 2: Well, are there xanax in the coat? Because then maybe

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Speaker 2: they should get the coat.

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Speaker 1: Can I have the coat?

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Speaker 2: Please? Are there some zannies in the pocket?

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Speaker 1: Our xanax in the night before? In the coat?

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Speaker 2: I think she took them all.

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Speaker 1: Then Gina explains that she's having a lot of anxiety

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Speaker 1: and being late does not help, and Shan starts crying

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Speaker 1: and saying, well, I had a panic attack or anxiety attack.

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Speaker 2: That's Shannon's perpetual state. Is an anxiety attack?

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Speaker 1: Well mine too?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but you handle it a little bit better

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Speaker 2: than she does.

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Speaker 1: I think, are you giving me a compliment?

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Speaker 2: You know you look really good today? The hair, I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you start.

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Speaker 1: Say obsessed with me?

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Speaker 2: He looks so it's so creepy.

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Speaker 1: Scoot over. But the girls arrive at Bourbon House for dinner.

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Speaker 1: They try fried oysters at the bar and Emily makes

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Speaker 1: fun of Heather. Heather and Emily started arguing and didn't

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Speaker 1: even notice that Gina was honestly choking. She yes, she was,

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Speaker 1: but I also don't think Gina needs to be off

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I had this conversation with Erica too. You

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Speaker 2: both enjoyed Gina. That's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, then why are you getting mad about it? I

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Speaker 1: there's no rate, Like, why are you all wake up?

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Speaker 2: I think I said it's the vocal fry. But also,

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Speaker 2: you know, Gina's doing her job this season. I feel

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Speaker 2: like she's playing the middle, the middle person, the middle orange.

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Speaker 2: I don't know something about it, just doesn't. I did

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Speaker 2: like that she called Shannon out on being late. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is a through line I feel like on Housewives

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Speaker 2: this week because we've dealt with Lisa being late and

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Speaker 2: then Shannon being late.

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Speaker 1: So I get between the lateness and the headbands. Enough

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Speaker 1: is enough?

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Speaker 2: Oh the headband's gotta go with that Gretchen out look.

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Speaker 1: The confessional with the with the did you see the

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Speaker 1: drunk drawn picture of No, Oh, he did one. It's

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Speaker 1: so good.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I got to look at up drunk look up

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Speaker 2: drunk drown. If you guys don't follow him on Instagram

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Speaker 2: or him or her, I don't know whatever the pronouns are,

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Speaker 2: but drunk Tron is amazing.

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Speaker 1: So good.

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Speaker 2: No, but that look was like it was like Jackie

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Speaker 2: Kennedy on Nassis, but like bought it on Timu, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like it? It didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It was not it was a no boring out. Then

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Speaker 1: at dinner, Gina brings up that she called the journalist

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Speaker 1: and they confirmed that Katie did say that to Kiki.

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Speaker 1: Gretchen wonders, why are they're talking about it if it

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Speaker 1: wasn't published. She says she doesn't have proof, so why

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Speaker 1: would she believe Kiki. The girls want to call Kiki,

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Speaker 1: and Jen says that if she were Katie, she would

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Speaker 1: be dialing Kiki right now. And Katie's confessional, she explains

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Speaker 1: the last fall, she went to dinner with Jen, Gretchen

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Speaker 1: and all of their significant others, and she says that's

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Speaker 1: when Gretchen and Slade told them At the night of

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Speaker 1: hospital and she did a toxicology report and they found

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Speaker 1: drugs in her system.

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Speaker 2: So at this point are we believing Katie?

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Speaker 1: At this point, I believe that Katie told Kiki Monique.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I also believe she told Kiki Monique

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Speaker 1: because Slade and Gretchen told her that story.

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Speaker 2: Gretchen, I feel at this point had not been asked

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Speaker 2: back yet. When if we're going back to when this

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Speaker 2: conversation happened at that dinner.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, right, Oh, I think the unfilmed conversation.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think if I don't know if this

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Speaker 2: was Gretchen and Slade trying to get back on the show,

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Speaker 2: if it was them not being on the show and

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Speaker 2: wanting to get at Tamra and they thought Katie was

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Speaker 2: the vehicle to do it. They knew, they knew by

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Speaker 2: last season. Katie obviously is going to take things like

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Speaker 2: she did with the paparazzi with Heather last season and

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Speaker 2: just use them to her advantage. She's she should on

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Speaker 2: paper be an amazing housewife. Yeah, and something isn't working

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Speaker 2: with the way.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't think she wants to be the shit

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Speaker 1: talk the same way Jen's doing it is what Katie's doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jen is a different level of disingenuous to me.

