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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're kicking off the most wonderful

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Speaker 1: time of year for deer hunters, the rut, and joining

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Speaker 1: us is Field and Stream whitetail expert Scott Bestell. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: and then get out there in the woods. All right,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I am stoked

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Speaker 1: to be here today for two reasons. Number one, the

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Speaker 1: rut is right around the corner, and number two, Joining

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Speaker 1: me and Dan on the show today is Scott Bestell

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Speaker 1: and Avid Deer Huh and white tail communists and blogger

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Speaker 1: for Field and Stream magazine. Welcome to show, Scott, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, Mark, it's great to be here. Hi. Dan,

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Speaker 1: how are you today? Doing good? Doing good? Yeah, we are.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have you on the show. Scott. We've

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Speaker 1: gotten a chat a bit in the past about the rut,

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Speaker 1: and today we're hoping to talk about that topic really

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Speaker 1: for the whole Wired Hunt nation, and it's that awesome

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Speaker 1: time of year. And you know that said, for those

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Speaker 1: maybe that aren't familiar with you and what you've been doing,

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Speaker 1: can you kick us off to start with a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what you're doing today in the white tail world? Well,

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Speaker 1: you mean professionally, I'm I've been writing for Field and

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Speaker 1: Stream for about twenty years, and I was avid freelancer,

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Speaker 1: uh and remain remain that way. I sold magazine or

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Speaker 1: sold stories to mostly major outdoor magazines. And it's kind

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Speaker 1: of fun to make your living doing something you're passionate about. Definitely, definitely,

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Speaker 1: And so that probably means you get to do a

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Speaker 1: lot of white tail hunting in the meantime when you're

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Speaker 1: not writing, right, you know, that's a great that's a

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Speaker 1: great comment. I'm one of my my daughters, a fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old teenagers sophomore now, and she's had kids come

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Speaker 1: up to and say, is it true your dad is

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Speaker 1: like a professional deer hunter? And she just laught to like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my dad is a professional writer, which is there's a

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Speaker 1: huge difference they're I've in just the short year so

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Speaker 1: that I've been doing this, I've come to find there's

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more writing than than hunting. It more

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Speaker 1: than I thought. Yeah, really, it's it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: kind of a cruel joke. You know, we get into

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Speaker 1: this because we you know, we want to we want

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Speaker 1: to do something that we love, and we find out

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Speaker 1: that in order to make money, you know, you actually

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Speaker 1: don't get paid to deer hunt. But that's it. I

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Speaker 1: am spoiled compared to some people. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: as you guys know, it's when you're in this business,

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Speaker 1: you get a little more time to hunt and maybe

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Speaker 1: the average Joe and I used to be a teacher,

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Speaker 1: and I know I hunt a heck a lot more

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Speaker 1: now than I did. That nice, Yeah, I can definitely

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Speaker 1: can definitely relate Um, And I guess said then before

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Speaker 1: we really dive into our main topic tape being the Rut,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'd be really interested to hear about how

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Speaker 1: your deer season has been going so far, Scott. So

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Speaker 1: how's the hunting been? You know, it's been kind of

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Speaker 1: slow for me, Um, which is which is kind of ironic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had the best probably trail camera summer

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Speaker 1: that I've ever had. I've got some wonderful bucks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just keeps seeking better and better, and so I'm really

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Speaker 1: really excited. But so far, as far as what I've

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. I mean, through through many,

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Speaker 1: of these days that's going to happen. Yeah, it's getting

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Speaker 1: when it could happen, so exactly. That's exciting. Now are

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Speaker 1: so far this year I have not traveled. Well, I've traveled.

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Speaker 1: I've hunted the northern Wisconsin just a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: They're they're off to the races and we've got to

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Speaker 1: he's not just living on ear fire and he's going

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00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: to the next farm. How's he gonna get from from

427
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 1: that farm to you and be waiting for him there? Yeah,

428
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: so moving on them to the second piece and all that,

429
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: that makes all the sense in the world. Now, let's

430
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: say you've been hunting your terrain funnels, like you mentioned,

431
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: at this time of year, maybe earlier in the day.

432
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: Now it gets into the evening and you're thinking about

433
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: moving to a food source. Can you tell us a

434
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,239
Speaker 1: little about what kind of food source you're looking for

435
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: to set up on during the rut. And you know

436
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind when you're planning on how

437
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna set up on that food source, how close

438
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: what you know, how you're gonna think about the wind

439
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: and all those things. Yeah, that's a great question, um,

440
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: because food sources are touching places to haunts. Both of

441
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: you guys know, Um, you know one deer are hit

442
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: in one spot consistently. I mean you it doesn't take

443
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: a lot of hunter hunter interactions for you to goof

444
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: it up in a hurry. Um. So if I can

445
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: find out where most of the deer are, you know,

446
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: are entering a food source and back off that just

447
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh. And the main reason I'm concerned

448
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: about that is, um, I'm not if I'm If I'm

449
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: right on the food source and I start busting deer,

450
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna make them hesitant to you know, to come

451
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: back there on a consistent basis. And the other thing

452
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: is when it comes dark and if I haven't tagged

453
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: my bucket, I gotta find a way to get out

454
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: of there without spooking deer on the source. So being

455
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: a guy that hunts farm country quite a bit. I mean,

456
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: that's for the typical of what I hunt on around

457
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: here in Minnesota. Um, I'm looking for as soon as

458
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: I set up a stand, or think about setting up

459
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: a stand, I'm thinking, you know, how how do I

460
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: back out of here? How do I get out of here?

461
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: When all because I know, you know, evening is gonna come,

462
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: there's gonna be deer on the you know, on the

463
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: cut corn or a soybean field or a food plot

464
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: or alfalfa field. UM, I gotta get out of there

465
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: without being detected. So that's that's kind of one of

466
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: my first concerns when I hunt an afternoon food sources

467
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: is getting out undetected. And sometimes if I do decide

468
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: to sit right on the right on the food, which

469
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: on occasion is the best thing to do. Um. I've

470
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: got a couple of buddies here and we just have

471
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: a system worked out where we'll text each other or

472
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: call each other on the cell phone and say, hey,

473
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on this corn field and you know which stand,

474
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: Come out here and get me and we'll just drive

475
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: out in the truck and bump the deer off, pick

476
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: the guy up, and then drive out and the deer

477
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: you know in this country there, you know, farm truck,

478
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing to them. They aren't they aren't spoop

479
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: blight at all. Yeah. I've tried that before too, and

480
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: it seems to work pretty well without, like you said,

481
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: without spooking him too much. Now, how do you feel,

482
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, when you let's say you've got a food

483
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: plot you're hunting and maybe you're just off of it

484
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: a little bit, how are you factoring in the wind

485
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: when deciding where on that food plot you want to hunt? Because,

486
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: of course I imagine you want to make sure that

487
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: you're not getting winded. But I'm curious to hear your

488
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: thoughts on how a buck might be using wind to

489
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: approach that food plot or to check that food plot.

490
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: Is that something you think about when planning your setup? Absolutely?

491
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I can't remember the name of the guy.

