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Speaker 1: So I got a busy show for you guys today.

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Speaker 1: And you can't go much farther than the injury report

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Speaker 1: space and there were a lot of times like I

430
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Speaker 1: haven't gone back and added this up, but to see

431
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Speaker 1: how many yards he got before contact, I mean the NFL,

432
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Speaker 1: oh it was it was like he had some of them.

433
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm here to how explosive and he is explosive, but

434
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 1: they created those gaps for him. I mean, it was

435
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Speaker 1: a really good job and it was it's fun to

436
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: watch because like you just see him, like you try,

437
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: why is he able to get? Why they what are

438
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: they able to do here? And they did a really

439
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: nice job getting guys up the field but I also

440
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: felt like they got the Eagles linebackers to kind of

441
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: just read or hesitate too much, and I think so.

442
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: I think a big key here is for Washington's linebackers

443
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: to attack the line a little bit more and force

444
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: him to cut right back, get the double teams off,

445
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: force him to cut right back into help right away,

446
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: and do that, and then I think in the past

447
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: game something to watch will be do they stick. They

448
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: had their talk about first round picks jam And Davis

449
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: last year was the nineteenth overall pick. As linebacker, he

450
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: got put in some tough situations and coverage last week

451
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: against the Jaguars against Christian Kirk, a slot receiver, it's

452
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: a mismatch. They didn't have Cam Curl, the safety, so

453
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 1: and Curl is really good. So what they can do

454
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: this week is insert if Curl is able to play,

455
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: he's got a hand injury or a thumb injury. If

456
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: he's able to play, you can put him. And that

457
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: was bridges and take out the linebacker and create a

458
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: better situation for the defense. But I do think it

459
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: starts with the linebackers be aggressive getting to the ball

460
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: and don't let Swift get to that second level and

461
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Speaker 1: a lot. No, I didn't mean to cut you off there.

462
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I just what is Ron Rivera and those players talking

463
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Speaker 1: about this week as kind of keys for them or

464
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Speaker 1: what they expect from Detroit or what they're anticipating. Well,

465
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think, again Swift, it's it's stopping him.

466
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Speaker 1: And I know I think they you know, you can't

467
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Speaker 1: let him run wild. And so I think what I

468
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Speaker 1: just said is probably a lot of what they would

469
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Speaker 1: just say. I mean, we've talked a little bit about

470
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Speaker 1: the matchup today on Thursdays the day where we get

471
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Speaker 1: into it even more and you know, we get the

472
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Speaker 1: We talked to the coordinators today, talk to more players,

473
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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think beating for the receivers,

474
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Speaker 1: it's going to be beating that press man that they

475
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: did not see that much. Last week. The lines played

476
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Speaker 1: a lot, so beating the press man will be a

477
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: big deal for them, and um, you know, haven't a

478
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Speaker 1: lot will send some pressure do you handle that. They

479
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: did a good job with that last week. And I

480
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: but again, I think a lot of it offensively comes

481
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: back to stopping Swift. Well, John great stuff. Obviously a

482
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: huge game for Detroit to try to get to five hundred.

483
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: I know Washington's tried to go to two and oh

484
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: for the first time in a while and kind of

485
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Speaker 1: keep that momentum going from week one. So it's a

486
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Speaker 1: big week for each team. It should be a fun,

487
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: offensive type matchup. Detroit scored, you know, thirty five on Philly.

488
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good defense over there. Obviously Wentz and

489
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: that passing game was terrific, So it should be fun.

490
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Speaker 1: Make sure you stop by and say hello and safe

491
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Speaker 1: travels to Detroit. My friend, Hey, thanks for having me on.

492
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Speaker 1: Enjoyed it. Man, all right, thanks John. Welcome back to

493
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Speaker 1: the Twentyman in the Huddle podcast, and I am joined

494
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Speaker 1: by a special guest, rookie linebacker Malcolm Rodriguez. Welcome to

495
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Speaker 1: the pot. Yeah, I appreciate you. I appreciate you having

496
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Speaker 1: me on the podcast. Now, what happened here? Yeah, you know,

497
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: I went I guess I went out with the guys

498
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: and you know that got me into No. I'm just

499
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where you know, I

500
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: kind of inflicted it on myself with my helmet and

501
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: my visor, so I hit someone and you know, visor

502
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: hit back, Advisor hit back. Yeah, but we were talking

503
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: about it on the way up here too. You've always

504
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: played with advisor, right, You just always played with the

505
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: visor and keeping out of eyes. Yeah, fingers out of

506
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: eyes from line and all, all of a sudden, now

507
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of trying to retaliate on me. So I

508
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: kind of got to take advisor back off and just

509
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: got without advisor. Now it's gonna be non advisors. Yeah,

510
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: non advisor. We'll getting used to him. Yeah, they'll get

511
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: they'll get used to then, you know. All right, So

512
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Sunday, you know, and you know,

513
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: obviously you've had a terrific offseason, a terrific training camp,

514
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: earned your way up to us, you know, starting spotting

515
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a key role on this defense. What was that like Sunday?

