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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guess to my home.

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Speaker 1: You gotta come to be empty, And I said, no guests,

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Speaker 1: your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,

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Speaker 1: So how did you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Joe Rogan. I

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Speaker 2: hope you're doing all right. I hope you're having a

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Speaker 2: nice day, you know. I hope that if you go

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Speaker 2: out today, if you've recently moved to a new neighborhood

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Speaker 2: and you feel like going out for a coffee, then

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Speaker 2: it feels like it's going to be a five minute thing.

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Speaker 2: Go do it. But if you do that, when you

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Speaker 2: get there, do not update your phone, because there's a

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Speaker 2: strong chance that suddenly you're going to be driving up

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Speaker 2: and down a mountain. You're not going to know how

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Speaker 2: to get back home. You're going to circle back to

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Speaker 2: the coffee place. It's going to end up being a

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Speaker 2: thirty five to forty minute trip. So that's just my

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Speaker 2: piece of advice for you. And other than that, I

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Speaker 2: just want to welcome our guest.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's just absolutely wonderful and I'm thrilled that he's here.

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Speaker 2: Gabe Leadman, welcome.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, I said, no gifts, the absolute designer of

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Speaker 4: OS fourteen.

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Speaker 2: In every way. Well, thank you for this update. You

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Speaker 4: Oh, is it that it's always bad at first rate?

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Speaker 2: Well, I never update at first, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: this is me literally driving up at knowing I needed

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Speaker 2: And now, god damn, I don't notice any different differences.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't I just wait till I went to bed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, that's a great question, because it'll

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Speaker 2: just do it for you if you're in bed, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't wake company it's just like that's how your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how long do you usually wait to update? Well,

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Speaker 4: I wait several days. I have not updated it yet.

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Speaker 2: It came out yesterday, right yesterday or today?

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Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, no, I'll wait a couple of days

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Speaker 4: because there's bugs.

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Speaker 2: Right, usually people you let everybody else suffer through it. Yes, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think I'm I think the OS is fine as

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had like a big problem with the OS?

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Speaker 2: Says I Ever been an update where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: You need to find patient zero of the comedy community

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Speaker 2: who started at this gym. Well, I'll tell you who

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Speaker 2: You were going multiple times a week. I was going

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Speaker 2: It was hard. What I was doing was still hard.

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Speaker 2: It was hard. It was a good workout. I miss it.

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Speaker 2: and try to eat health health healthily. Is that a word?

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Speaker 2: It does not feel like a natural that comes out

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. It's all the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But do you do you feel like you as far

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Speaker 2: as we've now established that you are willing to lie

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Speaker 4: I'm one of those people I say things are okay

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Speaker 2: thing within a relationship. Yeah, totally. Things can build up.

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Speaker 2: Things can build up, for sure. And are there any

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Speaker 2: attempts to share your feelings or is it always? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean either, like it'll become so obvious that

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Speaker 2: It or or I will I will.

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Speaker 4: Summon the strength to have a conversation. Sure, but I'll

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Speaker 4: eat a lot of shit. First, is in particular you

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Speaker 4: like to eat in these situations? Oh no, I mean

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Speaker 2: I thought were like talking about comforting your feelings, because

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Speaker 4: patch in the backyard, right, And I planted a lot

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00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 4: of things in their flowers, plants. Some things lived, a

434
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: lot of things died, but slow things came together. Sure,

435
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: I had one little strawberry plant in there, and I

436
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 4: would get like three strawberries a year. It was my

437
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 4: big harvesting. Always really left. They were great.

438
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: They were absolutely great.

439
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

440
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Did the strawberry plant become like a regular sized plant

441
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: that was only producing three strawberries? Or was it just

442
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: like this is as big as I am, I can

443
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: only do three. I think I really jammed it in there,

444
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: didn't give it. What I have learned is that you're

445
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: not supposed to plant things so close together.

446
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: They need to grow and spread out. But I was,

447
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: like I said, it was this oddly shaped little thing.

448
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: I just I crammed a whole a whole nursery in

449
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: there and let them just sort of thin for themselves.

450
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: Sure, and have you found any plant easier to maintain

451
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: than others?

452
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: Well, certainly out here the succulents are the easiest. They

453
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: need the leaves. The tomatoes are really easy if you

454
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 4: don't have shade.

455
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: But that's the big challenge in my backyard right now.

456
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: There's no shade to me, are great? Oh so tomatoes

457
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: do not want shade.

458
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: They don't want shade. They want someone to be blasted. Yeah,

459
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: absolutely blasted. And some herbs like that and other ones don't.

460
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: All right, what else is growing in your garden currently?

461
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 4: What like as far as vegetables, herbs, fruits, that's what

462
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: I mean. We have three tomatoes. Okay, We've got a

463
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: bunch of a lot of mint, more mint than you

464
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 4: could ever do anything with a little bit of basil

465
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: that's just hanging on. We have a holapo plant that

466
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: made two pepper. That was what I was hoping was

467
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: going to be your gifts, because they're actually very funny shades.

468
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: They're not they don't look like what do they look like?

469
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: They're kind of a round, oh weird, like they look

470
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 4: almost like little egg plants, but they're green and spicy.

471
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

472
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: I thought this will be really funny if this comes

473
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: through in time, but there's none available for you right now.

474
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: I hate to hear that type.

