Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Andrea. I wanted to introduce you to
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on the planet and the
Speaker 1: host of a new podcast. I think you'll love Burden
Speaker 1: of Guilt Season two. Meet my mentor, friend, boss, and
Speaker 1: the executive producer on Betrayal, Nancy Glass.
Speaker 2: So excited to work with you, me too. I love
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 1: It's just so exciting, and you're here to tell us
Speaker 1: about it. It's an unbelievable story that you've been reporting on.
Speaker 1: I've been working on it, but I've also been listening
Speaker 1: on the feed, and I don't want to give too
Speaker 1: much away, but I'll say this for people who don't
Speaker 1: know the story. It's about two men whose lives intersect
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. One is Bobby Gumbright, who accuses the other,
Speaker 1: Jermaine Hudson, of a violent crime. But it's not at
Speaker 1: all what it seems at first, right.
Speaker 2: That's right. What about Burden of Guilt.
Speaker 1: Season two aligns with the Betrayal audience? What do you
Speaker 1: think this season has that you think the betrayal community
Speaker 1: would really find fascinating or enjoy.
Speaker 2: That's a very good question. In my mind. The Betrayal
Speaker 2: audience is made up of people who connect emotionally with
Speaker 2: other people, people who care, and people who understand what
Speaker 2: injustice is all about.
Speaker 1: And there was a massive injustice in this story when
Speaker 1: Jermaine Hudson was identified as the perpetrator.
Speaker 2: This man was put away and lost half of his
Speaker 2: life because he was wrongfully convicted. That's one thing. But
Speaker 2: what's worse is he was convicted of a crime that
Speaker 2: never happened. He was convicted based on a fake story
Speaker 2: of a fake robbery, and he was given ninety nine years.
Speaker 1: It's astonishing. But the story of this crime and Luis
Speaker 1: Causiana doesn't end there. Eventually, all the lies come to light,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious what part of this story really surprised you.
Speaker 2: The twists and turns are so strange, and the ultimate
Speaker 2: of this story is how the man Bobby, who accused
Speaker 2: Germaine his life was destroyed by his choice and then
Speaker 2: what he did to turn it around, and how hard
Speaker 2: that was on every level.
Speaker 1: I think what's so interesting about this season of Burden
Speaker 1: of Guilt is this is something we actually talk a
Speaker 1: lot about on the trial. We don't get to report
Speaker 1: on a redemption arc for any of our offenders. I
Speaker 1: would love to be able to tell the story of
Speaker 1: a major act of contrition or amends in one of
Speaker 1: our betrayal stories, But so far they haven't existed.
Speaker 2: These bad guys, they don't apologize, They are not interested
Speaker 2: in redemption because they don't think they did anything wrong.
Speaker 1: And in Burden of Guilt season two, it's a very
Speaker 1: different story.
Speaker 2: It's a really interesting story. But I think what's just
Speaker 2: as interesting is the character of these two men.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've produced a better show with cliffhangers
Speaker 1: than season two of Burden of Guilt. Every episode you're
Speaker 1: just on the edge of your seat, and I have
Speaker 1: to say, I just love, love, love this season, and
Speaker 1: I think you guys did an incredible job. Thank you,
Speaker 1: dre So here's a sneak peek of Burden of Guilt
Speaker 1: season two with Nancy Glass.
Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Glass. I've been a journalist for decades. I've
Speaker 2: covered some of the biggest crime stories in modern times.
Speaker 2: I was on the scene of the Oklahoma bombings, attended
Speaker 2: the OJ Simpson trial, and I interviewed serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 2: You might recall that on the last season A Burden
Speaker 2: of Guilt, we told the story of a remarkable woman,
Speaker 2: Tracy Raquel Burns. She was framed for the murder of
Speaker 2: her baby brother when she was just two years old.
Speaker 2: She spent decades looking for answers and finally getting justice
Speaker 2: for her baby brother and for herself. On this season
Speaker 2: a Burden of Guilt, I want to tell you another
Speaker 2: extraordinary story. When I began hearing about this story, I
Speaker 2: thought I've heard that before, that somebody's convicted of a
Speaker 2: crime they didn't commit. But I was wrong, because that's
Speaker 2: not this story. This is something different, something I hope
Speaker 2: I never hear again. This case has stolen lives, destroyed families,
Speaker 2: challenged legal systems, and in the end, it left everyone transformed,
Speaker 2: maybe even redeemed.
Speaker 3: He must not stop giving him praise.
Speaker 2: Now we're at true life. Baptist Church in Eunice is
Speaker 2: a small town in the southern part of Louisiana known
Speaker 2: as the Prairie Cajun Capital ad Every Sunday for one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five years, the congregation has met here
Speaker 2: in the same building.
