WEBVTT - Inside Burden of Guilt S2 | BONUS

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, It's Andrea. I wanted to introduce you to

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite people on the planet and the

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<v Speaker 1>host of a new podcast. I think you'll love Burden

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<v Speaker 1>of Guilt Season two. Meet my mentor, friend, boss, and

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<v Speaker 1>the executive producer on Betrayal, Nancy Glass.

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<v Speaker 2>So excited to work with you, me too. I love

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<v Speaker 2>this season.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so exciting, and you're here to tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's an unbelievable story that you've been reporting on.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been working on it, but I've also been listening

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<v Speaker 1>on the feed, and I don't want to give too

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<v Speaker 1>much away, but I'll say this for people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the story. It's about two men whose lives intersect

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans. One is Bobby Gumbright, who accuses the other,

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<v Speaker 1>Jermaine Hudson, of a violent crime. But it's not at

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<v Speaker 1>all what it seems at first, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. What about Burden of Guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>Season two aligns with the Betrayal audience? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this season has that you think the betrayal community

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<v Speaker 1>would really find fascinating or enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very good question. In my mind. The Betrayal

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<v Speaker 2>audience is made up of people who connect emotionally with

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<v Speaker 2>other people, people who care, and people who understand what

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<v Speaker 2>injustice is all about.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a massive injustice in this story when

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<v Speaker 1>Jermaine Hudson was identified as the perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 2>This man was put away and lost half of his

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<v Speaker 2>life because he was wrongfully convicted. That's one thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>what's worse is he was convicted of a crime that

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<v Speaker 2>never happened. He was convicted based on a fake story

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<v Speaker 2>of a fake robbery, and he was given ninety nine years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's astonishing. But the story of this crime and Luis

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<v Speaker 1>Causiana doesn't end there. Eventually, all the lies come to light,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm curious what part of this story really surprised you.

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<v Speaker 2>The twists and turns are so strange, and the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>of this story is how the man Bobby, who accused

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<v Speaker 2>Germaine his life was destroyed by his choice and then

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<v Speaker 2>what he did to turn it around, and how hard

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<v Speaker 2>that was on every level.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's so interesting about this season of Burden

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<v Speaker 1>of Guilt is this is something we actually talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about on the trial. We don't get to report

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<v Speaker 1>on a redemption arc for any of our offenders. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to be able to tell the story of

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<v Speaker 1>a major act of contrition or amends in one of

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<v Speaker 1>our betrayal stories, But so far they haven't existed.

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<v Speaker 2>These bad guys, they don't apologize, They are not interested

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<v Speaker 2>in redemption because they don't think they did anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And in Burden of Guilt season two, it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>different story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really interesting story. But I think what's just

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<v Speaker 2>as interesting is the character of these two men.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we've produced a better show with cliffhangers

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<v Speaker 1>than season two of Burden of Guilt. Every episode you're

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<v Speaker 1>just on the edge of your seat, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I just love, love, love this season, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think you guys did an incredible job. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>dre So here's a sneak peek of Burden of Guilt

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<v Speaker 1>season two with Nancy Glass.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nancy Glass. I've been a journalist for decades. I've

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<v Speaker 2>covered some of the biggest crime stories in modern times.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the scene of the Oklahoma bombings, attended

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<v Speaker 2>the OJ Simpson trial, and I interviewed serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.

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<v Speaker 2>You might recall that on the last season A Burden

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<v Speaker 2>of Guilt, we told the story of a remarkable woman,

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy Raquel Burns. She was framed for the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>her baby brother when she was just two years old.

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<v Speaker 2>She spent decades looking for answers and finally getting justice

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<v Speaker 2>for her baby brother and for herself. On this season

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<v Speaker 2>a Burden of Guilt, I want to tell you another

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary story. When I began hearing about this story, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I've heard that before, that somebody's convicted of a

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<v Speaker 2>crime they didn't commit. But I was wrong, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>not this story. This is something different, something I hope

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<v Speaker 2>I never hear again. This case has stolen lives, destroyed families,

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<v Speaker 2>challenged legal systems, and in the end, it left everyone transformed,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even redeemed.

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<v Speaker 3>He must not stop giving him praise.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're at true life. Baptist Church in Eunice is

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<v Speaker 2>a small town in the southern part of Louisiana known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Prairie Cajun Capital ad Every Sunday for one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty five years, the congregation has met here

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<v Speaker 2>in the same building.