475
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: Yeah to hear that, and then everything else is just

476
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: absolutely burst into flames. Cilantro, dead, dill, dead, time dead.

477
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: We had lettuce but it got absolutely fried. And also

478
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: we have a lot of fucking like vermin back there,

479
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: just like yeah, if you're just squirrels, rats, skunks, everything,

480
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: everything is coming through at night. So that's another reason,

481
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 4: another reason I grabbed that tomato before it was right,

482
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: because the rats will get it. Of the hundred tomatoes

483
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: we've grown this pandemic, I would say, we've gotten to

484
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: eat like five.

485
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh you've got to kid, Now, what are you doing

486
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: with tomatoes? Just eating them? Throwing them in salads, making throw.

487
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: Them in a salad, throw them in a pasta, Like

488
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 4: I said, we've only had a handful. So those are

489
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: the two things we did, a salad and a pasta.

490
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: No, I want to go. I want to return to

491
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: mint because I think that mint as an herb is

492
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: deeply underappreciated. Yes, it felt like it was great a moment.

493
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: I felt like people were putting it in foods and

494
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: it was so wonderful to have mint, and now it's

495
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: vanished to get.

496
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm guilty of this. I grow so

497
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: much of it I you so little, right, and everyone's

498
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 4: while I'm like, should I just like make a big

499
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: iced tea or some shit, like just use it all

500
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: at once. I'm sure a pesto would be great, but yeah,

501
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 4: it's like all you want is just a couple of leads.

502
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: Everyone's small, but we have like three pods of it.

503
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: It just doesn't stop right.

504
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: It seems very easy to grow. And yeah, I hate

505
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 2: to hear that your cilantro has died, because I just

506
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: as yesterday was thinking I should buy some cilantro to

507
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: try growing. But oh, I wish. Is it fickle? I have?

508
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean mine was well, tried it twice. It's thickle.

509
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: It's absolutely thickle. It's one of the ones I tried

510
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: it from seeds, okay, and it's like it comes on

511
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: really strong and it looks like the babiest version of

512
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 4: it looks like cilantro, and you're like, oh man, I'm

513
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: killing it right now. This is just about to explode

514
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: into a bushel of cilantro. And then the next day

515
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: it was just like brown and gone head. I don't

516
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 4: know what happened.

517
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't trust growing anything from a seed. I don't

518
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: know that I've ever grown put a seed in the

519
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: ground and then watch it become a plant. I just

520
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: feel like it gets lost in the dirt and vanishes. Yeah,

521
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: I just need to mit. I need a plant to start.

522
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: I need a head start on these things, right.

523
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it just seemed like the ideal

524
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 4: quarantine activity, right, right, even though I thought this would

525
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: last like a month, honestly, but I was like, Okay,

526
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: here we go, we're being crafty.

527
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I tried it twice died both times.

528
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: Bad.

529
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 2: Do you cook much? Yeah? I like to cook a lot, Okay,

530
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: but you don't like to bake, like you two split

531
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: the dude. Yeah, and well he's a good cook too.

532
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point six months in, we both

533
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: do both. Okay, sure, but it used to be more binary.

534
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: I would say he baked and I cooked, But now

535
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 4: we both have to do both because we're shut it.

536
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: Right. You have you been pretty closed off from the world. Yeah,

537
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: I have.

538
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: Like I haven't done an outdoor restaurant or anything like that.

539
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: I have been doing like social distance outdoor hangs with friends.

540
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, that's about as far as I've gotten. Yeah,

541
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: you'll drive past these, especially these like sidewalk restaurants and

542
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: more busy areas where people are literally just like back

543
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: to back and I don't know, it's crazy. Yeah, And

544
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: it's usually at a restaurant where I'm like, I wouldn't

545
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: have eaten their pre pandemic exactly. What does actually you're

546
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: going to die for? Inane? It does not make a

547
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: lot of sense to me.

548
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're both talking about Cafe Figure out of course

549
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: next to the bookstore.

550
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: It's packed. It's always, it's crazy crazy. I'm so glad

551
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: that we were thinking of the same thing that really

552
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: seems to attract a really bad clientele just awfle people. Yeah,

553
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: and what I don't understand what's happening there? What's drawing

554
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: them in? Uh? Yeah, I don't know what the appeal

555
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: is there. I guess it's just they're doing something right,

556
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: part of some sort of jerk or something.

557
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: It is absolutely back to back to back people all days.

558
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: So strange.

559
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm like scared to like nail something in a mailbox

560
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: right across the street.

561
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: But no, these people are just out there having bad

562
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: French food or yeah, Figure is serving. Yeah, do you

563
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: is there any particular, like particular type of food you

564
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: like to cook? I run the gamut.

565
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: I guess I circle around Italian Okay, sure, yeah, that's

566
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: as a genre.

567
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Just various pastas, this.

568
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: Kind of pastas fresh stuff.

569
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you kidding? I mean, are you getting fancy

570
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: or is it fairly simple? I'm getting fancier? Really, what

571
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: are you doing now?

572
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: I read recipes like as if I'm reading a book,

573
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: but I'm like, oh, maybe this for the future, and

574
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: I keep it in mind and we get the groceries and.

575
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you had any disasters cooking lately or is it?

576
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've got a hold of it.

577
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: It's been pretty smooth. I made a pretty bad steak

578
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: way overcooked?