Speaker 3: Money, yes, sir, can buy your clock. Well, you came
Speaker 3: by your time. A true pastor will care for his congregation.
Speaker 3: The pastor responsibility is to shepherd the flock.
Speaker 2: That's Pastor Germaine Tesano. He's been leading the congregation at
Speaker 2: through LFE for thirty years. It's the kind of church
Speaker 2: where everyone knows everyone amen, which is why Pastor Teesano
Speaker 2: remembers this one Sunday so clearly. It was in March
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one. When he looked up from the
Speaker 2: pulpit he saw a stranger sitting alone in the back pew.
Speaker 3: I notice somebody in the congregation sitting and in my mind,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, who invited you? He didn't have the
Speaker 3: best clothes on. You could tell he was on the street.
Speaker 3: I would say he looked broken.
Speaker 2: He was broken, But it would be years before the
Speaker 2: pastor understood why or what had compelled this man to
Speaker 2: walk into his church that day. Pastor Tesano eyed him closely.
Speaker 3: You are Caucasian and you are in the majority African
Speaker 3: American church, Like, what's your intentions?
Speaker 2: Pastor Testano's thoughts jumped to the church shooting at Mother
Speaker 2: Emmanuel amea church in Charleston. In that case, a twenty
Speaker 2: one year old white man had been welcomed into Bible study,
Speaker 2: only to later murder nine black parishioners hoping to spark
Speaker 2: a race war.
Speaker 3: And my thinking was like, it's not going to be
Speaker 3: dead here. I would die for my sheep.
Speaker 2: Pastor Testano finished his sermon keeping an eye on this
Speaker 2: man in the back row, and when the service was over,
Speaker 2: he walked up to the stranger and extended a hand.
Speaker 3: I just shook his hand. I said, can you meet
Speaker 3: me in my office?
Speaker 2: The man agreed, and they went into the pastor's office.
Speaker 2: Testano asked one of his ministers, doctor Leon Gallo, to
Speaker 2: join the conversation, just.
Speaker 4: To be safe, rightfully so, because this was definitely someone
Speaker 4: no one had ever seen.
Speaker 2: Pastor Tessano and doctor Leon learned that the man was
Speaker 2: homeless and had spent the night before in an abandoned house.
Speaker 2: They wanted to help him. Doctor Leon stepped out of
Speaker 2: the room to start calling local shelters. The man was
Speaker 2: having a hard time making eye contact with Pastor Tessano,
Speaker 2: so he asked the man for his name.
Speaker 3: He told me Bobby Gumright.
Speaker 2: Bobby Gumpwright. That was his real name, but he didn't
Speaker 2: say much else.
Speaker 4: We knew that he was an attic. We knew that
Speaker 4: he was traveling from place to place, but didn't really
Speaker 4: know a whole lot more.
Speaker 2: Bobby Gumprit was actually there with a.
Speaker 3: Purpose, so he asked me the question, do you do confessions?
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm not Catholic, but I'm like, what's
Speaker 3: on your mind?
Speaker 2: He was carrying a secret, a secret so terrible it
Speaker 2: felt like a thousand pounds weight pressing down on his chest.
Speaker 3: He needed to make that confession.
Speaker 2: After thirty years on the job, Pastor Testano had heard
Speaker 2: a lot of stories, but what Bobby Gumprit told him
Speaker 2: left him speechless.
Speaker 3: I don't read it, didn't respond too much because I
Speaker 3: was stayed shocked.
Speaker 2: Pastor Testano didn't know what to do with information like this.
Speaker 2: Bobby had just confessed to a terrible crime, a crime
Speaker 2: that had destroyed lives, including his own. The pastor would
Speaker 2: need time to make a plan, but in the meantime
Speaker 2: he could help Bobby with his immediate needs.
Speaker 3: I said, no, what, Let's get you somewhere to stay overnight.
Speaker 2: There wasn't room in a shelter for him that night,
Speaker 2: so Pastor Tesano and doctor Leon picked up some essentials
Speaker 2: and paid for a hotel room. At the day's end,
Speaker 2: he could take a shower, and get a good night's sleep.
Speaker 3: After we got him the hotel, we got in a
Speaker 3: circle and we prayed for him, and I told him
Speaker 3: I'm going to check on you the next day, tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And when I went back the next morning, the hotel
Speaker 3: management said he left. I was like, what.