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<v Speaker 3>Money, yes, sir, can buy your clock. Well, you came

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<v Speaker 3>by your time. A true pastor will care for his congregation.

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<v Speaker 3>The pastor responsibility is to shepherd the flock.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Pastor Germaine Tesano. He's been leading the congregation at

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<v Speaker 2>through LFE for thirty years. It's the kind of church

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone knows everyone amen, which is why Pastor Teesano

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<v Speaker 2>remembers this one Sunday so clearly. It was in March

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty one. When he looked up from the

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<v Speaker 2>pulpit he saw a stranger sitting alone in the back pew.

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<v Speaker 3>I notice somebody in the congregation sitting and in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, Okay, who invited you? He didn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>best clothes on. You could tell he was on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say he looked broken.

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<v Speaker 2>He was broken, But it would be years before the

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<v Speaker 2>pastor understood why or what had compelled this man to

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<v Speaker 2>walk into his church that day. Pastor Tesano eyed him closely.

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<v Speaker 3>You are Caucasian and you are in the majority African

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<v Speaker 3>American church, Like, what's your intentions?

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Testano's thoughts jumped to the church shooting at Mother

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<v Speaker 2>Emmanuel amea church in Charleston. In that case, a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one year old white man had been welcomed into Bible study,

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<v Speaker 2>only to later murder nine black parishioners hoping to spark

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<v Speaker 2>a race war.

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<v Speaker 3>And my thinking was like, it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>dead here. I would die for my sheep.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Testano finished his sermon keeping an eye on this

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<v Speaker 2>man in the back row, and when the service was over,

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<v Speaker 2>he walked up to the stranger and extended a hand.

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<v Speaker 3>I just shook his hand. I said, can you meet

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<v Speaker 3>me in my office?

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<v Speaker 2>The man agreed, and they went into the pastor's office.

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<v Speaker 2>Testano asked one of his ministers, doctor Leon Gallo, to

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<v Speaker 2>join the conversation, just.

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<v Speaker 4>To be safe, rightfully so, because this was definitely someone

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<v Speaker 4>no one had ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Tessano and doctor Leon learned that the man was

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<v Speaker 2>homeless and had spent the night before in an abandoned house.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to help him. Doctor Leon stepped out of

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<v Speaker 2>the room to start calling local shelters. The man was

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<v Speaker 2>having a hard time making eye contact with Pastor Tessano,

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<v Speaker 2>so he asked the man for his name.

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<v Speaker 3>He told me Bobby Gumright.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Gumpwright. That was his real name, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>say much else.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew that he was an attic. We knew that

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<v Speaker 4>he was traveling from place to place, but didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>know a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Gumprit was actually there with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Purpose, so he asked me the question, do you do confessions?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, I'm not Catholic, but I'm like, what's

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<v Speaker 3>on your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>He was carrying a secret, a secret so terrible it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like a thousand pounds weight pressing down on his chest.

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<v Speaker 3>He needed to make that confession.

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<v Speaker 2>After thirty years on the job, Pastor Testano had heard

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stories, but what Bobby Gumprit told him

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<v Speaker 2>left him speechless.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't read it, didn't respond too much because I

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<v Speaker 3>was stayed shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Testano didn't know what to do with information like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby had just confessed to a terrible crime, a crime

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<v Speaker 2>that had destroyed lives, including his own. The pastor would

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<v Speaker 2>need time to make a plan, but in the meantime

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<v Speaker 2>he could help Bobby with his immediate needs.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, no, what, Let's get you somewhere to stay overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't room in a shelter for him that night,

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<v Speaker 2>so Pastor Tesano and doctor Leon picked up some essentials

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<v Speaker 2>and paid for a hotel room. At the day's end,

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<v Speaker 2>he could take a shower, and get a good night's sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>After we got him the hotel, we got in a

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<v Speaker 3>circle and we prayed for him, and I told him

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to check on you the next day, tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I went back the next morning, the hotel

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<v Speaker 3>management said he left. I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 2>When Bobby left, his secret left with him, and until

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<v Speaker 2>this story was exposed, another man's life would hang in

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<v Speaker 2>the balance. This is Season two, A Burden of Guilt,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode one, the first Confession. It's been over four years