516
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: Just getting ready in that tunnel and listening to that

517
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Speaker 1: crowd and that was a sellout first NFL game? Just

518
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: what was that experience like for you? A little bit everywhere,

519
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, nerves or through the roof cry like you said,

520
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: the crowd was electric and you know, it was loud.

521
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm here now. So

522
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: it's like first NFL game and you know, ever since

523
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: I was growing up, you know, being in that stadium,

524
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: being an NFL stadium, I mean it was a dream

525
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: come true. So just to be able to, you know,

526
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: play my first NFL game was awesome. You know, I

527
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: had a great time. I wish we would have won.

528
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: You know, there's some things we missed out on. So

529
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you just got to

530
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: keep improving each week. But you know your performance too,

531
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Speaker 1: you know, six tackles, a tackle for loss and probably

532
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: the most the biggest thing what Dan Campbell said this

533
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: week is no MS, no miss assignments, right and for

534
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Speaker 1: a rookie guy in his first start. When you went

535
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Speaker 1: back and looked at it on Monday, what did you

536
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: think of the performance? No, there's definitely some plays and

537
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Speaker 1: you know, I wish I would have got back, you know,

538
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: coach Campbell said that some plays I could have got

539
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Speaker 1: in a little bit more on, And just one of

540
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: those things where you know, I take my work serious.

541
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, no m a's you know, it's it's a

542
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: big thing for me. But also you know, I always

543
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: look to critique myself and I try to improve each week.

544
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: And then I have to ask because I'd be remiss

545
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: if I didn't do the pre game outfit. What were

546
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: those boots? So those boots were Python boots plugging somebody

547
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: here Python boots, right, So no, I'm a big I

548
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: like some boots. I actually got some crocodile ones the

549
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: other day, so we might have to bring those out.

550
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: So your pre game outfit game is gonna be pretty strong. Yeah,

551
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: so I like a little you know, little cowboyfriend. I

552
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: like them. And we saw it comfortable. It's comfortable too, man.

553
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: If we saw that from Hard Knocks obviously, And I

554
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about Hard Knocks obviously you became

555
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: one of the stars of that show. I'm just curious.

556
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Speaker 1: Did you watch it for one? Did you kind of

557
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: fit it in? And what did you think of that

558
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: whole experience? It was a good experience, you know Hard Knocks.

559
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: They were everyone was awesome. You know. I like the

560
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: way how they worked. They weren't like always like nagging

561
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: you in your way, so they everyone was so you know,

562
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: friendly on that staff. And yeah, I watched it. I

563
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: sent it to my family, you know, they sent the

564
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: link out and you know, I sent it back to

565
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Speaker 1: my family so they could watch it because you know,

566
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Speaker 1: they got work in the one and so I wanted to,

567
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 1: you know, get push it to them early so they

568
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: can get some sleep. So you know, they were just

569
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Speaker 1: laughing and everything, and they loved how Hard Knocks kind.

570
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: I flew them out to Pittsbury that one week and

571
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: so right we we Hard Knocks was good to us

572
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: and my family. Or get back to football. What was

573
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn's message to you guys in that defensive meeting

574
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: room after you guys watch that tape on Monday? He said,

575
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: we just gotta clean up the little stuff. He said,

576
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: keep being aggressive. We're gonna, you know, throw their punches.

577
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw their punches. You know, it's gonna be

578
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: one it's gonna be a dog fight each play. So

579
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where we just do

580
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: our job, do you know, do the little stuff? He said,

581
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: don't even overthink it, he said, just do your job,

582
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: will be fine. Is that encouraging then to look at

583
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: the tape and know that, you know, some of the

584
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: stuff was self inflicted. It's one thing, right if you're

585
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: getting beat man and man, or if you're just you know,

586
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: someone's you know, more physical than you are. But that

587
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: didn't seem like the case on Sunday, it seemed like,

588
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: just like like you said, just some things that you

589
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: guys can clean up, lad you guys being too aggressive,

590
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: not assignment sound, things of that exactly. It's just one

591
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: of those things where you know, you just gotta okay, yeah,

592
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: I know it's the first game. You know, first game,

593
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: you're gonna go out there electric. But at the end

594
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: of the day, just do your job. I mean, just

595
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: do teach the technique, Like do the technique. We've you know,

596
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: taught you this whole camp, this whole time and camp

597
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: and all that. So it's just one of those things

598
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: where we're just gonna go back to the basics and uh,

599
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: just do your job. That's your message to the job.

600
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know, a different challenge this week with Washington.

601
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: What jumped out about them when you threw the tape on.

602
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: So they got they got some fast receivers, fast running backs.

