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Speaker 1: First off, bro, Man, we appreciate you coming on the

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Speaker 1: show with us. Remember them days in Portland Man using

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Man enforcing kicking eye ass and Portland Man

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Speaker 1: man z bos talking about your ass all the time.

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Speaker 1: But man, we appreciate you coming on show rocking with us.

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Speaker 1: Bro Yeah, sure, happy shore Man. Thank y'all for having

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Speaker 1: you first got to the league. Who was the first

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Speaker 1: person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it depends, man, if we're talking about practice or

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Speaker 3: a game, because I, I mean, I had a couple

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Speaker 3: of experiences. Cause when I came in the league, I

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Speaker 3: was in the I came to the oldest team in

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Speaker 3: the NBA, so everybody was in the early thirties, mid thirties,

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Speaker 3: late season grown ass dude. So I probably probably was

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Speaker 3: match like we was playing pick up before. Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: played like three days, three or four days, and I

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Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to guard him because you know,

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Speaker 3: we didn't switch, Like it was no switching Like George

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Speaker 3: Lynch and Stacey Augman when we played pick up, they

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Speaker 3: guarded mass straight up.

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Speaker 2: That was it. There was no switching, none of that.

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Speaker 3: So we playing and the following week, like I hadn't

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Speaker 3: guarded them all week. The following week, the matchups got funky.

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Speaker 3: So remember me, Track and Bigcat mcglure ended up on

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Speaker 3: the same team. So it's like, all right, Brook, you

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Speaker 3: gotta guard mad. So the first I just I never

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Speaker 3: forget man. The first possession he called it, he hit

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Speaker 3: a three, and I'm looking at him, like, bro, you've

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Speaker 2: He shot a three. Damn he hit a three.

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Speaker 3: Next time he got it, hit another three, and he

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Speaker 3: looked at me and he's like like, this is what

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Speaker 3: you wanted, wasn't it. Like I'm like, I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 3: Like you're like, nah, you wanted it. So I mean,

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Speaker 3: he had like fifteen of the twenty one we played.

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Speaker 3: The twenty one. He had like fifteen of them, and

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Speaker 3: I remember saying like this dude. I was like this

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Speaker 3: dude was really tough, like shot making touch. But the

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Speaker 3: crazy thing about it was like two days later, we

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Speaker 3: coming to gym and they like, yo, we gotta tell

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Speaker 3: the team something. They're like, mask it on one leg.

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Speaker 3: He gotta have surgery. He gonna miss the first one.

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Speaker 2: You busiting something one leg. I'm like, damn. That's when

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Speaker 2: it hit me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, these guys are rich, Like these dudes

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Speaker 3: are next level, Like there's another level.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go, yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 4: We live on location, Me and the blackest one in Orlando,

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Speaker 4: chilling at home. But this time we got a fifteen

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Speaker 4: year pro, We got a couple year all start, we

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Speaker 4: got a two time champ.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: You got them coming out of North Kagilaki right now,

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Speaker 4: we got David West in the building.

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Speaker 2: Man, we appreciate you pulling up, big dog, sir, sir,

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Speaker 2: appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 1: You born in New Jersey, but then you moved to

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. Yeah, when did the ball start getting in

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Speaker 1: your hands? And who put the ball in your hands?

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Speaker 2: Right? So?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was born in t Neeck, New Jersey. So

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Speaker 3: I was raised right outside of New York City, and

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Speaker 3: you know, we hooped. So my brother was a few

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Speaker 3: the time watching his games when I was like six,

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Speaker 3: like I really didn't have no other options, Like I

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Speaker 2: I'm not just being honest. It was all basketball for me.

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Speaker 3: So my grandparents got older, and mother and father, you know,

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Speaker 2: When everything changed. Yeah, everything changed from your heart.

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Speaker 5: You transferred to hard Grade after your senior year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, you did it basically a prep Yeah

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Speaker 3: I flunked out, flunked out of Garner, didn't graduate from Garner,

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Speaker 3: best thing for me was to go to Hardgrave when

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I was about that was how did it

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Speaker 4: Did they like, you know what I'm saying, like they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just because of it. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't a bad kid. I just you know, I

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Speaker 3: qualifying for the SAT and all that stuff was gonna

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Speaker 2: So it was either Juco or prep school.

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Speaker 3: And you know, just I was still under the radar,

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Speaker 2: Need you know, that foot down and like this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, Hargrave did it man, like waking

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Speaker 3: somebody else's schedule. And you know, I went in ninety nine, Bro,

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Speaker 3: they held us to a crazy standard.

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Speaker 2: It's not like that anymore. But when I went there

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Speaker 4: You was in between, like because we was in My

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Speaker 4: class was ninety eight. Yeah, Coon went. That's the only

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Speaker 4: in between both of them.

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Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, I went with Josh. Me and John's on

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Speaker 3: I went to hard Grade the year after Corleone was there,

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Speaker 3: and the dude Corleon got into it with a guy

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Speaker 2: Crazy man. He was dude was supposed to be going

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Speaker 3: He got into it with Corleon, got in some trouble,

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Speaker 3: lost his scholarship, and then I went to Hardgrade that

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Speaker 5: So what did you learn from from that school?

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Speaker 1: Did you take like the discipline, the work ethic, and

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Speaker 1: just keep it going throughout your career, because like you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that came later, you know what I'm

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Speaker 3: saying that, Like I said, that was Hargrave. Hargrave was

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Speaker 3: The discipline, the basketball consistency, you know, not being able

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Speaker 2: Just enough because you know I can't.

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Speaker 3: I went in there, I was these other guys had scholarships,

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Speaker 3: Like dudes had you know, scholarship offers, had already committed.

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Speaker 3: They was coming there to get their tests. They was

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Speaker 3: So I got put into this serious basketball sport environment

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Speaker 3: like I didn't. I traveled nationally one time, you know

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Speaker 5: Guys going to Nike camp and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had never I didn't go through any of that.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't go home.

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Speaker 3: We wanted and played almost forty something games and you know,

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Speaker 3: So but it helped, you know, it came out of

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Speaker 3: I came out of there ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Man. Like I went into college.

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Speaker 3: College actually was that first year was a breeze because

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Speaker 3: I was already had already been through like a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit, been away from home on your trying to be

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Speaker 2: You dealt with that a year early.

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Speaker 5: Could have could have been anybody else outside of Xavier.

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Speaker 5: They tried to give you a chance or just only

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Speaker 5: school that gave you one man.

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Speaker 3: So recruiting wise, like I just I don't know, for

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Speaker 3: whatever reason, people didn't see it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And I so that I talked it up to man

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Speaker 3: and uh, the way I got recruited was Xavery. Was

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Speaker 3: we were playing at this event. This was my first

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Speaker 3: time playing at a real national event called Charlie Weber.

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Speaker 3: That's when they had that live period in like the

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Speaker 3: fall in like September. So me and Josh actually Josh,

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Speaker 2: But we went played.

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Speaker 3: It was at the University of Maryland and I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no question, but you know that's it's just

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Speaker 2: And so that's what I did. Man, I went there.

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Speaker 3: I was like I already learned my lesson at Millielitary School,

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Speaker 3: You you set this course, so everything else comes secondary

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, you know, like how did that go

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Speaker 4: So it was just it was just.

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Speaker 3: Like trusting myself knowing like I wasn't ready and I'm

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Speaker 3: Oh, and they were saying, you know, you be first round,

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Speaker 3: But like wherever you're gonna go, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: How did you feel when, like, you know, you started

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Speaker 3: Wake Forest, but coach Mater came in and Coach was like, listen,

437
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 3: if we win basketball games, you're gonna get what you want.

438
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,919
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get what I want. And it was just

439
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 3: one of the most clear cut sort of relational things.

440
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 4: Why do y'all, why do y'all just like just because

441
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 4: we gonna find out at some point anyway, you're gonna

442
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,880
Speaker 4: get discovered, then it's gonna be bullshit.

443
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 2: Like right right, right, right exactly. But he just made

444
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 2: it real clear.

445
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: So that just when you have coaches that do that,

446
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 3: it makes your ability to play, go out there and

447
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 3: be productive, you know, that much easier. So I was

448
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,159
Speaker 3: fortunate in that way, you know what I'm saying. And

449
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 3: I never let you know, people doubting me, and because

450
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 3: it was crazy because when I was not getting recruited

451
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 3: and it was kind of like, well, where is this

452
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: guy gonna and he's not good enough for the acc

453
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 3: or the sec of none of the big schools or whatever.

454
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 3: The four years later, you know, all those coaches that

455
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: were saying I wasn't good enough for like, well damn,

456
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we didn't have the foresight, you know,

457
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: And it was and that was humbling too. That was

458
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: a humbling experience, not saying I told you so, but

459
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 3: getting that, you know, that personal vindication, like yo, you know,

460
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 3: you believed when nobody else believed, took a chance going

461
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 3: to you know, because like I said, I didn't even

462
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: know what Zavier was.

463
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard of the conference.

464
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: It was in Atlantic ten and but there were a

465
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 3: lot of big time players and guys that could hoop

466
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: that went into that conference and played in that conference,

467
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 3: and Temple was in that conference. So it was always

468
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, tough teams and tough players, and had like

469
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: three Philly teams in there, so always dealt with a

470
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: different type of type of athletes. So you know, it

471
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 3: was one of them situations. Like I said, man, just

472
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 3: I always got lucky. You know, things always fell right

473
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: for me with the right coaches and the right teammates,

474
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: right energy, and I just always really as I got older, man,

475
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 3: I just I leaned on that, like, yo, it should

476
00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: be working out for you.

477
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: So just trusting.

478
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 5: How proud are you of in them four years?

479
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: You know how the program was when you got there,

480
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: but what you build up too by your senior year,

481
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: Cause like ya was one of the teams that could

482
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: win the whole thing. You know what I'm saying, guys

483
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 1: was looking out for but y'all building it up to

484
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: that point where y'all a team that people couldn't look over.

485
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: So how proud are you of that that y'all built

486
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: within them four years that you was there.

487
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now the legacy, you know, like I'm proud of

488
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: the work. You know that I did in Xavier, and

489
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, my career is Xavier. It's one of the

490
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 3: more proud of accomplishments for me specifically, Like I said, man,

491
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: I was a guy that struggled in school, but then

492
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 3: it was like military school, getting in the right environment,

493
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 3: small classrooms, Like just the personal development I was able

494
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 3: to undergo at that school really changed the direction for me.

495
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 2: So it was one of them things, man, like when

496
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: you look back.

497
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: On it, like the locker room now, the amenities that

498
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: the university has, obviously the program being in the Big

499
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: East now writes a testament to the level of basketball

500
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: that the school can produce. And again I don't have

501
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: to really say a whole lot, like the names all

502
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 3: over the record books and got my jersey retired there, man,

503
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: So something that my family can can be proud of

504
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: even long after I'm gone.

505
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 5: You said, jersey retirement.

506
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: How did that feel to see your jersey and the

507
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: rafters at a school like Exavier, To get the opportunity

508
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: for your family to get an opportunity to see that's

509
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: your jersey, your last name is getting.

510
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 5: Put up in the rafters, Like, how was that for you?

511
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 2: It's something that you can't really measure it's there forever.

512
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: But probably the most unique thing about that was, see,

513
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: I got my jersey retired before I finished playing, Like

514
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: that's dudes came in the arena, bro and my jersey

515
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: up there while I'm out there on the floor. So

516
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: that was like they wanted to do that before I Yeah,

517
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: bro and respect for yeah. So I mean, like I said,

518
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: it was a huge chapter of my life, you know,

519
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: and it helped me develop and become who I am

520
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: for real.

521
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: This is why I love doing these pods, like cause

522
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: from the David West that I know, I would never

523
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 4: imagine or think that you're telling me that you was

524
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: just knucklehead.

525
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: You you had you yelling out of.

526
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: School and you had to do all these things like

527
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, like like it's a true testament and

528
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: like some of these young kids to get the Washingtons

529
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 4: get to learn, like yo, we all make mistakes, right,

530
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 4: it's what you're gonna do after those mistakes and how

531
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: you gonna try and recover from them, Like it don't

532
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: gotta be over Like you a dude that literally flunked

533
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 4: out of high school, you know what I'm saying. And

534
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: like the David West that I and I don't. I don't,

535
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: you know, we don't know each other like that, but

536
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: the but the person that you represented and the way

537
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 4: you presented yourself throughout your career. When I saw you,

538
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: I would never have thought that you was like out

539
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: of school and it was like tripping and doing all

540
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: this wild shit. Like I'm like I always like like

541
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: you heard d s like you was like a leader

542
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: and you like hell no, like like this is out

543
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: why you presented though, like when you saw when we

544
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 4: saw you, you presented yourself that way. So like you

545
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like you a walking example for

546
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 4: these young dudes out here. So what if you stumble

547
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: out the block so you do something to make a mistake, Like, bro,

548
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: that don't gotta define you.

549
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: That don't gotta be the end of it.

550
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: Like this dude here like literally not even like a

551
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: long time later, four years later, you getting your jersey

552
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: retired while you still let school after you flunked out

553
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 4: of high school, Like you know what I'm saying. So

554
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 4: like it's all about what you do and how you

555
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 4: come out of it like that right there, like for real,

556
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here just listening. I'm like this crazy just

557
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 4: dopeest here. I never would have thought that about you,

558
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: Like they're serious. So salute to you for that, bro,

559
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 4: because I never would have imagined that you were somebody

560
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: that was tripping like that, Like.

561
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: You didn't like that. We all been in high school,

562
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, we all been around on people like that.

563
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I could spot them like you

564
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: you snug under the.

565
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Rate out of me, like right now, Like I said,

566
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: it's just you know, you gotta figure it out. You know.

567
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: I just didn't take things serious, like you know what

568
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: they tell you, Manyo, ninth grade and tenth grade, I

569
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: just didn't. I just didn't believe them. And then all

570
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: of a sudden, they're like, yo, you.

571
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: Ain't You ain't got the grades. You don't got nothing,

572
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: you know.

573
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like really, they like, you ain't got nothing,

574
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: So you know, you just have to you gotta deal

575
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: with the consequences, right. So it was like, Yo, you

576
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: can't graduate high school, all right, Well what's my next option? Well,

577
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: we gotta go go to military school. You'll be able

578
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: to get your high school diploma from hard grade military

579
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: and rest is history.

580
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: Bro.

581
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I tell my kids, tell other kids when

582
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: life started life and it's gonna show who.

583
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 5: Life started life, and daddy or Mama can't take her.

584
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: It don't show you what it is life gonna start

585
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: life and.

586
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 5: Life this is I ain't in no books or nothing

587
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 5: like that. You're gonna have to figure it out, figure

588
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: it out right, right.

589
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: So you didn't decide to go in the draft early,

590
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: you waited to You don't have no choice but to go.

591
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: How many workouts you did doing your draft process?

592
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: Man, he's eighteen to twenty two of them.

593
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: I'm a month rights right here doing the same thing, like.

594
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: Everything, bro.

595
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because there was so many questions, like and I

596
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: don't know what again, Like I remember Mel.

597
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: Daniels Rest in Peace.

598
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: Big Meil was with the Pacers, right, So he comes

599
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: to a game and he like walks up on me,

600
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: and like mel mel Daniels was a big dude. I'm like, y,

601
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: like you, yeah exactly, And I'm like he's like, yo,

602
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: you ain't no six six?

603
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: I said, who the hell told you? I was six six?

604
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of stuff out there

605
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: about me, about my size and he ain't tall enough

606
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: to do this and do that. So it was a

607
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: lot of those questions. So I wasn't thinking about the

608
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: draft through my senior year. And then they were like, okay,

609
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: I told my agent or I told everybody who was

610
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: interviewing me to be, you know, to be my agent.

611
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, just shoot me straight, tell me the truth.

612
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: I want you to talk to these gms, talk to

613
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: all the people, give me an idea of where they

614
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna go. So everybody's okay, middle of the

615
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: first round. So I'm like, okay, I probably should be,

616
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, top eight, and that's what I'm saying myself,

617
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: like I feel like I'm a top ten pick. But

618
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it like, like I.

619
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: Said, Yo, whatever happens to me is supposed to happen.

620
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.

621
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: That's kind of been the path of my life. So

622
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: I've never wont something. Somebody starts saying something or things

623
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: start shaving up a certain way, I accept it, and

624
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: then I just figured out how we're gonna go from there.

625
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: So once they start telling me like where you're gonna go,

626
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, I work out for all those

627
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: teams in his ragns Now. The crazy part was, and like,

628
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all went through this, but because

629
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: I told everybody to be honest with me, Like these

630
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: dudes were talking crazy to a degree, like when.

631
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: You get in that then GMS and then presidents like

632
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: they talking crazy.

633
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: So you're like, all right, not to the blessed one

634
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: right here, This was the blessed one. You gotta remember

635
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: when he came out, nobody had come out of high

636
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: school and went higher than him at this point, blessed right.

637
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: They tried to say something about his brains or something

638
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: that him and Mama Miles came out like boom.

639
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: That was it.

640
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 4: Other than that they were handling him with care. Now

641
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: do no crazy stuff. He had a couple of dinners

642
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 4: sit down and talks. He and you.

643
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Now we was in the world when all over the place.