492
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: He's a he's a well known deer hunter and he

493
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: and uh, it was twenty years ago he wrote something

494
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: that I have remembered ever since, and he said, the best,

495
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: the best wind for killing a big box is the

496
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: wind that's almost wrong for you and almost perfect for

497
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: the deer. Um. So I like to look at a

498
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: food plot or any food source from several different directions. Uh,

499
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, consider it under several different wind directions, and

500
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: that night, um, you know, whatever afternoon I hunted depending

501
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: on the wind. I mean, there's there's some winds that

502
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: are just gonna be dead wrong for it whatever, and

503
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: then I never I never go in there. But if

504
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different wind directions that I can

505
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 1: get by with. Um, I think bucks tend to like to,

506
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: you know, quarter into the wind or you know, in

507
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: some cases have the wind right in their face. Some

508
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: some days they don't care. But you know, you can't

509
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: gamble on that, and so I like to set off,

510
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: set up. So I'm you know, as as as I

511
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: mentioned before. So the wind is just perfect for the deer,

512
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: but maybe there's a little bend in the trail where

513
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: I can get by with it where it's seen. You know,

514
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: he thinks he's walking with his nose in the wind

515
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: the entire time, but because of this bend in the trail,

516
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: he's gonna be exposed forty yards where he doesn't have

517
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: it in his face. And I've got it perfect for me. Um.

518
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, that's at the constant consideration. Bucks bucks

519
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: use the wind, and even when they don't, you know,

520
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: even in those goofy times when they're not using the wind,

521
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: they're definitely gonna you know, pay attention to you if

522
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: they catch you. So um. Yeah, just that playing that

523
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: win game is just a constant that the constant challenge

524
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: you have to always be thinking about it. Yeah, it's

525
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: It's definitely always on my mind too, that's for sure. Now.

526
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: And you mentioned earlier that you were hunting on some

527
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: betting areas. Now, in terms of betting areas, what are

528
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: you looking for to determine that it is a betting area?

529
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: And then when you do go in there and hunt it,

530
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: are you are you hunting all day or just a

531
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: morning or just an evening. Um, I tend to hunt

532
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: betting areas all all day if I know that's what

533
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm going into. And I've got a couple of I've

534
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: got a couple of sets that are specifically set up

535
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: that way. Um and here and here in Bluff country

536
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: of the deer tend to like the bed high, they

537
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: like the bed on the end of ridges. Uh. And

538
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: I found that fairly consistent behavior, you know, wherever I've

539
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: gone but in this country, where the hills are very exaggerated,

540
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: those those age ends are just killer. I mean, there's

541
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: just something about the deer can bet there, whether it's

542
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: a buck or though, they can bet there, and they

543
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: can lay and have the you know, have the wind

544
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: at their back and be staring the other way where

545
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: they don't have the wind, and if and if they're

546
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna you know, if they detect danger, they two hops

547
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: and they're out of there. So in my country, that's

548
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: a classic betting area. And I've got a couple of

549
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: different stands tongue in spots like that and uh and

550
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: our dear Uh. In both cases, the deer are are

551
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: feeding in farm fields that are out on that same ridge,

552
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: and then as dawn comes, they're working their way back

553
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: towards the ridge end. And so what I do is

554
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: I come up from the bottom of the hill, so

555
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm avoiding that farm field completely in the morning, I

556
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: don't want to blow out the very gear I'm hunting.

557
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: I crawl up there in the dark, I get settled

558
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: in that stand, and then I just I try to

559
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: just grind it out all day long, and I make

560
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: sure that I've got a wind that's pushing my scent

561
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: off of the end of the ridge, and so I

562
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: hang my stand right right on the ridge end. So

563
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, fifteen twenty ft up in the air.

564
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: And so if I've got a wind that's blowing from

565
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: that farm field out to the end of the ridge,

566
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: even if the deer circles down wind to me, say

567
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: if I rattle or grunt to him or he's chasing

568
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the doll, there's no way that deer is going to

569
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: pick up my wind. So that's kind of my classic

570
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: favorite morning betting areas set. Is that a spout where

571
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing activity from bucks checking checking those areas all

572
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: throughout the day, or you know, like you mentioned, there

573
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: was a just a morning spot and you're moving on elsewhere.

574
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Um. In fact, probably one of

575
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: the best best days I ever had last year was

576
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: one of our absolute coldest days was November twenty one,

577
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: and it was I think it was five degrees straight

578
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: temperature and we had like a you know, fifteen mile wind.

579
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: It was just brutal, and I hiked up the hill

580
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: to this betting spot that I told you about earlier.

581
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: It's just it's hung in a skiny little elm tree.

582
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: But I've got good featers behind me for a back cover.

583
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: And I thought, man, I knew it was I knew

584
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: it was gonna be cold. I'm like, man, if I

585
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: can hang in here until noon, you know, I'll probably

586
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: I'll probably get a shot. And I slowly when I

587
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: strapped my warm clothing in my backpack and hiked up

588
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: there and pretty light clothes, got to the base of

589
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: the tree, put all my clothes on, crawled up there,

590
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: and four hours later I had not seen a hair.

591
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I hadn't seen even a fawn. And I

592
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: was just thinking about whimping out and saying, you know, okay,

593
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm not mad enough for this anymore. I better get

594
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: out here. And I looked up and here comes the

595
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: doll and she had four bucks behind her, and uh,

596
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: they all they all slid right in through my just perfect.

597
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't have just mapped it any better.

598
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they were all within fifteen yards and they

599
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: moved out, and then the shooter came and uh, and

600
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: he of course didn't play the game. I don't know

601
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: why that works the way it does, but they had

602
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: they had kind of made a loop around the end

603
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: of the ridge and we're working their way off, and

604
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: instead of swinging right under my stand like every other

605
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: deer done, he just kind of cut across and walked

606
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: out of my life and wouldn't wouldn't respond to rattling

607
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: or grunting or anything. He knew where he was going.

608
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I thought, well, man, it was I

609
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: looked at my watch, it was you. By then it

610
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: was twelve thirty and I've seen four different bucks and uh.

611
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: And then another smaller one came through later and I'm like,

612
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: well man, this is this is just getting nothing but better,

613
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm gonna hang here till the end.

614
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: And I never saw a deer the rest of the day.

615
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: And I thought about that hunt so many times because

616
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, if I got in there early

617
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: and sat for just a couple of hours, I would

618
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: have never seen a thing. If I had gotten in

619
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: their late stat for a couple of hours, I had

620
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: never seen a thing. So I think there's a lot

621
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: more midday movement going on than a guy thinks. And

622
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: uh and dan Um, I actually shot one of my

623
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: nicer iola bucks down there by where you hunt, and uh,

624
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: I had seen a couple of deer early in the morning,

625
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: and then nothing and I just was the turning and

626
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: grind it out. And by Yali at noon that deer

627
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: came through and I was able to rattle him in

628
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and shoot him at about fifteen yards. So I think

629
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot more midday movement going on. And when

630
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: you're hunting betting areas, you just kind of have to

631
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: count on that. Man. I am not a fan of

632
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: hunting all day. I have I have. I don't blame you.

633
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: You can't sugar cold it. It's just terrible. I got

634
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: bad knees and the stands are too small, and oh man,

635
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I could sit here and complain about that forever. But

636
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: but you mentioned no true. I mean I've I've actually

637
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: had days where I'm up there and I you know,

638
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: you've been up there so long it's like I forgot

639
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm even in a tree, you know. And I'm so

640
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: glad I got my safety built on because I could

641
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: just pitch right off the stand. It's a ground. It

642
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: is definitely grind, that's for sure. Now you mentioned you

643
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: mentioned calling, how much calling, rattling, grinding, snort, wheezing, whatever

644
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: do you do? And is it just is it blind

645
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: calling or are you calling only when you see a deer.

646
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: That's a great question, man. I wish I I wish

647
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I had the right answer, because I generally I call

648
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: less now, probably than I ever have. I prefer to

649
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: call the deer that I see just because I old

650
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: what you know, I can judge their reaction. I can

651
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: judge their body language and their mood at the moment

652
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: and how they're responding to that calling. Um. So that's

653
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: my ideal. Um. I carry my rattling antlers on every

654
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: hunt from the middle of September all the way until

655
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the end of you know, end of late season. Um.

