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Speaker 2: Michael Berry Show is on the air. It's Charlie from

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Speaker 2: BlackBerry Smoking. I can feel a good one coming on.

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Speaker 3: It's the Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes it is, Yes, it is. You're here, We're here,

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Speaker 2: We're all here. I'm glad we're here. Shinner, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a Friday drive home.

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Speaker 4: You tell you, ladder look as track cent a fifth

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Speaker 4: of patrol sun Eddy blue coolers. Take a guess at

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Speaker 4: all the dodder, and I can feel a good one

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Speaker 4: coming on, throwing a W Hubbard single lound red deck other.

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Speaker 2: Any blues I had before God.

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Speaker 4: Another working week is older, no chance staying sober. I

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Speaker 4: can feel a good woman coming off.

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Speaker 2: Ye were gonna get to feed ride.

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Speaker 4: We gonna keep this higher. I can feel the brig

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Speaker 4: of Dolly.

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Speaker 1: I can feel a good.

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Speaker 5: Woman in com reremoms in a wrecked I Mustang followed

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Speaker 5: us down to the leaking.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have to think about.

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Speaker 1: That tune long.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's start with Timmy Watts, the governor of Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: He's feeling it now that ice is gradually pulling out

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Speaker 6: of Minnesota. Never mind that Tom Holman cleaned up Timmy's mess. Well,

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Speaker 6: Timmy took to his podcast to talk about ice and

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Speaker 6: the Old Ball Coach has.

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Speaker 2: Some Super Bowl predictions as well.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Mannfoda, bring it rum early because the ice is

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Speaker 1: melting and they're going away slaying with me. We're staying alive,

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Speaker 1: staying alive. I still gone and staying alive, staying alive,

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Speaker 1: staying alive.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's time to celebrate case.

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Speaker 1: Old Timmy put that through ice and they're melting faster

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Speaker 1: than this chocolate on my hot little scone. Now, I

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Speaker 1: am glad about all that, But what the Old ball

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Speaker 1: Coach is really excited about is this big game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I'm as skiddy as a three dollar bill, or however

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Speaker 1: that saying goes. Let me change into my coachy shorts

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Speaker 1: and grab my whistle here. Whoa, that's laugh. They don't

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Speaker 1: call me whistle bridges for nothing. All right, Now, I'm

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Speaker 1: calling my shot for Sunday. It's the Seahawks over the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox by three goals.

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Speaker 2: Mark it down.

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Speaker 1: Also, my prop bets full back throws to a tight

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Speaker 1: end for a touchdown. I'll just scream if that happens. Well,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the big game. Everybody, boom, My chocolate chip cookies

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Speaker 1: are ready for the tailgate.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, sprinkle.

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Speaker 6: The year was twenty twelve. It was September eleventh. It

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Speaker 6: was just before early voting would begin in the presidential

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Speaker 6: election that would Pitt Barack Obama and unfortunately for US

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Speaker 6: met Romney. A well spring of bitterness and anger can

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Speaker 6: be summoned by me when I think about Benghazi, when

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Speaker 6: I think about our men who were betrayed, when.

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Speaker 2: I think about the lies that were told.

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Speaker 6: Remember Susan Rice was sent around to the Sunday morning

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Speaker 6: talk shows to say, oh, no, no, this wasn't a nine

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Speaker 6: this was Yeah, they made a really bad movie in

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Speaker 2: You know, you shouldn't make bad movies about Islam.

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Speaker 6: You know this is Charlie Hebdo you get what you

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, well what are we doing here? You

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Speaker 6: Well, now today we get footage of the guy being

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Speaker 6: here we are again twenty twenty six, yet another thing

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Speaker 6: the Clintons have their fingerprints on yet another You will

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Speaker 6: remember the name of Chris Paranto. We had a conversation

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Speaker 6: producer all Land, Chattaconi Knakanishi, your Week in Review, I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna say this until November. Hey, it's the most important

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Speaker 2: Their side never does the reverse.

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Speaker 6: But let me say this, if we don't get election

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Speaker 6: to just go ahead and tell you right now, if

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Speaker 6: you think they were bad before, If you think January

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Speaker 6: California is ugly, the cheating in Arizona. Let me tell

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Speaker 6: to Trump, three dozen cases on his record, raiding Millennia's

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Speaker 6: panty drawers, Fat Fanny in Atlanta, Jack Smith running the

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Speaker 6: bring that case. Tax cases sexual harassment cases from decades past.

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Speaker 6: You think they were bad before. That's what a lot

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Speaker 6: because if we do to them what they did us,

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Speaker 6: maybe they won't do more. But what didn't we do

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Speaker 2: Now he doesn't believe this. This is just what they say.