644
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: Going through it, right, So I mean I went through

645
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: that all right, So like you know what I'm saying,

646
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: I went through that, and that that was like another

647
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: humbling experience because I went through some workouts and then

648
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: when the guys are telling me, like they're telling you

649
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: who they're gonna draft, and I'm like.

650
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: Y'all think he better than me for real?

651
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: Like that's when I realized, like you know what, just

652
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: because you're in a high value position, don't mean you

653
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: know everything like that was the lesson I learned through

654
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: that shit, because again it's no offense to anybody. But

655
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: like I went to Seattle, right, and I'm in Seattle,

656
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, they got like the they had

657
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: two picks in the draft.

658
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 2: They had the twelve and the fourteen for the thirteen

659
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: something like that. So I'm like, what these motherfuckers the

660
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: should draft me on?

661
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: So I go to the workout, have a good workout,

662
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: like you kind of getting that vibe, you know, curious,

663
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: like you know when they like not gonna draft any

664
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: kind of weird vibe.

665
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: So they bring me in.

666
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: They talking to me, and I'm like, okay, so y'all

667
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: probably gonna drive me like, yeah, we're not gonna draft you.

668
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: We we think we got, you know, the stars of

669
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: the future. We think we got two guys that're gonna

670
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: be our franchise guys. So I'm thinking, all right, well,

671
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: I know, Bron going one, Mellow d Wade and Bosh,

672
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, probably gonna be the other guys.

673
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't really.

674
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: See no France like franchise sort of level guys after

675
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: that for real, for really like.

676
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: We talked about it.

677
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: So the dude looked looked me dead in my face

678
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, you know we're gonna draft.

679
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna draft Nick Collinson. Uh, but we really think

680
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: we got the next The next stocking in Luke ridden Now? Nick,

681
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: I said, you think Luke and this is looking don't.

682
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: I don't know Luke and this is no offense. But dog,

683
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm like you telling me Luke ridd Now better than me.

684
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: I bet so. I was done with the workouts after that, bro,

685
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Like I was done. I'm telling you I was done.

686
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: I told my agent, I said I don't want to

687
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: do no more. He's like, no, you gotta do some more.

688
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: And luckily, what's crazy is the next week I had

689
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: New Orleans. This.

690
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you were penalized because you remember

691
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: in that time period, everything was about straight out of

692
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: high school.

693
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: One and done, being super young and if.

694
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: You stayed sophomore junior, if you forbid, godd be you

695
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: a senior? Something wrong with you? Why you ain't left school?

696
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: Because I remember they did Jamie and Nelson the same way.

697
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: So like, do you feel like you were penalized by

698
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: that by just because you stayed four years they and

699
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: you weren't like a young hot shot freshman or high

700
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: school dude that you got penalized in the draft process

701
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: by that, because I felt like if you weren't a

702
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: high schooler or a freshman back then coming one and

703
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: done or one of them, they felt like maybe you

704
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: already tapped into your potential or whatever, or you or

705
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 4: your ceiling was lower than them or something, And it's like,

706
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: what are you talking about?

707
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: Right, Nah, that's real because it changed so fast, broke

708
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: because two thousand, remember they drafted like Kenyon and then

709
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: like stro Mile five. So there were guys that Drew

710
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: Gooden was in there, so they were like guys that

711
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: kind of fit the power forward profile that I fit.

712
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm good. I just automatically I'm good,

713
00:30:59,200 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: you know.

714
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: But like as the draft got closer, you know, just

715
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: having those conversations, you're like, nah, these dudes kind of tripping,

716
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: but it was fine, you know what I mean, Like

717
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: they tripping a little bit, but it's fine. You know,

718
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: like guys telling me, you know, these guys are gonna

719
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: be this level or that level, and they don't see

720
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: me getting to that level.

721
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: It was all motivation.

722
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: So when I went to New Orleans, I walked into

723
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: New Orleans's two story bro Bob Bass, who was he's

724
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: passed away, since passed, but Bob Bass was the general

725
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: manager of New Orleans at the time, and he had

726
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: drafted David Robinson. So when I went to New Orleans, Bro,

727
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: it was like a whole different vibe. So I'm like, yo,

728
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: I hadn't got this vibe from any other team, like

729
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: Bob Allen Bristow.

730
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: They kind of they came in like met me at

731
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: the airport.

732
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, pick me up, all right. The general

733
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 3: manager and the president get there and I'm ready to go.

734
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Like he got some high school he got a couple

735
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: of high school guys because like Edbie Orrodd think his

736
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: name was, and Big Lane was in there, a couple

737
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: other guys, Ebie, yeah, he was in there.

738
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: So it was like a world out with like six guys.

740
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: So I'm getting loose, warming up. We start doing some stretching,

741
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: do some you know, light basketball stuff, and then like

742
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: right when we're getting ready to start doing like some

743
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: full court wll on want of stuff, mister Bash pulls

744
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: me out of the workout and he.

745
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Sits me down on the side.

746
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: He says, I'm gonna tell you right now, if you're

747
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: available at eighteen.

748
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm drafting you. And I was like what, Like, I was.

749
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: Stunned because I had not gotten any kind of love

750
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: like this. He was like, He's like, I don't know what.

751
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: He's like, You've been to like fifteen workouts already. I

752
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: was like, yes, I've been to bunch of going to

753
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: Utah because they got to pick after you guys. He

754
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: was like, well, I'm just telling you, no, you're not

755
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: falling past us at eighteen. He's like, so, you know

756
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that. I'm putting my word on it.

757
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: I just told my agent. I was like, Yo, this

758
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: dude just told me straight up they're gonna draft me.

759
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I said, yeah, that's what he said.

760
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: He said he so he didn't even have me work out.

761
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: He was like, man, i've seen you play in college.

762
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: Your stats, you know, they did the measurements. He's like,

763
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be fine. I think you're gonna

764
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: have a long career. You're better than a lot of

765
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: the guys that they have ahead of you. We're not

766
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: worried about any of that. You're our guy at eighteen,

767
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: so I knew I was going to New Orleans. After that,

768
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: I was like, well, to hell with everybody else. My

769
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: agent tried to get me to do workouts for a

770
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: couple other teams, like Circle Back. I was like, nah, bro,

771
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: mister Bassay's going he's gonna draft me. I'm gonna trust that,

772
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: and you know, we just we just settled on that.

773
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Did you go to the actual draft? But I didn't

774
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: get invited. Damn yeah, I didn't get invited. See yeah,

775
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: they do to singing.

776
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: You man, the National player of the Year can't get

777
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: an invite to the damn green room.

778
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: Bro, like that. You do know what I'm saying. But that's

779
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, Black.

780
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: He got that eighteenth pick like me, Me and him

781
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: number eighteen and the pigs in the draw.

782
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: You feel me? Yeah yeah yeah Black?

783
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: All right, tell us your process of you know, how

784
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: you did your draft party and man to hear your

785
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: name on the screen, you know, saying David West is

786
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: getting drafted to this team. You officially, because if you

787
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: get drafted in the first round, I don't care if

788
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: it's top ten or the twenty ninth Pig that's a

789
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: big deal because you guaranteed a contract. You guarantee a

790
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: three year deal with a fourth year option. So to

791
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: hear your name Carl and you know, to see your

792
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: parents and your family and friends, to be around them,

793
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: tell us the process of that whole day for you.

794
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was it was pretty simple, man, Like

795
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: I kept it chills at mom and Dad's house, my

796
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: childhood friends, family, my uncle.

797
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: My circle wasn't too big of a hoorah.

798
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: And you know, I was just waiting, like I'm waiting,

799
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 3: like everybody's going, and you know, my brother and uncle

800
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: talking crazy.

801
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, you know this every fit Yeah, every

802
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, they going, they're going hard. And I'm like,

803
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: we're good, you know.

804
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: So when my name got called and I remember just

805
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: feeling really like this rush because it was like I

806
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: dreamed about playing in the NBA when.

807
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Man, when I was drafts.

808
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: Man, i went, and I actually when I was a kid,

809
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: when I was in high school, man, the last thing

810
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: I did with my high school and teen was I

811
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: went to the ninety sixth Draft bro. We had a

812
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: school trip ninety sixth Draft BRO. I sat, I literally

813
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: sat at the side where like so we saw who

814
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: was coming up. It was a crazy night, bro, because

815
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: like boys to men were sitting in like the road

816
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: ahead of us. And then this dude, y'all remember a

817
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: dude named Priest Laughterdale.

818
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: He was like the football Kansas big dude, seven four dude.

819
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: He was sitting in front of us because he was

820
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 3: going he was gonna get drafted in the second round

821
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: or something. But he was there and like we watched

822
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 3: Candy and iverson, I was sitting in there that night,

823
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: like watching the draft happen, and I'm like, nah, one day, bro,

824
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: you you know, like the dream was always the dream

825
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: was always there that night.

826
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: So that doc bro, I literally just documentary on NBA TV.

827
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: They had that on last night. I just watched it.

828
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: I promise you if NBA cameras whatever they got, they

829
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: probably wasn't filming. But literally, I'm sitting three or four

830
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: rows up on the side of the stage watching the

831
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: guys walk.

832
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: Up to the curtain come out after their name was called.

833
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: I literally just watched that last night. Eighty four before that.

834
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: Then they played that like, no, that's crazy.

835
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: It was meant for you to make it then, man,

836
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: stuff like bring the history of like, Man, you never know, man,

837
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: it was meant for you to make it in that juont.

838
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: Like I said, Man, it's always been like the dream

839
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: is like right in front of you, right like it's

840
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: just bouncing in front of me. It was always in

841
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: front of my face. I could always just always dreamed

842
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: about it. Always felt like, Yo, You're gonna make it

843
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: no matter setbacks, whatever happens. They might say, this guy

844
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: is better than you, that guy's better than you. Just

845
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: keep chugging, keep doing what you do.

846
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: And I got there.

847
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like that's what all kind

848
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: of hit me that night when I when I finally

849
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: got drafted.

850
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: Man, So you get to New Orleans, you got a

851
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: veteran team. But the good thing about your veteran team, man,

852
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: you got a lot of good guys as veteran man

853
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: like Daryl Armstrong, mass BD.

854
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: Like these guys or did they.

855
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Teach you like how they was veterans later on when

856
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: you got the Golden State, did they really teach you

857
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: how to really be a true veteran on the teams?

858
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

859
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: Like I said, man, I just I always got lucky,

860
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Like I go to New Orleans, right like these dudes

861
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: are pasted all the hate. Like they tried to get

862
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: me to sing, and I'm like, listen, man, i ain't

863
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: sing it thog like, but like y'all not finna make

864
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: me do nothing like you know what I'm saying. I was,

865
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: I just like you ain't gonna make me do nothing,

866
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: like no crazy stuff.

867
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: And they were old, so they wasn't. They didn't even

868
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: have the energy to like do it like the most

869
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: they would be like Stacey Allman would be like a

870
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: young fella, run me to the store or something, you

871
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: know what, man, take me to the airport or whatever

872
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: that was.

873
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: But like they just put me on game like I

874
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: had like the Darryl Longstrong, David Wesley Smith, George Lynch and.

875
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: Rooks.

876
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Now that's what listen, God bless it Dad, Listen that

877
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: one of the best o g ever had. But like

878
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: real time, he cuffed me and d and showed us,

879
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 4: showed us what the whole everything was, bro like like

880
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 4: checked us what we need. I'm on the first day

881
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: we had like an optional practice and me and the

882
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 4: like that Brooks called us standing on the court. You

883
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: hit the balls in the background and like he ain't

884
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: never been like that. He like, y'all need to be

885
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: here now, stop playing Like y'all need to be here now,

886
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm here, y'all need to be here.

887
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: We be lined up.

888
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: They're like damn like spook, like we tripped, like you

889
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, But like he was super cool though,

890
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, really showed us what

891
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 4: it was about.

892
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: Man, love big.

893
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: Rugs, absolutely man, And that's what I said. Man, I

894
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: was in that environment. Them dudes, they just put me

895
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: on the whole game of the NBA, the whole game.

896
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: So it was like after basically every game, Bro was

897
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: like I'm the I'm the only rookie on the team.

898
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: They sitting me down, just them fella get over here

899
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: and listening to this man, so is gonna call you

900
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: young fella too. PJ Brown like the same way. PJ

901
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, taught me all of the all little ins

902
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: and outs and you know, sneaky stuff. They're all that stuff. Man,

903
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: he gave he gave me.

904
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: They gave me game, Bro, like they really and they

905
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: was never on no crazy stuff, just you know, literally

906
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: two rules like rook don't let us beat you here

907
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: and don't get out of here before us you know

908
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I just had to be there

909
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: before them and make sure that they was done off

910
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: the floor before I finished.

911
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: And that was like, that was the context of my

912
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: rookie year.

913
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: But they taught me how to get ready, taught me

914
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: how to prepare, like, you know, making choices like young

915
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: fella picked your cities. Like I didn't know what that meant, right,

916
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, you burned out as a rookie man every time.

917
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: You you know, you just going.

918
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: And they just said, you'll pick, you know, pick pick

919
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: your cities, man, pick your time, you know, take you

920
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: all your steps type of deal, and guys was just

921
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: really solid. So I never had, like I said, never

922
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: got the bad advice. It was always like, if you

923
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: want to make it ten, twelve, fifteen years, this is.

924
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: How you do it.

925
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: Because I'm looking at guys that's thirteen years and fourteen

926
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: fifteen years and like I'm watching them, like watching Smitty

927
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: that was like his last year playing, so watching him

928
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: prepare and he could still on that right night, Smitty

929
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: could still light.

930
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: Your ass up. So just watching him prepare.

931
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: And that was a really good, good experience for me

932
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: as a rookie because it just just set me on

933
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: the right course.

934
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: George Lynch strong ass, no strong, you hate strong ass

935
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: shit box it out.

936
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: All strong right right, super strong.

937
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: That was about Darryn Armstrong cause we know he was

938
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: a true comedian on the squad, just the energy he

939
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: had and they bring we had him on the show

940
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that we heard come about

941
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: his mouth.

942
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, crazy man.

943
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: But he but he was a great He's a great

944
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: vet man we had when my rookie year. Man, So

945
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: I was I wasn't playing a lot maybe ten eleven

946
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: minutes a game, but like.

947
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: You know in the NBA game, man, five four.

948
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: Minutes is a lot. You can lose a game for

949
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: your team in four minutes. So definitely I was a

950
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: part of the second unit. And you know the way

951
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: that we had Tim Floyd was our coach my rookie year,

952
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: so the way he was doing the rotations, you know,

953
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 3: he was kind of getting the older guys agitated because

954
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: they needed to know, like and I realized that as

955
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: I got older, right, like, yo, you need you thirty

956
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: four years old, thirty five, you need to know how

957
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: many minutes you're gonna play to night so you can

958
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: tell all that right, Yeah, man, Coach Foyd was still

959
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: kind of on that college stuff, like, you know, on

960
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: a whim, you're gonna go in. So they had you know,

961
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: Ice had got on him one night, and then you know,

962
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: one night, Smitty didn't think he was playing and he

963
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: threw Smitty out there for like twenty nine minutes like, man,

964
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna.

965
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: Be good next two weeks, you know what I'm saying.

966
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: So it hit All of that was kind of bubbling, right.

967
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: So we get the Milwaukee and we're playing. You know,

968
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: we're playing, well, we're trying, and Mike Red is up

969
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: there going crazy, but we trying, you know what I mean.

970
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: He repeats and uh, the second unit we come in

971
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: and we get we get a league, take the lead

972
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 3: to like eight. You know, he goes back, he cuts

973
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: our cuts our time, you know, because he's trying to

974
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: win the game, throws the starters back in and they

975
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: kind of blow the eight point lead, and he throws

976
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: us back in like crazy. He throws us back in.

977
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: We closed the game back thinking it's over. We actually

978
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: pulled the game back, you know, maybe three or four points,

979
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: and then Da hits a shot and gets us the

980
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: lead man coach took us out trying to close the

981
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: game with the starters, and you know, y'all know how

982
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: that goes. Like the guys who got the rhythms to finish,

983
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: so we didn't finish. We end up losing the game.

984
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: We get in the back and he goes crazy, and

985
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, this little motherfuck ain't nothing but one seventy.

986
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he cutting everybody out, He threw on stuff,

987
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: and then he says to the coach, he said, listen,

988
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: you gonna be our coach, and all respect you as

989
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: a coach, but you can't fuck us too.

990
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: Like we got the reps fucking us, We got how

991
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: we gonna win.

992
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: Like, but it was the way he you know, it

993
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: was like Da had got to his point where you

994
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: know he was he was he kept things light and

995
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: but he worked hard. And that was a moment where

996
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, every player's got to have that other side, right,

997
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: every player got to have that switch because Da was

998
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: like the glue guy joking, make sure everybody was doing right.

999
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: But he kept it, sir and lost it. I said, oh,

1000
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 3: this motherfucker crazy, Like he.

1001
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: Got he got all the all the fire.

1002
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, but nah, just like I said, man,

1003
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: those those types of experiences, man, just that helped.

1004
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: Me, you know, have a smooth, you know, super smooth career. Man.

1005
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: Coach Kenny wanted you to study called alone. We didn't

1006
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: call him alone. Game that you start to look at

1007
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: and see that you added to your game.

1008
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, ok, man, I got hurt being hard headed man.

