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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 4: For Bus welcome back to the show. My name is

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Speaker 4: ty Hildenbrand. Dan Rubinstein took the boys out to the

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Speaker 4: West coast to visit the grandparents to catch some rays.

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Speaker 1: He will be.

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Speaker 2: Back later on this week in his stead.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to bring on a guy who we first

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Speaker 4: brought on for the first time last year. John Kurtz

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Speaker 4: runs the Open for Business podcast and newsletter. He is

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Speaker 4: really sharp. He has focused on the Big Twelve, among

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Speaker 4: other topics across college sports, even if you are not

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Speaker 4: a Big twelve fan. I think he comes at college

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Speaker 4: football from a perspective that a chunk of our audience

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Speaker 4: will find resonates with them. So very excited to bring

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Speaker 4: Influencer trying to help ECU win a national championship is

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Speaker 4: very much something that is our speed. So we'll talk

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Speaker 4: about that in our newsletter and of course much much

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Speaker 4: more throughout the course of the long and cold off season.

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Speaker 4: Without further ado, our guest of honor today is John Kurtz.

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Speaker 1: He listen all.

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Speaker 4: Right, I am pleased to welcome back today's guest of honor.

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Speaker 4: His name is John Kurtz from the Open for Business

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Speaker 4: podcast and newsletter. Quote I cover the Big twelve like

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Speaker 4: it's the center of the sport because for us it

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Speaker 4: is end quote. Hell yeah, John Kurtz, welcome back to

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Speaker 4: the show, my friend. How you doing, hey time man?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is a place where we can find some

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Speaker 3: Big twelve respect, and I know that your podcast is

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Speaker 3: a place for that as well, so I appreciate the invite.

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Speaker 4: Usually I do this at the end, but because I

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Speaker 4: respect your work so much, tell people right out of

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Speaker 4: the shoot here where they can and find all the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. So on YouTube definitely where the

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Speaker 3: And then the Open for Business Big twelve newsletter. You

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Speaker 2: Cool, well, go and check John out.

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Speaker 4: I want to peel back the curtain here for just

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Speaker 4: of last year. I wanted to put together a Predictions episode.

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Speaker 4: Right like whatever podcast you listen to, if it's news,

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Speaker 4: Am going to play now. I did not want it

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Speaker 4: to go to waste. John, So here is what you

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Speaker 3: This is John Kurtz from the Open for Business Big

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Speaker 3: twelve podcast and newsletter. My twenty twenty six prediction. Something

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Speaker 3: in the college football Playoff will enrage the establishment enough

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Speaker 4: It's not going to be so much I guess voodoo

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Speaker 3: But as a Big twelve guy, that's always been my defense.

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Speaker 3: I will say that one thing I feel like that

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Speaker 3: And I'm looking at the way too early top twenty

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to tease this too much, but I

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Speaker 3: a game against a top tier brand in the sport.

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Speaker 3: I think they should do it. By the way, Oklahoma

440
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Speaker 3: State does play Oregon this year, which they played them

441
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Speaker 3: last year too. I don't I probably shouldn't have even

442
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Speaker 3: brought that up on the show, but hopefully this one

443
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Speaker 3: goes a little bit better.

444
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Speaker 4: Different team, right, different team, different players, different it's totally different.

445
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And coming to boom Pickings. So you know,

446
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 3: there are a couple opportunities for the Big twelve, but

447
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Speaker 3: obviously Notre Dame gets the headline. Anytime you can make

448
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Speaker 3: that happen, I think you got to go do it

449
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: because you just don't get those opportunities and you have

450
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Speaker 3: to take those shots. And I think we're headed toward

451
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Speaker 3: a world where, you know, I mean, there was the

452
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Speaker 3: article from Ross Ellinger that came out recently talking about

453
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 3: the SEC thinking about just going totally siloed, only playing themselves. Like,

454
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Speaker 3: I think those opportunities are going to be lesser and

455
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 3: lesser and lesser, and no guarantees on what happens in

456
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Speaker 3: the playoffs. So go take shoot your shot whenever you can.