656
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: But I use them pretty sparingly. Um, when I know

657
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: things are really rock and when I see bucks that

658
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: are cruising and they're you know, they're outlooking, I don't

659
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: hesitate the blind rattle. However, I'm very very picky about

660
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: my setup. Um And uh, well, let's just go back

661
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: to that ridge. And as as an example, if I've

662
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: got a spot like that where I know a buck

663
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: is incapable of getting my wind, I'm a lot more

664
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: liberal with my rattling. Um. Uh. If I've got a

665
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: spot where you know the wind is kind of iffy.

666
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Like we described that scenario before where you know, everything

667
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: is almost perfect for the buck and everything's almost wrong

668
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: for you. I almost never rattling because I know that buck.

669
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, nine of the bucks are gonna come in

670
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: down wind and he's gonna get me eventually, and I

671
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: just I hate that. It's like, you know, jeez, I

672
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: could have killed that deer fight. I just put my

673
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: horns away. So I'm pretty picky about when I when

674
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: I call and rattle, and I'm I'm big on you know, um,

675
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know this, but I mean, um,

676
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Mark Jurry just pops to my mind, is just a

677
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: calling master and a guy that knows how to you know,

678
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: read dear body language, and no one a dear is

679
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: vulnerable to calling. And I've I've picked up a lot

680
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: of great chips listening to Mark and and other experts

681
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: like that, Um that you know really kind of use

682
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: calling as a as a as a finishing tool or

683
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, more of a you know, I'm going to

684
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: call it that deer when I know he's in the mood,

685
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: when I know he's vulnerable, and if I think there's

686
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: any chance he's not, I'm just not I'm not messing

687
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: with it. So Scott, can you can you share with

688
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: us what that situation might look like when you know,

689
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: can you walk us through, Okay, you've seen a buck.

690
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: What are you looking for to determine whether or not

691
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: he's vulnerable to calling? Can you tell us you know

692
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: what's going to make you call, what's gonna make you say, Hey,

693
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop calling now? Can you kind of walk

694
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: us to that whole situation so that one of our

695
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: listeners might be able to apply some of these tips

696
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: that you're mentioning if they actually have a buck in

697
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: the field and they want to try something like this,

698
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: sure I'd be happy to um. Yeah. Well, if you're

699
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: a turkey hunter, you'll kind of you I think some

700
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: of these things will be kind of obvious to you

701
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: because you can a lot of times we can watch

702
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: a gobbler, if you know, like a field gobbler and

703
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, read how he's responding to our calls.

704
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: And bucks are kind of the same way. So you know,

705
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: let's say I'm up in a tree stand, I've got

706
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: a buck and he's walking and I know he don't

707
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: he can't get my wind right now, he's you know,

708
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: he's upland the meat. Um. And if he's if he's

709
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: not coming in for a shot, there's no way I'm

710
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: not calling it that dear. I've got a call to him,

711
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: because you know what I mean, he's gonna walk out

712
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: of your life no matter what, so you might as

713
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: well call to him. So the first thing I do is,

714
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I will, you know, I will make a soft contact,

715
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: granted at him, or maybe you know, use a bleak

716
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: can to kind of get get his attention. And then

717
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I look for some queue that that buck has heard me.

718
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: And in my belief, they will almost always give you

719
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: some indication that they've heard you. They'll stop, they'll lay

720
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: an ear back, they'll you know, they'll look around. And

721
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: if they don't do that, my immediate my immediate reaction

722
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: is he doesn't know I'm here yet, So I'll just

723
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: amp it up. I'll grunt louder um, and if he

724
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: doesn't hear that, um, you know, I'll tickle tickle, ratting,

725
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: rattling orange just to get his attention. You know, it's

726
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: important to remember that when bucks are in the rut,

727
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're walking through the woods and they're

728
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, they're breathing hard, they're crunching leaves, they're snap

729
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: the twigs, and a lot of times, you know, they

730
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: don't hear that first few contact grunts we give them,

731
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: so in my in my opinion, it's important to get

732
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: their attention, um, and then uh, they'll usually give it

733
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: once they've heard you. They'll give you some kind of indication.

734
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, if if he stops and snaps his head

735
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: and looks right at you, I'm thinking, oh, he's he's interested,

736
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: he's looking uh. And then I try not to call

737
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: when a buck is looking at me. I like to

738
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: have him, you know, focused off of me for just

739
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: a second. And uh. You know, one of my good friends,

740
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: an excellent deer hunter, called it getting in their heads.

741
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: He said, you know if sometimes they'll snap that even

742
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: they'll snap their heads, will look right at you, and

743
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: then they might relax immediately and kind of look away.

744
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: And then he says, I just pop them with another

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: grunt right away and just you know, to kind of

746
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: get that thing in their head, like, hey man, there's

747
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: a buck over here. There's a doll sitting there, and

748
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: you know you need to come over there and check

749
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: her out. Um, And then but if he does something

750
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of sheepish or or timid, like you know,

751
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: tuck his tail or kind of look around like, oh

752
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: you know what was that, I just back off it immediately. Um. Uh.

753
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: They'll usually give you some kind of cute and um

754
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: and it's funny, you know. I mean then you guys

755
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: are on southern Iowa, I mean you bang horns together

756
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and then you just come and bust their dust their

757
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: antlers on your tree, don't some of the young ones Exactly.

758
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: It's a little different here in Michigan. Yeah, it's in

759
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: the same in Minnesota. You know, we've had I had

760
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: dramatic results, uh, dramatically good results are rattling here in Minnesota,

761
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: and I've you know, I've cracked the horns together and

762
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: watch Bucks just you know, talk that tail in and

763
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: go I'm out of here, you know. So the huge uh,

764
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a huge difference uh in rattling response

765
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: depending on where you hunt. And I think anybody that

766
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: tells the differences it's not it's not being truthful. I

767
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: can tell you right now, Scott, I have ruined way

768
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: more hunts with calling than I have been successful with him.

769
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: So it's so over rattling. Back in my back in

770
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: my younger days, I was a rattling machine, thinking that

771
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: every deer wanted to come check out a pair of

772
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: rattling anslers, and that just wasn't the case exactly. It's

773
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: it's definitely higher more. I'm sorry, go ahead. I just

774
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: said it's definitely high risk, high reward at times. Yeah. Yeah,

775
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's that's a great that's a

776
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: great explanation of it. You know, it's kind of like

777
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: you're swinging for the bleachers, you know. Um, And like

778
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I said, when I know, um, I had a I

779
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: had a day last year. Trying to think if it

780
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: was a fifth I think it was the fifth of November. Silent.

781
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: That's my birthday, always on all day on my birthday,

782
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: that's my presence to myself. And alright, I knew it

783
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: or something I like about you. Yeah, uh, but I

784
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: had a great I had a great rattling day and

785
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: it was here in southeastern Minnesota. And you know, I

786
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: think I hit the horns just three times through the

787
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: whole morning, and each time I had a buck of

788
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: some size come check me out. One was a dandy

789
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: three year old and you know, and uh and he

790
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: just didn't have well we were under four point rule

791
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: here and that it was a it was a three

792
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: year old six point and uh so he was awful

793
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: limits to me anyway. But uh yeah, they just had

794
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: a great day. And so you know, there are times

795
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: when when it's just rock and when you know, those

796
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: rattling horns are like a magic tool. And there's other

797
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: times when you know, you just need to put a

798
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: piece of duct taper on those things and put them

799
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: in your back. Yeah. So Scott, what's your rattling your

800
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: typical rattling sequence look like? I know, I've been with

801
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: some guys that just smash them together for a minute

802
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: and you think it's it's just kind of crazy. And

803
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: then there's some people just like to tickle him. What

804
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: does your typical rattling look like? Uh, you know a

805
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on the on the cover. Um,

806
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: When I hunt Western Kansas, which is big open stuff,

807
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I know the deer that I'm hunting

808
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: right now could be a half a mile away from me.