1009
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: Like I was trying to play the same way I

1010
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: was playing in college in the NBA, and I was

1011
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: these dudes had twenty thirty forty pounds on me, man,

1012
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: and I'm going in there trying to crash against them.

1013
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: It just wasn't smart.

1014
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: So I ended up getting into yeah right, ended up

1015
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: getting hurt and at the end of that season because

1016
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: I missed like fifty five games literally, Gatt was like, Yo,

1017
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: if you want to figure this out, you gotta watch

1018
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: Carl Malone.

1019
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: And I didn't funk with Carl Malone.

1020
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: I didn't never watch him as a player, didn't, but

1021
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: I like it, just Yo, you gotta change the way

1022
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: you play. You know, this little fifteen seventeen foot jumpers

1023
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: money for this dude. And the thing about it was

1024
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: he was he was two sixty five doing that you know,

1025
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: I'm too.

1026
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: I came to the league.

1027
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: I was two twenty five to thirty, barely trying to

1028
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: overpower people. It was ridiculous, you know what I'm saying,

1029
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: especially in those days where guys are too eighty right

1030
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: fasting with Jahidi white man. I can't do nothing with that.

1031
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: You know, nothing, man, nothing. So Goat was like the

1032
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: one you know again I had again got lucky because

1033
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: he's a former player.

1034
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: I had a staff that second year, we had coach Scott.

1035
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: He came in and brought in a bunch of former players,

1036
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: Daryl Walker, Kenny Gattison.

1037
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: Those guys were being They were straight honest with me,

1038
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: like yo, Dad said, YO.

1039
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: Want to you want to change the trajectory of your career,

1040
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: you gotta adopt some of this. He don't play like him.

1041
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: You ain't even gotta like him. I just want you

1042
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: to see how he's playing. So that summer, Bro, I

1043
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: just I just went to gym. I just started shooting

1044
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: Jay's I'm telling you, bro, like it was just that simple.

1045
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: It was like that's how I work. Like you gotta

1046
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: get to something, you gotta get it done. I went

1047
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: in the gym, started making three four, five, hundred a day,

1048
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: just straight, nothing fancy, no crazy drills, just literally got

1049
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: comfortable in shooting that ship and that ball going in

1050
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: the basket.

1051
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: And so you think the combination with that, you know,

1052
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: you getting that that summer and then y'all drafting Chris Paul.

1053
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did that do for that part of your games? Far?

1054
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: Like the picking pop, like that combination you getting the

1055
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: gym and then coincidental and y'all get the draft The

1056
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: point god one of the best ever.

1057
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so we was gonna draft him with Darren Williams.

1058
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: It was it was clear that's what they say then too, right.

1059
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: But the connection was so CP went to Wake Forest, right,

1060
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: the coach Prosser that recruited me the Xavier was the

1061
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: head coach.

1062
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: At Wake Forest. So I had known I had.

1063
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 3: Met CP before and was familiar with how he played,

1064
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: and coach had kind of just said, man, it would

1065
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: be great if he got to y'all Davy, if if

1066
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: you guys get Chris, it's gonna be if he'll be

1067
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: great for your Davy get the ball.

1068
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: You know, he's just kind of talking them up.

1069
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: Once we knew we were going with him, Uh, CP,

1070
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: and I, you know, started talking, and I had already

1071
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: made up in my mind that I was gonna start

1072
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: shooting even before we drafted him. Like, yo, you just

1073
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: gotta start pulling this joint. Stop driving. You know there'll

1074
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: be time to drive and go dunk it, but you

1075
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: gotta shoot it. And that was hard for me because

1076
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: like I scored over two thousand points in college, bro,

1077
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: and I think eighteen and some change was within eight feet, bro,

1078
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: Like everything was at the basket, everything was at the rim,

1079
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1080
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: So it was a must for me to change.

1081
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: And so when I got got gave me like game,

1082
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: he gave me the whole playoff run those two years,

1083
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: and when they went to the finals back to back,

1084
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: gave me some of his best regular season games. And

1085
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: that next year, man, I just was like, all right,

1086
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: you get this ball. Nobody's you know, within the arms length, though.

1087
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: You gotta start with that, with that shot. So I

1088
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: just started shooting it, and then you know, be Scott

1089
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: just you know, put that that battery in my back

1090
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: and just took off from there.

1091
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 5: We had to get a taste. Luckily, like this is

1092
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 5: what I love our career.

1093
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: Man.

1094
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: We caught Carl Malone and John Stocked and right before

1095
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: it was done playing and when I mean to tell

1096
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: you that shit is real, right like we see these two,

1097
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: oh motherfucker, we like we're finna.

1098
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: Run the ass on off the court man. They were

1099
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 5: so veteran.

1100
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: John Stocks was he was way bigger than what I

1101
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: thought he was. I thought he was a little puny,

1102
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: little white boy.

1103
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: He was bigger than motherfucker.

1104
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: And then talk along on like like.

1105
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: This big but he wasn't going to the most he'll

1106
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: do under the gold.

1107
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: He'll quick as.

1108
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 5: He was picking pop and I'm talking that ship wasn't

1109
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 5: even hitting.

1110
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: The rim all that.

1111
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: And it's the grown man tript I'm talking about when

1112
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: he says, seal you feel ain't move the booth, and

1113
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like literally like I'm about to quickly

1114
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 4: you because I'm holding you off over here, and you

1115
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: ain't moving like you would do your son type ship

1116
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: like just like boom, not moving and he's just about

1117
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: to go ahead, like boy, I.

1118
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Used to play the folks so time, so I tried.

1119
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, I got him, you know what I'm saying.

1120
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: And he was the speed and athletics man. He's steal

1121
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: my ass. I felt like I was in a phone

1122
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: booth like under the Gold and I was like, I

1123
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: ain't fucking with him.

1124
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: He don't move.

1125
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: I'm talking about in shape too. Though both of them

1126
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: mother run games, they playing every game, all.

1127
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: That a different mindset stock them.

1128
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 4: Bro I got screened by him before, but I thought

1129
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: it was something. I thought it was like Antoine Card somebody.

1130
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, what the hell just happened?

1131
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 5: That ship is definitely real. We got to run into

1132
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: that ship.

1133
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: But you get CP.

1134
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: CP rookie year was an amazing rookie year to me

1135
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: because for you to be especially a guard, a point guard,

1136
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: to come in and take control of games. How he

1137
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: took control of games being so young coming out, How

1138
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: was that to watch him come in and you know,

1139
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: starting to kind of affect the game or put his

1140
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: stuff on the game, Knowing when it's time to speed

1141
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: the ball up, knowing when it's time to get whoever

1142
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: the ball, knowing when I they need a screen and

1143
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: roll with a pick and pop with you, knowing for

1144
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: the lib for Tyson or whoever. Just tell us about

1145
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: just man CP impact on y'all by getting a guard

1146
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: like him, that's a pass first guard, but just a

1147
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: dog too.

1148
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know he Cep came in and really

1149
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: just changed. So Coach was running that some of that

1150
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 3: Prince and stuff he was doing in Jersey with Jason Kidd,

1151
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: and we didn't have quite the personnel that they had,

1152
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: and obviously kid was at a different part in his

1153
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 3: career when he was with Coach when they made those

1154
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: finals runs. But you know, the thing with CP was

1155
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: we realized every like he got to have the ball

1156
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: in his hands, like he makes the right decision like

1157
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: every time, especially when he was young, right, he was young.

1158
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: The thing about him was CP was young and a

1159
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: low turnover guy.

1160
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: So that was the rare, right, a guy that small

1161
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: with that speed that explosion because he was fast as

1162
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: a motherfucker, but like that speed was under control and

1163
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: then he could make decisions running a hundred miles an hour.

1164
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: So we knew, Like we.

1165
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: Played a couple of pick up games and you know

1166
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 3: we had turned the team over. So we were all young.

1167
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: You know, we had like Speedy Claxon came in was

1168
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: like the vet point guard. We eventually got Bobby Jackson. Yeah,

1169
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: they always a young boy though they was eighteen.

1170
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: You know, he ain't know nothing, you know, so we money.

1171
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: We were still dependent, yep, dependent heavily on Mace, heavily

1172
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: on Mace.

1173
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: And then Big Mary.

1174
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: They all came in and they just helped us. You know,

1175
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: we had PJ for like two years, so PJ was

1176
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: like and then finally he's like, young fella, I gotta

1177
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: go Wan to win the championship, So end up in Boston.

1178
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: But like those guys really helped the transition for us.

1179
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: Like the one thing that I'll give the at the

1180
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: time the Hornets, but I'll give New Orleans the credit

1181
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: for was the way they transitioned the team from you know,

1182
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: sort of yeah the veterans to it was progressively, and

1183
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: PJ was like it was almost like PJ left when

1184
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 3: they knew we had it, you know what I mean,

1185
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 3: Like once they realized like all right, these young boys

1186
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: gonna handle it, and they headed in the right direction.

1187
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: We can go ahead and let PJ go and let

1188
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: him go and finish his career how he wants, and

1189
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 3: then we just kind of took it from there.

1190
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: Tell me where were you at when the whole Hurricane

1191
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: Katrina thing happened, like like real time? What was your

1192
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: what was going through your mind as you was seeing

1193
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 4: everything unfolding, how everything was going down.

1194
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1195
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: So we had been in New Orleans the week before,

1196
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: right because and then I was gonna leave. We were

1197
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: leaving anyway because it was my birthday. So we left

1198
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: probably like three or four days before because they were like, yo,

1199
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: the hurricane is potentially gonna be massive. So they telling

1200
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: us to leave, and I'm out anyway. So I left,

1201
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: came back home, and then Katrina hit on my birthday

1202
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: and it was probably about noon, well maybe matter of fact,

1203
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: Terry Coffin, who was our training TK, called me like midnight.

1204
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: It was like the us, we're not gonna make It's

1205
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. We're not gonna I'm like, t K,

1206
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: what do you mean? He like, this thing is gonna

1207
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: be bad. Just you know, stay They wanted to make

1208
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: sure everybody was gone. But he was like, just just

1209
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 3: stay by your phone because who knows what the next

1210
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: couple of months are gonna be. So I knew when

1211
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: I heard TK talking like that, I was like, Nah,

1212
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: something else is gonna go on. So that night and

1213
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: getting up that morning and just seeing the devastation, and

1214
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: then you know, they start talking about the levees and

1215
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

1216
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: We lost just about just about everything.

1217
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: We were in a condo and the water got up

1218
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: to where we were, so we got you know, everything

1219
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: was was pretty much.

1220
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: Gone for us.

1221
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 5: When you went back home.

1222
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: It was gone.

1223
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so you know, but like again, I was

1224
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: still relatively young, didn't have no kids, none of that stuff,

1225
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 3: So I was pretty agile.

1226
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: Man.

1227
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: We up and out of here. Man whatever, you know,

1228
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: it's a couple of frons, a couple of chairs or whatever.

1229
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: We out of here. We getting new mattresses.

1230
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: But the devastation, I mean, it just hit the city,

1231
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, and obviously hit the most vulnerable parts of

1232
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: the city.

1233
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1234
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: We just had to figure out like we went from

1235
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: cause we were like, okay, we're gonna go. We went

1236
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: in like a week later, went to Baton Rouge maybe,

1237
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: and some a bunch of us gave some money and

1238
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 3: got some food trucks and stuff like that and all

1239
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: this supplies and stuff and tried to help in that way.

1240
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: And then we're just waiting there, like you can't go

1241
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: back in the city. We don't know where we're going.

1242
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 3: So we were just waiting until the NBA figured out

1243
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: where we were gonna go play.

1244
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: You've been here for at least three years or so,

1245
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: and you found a love for the city. But then,

1246
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, after them couple of days, you know, you

1247
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: had a president called the refugees. You see how the

1248
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: people are running to the football arena and how it's

1249
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: just turningto total chaos. And this is like a community

1250
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: that you call home.

1251
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: Now.

1252
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: I was there to just see how the community just

1253
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of unfold like that.

1254
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: It was bad, man, And I'll tell you there were

1255
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: a lot of people that didn't listen, right because they

1256
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: had been through hurricanes and situations before.

1257
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: So a lot of folks lost their lives.

1258
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: You know, for a large majority of people, particularly in

1259
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: this country, right, like, the value that they have in

1260
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: their home is all the equity and the value.

1261
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: That they have in their life.

1262
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: So you know, for folks to lose their homes and

1263
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: then insurance companies were scamming people and not you know,

1264
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: giving people what they rightfully do.

1265
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: It was just a nasty situation, man Like.

1266
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: There were a lot of people that were adversely affected

1267
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: by it, you know, obviously, you know, looking back, I

1268
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: mean that was one of those moments, man, where I

1269
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 3: really you kind of self reflect and you're thankful for

1270
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: how fortunate you are, but you also feel helpless in

1271
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, right because it's black folks that

1272
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: were down there, you know, bearing the brunt of that

1273
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: of the disregard, right people leaving them be folks. Man,

1274
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: it's hot as hell in New Orleans and August man, like,

1275
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: y'all know what it's like down there. So to see

1276
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: that kind of disregard, you know, for the lives of

1277
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: the people down there, was definitely gut wrenching. And you know,

1278
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us were really moved, you

1279
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: know by that, by the by the way that not

1280
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: only the city, but the way that the government handled

1281
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: those most vulnerable people in that moment.

1282
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: During that time, you've seen a lot of greyhound buses

1283
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: and stuff like that kind of take people from New

1284
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: Orleans to different type cities all across the United States.

1285
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 5: I remember I was in Portland.

1286
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: There was people from New Orleans that got driven all

1287
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: the way out to Portland. A lot of families kind

1288
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: of got separated and so forth on. But then y'all

1289
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: get the opportunity where they choose for y'all to go

1290
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma City and from the outside looking in, it

1291
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: looked like Oklahoma and brainstyle in a way that it

1292
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: was very, very needed. So how was that to go

1293
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma and because it seemed like y'all was in

1294
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: the same boat, even though y'all wasn't, but it felt

1295
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: like y'all was like the people were getting just shipped

1296
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: out to a different city to go over.

1297
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: Now that's real because like what I remember about that year,

1298
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 3: actually those two years, was you know, there were every

1299
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: city we went to when we played on the road,

1300
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: we were visiting with you know, people from New Orleans,

1301
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: Like there was a group of people that had been

1302
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 3: displaced and placed in Denver and.

1303
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: They have come to the games. Yeah, and we.

1304
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: Would see them and we you know, we did that

1305
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: like every almost every city. So we felt that right

1306
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: like we were we went to Oklahoma City, we found

1307
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: out we were either going to Louisville, Kentucky, uh Norfolk, Virginia,

1308
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: or Oklahoma City. Those were the three places. And so

1309
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: we're like whatever, we had no power. The NBA was

1310
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: just vetting and what tip the scales for Oklahoma City

1311
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 3: was they had an arena. I'll be like, like, yo,

1312
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: they have like we like they're like, yeah, you're going

1313
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma City because they have an NBA ready arena.

1314
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: Were like, they don't have an NBA team.

1315
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: They're like yeah, but they love basketball and they got

1316
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: an arena and the whole you know, they told people

1317
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: like eever long it took, they're gonna up their taxes

1318
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: by like a dollar, and everybody bought in and you know,

1319
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: build that arena. So when we got there, man, it

1320
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: was crazy. It was literally like a college atmosphere.

1321
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: Man. I remember we beat Uh.

1322
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: They just went all out for us man because it

1323
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: was literally like playing in college again that people were

1324
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: making noise when he was the NBA game to take

1325
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: a little while to warm back.

1326
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: Y'all had the lot of serrend though. The first off years.

1327
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: Man, it was crazy, and I remember Pat Miami came

1328
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: in there and Pat Riley called.

1329
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: He was so mad.

1330
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: He didn't even sign the charitable stuff, like he just

1331
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: felt like the whole game was unprofessional.

1332
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: The way we were playing.

1333
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: We were pressing and trapping and the crowd was yelling

1334
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: through timeout, so he couldn't, you know, he couldn't hear

1335
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: what he was saying in the timeout, so he got

1336
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: mad and called over this whole environment is unprofessional.

1337
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 4: And tell me this from this standpoint, right, like when

1338
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: y'all find out all right, boom, we're going to Okay,

1339
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: see that's what we're gonna be at at that point,

1340
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: y'all don't know how long y'all gonna be there. Like

1341
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: so as far as like clearly y'all all had to

1342
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: like rent places and.

1343
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.

1344
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: But like how was that process because like that's the

1345
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: part that people don't even get because that's a whole

1346
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 4: Like you say, now you gotta go buy a whole

1347
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: new thing in front, but like you gotta find a place.

1348
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: You got do all that, then you got a vent

1349
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 4: do our bad place. I can't bad place, so we

1350
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 4: might be out of here and I don't know when.

1351
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: So like how did all of that go for you?

1352
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 5: Now?

1353
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: It was pretty simple, man, because, like I said, the

1354
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City laid everything out, so they had neighborhoods and

1355
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: like at that time, you know, it's not an NBA

1356
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: market yet, so stuff was dirt cheap. So some guys

1357
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: were buying houses and some guys were renting, and it

1358
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: was still very much a middle market or very slow

1359
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: paced town.

1360
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: At the time. It wasn't even really a city like that.

1361
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: So we were very comfortable and we were practicing a

1362
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: small college, you know, and they opened their doors for us.