457
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 3: And especially the fact that that game's in provo and

458
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: BYU has been this team the last two years that

459
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Speaker 3: has been on the outside looking into the playoff when

460
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Speaker 3: they should have been at the very least right there

461
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Speaker 3: in the discussion. You know, last year, everybody appropriately made

462
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Speaker 3: a big deal about you know, ESPN's literally leaving them

463
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Speaker 3: off the graphic, right, it's going like ten, eleven, thirteen, right,

464
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Speaker 3: and then a little note like oh yeah, by the way,

465
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Speaker 3: BYUS twelve or so, and even the year before, you know,

466
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Speaker 3: I mean, Miami was considered like the last team out

467
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Speaker 3: and right there, and I felt like BYU had an

468
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Speaker 3: objectively better resume to Miami and they just weren't a

469
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Speaker 3: part of the conversation. So BYU needs this, like they

470
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Speaker 3: had to go do something to earn a level of

471
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Speaker 3: respect that just frankly has not been there for them yet.

472
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Speaker 3: So I think in that situation it works. I could

473
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Speaker 3: also hear, though, an argument where you would say, well,

474
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Speaker 3: Texas Tech, John you just said, has all this respect.

475
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Speaker 3: Everybody already thinks they're a top ten team, They respect

476
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Speaker 3: the talent that they have. Roll out there in easy schedule.

477
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Speaker 3: Just go unbeaten, win the Big twelve time, Like, you'll

478
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: be fine because everybody respects what you did last year

479
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: and people in college football respect recruiting rankings and portal

480
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Speaker 3: rankings above almost anything else, right, Like, that's such a

481
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Speaker 3: powerful currency, and Texas Tech has that right now. They

482
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Speaker 3: have that in spades. It's not just the literal currency.

483
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Speaker 3: It's kind of the social currency of college football that

484
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Speaker 3: Texas Tech has built up so much of that they

485
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: can probably survive having the easier schedule like that. Now

486
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Speaker 3: you can't slip up and lose a dumb game or two,

487
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Speaker 3: which did happen last year when they had a quarterback injury.

488
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Speaker 3: So there's some give and take to it. But I

489
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Speaker 3: think there are two unique scenarios that almost play well

490
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Speaker 3: to each of those teams in the situations that they're

491
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Speaker 3: in this year.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: So this could just be because I am currently looking

494
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Speaker 4: at what my options are for new credit cards that

495
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Speaker 4: can get me travel points because I want World Cup

496
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Speaker 4: tickets and it's going to cost the Kings ransom to go,

497
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Speaker 4: but I'm going to go because I want to see

498
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Speaker 4: the United States play and it's going to be fun.

499
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Speaker 4: But I am very much hung up right now on

500
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Speaker 4: this idea of credit scores, not because mine is bad,

501
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Speaker 4: but just because I'm curious with how it works and

502
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Speaker 4: what it means broadly speaking about college football. All Right,

503
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Speaker 4: here's where I'm going with this. I might try to

504
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Speaker 4: build it out and write something I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: I only kind of know how credit scores work. You

507
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: pay your bills on time, you don't carry a balance,

508
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Speaker 4: the number goes up. In a college football Since John,

509
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: it's obviously more complicated. Right, You've got the regular season

510
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: component and who you play. You've got the postseason component,

511
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Speaker 4: which is very much looking back. It's a retrospective for

512
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Speaker 4: how your conference did over the last let's say five years.

513
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Speaker 4: And then there is, as you just eluded, sort of

514
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Speaker 4: a national media narrative component to it, what people are

515
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Speaker 4: saying and how it makes the powers that be feel

516
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Speaker 4: about your conference, about your team. I'm wondering what the

517
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Speaker 4: best way is for the Big twelve to raise its

518
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Speaker 4: credit score, because if you're not winning national championships, that

519
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: clearly is a big deal. If you're not getting to

520
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: that conference championship or the national championship game, I should

521
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Speaker 4: say it's a big deal. You're not front stage center.

522
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Speaker 4: People may not look at you in the same light

523
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Speaker 4: as they would some other conferences that do get to

524
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Speaker 4: that game. So if you are, I guess put in

525
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Speaker 4: charge of raising that number for the Big Twelve, how

526
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Speaker 4: is it that you're doing it?

527
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Speaker 2: Boy, it's a good question.