809
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: You know, he could there could be you know, there

810
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: could be a buck cutting across the prairie out there

811
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: that I can't even see, and I've got to get

812
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: his attention, so I tend to rattle a little louder

813
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I always start soft, just under

814
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: the assumption that hey, there might be a buck, you know,

815
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: fairly close here, and I don't want to freak them out.

816
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: I just want him to be curious. So I'll start,

817
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, a little pretty soft sequence, and uh, you know,

818
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if tickling is you know, if it's

819
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 1: probably descriptive for the beginning of it, I might camp

820
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: it up just a little bit towards the end, and

821
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: then I'll just kind of put the horns down and wait,

822
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: thinking that, well, if there's anything close, he's gonna come,

823
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, uh, come check that out. If if he's

824
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: in the mood, um, and then uh again, if i'm

825
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: I'll still I'll give it a little bit, and then

826
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: then I might do another sequence. It's quite a bit louder.

827
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: But again I'm I'm doing that loud, cracking sequence, and

828
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: I'll hit the horns fairly hard together right at the base,

829
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: and then you know, start kind of mashing time together.

830
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: But I don't do that much here around home. I

831
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: do more of this kind of more subdued rattling. But

832
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: when I'm out in Kansas or someplace where I know

833
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I gotta reach out a little bit. I'm not afraid

834
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: to use volume. And the you know, the thing that

835
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: taught me that was I was doing a story once

836
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: on how well Dear here, and I took the I

837
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: took the kids, my my two kids I have have twins,

838
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I want I want you

839
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: to just I'm gonna blow a grunt call and I'm

840
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: gonna hit some rattling antlers. And when you hear me,

841
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: I want you to throw up this red flag. And

842
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: so I'd go off fifty yards and you know, take

843
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: all the horns are like yeah the dad, no kidding

844
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: and can carry you know, And then I get out

845
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: hundred yards and it would take a half second made

846
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: that flag up, and you know I got out three

847
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: or four yards and you know, depending on what the

848
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: wind was doing, they you know, they really didn't hear

849
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: me that well. And so you know, granted, deer can

850
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: hear better than humans, but not a whole lot better. Um.

851
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: And when you throw in windy conditions and crunchy leaves,

852
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes um, you know, I don't think they

853
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: hear as well as we as we think they do.

854
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: So you know, again, I think you have kind of

855
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: adjust your rattling to the conditions not only the terrain

856
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: and cover that you hunt, but you know, what's the

857
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: wind doing as the crunchy leaves, when the deer walk

858
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: through the woods, or they make the noise, etcetera. Definitely, definitely,

859
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: So speaking of you mentioned maybe leaves noise created by

860
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: wind and stuff kind of brings me to a to

861
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: a different topic that I kind of wanted segue here,

862
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: and that is different factors that can influence the timing

863
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: or intensity of the rut. And so as we've all heard,

864
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of debate around what impacts the timing

865
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: of the rut um and then you know, what might

866
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: change what we see of running activity. So Scott, we

867
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: actually talked about this a little bit, I think back

868
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: when we an interview for the Rules of the Rut podcast.

869
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: But I was hoping maybe you could give us again

870
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: your opinions on what you believe influences the timing of

871
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: the rut and then what are your thoughts on different

872
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: factors that maybe impact what we see. Maybe that's whether

873
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: um changes in pressure, um wind, et cetera. Could you

874
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: elaborate on those two points for us? Sure? Um, I've

875
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: officially resigned any title that puts me as an expert

876
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: in this category when it comes to rut timing. Okay, okay,

877
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: I refuse to wear that halt. Everything. Everything I read

878
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: from biology is that the basic timing of the rut

879
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: is pretty well carved in stone according to the region.

880
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: And and I have no reason to disbelieve that. Um.

881
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: You know, so you know it does the moon, you know,

882
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: kick the rut back two weeks as much as two

883
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: weeks in any given year. UM. I'm you know, I'm

884
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: not saying it couldn't, but I'm I'm skeptical. Um any

885
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: but anyway, UM, I'm What I do think you brought

886
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: up a much more important point in my mind is

887
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, what what parts of the rut do we see? Um?

888
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: And I think you know the primary factor is whether

889
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: um here in the north, I mean, Mark, you're familiar

890
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: with us, being from Michigan, and so are you Dan

891
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: hunting where you do? I mean, you get you get

892
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: a string of seventy degree days and you're not gonna

893
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care if it's November eighth or

894
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: tenth or whatever the peak breeding datas in your area.

895
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: You know what you see is not going to be

896
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: much probably. Um Now, I've I've seen days where buckstell

897
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: chase does and their tongues are hanging out and you know,

898
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: it just it's it feels like you're hunting in June.

899
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: But but that's been pretty rare in my experience. And

900
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and conversely, you know, we talked about this at the

901
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: beginning or podcast that you know, man, we've got a

902
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: cold front coming in. A cold front can do absolute wonders.

903
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it can just kick bucks into totally high gear.

904
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: So I think temperature is huge. Um, wind can put

905
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: deer down. But I've also seen you know, I seemed

906
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: windy days where it was just absolutely nuts and uh

907
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: and I can't explain it. I've got a friend to

908
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: no one that I'm very successful buck hunter, and he's

909
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: killed some of his absolute biggest deer on really windy days,

910
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: and he uses those days to sneak into really sensitive

911
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: areas like betting areas, and you know, he feels he

912
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: can get in there and have the you know, his

913
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: movement covered. And he says he feels like big Bucks

914
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: are more active on really windy days, and he feels

915
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: like they think they're thinking the same way he is

916
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: that you know, hey, I can I can be banging

917
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: around here in the woods and nobody can you know,

918
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: hear me? And um, and so anyway, that's that's something

919
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: to think about. Not saying it's true or untrue, but um, anyways,

920
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, the primary rule of the rut is, you know,

921
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: if you can hockey hunt, doesn't matter what, It doesn't

922
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: matter what's happening, rue very true something something on the

923
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: same topic we talked about last time. I think Scott

924
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: is um the moon not in relation to the timing

925
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: of the rut, but in how it might impact the

926
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: timing of when deer move throughout the day. And I

927
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: think correct me if I'm wrong, But I think you

928
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: said that you've kind of adopted this as a pet

929
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: project that you're kind of looking into a little bit more. Um.

930
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Is that? Am I right on that? And if so,

931
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about what you're

932
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: starting to discover about that? Yeah, you're correct, I am.

933
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm listening to what other guys are saying and and

934
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: starting to pay attention to it. Um. It's been my

935
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: experience that you know, it seems like if the moon

936
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: is visible in the in the daytime sky, that there's

937
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, there seems to be a slight up chicking

938
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: deer movement and um and sometimes dramatic um. And I'm

939
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: I've also read that you know, the moon is directly underfoot. Um,

940
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: that makes a difference as well. Um. And so yeah,

941
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: that's that is a pet project to mine. I think

942
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I think there's you know, uh, you know,

943
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: I know it's it's kind of kind of typical of

944
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: biologists to dismiss things like that. However, Um, you know,

945
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: I think I mean, if you're a fisher, then you know,

946
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's days out there where you go and

947
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: you can i mean you can catch fish no matter what,

948
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: they're just hitting their active and and you can go back,

949
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, a week later the same spot and what

950
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: you think are similar conditions and just nothing is happening.