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Speaker 2: I think what Katie's problem is is that she hasn't

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Speaker 2: given herself enough time to make real relationships.

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Speaker 3: Well, not like anyone's trying, right, But don't you think

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Speaker 3: that if she had built at least a connection with

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Speaker 3: these women maybe last season going like, you don't care

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Speaker 2: There aren't high enough stakes with her with the women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether she's there or not. It's like there's no

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Speaker 1: real relationship and we're hearing the same thing over and

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Speaker 1: over and over again. But to me, now, the story

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Speaker 1: isn't about Katie. I don't care about Katie. I care

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Speaker 1: about Gretchen and Slade telling this to Katie.

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Speaker 2: Correct and what their purpose and reason was.

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Speaker 1: And was it to talk shit about Tamra because or

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Speaker 1: was it because they're truly upset by it? Is it

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Speaker 1: because they wanted it to come out on the show?

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Speaker 1: Is it because they wanted to be back on the show?

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a million different reasons why it could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean obviously they wanted back on the

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Speaker 1: Why is Jin pretending she doesn't remember this conversation?

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Speaker 2: Is the problem with n Jin? She has been lying

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Speaker 2: remember at the beginning of the season, Gina said, Jen,

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Speaker 2: you said that Katie's a con artist, and Jen pulled

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Speaker 2: was the same with the video that Katie took of

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Speaker 2: people are saying all these things and you're always I

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Speaker 2: would never do that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that nobody goes against Jen because Jen

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Speaker 1: got a good a good season last year.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a factor for sure. I mean, Jen is,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think she is interesting to watch. I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of story there that we're missing

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Speaker 2: out on, and I hopefully they start digging into it

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Speaker 2: and she gets, you know, more of combative people about

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Speaker 2: what she's saying. She's just they just let her slide

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Speaker 2: with things. It's crazy. I think at this point you

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Speaker 2: should be able to tell that and is lying Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then they panned to Tamar going to see her therapist.

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Speaker 1: She tells her what happened in New Orleans. Tamar explains

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Speaker 1: that she tried to call me before dinner, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't answer. It's not a shock and this is not

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Speaker 1: just a tamor thing, I don't ever answer the phone.

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Speaker 2: Wait, just please talk about the fact that your voicemail

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Speaker 2: we here is I forgot don't leave me a voicemail,

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Speaker 2: and Tama goes, hey, babe, I forgot about that part.

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Speaker 1: My voicemail does say Hi, it's Teddy, Please don't leave

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Speaker 1: tam I've forgot about that. But she said she knew

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Speaker 1: it was going to be hard on her going in

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Speaker 1: annex and had two drinks, and since she got home,

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Speaker 1: none of them called her, is what she says to

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Speaker 1: the therapist.

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Speaker 2: Correct. We we do get into that later with the

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Speaker 2: scene with Heather.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we get they're all home now, Emily

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Speaker 1: and Shane send Luke off on his plate. Emily says

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Speaker 1: Luke was calling her over and over again in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Could possibly be it. But that's where I'm having the problems.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just don't understand what the point was I did.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I think she'd probably have hung

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Speaker 1: But it came. I don't think that Katie expected it

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Speaker 2: I don't think Tamra. I think Tamra was going through

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I agree with you. I think that they're

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Speaker 2: And but what I don't understand about Katie is why

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Speaker 1: Because she sold her out.

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Speaker 2: And now look what happened. She throw Jen and Gretchen

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think Katie had a chance to really

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Speaker 2: I want Katie to be a good housewife.

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Speaker 1: But Katie and her confessional asks the producer if she

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Speaker 2: The producers know the questions lying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that they know that she's lying.

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Speaker 1: And we have Matt saying he knows that. Matt doesn't

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that he chooses to be kind of.

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Speaker 2: I think they. I think they kind of. I wish

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Speaker 2: and I wish you would just blow shit up. I

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I want, Katie. Just

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Speaker 2: Up the reunion. Katie, we need you to blow it up.

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Speaker 1: Blow it up. I'm going to end this episode with

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Speaker 2: You got it in you, Katie,