603
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're pretty quick on the ends, and

604
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: old line. They got a couple of good old line guys,

605
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: and they like to go lateral with the ball a lot,

606
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: and so they try to get us linebackers stepping lateral

607
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: rather than downhill. So it's just one of those things

608
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: where we gotta be aggressive like we've been taught and

609
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: just go downhill and help out our d line. How

610
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: much more important is it this week to be assignment

611
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: sound With some of the eye candy and some of

612
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: the pre snap stuff they do. It seems like they

613
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: really try, especially from the linebackers position, to to move

614
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: you guys, or at least move your eyes and then

615
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: they'll just run a simple zone. They'll do a lot

616
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: of stuff to maybe just do some simple stuff. Is

617
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: am I correcting? Yeah? Yeah, And they do a lot

618
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: of you like I candy turbo, you know, try to

619
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Speaker 1: get you know, linebackers out of their positions. So it's

620
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: just one of those things where you know, we've got

621
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Speaker 1: to be sounding and you know those key areas and

622
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: just like I said, fitting the run downhill, you know,

623
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: letting the back in, you know, work on the turbos

624
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: and everything and linebackers stopping the run. So it's just

625
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: one of those things just doing your job at the

626
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: end of the day. How how much of a benefit

627
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: is that crowd when it's roaring like that, Oh, it's awesome.

628
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things where the offense

629
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: can't hear the quarterback, you know, delay a game or

630
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: could you know fall start. So now the crowd is awesome,

631
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're all in tune, they're all

632
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: into it, and so it just kind of feeds us

633
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: as players too, and you know we kind of live

634
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: for those moments and how big is it them to

635
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: get a win for that crowd too. It's awesome exactly,

636
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially in Detroit, man, I mean it's a big,

637
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: big sports city here, So it's one of those things.

638
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: You keep winning, you know, the crowd is going to

639
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: be into it each and every game. Well, it was

640
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: a great debut. It's been great watching you come here,

641
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Speaker 1: put your head down, do all the right things, work

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Speaker 1: your way into a into a starting and key role,

643
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Speaker 1: and I um, you just expected to just keep getting Yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: how much is that experience a real thing? And just

645
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: the game slowing down as they say, Yeah, it's one

646
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Speaker 1: of those things where you know a lot of film

647
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Speaker 1: study goes into it, and you know, coach Shep and

648
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Speaker 1: Alex and you know Odor guys like that, like, hey man,

649
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Speaker 1: it's just you know, first game. Just keep stacking your chips,

650
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Speaker 1: you know, just keep working, bettering yourself critiquing yourself. So

651
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Speaker 1: it's one of those things I come to work every

652
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Speaker 1: day and just you know, I just try to improve

653
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Speaker 1: myself each and every day. Is this also a staple now?

654
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Speaker 1: So it's also staple. I got a couple other Sellers'll

655
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Speaker 1: get somebody with the You gotta get into with somebody

656
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Speaker 1: in the stadium, right yeah, coordinate that the music comes

657
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Speaker 1: on when we've got to work on that. I gotta

658
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Speaker 1: work with the broadcasters or something like that. Get a

659
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Speaker 1: little salsa dance or something like that. But it's fun

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Speaker 1: and you're bringing some excitement to the defense. It's fun

661
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Speaker 1: to watch your play. Keep doing your thing, and thanks

662
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Speaker 1: for coming on. Appreciate you, yes, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff right there. Now we go into our matchup

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Speaker 1: segment presented by MGM, and you know it's a segment

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Speaker 1: every week we take a look at five matchups that

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Speaker 1: that I think are key to this week into success

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Speaker 1: for the Detroit Lions. And I'm gonna start with with

668
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Speaker 1: kind of an interesting when it's not player at a player,

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Speaker 1: but to me it's Carson Wentz first, Aaron Glenn, the

670
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, and why I think

671
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Speaker 1: that's keys. Carson's a veteran guy, right, and he's coming

672
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Speaker 1: off a week last week where he threw four touchdowns, um.

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Speaker 1: You know, and and you know that offense was humming

674
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Speaker 1: in terms of their pass game. UM. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Carson has a propensity to throw interceptions. Like a few

676
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: years ago it was, you know, sixteen touchdowns and fifteen

677
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Speaker 1: interceptions for him. He was much better last year with

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Speaker 1: Indie UM. But again last week, you know, had a

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Speaker 1: couple of interceptions and and you know he'll throw him

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Speaker 1: to you. You know, he's a guy who likes to

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Speaker 1: stand back there, scan the field and throw the ball

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Speaker 1: down the field. And if you're in a position, um,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, to make those plays, you know he'll give

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Speaker 1: them to you. And so that's why, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think for the Aaron Glenn can he put his guys

686
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Speaker 1: in the right matchups, in the good positions to force