951
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm always fascinated by that. What if something

952
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: is kicking both fish in the high gear that wasn't

953
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: there before. And I think we've all had those days

954
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: in the deer woods were like holy calm, Where were

955
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: all these deer last week that were running everywhere? And

956
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: something is something is making them move? Um, and I'm

957
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. I take the moon could could be a factor. Yeah,

958
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: I've been definitely equally curious about that, and I've been

959
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: listening to a lot more people and just trying to

960
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: take note of it more myself too. And like you said,

961
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting one to try to connect those dots.

962
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: And I've never noticed that until recently, until I started

963
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: doing this podcast with Mark that Okay, people keep kept

964
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: bringing up the mood and I thought it was just

965
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, hearsay or just happened to coincide.

966
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: But this year, when I've been out and and these

967
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: good moon days have fallen on the weekends during this

968
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: early season and that's when I hunt, and I've I've

969
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: from what I could tell, they have coincided with what

970
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: everybody said about the moon. So that's kind of interesting.

971
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: I think I think it's definitely something that somebody should

972
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: should take into consideration, but not you know, throw all

973
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: your cards on the table with it, right good. Yeah,

974
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean that's a great observation. And and

975
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Dan were you. So were you paying attention to you know,

976
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: a moon chart or what what was what was leading

977
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: you to that saying that, you know, hey, this is

978
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: this should be a good day for dear movement. Just yeah,

979
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I saw a moon chart that me and Mark had

980
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: talked about and I just noticed it. I said, okay,

981
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: well here's what this moon is supposed to do. And

982
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: sure enough, it was a clear morning and the moon

983
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: was you know, going down as the sun was coming up.

984
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: And I saw a ton of movement that day and

985
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: it just so happened. And I'm just like, maybe I

986
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: should start, you know, checking this out a little bit

987
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: more exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. I mean, if there's

988
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: there's some length there, as you know, it's worth it's

989
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: worth exploring. And definitely, you know, we as hunters want

990
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: to have every you know, any opportunity increase that's possible.

991
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: So so true, so true. Now let's talk sense a second. Um,

992
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: do you do you create any mock scrapes or use

993
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: any any urine or drag um drag lines when you

994
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: walk into your stand or let's say cover cent or

995
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: anything like that. Um, I do sold mocks scrapes? Yeah?

996
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I I will use any available you know, dear yurine

997
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: um that I have, or I will even use my own.

998
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't think it doesn't make any difference. I think

999
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: the bucks are I've been I'm I'm no scientists, but

1000
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I've heard that you know, the basic smell of urine

1001
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: breaks down fairly quickly, and then you know, P just

1002
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: smells like P. So um, anyway, I've I've had the bucks,

1003
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: hit box scrapes that I've pete and all. I mean,

1004
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: I've just got picture after picture after pictures, so you know,

1005
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: um that that doesn't bother me in the least. Um.

1006
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: I do do drag lines once in a while. I

1007
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: will hang out sent works once in a while. UM

1008
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I mean sense sense can work. Um,

1009
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: And it just depends on the degree to what you know.

1010
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: I think when you do things like that, you know,

1011
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: drag lines and sent wicks and etcetera. Um, you have

1012
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: to be careful and so you know, you you have

1013
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: to make sure your own sentives and mingling with that,

1014
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: and so it just depends on you know. I guess

1015
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: my my basic philosophy is if I feel like being

1016
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: really careful that day, I'll do it and there's some

1017
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: days and it's like, you know what, I just want

1018
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: to get my button a tree and just sit there

1019
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: and you know, watch deer and if I if I've

1020
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: got that mindset and like bestily, you just better sounds

1021
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: to us. Now on the other end, as far as

1022
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: us the hunter being as sent free as possible, are

1023
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: you using anything like an ozonics or scent lock or

1024
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: any um sent elimination products. That's a great question. Um,

1025
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: you know we do, uh, we do a cent test

1026
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: for field and stream every year. And the thing, um,

1027
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be told disclaimer, I was totally totally

1028
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: prepared for ozone to to fail during this test. On

1029
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: what we do is we use a drug sniffing dog

1030
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: that's trained to also track human beings and he's really

1031
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: really good. I mean he can. So we set up

1032
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: the sink called the box test. I don't know if

1033
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: you've seen the magazine or familiar with this test, but

1034
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: there's six different boxes, and you know, we we heat

1035
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: up each box with human scent and then we take

1036
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: every guy by putting a guy in there for a

1037
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, and then we take every guy out

1038
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: and we leave one guy in a box and then

1039
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: we set you know. Then the handler we you know,

1040
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: unleashes the dog and says, you know, go find the guy.

1041
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: And then we time how long it takes him takes

1042
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: the dog to find find the hunter. And in our

1043
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: experience we've done this for four or five years on

1044
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: we've tested pretty much everything. The two things that have

1045
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: performed the best, amazingly are a skunk scent was like

1046
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: number two, and then b was a hunter using asonics. Yes,

1047
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: not surprising to you or me. Both Scott, both Dan

1048
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: and I use ozonics for for quite all right, have

1049
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: you had good luck with him? Very ill? I know

1050
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: that it seems like whenever we bring up azonics it

1051
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: causes controversy. People inevitably, um have complaints about it, or

1052
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: say they don't think it works, or it's too much

1053
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: technology or different things. But regardless of any of that, UM,

1054
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: I just cannot bring myself to not go out there

1055
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: within those eyes after I've seen how it works. I mean,

1056
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: it's worked for me time and time again. I'm not

1057
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: seeing it works add percent of time, UM, but it

1058
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: absolutely helps I feel I feel naked without in the woods.

1059
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been to the woods once on

1060
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: purpose without it. So whatever that's worth very interesting. I

1061
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: mean if we were we were fascinated. I mean we

1062
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: as I said, we've done this test for four or

1063
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: five years now, and we've we've busted everything. I mean

1064
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: we've we've we've made a lot of uh, I don't

1065
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: know if enemies is the right word, but we've irritated

1066
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: some people within the industry because this dog is just

1067
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just you know, sail safe. I mean,

1068
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna get you. And it's just a quie.

1069
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean we we know no matter what you wear

1070
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: that this dog is gonna get you. I mean he

1071
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: can smell. He can smell a houts of cocaine wrapped

1072
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: and cell phone and stuck in a gas tank somewhere,

1073
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: So for crying out out, he's gonna smell a human being,

1074
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: you know. But um, but even his handler and I

1075
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: when it took this dog close to him minute I

1076
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: think it was fifty two or fifty seconds, and that

1077
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: was to find the guy. So we had my test

1078
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: guy had had showered, um, you know, he had his

1079
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: clothes just washing in a no scent detergent and then

1080
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: he just carried an osonics unit with him into this box,

1081
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: and it took the dog close to a minute to

1082
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: find him and in the handler and I I mean,

1083
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: we're we've kind of become just, you know, jaded skeptics.