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Speaker 1: There's a new p Research poll that ninety five percent

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Speaker 2: Do you not?

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Speaker 3: It's Jim Crow to two point zero And I called

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Speaker 3: This is vicious and nasty. And I said to our

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Speaker 6: It's a really cynical thing the Democrats do. But the

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Speaker 6: A lot of blacks have been convinced that whatever your

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Speaker 6: You see white people who've done better in life financially,

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Speaker 6: As far as she knows everything's a lie and a cheat.

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Speaker 6: all a scam, as Jim Crow, she's only too ready

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Speaker 6: Jim Crow. Can you imagine some poor fellow from another

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Speaker 7: Jim Crow, Nice to meet you, Jim says, people often freeze, stare,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being our guest, Bud.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Michael, thanks. I think some of my children make

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Speaker 6: I'm guessing that the people that you're making these requests

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Speaker 8: More personnel, more security officers, a third party contracting firm

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Speaker 6: Tonto I got Tonto, I got about a minut and

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Speaker 8: Yes, I And you know what, that goes back to

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Speaker 4: Damn it.

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Speaker 6: There is Baranzo nickname Tonto, former Rangers, second Battalion, seventy

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Speaker 8: Start us off, Well, it's normal day and for us

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Speaker 6: there's a reference to Bob from the CIA.

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Speaker 2: Is that who gave the order?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, who is Bob or do you think we'll ever

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Speaker 6: know who Bob is?

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Speaker 8: Well, now, Bob is the chief of base. He's the

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Speaker 8: chief of base there at the SCIA. He's a staff

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Speaker 8: he was a staff officer that has since been retired,

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Speaker 8: got a retirement. He was awarded the Star for bravery,

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Speaker 8: which I don't really know why, and he was also

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Speaker 8: he was also given a contracting job there at the farm.

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Speaker 8: So he's doing quite well for himself.

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Speaker 6: But do you think that that order came from him

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Speaker 6: or do you think that came from above him and

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Speaker 6: he was just a message.

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Speaker 8: No, I think I think he had some saying that,

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Speaker 8: probably relaying information of how serious the attack was. So

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Speaker 8: I think he has some involvement with it. But it

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Speaker 8: did come from hire to Yeah, it came from the

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Speaker 8: chief of station, which is in TRIPLEI who since would

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Speaker 8: have come from our lineup chance command, from the cich

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Speaker 8: in command. Can I say that that particular standdown came

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Speaker 8: from the State Department of d D Department Offense, which

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Speaker 8: would be the military. No, I don't know about that,

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Speaker 8: but within our own twenty five minute time frame from

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Speaker 8: the CIA, all the way after the top. Yes, it

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Speaker 8: would have. It would have filtered gone down.

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Speaker 2: Why do you believe you were given the order to

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Speaker 2: stand down?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 8: I think someone would have to do with with them

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Speaker 8: not realizing how serious the situation was because you have

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Speaker 8: civilians in charge during a military operation. I also think

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Speaker 8: that some of it might have been that they didn't

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Speaker 8: want to show their hand that the CIA was actually

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Speaker 8: there in the country that was part of it. So

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Speaker 8: and then essentially it's just bad judgment to come down

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Speaker 8: to it. And that's that's that is me being optimistic.

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Speaker 8: That's the best case scenario. I don't want to jump

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Speaker 8: out on them and say, hey, we wanted they wanted them,

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Speaker 8: being the people up in DC wanted all of us

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Speaker 8: to die. That's for Trey Golly, that's for him to

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Speaker 8: decide and figure out. Can I rule that out? No,

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Speaker 8: I can't. I can't say for sure now that didn't happen.

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Speaker 8: And that hurts when you sworn to protect the United

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Speaker 8: States and the United States in their government and you

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Speaker 8: don't know, maybe they just left you there to die.

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Speaker 8: Because when it came right down to it, when it

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Speaker 8: finally ended thirteen hours later, we had to comment deer

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Speaker 8: all in aircraft to get out of there, gothic. We

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Speaker 8: had to comment deer live in aircraft to actually get

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Speaker 8: out of there with our dead and our wounded. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: but that's that's that's at the end of the.

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Speaker 2: Story, Tanto, As I understand it.