687
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Speaker 1: turnovers at A really interesting statistic for the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: Through three preseason games and one regular season game, they

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Speaker 1: have not forced a turnover yet. That's pretty amazing to

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Speaker 1: think about, you especially when you talk about preseason and

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Speaker 1: some of the quarterbacks that you face and get down

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the roster, but no turnovers for this

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Speaker 1: Lions team. So, you know, obviously we talked about turnovers

694
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Speaker 1: being so key to winning and losing in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Can Aaron Glenn um, you know, put his guys in

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Speaker 1: position to make those plays, to generate those turnovers, to

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Speaker 1: make those huge game breaking plays. To me, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a huge part of this game. And look, Washington was

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Speaker 1: pretty good offensively last week, you know, in that win

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Speaker 1: over Jacksonville, you know, especially you know, throwing the ball.

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Speaker 1: They were seven of ten on third down last week.

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Speaker 1: They were really efficient. But again, you know, one sack,

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Speaker 1: no turnovers for the Detroit Lions. They've got to be

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Speaker 1: better than that defensively. And so I think this is

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Speaker 1: a key week for for Aaron Glenn to kind of

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Speaker 1: hole all the right strings, get his guys in the

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Speaker 1: right spots to make plays, and get after Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: get him off his spot. I think Detroit will be

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Speaker 1: a little bit better rushing the passer. Jalen Hurts is

710
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Speaker 1: a whole different kind of beasts in terms of rushing

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Speaker 1: him and having to be very disciplined in your rush lanes.

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Speaker 1: Um wentzs isn't quite the athlete. He'll stand there. He

713
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Speaker 1: wants to scan and throw down field, so you know,

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Speaker 1: get after him and put yourself in a position to

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Speaker 1: to get those turnovers in game breaking plays. I think

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Speaker 1: that's going to be key for the Lions. You know.

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Speaker 1: Second for me is is Jonathan Allen versus Jonah Jackson.

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Speaker 1: And now obviously you know Jona has been dealing with,

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Speaker 1: you know, the injury. Um didn't practice on Thursday, so

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if, if, if he's there. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you can just put Jonathan Allen

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Speaker 1: against whoever's playing you know, left guard for the Detroit

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Speaker 1: Lions because he is obviously, um, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: their best players. I mean, a career high nine sacks

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Speaker 1: last year, career high thirty quarterback hits. Um you know,

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Speaker 1: had a sack and two tackles for loss and a

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Speaker 1: quarterback hit last week for the Jags. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: kind of the the engine that really makes that them

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Speaker 1: go up front, and it's a talented front and so look,

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Speaker 1: he was third among all defensive tackles and sacks last season.

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Speaker 1: He was first in quarterbacks hits, and he was fifth

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Speaker 1: in tackles for loss. He is disruptive. He's been that

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Speaker 1: way his whole career, and so I think that's a

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Speaker 1: really key matchup for Jonah Jackson. If it's, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the new guys that they just signed. If

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Speaker 1: it's Logan Stenberg moving back to left guard, if it's

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Speaker 1: Dan Skipper, who they who they throw in there, who's

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Speaker 1: played some guard before and they can do that as well.

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Speaker 1: Whoever it is is going to have their hands full

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Speaker 1: with Jonathan Allen, and I would expect the center, if

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Speaker 1: it's Frank rag now U or Evan Brown, to to

742
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Speaker 1: kind of look that way and and help out too.

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Speaker 1: But you've got pain on the other side, so it's

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Speaker 1: going to be hard to do that. It's certainly going

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Speaker 1: to be a test for Detroit. But I think they've

746
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Speaker 1: got to have an idea of where Jonathan Allen is

747
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Speaker 1: and have a good plan for him, because he can

748
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Speaker 1: wruck a game. We've seen that throughout his career, last

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Speaker 1: season and last week. Detroit's got to have a good

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Speaker 1: land for him. Third for me Aidan Hutchinson and Sam

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Speaker 1: cos me Um the right tackle for Washington. Look cos

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Speaker 1: me at nine starts um and only allowed two sacks

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Speaker 1: last year. Um so you know, not bad for him,

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Speaker 1: and you expect Aden to be much better than he

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Speaker 1: was last week. Um, look, he had three pressures, he

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Speaker 1: had a couple chances and for a sac and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Hurts was able to escape him. I

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Speaker 1: think he was one of those players that that you know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn was talking about, got a little too excited,

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Speaker 1: wanted to make a play, maybe got a little out

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Speaker 1: of his assignment to make a play. And he expected

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Speaker 1: him to calm down and and and be a lot

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Speaker 1: better this week. I expect the same thing. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: Aidan's is too talented to be shut out of the

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Speaker 1: stat sheet the way he was last week. Um, I

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Speaker 1: would expect him to, um, you know, you know, be

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Speaker 1: pretty determined to have a bigger impact this week. And look,

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Speaker 1: the Lions need him to have a bigger impact. One sack,

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Speaker 1: no turnovers. Like I mentioned, they need to generate more

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Speaker 1: of that pressure. They need to get Carson Wentz off

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Speaker 1: his spot. Doesn't always have to result in a sack,

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Speaker 1: but get him off his spot, you know, disrupt the play,

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Speaker 1: disrupt the timing. That's what helps create some of those turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Um that that's Troit's been lacking so far. So to me,

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Speaker 1: that's that that's a really big matchup in this one.