1363
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: Like the whole city was super welcoming, Like there was

1364
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: no there was nothing that was like we had. They

1365
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: gave us this whole We had a whole hotel. We

1366
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: stayed in the hotel for two months and then finally

1367
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: maybe by like December, guys started moving out and finding places.

1368
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: But they had literally this working list and so we

1369
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: all lived in close proximity to each other.

1370
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: And they really, like I said, they just laid it

1371
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: out for it.

1372
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: So it was it was a seamless process.

1373
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: Tell us about when you heard your name to be

1374
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: an All Star, because I know, like it was I

1375
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: felt it was.

1376
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 5: Either you a zbo, you know what I'm saying at

1377
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 5: the time, And.

1378
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: When they picked you to be an All Star, you

1379
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: heard your name that you've become an NBA All Star?

1380
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 5: How was that for you?

1381
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: Man? It was? You know.

1382
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: So one of the one of the local reporters, man

1383
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: John Reid, he was like, hey, man, so he started

1384
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: asking me like a month before it right like you

1385
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: think you got a shot, And I'm like, maybe I

1386
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 3: don't know. You know, I know we're having a good year.

1387
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: I'm having a good year.

1388
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1389
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: Our team was you know, second or third in the West.

1390
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: And I was never somebody to like set them type

1391
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: of goals. It was like, if it's gonna happen, it's

1392
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: gonna happen. So when I went, I went to play.

1393
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: We had a stretch against Denver and then we played

1394
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: in LA and I got had a really good game

1395
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: that night, and it was kind of like one of

1396
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: them the moments where you like, yeah, I think something happened,

1397
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: like something's going on, Like you know, that was the

1398
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 3: first night, like Kobe actually greeted me at the jump

1399
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: ball and shit. So I'm like, yeah, starting to feel

1400
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: it a little bit, like you.

1401
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.

1402
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I'm shaking it up a little bit.

1403
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: Like you know, I heard like I forgot one of

1404
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: the coaches over there. Like you know, when you're young

1405
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: in the league, man, like coaches don't call you by

1406
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: your name, right, They say stuff like get him or

1407
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: you know number three. They kind of, you know, they

1408
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: don't give you the respect of you know, your name.

1409
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: So when you start hearing coaches say nah, you got it.

1410
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: What else is gonna do?

1411
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait a minute, right, So it was like

1412
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: little stuff like that, and that game in particular, I

1413
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: just started to feel like, okay, man, this is like

1414
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: guys are respecting what I'm doing.

1415
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: I can see kind of them with Justin and the

1416
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: way I was playing.

1417
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: And then, like I said, it was just a matter

1418
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: of the team. That's like, yo, man, you know you're

1419
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: gonna be They're gonna select you to the All Star team.

1420
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I didn't know how it worked.

1421
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: They said the coaches do it.

1422
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 3: I said, well, that's that's really dope, because they owe

1423
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: me nothing, you know what I'm saying. So there was

1424
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: just a super proud moment, like I said, one of

1425
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: those moments where it's not something that you set as

1426
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: a goal, but you just feel like it's a great

1427
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: accomplishment because you know, people are recognizing sort of your

1428
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 3: hard work. And like I said, this was I had

1429
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: chained completely changed the way I was playing. It was

1430
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: sort of a validation of the way and you know,

1431
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: making that right choice to make that humble myself and

1432
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: and make a decision to shift the way I played.

1433
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't walking in that locker room and now you're

1434
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: a monkst you're amongst the greats of the game right now.

1435
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: And you're walking in there and you seeing the Dirks,

1436
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: you're seeing the Kobe's, you're seeing these guys and you're

1437
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: a part of and you see that West that jersey

1438
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: with Wes on the back of it. Your last night.

1439
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: I was that first moment walking in that locker room.

1440
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: It was seeing that.

1441
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: It was Nah, it was like, I said, that's one

1442
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: of those you know, it's just one of those moments. Man,

1443
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 3: just as a young kid, you don't necessarily I don't,

1444
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: Like I said, I don't know if you can, if

1445
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: you can say like it's what you're dreaming about. But

1446
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: it feels like a dream when you're in there, you

1447
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like it feels like this ain't

1448
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: really like I'm watching. I remember because they do this

1449
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: thing where they bring the locker rooms together, and you

1450
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: got like this big locker room where you got the

1451
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: East on one side, the West on one side. So

1452
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: I'm like sitting over there and I'm actually sitting next

1453
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: to Cob and Tony Parker, and that's already a trip

1454
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: because they like talking and having their conversations. Oh, I'm

1455
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: like in between both of them and they like talking

1456
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 3: over me, but I'm staring across. I'm staring across the

1457
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 3: way because like KG is over there and Alan Ibison's

1458
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: over there.

1459
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: You know, I was a Ray Allen Ray, Allen is

1460
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: over there. I'm like, yo, man, this is this is crazy.

1461
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: This is a trip, like it was a you know,

1462
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: real live trip man. So it's one of those moments

1463
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: where it's like one of those man like you kind

1464
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: of like you made it moments like damn you in

1465
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: here and you know you kind of they treating you

1466
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: the same kind of way.

1467
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: So I just, like I said, I enjoyed it, man.

1468
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 3: I I just always atributed it to hard work and

1469
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: you know, staying the course, man, not getting not getting

1470
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: defeated or allowing things to push me off my path.

1471
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: After that year, your first year, you're making the All

1472
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: Star team.

1473
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 5: You made the All Star team the next year.

1474
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: But after that first year, I was into Western Portland

1475
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: and I felt the swag completely changed, the confidence, the

1476
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: everything completely, saying how did that year just kind of

1477
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: boost your whole everything? Like you knew exactly what you

1478
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do? How you supposed to affect the game

1479
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: defensively and offensively?

1480
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 5: What was your role?

1481
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: How did that just boost your confidence in a whole

1482
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: other level.

1483
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: And CP calling you the seventeen for.

1484
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: The same Yeah, I would say, man, it's mostly like

1485
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: Coach Scott put a lot of confidence in me, man, Like.

1486
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: He that dude Scott.

1487
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took me some years to really understand like

1488
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: the value that he in the role he played in

1489
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 3: my development as.

1490
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: A as a pro.

1491
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: But he he pumped a lot, you know, just a

1492
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: lot of the confidence in me because he was just

1493
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 3: telling me to go, like, yo, go you know him.

1494
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: I had had Coach Clemens while we were in when

1495
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: Phil Jackson took his little break before JC got back

1496
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 3: with him, Clemens was with us and Olahomas, so he was,

1497
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, he was like trying to build this this

1498
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: confidence man, like, Yo, you gotta you gotta match these

1499
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: guys on the stat sheet, Bro, Like you gotta you know,

1500
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: you just as good you just you can you can

1501
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: fill a stat sheet up. And he was telling me

1502
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: that because at the time, like it was a matchup

1503
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: for me every night, bro, I mean the matchup and night.

1504
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: So he's like, yeah, we go you know, y'all are young.

1505
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: He's like, you're young, you winning games, but now motherfucker's coach. Coach,

1506
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: motherfucker MAXI him on the scoreboard. Maxim won the score sheet. Man,

1507
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 3: I hate looking at something like all right, like what

1508
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: are you talking. I'm trying to get him to tell

1509
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 3: me specifics, like what do you mean, man, be aggressive?

1510
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: Go out there and just be aggressive. You get that

1511
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: ship shooting. I'm like, but you call a play man.

1512
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: Fuck the play man's got there and shoot. Like he

1513
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 3: was literally giving me that timeype of that type of boots,

1514
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1515
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: And so I was like, bet, like, I'm gonna do it.

1516
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: You say shoot it.

1517
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out here and just shoot the ball

1518
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: and take my shots.

1519
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: And he said you missing him making sight?

1520
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 3: He said, you can't, you know, you can't come to

1521
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 3: the bench and and we lose a game and you

1522
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 3: got twelve thirteen shots.

1523
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I wouldn't make well shoot ten more

1524
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: Like he really.

1525
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: Was pushing it, you know, and he would have you know,

1526
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: every night it was a matchup and then then okay,

1527
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 3: se man, one night I matched up with Elton and

1528
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: he came before the game, he was like, you know

1529
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: this motherfug gonna try to kick your ass, right, And

1530
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, he's like.

1531
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: You gotta do some ass. You gotta you gotta fight

1532
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: him back.

1533
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: And he was like, no matter what's going on, he's like,

1534
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: if you get a chance to score, go at him.

1535
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: Go at him.

1536
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: And you know, that was like like one of the

1537
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: times I felt. I mean, we won the game and

1538
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 3: Elton still had like thirty seven, but I think I

1539
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: had like thirty five or thirty three.

1540
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: But we were literally just going back and forth.

1541
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: And that night, like that night changed me a little bit,

1542
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like that's one of the

1543
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 3: knights that changes you.

1544
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: And I remember coach Scott, you.

1545
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: Know, just saying yo, you know, next to Dirk and

1546
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 3: then KG and then you know, like it was his thing,

1547
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: like I want to see you have these good games

1548
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: against these guys at your position. So you know, it

1549
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 3: was it was every night, and that confidence came from that,

1550
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 3: like just having that coach that's in your back. You know,

1551
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 3: your teammates like, yo, you get that rock bro, let

1552
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: it go, like and the Seep's an assist hunter man.

1553
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: Like people if you ever played with see you know,

1554
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: like he wants you to score the ball so he

1555
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: can get an assist. So like by the time you

1556
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: touch it, you gotta be ready to let it fly.

1557
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: So it worked, like I said, it just worked. It

1558
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: boosted me and having somebody in my corner was was

1559
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 3: was monumental for real.

1560
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: I know because Zebo used to want to kill your ass.

1561
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 4: And I'm about jealous right now listening to him. He

1562
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 4: got coaches, teammates, players, they but like shoot shoot like black.

1563
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 4: We know how that feels, like, we we know how fit.

1564
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 4: We didn't get to feel that much in the league.

1565
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying for you to be that's a

1566
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 4: blessing boy. Like like I'm telling you, I had one

1567
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 4: coach like that my old my whole career who was

1568
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 4: on me to like just bust people ass. That was

1569
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 4: Mike Dunleavy, third and fourth year Mike dunley be senior

1570
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 4: and people would never you would never think he if

1571
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 4: you don't know him, you would never think he like

1572
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: he is. He talked cold cast Ship Street. I'm talking

1573
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 4: about New York City playground ship. It's like he like

1574
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 4: he like fuck that buss this fuck. I'm like coach

1575
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: talking about busses like bus is fucking ass like the

1576
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 4: somebody y'all want of us? You know, how be you

1577
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 4: be in the huddle to coach drawing up played, I

1578
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 4: didn't been scoring on the block or something. Right, That's

1579
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: when they used to put like Brian Grant Anthony Bason

1580
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 4: about me, right, he like one of the assistants like, oh,

1581
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 4: whole coach they supping, they putting such a coach look

1582
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 4: up saying I don't.

1583
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: Give a fucking they gonna stop me, gonna bust his head.

1584
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 4: So I said, oh, man, I said about like what

1585
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 4: the only coach about whole NBA history. That really was

1586
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 4: like gassing me to go kill whoever whatever, however, just

1587
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 4: go kill that right there?

1588
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: Have you feel bulletproof?

1589
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 5: Bro?

1590
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: Like absolutely the coach, the head coach, head coach.

1591
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: Right, we had d White and CP on the show.

1592
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts when you seen CP dunk on Dwhite?

1593
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: So you know, I didn't know CP was gonna turn

1594
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 3: it over, man like, But he's sneaky like that, like

1595
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: he if he if he got enough running start, and

1596
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 3: I think he just caught like Dwight didn't expect him

1597
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: to dunk it either.

1598
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: So he just caught him. He caught him on on

1599
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: that back hip and it was a rat.

1600
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 5: What was your reaction to it? Though?

1601
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't.

1602
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it, like beyond I mean, we just

1603
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 3: were like damn, like he just dunking. But we knew

1604
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: we had bounced though, like she had a little bounce.

1605
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1606
01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 5: Uh.

1607
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: Before we get out of New Orleans, I want you

1608
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: to tell us about that San Antonio Spurs series where

1609
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: y'all had the chance to beat well known champs. You

1610
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Champion Championship Organization, championship team with

1611
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: Tony Parker and Duncan. A lot of people didn't have

1612
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: y'all even.

1613
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: The seven games now taking them the way.

1614
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: Y'all taking them. But like that's why I say I

1615
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: played y'all four times a year. I seen, like, yeah,

1616
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: they're well lle machine right there. They got everything right

1617
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: in place that's perfect for how NBA team posed to

1618
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: be put together. They got a nice center that plays defense,

1619
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: finished it and rebound with you hitting the jumpers, y'all

1620
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: had shooting. Y'all had everything that a team won't. But

1621
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: tell us about that series playing San Antonio a team

1622
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:48,440
Speaker 1: like that.

1623
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 5: That's been a championships.

1624
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: That's champions and y'all take them to seven and almost

1625
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: beat them.

1626
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you remember that year, bro, that was probably

1627
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: one of the toughest. I don't know if they could

1628
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: replicate how tough the conference was that year, Like we was.

1629
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: We wasn't supposed to win the first round joint because

1630
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: we had Dallas. Now I remember the seventh and eighth

1631
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: seed had like fifty two, fifty three, fifty four wins,

1632
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 3: So you're playing a fifty plus win team no matter

1633
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 3: where you're seeing is at.

1634
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we we.

1635
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: Got by Dallas and then everybody was basically like, well

1636
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: they got through that. But San Antonio was a different monster,

1637
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 3: and everybody knows they are, right, Like the main thing

1638
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: with them, dog was just like they were so just consistent.

1639
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 3: We weren't as consistent as we needed to be, but

1640
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 3: we still had a chance to chance to beat them.

1641
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: I hurt my back in that series. I've said this, man, like, if.

1642
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: I don't hurt my back, if I'm healthy, we probably

1643
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: closed them out Game seven. But I just didn't. We

1644
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: as a as a unit, like we felt it like

1645
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 3: we felt the weight of their experience like Manu and

1646
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: Tim and you know they got Ori doing the little

1647
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 3: dirty stuff going rebound and you know, people don't realize

1648
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 3: how dirty that motherfucker was, right, like like big shot,

1649
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: he made some big shots, but that dude play.

1650
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: You know, he was one of them old school dudes.

1651
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: He did whatever you had to do to win. I'm smart.

1652
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: On the count, right, but we but we you know,

1653
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: we grew up like that was one of them. You

1654
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: know we I think everybody who Tyson and CP like

1655
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: for us as younger players at that time, we felt like, okay, man,

1656
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: we learned a lot through that whole run, through that experience,

1657
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 3: particularly going up against a team like San Antonio and

1658
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 3: then we basically we beat them up so good. Right,

1659
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: the Lakers kind of walked through them. But you know,

1660
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,799
Speaker 3: that was one of those situations, man, Like Game sevens

1661
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 3: are those games where it's just every possession. If you

1662
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: ain't been through it, you just and you're young, you're

1663
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: gonna make some mistakes that the other team doesn't. It's

1664
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: not gonna make they're gonna figure it out and execute.

1665
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: You're gonna turn it over. They're not gonna turn it over.

1666
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: You're gonna miss the free throw. You know they're gonna

1667
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 3: get an offensive rebound on the free throw. The small

1668
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: stuff ultimately is what you know makes them. You know

1669
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: what they were many were. They were a monster back then.

1670
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 5: Man, what made you opt out in twenty elevel?

1671
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: What made you opt out and decide to I'm gonna

1672
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: go to Indiana. I'm gonna sign this just two year

1673
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: deal with Indiana and kind of move on from there.

1674
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: So the only team you've been knowing since you've been

1675
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: in the league.

1676
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: So I tought my ECL that March and we were like,

1677
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: we were set to make another tough playoff run.

1678
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: We were gonna you know, we had coach Monni Williams.

1679
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 3: Money had gotten the job by then, so Moni had

1680
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: kind of got me back on my shit. I was

1681
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 3: averaging almost nineteen the game. I'm like, okay, we got

1682
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: the vibe. But then, you know, I had I told

1683
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 3: my ACL in Utah one night late in March, and

1684
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 3: that kind of was tough because that was my contract

1685
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 3: year and a lot of people don't notice. But like

1686
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: I had already agreed to an extension. We had a

1687
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: handshake agreement with with Dale Dempson Place for an extension

1688
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: to stay New Orleans. But then when I got hurt

1689
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 3: and then depending lockout CP, like they.

1690
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: Had done the team had done some stuff. It's a

1691
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,480
Speaker 2: long story, but the team had done some stuff.

1692
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: Before that, like mainly we had a chance to go

1693
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 3: after Rip Hamilton, and these motherfuckers went and got luther Head.

1694
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: No issue with Lutherhead, but we were like that was

1695
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 3: the that was the final straw for CP when they

1696
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 3: did the Lutherhead thing and rescinded it and all this

1697
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 3: other stuff, like CP was done, so I knew he

1698
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: was out and so once and then you know, that's

1699
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: when they did the whole Lakers thing, rescinded the trade.