579
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: Way, way what happened? I mean, do you like a

580
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: steak on a more well done anyway? Or I mean

581
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: I would go medium medium ware.

582
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: There was something I was like, it just just got

583
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: to wait for me.

584
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: I just kept on.

585
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: It's something that should have cooked for like maybe five minutes,

586
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: just got a good twenty It just had the last

587
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: This was on the grill.

588
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Okay, oh geez. Yeah, and overcooked steak I think is

589
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: maybe the most miserable thing to eat.

590
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: Because yeah, you're like, shit, yeah, it's supposed to be

591
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: way through it and I can't.

592
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's truly said. I just I don't know. I

593
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: don't know what happened there. What a shame. Yeah, that

594
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: was that. I don't know that I have the skill

595
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: to even try a steak. I mean, I'm just learning to,

596
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: like bake a chicken breast. So bake a chicken breast,

597
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: you can do that. No, I'm truly, like, in the

598
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: last month, learned to do that. Okay, guys, So have

599
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: you been doing mostly takeout? Well, I mean until the pandemic.

600
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: I mean I had truly never cooked, and now, like

601
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: I'll do takeout once or twice a week and then

602
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: cook the rest of the time. Okay. So but like

603
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: with poultry, I've always just had this fear, you know,

604
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: because you do have to cook it correctly. Yes, yes, yes,

605
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: but then you learn, oh I mean, if you have

606
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: a meat thermometer, yeah, you just do it and maybe

607
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: if you want to do it a little too much, sure,

608
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: just make sure it's over one hundred and seventy five degrees.

609
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: Then you don't have to worry about salmonila absolutely. But yeah,

610
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean I'm very much a beginner with cooking. I've

611
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: been baking for years, but cooking has been a whole

612
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: new world for me. You should just do you just

613
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: make yourself a cake every day? I make cookies every

614
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: single day. You do, yes, what kind of cookies? Almost?

615
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I need to break out of it because

616
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: I've been in a real pattern over the last probably

617
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: six weeks of chocolate chip cookies. Well they're the best one,

618
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they are the best. But it occurred to

619
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: me last night. I'm like, I don't even know that

620
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: my brain is sensing like this sensation anymore because it's

621
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: so familiar. I need to break that pattern, and so

622
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: when I return to them, they'll feel new and exciting again,

623
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: right right, right right. I mean, I'll switch it up,

624
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I'll switch up ingredients and this sort of thing. But

625
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, a little variety wouldn't kill me.

626
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: Are you one of the one of the brown the

627
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: butter people for your chocolate chip cookies?

628
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I will occasionally brown the butter, but it is a

629
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: deeply stressful thing to do, I agree, And every tutorial

630
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: is like, this is easy, this is but every time

631
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: I put the butter in the thing, I'm following the

632
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: directions and I am just sweating those minutes or whatever

633
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to burn this and that I'm

634
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: going to have to start over. I'll be in a

635
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: bad mood. Yeah, yep, And I it does make a

636
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: nice little difference. But yeah, I mean is the investment

637
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: worth that difference? I can't say for sure. I can't

638
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: tell if it's worth it either. Right, if it weren't

639
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: so deeply stressful for me, I would probably do it

640
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: every time. But baking is very relaxing. And this is

641
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: absolute opposite, like having to babysit. This this melting thing

642
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: that within a second could be ruined. Right, it feels

643
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: so mistakes to me.

644
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: I completely agree, and I would not see that the

645
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: payoff is there.

646
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: No, even bad bad cookies are good right, right, totally.

647
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: I will enjoy eating. So yeah, like to get an

648
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: extra like two percent on the flavor scale, it's just

649
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: not I'm not doing it, agreed. And I also think

650
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: that you could lie to me and say I brown

651
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: the butter in those cookies, and I would say, oh,

652
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: I can definitely tell, and he's doing a ton of

653
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: work and you don't need to brown it. I mean,

654
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: if a butter is in the cookie, I'm happy, that's all. Yeah,

655
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: that's all you need. I feel like you do this

656
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: every day. I'm doing well. So what I'll do is

657
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: I'll make the dough and refrigerate it, so I will

658
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: have dough for three to four days and then start

659
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: over and got there's always a like a tupperware bowl

660
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: of cookie dough in my fridge just ready to go.

661
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: Your house just smells am easy because there's cookies flash

662
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: every day.

663
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: But again we go back to this is just my

664
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: reality at this point, mirs and know the difference. So

665
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean this mighty. It may smell like Santa's workshop

666
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: in here, but I have no idea. But you need

667
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: to break out occasionally. Like I said, I tried baking cupcakes,

668
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: but I'm honestly I'm not crazy about a cupcake anyway,

669
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: So that wasn't a big deal. Yeah, I agree. I

670
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: don't know. Do you do you have any baking favorites? Eat?

671
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: I love a brownie, and I love a blondie.

672
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: Oh I love a blondie with a chocolate chip. Oh

673
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: I love that of course. I mean it's essentially a

674
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: chocolate chip cookie brownie. Yeah, it's the best.

675
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

676
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: I haven't made those. I mean, actually i've never made those.

677
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: My Mom would make those when we were kids, but

678
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: I haven't. I recently made brownies for the first time.