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Speaker 1: What's the encore performance for Aiden Hutchinson? Um, you expect

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Speaker 1: it to be good. I expect it to be much

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Speaker 1: better than we saw last week. So you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: see who wins that matchup between you know him and Sam.

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Speaker 1: Another big one for me is Terry mclauren and Jeff Okuda.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought Jeff played you know, really good

782
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Speaker 1: last week, had ten tackles, defended a pass. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was really tough in the run game as well.

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Speaker 1: That's one guy who's never been afraid to come up

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Speaker 1: and look stick is uh, sticks helmet into into a

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Speaker 1: runner and and play strong against the run game. I

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Speaker 1: thought he was really good um in that regard. Um,

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Speaker 1: But you look at Terry mclauren, he's been kind of

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Speaker 1: that guy for um, the Washington Redskins at receiver and

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Speaker 1: or their pass game. I mean, look, he was six

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Speaker 1: among all receivers and targets last year, tenth in receiving yards,

792
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Speaker 1: and I think one of the more underrated stats is

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Speaker 1: he was first in contested catches with twenty five. So

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Speaker 1: you know that to me, that's a guy he doesn't

795
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Speaker 1: even have to generate his own space, his own you know,

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Speaker 1: to catch the football and make plays. UM and Jeff Okuda,

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Speaker 1: we obviously know the Achilles injury, hadn't played football in

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Speaker 1: a year, and I thought for him to play as

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Speaker 1: well as he did, um, you know, without playing football

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Speaker 1: for a year, UM, I thought was really encouraging for

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00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: the Lions. Um look at Moni or Yu are left

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00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: practice the open portion of practice on Thursday, um, you know,

803
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: with a little bit of what looked like a back issue.

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Speaker 1: So um you know, we'll see what his status is

805
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: and that'll make Jeff just even more important if if

806
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: a Moni can't go and they have to do Will

807
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Harris and um or whatever else is over on the

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Speaker 1: other side there. So UM I thought Jeff was was

809
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: was really really good. That's gonna be a key matchup.

810
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: But again, like I said off the top, you know

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Speaker 1: Johnny Dotson um uh is on that Washington wide receiver

812
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: corp porter Samuel who can do a lot of different things.

813
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what the matchups look like. I would

814
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Speaker 1: guess it's not going to always be McLaurin and Okuda,

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Speaker 1: but either way, it's it's gonna be a big game

816
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Speaker 1: for Jeff, a big responsibility to kind of slow those

817
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Speaker 1: guys down. Uh. You know, Washingtons gonna attack them down

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Speaker 1: the field in the passing game. Can Jeff hold up

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Speaker 1: and can Jeff have a really good encore performance after

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Speaker 1: a good one uh last week and then the last

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Speaker 1: one too. For me is i'man Ross Saint Brown. You know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about them before to really talented wide receiver

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Speaker 1: UM versus Benjamin Saint Justine. UM. Uh, They're they're a

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Speaker 1: slot corner UM for Washington. UM. We talked about i'man

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Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown with seven straight games with UM eight

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Speaker 1: plus catches UM, Saint Saint just three catches last week

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Speaker 1: allowed on five targets. UM. So you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown has become a security blanket of sorts for UM,

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Speaker 1: for Jared Goff. You know, that guy that can be

830
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Speaker 1: trusted in the slot to to to get open um

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Speaker 1: third and short, third and five, third and six, that

832
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Speaker 1: kind of guy that's always there in the middle. UM.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's a that's a huge matchup. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think Washington is a little bit better outside than

835
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Speaker 1: they are. UM. You know, inside at the cornerback spot. UM.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's a matchup that I think Detroit

837
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: can take advantage of with I'm on ron Sight Brown

838
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: just because of his toughness, his route running ability, um,

839
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Speaker 1: and it just his playmaking ability. So you know, that's

840
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: a really big one for me. So those are my

841
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: key matchups. And obviously we'll see how it all plays

842
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: out on Sunday and PJ Clark and I will be

843
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: breaking it all down post game. But don't go away

844
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Speaker 1: just yet. I've got another surprise little guest here to

845
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Speaker 1: hear Whitehead. Who's who former line from two thousand and

846
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: twelve to twenty and seventeen retire a Detroit Lion last

847
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Speaker 1: week and he stopped by the podcast. We had a

848
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Speaker 1: good conversation about Detroit linebacker room retirement, you know, Dan Campbell,

849
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Speaker 1: what it's like to play under a player's coach, and

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Speaker 1: it was a good conversation. So stick around for that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Twentymen in the Huddle podcast. I have

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Speaker 1: a special guest this week to hear Whitehead, former Detroit

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Speaker 1: Lion looked twenty twelve fifth round draft pick. You're here

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Speaker 1: all the way till seventeen. You go play an Opland Carolina,

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Speaker 1: you finish up in Arizona. But what was it about

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Speaker 1: wanting to retire a Detroit Lion that was big for you?