1700
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 3: So once he told like he told me so like

1701
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: once he was gone, and I'm looking at it, I'm like,

1702
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 3: you know what, we just need to start from scratch,

1703
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: Like I need to go find a different situation. My

1704
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 3: role is gonna be different, you know, because of the injury,

1705
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: and knew I was gonna take it was gonna take

1706
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 3: me some time getting back, and at that time, it's

1707
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 3: like year eight, So I was, you know, in my

1708
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: veteran mode or whatever and was looking you know, wasn't

1709
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 3: necessarily looking for a change because I'm gonna just be

1710
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 3: honest with you. If I don't tear my ACL and

1711
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 3: I probably don't leave. You know, I think I would

1712
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: have finish that year, you know, really strong, and I

1713
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: think we would have made a legitimate playoff run. But

1714
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: you know, as his life, things happened. Like I said,

1715
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: some of the management decisions early on in that ship

1716
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 3: man just you know, they tried to trade Tyson.

1717
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: And we're like, yo, what are y'all doing? You know,

1718
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: like he trade Tyson, the trade gets were sended, Tyson

1719
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: is done for that year. He just was mad at

1720
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: you know how it is.

1721
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 4: You can't Yeah, nobody want to come back, so they

1722
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 4: try to ship me out of and then you stuck

1723
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 4: that like I don't want to be here.

1724
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: You didn't want me. I don't want to exactly exactly.

1725
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: So we knew that, like we you know, so we

1726
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: like we had like a complete drop off and the

1727
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: playoffs weren't competitive, and then they traded Tyson that year,

1728
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: Like TCP, we were real off. We were tight, man,

1729
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 3: We were you know, like we had developed this camaraderie

1730
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 3: with each other and this real comfort level, like we

1731
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 3: thought we was gonna be together for a long time.

1732
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: A lot longer than that little three or four year window.

1733
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 3: So when they did the stuff with Tyson and then

1734
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: they try to do the Luther Head thing.

1735
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, CP is done. And he told me, he's like,

1736
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: dam I'm done. I'm goings like so I'm just telling you,

1737
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: because you know, we brought us all this other stuff.

1738
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

1739
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: So I immediately like shift, and I knew that Indy had

1740
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: some interests. You know, there were a few other there

1741
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 3: were a couple of other teams that had interests, but

1742
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 3: they were a little skeptical about my a cl But

1743
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: Indy wasn't skeptical. They had like one of the best

1744
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 3: doctors and the doctor that basically helped you know, extend

1745
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 3: Larry's career with his bad back for like three or

1746
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 3: four years was there was their chief basically their chief

1747
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: technical doctors. So he saw my knee, took me through

1748
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: some crazy tests. He told, you know, told Larry and

1749
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: Donnie like it was all good, like yo, these his

1750
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 3: knee is fine. And I decided to go to Indy

1751
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: because it was they had the right mix of guys,

1752
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 3: like the right you know, young guys. I could help

1753
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 3: mentor felt like they could use my toughness just looking

1754
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,440
Speaker 3: at you know, competing against them the year before.

1755
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: Like they needed to take them to another level.

1756
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you could kind of feel like I knew

1757
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 3: where I was gonna fit in there. So that was

1758
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a real easy decision. And the

1759
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: Indy was just a you know, another great stop for

1760
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 3: me because again, surrounded by.

1761
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 2: Really good, good people and the players were hungry.

1762
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 3: We were you know, we were coming out of the

1763
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 3: malice in the Palace, so they, you know, the fans,

1764
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 3: the fans stuff was still on the rocks. But we

1765
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 3: made you know, after that that lockout year when they

1766
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 3: threw them you know, we started that uh that Christmas

1767
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: and they threw all them. They threw them back to

1768
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: back to backs on it. We had like two or

1769
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 3: three of them joints. But the fact that we you know,

1770
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: we had very few injuries that year we started. We

1771
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 3: played a style of basketball that was like the Indiana

1772
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: fans could like.

1773
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: Appreciate because it was rugged.

1774
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 3: It was a little bit slower, more methodical, which is

1775
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: you know what I needed coming off with a fucking

1776
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 3: knee injury.

1777
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: But it was effective for us.

1778
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, and it fit kind of

1779
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 3: where everybody was at that point in their career.

1780
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 4: Talk to me about going, you know, going seven games

1781
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 4: with that Big Three in Miami though, Like to me,

1782
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 4: that was the best version of Lebron. Yeah, like and

1783
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 4: you know, we was there, we played up against it

1784
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 4: like before or after.

1785
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: That was no like and I know what it was.

1786
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 4: I know the standard they put on them and they

1787
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 4: held him to and I know that's why he was

1788
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 4: coming out like a god damn fire breathing animals like

1789
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 4: you ain't seen no superstar play that hard the whole

1790
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 4: time and just being that like talk about him in

1791
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 4: that series and just that Big Three plan taking them

1792
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 4: seven games.

1793
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 2: Because y'all was, y'all was gained, y'all was, y'all was

1794
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: ready for the fight. So like that was that. I

1795
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: loved that series. Yeah. So they beat us, They knocked

1796
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: us out three years in a row.

1797
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, conference in the conference finals two years you know,

1798
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 3: we we just it was one of those things where

1799
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 3: you had to you had to like believe and it

1800
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 3: was it was over the course of that first year

1801
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 3: we played them coach Vogul's first full season, and they

1802
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 3: came into Indie that lockout and they beat our ass man,

1803
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 3: like they ran us. They might have been up like

1804
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: twenty five at the halftime or something. Vogel comes in

1805
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 3: breaking clipboards and he's cussing the guys because he's basically,

1806
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: you know, it's like a confidence cust out.

1807
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: He's telling Paul and man, you just as good, you

1808
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 2: can compete with these dudes.

1809
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 3: You know, trying to get us to believe that we

1810
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: deserve to be on the floor them and compete with them.

1811
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 2: So it really started there.

1812
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 3: And then after that, man, it was like we went

1813
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 3: and we just had a target, like we knew, like

1814
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: they were something you could chase, you know what I'm saying,

1815
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: like because like they were doing it so well. And

1816
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 3: then like bron was just at another level down there,

1817
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 3: because to me, it was like the first time he

1818
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 3: didn't he.

1819
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: Couldn't just run the show. He couldn't just run this show,

1820
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1821
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 3: Like that you had to deal with pat Riley and

1822
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: then Alonzo big ass walking around and you know u

1823
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: d you know, you d you know, patrolling, and the

1824
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 3: even d Wade, like, man, you know, d Wade was

1825
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 3: was a nutcase too, because he was snapped, you know,

1826
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 3: snap on his teammates, and so I don't think Bron

1827
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: had ever dealt with guys like that, you know what

1828
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying, And in that collective sense where they had

1829
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 3: like a standard of culture that they were gonna hold

1830
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 3: everybody accountable to, and it just made them, you know,

1831
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 3: especially down there, it just made them damn near impossible

1832
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: to beat.

1833
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: Man like them competing against Lebron.

1834
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 3: And like, you know, I got a crazy history with

1835
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 3: Bron because I first seen Bron like when he was

1836
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 3: after his freshman year in high school and he wasn't

1837
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 3: a well known at the time, and he was he

1838
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 3: was buzzing a little bit and I didn't even know

1839
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 3: he was.

1840
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: And then when I finally seen him, I'm like, Yo,

1841
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: this what am I looking at?

1842
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 3: Like there's a picture Brough on the internet of he

1843
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 3: was getting a trophy at five Star camp.

1844
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: He's just finished in ninth grade year.

1845
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm a counselor like this after my freshman year of college,

1846
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 3: and I'm like, we looked, we were staring at the

1847
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: dude because we had never seen nobody built like that.

1848
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: Like you're telling me he a ninth grader and this

1849
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 3: dude's shoulders and his calves was all bit like It's like, yo,

1850
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: what is that?

1851
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: Like what are we looking at?

1852
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: So like for real, I mean that was that was

1853
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: my impression of that dude, man, like when I first

1854
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 3: saw him.

1855
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: So it was crazy because it was that.

1856
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 3: And then like by the time he was a senior

1857
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 3: in high school, I was a senior in at Xavier,

1858
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 3: and it seemed like every time I'd have a big game,

1859
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 3: this dudel do something crazy in high school, Like literally

1860
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 3: i'd have this, I'm like, damn, this dude is just

1861
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: like next level. And then I've seen him when we

1862
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: were you know, I just saw the progression. So it

1863
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 3: was like by the time he got to Miami, I

1864
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 3: was like, yo, like d Wes, you know what this

1865
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: is with this dude. Like the only way you're gonna

1866
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 3: beat this dude is like y'all really gonna have to

1867
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 3: beat them, and I mean beat them right, and like,

1868
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: you know, being able to get by him was a

1869
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: matter of the collective. It wasn't gonna be on no individual,

1870
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 3: and they just had more right like we would.

1871
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 2: We could compete with him.

1872
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: We could beat them throughout the regular season that second

1873
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 3: year we had because we wanted to get the get

1874
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: the home court advantage.

1875
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: We were chasing them.

1876
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 3: You know, we basically jumped out early and we're like, nah,

1877
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna make y'all catch us because we want this

1878
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 3: one seed.

1879
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: But they just had another year that It's just hard

1880
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: to describe.

1881
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: Bro, Like I seen that man turn his ankle one

1882
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: time right like on the break, turn that ship fully over.

1883
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and touch the ground, finish the play.

1884
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 3: And I'm standing back. I ain't wishing, I ain't wishing

1885
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: pain on nobody, but I'm like, y'all, he got I said,

1886
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 3: we got him. He got to sit down, like he's

1887
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 3: call a timeout.

1888
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Dude, looped to the pitch, come back, make the free throws.

1889
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Like, why is he not out? Like literally, bro,

1890
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: we needed like two minutes. We needed them two minutes

1891
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: of him to go to the locker room. You know

1892
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He didn't do none of that.

1893
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if he had done that, I think we

1894
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 3: steal that game. But you know, he comes back and

1895
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, he realized. So Lebron's version of being

1896
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 3: hurt at that time was like I'm gonna just slow

1897
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 3: everything down and make deliberate post moves and start shot

1898
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 3: faking and you know, like becoming more fundamentally sound because

1899
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 3: he wasn't fully one hundred percent. So just seeing seeing

1900
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 3: that dude at that level, you know, like I said,

1901
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 3: it's just it was tough match.

1902
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 4: Best to me, that was by far the craziest version.

1903
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 4: Like and I you know, I can't say I played

1904
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 4: against him after a certain point when I loved the

1905
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 4: league like that was that was.

1906
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 3: That was ridiculous now because even when, like I said,

1907
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 3: the main thing with that was they had a game.

1908
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: And again, there.

1909
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: Were moments in that series, in those series, bro where

1910
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: I literally thought we had him, because there was a

1911
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: game where we're up to one. You know, Game four

1912
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: is at our place and we up to one. We

1913
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 3: stole one down there, d Wade and Spoe had this

1914
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 3: big blow up. They fussing at each other.

1915
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, we got him.

1916
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, we got him, Like there's a crack

1917
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 3: in the armor, like I never seen Spole fussing, and

1918
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: he pulled the way out the game and they basically

1919
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: you know, conceded Game three, so we go up to one.

1920
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: There's like rumors that d Wade left the team and

1921
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 3: Bron left the team and also so we don't know

1922
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: what's going on. They not even stay in in Indy.

1923
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: They on the outskirts. We go to Game four and

1924
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 3: it literally, Bro, I mean they made every play them too,

1925
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 3: every like it was almost like they were like listen, yo,

1926
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 3: because they knew we go up three to one, that

1927
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 3: means we.

1928
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 2: Got it's over. We got it. So they went to

1929
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: that level that it was like it was telling me.

1930
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: D Wade's he is hurt.

1931
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 3: And then he had this one play, Bro, he takes

1932
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 3: off outside the lane and I'm like, yo, like he

1933
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 3: go he flu But you could see it in their

1934
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 3: face like they felt they felt so.

1935
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Threatened by us, right like they it's right. And that

1936
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 2: was I was like, nah, Bro.

1937
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 3: Bron had like forty eighteen rebounds thirteen something crazy numbers.

1938
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: D Wade same thing. They just it was like nah.

1939
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 3: So it was you know, going through that seeing those guys,

1940
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, like I said, seeing Bron go from this

1941
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 3: ninth grade dude to this you know, and like Bron

1942
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: has carried that that man. So that's the one thing,

1943
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 3: you know, I commend him for because like the pressure

1944
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: has been on his shoulders bro, Like when he was

1945
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 3: the ninth grader.

1946
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: When he was in ninth grader at that five star camp, Bro,

1947
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: they brought the whole five star.

1948
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, Illuminati leadership out like Will kleinb Garfinkel.

1949
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 2: They was all there for him, bro.

1950
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 3: Like it was like Yo, this kid like that, and

1951
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 3: it was like they was there to like validate him.

1952
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 3: And then you just saw that validation year after year,

1953
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 3: like everybody saying like, nah, this is this dude is

1954
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 3: gonna be like that.

1955
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: And then by the time he was he got to

1956
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: the league, you're watching them. You're like, nah, bro, like

1957
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 2: this dude, you know.

1958
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 3: And you've seen it like when we were in college. Bro,

1959
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 3: he's out at Michael Jordan's camp. We kicking it, like

1960
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, we college dudes, not this dude. Bro, this

1961
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 3: rich got They eating snacks and he's stretching and he

1962
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 3: hydrating and we.

1963
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: Like, nah, you like this all the time, Like this it's.

1964
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: The summertime, bro, Like no let down, like no chill,

1965
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 3: like just complete commitments. So you start seeing in that

1966
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: and then like when he's threatened, like and that's what

1967
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 3: we were like when they when we were an indie,

1968
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 3: we were a threat. So It's like when he's threatened,

1969
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 3: he goes to a level that's just and then Miami

1970
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 3: had him playing defense, so he blitzing, screams, I'm.

1971
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: Saying, crack the backlock.

1972
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 3: I mean doing all the chase that he doing, all

1973
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:27,799
Speaker 3: that man on one side out effort.

1974
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 4: Tell me this did you see? I want to ask

1975
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 4: you about the infamous. This is the infamous the Lands steam,

1976
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 4: the blowing in the ear, like you did you see

1977
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 4: did you see this like actually in the game or

1978
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 4: did you see it after the game? Did you know

1979
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: it happened when it really happened, or did you see it?

1980
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 4: Like what was your first We.

1981
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: Saw it in the game because like like Dan Burke

1982
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,440
Speaker 3: was like the last police, so we had an assistant

1983
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: coach that like Lance had done.

1984
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 2: That throughout the year too, bro, Like people don't realize.

1985
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 3: Lance had been bulling them, blowing in your face and

1986
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: you know he would do that on a free throw line.

1987
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 2: You know, you go try to walk and get it there.

1988
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: Lands would walk by you and just like.

1989
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: I'm serious, he was doing some crazy Lance would do

1990
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 4: some crazy ship.

1991
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 3: So you know, like we saw and we weren't, you know,

1992
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 3: we didn't we like that's lance Las do this ship

1993
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 3: every day?

1994
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: Right, so when they saw it on on TV, it

1995
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 2: was like what if you know? It was, yeah, we

1996
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: we see man, Lance did that.

1997
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 3: Lance did stuff like that every day because he tried

1998
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: to competitor.

1999
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: He gonna try to make He gonna try to do

2000
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 2: what he gotta do to win your skin.

2001
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about this, you know, doing that

2002
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: for your run with Miami Heat and y'all got a

2003
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: chance to play him. How was it seeing Tyson play

2004
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: with Dallas and beat lebron them that first year? And

2005
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: my next question is how was it seeing within them

2006
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: three years to becoming of Paul George.

2007
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'll tell you this man, that Dallas championship

2008
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 3: was our championship. Many that that ship we had, we

2009
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 3: had beaten Dallas and then we gave him our center.

2010
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 2: Like you gotta remember we beat Dallas that year. We

2011
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: beat them in Yeah, so we didn't have an issue

2012
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: with Dallas.

2013
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 3: It was we needed our center, right and to be

2014
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 3: confident like he was when he got the Dallas.

2015
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 2: He got to Dallas, he was confident.

2016
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 3: We knew they were gonna win it, like we knew

2017
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 3: it like once Dirk Dirk had that defensive guy behind

2018
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 3: him that could you know, protect the rim.

2019
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: But then also like Tyson guarded all.

2020
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 3: The good bigs, like whoever was a go too big

2021
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 3: on the other team, Dirk was just guarding whoever Tyson

2022
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 3: guarded am big or small, like power forwards and center.

2023
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: So it was a great luxury.

2024
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: I had that luxury with him, right because there were

2025
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 3: nights with Tyson like now I'm a I'm a guard

2026
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: this dude, You're gonna right whatever, you got it, so

2027
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 3: they you know, watching him win obviously, that was that

2028
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 3: was tough because we knew we had that.

2029
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 2: You know, we had him, and we.

2030
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 3: Just needed a couple of pieces to get us over

2031
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 3: the top. Most importantly, like watching I would say, watching

2032
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,839
Speaker 3: other people win is like knowing it wasn't your decision

2033
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 3: to make, Like it wasn't me making the decision to move,

2034
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like that's when you're a player,

2035
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 3: you had the mercy of these dudes man like, so

2036
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 3: they make a decision, it's gonna affect your career. You

2037
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,879
Speaker 3: don't get them years back. So that's that was always

2038
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 3: the hardest, hardest thing, you know, watching other guys win.

2039
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 3: But then like when I got to Indie my role change.