679
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: Phen I mean, of course, like I'm revealing something, but no,

680
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: I like, I didn't use a mix. I did the

681
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: whole thing. I bought a good quality chocolate for them. They,

682
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean, what a treat. That's fine. And the thing

683
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: my next experiment isn't going to try rye flower. I've

684
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: the for brownies or brownies. Well, I hate to tell everybody,

685
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: but rye flower seems to be the new thing on

686
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: the menu for cook for baked goods. Well, I love

687
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: to hear it because I loved right me too. It

688
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: adds an I think it'll have highest depth of flavor.

689
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: This is the sort of thing I'm looking for. And

690
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm now at a point in my

691
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: baking that I can start experimenting. And I'm thrilled for you.

692
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: We'll try brownies brownies. I mean. The nice thing about

693
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: a cookie is it's it requires almost nothing of the baker.

694
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, you're throwing a bunch of things into a

695
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: pot and stirring it around, and once you've got that down,

696
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: that's all you. But browniees you're probably going to be

697
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: melting something, and so I add one step to things

698
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: that I'm freaking out. It's brownies are an event for me,

699
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: and a cake is something that I don't know that

700
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: I have the emotional wherewithal to even.

701
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I could get into a cake.

702
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: I don't think I would get into a cake.

703
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, a cake is one of those things

704
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: where unless it's phenomenal, I'm not. I'm like, oh, this

705
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: is fine. You're the opposite of a cookie, right, You're

706
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: not excited to eat it? Right? An average cake is

707
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: not worth eating, but an average cookie I will eat all.

708
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Of course, the best cake of all is a cookie cake. Oh, Gabe,

709
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: I might hang up on you. What are we talking about?

710
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: Cookie cakes are the worst to desert? I love them.

711
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: They are horrible. What are you talking about the Missus

712
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: Field's cookie cake? Oh? I would I would love one

713
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: right now, Gabe. It is such an absolute travesty that

714
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: I'm learning this information. This is truly. I mean, if

715
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: I had a political platform, this is something. It's nothing.

716
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: It's the slime. It's a big cookie. Unfortunately, that is

717
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: deeply untrue. Really is it? It's like a cookie paste?

718
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: What we're dealing with is a cookie paste put in

719
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: a and then they're dumping frosting all over it. This

720
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: is something that I think is I've lost a deep

721
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: amount of respect for you. R wow wow. But I'd

722
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: love to hear I mean, any defense that you can

723
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: come to. I'm I'm happy to sit here and listen,

724
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to agree. I think you've only

725
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: had bad ones. But I mean, isn't there only one?

726
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't only missus Fields make them? Well, I don't know

727
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: that I've ever had in missus Fields. Oh interesting, the

728
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: only Yeah, I know that makes it apful. Yeah.

729
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: To me, they're just like a big, huge cookie that

730
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: you have. They need like a pizza. Where are you

731
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: get in those place?

732
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't even know when the last

733
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: time I had one is? Oh so this is now

734
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: the picture is becoming more clear because yeah, the last

735
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: time you had one, you're probably eleven. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

736
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: yeah probably. I'm absolutely with you in theory. I think

737
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: that the cookie cake is I mean a giant cookie.

738
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Who I mean, of course, yeah, I want it a

739
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: giant cookie. Yeah, I'd love to eat cookie in the ship. Well,

740
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: you shouldn't make a good one, But I don't know

741
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: that it's I mean, I don't think that physics, just

742
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: on a physical level, I don't know that it's possible.

743
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: It's not going to cook right, it's not going to

744
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: cook right. I mean it's going to be slime.

745
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I can't wait for the next time

746
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: I'm on this show. It's gonna be my gift.

747
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I would love you know. I mean, of course, again,

748
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: I've only ever had them from Missus Fields, and this

749
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: is a this is essentially a mall nightmare. And even

750
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: their regular cookies at this point are not that great.

751
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, Missus Fields. I think in the early nineties,

752
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: before she lost her way, she was making a good

753
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: cookie and then she sold out. She sold out, of course, Debbie,

754
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Debbie Fields. She's a I got way too much about.

755
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: But I do think that there the general quality of

756
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: their cookies is garbage. So then when you uh bring

757
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: in the fact that they're trying to make it a

758
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: cake and then they put frosting all over it, that's

759
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: also another See no, no, I'm not is it fully frosted. No,

760
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: it's like a sure the wrong thing. Yeah, okay, see

761
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: that sounds good to me, like the frosting sounds good

762
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: to you. It's just a little minner frosting.

763
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: It's mostly like a slice of pizza that's made of

764
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: chocolate chip cookie. That sounds that sounds like the perfect

765
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: I mean that sounds perfect to me.

766
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: It sounds perfect to me too, But unfortunately I just

767
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: don't know that. I feel like we're talking about something

768
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: that could only exist in myth Oh my god, it's

769
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: my it's my new mission. Yeah, I'm going to find it. Yeah,

770
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: if you find it, I would love to know, because

771
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: of course I'm willing to try again as long as

772
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: it doesn't come from the Fields Corporation. Sure, but oh wow,

773
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: this is such an interesting revelation. The fact that somebody

774
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 2: else might even make a cookie cake is really making

775
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: my head spin here, and it's rotly convinced. I've had

776
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: a good one I have. I have such a sense

777
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: memory of it interesting. I'm going to find it. Yeah,

778
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to find it. It's my new life's mission.