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Speaker 1: For me, No, this is it's been my second home.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's you know, going to raise in North

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. Got my first opportunity here. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was drafted here, It's spent most of my career here.

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Speaker 1: So it was a no brainer. You know, it had

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Speaker 1: to finish it the way it started, you know, and

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Speaker 1: you've talked about this being your second home. You know,

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Speaker 1: what is it about Detroit? And we've heard this from

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Speaker 1: other players, you know, Jordan Davis has come back, Jerry

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Speaker 1: Davis has come back and talked about this being his

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Speaker 1: second home. And you talked about Dan Campbell and your

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Speaker 1: press compition being a former player here and being so

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Speaker 1: tied to the city. What is it about Detroit? Is

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Speaker 1: it the people? Is it just what is it to

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Speaker 1: hear that that's kind of made this your second home?

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Speaker 1: It's everything, and you know it's the people. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's just the community to support. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: one thing to play football and you have the support

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Speaker 1: of the fans just because you're on a football field,

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Speaker 1: but when you're out in the public and they recognize

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Speaker 1: you and they just they're genuinely happy to just have

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Speaker 1: you in the city or a part of their team

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Speaker 1: like something you know they hold near and dear to

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Speaker 1: their heart. But what they see what we're doing in

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Speaker 1: the community, and that's what I was always a problem.

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Speaker 1: And at one point it was, you know, on Wikipedia

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Speaker 1: something that was oh white Head's a good tipperer, and

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Speaker 1: that was all this other stuff that was going around.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm like, dang, where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: But you know, it was just the support, the love

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Speaker 1: that people always gave to me, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: always wanted to reciprocate that. So you know, definitely said

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Speaker 1: the football side of it is over for you. I know,

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Speaker 1: you've got four boys. What are the ages? Four boys

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Speaker 1: want old? This is thirteen, eight, five and a two

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Speaker 1: year old. Say a prayer for him. First off, away,

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Speaker 1: all guys play football, all boys. Yet my my thirteen

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Speaker 1: down to my five year old, they played football. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all that first years. And you know, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for them. They're excited. You know, I try, I'm trying,

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Speaker 1: not the coach. You know, give them too many points,

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Speaker 1: but you know that's gonna be tough. So the football side,

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Speaker 1: it's over obviously the family, You're going to be very

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Speaker 1: involved there. But but you were wanting to stay involved

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Speaker 1: in the community as well, and I know you've got

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Speaker 1: a couple of stuff going at your home in Newark

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Speaker 1: and here in Detroit. What's kind of the plans after

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Speaker 1: football to kind of stay involved and have that community

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Speaker 1: outreach that I know it's so important to you. So

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, it's continuing to be involved with

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Speaker 1: the downtown boxing gym, you know, here in Detroit, and

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Speaker 1: you know, just being a continual supporter there and making

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Speaker 1: sure that I'm more accessible and more available, you know

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Speaker 1: from a time standpoint, you know, um, and back at home,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty much doing the same thing. I have a

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Speaker 1: recreation center there where you know, my intentions are to

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, introduced even more financial literacy programs and

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Speaker 1: you know, just understanding that health and wellness and you know,

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Speaker 1: like then to hygiene and you know, it's it's just

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Speaker 1: bringing back resources and tools you know, for you know,

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Speaker 1: the the citizens, the residents to be successful both here

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Speaker 1: in Detroit and back in North that's so great because

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Speaker 1: I know that was always a passion of years when

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Speaker 1: you were here. That passion of those started on the

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Speaker 1: football field, you know, and obviously twenty fourteen, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that just a little bit. You know

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Speaker 1: that toile it goes down with with an injury, you

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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to play, and that really kind of

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Speaker 1: spearhead it's your career. You played really well. You're part

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Speaker 1: of that defense. I think it was sixty three rushing

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Speaker 1: yards per game on average. I think that's still top

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Speaker 1: six in the NFL something like that. You guys were

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Speaker 1: really really good. But how fun was it to be

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Speaker 1: on that defense? And then the second part of it,

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Speaker 1: This Detroit Lions team, right is a team that's really

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Speaker 1: trying to improve their run defense. And I'm curious from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, what is it what makes a good run defense?