1084
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he's like, dude, I've

1085
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. So I hope drug dealers

1086
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: don't find out about so anyway, that is in no way,

1087
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: shape or form of commercial for osontics. I've not I've

1088
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: never used one. I'm not connected to them whatsoever. But

1089
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: there's something going on there. And you know, equally fascinating, guys,

1090
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: was this is that my dad, Um was another one

1091
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: of my So the test before we had the osonics unit,

1092
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: we used my dad and he all he had was

1093
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: clothing that was I mean, it was not Washington anything

1094
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: except what I mean, it's probably been laying around since

1095
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: the last hunting season. And so what we did there

1096
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: was we just threw his clothes into a plastic tub

1097
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: and we uh, you know, there's these ozone units where

1098
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: you can kind of like run a little tube into

1099
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: the tub and then just flip the thing on for

1100
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: half an hour, um, And so we did that, and

1101
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, it took the dog. I think it was

1102
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: forty five seconds to find him, which was that was

1103
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: really impressive to me because there really had been no

1104
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, no sense showered, you know nothing, you know,

1105
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: no really big preventative measures. So there's something going on

1106
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: there with that ozone that really confuses confuses of the

1107
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: scent um, which is I think pretty remarkable. Yeah it's

1108
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: nuts man. So so then I guess moving on from that,

1109
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: we we always seem to do this, Me and Dan

1110
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: get on these talks about ozonics and we can't help.

1111
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: We can't help but talk about how well it works

1112
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: and the same thing. We're not and have a commercial

1113
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: here or anything. But it's just un it really does work.

1114
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: But I just I just love the science behind it. Yeah,

1115
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, any anytime, Like I talked to Mark earlier

1116
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: today about potentially having a biologist on this show, it's

1117
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: because I I want to know, not necessarily about the products,

1118
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: but I feel that if a hunter knows its prey

1119
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: better and not just like hey the rut is in November,

1120
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: but that this is how they smell, this is how

1121
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: they see, this is what causes this action, that we

1122
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: can use that information to get a better understanding and

1123
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: how to predict our moves compared to their moves exactly. Yeah, No,

1124
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I mean you can't. You can

1125
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: never know too much about about here. I mean I

1126
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess my my over writing theme, you

1127
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: know as a hunter is you know, the longer I

1128
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: do this, the less I feel like I know. I mean,

1129
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: heter do things that surprised me all the time. But

1130
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: that said, that doesn't mean I'm trying to figure them

1131
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: out seven right, So question then for you, Scott, this

1132
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: ties in a little bit towards this whole topic of scent,

1133
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: and that is de coin. I've done a little bit

1134
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: decoin and there's a whole lot of different ideas about

1135
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: what works what doesn't work when it comes to decoy

1136
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: and how to set up with the wind and making

1137
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: sure everything is sent free. But could you give us

1138
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on, you know, if you decoy at all,

1139
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: and if so, you know what's the correct decoin set

1140
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: up look like? Um? Sure, yeah, I have I have

1141
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: done some decoin. I've killed deer over decoys. Um It's

1142
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's one of the most exciting and dramatic

1143
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: ways to kill a deer in my opinion, and it's

1144
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: just something to see. UM. But that said, UM, because

1145
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: decoys are heavy and bulky, and I tend to hunt

1146
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: kind of remote areas and it's a pain to carry. UM,

1147
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't hunt them as much as I would like

1148
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: to or or probably should. UM. So with the qualifier,

1149
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I will say, from my experience, UM, you need an

1150
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: open area. UM. I think you know, deer rely on

1151
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways to maintain contact with each other.

1152
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, they smell each other, they hear each other,

1153
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: they see each other. And I one of the one

1154
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: of my early years of declining, I had a nice

1155
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: buck coming through a um through an apple orchard that

1156
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: was on the edge of a a ravine and a

1157
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: good another words, a really good creek bottom funnel and uh,

1158
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: and I my stand tree that I had picked was

1159
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: not I couldn't. I couldn't shoot what I felt were

1160
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: the best trail that was just a little bit too far.

1161
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: And so I thought, well, I've I've got this figured out.

1162
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I'll you know, I'll put a declay out when that

1163
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: if that buck should come down that kind of main trail, Um,

1164
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: you'll see the declay and come over. And so anyway, uh,

1165
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: by golly, the deer came and sure enough he was

1166
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: using the main trail, and I was just licking my chap,

1167
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: thinking this is as good as done. And he he

1168
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: got and I kept thinking, well, you know, he's gonna

1169
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not now, he's going to see the decloy. And

1170
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: he was giving no indication whatsoever he was seeing the decloy.

1171
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden he was getting, you know,

1172
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: just on the fringes of bow range, and and and

1173
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: turning away. You know, the trail was going to take

1174
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: him away from me. And he just then he saw

1175
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: the decloy and he absolutely freaked out. It was not

1176
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: the size of it. I think it just totally surprised

1177
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: him that there was a gear there that he had

1178
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: not seen or heard or smelled. Um So in my

1179
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: opinion and my experience, and you know, one experience does

1180
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: not a theory make. But um I've read this from

1181
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: other guys and talked to other guys that you know,

1182
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: in in wooded environments. Um, make sure you've got you're

1183
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: an open timber. Um that was relatively stick carry where

1184
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: I declayed that buck in and he did not like

1185
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: it one bit, I mean, and it didn't it didn't

1186
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: three out so that he ran out of there, but

1187
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: he just I mean he jumped up, ran off a

1188
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: little ways, and he stood and stared at the thing

1189
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: like you know, where in the heck did you come from?

1190
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: And and that was it, I mean he was he

1191
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: just ambled off and like, you know, he didn't want

1192
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: to be near a dear that the pride um. And conversely,

1193
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: the deer that I have killed, uh with decoys have

1194
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: been you know, they've had a long time to look

1195
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: at it, um, and they've you know, you can kind

1196
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: of see the tumblers clicking in their mind, like what

1197
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: is you know, what is that deer over there? Do

1198
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: I know him? And and of course the decoy is

1199
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: just sitting there staring at him and uh, And I

1200
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: think it takes a buck kind of in the right mood,

1201
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: um and in the right spot in the pecking order

1202
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I don't like the way that

1203
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: dude is looking at me right now. And you know

1204
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: I killed one in Wisconsin here a few years back

1205
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: that came, you know, two yards across the soybean field.

1206
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: And you know when I shot him, he was ready

1207
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: to clean this deer's clock. And it was just you know,

1208
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: he was a fighter. He was a fighting deer. We

1209
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: knew that about him. He was you know, parts of

1210
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: his rack were busted off, and he just was an ornery,

1211
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: ornery guy. And when he saw it a buck, he

1212
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't know, he was ready to come, come get it.

1213
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: So um, So yeah, I mean, decloying is incredibly effective.

1214
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: It's a really really exciting but it's like every other technique.

1215
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to kind of be smart about it. Well,

1216
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: you decoy it any time of the rut, an you know,

1217
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: any time or these next two three or four weeks

1218
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: or is there a certain subsection of that timing that

1219
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: you're really gonna possibly bring it out? If at all? Oh,

1220
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, every In my opinion, everything is better in

1221
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: the rut ear you know, in the first stages of

1222
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: the rut, and then as it as we kind of

1223
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: get into the thick of it. It's such a it's

1224
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: such a crap shoot. I mean, it's so much depends

1225
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: on you know, what the deer has done and you

1226
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: know where he isn't the packing order of who he's

1227
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: been fighting with, how many goes he's had he tired

1228
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: it out? So yeah, I mean I would say that,

1229
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, this Halloween time frame first week in November

1230
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: is awesome time for for decoying. You know, Um, it's

1231
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: early in the rut. Uh. You know, they're highly curious

1232
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: about each other, very you know, bucks are acting very aggressive. Um,

1233
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: you know it's uh. In my opinion, that would be

1234
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: that would be the best time. Okay, good to know

1235
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: when I when I head down to Indiana, I'm deaf

1236
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: going to be bringing my decoy down there. From from

1237
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, there's definitely number of bucks that would

1238
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: be interested in starting a tussle, some hoping to maybe

1239
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: make it work down there. And then definitely after Indiana,

1240
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: I'll be heading on to my property in southern Ohio.