Speaker 2: When Bobby left, his secret left with him, and until
Speaker 2: this story was exposed, another man's life would hang in
Speaker 2: the balance. This is Season two, A Burden of Guilt,
Speaker 2: Episode one, the first Confession. It's been over four years
Speaker 2: since Bobby Gumpright walked into that church. Back then, he
Speaker 2: had long, greasy hair and a full beard. Today, Bobby
Speaker 2: looks dramatically different. He looks clean cut and healthy, but
Speaker 2: the choices he made as a young man are still there,
Speaker 2: just under the surface. To understand what Bobby confessed to
Speaker 2: inside that church, we have to go back to the
Speaker 2: beginning of this story. Now, you might consider what you're
Speaker 2: about to hear to be a villain origin story. It
Speaker 2: might be a blueprint for the making of a monster.
Speaker 2: You might hear this as the story of a little
Speaker 2: boy who didn't get the love he needed. Or maybe
Speaker 2: you'll consider it to be a story of strength and redemption.
Speaker 2: Meet Bobby Gumprit.
Speaker 5: I grew up in a military family. My dad was
Speaker 5: in a Navy He was out to see quite a
Speaker 5: bit when I was real young.
Speaker 2: Robert Gumprite, Bobby's father, was a respected Navy captain.
Speaker 6: I was working on Hey for Aircraft ship as an
Speaker 6: electronics technician.
Speaker 2: That's Captain Gumprite Bobby's dad. In nineteen seventy nine, he
Speaker 2: married Debbie, and Bobby was born a year later. His
Speaker 2: voice is very weak due to an earlier cancer treatment,
Speaker 2: and because of that strength, we asked a voice actor
Speaker 2: to step in from here on out and read the
Speaker 2: transcript of his interview.
Speaker 6: He's my only son, and I made a choice way
Speaker 6: back when that I would never have any more children
Speaker 6: other than him, So he's always had my love and
Speaker 6: full support.
Speaker 2: But his parents didn't stay together. They got divorced when
Speaker 2: Bobby was three. Captain Gumpride got full custody of his son, Bobby.
Speaker 5: I never saw my mom again until I was in
Speaker 5: my twenties.
Speaker 2: As a kid, Bobby didn't understand where his mom had
Speaker 2: gone and why she wasn't around anymore.
Speaker 5: My dad, at that point had decided that it wasn't
Speaker 5: in my best interest to see her. So I spent
Speaker 5: a big chunk of my childhood in Virginia Beach, Virginia,
Speaker 5: which is where he was stationed. Between the ages of
Speaker 5: like three and eight.
Speaker 2: Bobby was deeply wounded by his mother's absence. His father
Speaker 2: tried to fill the gap the best he could.
Speaker 6: I remember when he was very young and I was
Speaker 6: running him out to the childcare in the morning, and
Speaker 6: I'd say, who loves you? And he'd say you do,
Speaker 6: and I'd say, yeah, I do. I love you, and
Speaker 6: he would give me a big hug.
Speaker 2: When Bobby was six, his father remarried. His stepmother's name
Speaker 2: was Sharon.
Speaker 5: She didn't have any other kids, so I was the
Speaker 5: only thing that she had.
Speaker 2: Sharon Reaves Bobby. She tried to fill in the role
Speaker 2: of a mother and love him unconditionally. But when Bobby
Speaker 2: was in elementary's, something tragic happened in their home, a
Speaker 2: formative experience that would shape Bobby's worldview and influence the
Speaker 2: person he became.
Speaker 5: Around eight years old, I was at home with a
Speaker 5: friend of mine. You know, it was the afternoon. My mom,
Speaker 5: I think, was at school, and my dad was at work,
Speaker 5: and this was a friend of mine. Joey. We were
Speaker 5: just playing after school. We played baseball together, and he
Speaker 5: was just in the same neighborhood. And one day he
Speaker 5: was at my house and we got into my dad's
Speaker 5: room and found a gun and pulled the gun out
Speaker 5: and started running around the house with it, got downstairs.
Speaker 5: We had a living room downstairs and a sliding glass
Speaker 5: door that went out to the back porch. And he
Speaker 5: went outside and shut the door and I. I was
Speaker 5: standing on the inside of the door, the glass door,
Speaker 5: and I was kind of holding the gun, like pretending
Speaker 5: he was the robber and I was the cop, and
Speaker 5: I jumped out. And as soon as I jumped out,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I pulled the trigger or my
Speaker 5: finger slipped. I didn't know it was loaded, but either way,
Speaker 5: the gun went off and shattered the door and he
Speaker 5: was on the ground.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. Now you can binge the
Speaker 2: entire series and here the whole story. Listen to season two,
Speaker 2: A Burden of Guilt, Available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
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