779
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the ones I've had. It's always like

780
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 2: at the office and somebody was just given the vague

781
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: mission of like it's this person's birthday, go get them

782
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: something that sounds good. That sounds half effort. They go

783
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: to the mall and buy this thing that's been sitting

784
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: on under fluorescent lights, like in a like mildly refrigerated

785
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: container for who knows how long. I mean. They take

786
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: this really greeny, really greeny icing that's like red. Yes,

787
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: why would be red? The base of that frost? Yeah,

788
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: the red is like truly like paint red. It's not

789
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: oh they put some food coloring in. It's like, oh no,

790
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: they dumped a gallon of paint into some shortening and

791
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: then corn syrup.

792
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: I suppose this sounds good. This sounds good. Still, I'm

793
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: back on board. I'm going to send you one. I'm

794
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 4: gonna But then again, I get into the moral territory

795
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: of like do I want to give the Fields Corporation

796
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: any money?

797
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: And I don't. I want to just shut them down.

798
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: I would love for there to be a good cookie

799
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: retail that I could count on, but I don't know

800
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: that that exists.

801
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: I would love for you to write a biopic of Debel.

802
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would love that. That's a feeling.

803
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: You could handle it. Oh, what is her life?

804
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: You have?

805
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: What is her life outside of selling her soul?

806
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: You know?

807
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean she was a simple baker, and then, uh,

808
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, I think the temptation is always there. I

809
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: mean a recent worry I've had. Have you ever been

810
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: to Lavene Bakery. No. Lavne Bakery in New York makes

811
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: just maybe the best chocolate chip cookies in the world.

812
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: But they're expanding. I've noticed that they've they had like

813
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: two locations in New York and now you know, we're

814
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: opening in Washington, d C. And then the next step

815
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: is we're offering frozen cookie dough, and you know, I

816
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: start to worry. I just, uh, Lavene Bakery, if you're

817
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: out there, I love what you've done with your baked products,

818
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: but I feel like you're getting onto a Field style

819
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: path and we're one step away from making a cookie cake.

820
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: Okay, here's a hopeful version of this story for you

821
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: that might save save your worries. So I in my

822
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: neighborhood that I grew up in Philadelphia, there was the

823
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: best cookies I've ever had were from this Jewish deli

824
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: that was called Famous Fourth Street Deli. That was the

825
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: name of the place, very smart branding. I grew up

826
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: thinking it actually was a famous place. Of course, it

827
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: was called Famous Famous Deli, of course, the world famous deli.

828
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 4: And they had giant chocolate chip cookies, not giant wide

829
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 4: but thick right and dns really good. And then now

830
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 4: they have an online business where you can buy Famous

831
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: Fourth Street Deli cookies to ship them anywhere. You can

832
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: buy them by the dozen. But it's they're clearly not

833
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: still being made in the deli. They outsourced that. I

834
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 4: got them and there's still good.

835
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: You're kidding, Famous Fourth Street Deli. Yeah, in Philadelphia, I

836
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: mean it. So that's where we get into confusing. The

837
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: deli still exists.

838
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: The deli still exists, but the cookies were so popular

839
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: that they I think has spun off a second business.

840
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: I say, I think, I know, And yeah, and it's

841
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: it's you. You can still get the cookies at the

842
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 4: deli when you go, but also if you don't live

843
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia or can't travel there right right because of

844
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: a global pandemic, you can order the cookies online and

845
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 4: they're they're so good.

846
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: And did they only have one variety of cookies or

847
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: is there no? They have a lot of writing Okay,

848
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: is there one in particular I should order, just like

849
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: the chocolate chick. Okay, but they have start.

850
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: They've got peanut butter chip, they've got it with nuts,

851
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: without nuts, got all sorts of cookies.

852
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I think they make a snickerdoodle at this point. I

853
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: love a good snickerdoodle. That, yeah, is one cookie where

854
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: if it's not great, it's probably not worth eating. But

855
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: when it's good, Yeah, yeah, snickerdoodle. And I mean, what

856
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: an insane name. Who was behind that creation? Interesting, whimsical

857
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: somebody and probably in picturing literally Tigger from We need

858
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: to pick, It's gonna give me the only him with a.

859
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: Little notepad is what I'm picturing for the invention of

860
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: the I bet I'm right you probably.

861
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that there's any other logical

862
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: explanation to someone. Yeah, the name snickerdoodle. Well, you know,

863
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: every podcast, I'm really trying to resist the temptation to

864
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: just turn it into speaking about cookies. But you know,

865
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: the bait was here, and I just went for it,

866
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: and so that's all. You know, I'm fine that we

867
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: had this conversation, but I've got to rein it back

868
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: in because I want to play a game. Okay, do

869
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: you want to play a game called Gift or a

870
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: curse or a game called Gift Master. Let's do gift

871
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: or a curse. Okay, Gabe, I need a number between

872
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: one and ten from you. Let's eat Okay, for the

873
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: next minute or so, I have to do some calculating.

874
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: I have to have a list of things that I

875
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: randomly calculate from in order to play the game. So

876
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: you have the microphone. You can recommend something, you can

877
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: promote something, you can you know, you can do whatever

878
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: you truly want. I'll be right back.

879
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, let's see. Since this is a podcast and

880
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: listeners obviously enjoy podcasts, I'm going to club a podcast

881
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: that I produced that my husband created and hosted called

882
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 4: I'm Afraid That, and he interviews people about interesting fears

883
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: that they have and then he talks to experts on

884
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: that fear to give some cultural background. And it's really fun.