1241
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: And that's a spot where I just I used it.

1242
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: I tried once or twice last year on this property

1243
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: with it and never ended up seeing a buck when

1244
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I head out there. But I saw so many deer

1245
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: last year that were busted up. I mean, so many

1246
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: bucks that were missing times missing half irack. It just

1247
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: seems like there's an inordinate amount of bucks just just

1248
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: bruising each other up. So I'm excited to bring one

1249
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: out there and uh and see what happens. That's sound

1250
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: like a perfect scenario. Now, you guys, when you use

1251
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: a decoy, do you your settler that do you you know?

1252
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: Do you rattle or call? What you know? What's your

1253
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: basic approach? Yeah? So for me, and again I'm not

1254
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: an expert on on decoy, I just started using decoys

1255
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: last year actually because in Michigan, I've I've always thought

1256
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: of its really taboo around here because just so super

1257
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: high pressure and such a low number of mature deer

1258
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: that I've stayed away from it. But in the other

1259
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: spots like Iowa, Ohio, where I'm hunting now, UM decide

1260
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: I should start giving a shot. And so from what

1261
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: I've picked up from other people that are, you know,

1262
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: much more experienced and smarter than me. Um, what I've

1263
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: been doing is is setting it up, um with actually

1264
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: one antler out of the decoy, So just a one

1265
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: antler buck. And I heard this from a guy named

1266
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: John Dudley, who it just seems to see that he

1267
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: said that it just seemed to be that it was

1268
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: enough of an antagonizer for a buck that really wanted

1269
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: to come in for a fight, he'd be coming at it.

1270
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: But if it was a buck that was kind of

1271
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: on the fence. A one antler buck wouldn't be necessarily intimidating,

1272
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: so he'd still come in. So it's an interesting tip

1273
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: I picked up and I've tried that. Um. I'm not

1274
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: using any scent other than just making sure it's completely

1275
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: scent free. And I've been making sure that that wind

1276
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: is blowing towards me from the decoy to me so

1277
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: that when that deer, hopefully bucks in come in and

1278
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: try to get down wind, you know, circle down wind

1279
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: of that decoy. Um, that's when hopefully I'll be able

1280
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: to get a shot, is he's circling in and face

1281
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: towards that buck. Um, that's the hope is that he

1282
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: won't be able to catch my wind because he's just

1283
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: trying to get down into the decoy. So I'm definitely

1284
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: doing a little bit of calling and rattling too. So,

1285
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: like I said, I haven't had a lot of experience

1286
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: with it, but hoping to have some good stories in

1287
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: a in a week or two. Yeah, I pretty much

1288
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I dress up as a buck and run through the

1289
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: timber with my DRUP call and just go crazy and

1290
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: it works in Iowa. Now, I I don't I don't

1291
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: use a decoy. I very rarely hunt field edges, so

1292
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: I just have never felt the need to have one.

1293
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: And the only time that I did ever, I think

1294
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: one season I used the decoy and it spooked more

1295
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: deer than it actually brought in, So I just kind

1296
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: of never picked it up again. I gotta believe, though, Dan,

1297
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: knowing where you hunt of anywhere, of anywhere, really your

1298
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: area probably could work better than most. I'd be interested

1299
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: to see what kind of uh deer you could pull

1300
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: ind if you gave it more chances. But I can

1301
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: understand why you don't want to use it too. So

1302
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: so Scott, I kind of want to work towards closing

1303
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: things up here because we've been using up a lot

1304
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: of your time here, and I appreciate that, especially during

1305
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: the hunting season. Everything I know, Um, you're you're probably

1306
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: sacrifices some hunting time to be with us here today.

1307
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: So you know what, it's domny degrees today and the

1308
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: moon is in the wrong spot, so I'm not gonna

1309
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: see anything anyone else, all right, then then we'll talk

1310
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: to you for another hour, all right. Um. So, so

1311
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: last time we talked, Scott, um, I had asked you

1312
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: what you thought. You know, some of the most important

1313
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: things were when it comes to hunting the rut, and

1314
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: you had mentioned something that might be different than you know,

1315
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: what we usually read about in the magazines or see

1316
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: on TV, and that was patients. Can you talk to

1317
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: us a little bit about why you think patience or

1318
01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: perseverance or mental toughness is so important during the run. Yeah. Well,

1319
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: I've learned this the hard way, and I think if

1320
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I was a better deer hunter, I wouldn't have to

1321
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: be so patient, you know, I just go out there

1322
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: and kill them like you guys do. Unfortunately it's not

1323
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: the case. But you know, I mean, how many times

1324
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: have you experienced this? You know, you you get out there,

1325
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 1: you're in a spot. You know it's a killer spot.

1326
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: The sign is everywhere. You know, the bucks are there,

1327
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: and you know you sit there, and you sit there

1328
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: and you sit there and nothing's happening, and I don't care.

1329
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I guess there are guys

1330
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: that maybe their brains are wider different than me, But

1331
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean I get discouraged, like what am I doing wrong?

1332
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm second guessing this. You know, maybe this buck isn't

1333
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: around here. The you know, the bucks aren't around here,

1334
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: and it's you know, Bikelly November three. They're supposed to

1335
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: be running nuts. What's wrong with you here? And you

1336
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: know it can get frustrating. Um. And so you know,

1337
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: my I guess the feeling that I've adopted over the

1338
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: last few years is, you know, I'm just gonna I'm

1339
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: gonna hunt my plan the best that I can. I'm

1340
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna operate on the information that I you know that

1341
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: I have, and but I think this is right. And

1342
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: then you know the deer, But the deer gotta do

1343
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: their part. They gotta show up. And you know they

1344
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: don't always uh, they don't always do what we think

1345
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. Um. And you know that that just

1346
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: seems to get played out time and time again. I mean,

1347
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: you can you can have a buck, you know, you

1348
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: can have this core area nailed down pretty good. You

1349
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: can know you know where he likes to rub and

1350
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: scrape and feed and chase those and he you know,

1351
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: he's still moving like a ping pong ball through there,

1352
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: and you know he's gonna zig when use egg and

1353
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: so you're just gonna have to kind of grit your

1354
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: teeth and understand that, you know, especially if you're selective

1355
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: about about the buck you want to shoot at all.

1356
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: And you know dan Is, you know, he's a better

1357
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: man than I. He'll go on a one buck mission

1358
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: and you know, pass up, you know, pass up booners

1359
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: waiting for and I'm not that guy. Tell you what,

1360
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: why don't you come home with me and we'll see

1361
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: how many booners I got runner around. Well, if that's

1362
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: an invitation, I'll be down there. But no, um so,

1363
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: and that you know that that happens. I think that

1364
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: mindset is important, not only on a daily basis, but

1365
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: also to recognize that the rut is a there's a

1366
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: long process um and you know we talked earlier about

1367
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, time frames of the hunt of the rut

1368
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: and you know, and what to do at different phases.

1369
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: And you know it's crazy, you know, we we go

1370
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: out there. If you guys are anything like me, you

1371
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: know you'll be going out going out there this next

1372
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: week and next two weeks. And we're jazzed up, we're

1373
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: ready to go, and we wanted to happen. And all

1374
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's November tenth and we still haven't

1375
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: tagged anything. And you know, it's easy to get discouraged,

1376
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: and not only that but physically tired. And we've still

1377
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: got you know, ten fifteen days are really good hunting

1378
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: ahead of us. Um. So yeah, patients, it's important to

1379
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: pace yourself. It's important to take care of yourself and

1380
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, get a lot of sleep and eat the

1381
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: right food because sometimes you just got to grind it out.

