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Okay, yeah, yeah, the Lowrider shows 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:14.280 up there. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.280 Yeah, at the at the at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.480 in the parking lot, and y'all had the fucking High 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.880 Power fucking records tents on tents on tents on tents 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:24.959 selling all kinds of shit. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.400 Oh, twenty thirty racks, a tent Magan, you know what 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:28.760 I'm saying. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.080 Yeah, you know, it was crazy, like uh and then 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.000 like my first like so I came up in the 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.520 Swap Meet slanging mixtapes and ship when I was like 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:43.200 sixteen seventeen and there was a record store in Phoenix slowing. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.800 Over slow Load. Yeah, I remember another one. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.840 But these folks always was snitch on me. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:48.360 Oh they had a. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.440 Tent at the Swap Meet too, but they were selling 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.320 mostly oldies in Chicago rapp and I was selling like everything. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.200 But yeah, you guys are like kind of like man, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.559 high Power Records. You guys had a I mean fucking 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.240 that's like kind of ground zero for a lot of 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.400 this shit. It's happening right now. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.520 If you talk about independent though, that was real independent shit, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.440 you know, like people like, oh I'm independent. That was 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.560 like independent really put in work creating markets. You know 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:11.120 what I'm saying. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.560 What year was the origin of High Power? 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.760 Early two thousands? Like two thousands, so I know, I 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.800 came out of jail like ninety eight, ninety nine, can 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.919 recall exact dates. And then I started working on music. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.959 I went to Odm's studio a Lot. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.280 Of Shit a brown Yeah, so that was one of 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.560 my first podcasts started. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.239 Yeah, so that was one of my first breakthroughs to 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.200 get into the music game. So when I went over there, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.520 blah blah, you know, it took while. The story, it's 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.240 a long story, but eventually I got my music out. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.359 And once I got my music out, early two thousands 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.440 was I'm starting and then building a brand and artists 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.160 and just everyone elevated to me. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.560 You know, So how many artists at a like would 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.760 you say, all together have you guys had. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.840 On the label? I mean there was a lot fifty plus, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.960 you know what I'm saying, fifty plus and some you know, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.760 legends in the game. When Little Flip had his big 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.480 song Sunshine after that we did three four projects with him. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:07.520 Yeah, I want to get you. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.679 I want to Yeah, there's so much shit. Yeah, there's 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:10.079 a lot of. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:15.600 Like random ship where I'd be like high power records. Yeah, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.280 but I definitely, you know, just I feel like it's 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.040 it's interesting too because like fast forward to today and 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:28.119 it's like being a Mexican rappers like probably the it's 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.720 probably the I mean in terms of just like the 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:36.240 amount of success. You know, Mexican. Oti's got multi platinum records. Uh, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.040 Lefty Gun plays on the Kendrick album. Like, it's just 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.160 a great time in hip hop to be Mexican. Would 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.720 you say this is like the the most at least commercially, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.400 Baby Bash had a way, you know because Bash had 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.400 like cyclone and he had number one records. But in 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.040 terms of like, you know, I don't know. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.440 I think it's coming back to where it was so 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.160 when I know, the thing we didn't have what they 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.120 have now is podcast and the internet is the Internet. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.840 So now just a regular John could go and start 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.240 a podcast and he could get it out there and 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:09.960 people are gonna share it and clip it. We're in 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.080 our times. It was just you have to be on 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.080 the streets exactly. That was a podcast. You got to 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.279 be on the streets in the jungle, you know, with 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.119 all kinds of players and do it where Now today 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.719 you got a camera. You could be at a house, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.159 let me interview you, and you're getting your voice out. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.400 So on that. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.360 Note, it's not easier to put music out there. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.360 Yes, it's easier to put music out. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.919 You got to get printed up and find it a 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.200 distribution and yeah, yeah exactly, and then you're sitting on 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:36.440 the overhead of all your CDs. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.920 Yeah, that one. You had to be hands on those days. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:40.800 You have to be either you're in it or you're not. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.359 You either have to be a rapper that's really twenty 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.120 four to seven living the life, or you just different, right, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.760 you're like basically whatever. So nowadays you could do a 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.760 side job, be a rapper on the side, and if 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.440 you blow up, you could do it part time, going 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.919 to interviews whatever. You know. People nowadays are multitasking, but 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.000 in those days it was either do or die. You know. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.279 Yeah, it's because you guys are part of a while 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.159 era where it was like you guys doing the super 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.760 gangster like South Side of Shit, and then you had 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.440 guys like MC magic and mb rioders doing like their thing, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.600 and you guys would be at the same fucking shows. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.280 Yeah, I think it was a mix of both sides, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.719 you know what I'm saying. So I had the sauce 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.960 for the community, for the love jahs, for the ladies, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.640 but then also I was raised a little bit different 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.599 or on the gangster side, so I personally was that 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.240 kind of guy, and but people that I was helping 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.719 out were also from the hoods and the stripers. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.600 Remember when I was like, see y'all's posters and shit, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.839 I'd be like, these fools look like crazy ass folds 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.320 just got out of prison, like fucking with the tattoos and. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:43.640 No shirts and shiite. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.040 You guys had a fucking wave though. Man, it's crazy too, 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.280 because like you've kind of done so much over the 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.000 years in terms of just who you've worked with. You know, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.400 I know you've done stuff with Whiz and the Migos, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.400 and you know, over and over you mentioned a little 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.440 flip thing. How did explain to me the business model 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.600 and how these random albums came to be, specifically with 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.240 certain members of Bone Thugs and Harmony, Because there were 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.800 some times where I was like, yo, is fucking Busy 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.480 Bone or Lazy Bone signed to High Power Records because 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:15.760 you guys were dropped. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.320 Like, oh yeah, we were just dropping look at it. 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.919 So man, we were killing this so hard in the 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.320 game that eventually we had distribution going through Universal. We 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.920 had distribution, like everybody was coming up. We had like 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.120 gu and like different labels, big labels were coming at us. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.320 But look, you gotta understand those days. I was a 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.000 hood full too in a way, so I didn't understand 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.360 the La Hollywood meet. At four o'clock at Capitol Records, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.400 I got an email. I'm like, yo, I don't even 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.360 check my emails, you know what I'm saying. So we 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.800 were just so focused and kicking up dust that we 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.679 took it through a distroll and the records were hitting. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.239 Everything that I was doing was basically charting, so I'm like, damn, 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.320 I'm charting so good. So all my money that I 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.720 would make, I was like, let's put on some other 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.360 people boom. So I put on other homies and then 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.760 eventually I was like, yo, I can get the biggest 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.120 artists right now. The numbers were doing. I could sign 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.760 whoever's one of the top dogs and then Little Flip 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.640 was coming off his label. He was independent, he had yeah, 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.320 so we worked out some deals with him. Bone obviously 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.559 were legends in the past, like they're they're real humble 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.600 dudes we worked with. I mean, the list kept going 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:19.800 on sugar Free, right. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.320 Yeah, because it would be like you would have like 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:27.080 this High Power Records presents and then you know, like it, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.559 but you would think, like damn liked did these fools 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.160 get out of their deal? Or like, were you guys 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.800 just doing like one off like we're yeah, we're doing like, Yo, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.840 here's a bag for an album whatever. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.560 Because I wasn't a real label, a real label, and 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.640 those days were like an office in downtown LA with 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.440 twenty people. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.360 Essentially like yo, an album, here's a bag. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.840 Whatever I make of this is me move forward exactly 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.960 like what I might got royalties that month of I'm 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.560 just making a fake number two hundred k boom, I was, okay, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.880 let me just dish this out to new artists that 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.800 I could do deals with. I was. I was trying 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.520 to you know, I was trying to get at snoop 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.160 to do a problem I was ready to do with anyone. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.200 But you know, it was hard because we're on the streets, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.160 they're doing their things at the shows. But whoever we 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.920 got access to we cut the deal and everybody said, yeah, I. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.400 Mean, you guys are making it. Hadn't been making a 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:12.120 ton of money. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.000 Though, man, I mean we were just yeah, we were kids. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.400 It was all independent, independent, bro, I mean that shit 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.080 was that shit. We were ahead of the time. We 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.360 were really independent. Like only other guy I could see 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.400 that did it the right model was those guys in 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.680 Kansas City Strange Music, and they got hundred buses and 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.600 they did their thing. But other than that, we were 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.880 doing the same thing, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.200 Yeah, you guys had a whole like roster, Yeah, building 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.040 up like who would you say, outside of yourself was 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.320 the most successful artists that you guys produced. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.960 We did a lot of I mean, Dan, there were 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.240 so many people we had, Like it was just sometimes 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.600 it was random compilations. We would put something called like 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.559 Gangster Love, you know, and then it would be all 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.600 tracks that are for the ladies, but Gangster Wise, you know, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.120 and that shit would sell like half a million records. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.640 You know what I'm saying, Like, what the hell? Right? 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.440 So it was just random even shit that would that's going. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.439 It was just the concept of everybody was on that movement, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.240 so there was not no rat. Everybody's numbers was just 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.720 going up and up and and eventually, you know, it 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.440 gets watered down in time with artists. But it was 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.160 mostly that and some of the big artists that we 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:14.760 had in the game. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.280 You know what I'm saying, Yeah, because I know you 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.880 got I mean, did you get you guys? I mean Criminal? 