2040
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: It was about, you know, getting Paul and those young

2041
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: guys to a place where they could they could be

2042
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 3: confident in what they were doing and confident and competing

2043
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: every single night because they were you know, it was

2044
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 3: it was a fun, loving group, but like they could

2045
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 3: be too silly, and I just brought the seriousness to them.

2046
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it had to help, you know, just help that that.

2047
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 3: But this, you know, those solid dudes man like wanted

2048
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 3: to be great pros, wanted to be contributors and wanted

2049
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: them you know, we really wanted to win. You know,

2050
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 3: we had to forced that, not force it, but we

2051
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 3: had to push Pee because this confidence at taking a

2052
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 3: hit with Coach O'Brien before, and then you know, Coach

2053
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 3: Vogel was the complete opposite. He just was all about, yo,

2054
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 3: p You're gonna be great. We're gonna pour into you.

2055
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 3: You're gonna be the guy we need you to be.

2056
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: You know when I got there, like I you know,

2057
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna hold you. After my that first year,

2058
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 3: my second year, I started feeling a little better and

2059
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 3: then you know cause like the first game, I think

2060
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 3: one of my first games with Indie Bro, like I

2061
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 3: took the game winner, bro like, because that was my

2062
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 3: mind coming from New Orleans, like, Nah'm gonna have it

2063
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 3: all in my hands, right. So Frank had to tell me, hey, yo,

2064
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, like we're trying to put all in that,

2065
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 3: all in that in that role. I'm like, nah, you know,

2066
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: I just instinctually, man. But you know, so it was

2067
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: that transition, and then the next year it was like,

2068
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 3: I d you gotta take a step back. Let this dude.

2069
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: You know a couple of times you know in New Orleans, right,

2070
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 3: picking Pop, let it go. Now it's picking Pop. I

2071
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 3: gotta swing it over the peace so he can attack

2072
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,799
Speaker 3: out that you know, out that slider, out that corner

2073
01:30:58,880 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 3: or whatever.

2074
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: So he was an adjustment, but you know.

2075
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: Watching him do his thing, man, it was more so

2076
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 3: like he's always been a worker, always a listener, you

2077
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And then obviously the injury with

2078
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 3: him just kind of you know, derailed some of you

2079
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 3: know where he was at that moment. But he's you

2080
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 3: know Paul when he was young, and Paul was a sponge.

2081
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 3: He just wanted to get better and wanted to learn.

2082
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 5: Losing Danny Granger.

2083
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Hurt, boy, y'all bringing up that.

2084
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Because you know, Danny Granger was on the trajectory to

2085
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: be one of them dudes too. He was playing great

2086
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's just like he's

2087
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: I want I don't want to say he disappeared, but

2088
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,480
Speaker 1: it was like he disappeared.

2089
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, DG. Man.

2090
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 3: DG was one of the reasons why I went to Indy,

2091
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 3: and he was, you know, he was like they old

2092
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 3: had Paul and those guys and like Darren Collinson. He

2093
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 3: was like the old half of them. And then like

2094
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 3: Danny got hurt and the knee was the knee was

2095
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 3: the knee just went, man, you know, like it just

2096
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 3: went and he couldn't get it back. I was mad

2097
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 3: that we traded him. I didn't think LB was gonna

2098
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 3: do it, to be honest with you. He was talking

2099
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: about and I'm like, Yo, we got five we got

2100
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 3: a five and a half game lead on the Heat.

2101
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 3: Why are we trying to like what do we like?

2102
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 3: Why are we trying to shake things up? And I

2103
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 3: just think we got greedy because we had actually, you know,

2104
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 3: think we beat them. We only played them three times

2105
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: in the regular season, so we beat them two out

2106
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 3: of the three meetings, beat them once in Miami, once

2107
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 3: at home, and I think.

2108
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: We just we just got greedy and trading.

2109
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 3: Danny kind of threw us off because Danny was the

2110
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 3: Danny was the link, you know, Danny was the was

2111
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 3: that connector.

2112
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 5: I loved DG First of all, he won scared and

2113
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 5: he won no.

2114
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Punk right, and he was huge.

2115
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need that, especially going against the heat and

2116
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

2117
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: You needed a guy like absolutely.

2118
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 3: But we, you know, to be on like, we never

2119
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 3: so the one thing I'll say about Indy man, it's

2120
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 3: like we never got the five. So we had this

2121
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 3: vision of closing the game against Miami where we felt

2122
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 3: like we could that you know, that one possession where

2123
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 3: you can't switch, that one possession where everybody just got

2124
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 3: to lock up balls, don't go up there. If they

2125
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 3: miss it, we get a rebound, we win the game.

2126
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 3: And we always felt like if we had a lineup

2127
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 3: with Lance, Paul, Danny, myself and Roy in like that

2128
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 3: final two minutes, final three minutes, we could get there.

2129
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 3: And we never got that lineup. That lineup was never

2130
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,520
Speaker 3: we never were able.

2131
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 5: To get that lineup.

2132
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, never able to get that lineup on the floor

2133
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 2: to get that stop.

2134
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: So so in twenty fifteen, you opt out again and

2135
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: you go to San Antonio. You know, that's that's one

2136
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: of the you know, a very special organization. How was

2137
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: that to be over there with Pop? And what did

2138
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: you learn from Pop by being over there for that

2139
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: year or so?

2140
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 2: Man?

2141
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 3: By that time, like I'm really feeling like like, man,

2142
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 3: I got to make a decision that I'm gonna feel

2143
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: good about. And I wanted to play with san Antonio,

2144
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 3: man like, I wanted to go there. I had talked

2145
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 3: to Ten and Ten was basically like this is my

2146
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 3: last hoo rod. So I'm like, man, fuck it, man, Like,

2147
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 3: I ain't got shit to lose. I you know, I'm

2148
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 3: good financially. I was in a good place. Wasn't tripping

2149
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 3: on that. So it was more so I just want

2150
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 3: to make a good basketball decision and wanted to experience

2151
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 3: sort of the high level basketball because at that stage,

2152
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 3: it's like year twelve, like my best days are behind me.

2153
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 3: I'm just wanna be I just want to compliment, you know,

2154
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 3: a group, and just try to fill in but learn

2155
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 3: as much as possible because I love the game and

2156
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 3: I was always fascinated by San Antonio structure. I was

2157
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 3: always fascinated by you know, Pops coaching and just the

2158
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 3: way that they play and do this stuff.

2159
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 2: So I went there.

2160
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 3: You know, again, it wasn't necessarily we gonna win the championship,

2161
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 3: but it was they're gonna put me in a good

2162
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,759
Speaker 3: spot to win games. We're gonna win a lot of games.

2163
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn every single day. Like it's like going

2164
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 3: to basketball college.

2165
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 2: When you go there, bro, it's all.

2166
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 3: The whiteboards and all the meetings and all the language

2167
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: and all of the structure, the practice, the structure, shoot

2168
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 3: a rounds. And so I wanted to you know, I'm

2169
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 3: a youth basketball coach. I got been coaching youth basketball

2170
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 3: for like twenty years now, So I wanted that experience

2171
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 3: of being in that super elite basketball environment.

2172
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: That yeah, that that that the Spurs could offer.

2173
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 3: So that year, like I said, it was just at

2174
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 3: that point I was looking at myself like, man, go

2175
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 3: somewhere where you're gonna learn, have a chance to win,

2176
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 3: and make a decision after that about whether you're gonna

2177
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 3: keep playing or go somewhere else.

2178
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 4: How was it like, even though you know, like you said,

2179
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 4: this is this Timmy's last hurrah. You know what I'm saying,

2180
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 4: They not in their prime and stuff like that, But

2181
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 4: just to be on a team, you know what I'm saying,

2182
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 4: and get to see Tony, Manu and Timmy to know

2183
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 4: how legendary them three are and what they had accomplished

2184
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 4: and what the you know, what they mean to the

2185
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 4: league and to the Spurs. How was it to like

2186
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 4: see them and you know what I'm saying, just be

2187
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: teammates with that type of greatness and just to see

2188
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 4: them every day about how they went about their.

2189
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 3: Business, right, Yeah, And like I said, we were all like

2190
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 3: towards the end of our careers or whatever, but you

2191
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 3: could like every now and then, man like TV would

2192
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 3: have these moments where nobody could guard him in practice, bro,

2193
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 3: and he still still had stretches of games where just

2194
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 3: couldn't deal with him.

2195
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 2: Bro, Like he was just scoring.

2196
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 3: He would just you know, if that need was feeling

2197
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 3: right and he the right temperature and stuff like dude

2198
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 3: was Dude was a real problem. And then you know

2199
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 3: the main thing with them was like learning some of

2200
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 3: the I would say some of the secret sauces, but

2201
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 3: just you know, learning the accountability stuff and like, you know,

2202
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 3: how hard. Pop coaches his best guys and has always

2203
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,759
Speaker 3: coached him that way. But they got a great amount

2204
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 3: of respect for him because he always felt like he's

2205
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 3: trying to get the best out of him. Mindum should

2206
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 3: be a head coach, right but he I don't know

2207
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: if he wants to do it. But like, dude, just

2208
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 3: a basketball you know, basketball savant as it relates to

2209
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 3: just knowing the game and knowing how to communicate with

2210
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 3: guys and get the most out of guys. Just the

2211
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 3: next level type of dude. But I wanted to see,

2212
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 3: you know, just kind of see for myself. But like Tim,

2213
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 3: what we had this we had a practice one day, man,

2214
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 3: and we had gone through this is what Pop does

2215
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 3: is Pop does his station. So you go through a

2216
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 3: station and then you scrimmage and like a little three

2217
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: minutes for minute scrimmage. You're basically working on what you

2218
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 3: worked on in those stations. And so we're doing this

2219
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 3: thing where they trying to get the bigs on the baseline.

2220
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: Tim's not on the baseline. Somebody passed it to him,

2221
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 3: ball goes out of bounds. One of the little one

2222
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,759
Speaker 3: of the guys is like on assistant on the side,

2223
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: maybe a video guy, he says something under his breath

2224
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 3: and uh, he's like saying something to Tim about, you know,

2225
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 3: basically trying to coach Tim up. And so I'm looking

2226
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 3: at him like the fuck you gonna set your mouth.

2227
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 2: You're talking to Tim Duncan like, and Tim like, you

2228
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: know cause I said it.

2229
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 3: And then one of the other guys like, man, yo,

2230
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 3: you tripping trying to correct Tim Duncan like. And it

2231
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: wasn't in front of everybody, but it was enough of

2232
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 3: us on the baseline, you know, to know what was

2233
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 3: going on.

2234
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: So Tim stops. He looks at him. He says, no,

2235
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 2: what did you say?

2236
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 3: Tell me what you said, and the guy goes, you know,

2237
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 3: he gets the Curry says, if you you know, you

2238
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 3: should have been where we just practiced in the in

2239
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 3: the station, because if you were where you were supposed

2240
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 3: to be, you would have caught it and laid it up.

2241
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the dude like, y'all you tripping man.

2242
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 3: Tim looked at that motherfucker. He said, you're right, good call,

2243
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 3: and ran down the other end of the floor. And

2244
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm like, man, this motherfucker coachable,

2245
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 3: because listen, I played with guys and y'all know how

2246
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 3: certain people you can't talk yeah smooth, or you can't say.

2247
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 4: Nothing to me in front of somebody, like how dare.

2248
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 2: You you to me? You to me in front of someone?

2249
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 5: I don't say nothing to me?

2250
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 2: Right?

2251
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, damn, I looked at that motherfuck

2252
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 3: I said, man, you need to write a book called coachable.

2253
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Bro, like you coachable, like that's your whole and mold

2254
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:46,480
Speaker 2: like you coachable, you just let people And I'm like, yo, man, dude.

2255
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 3: Listen, tim, he won fifty games every season, bro, nineteen years, Bro,

2256
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 3: fifty win seasons every year.

2257
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 2: But that's insane because the way his demeanor in preson.

2258
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 2: They don't talk about it.

2259
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: Come on me about the merriage of Kawhi because you

2260
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: get there after Kawhi and won even a two championships,

2261
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: he won a finals MVP. He's like supposed to be

2262
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: the future of the San Antonio Spurs, and just tell

2263
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: us about Kawhi in the mix of them being you

2264
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: know tony old Manu tim oh.

2265
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 3: Right, you know Kawhi was. It wasn't like like Kawhi

2266
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: is not an imposing figure, like he's a big dude, strong,

2267
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 3: but like you won't know he's around because he moved.

2268
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 2: That's how he moves, like moves very very low, low

2269
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 2: key or whatever. You know.

2270
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 3: I think it was just they were ready to kind

2271
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 3: of give him the mantle. But it's hard to build

2272
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 3: that ship around without Tim and Manu. Like you realize,

2273
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 3: like that shit worked because of them, Like it worked

2274
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 3: because of that. You had like three super talented dudes,

2275
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 3: one dude that's in you know, my top five all time.

2276
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 3: So it's like you got that plus these two other

2277
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 3: guys who set the tone. They you know, Manu let

2278
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 3: himself come off the bench, the whole six man roll

2279
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 3: embracing like that throws you off because you look at

2280
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 3: the dude and like, yo, you're better than the guy

2281
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 3: who started, and you know you're better than the guy

2282
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 3: who started. But in his mind it's like, nah, this

2283
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 3: is a role that's better for me and actually better

2284
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 3: for the you know, better option for the team. So like,

2285
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 3: those types of guys are hard to replicate. Bro, And

2286
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 3: I know they you know, brought in la they brought

2287
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 3: in power gas, so but it's hard to replicate sort

2288
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 3: of what they were right and how they made it all,

2289
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 3: made it all work.

2290
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 5: Made it all makes sense.

2291
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Kawhi was just caught in that right, like

2292
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 3: there was no way you're gonna live up to that.

2293
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 4: No, it's not who he different, right right?

2294
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 5: Four championships in ten years like.

2295
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 2: That and fifty wins every year, Like that's the most

2296
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 2: amazing part.

2297
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 4: Fifty wins A yeah, that's that's a level of consistency

2298
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 4: and a hard ass league. Yes, you gotta turnover ups

2299
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 4: and downs, and for you to go the whole time

2300
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 4: top the bottom.

2301
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 2: Fitty wins every at least, like.

2302
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 5: All right, so now you're in Golden State.

2303
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: So Golden State Warriors the way they played when you

2304
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: was there, it's whereas you and Sean Lives and Andre

2305
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: coming off the bench with that firepower added on to

2306
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: what Steph and Clay doing and Dremond and all them

2307
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: doing that started.

2308
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 5: But just tell us about that season.

2309
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:40,759
Speaker 3: You know, it was always Steph and Clay shooting the three.

2310
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 3: So that's why it worked because everybody else was allowed

2311
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 3: to do what they do. Like if you watch, if

2312
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 3: you really watch the games, right, you saw like KD.

2313
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 3: KD was not he was shooting opportunistic threes like when

2314
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 3: he was catching shoots.

2315
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 4: But KD You've never been the one who just went down.

2316
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 4: He's always on the officiy Tip.

2317
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 2: I played out of the midst like the anchor.

2318
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 3: The second unit, you had Javel and Zaza who split,

2319
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 3: you know, we basically split the center position in three

2320
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: three spots between me and Javel and Zaza, and then

2321
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 3: lum would and dre mind would would fill in some

2322
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 3: of those moments. And then you had Clay and Steph

2323
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 3: who basically were the firepower. They were the guns. Right,

2324
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 3: they're gonna shoot threes and like you, I never played

2325
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 3: with you and you and it man, listen, they both

2326
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 3: of them joke beers. They got twenty eight three point

2327
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 3: attempts between the two of them, right, Like does that right?

2328
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 5: Like?

2329
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 3: So that that took, That took, you know, an adjudstment.

2330
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 3: But then I realized, like again in that environment, you learned,

2331
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 3: Like the thing about Steph is if you give Steph layups,

2332
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 3: he gonna take layups. If you give Clay mid range jumpers,

2333
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 3: he gonna take them. The issue was people couldn't adjust

2334
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 3: to taking the three point shot away from them because

2335
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 3: of the rains and the distance and the and the

2336
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 3: and the quickness in which they shot threes. Like getting

2337
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 3: the three point shot attempt up in under five seconds

2338
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,600
Speaker 3: or under six seconds, is you know, really pushing the

2339
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 3: tempo or really pushing the pace and you know.

2340
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 2: Times, yeah, Phoenix started it right.

2341
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 3: And then I would say, like even even with you know,

2342
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 3: like my two years there we won those championships, that

2343
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 3: shit is a lot harder when you you know, you

2344
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 3: make the level of the championship, Like anything short of

2345
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 3: the championship is a failure.

2346
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 2: So it's like we couldn't really take no days off.

2347
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 2: We couldn't relax, you couldn't take a deep breath during

2348
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,440
Speaker 2: this stretch of the schedule because one bad injury, one badness,

2349
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 2: one bad stretch, and this all could be you know, it

2350
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 2: could be for not.

2351
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of pressure on the group

2352
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 3: that just wins. So every day it was hyper professional.

2353
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 3: You know, got the witness Draymond and sort of his

2354
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 3: magic and how he operates man, like you just see,

2355
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 3: like a whole different level. And like I said, I

2356
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 3: got fortunate because I learned as much as I learned

2357
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 3: through my first twelve years, in my last three, like

2358
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 3: every day was learning watching you know, coaching and adjustments

2359
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 3: and you know, all of the different elements that go

2360
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 3: into preparing to be a champion. I got to experience

2361
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 3: and that, you know, that was what I wanted to

2362
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 3: of my career. Just wanted to move toward that way.