528
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Speaker 3: I would also point out one of the you know,

529
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Speaker 3: I said, hey, it's frustrating nobody remembers what Arizona State

530
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Speaker 3: did against Texas and forgot that. But look, I know

531
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Speaker 3: what happened in the national championship game. But man, I

532
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: mean TCU played for a national championship in the twenty

533
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Speaker 3: twenty two season, right like into twenty twenty three.

534
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Speaker 2: They eat Michigan that year.

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Speaker 3: You know, Oklahoma was the team that was running the

536
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Speaker 3: Big Twelve and making the playoff every year, but they

537
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Speaker 3: never they have not put together a run like that

538
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Speaker 3: in the playoffs since TCU did. Like, that's a team

539
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Speaker 3: that's still around in the conference, I do think.

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Speaker 2: And the SEC.

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Speaker 3: That was the last time the SEC was in a

542
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: national championship game as well, was when they played TCU there.

543
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Speaker 3: So I think it's a little unfair how the Big

544
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Speaker 3: Twelve gets treated. But it is a real problem, Like

545
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: you are correct, whether I like it or not. The

546
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Speaker 3: credit score is not great unfortunately. The one like just

547
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Speaker 3: banger of a way that you can do it like,

548
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: this is tried and true, this will get it done.

549
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: You got to win playoff games. You've got to win

550
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Speaker 3: one of those games. You've got to Arizona State has

551
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: to cross the finish line against Texas. Texas Tech has

552
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: to have a quarterback that is capable of scoring a bit,

553
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: taking some pressure off the defense and changing the game

554
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: flow against Oregon, which I think if they had Brendan

555
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 3: Soarsby in that same game last year, they very well

556
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: could have done. And the way Tech defense was playing,

557
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: that game could have turned very quickly and been much different.

558
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: But that's not what people will think. That's not what

559
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: people will remember. The only other way, and this is

560
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Speaker 3: a part of why I advocate for playing games like

561
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Speaker 3: BYU Notre Dame, go beat some of those big brands

562
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: in the non conference if you can get them on

563
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: the schedule, because there's just there's only so much you

564
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Speaker 3: can do when you are a big twelve team playing

565
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Speaker 3: a big twelve team, Like there were two instances last

566
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Speaker 3: year where the Big twelve had some real spotlight. Obviously

567
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Speaker 3: one of them was BYU and Texas Tech in Lubbock.

568
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: When game days there you had like the whole spotlight

569
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Speaker 3: that week, and that unfortunately turned into another situation where

570
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: everybody sort of rolled their eyes because BYU wasn't very

571
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Speaker 3: competitive before that. It was Utah Texas Tech, which didn't

572
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: capture quite that level of attention, but there was a

573
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Speaker 3: lot on that game, and that was, you know, especially

574
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: people that really know college football across the country, like, hey,

575
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: this is a really good game, like everybody needs to

576
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: watch this. That also turned into a blow out, but

577
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 3: it helped Tech, it helped its reputation, but it's not

578
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: really helping the reputation of the conference.

579
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Speaker 2: Those games just don't move the needle. You know. I

580
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: had somebody ask me why did Why would you say?

581
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Speaker 3: How can you say Notre Dame by us the biggest

582
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: Big Twelve game, it's not even a conference game, like,

583
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: because that would move the needle, that would help, that

584
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: would raise your credit score, Like if BYU beats Notre Dame,

585
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: that will raise the Big twelve's credit score. I really

586
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: just think outside of that, there aren't many realistic ways

587
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: to do it. The way you have been kind of

588
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: shut off by the rest of the college football world

589
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: from a respect standpoint. The only way you're going to

590
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: do that is to actually go out and beat some

591
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: of the teams that really matter, whether you like it

592
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: or not, whether it's fair or not, I do, you know,

593
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: try to just deal in the actual reality of it.

594
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

595
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: I'd be curious, ty if you think there are other ways,

596
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 3: because I don't see much other way than doing that.

597
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: Well.

