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Speaker 1: all right, It is the buffet with Chad and Scooch,

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Speaker 1: Savage Scooch. He's not available today. But I got something

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Speaker 1: much much better because I have a good friend who

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Speaker 1: the biz today. My former castmate at ESPN, who I

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Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing great, man. We got so much

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Speaker 1: been talking about sports betting in the mainstream space. Honest

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Speaker 1: to god. We probably became friends in like two thousand

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Speaker 1: I mean that show, honest to God. You know, there

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Speaker 1: I have talked about this a bunch. Uh. You started

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Speaker 1: And what happened? I left college early? Uh that twelve

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I don't I don't consider

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Speaker 1: I can do this again. And I did it about

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Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer in momentum, and it gave

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Speaker 1: ever since. Well, I know what it's like to leave

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Speaker 1: ESPN to go work at a startup. Yeah, but by

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Speaker 1: She's like, you're a young fifty four. She goes, you

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Speaker 1: probably not. You're just gonna be hanging out in your house,

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Speaker 1: I should have been on those underdogs because I have

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Speaker 1: so much more money. All Right, Milman, I gotta get

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Speaker 1: coming on, brother, I'll talk to you later. Chad Mellmann.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen support his causes. Goodbye,