2363
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Because every year we played Miami, Bro, there would be

2364
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 3: a moment in the fucking series where I'd be standing

2365
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 3: on the free throw line right and I'd look up.

2366
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 3: I'd be bent over at the free throw line, look

2367
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 3: over at Miami's bench, and Goddamn, James Jones would look

2368
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 3: at me with this with this look on his face

2369
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,799
Speaker 3: like not this time either, motherfucker. Like it was always

2370
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 3: this little chagrin on his face, and that ship used

2371
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 3: to fuck with me. Man, I'd be like, god damn

2372
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 3: like he you know, like so like I'm being honest

2373
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 3: with you, bro, like I wanted to win. I wanted

2374
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 3: to be a party at the end.

2375
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 4: James Jones is gonna see this and such gratification because

2376
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 4: what you're saying is so James.

2377
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 2: On his face, bro, Like all right, Like.

2378
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 3: Like, oh ship, then that shit should drive me crazy.

2379
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 3: So when I was in Golden State, like I said, man,

2380
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 3: it was just more about to ride the experience, you know,

2381
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 3: winning at a high level, you know, having unbelievable expectations

2382
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 3: on the team, feeling that pressure like every we expected

2383
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 3: to win every night, expected to win every game, knowing

2384
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 3: that you're gonna get a full house on the road

2385
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 3: and everybody's best, best shot because the game is gonna

2386
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: be on TV.

2387
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 5: How was it?

2388
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, your first year, the y'all go all the

2389
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: way to a championship, but in the finals, you gotta

2390
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 1: see that that king again mm hmm like and you

2391
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: know you didne. You had this whole experience these last

2392
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 1: couple of years about faming Lebron and you know what

2393
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing.

2394
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 5: And you see that first game he come out.

2395
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: What he does is this ship the days b again,

2396
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: this gonna stop me from doing that. But then the

2397
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: gratification of when y'all finally winning, you win your first championship.

2398
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, man, you know it was like Bron.

2399
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 3: The thing about that group too, Bros, I like, is

2400
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 3: because you got like Draymond and you had Mike Brown.

2401
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,440
Speaker 3: You always had strategists, man like, So Draymond got strategies

2402
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 3: for days.

2403
01:45:58,040 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 2: And let that mohucker do this and let him do that.

2404
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 2: You just adjusting and doing You're gonna we're gonna change

2405
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 2: it this way. We're gonna do it this way.

2406
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 3: But a lot of that was was to make sure,

2407
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 3: like I said that, that the team had the best

2408
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 3: opportunity to win. So even though Brian, I mean, Bron

2409
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 3: was playing some good basketball, it's like like, this is

2410
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 3: the argument that I make about that group when people

2411
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 3: talk about all time, right, Like you gotta get to

2412
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 3: like one twenty, right, So even if your two main

2413
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 3: guys get forty a piece, that's only eighty, you know.

2414
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 3: And and the rules so you're talking about the rules

2415
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 3: hadn't quite shifted to the to the foolishness that they

2416
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 3: are now.

2417
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 2: So there was still a.

2418
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 3: Little bit of bumping and holding and you know, nudging guys.

2419
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 3: So it wasn't totally out of the game yet. So

2420
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:54,480
Speaker 3: you know, we had a group that could make adjustments

2421
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 3: and play just about any style of basketball. So that

2422
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 3: was the conference this like, yeah, they're gonna be good,

2423
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: Like Lebron might get fifty, but gotta come up with

2424
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 3: like another eighty, you know, and who gonna do that?

2425
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 2: You know, where you gonna get that from?

2426
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 3: You know, cause we had a tough series one of

2427
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 3: those years with Portland with Dame and CJ.

2428
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 2: And it was like, okay, they can let them both

2429
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: average thirty. That's only sixty points where they gonna get

2430
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 2: the next sixty from you know. So that was the

2431
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 2: mindset of that group.

2432
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 3: But when you have a lot of talent and then

2433
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 3: you have like you know, veteran guys that just know

2434
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 3: how to play, you can get it done.

2435
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 4: I want to know what the feeling was like, you

2436
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You Like, you said you had

2437
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 4: twelve thirteen year career. Now you're standing there, the buzzer

2438
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 4: go off, you winning your first championship, the fedtie fall

2439
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 4: and everybody going crazy.

2440
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 2: What's that champagne shower? What's that feel? Like? It was

2441
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 2: good man, for it.

2442
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 3: Was a lot of emotion, but it was it was fun,

2443
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 3: man like you just like that entire like it was

2444
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 3: like the end of a journey. But that entire year

2445
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 3: was just filled with like like what I would say,

2446
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 3: basketball fum, like knowing these teams are going Trottie's schemes

2447
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 3: and Mahoggers, you know, watching Clay and Steph do what

2448
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 3: they do, you know, just watching guys be at their

2449
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 3: very best. It all kind of culminated with with winning,

2450
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 3: like and just wanting to be on top, finishing the

2451
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 3: season with a winner.

2452
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 4: And you got to you got the benefit. Like you know,

2453
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 4: a lot of dudes on that get you know, like

2454
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 4: how you say you are toward the end of the road. Yeah,

2455
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 4: they really just be alone for the rad Like, yeah,

2456
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 4: you weren't like the guy like you were in those

2457
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 4: other places, but you still heavily contributed. You were heavily

2458
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 4: in the rotation, putting up still numbers and doing something.

2459
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 4: So like that's a that's like, you know, everybody don't

2460
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 4: get that. Some guys just be sitting there like, yeah,

2461
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 4: I'm a champ, but I ain't you know, I ain't

2462
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 4: get to do nothing with it, like you were actually

2463
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 4: involved in it.

2464
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 2: So that's that's super dope.

2465
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said, it was just it was

2466
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 3: more so where I was in my career, you know,

2467
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 3: just being in a place where I like I can

2468
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 3: help and then you know, crazy like when I would

2469
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 3: after we got the second one, man, I was still

2470
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 3: had a couple opportunities to play, and I was like, yeah,

2471
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah, and you know,

2472
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about my body because I had a couple

2473
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 3: of games that season where I'm like, yo, you you know,

2474
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 3: you just feel I'm like, yo, you ain't got no

2475
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,560
Speaker 3: business being out here with this young boy like this,

2476
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:16,600
Speaker 3: like this.

2477
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,600
Speaker 2: This dude like I'm always coming to somebody. Can you

2478
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,839
Speaker 2: remember any moment in particular where it was like, yo,

2479
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 2: this funny man.

2480
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 3: We played, we getting ready to play Philly and they

2481
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 3: got young boys, they got Embiid and I think okafor

2482
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 3: or somebody like that, and Steve basically goes, see, we're

2483
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 3: gonna change the thing because I want you to match.

2484
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 2: Up with Embiid for about three or four minutes.

2485
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like what, So you know, I'm like, all right,

2486
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 3: So when I get out there and we and I

2487
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 3: feel the dude, you know, because that's what the first

2488
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 3: thing you do is just want to feel him like

2489
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 3: and I'm like this, this motherfucker heavy bro. Like I mean,

2490
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 3: he just he two eighty five, two ninety and you know,

2491
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,080
Speaker 3: he had a different a different group of coaches of

2492
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 3: him at that stage in his career, so some of

2493
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 3: them were still pushing him to, you know, do duk ins.

2494
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 3: And there was one time where he went and did

2495
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 3: something and I'm like, okay, I got him, I said,

2496
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: but Damn d If this dude twists just with all

2497
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 3: that weight, if he twists the wrong way, bro, you're

2498
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 3: back done. And I'm like, I can't be out here

2499
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 3: taking these kind of chances, bro, Like you just you

2500
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

2501
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 2: Like I was thirty seven, I'm like.

2502
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 3: Dog if you yeah, bro, and like you know, there

2503
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 3: would be times where you know, you you you try

2504
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 3: to spend as much time as you can that day.

2505
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 3: I'm getting massages, I'm getting the hot da, trying to

2506
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 3: loosen up, you know what I'm saying. So you can

2507
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 3: feel like your ship and the ship wouldn't come back.

2508
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 2: It would process.

2509
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 5: Card Man, you gotta gotta let it warm up before you.

2510
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't. So you know, so how

2511
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 2: did you finally make your decision?

2512
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 4: Like you say you had some calls after you want

2513
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 4: back back chips and ship?

2514
01:50:58,520 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 2: What what was the.

2515
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 4: Decide for You're just like, man, I ain't I got

2516
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 4: I could walk away on top like this.

2517
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty much like so, you know, I

2518
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: had some discussions with the Warriors.

2519
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 3: The Warriors wanted me to come back, and you know,

2520
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 3: like the role that like Andre that Iggy took that

2521
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 3: last year.

2522
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 2: He's kind of just in a suit and he's.

2523
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 3: Like, you can do that, yeah, and so like you

2524
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 3: could do that, and I'm like, you know what, man,

2525
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 3: I ain't really got that that in me like that,

2526
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 3: like I'm still kind of like I want to be

2527
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 3: out there even though.

2528
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then there was I got a couple of

2529
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 2: calls from a couple.

2530
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 3: A couple of teams, and you know, they most guys

2531
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,839
Speaker 3: would have jumped at it, but I'm like, yo, y'all,

2532
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 3: y'all tripping, y'all think a little bit too much of

2533
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 3: me at this stage. And one of the teams I

2534
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 3: remember was the Hornets they had I think they were

2535
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 3: Hornets in Charlotte, and I had.

2536
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 2: A relationship with with Brego he was a coach at the.

2537
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 3: Time, and he goes, yo, dye, I mean the way

2538
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 3: this banged up as these guys are, you might start

2539
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 3: some games and I'm like, yo, were on two totally

2540
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 3: different waves, Like.

2541
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to get thirty eight. I would have

2542
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 2: been thirty eight.

2543
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, and like I said, I was

2544
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 3: a I had a lot of wear and tear on

2545
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 3: my on my body, like I had put a lot

2546
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 3: of you know my body took a I learned when

2547
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 3: I was young, like, if you play the game the

2548
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 3: right way, your body's gonna pay. Like that's it. If

2549
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 3: you play the game the right way, your body's gonna pay.

2550
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 3: So I had been you know, I'm dealing with a

2551
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 3: back of elbow, a knee, you know what I mean.

2552
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right.

2553
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:25,799
Speaker 5: Bro, like I don't understand. I don't understand.

2554
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 2: Leg off to the side.

2555
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 5: If you leave this with nothing, that means you ain't

2556
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 5: doing shit.

2557
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 2: You rolle, you play some minute you're.

2558
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 5: Leaving with something.

2559
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Clay Thompson, did you think Clay out of Clay,

2560
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: Draymond and stuff was gonna be the first one to

2561
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,200
Speaker 1: get traded or leave Golden State?

2562
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 2: You know, I man, I don't know.

2563
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:54,520
Speaker 3: Man, I knew Draymond wasn't Like Draymond is is important

2564
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 3: to Steph, Like he's really important with Steph, like because

2565
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 3: he knows how to get Steph open. He can you know,

2566
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 3: create off the bounce. So I didn't think dre mom

2567
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 3: was going anywhere. But I I just I just ideally

2568
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 3: I thought they were just gonna finish all together, like

2569
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 3: when they when they when they decided that it was

2570
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,640
Speaker 3: over like they was all gonna potentially leave, but go

2571
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 3: in different directions. I didn't expect one to just kind

2572
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,679
Speaker 3: of drift off, but Clay.

2573
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 2: Has always been a little different.

2574
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 3: Play is hyper competitive, so I knew when they try

2575
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 3: to bring him off the bench and all that ship,

2576
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 3: I said, oh no, it's a rap for my boy,

2577
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 3: because Clay Clay competitive ship, Like you know, he just

2578
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 3: wanted them dudes. He is a built, he's a hooper.

2579
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 3: He gonna he gonna try to bust your ass like

2580
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 3: he don't care, like he got no conscience. So when

2581
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 3: you're telling him you got to come up the bench

2582
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 3: and all, I'm like, nah, that ain't that.

2583
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 4: Ain't gotta think take it batter me. When k D

2584
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 4: came to the team, that was as long as what's

2585
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 4: gonna happ.

2586
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 2: Ship with me.

2587
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 4: I'm still about to do what I do. I'm about

2588
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 4: to let this thing like I don't know what.

2589
01:53:53,960 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 2: Nobody talking about. It's going up. Still. He was, as

2590
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, you like, shit, I don't care.

2591
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm about to get my shirt off, like that's who

2592
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:04,800
Speaker 2: he is.

2593
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:06,599
Speaker 4: This is what I like to ask because I know

2594
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. We ain't got to count

2595
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,759
Speaker 4: your pockets. But you made a couple of little coins

2596
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 4: and your day signed a couple of deals.

2597
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 2: Here and there. Won't you tell me?

2598
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 5: You know?

2599
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,360
Speaker 4: I want to know the big purchase question, like not

2600
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 4: something that you know, something you look back like, God

2601
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 4: damn us, that was stupidest head. But I'm talking about

2602
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 4: something when you were young and you and everything taken

2603
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 4: care of, and you say, I'm about to do something

2604
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 4: for me. I didn't earn this. I want to treat myself.

2605
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 4: What did young d West do?

2606
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 5: What?

2607
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 4: What was that big purchase? The first thing you wanted

2608
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 4: about when you felt like I got a little little

2609
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 4: breathing room I could do something.

2610
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 2: I went and bought it.

2611
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 3: I went and bought a six hundred Mercedes bro Like,

2612
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 3: no six, Like you want to get the five fift?

2613
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 4: I said, no, reasonable want about exactly, you.

2614
01:54:52,840 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 6: Know, between the B twelve and the give me that

2615
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 6: big six.

2616
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: But that, uh, start bench trade. You gotta start one.

2617
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: You gotta bench one. You gotta trade one, right, kg

2618
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 1: Tim Dirt?

2619
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, I'm an I gotta start Tim because

2620
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 3: he just I gotta start Timm.

2621
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:31,839
Speaker 2: And then.

2622
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 3: Damn I'm probably gonna have to bring kg off the

2623
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 3: bench because he'll be able to guard dirt whatever team

2624
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 3: Dirt get cut and go to.

2625
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 1: About another start bench, another start bench trade, another story

2626
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: bench trade, z Bo, Chris Webber, Rashee Wallace.

2627
01:55:54,040 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh geez suh, Damn, that's a tough one, bro. But

2628
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 3: I'm ana probably that's a tough one, bro, because damn,

2629
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna have to go with man seat web

2630
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 3: was so tough, Bro.

2631
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 5: Sacramento King. You you feel something that Sacramento King.

2632
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 3: And even Ship when he was on one leg in Philadelphia,

2633
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 3: he was still shooting that bitch twenty Bro. Man, I'll

2634
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 3: probably say, I'm I'm gonna put I'm gonna go.

2635
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with uh with seawheb start, I'm a fuck.

2636
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 5: Man z Bowy teen a night.

2637
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably I put I put Zbo on the

2638
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 3: bench and cut sheet.

2639
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 2: I do that way, Yeah, I go that way.

2640
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: You played for a lot of teams, You had a

2641
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of different teammates. If you had to put your

2642
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 1: ultimate five with you either at center or power for

2643
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 1: who would be the other four players that you will

2644
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 1: make an ultimate five? Out of all the teammates you

2645
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 1: played with in your career, you got some choice because

2646
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: you've got STEPH and CP, you got some ship.

2647
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 5: So all of them in the prime though.

2648
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm like twenty eight, right, I'm in.

2649
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 1: My everybody in their prime. You gotta make your ultimate five.

2650
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: Who is your four players out of all your team

2651
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 1: that you can play with?

2652
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 3: So Tyson at the five for sure? Okay, Okay, Tyson

2653
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 3: at the five for sure? Hold because because I'm gonna

2654
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 3: put I'm gonna count Tim. So I'm gonna put Tim

2655
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 3: at the five. Okay, I'll do that. I'll start Tim

2656
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 3: at the five, me at the four.

2657
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 2: Probably damn you got to see it.

2658
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 1: At the three, you got PG, you got step you

2659
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: got MASK, you got.

2660
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 3: But after three, at the three in the prime, I'm

2661
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 3: probably gonna go with k.

2662
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 2: D because yeah, k you say that, yeah about it,

2663
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 2: and then yeah and then two to one, I'm probably

2664
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 2: gonna pick dang.

2665
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 3: Give me, hmhmm, give me. I put c P at

2666
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:36,920
Speaker 3: the one and g G is he too, I'm saying.

2667
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 7: Or Clay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go PG on

2668
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 7: at the two for defense and let KD do the shooting.

2669
01:58:52,920 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: K Yeah, I got c P P, KD DS. Yes,

2670
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's a tough five. He got some more them.

2671
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 1: He got something.

2672
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 5: He picked a whid stell.

2673
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I'm saying talking about we got

2674
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 4: to put that in there. He left off the list.

2675
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 4: That's that's some ship, right.

2676
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking, like I'm thinking, I'm only thinking in

2677
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 3: game seven mode.

2678
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 2: So I feel you.

2679
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:27,400
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, it's just, it's just, that's just like sick.

2680
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 4: The fact that you lead them people off of you,

2681
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 4: that's that's crazy.