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Speaker 1: So first just that that season and what that did

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Speaker 1: for your career, and then you just identify what is

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Speaker 1: it about a defense that that that makes it a

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Speaker 1: good run defense? Mentality, mindset, grit, you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: we hear that word around to your credit exactly, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's as you think of it, and it's like

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Speaker 1: it sounds cliche, but it's the true. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a mindset that you need to possess on defense to say, look,

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Speaker 1: no one's going to run in my gap, no one's

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Speaker 1: going to run in my hole, and have the respect

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Speaker 1: of all your teammates that look, I am not to

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Speaker 1: let my teammate down. The guy that where I know,

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Speaker 1: worked his butt off all week and learned and made

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Speaker 1: sure that he did his job. So if you get

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Speaker 1: all eleven guys doing their one eleven we like to

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Speaker 1: call it, then that makes their call. That's a recipe

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Speaker 1: for you know success. You go out there and I

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Speaker 1: think it might have been with two thy fourteen it

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Speaker 1: was might have been like sixty eight yards again, but

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Speaker 1: you know, um, but like what I learned during that

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Speaker 1: season was not only did we have great talent, we

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Speaker 1: had guys that were dedicated guys I was smart and

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Speaker 1: genuinely like enjoy being around each other. And that's the

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Speaker 1: field that I'm getting here. You know, when I watched

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Speaker 1: them play, you know, on film last year and Dan's

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Speaker 1: first year, they ran to the ball. They were, you know, energetic,

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Speaker 1: and you can see it starts from the top down.

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Speaker 1: Dan's energetic, you know, he's giving them and they're feeting

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Speaker 1: off one another. You gotta have that. The coaches and

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Speaker 1: the players got to be like pulling the same to

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Speaker 1: you know. So that's the other thing which calls for

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Speaker 1: a great run defense, right, You have to have an

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Speaker 1: understanding of what you're trying to accomplish each and every

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Speaker 1: game you go in there. You gotta understand how good

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Speaker 1: a team's run offense is, and you that's the way

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Speaker 1: you gotta, you know, make them one side past the ball.

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Speaker 1: Not every team had great quarterbacks. Yeah, it starts at

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Speaker 1: the top, like you mentioned. And you know, you played

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Speaker 1: under a player's couch type coach and Jim called, well,

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Speaker 1: you know a guy that was really respected in that room,

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Speaker 1: and Dan tom Me strikes me as the same type

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Speaker 1: of guy. Dude, What does that mean to you? What

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Speaker 1: what does it mean when when when a guy is

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Speaker 1: described as a player's coach? And do you see that

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Speaker 1: in Dan as well? I definitely see it in Dan

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Speaker 1: Um obviously, just in a different light. You know, just

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Speaker 1: dance energy and everything is you know through the roof.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just bumped into him in the hallway.

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Speaker 1: Dan looked like he said he could still go out

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Speaker 1: there a lot, like you can still go out there too,

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Speaker 1: but he's put together locked up a little bit. Um No,

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Speaker 1: it's you know they you want to have, like what

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Speaker 1: it means to be a player's coaches. Your players are

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Speaker 1: going to go out there and play for you that

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Speaker 1: like you know, they they're going to make sure that

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Speaker 1: they're doing their job to not disappoint you, because now

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Speaker 1: you know, like, look this coach, he's put his time

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Speaker 1: into creating this game plan, and you know how invested

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Speaker 1: he is, and he showed you that all week. So

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Speaker 1: as a player you're like, look, I need to reciprocate that,

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Speaker 1: and I need to go out there and give the

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Speaker 1: same dedication that the coach is given. But then you

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Speaker 1: know the difference only is I mean car well, he's

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Speaker 1: just even killed just always every he always talked about

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Speaker 1: riding that emotional roller coaster. Say don't don't get too high,

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Speaker 1: don't get too low, you know, just keep it right

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Speaker 1: there and try to keep it right there in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the road, which is hard to help playing football.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, that's not hard to do

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Speaker 1: sometimes in the course of sixty minutes, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was always he did it you know, he was

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Speaker 1: and he and he allowed his coach to coach, He

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Speaker 1: allowed the players to play make him. He reminded me

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Speaker 1: of a more of like a you know that grandfather

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Speaker 1: figure just gonna come and sit on the porch and

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Speaker 1: gonna put you on game and just drop some gems

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Speaker 1: on you. You know. Dan, He's like, no, look, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go out here and we're gonna get it done together.