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<v Speaker 2>since Bobby Gumpright walked into that church. Back then, he

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<v Speaker 2>had long, greasy hair and a full beard. Today, Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>looks dramatically different. He looks clean cut and healthy, but

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<v Speaker 2>the choices he made as a young man are still there,

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<v Speaker 2>just under the surface. To understand what Bobby confessed to

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<v Speaker 2>inside that church, we have to go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of this story. Now, you might consider what you're

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<v Speaker 2>about to hear to be a villain origin story. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be a blueprint for the making of a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>You might hear this as the story of a little

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<v Speaker 2>boy who didn't get the love he needed. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you'll consider it to be a story of strength and redemption.

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<v Speaker 2>Meet Bobby Gumprit.

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<v Speaker 5>I grew up in a military family. My dad was

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<v Speaker 5>in a Navy He was out to see quite a

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<v Speaker 5>bit when I was real young.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Gumprite, Bobby's father, was a respected Navy captain.

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<v Speaker 6>I was working on Hey for Aircraft ship as an

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<v Speaker 6>electronics technician.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Captain Gumprite Bobby's dad. In nineteen seventy nine, he

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<v Speaker 2>married Debbie, and Bobby was born a year later. His

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<v Speaker 2>voice is very weak due to an earlier cancer treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of that strength, we asked a voice actor

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<v Speaker 2>to step in from here on out and read the

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<v Speaker 2>transcript of his interview.

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<v Speaker 6>He's my only son, and I made a choice way

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<v Speaker 6>back when that I would never have any more children

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<v Speaker 6>other than him, So he's always had my love and

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<v Speaker 6>full support.

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<v Speaker 2>But his parents didn't stay together. They got divorced when

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby was three. Captain Gumpride got full custody of his son, Bobby.

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<v Speaker 5>I never saw my mom again until I was in

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<v Speaker 5>my twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>As a kid, Bobby didn't understand where his mom had

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<v Speaker 2>gone and why she wasn't around anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>My dad, at that point had decided that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>in my best interest to see her. So I spent

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<v Speaker 5>a big chunk of my childhood in Virginia Beach, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 5>which is where he was stationed. Between the ages of

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<v Speaker 5>like three and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby was deeply wounded by his mother's absence. His father

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<v Speaker 2>tried to fill the gap the best he could.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember when he was very young and I was

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<v Speaker 6>running him out to the childcare in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'd say, who loves you? And he'd say you do,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'd say, yeah, I do. I love you, and

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<v Speaker 6>he would give me a big hug.

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<v Speaker 2>When Bobby was six, his father remarried. His stepmother's name

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<v Speaker 2>was Sharon.

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<v Speaker 5>She didn't have any other kids, so I was the

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<v Speaker 5>only thing that she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Reaves Bobby. She tried to fill in the role

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<v Speaker 2>of a mother and love him unconditionally. But when Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>was in elementary's, something tragic happened in their home, a

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<v Speaker 2>formative experience that would shape Bobby's worldview and influence the

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<v Speaker 2>person he became.

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<v Speaker 5>Around eight years old, I was at home with a

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<v Speaker 5>friend of mine. You know, it was the afternoon. My mom,

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<v Speaker 5>I think, was at school, and my dad was at work,

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<v Speaker 5>and this was a friend of mine. Joey. We were

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<v Speaker 5>just playing after school. We played baseball together, and he

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<v Speaker 5>was just in the same neighborhood. And one day he

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<v Speaker 5>was at my house and we got into my dad's

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<v Speaker 5>room and found a gun and pulled the gun out

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<v Speaker 5>and started running around the house with it, got downstairs.

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<v Speaker 5>We had a living room downstairs and a sliding glass

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<v Speaker 5>door that went out to the back porch. And he

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<v Speaker 5>went outside and shut the door and I. I was

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<v Speaker 5>standing on the inside of the door, the glass door,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was kind of holding the gun, like pretending

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<v Speaker 5>he was the robber and I was the cop, and

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<v Speaker 5>I jumped out. And as soon as I jumped out,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I pulled the trigger or my

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<v Speaker 5>finger slipped. I didn't know it was loaded, but either way,

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<v Speaker 5>the gun went off and shattered the door and he

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<v Speaker 5>was on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for listening. Now you can binge the

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<v Speaker 2>entire series and here the whole story. Listen to season two,

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