885
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: There's two seasons that are out already. There have been

886
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 4: amazing guests. I'm talking Jordan Keel, I'm talking Jenny Slate,

887
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 4: Jenni Sa Bravo, our Lady Jay, fascinating people with really

888
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: crazy fears. Megan Amram, you got to listen.

889
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy, Gabe, what a beautiful I mean you were

890
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: just right there. That felt like we recorded the promo

891
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: for that podcast. Some people really dropped the ball sometimes,

892
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 2: you know, really, Oh no, I'll plug, I'll plug. Look,

893
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: if you're going to do a podcast, you should plug something,

894
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: plug something in your life. That so I'm saying, and

895
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: that's the world we're living in. So well, I've calculated

896
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: these things that we're gonna be talking about here. Basically,

897
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: what is going to happen is I'm going to give

898
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: you an item a subject. You're gonna tell me if

899
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: it's a gift or a curse?

900
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 4: And why?

901
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: Very easy, very first up, This is actually a listener suggestion.

902
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: This is magnifying mirrors, Megan. A listener named Meg and

903
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: has suggested magnifying mirrors gift or a curse? And I

904
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 2: assume doesn't magnifying mirror hotel room. Oh absolutely, a guest.

905
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 2: Why a new perspective, greater detail. You got to see

906
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: the way you've never seen before. Gay, I think it's

907
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: I think it's great, Gab. You've I forgot to mention

908
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: the beginning of this that there are absolutely objectively correct answers,

909
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: and you've you're wrong, You're wrong. I don't know if

910
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna love what you see. I mean, I think

911
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: this one is very obvious. I mean, in an instant,

912
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: your self esteem will be destroyed every time with a

913
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: magnifying mirror. It's a horrifying look at your face. But

914
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: what a gift humility can be yourself out of this.

915
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: That's a curse. It's an absolute curse a magnifying mirror.

916
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: I understand the novelty of looking especially you know, you're

917
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: looking at your pores this sort of thing, but it's

918
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: also a horrifying look at the human face.

919
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you'll never be the same. You absolutely will

920
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: think you're better for it. But you know, agree, it's

921
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: a cookie all over again.

922
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: Oh jeez. I thought we would be on good terms

923
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: at the end of this podcast, but it's just looking

924
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a rough go zero

925
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: out of zero for one?

926
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 4: Is that?

927
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: I don't anytime I try to say that, I think,

928
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 2: is that how people say it? Uh? You're zero for one?

929
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 2: Is that? I think?

930
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: So it feels right to me? Okay, yeah, I would

931
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 4: put the winds first. Okay, oh, okay, whatever over one. Yeah,

932
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 4: that's that feels right for one. Okay, moving on the

933
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 4: second one, gift or a curse having visitors from out

934
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: of town. Oh wow, of course, why well, okay, look

935
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 4: I love the people, right, but the experience of it

936
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 4: is hard.

937
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: You become a tour guide. You don't really get to exhale.

938
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: I would say, I feel like, for me when I

939
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: have visitors from out of town, as much as I

940
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: love those people, and I do love those people, it's

941
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: like a hosting thing. It's stressful and uh, you know,

942
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 4: it's just sort of it's not as pleasant as real

943
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: life when you're by yourself, right.

944
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, in the interest of just disagreeing with you,

945
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: I was thinking, maybe I say that it's a gift,

946
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: but it's impossible for me to say that. You know,

947
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right here. Of course we love

948
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: to have We love our friends and family coming from

949
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: out of town. We all do. But the moment, yeah, yeah, yeah,

950
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: you are no longer allowed to spend one second of

951
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: your day not thinking about those visitors. Even when you're

952
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: alone at your home, you're still thinking what are they doing?

953
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: What are they doing?

954
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: And I and the people who are like, oh, you

955
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 4: don't have to entertain me, I'll take care of myself.

956
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: It's not true. That to me is actually that makes

957
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: the situation way more difficult. I want my visitors to say,

958
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: this is what I'd like to do here, These are

959
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: the things that I would like to do. This is

960
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm the one traveling, and this is what I want

961
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: to do. Because if they don't I live here, you know,

962
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: you live in your city and you don't none of

963
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: us does anything at all, and we don't know what

964
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: to do, we don't know how to entertain correct, so

965
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: you become a deeply dis unqualified tour guide. Yeah. I

966
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: mean there are those elements where it's like you're forced

967
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 2: to go see your city and enjoy things you probably

968
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't have previously. But for the most part, it's just

969
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: such a stressful, stressful. Yeah, it's not as pleasant as

970
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 2: just in and out. I just killed a tune out

971
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: and yeah, I guess right now none of us really

972
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: has to worry about a visitor from another city.

973
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, sadly this is a grass s greener type

974
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 4: thing where it's like this is actually also bad.

975
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know that. I think what I

976
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: ultimately have to just understand is that I'm not happy

977
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: with anything and will never be satisfied yep. Okay, so

978
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: you're one for two. I feel like I said it correctly.

979
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: There we have one more here. And this is actually

980
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: another listener suggestion. This is from someone named Susie and

981
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: she has suggested gift her a curse the W B

982
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: Frog aka Michigan J. Frog. Are you familiar with Michigan

983
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: J of course I am. Top hats kind of dancing.

984
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: He dances, you try.