2682
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:34,720
Speaker 1: You got a little bit of seleck for we're talking

2683
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 1: about these contracts. You got guys who don't average double

2684
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 1: digits and ship getting eighty ninety million dollars for in

2685
01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: a few years too soon, not like them six seven

2686
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: year deals that we had to sign over.

2687
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 5: So they getting.

2688
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:57,879
Speaker 1: Eighty ninety for three years and don't average double doubles

2689
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,080
Speaker 1: and stuff. You came from an era a power forward

2690
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:04,560
Speaker 1: supposed to get a double double every game, or a

2691
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: big man in general supposed to get a double double

2692
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: every game, or he supposed to be dominating on defense

2693
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:14,280
Speaker 1: and at least rebounding. To see these contracts now for

2694
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 1: guys who we ain't gonna say they don't deserve it,

2695
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 1: but it's like Man, we rolled some red carpet out

2696
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: for you guys to get these type of right.

2697
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 5: What do you think about that?

2698
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:24,960
Speaker 2: Man?

2699
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 3: You know, I try not to sound like that old

2700
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 3: hating dude. Man. I'm not hating on these dudes, man,

2701
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 3: because I want everybody to make money and take care

2702
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:35,360
Speaker 3: of their.

2703
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,000
Speaker 5: Family player first, you know, yeah, first.

2704
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 3: But I will say this, man, Like the money that

2705
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 3: some of these guys are getting, that money used to

2706
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 3: be reserved for the main guys, you know what I'm saying,

2707
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 3: like the top dogs. Like the money that these guys

2708
02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:53,640
Speaker 3: are fortunate enough to make now with minimal production, because

2709
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 3: it used to be based on production, like you had

2710
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 3: to be productive in order to get paid.

2711
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 2: Like now they just got to participate. Bro. Yeah, let

2712
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 2: me let me tell you why though. D Wes like this.

2713
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 4: I don't have this conversation a lot of times, and

2714
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 4: it's like it don't even come down. It ain't got

2715
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:11,280
Speaker 4: nothing to do with nothing but the money. They got

2716
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 4: to spend it, they gotta get it, they gotta get

2717
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 4: up off it. So in turn, it's just like shit,

2718
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 4: Like think about it was a boom a few years

2719
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,720
Speaker 4: ago when when that TV money first went crazy. You

2720
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 4: got some dudes, you got eighty eighty five ninety million

2721
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 4: deals and they not even the league no more.

2722
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm not calling nobody out.

2723
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm not talking crap about nobody, but I'm just saying,

2724
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 4: like that's how the money hitting. Like now the cap

2725
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 4: is bigger, the TV money, the pie is bigger. So

2726
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 4: it's just like with that being, with that being the

2727
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 4: k like, bro, in a couple of years, we gonna

2728
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 4: see winby getting like an eighty million a year, Like

2729
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 4: Contrain't gonna getting eighty million a year.

2730
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 2: It's just it's just what it is.

2731
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said, man, I just think these

2732
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 3: dudes there's a disconnect because you're making you know, you're

2733
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 3: making so much money and they making money earlier. Now,

2734
02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:59,959
Speaker 3: Like a lot of these guys have this sense of entitlement.

2735
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 3: So you know, a lot of the tall the talk

2736
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 3: they talk about, like how the league isn't popular right now,

2737
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:08,400
Speaker 3: you know, they've probably gone a little bit too far

2738
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 3: with the rules, Like there's no physicality in the games.

2739
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:16,720
Speaker 2: The ability to play defense is really gone.

2740
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 3: So it changes the dynamic of the game, but it

2741
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 3: also changes the dynamic and the characteristics of the players.

2742
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 3: And so that's the issue that the league is having

2743
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:27,960
Speaker 3: right now, because you know, if you look at like

2744
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 3: the people that watch the NBA, right, you're talking about

2745
02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 3: a predominantly male dominated in terms of the democratic Like

2746
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 3: it's middle aged men that are supporting the players in

2747
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 3: the league in terms of watching games. And then on

2748
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 3: top of that, it's like you got like Midwestern men

2749
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,600
Speaker 3: and Southern men. Right, So if you got a league

2750
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:48,200
Speaker 3: full of guys that stand on the perimeter and nobody

2751
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 3: bangs and nobody's you're not identifying with, like most of

2752
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 3: these dudes out here working, they they need they that's

2753
02:02:56,680 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 3: that's it's always been a part of the game. And

2754
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 3: so I think we sacrificed some of that. And so

2755
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,480
Speaker 3: now you got fans who look at these guys and say,

2756
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 3: I don't really see myself in none of these guys,

2757
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 3: because only do with shoot threes? Right, And you know,

2758
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, man like it ain't the fact

2759
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 3: that these guys are shooting.

2760
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:15,200
Speaker 2: They can't shoot and they shooting, right, So.

2761
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 3: Like you can close your eyes and shoot twenty percent

2762
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 3: from that, Like, come on, bro, like that. So but

2763
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 3: you got every night you watch a game, you hear

2764
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 3: referee sai he's shooting twenty three percent from the year

2765
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:26,240
Speaker 3: from the three this year, and it's just and that's

2766
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 3: his third or four to three in the game, you

2767
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:29,880
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

2768
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 1: So it's like you don't even get the chuck from

2769
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 1: the cut.

2770
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 5: Look for the chucks.

2771
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, somebody finna hit me from cutting

2772
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 1: through this lane.

2773
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 2: They've changed the rules. The rules the way that they've.

2774
02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:46,760
Speaker 3: Changed the game to me, have have made it impossible

2775
02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:50,320
Speaker 3: to really compare the errors, like if it's happened in

2776
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:52,400
Speaker 3: a matter of a couple of years, man, Like you can't,

2777
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:54,400
Speaker 3: Like I look at some of the players that I

2778
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 3: played against earlier in my career and just off of

2779
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 3: the metrics of the way that the game was officiated today,

2780
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 3: the scoring, the guys were a lot better scorers right

2781
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:09,680
Speaker 3: years ago, in my opinion them early two thousands more right.

2782
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:14,160
Speaker 3: So like when I told somebody the other day, I say, yo, like, no, lie,

2783
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:17,839
Speaker 3: I believe Alan Iverson would average like forty two points.

2784
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:19,040
Speaker 2: Again, like something like.

2785
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 4: That in a game where you can't.

2786
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 3: Touch him, and then when he drives, you gotta turn

2787
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:26,320
Speaker 3: and open your hands up.

2788
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 4: He coming through that lane and the big man in

2789
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 4: the corner four three, Like it's over.

2790
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 2: How do you how do you guard him? You know?

2791
02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 3: Like I saw Damon Stotdomar one night, he gave us

2792
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:43,720
Speaker 3: fifty five in New Orleans, bro and he hit like two.

2793
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 3: I'm like yo, Like, so it's like and we were trying,

2794
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,160
Speaker 3: I mean, we're trying to beat him up. We and

2795
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:56,200
Speaker 3: jamming them and jamming them on screen, and he's still

2796
02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:59,320
Speaker 3: getting buckets. So then you're talking about guys like that,

2797
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 3: who I think, because it's simply you can't touch me

2798
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 3: no more.

2799
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 2: You can't grab me no more. You can't pull on

2800
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:05,880
Speaker 2: me and push me.

2801
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 5: No more, physical ability on me no more.

2802
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's changed the dynamics of the game. And then

2803
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 2: the players.

2804
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,440
Speaker 3: You know, these guys they don't have great feel because

2805
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 3: they don't feel the game right like we Like I said, man,

2806
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 3: basketball was everything for me, you know, and it changed

2807
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 3: the trajectory of my life. So there's a certain way

2808
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:30,800
Speaker 3: I feel about basketball and a certain way I carried

2809
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 3: myself when it comes to.

2810
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:32,400
Speaker 2: The hoop game.

2811
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 3: Like these dudes don't have that, Like they in it

2812
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:37,320
Speaker 3: for the perks. They in it for the money, they're

2813
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,800
Speaker 3: in it for the extra, they're in it for the fame.

2814
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 3: They a lot of them content creators.

2815
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:41,920
Speaker 2: Bro.

2816
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:43,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you when I when I saw the

2817
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 4: difference come when I was working in Detroit. I was

2818
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 4: the director of the player development. You know, we on

2819
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:52,280
Speaker 4: the road whatever. I'm going to a couple of the guys'

2820
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:55,240
Speaker 4: rooms or two check on whatever, make sure they got whatever,

2821
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 4: this and that, and I go in and this happened

2822
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 4: like after they have the multiple times.

2823
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,680
Speaker 2: It started the dawn on me, like what the fuck?

2824
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 2: Like I go in.

2825
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 4: There and it's like no different Like when we played

2826
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 4: we had Homeboys. I even took me personally. I brought

2827
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 4: my video game on the road with me a life.

2828
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:15,120
Speaker 4: I played my video game. I never plug my tea

2829
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:17,200
Speaker 4: my game up to the TV and didn't watch the

2830
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 4: games it's on TV though, Like I've always watched basketball,

2831
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 4: Like a lot of these dudes do not watch basketball anymore.

2832
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,720
Speaker 4: They do not watch Like if like T and T game,

2833
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 4: like you got lead pass, you can watch the games

2834
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:33,720
Speaker 4: every night. His dudes that do not, they say it publicly,

2835
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:36,120
Speaker 4: I don't watch basketball. If I'm not like like no,

2836
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm doing this or that. I'm like, what

2837
02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 4: how do you like? That was how we knew everything

2838
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 4: our point was gonna do. We watched, We watched game

2839
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,200
Speaker 4: after game after game, and like before they even come

2840
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 4: in and put the scouting report on and tell you

2841
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 4: he gonna do this, Like there's a certain level where

2842
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 4: we know what he gonna do to a certain extent,

2843
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 4: cause we watch games. You like you doing yourself with

2844
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 4: this certain it's not watching the games.

2845
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Q was talking about this a lot

2846
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,840
Speaker 1: of these guys because the way they be trained, like

2847
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:09,400
Speaker 1: probably ninety to eighty five percent of these guys play

2848
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:12,240
Speaker 1: exactly the same way, dude, exactly.

2849
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 5: Nobody have no no.

2850
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:18,400
Speaker 1: Gain individuality to their game or a type of swag

2851
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,800
Speaker 1: to their game. Like back in our day, it's like

2852
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 1: guys was different, Like, yeah, you might have did the

2853
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 1: same thing as Chris Webber do, but he does it

2854
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:29,320
Speaker 1: a whole different way than the way you do your thing.

2855
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah he shoot jumper, Yeah he posts up, but it

2856
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:34,680
Speaker 1: just looks different because you had a different swag. These

2857
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:37,320
Speaker 1: guys get trained in a certain way that like eighty

2858
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 1: five to ninety percent of these guys, and some of

2859
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,920
Speaker 1: them are all stars too, they all look the same

2860
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,280
Speaker 1: and play the same way.

2861
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,640
Speaker 2: Facts. Yeah, there's no distinction.

2862
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:50,080
Speaker 3: So I think I heard somebody say this the other day,

2863
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 3: and it's like when we were playing, right, there were

2864
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:59,040
Speaker 3: different style like literally different team styles, man like. It

2865
02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:02,720
Speaker 3: was a different style of play when you went to

2866
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,720
Speaker 3: a to a different team, like and it was everywhere,

2867
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 3: like nobody played the same, like there was very few.

2868
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:13,680
Speaker 3: It was yeah, it right, So there was like other

2869
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 3: than like other than like turn four, turn five and

2870
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 3: floppy those were like the general right everybody because everybody.

2871
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,520
Speaker 2: Wouldn't eve run picking rolls like the Lakers didn't run

2872
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:23,600
Speaker 2: pick and rolls.

2873
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 1: Triangle man right, so it was hard to guard. It

2874
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 1: was just so much they backed your ass like prints, right,

2875
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:32,520
Speaker 1: and it.

2876
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:36,160
Speaker 3: Was just different different different play styles, bro. So they

2877
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:38,320
Speaker 3: don't have We don't have that no more. So every

2878
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:43,000
Speaker 3: everybody play the same drive to the corner as breaks.

2879
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:45,320
Speaker 2: We don't run to the whole, we run to the three.

2880
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 5: They don't want no dunks to the three point line.

2881
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:55,920
Speaker 1: What made you be more outspoken, like politically and about

2882
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:59,320
Speaker 1: social justice? What made you kind of stepped up? Like

2883
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:01,520
Speaker 1: was it roots in your family?

2884
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2885
02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:06,200
Speaker 5: I mean it like that. Yeah, it made you just

2886
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:07,440
Speaker 5: be more outspoken.

2887
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,240
Speaker 3: Man, It's a lot of my like like I said,

2888
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 3: my beginning, like when I started to get like it

2889
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,240
Speaker 3: started to click for me, like information and knowledge, and

2890
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:20,320
Speaker 3: I just started to learn about my history a little

2891
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 3: bit more and focus on, you know, the history of

2892
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 3: not only just you know, black people in America, but

2893
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 3: black people throughout the world, and just wanting to have

2894
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:34,040
Speaker 3: a better understanding or a different perspective of the world.

2895
02:09:34,120 --> 02:09:36,000
Speaker 3: And it came, like I said, came pretty early. Like

2896
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood there was a police shooting. I was

2897
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:41,280
Speaker 3: like eight or nine years old. A guy, a young

2898
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 3: dude by the name of Philip Panel. He was shot

2899
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 3: in the back and it was literally was like a

2900
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, like you saw like in Ferguson. It was

2901
02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 3: one of those things that happened like all of these

2902
02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:53,400
Speaker 3: people converse on the town and it's protests and marching

2903
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,320
Speaker 3: and all stuff. Because the cops, you know, shot the

2904
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:59,040
Speaker 3: dude in the back, shot Philip in the back, and

2905
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:00,960
Speaker 3: it was proven that his hands were up whatever.

2906
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:02,640
Speaker 2: But that changed me as like.

2907
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,400
Speaker 3: A eight or nine year old, like everything kind of

2908
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:08,120
Speaker 3: shifted a little bit. Some of the innocence, you know,

2909
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:10,800
Speaker 3: was gone. And then over the years, man, just a

2910
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:15,920
Speaker 3: consistency of you know, seeing certain injustices and seeing things

2911
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 3: differently and forming a different type of opinion that you know,

2912
02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:22,440
Speaker 3: folks may not understand or may not be common.

2913
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 2: I just always stood on it.

2914
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 3: So when I got in the NBA, I was already

2915
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:28,960
Speaker 3: on that journey, you know, and already trying to figure

2916
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:32,080
Speaker 3: stuff out and looking at things a little differently and

2917
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:32,920
Speaker 3: trying to.

2918
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Ask the right type of questions.

2919
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 3: So I got to a point in my career where

2920
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:39,080
Speaker 3: I was always vocal and I would always, you know,

2921
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 3: speak up for myself.

2922
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:42,480
Speaker 2: I've never had a problem doing that, but like it

2923
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 2: was always this that delicate.

2924
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,880
Speaker 3: Balance, right, Like you know, they will threaten you and

2925
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:49,919
Speaker 3: say you're gonna lose, you know, endorsements.

2926
02:10:49,960 --> 02:10:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, mother fuck, I ain't getting endorsements anyway.

2927
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:57,240
Speaker 3: Like that can only work on you know, like two guys, right,

2928
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:00,400
Speaker 3: two or three guys whatever, so and the other artist.

2929
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 3: Like it was always feeling like they try to exclude

2930
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:07,120
Speaker 3: athletes from being citizens. And what I mean by that

2931
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:11,240
Speaker 3: is like when people try to qualify who they are,

2932
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 3: they be like, man, I'm a teacher, I'm this, I'm

2933
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:16,440
Speaker 3: a that, I pay taxes, I'm a mother, I'm a father,

2934
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:18,760
Speaker 3: whatever it is. And it's like we ain't none of

2935
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 3: them things right, Like like I'm in.

2936
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:23,640
Speaker 2: A society just like you. So I'm if you can

2937
02:11:23,680 --> 02:11:25,920
Speaker 2: have an opinion about ABC.

2938
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:28,120
Speaker 3: Deary, I mean I'm have an opinion as well, understanding

2939
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:30,000
Speaker 3: that my opinion may carry a little bit more weight

2940
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,360
Speaker 3: or may get spread around a little bit more. But

2941
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:34,560
Speaker 3: you know, I think that that all comes with being

2942
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:37,520
Speaker 3: responsible and you know, having a grasp of knowledge and

2943
02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:40,120
Speaker 3: you know, knowing kind of what the way the world

2944
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:41,040
Speaker 3: is situated, and.

2945
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:45,560
Speaker 2: Being confident in your own you know, your own knowledge base. Yeah, man, listen,

2946
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:48,120
Speaker 2: we took enough of your time. Man. We appreciate you. Man.

2947
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,720
Speaker 4: We got my main man d West in a building

2948
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 4: multi time all start, fifteen year VET champion above champion time.

2949
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:02,920
Speaker 1: Make sure that David, he said at the beginning or

2950
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: the end, either, well, make sure you say that.

2951
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:08,520
Speaker 2: There you go, man, We appreciate you pulling up Bro, Yes, sir,

2952
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:15,760
Speaker 2: bro appreciate y'all man, I'll be good, yes, sir. All right.

2953
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:17,600
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2954
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2955
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:20,760
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2956
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