1382
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all had those years where you go

1383
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: out there and they just run under you and you

1384
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: tag one and you're done and you know, away you go.

1385
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: But by that I'm learning I'm an old dog now,

1386
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm I'm ancient compared to you guys. Most of things

1387
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: don't happen to me much anymore. Yeah, I think it's

1388
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at two with all this. It's especially

1389
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: if you're doing you know what me or Dan or

1390
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably you were doing to Scott, you know, like

1391
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow, it's October tomorrow, I'm gonna be hunting every

1392
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: single day from October through November, and starting on November one,

1393
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: I'll be hunting all day, So twelve or thirteen hours

1394
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: in the stand from the first through at least the

1395
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: fifteen and like you said that's a absolute physical grind,

1396
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: and it's a mental grind too, And it's for me

1397
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: hunting the rut. I mean, other than there's only so

1398
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: many things you can do during the rut to put

1399
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: yourself in the position to succeed, and if you can

1400
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: handle the basics from there, it's it's a mental game.

1401
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just can you grit it out?

1402
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: Can you can you stick with your plan? Can you

1403
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: handle the ups and downs and the frustration and the

1404
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: long hours of monotony and nothing happening? And you know,

1405
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: when when things don't go as you as planned, you

1406
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: you botch a shot, or you get winded or whatever

1407
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: it is, things are gonna go wrong. Um, it's the

1408
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: question is you know, can you get back up from it?

1409
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: And can you keep on grinding? And you can you

1410
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: keep on pushing? And I think if you can, if

1411
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: you can kind of weather that storm and push through

1412
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: that marathon, eventually, in most cases you're gonna hopefully have

1413
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: a chance. And for me, that's what that's what the

1414
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: rut comes down to. I just look at it as

1415
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: a grind and I prepare myself that it's gonna be

1416
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough, it's gonna be a challenge, but

1417
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some really really awesome lifelong memories interspersed,

1418
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: and uh, it's something I get excited about and I'm

1419
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: just ready tomorrow it's gonna start, and I'm just gonna

1420
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: it's it's slightly foreboding and kind of scary at the

1421
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: same time because I know I'm gonna go through a

1422
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: lot of early mornings and long days, but it's it's

1423
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: exciting too. So that's an awesome attitude to have. And

1424
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's a harder. I think it's an overlooked

1425
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: and underappreciated attitude. And uh, you know, well, I'm gonna

1426
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: a I need to preface first. Some of my very

1427
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: best friends do outdoor TV. Okay, this is not a

1428
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: slamp against outdoor TV, but I think, you know it's

1429
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're like me, you watch those hunting

1430
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: shows and it's like, oh my gosh. You know, these

1431
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: guys they tell you what they're setup is gonna be.

1432
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: And we've kind of got this buck down here, and

1433
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, we've been hanging for him,

1434
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: and and sure enough, you know, within twenty minutes of

1435
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: TV time the bucks shows up and they kill him.

1436
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: And it's so easy to kind of get that, get

1437
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: that kind of mentality in your head that you know, well,

1438
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: I've got a good setup, he's got to show up.

1439
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: And but you know, if you look at your own memory,

1440
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: it works exactly the same way as outdoor TV. We

1441
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: delete out all the we delete out the millions of

1442
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: hours that we sit out there and don't see a

1443
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: dog on thing. And when you you know, Mark or Dan,

1444
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: when I say you know, what's your best Rutton memory, Man,

1445
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: you don't sift through, you know, twenty five days of

1446
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: seeing nothing. You can tell me about the day that

1447
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: five bucks came blowing under your stand, you know, chasing

1448
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: a doll um. So anyways, that's that's human nature too,

1449
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, not the weak, the you know, or to

1450
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: delete the low points and not forget you know how

1451
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: much hard work it can be, but boy, it's it's

1452
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: rewarding when it finally happens. And I and I think

1453
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: the guys that are most consistently successful are just and gals,

1454
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, are the ones that just they're just gonna

1455
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: grind a ault, They're just gonna keep hunting no matter what. Yeah,

1456
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: I think. I think if there's anything I would want

1457
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: that I would want our listeners to take away from today,

1458
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: it's that right there. It's you know, take as many

1459
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: of these tactics into the woods as you can, try

1460
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: these different things and hunt the pinch points or hunt

1461
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: the funnels or whatever it might be, and try the

1462
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: sense and the grunt calls and the rattling and everything.

1463
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: But if all else fails, if you can put your

1464
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: time in and push through the low points and the

1465
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: high points and everything in between, you can you can

1466
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: have some success this run. So I love it, Scott.

1467
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: This has been awesome and we are we're well over

1468
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: time here, longer than we usually go. But Dan, do

1469
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: you have any one final question for Scott before we

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Speaker 1: wrap things up here? So today we've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about what to do and you know, got some of

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Speaker 1: your opinions on that. Is there anything that a hunter

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01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: or the listener of this podcast should not do or

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 1: anything that you feel is a is a game ruiner

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: when you're out there? Um, well, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people and I'm guilty of this.

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Speaker 1: When I was younger, was thinking, you know, we equate

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Speaker 1: the rut with chaos and that you know, bucks are

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: going to be doing stupid things and they're gonna be,

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, acting abnormally and we can get away with

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: us and we can get away with that. And I

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Speaker 1: all I can say, based on my personal experiences, don't

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01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: count on it. They're still dear. And the bigger the box,

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: the more mature Bucky hunting you're hunting. He doesn't forget

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: that his number one job on Earth is just simply

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Speaker 1: to survive. Um, He's he never has that off his mind,

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Speaker 1: except for those thirty milliseconds when he's got a hot

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: doll in his sights and before he's got her pinned

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Speaker 1: down and has no competition for and then he goes

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01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: right back into that. I think. So yeah, I mean,

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: you've got to play the wins you've you know, don't

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: don't think you can get by with a bad wind

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01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: on a stand spot. Um just because bucks are acting crazy,

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: they don't act that crazy, you know. In other words,

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: don't don't rely on luck, you know, keep hunting your plan.

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: You know, hunt smart and and hunt you know, hunt

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: patient and careful and and it will happen. Yeah. Awesome advice, Well, Scott,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, this has been an incredible conversation and

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: really really appreciate you joining us, so so thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, and good luck this coming, this coming a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Oh you guys too, And I'm really

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: honored to be able to have the chance to speak

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Speaker 1: with you guys. And I don't know, just just talking

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: to YouTube gets me fired up and I'm ready to go.

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: So let's start. Let's hit the woods and start selling

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01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: pictures to each other. That's right, that sounds like a

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: good plan. All right, well, we will talk to you soon, Scott,

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: and thanks again. That's lucky, guys, Thanks so much for

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: having me. All right, good bye. Al Right, Well, if

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Speaker 1: you're like me at all, I'm sure you took a

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Speaker 1: lot away from that discussion that you'll be able to

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Speaker 1: apply to your future hunts over the coming weeks during

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Speaker 1: joining us here today. The white Tail super Bowl is

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Speaker 1: just ahead, the rut is here, and things are about

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: to get crazy. I hope you get some serious time

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Speaker 1: in the tree stand ahead of you, So get out

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Speaker 1: there and enjoy good luck, my friends, and stay wired

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Speaker 1: to hunt.