985
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, this is a really interesting one because he's

986
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 4: had two careers. What career, Well, he was a star,

987
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: he was okay, well, of course he was an actor

988
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 4: performers of a short film where he was a very

989
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 4: annoying character.

990
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: That was the joke of it.

991
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 4: Oh right, And so there's that version of him, and

992
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 4: then there's the spokesperson version of him.

993
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: I would say that he's a curse as a star

994
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: and a gift as a spokesperson. You have to pick one.

995
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm not taking one or the other. Oh my god.

996
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 4: Well, then I guess he's a gift because he's got longevity,

997
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: he's got range, he's multifaceted, he's annoying.

998
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. I'm giving just the name Michigan J. Frog.

999
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: We're right, We're off to the races with that name.

1000
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: We're better for it. What does the J stand for?

1001
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: You know, he's he is annoying. He's like transformed back

1002
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: into a regular frog, I believe from times exactly. That's

1003
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: the thing. Then he's got a cane, I mean what.

1004
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: He's singing and singing and singing, annoying this person in

1005
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: his life. And then when the person's like, look I

1006
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 4: have a singing frog, he just becomes a normal frog

1007
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: and he makes the person look crazy.

1008
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's funny but also annoying. I love Michigan ja frog.

1009
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean, God, bless this Susie for sending in. I

1010
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: mean that really is I mean, we all are better

1011
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: off because of Michigan J Frog. I agree. So wait,

1012
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: what were you calculating? I have just a huge list

1013
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: of things, and I take the number. I go one, two, three, four, five,

1014
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 2: and you know when we land on eight, that's your

1015
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: that's I love that. Well, you have to add the element.

1016
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: We've got a level the playing field here. I can't

1017
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 2: just be picking and choosing. Oh, this is numerology. You've

1018
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: got a yeah, yes, I'm a well I'm a numerologist.

1019
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm slowly losing my mind. And every number means something

1020
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: to me. So I love that. And so here we are,

1021
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: and you've gotten You got two out of three, which

1022
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: is not bad, you know, Okay, I'll take it. I mean,

1023
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: you didn't fail. So yeah, what more can we say

1024
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: about that? We've got to answer a couple of listener

1025
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: questions this book. One of the podcasts is called I

1026
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: Said No Questions. Oh, I should probably just remind everyone

1027
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: that I'm not Joe Rogan. Just realized that I said

1028
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: that at the beginning of the podcast. My name is

1029
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: Bridger Wineger. So welcome to I said no gifts. So

1030
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: here we are, and we're at the final segment of

1031
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: the podcast I said no questions. People are writing into

1032
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: I Said No Gifts at gmail dot com. They need answers, Gabe,

1033
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: let me read the first one. It says, Hey, Bridger,

1034
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: my sister is currently pregnant with the first grandchild in

1035
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: the family, and her mother in law has basically taken

1036
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: control of the entire situation. She's buying furniture, she's buying

1037
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: baby toys, she's buying maternity clothes, she's buying baby clothes,

1038
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: she's buying diapers. She needs to calm down. I need

1039
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: to find the perfect gift that will put this crazy

1040
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: lady in her place. Thought Josh, so this person is uh,

1041
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, competing with a mother in law to become

1042
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: It sounds like person is gay as well, certainly, which

1043
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 2: I love. Uh, trying to outdo a mother in law

1044
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: with a gift. Oh, the competition is heating up, and

1045
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: it sounds like she has essentially bought everything.

1046
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 4: So she's yeah, she's it's got to be like a

1047
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: onesie that said, like says something that really puts mother

1048
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: in law.

1049
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: I you know, I hate grandma but love my uncle.

1050
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: Type of thing. I wish I wasn't. I didn't have

1051
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: to spend time with grandma. Yeah, my grandma, Grandma, My

1052
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: grandma's too much with like an eye roll emoji could

1053
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: be funny, but you have to grand she might this

1054
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: baby might have up to two or more grandmothers, So

1055
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: that's specific enough. If her name is Janet, it would

1056
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: be like Janet's too much or Janet. If you're reading this,

1057
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: I want to go somewhere else or I yeah, Josh, yeah,

1058
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: I think that you do need to be you know,

1059
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: if there's a rivalry here. Being vague about it is

1060
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: not going to do anybody any favors, because sounds like

1061
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: the mother in law is, you know, elbowing her way

1062
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: through the world, and it sounds like this, if you

1063
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: want to establish some level of dominance in this baby's life,

1064
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: you've got to be loud, You've got to be cruel,

1065
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: you know. So I think something along those lines. And

1066
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: I also, I mean, while we're on you know, we

1067
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: were just talking about Michigan j frog. I feel like

1068
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Speaker 2: there's probably a toy there as well. A baby loves

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00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: a frog toy. I feel like, so frog toy. And

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Speaker 2: then you're like it's kind of an US thing, like

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: you wouldn't get it.

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Speaker 4: When Janet's like, I don't when did he get into

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: When did the baby begin into frogs? You can just

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, you weren't there, but it was

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00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 4: a really special memory for us.

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00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: It's all about I think the driving, the way, just

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01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 2: arriving away.

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: I think you just got to make it specific.

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01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: And harsh and uh, don't you know it doesn't have

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01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 4: to be. I mean, she's already getting furniture, so you're

1082
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: not going to outspend her, right, I'm smart, out smart,

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 4: and really just drop the hammer.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful Okay, next question, Highbridger and guests. So this person's

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01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: including you, This strawlish person kind of left you out

1086
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: of the equation, which was unfailed. Hybridge are and guest.