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Speaker 1: He rides the emotional wave, I think a little bit

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Speaker 1: right right, but sometimes it's good. It is good. Got

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Speaker 1: to embrace it. And he embraces it, and the players

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Speaker 1: embrace it and they go out there and you know,

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Speaker 1: they leave it on the line. I know this is

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Speaker 1: going so well. So I hate to bring up a

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Speaker 1: maybe a sore subject a little bit, but how much

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Speaker 1: do you look back at twenty fourteen and wonder why

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Speaker 1: that was a shot right there? That was a shot

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Speaker 1: because that was a really good defense, that was a

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Speaker 1: really good team and obviously everybody out there knows how

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Speaker 1: it ended in Dallas, but jever think back to, like, boy,

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Speaker 1: that was that was a really good opportunity to maybe

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Speaker 1: do something. Definitely, I think like all season when we

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Speaker 1: you know, just like game after game we were putting

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Speaker 1: it together on defense, but then you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: just it's a three phase game, and when you really

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Speaker 1: start to you know, break it down, you've got to

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Speaker 1: understand you can only do control what you could control,

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Speaker 1: and you can only do what you could do. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we go back and we kick ourselves in

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Speaker 1: the but we still talk about it till this day.

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Speaker 1: I have fans, you know, they send me pitches. Man,

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Speaker 1: you guys with some beastle in two thy fourteen. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, for me, I'm just happy to be uh,

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Speaker 1: to have been a part of that, you know, that

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Speaker 1: defense and the history of it. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: definitely wish we could go back and you know, change

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Speaker 1: a few things, because it's always a handful of plays

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Speaker 1: in every game that if you take those back, you

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Speaker 1: win the game. We talked about then and kind of

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Speaker 1: the culture he's building here, what he wants to build.

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Speaker 1: You think the future is bright here? Definitely? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it's bright. You know obviously, you know it starts

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Speaker 1: with Dan and making sure that you know he's um

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Speaker 1: putting you know, the people in place, which I believe

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Speaker 1: he has a lot the former players on the staff,

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Speaker 1: and I think they have a different insight, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you could tell that they're just letting their guys

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Speaker 1: go out there, they play, and they give them certain tools,

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Speaker 1: but it's like ultimately they're letting them play, letting them learn,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you kind of corrected in the

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Speaker 1: meeting room. So I think that I think the future

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Speaker 1: is bright, just you know, off the energy. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dan's been around some winning teams, you know, he's been

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Speaker 1: a part of them, so he knows what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: And you can see even in his first year last year,

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Speaker 1: you know it was rough patches for sure, but you

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Speaker 1: can tell that all the way up to the end.

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Speaker 1: They went down fighting and they reminded me nothing to

1062
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: play with, nothing to play, But it's always no, that's look,

1063
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: that's what we get wrong. We think it's nothing to

1064
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: play for. But when you're out there and you have

1065
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: nothing to play for, you're playing for your job, you're

1066
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: playing for next year. You're playing like they're seeing there there,

1067
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: you're still being the value. Yeah, it's like how are

1068
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: you are you going to lay it down when things

1069
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: are tough? And that's important, right, And that's why you

1070
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: see a lot of guys back. It's because they were

1071
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: being evaluated there now. They didn't have anything to play

1072
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: for obviously in terms of playoffs, wins, things like that.

1073
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: But the fact that they fought tooth and nail all

1074
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: the way to Week eighteen. I mean that says something right.

1075
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Can't teach it, can't teach, can't teach it. You either

1076
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: got it or you don't. Yeah, and that's what you realize.

1077
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: You know, across the league is some new you know,

1078
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: some guys do want to go out there there. It's

1079
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: all about the fame, it's all about what comes with

1080
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: being associated with the NFL. Some guys actually love a game,

1081
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, they have a passion for it in the shows,

1082
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, the way to go out there and carry

1083
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: themselves on the field. And for me, that's how I

1084
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: always wanted to show people like, look, I love this game.

1085
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna lay it

1086
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: on the line and you're gonna know. You know, he

1087
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: gave us everything we got. He got. I covered you

1088
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: through your first with five five years in the league,

1089
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: and I could say you were exactly that player. Courter

1090
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Special teams guy was always hard when you got your

1091
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to play on defense. You made the most of it.

1092
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: What a heck of a career. Man, Ten years, right,

1093
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: Did you ever think you'd be ten years in? Never? Never? Man,

1094
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even honestly. I went. I studied criminal justice

1095
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: at Temple and I was going to be a state trooper,

1096
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: and that's what I thought I was gonna do after

1097
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I graduated. But you know, the Lord he had other

1098
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: plans for me. And you know, uh, you know, twenty

1099
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: and twelve, fifth Round, one hundred and thirty eighth overall.

1100
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: You know, the Lions went up, you know, traded with

1101
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I guess what the Viking give up? You know, So

1102
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: that is like that, you don't, I don't. I don't

1103
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: forget that, And that's why I'm so appreciative of that

1104
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: understanding what went into things on the front end, and

1105
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, gotta gotta end it the way it started.

1106
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: It was a great career. It's great to have you.

1107
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the retirement. It sounds like you're you're gonna

1108
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: be busy with the boys and all the all the

1109
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: community work. Great job, great career, A really great guy.