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.120 Yeah. Criminal was one of the big guys. So Criminal 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.040 was one of the I knew his homies from his hood. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.120 He basically, did you guys ever work with Night Out? No? 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.360 We never worked with night or No. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.400 I just remember. I just remember like, yeah, you guys, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.080 I just remember that. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.120 Like and then Criminal was popping and then he was 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.520 Then eventually he started stepping up where he did everything good. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.160 So I was like, look, we're gonna put Nake Dog 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.520 on your record, putting Ake Doog on his record. He 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.920 had Fat Joe on his record. We got Fat Joe. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.400 I mean, like the list goes on. And he started 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.840 working with Busy Bonet and producing a lot of albums, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.520 so it was like whoever was bubbling to the top. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.480 I was like, we're gonna double down on it. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.480 You know, is all that catalog still in your possession? 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.840 Oh that's the thing. It wasn't crazy because I like, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.839 I don't want to say numbers, but there was like 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.480 and the millions was old right at one time and 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.520 it wasn't in my possessions and I had to get 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.000 get it back. But take Big o' l and eventually 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.520 so some of them went over here someone there. So 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.320 it's a little bit mixed up, you know what I'm saying, not. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.840 Like in terms of like just I mean, think about 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.720 all those projects, all the scenes you guys had, Like, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.960 is that those are all still high power records? 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.000 Yeah, there's still yes. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.480 And are they on like DSP's and all that all 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:28.120 the old ship. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.280 Or some of them DSP would like like Spotify, Yeah, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.520 they're all Yeah, everything's up there to so all the 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.160 music is out there still going crazy some old records. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.319 I see the numbers still running like crazy numbers. I'm like, damn, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:41.960 you know, just algorithms. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.160 I remember. The craziest thing is when I found out 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.880 you were from Pakistan. Yeah, it was like finding out 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.480 the Santa Claus was real. I'm like, wait a minute, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:50.760 this was not Mexican. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:55.080 Yeah off on KPK yeah yeah, oh yeah. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.520 And that's been out for over a decade. It's old news. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.240 What I thought was dope, though, was to see you 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.320 stand for Palestine. Yeah, because yeah, you know, you put 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:05.440 out the Free Palestine record. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.920 I mean I've been standing for any community like I've 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.439 been standing for the Mexican community. I've been standing for Palestine, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.440 you know, Like to me, I don't look at you 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.679 know what I'm saying. I've stood up for many different things. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.680 And with the Palestine thing, that was deep. So you 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.640 know what's good right now? Palestine got their freedom And 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.080 I was like, bro, like this is a small place. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.280 They're doing all kinds of crazy things to these people. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.560 Like someone got to stand up, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.720 So I don't know, I just I knew the history 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.560 of what's going on, so I had to speak on it, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:33.839 you know. For you? 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.800 Was it? Uh? When it like it hit kind of 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.440 because you never really like hid your background, but you'd 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.600 also never really put it out there. Yeah, when it 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.040 kind of got out there more and more that you 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.640 were like Middle Eastern, do you feel like like was 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.079 the blowback easy to deal with? 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.520 Well? No, I mean, look, first of all, central agents, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:51.880 so I'm. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.360 Not technically right by. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.160 All that, you know, like it's all it's all you know, it's. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.320 This Pakistan, India, Thailand. I'm trying to. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.400 Think, Yeah, that's South Asia. And then you go up 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.800 there's China, but you go leftist gassing ta Jikistan or 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.600 the borders Kazakhstan where Boxer Triple G's from, uh you know, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.040 Kabeev and all them, Dagistan, so you know, just all 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.559 the Stan areas, but it's considered South central however, it's 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.200 but it's not really Middle East, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.520 So all the people like he Middle Eastern Armenian, I 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.600 get all kinds of names, you know, but it is 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:25.800 what it is, iron tripping, you know. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.160 Yeah, have you been back? 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.319 Uh nah, because I haven't been back, man, because Ship 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.439 and I need, I need to do a whole documentary 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:34.800 out there. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.640 Dude, if you went out there a K's and ship, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.000 it should be crazy. Yeah. Yeah, so you ended up 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.760 you grew up in West Covina when you ended up 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:43.560 coming to La right. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.720 Yeah, West Covina. Lot wented. Then I moved out to 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.200 the Inland Empire and I got to Inland Empire. Then 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.560 when I start coming up in the music, I start 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.679 living out there in Mariloma, Corona, and then I moved. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.360 To La Was was it always in the cars for 0:12:58.400 --> 0:12:59.840 you to do music or was it something that you 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:01.520 just try to pick it up because said you were incartrated, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:02.520 got out and started. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.760 You know in the hood. You know, I was known 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.640 in the hood to rap me my homeboy Peanut. I 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.920 had a hombaye Peanut. I had a homeboy Scrappy, A 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.040 couple of homies. We used to always mess around. So 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.600 we went to like house parties in different hoods and 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.920 DJs will be there. We'll just fuck around representing our hoods. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.320 So it was always in the dna of rapping, but 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.200 not to the level of like next level to be 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.440 on you know, TV or you know. It was just 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:30.040 hood shit. And then eventually when I was inside, like 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.480 you know, like to me, you know, when you're inside, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.720 you got a lot of time, a lot of exactly. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.640 So when I'm in there, I'm like, you know, what 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.520 if Because I was real focus on the gangster shit, right, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.760 I was very deep devoted into representing the hood shit. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.480 But when I was in there, I was like man, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.840 you know what if I get out if something positive, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.800 because you think positive, everybody thinks somehow like you get 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.640 out the I'm like, man, if I could rap, that'd 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.640 be dope, right. That was my intentions thinking. And then 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.880 I remember a guy in the same theater, on the 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.319 same thing. He was talking about rap. He's like, yeah, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.240 I have to go on tours. This guy slow Pain, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.360 like I would hear him every day talk about rap game. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.079 I was like, man, if I got that chance, I'm 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.960 gonna run with it. And then something came in my mind, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.320 if you ever get that chance, don't. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.680 Ever make sure you take it, don't take advantage of it. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.680 So when I got to ODEM, that was that was 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.480 the memory for Jill, like this is that connection? 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.200 Yeah, because it was like Lightership, the Brown Kid, Frost 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:25.600 g you know what I mean. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.560 And I looked at them like, yo, signed me. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:28.920 Kind I had like real hits. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.520 A lot of ODM messed up. He could have been. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.160 He had a nice radio career, but man, he would 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.360 have came up all man. But he signed everybody back. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.400 I will say I was telling sign me. I was 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.840 telling anyone to sign me. But you know those you 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.040 know people don't know, and then I was forced to 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.240 do it myself and I was the best blessing. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.600 So once you hit like peak success as an artist, 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.920 and obviously there are bigger situations that are paying attention 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.160 to what you guys are doing. Was there ever any 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.840 like record deals on the table? Oh oh, Ship Dog 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.560 been a major situation. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.360 Crazy deals, A lot of deals from big artists that 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.760 were around like fifty cents to like, there's just a 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.720 lot of labels, different labels, New York calling me in yeah, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:18.440 do you and the team Cotch Records, Alan Grumble. There 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.880 was a lot of people just so long I'd get emails. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.960 Look at I was playing on Kiss FM and I 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.640 was the song Summertime Anthem was one of the top 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.440 five to ten played. Julie Pilot remember her, of course, Yeah, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.680 shout out Julie mash music. She solid because she she 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.440 seen the buzz on the streets and she added me 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.760 to the playlist. They started recording. Now She's like, hey, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.200 all the record labels are contacting me. Should I afward 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:44.920 the email to you? And I was like, oh yeah, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.480 I'm like yeah, but I'm like I don't even do this, 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.760 you know, I'm just going with the flow, acting like 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.240 I know what's up with all the business side, But 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.280 I'm like, yeah, but I wasn't even tripping. I was 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.040 focused on the streets. You know. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.680 Did you guys ever have like it? Because it's it's 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.000 so funny because I'm from Phoenix, right, Yeah, So for us, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.520 like MC magical was that motherfucker you know, and shout 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.640 out to Magic and he's still doing hundreds of shows 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.560 a year killing it. But you guys were existing in 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.680 the space in the same at the same time, but 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.760 it was very different, like y'all were doing different shit, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.320 you know what I mean. Did you guys ever have 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.120 any sort of like rivalry or anything in those times? 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.040 No? And those times no, Actually I looked out for Magic. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.680 I did records with him, you know. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.640 I mean he was like, he's like the nicest dude too. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.800 I even put together some shows plays for him. So 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.280 he's always showed love back. He's always been a genuine dude. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.360 So there was never no rivalry back then. I feel 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.400 like now there's a little division now as time went by. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.480 You know, obviously they're trying to keep a certain image 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.840 and supposedly I might not be that image, Like maybe 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.800 I'm too gangster. I don't know. But Magic's always showed 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.600 love for sure. It's just maybe people behind it, you 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:55.120 know what I'm saying. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.520 When when Because you guys are doing your thing and 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.080 then ups records, Yeah, starts cracking right. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:02.480 Yeah. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.200 They got a little Rob at Summer Nights. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.800 So yeah, back then, so I was I had a 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.680 record take a chance on me. It's yeah, Joe Lopez 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.840 or Mark So yeah, Joel, Yeah, there's three, there's three. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:18.400 Joe's was a lady named John John Lopez Joe. Yeah. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:23.240 So I remember Rob was off his old deal whatever happened, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.680 and he kind of like quit rapping. He had some projects, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.400 he came out. It was kind of just fading away 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.480 kind of thing. I went to radio would take a 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.200 chance on me. I came with a couple other records, 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.760