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01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: For my birthday, both my husband and we've got another

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01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: mother in law, both my brother. Both my husband and

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01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: my mother in law unknowingly bought me the same gift,

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: a sewing machine. The sewing machines are different brands but

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01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,479
Speaker 2: essentially the same, and I have no need for two.

1092
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. And they're both

1093
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: waiting to see whose gift I end up returning. What

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: should I do? What's with all these then? Thanks? A

1095
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: not a full name, they're just an A. I feel

1096
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: like a Martinez from NBR. It could be probably is

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: I know she's inn Wow, we've got a lot of

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: competition in these families and the mother in law are

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: stirring the pot and now we've got dueling sewing machines.

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01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: So it almost to me the wording of this email is, uh,

1101
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: what is she saying? They're both waiting to see whose

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: gift I am. That shot out to me as well,

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01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: so I feel it seems like something that's maybe more

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01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: of a problem for a than the people in her

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: life or in their life.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, this is a tough one, right, I

1108
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: think you just got to return and both start over

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: and get yourself a sewing machine. Right, You've got to

1110
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: buy the one that you actually want. Yeah, I'm an

1111
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: independent person. Yeah, you can't pick sides here, because either

1112
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: way there's gonna be uh, there's gonna be a problem.

1113
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: Someone's feelings are going to be hurt. But if you

1114
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: return both, suddenly you've cleared the deck. Now you're clear

1115
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: to purchase a sewing machine of your own. You just

1116
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 2: have to buy one that's not one of those two.

1117
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: But it seems like right, you know, it sounds like

1118
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: sewing machines a lot of them are the same, so

1119
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: there must be a third option.

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the safest that And then you

1121
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 4: sew a big trash can and you throw the other

1122
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: ones in there.

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01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you return both of these, and by

1124
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: a sewing machine, you have now have doubled the amount

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: of money that a sewing machine costs. You buy the

1126
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: most expensive sewing machine, maybe on the planet, sartifactory or something,

1127
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: and then no one's feelings are hurt. This kind of

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: puzzle that your husband and mother in law have set

1129
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: up has been evaded entirely, and the.

1130
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 4: People in your life can get a good night's sleep

1131
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 4: after all this worry.

1132
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: Right, I think maybe so some sort of thing that

1133
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: will bring your husband and mother in law back together,

1134
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: because it seems like there's a fissure there. It seems

1135
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: like there's some something is happening between these two. They

1136
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: don't puck each other, They disrespect and are trying to

1137
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even want to get into this,

1138
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: but the mother in law seems like she's gunning for

1139
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: a Is she trying to push her husband out of

1140
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: the picture. I don't know. There's I mean, I love

1141
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: that psychosexual territory and I don't I don't even want

1142
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: to open that door with a sewing machine. So A yeah,

1143
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: return them by yourself, turn them both, get one of

1144
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: your own, and just say, look, we're done. This marriage

1145
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: is over. I'm leaving with my we are done. I'm

1146
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: sewing myself a car and driving the sunset. Well. Congratulations,

1147
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: A congratulations, Josh, You've both been given perfect advice. Okay,

1148
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: but this is the end of the podcast. You know,

1149
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: we've fought, we've come back together, we've fought again, and

1150
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: I feel like ultimately Michigan Jay Frogg saved the day.

1151
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: And I've now had this tomato, which it's more of

1152
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: an experiment for me than anything. I'm going to see

1153
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: what I can wait to see what you do with it. Yeah,

1154
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this could be this could become anything. At

1155
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: this point. The world is full of possibilities, and you

1156
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: never know what you're gonna do with a tomato. Maybe

1157
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: it has a worm in it and it takes over

1158
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: my home. I don't Oh my god, that would be amazing.

1159
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: You never know. But for the listeners, for the listeners especially,

1160
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: this is a gift to all of us. So thank

1161
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: you so much for being here. You've just been an

1162
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: absolute delight. And I'm sorry that we can't, you know,

1163
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: see each other in person, or you know, see each

1164
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: other at the low of working out. But maybe someday

1165
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: in the future that one day, I'm sure, Yeah, you know,

1166
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: we're all just going to have to keep doing our

1167
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: thing and listener out there, go enjoy your day or

1168
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: try to do something safe, keep a mask on, you know. Actually,

1169
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: by the time this is released, let's definitely make sure

1170
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: we're registered to vote and make good choices, and I'll

1171
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: see you what or you'll hear my voice And at

1172
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: another point this is the end of the podcast, Goodbye.

1173
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: I said No Gifts isn't exactly right production. It's engineered

1174
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: by Earth Angel Stephen Ray Morris. The theme song is

1175
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: by Miracle Worker Amy Mann. You can follow the show

1176
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: on Instagram and Twitter. At I said no Gifts, And

1177
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: if you have a question or need help getting a

1178
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: gift for someone in your life, email me at I

1179
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: said no Gifts at gmail dot com. Listen and subscribe

1180
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me. And

1181
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: why not leave a review while you're at it?

1182
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: Hell? And why did you hear Funa man myself perfectly clear?

1183
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: But you're I guess you gotta come to me empty

1184
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: And I said no guests are own presences persons. Enough

1185
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: I already had too much stuff, So how do you

1186
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: dare to surbey me?