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Speaker 6: Twenty five minutes go by and then you and your

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Speaker 6: guys ignore the standdown order.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we do. We Uh, And it was I remember

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Speaker 8: Clear's day. I remember Ty looking at me and I'm

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Speaker 8: looking at him and he can Ty pass away that

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Speaker 8: night and that's Woods, right, Tyrone Wood just this and

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Speaker 8: he gave me a thumbs up, and I gave him

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Speaker 8: a thumbs up, and we all had to run our

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Speaker 8: vehicles and we rolled out the gate, and I remember saying,

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Speaker 8: you know, hotel and our team leader getting the getting

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Speaker 8: the FS and car her. We're going. We're not waiting

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Speaker 8: any longer. And uh, what people miss out of this,

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Speaker 8: what the media doesn't capture they you know, a lot

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Speaker 8: of the media is captured now that yes, it did

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Speaker 8: take him twenty five minutes to leave. There was a delay.

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Speaker 8: They don't realize that we did lose the initiative and

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Speaker 8: we had to fight our way on foot to get

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Speaker 8: to the compound, which costs us another twenty five minutes

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Speaker 8: because that they had actually solidified and blocked all the

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Speaker 8: roads that we could have drove down, So we had

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Speaker 8: to disembark our vehicles and actually start jumping backyard walls

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Speaker 8: and fighting our way into the compound. And so by

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Speaker 8: the time we actually got onto the compound it was

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Speaker 8: completely on fire. It has been about almost an hour,

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Speaker 8: and we had to throw a lot of forty millimeters

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Speaker 8: in ages to get the fighting positions out of the

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Speaker 8: way so we could actually get into the compound and

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Speaker 8: start to clear it. And that compound of eight acres large,

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Speaker 8: there's two football field site large, so it was it

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Speaker 8: wasn't an easy path.

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Speaker 6: And so as I understand it, Tonto, you discovered Sean

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Speaker 6: Smith's body, but you notice the ambassador was missing.

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Speaker 8: We spent an hour and a half trying to find

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Speaker 8: and get into the burning building where they were. Jack

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Speaker 8: Silva and Dave who beIN found Sean Smith's body. He

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Speaker 8: had already died of smoke in elation. I do remember

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Speaker 8: seeing Jack trying to resuscitate him. I think that was

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Speaker 8: more for the psyche of Dave in the State department guys,

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Speaker 8: but you could tell he was dead by the time

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Speaker 8: we got there. You can whatever movies you see, don't believe,

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Speaker 8: and when somebody's dead, you can tell their day. And

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Speaker 8: the ambassador, though we actually stayed on the compound for

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Speaker 8: about an hour and a half, fought off a counter

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Speaker 8: attack to try to find him in that burning building,

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Speaker 8: and it was it was like a pizza of and

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Speaker 8: it was incredibly hot smoke with intense diesel films, and

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Speaker 8: it was more of just running in as far as

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Speaker 8: you could, feeling around and running back out, tagging hands

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Speaker 8: and running back in again, and the other person taking

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Speaker 8: your security position to lay fire down to people trying

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Speaker 8: to anstraw. Sharia and al Qaida were trying to actually

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Speaker 8: overtake the compound once week. I took it from them an.

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Speaker 2: Hour before Tonto. Let me ask you, who do you

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Speaker 2: think you were fighting?

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Speaker 8: Antra Sharia and al Kaite in the Magharev. Those are

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Speaker 8: the two. Those are the two entities, And that's pretty

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Speaker 8: pretty solid. That's that's that's verified that anti Sharia was there.

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Speaker 8: Alt kaied in the Magarev. And also seventeenth February Martyr Brigade,

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Speaker 8: who was the contracting company that the state department had

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Speaker 8: a attracted the local force to protect the conflict. They

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Speaker 8: were also part of that as well.

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Speaker 6: And how did you how could you tell that were

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Speaker 6: they wearing identifying Uh?

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Speaker 8: After the fact, they took responsibility for it. That was

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Speaker 8: what it was. Via via social media and then through

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Speaker 8: our contact within the agency. Some of us still maintained

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Speaker 8: friendly relationships with a lot of the counterterars and people

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Speaker 8: in the agency and they would tell us through assets

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Speaker 8: that we still have in certain countries who attacked us.

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Speaker 8: So it was a lot of it buying closed doors.

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Speaker 8: But eventually, you know, it came out on social media

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Speaker 8: and it came out as verified through even our media

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Speaker 8: sources because it was leaked. Somebody leaked it within the

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Speaker 8: agency and it came out on CNN or Fox. Huer

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Speaker 8: I think all of them actually be honest with you.

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Speaker 8: And then and then seventeenth February, Marty Brigade, the company

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Speaker 8: that was supposed to be protecting the conflict. The next

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Speaker 8: day they came out and sort their allegiance stands for

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Speaker 8: Auschia