598
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Speaker 4: I think beating Notre Dame would be a start, but

599
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Speaker 4: I think it's just like again, like this is part

600
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Speaker 4: of why I'm kind of fascinated with the framing of

601
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 4: this because it feels like it's very applicable to where

602
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: we're at in college football right now. And it's always

603
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: been the case, but never more so than now. It's

604
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: sustained success, right, So beating Notre Dame, winning a couple

605
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 4: of playoff games, that's part of it. But I think

606
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 4: it's especially in the case of the Big Twelve, it

607
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: needs to be something that persists, something that people can

608
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: count on, something that people eventually start to assume.

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Speaker 1: Now, maybe Texas Tech will get there.

610
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Speaker 4: They're certainly putting in the work to try and assemble

611
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: the roster, but what they need next, and what I

612
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: think the conference needs next, is not just for one team,

613
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: but for a collection of teams to have that sustained

614
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: success that we could see on any given Saturday. That's

615
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: what's going to move the needle. And look, there are

616
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Speaker 4: plenty of teams in the Big Twelve that I think

617
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: are rising, and we could talk to that a little

618
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: bit later on, but that's just where they're at. I

619
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Speaker 4: don't know if you know Texas Tech not scheduling anyone

620
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: in the non conference is going to help much, But

621
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Speaker 4: certainly if they get to the playoffs and win a

622
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Speaker 4: game or two, that helps.

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Speaker 1: To the other side of it. If you'r BYU, you

624
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Speaker 1: knock off Notre Dame.

625
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Speaker 4: Even if you don't make the playoff, I think it

626
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 4: does raise the credit score. Again, kind of use that

627
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: framing here of the Big Twelve. I'm curious though, to

628
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: talk about this maybe within the context of like the

629
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Speaker 4: SEC or the Big Ten or even the ACC, because

630
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: it's such a very nuanced discussion. Right, the SEC had

631
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Speaker 4: a great credit score, but hasn't been in the title

632
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: game in a couple of years. The postseason record was awful,

633
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: awful this past offseason.

634
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Speaker 1: It just was not good.

635
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Speaker 4: You effectively have said, or you said in one of

636
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Speaker 4: your videos that the SEC is effectively waved the white

637
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: flag after missing the national title game for a couple

638
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: of years in a row. I know, you sided like

639
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: Joel Klatt and some others who were basically saying as

640
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: much that the stock for the league is down. Do

641
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: you think that that sentiment, though, is something that will

642
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Speaker 4: actually impact the way that the committee the ranks teams

643
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Speaker 4: now moving forward. Which is the whole other side of this,

644
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: right there is what your reputation is. But then there

645
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Speaker 4: is the question of, yeah, is it actually gonna matter? Though,

646
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Speaker 4: because we're still talking about the SEC, we could extend

647
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: this out to the Big Ten if we wanted. These

648
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: are the two big power centers in college football right now.

649
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Speaker 4: So A, to what extent does the reputation take a hit? B?

650
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Speaker 4: To what extent does the reputation matter when we're talking

651
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Speaker 4: about basically the two conferences with the most money.

652
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean they have gotten to a point,

653
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Speaker 3: the SEC in Big Ten where they in effect are

654
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Speaker 3: too big to.

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Speaker 2: Fail, right.

656
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, they control the levers of power so much

657
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: that I think we're talking, like you said, about a

658
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: very nuanced discussion here, like will it hurt the SEC

659
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: perhaps to some degree if it's an SEC team against

660
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 3: a Big ten team, you know. I mean, I think

661
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: now if the conversation is or if it's secv. Notre

662
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: Dame and you're trying to argue over a spot at

663
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: the back end, who's getting in at number eleven or

664
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: twelve or whatever in the playoff rankings, I don't think

665
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: it's going to have any any real market effect on

666
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: is it a Big twelve team like BYU versus an

667
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: SEC team. If it's like Alabama from last year and

668
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: BYU fighting for a spot. I mean, we saw how

669
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 3: by you got treated last year, not on the graphic.

670
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: Alabama was at least on the graphic right, like if

671
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: they're that and they're getting in the playoff. So I

672
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: don't think it has any real tangible effect that helps

673
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, and it will make differences for the SEC,

674
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: and certainly in the SEC's pride. I mean, I really

675
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: think that's one of the biggest things at play here.

676
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: You just have so much pride in that league and

677
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: it that trickles down everywhere. It's not just teams and players,

678
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: but it's administrators. It's yes, college Football Playoff Selection Committee

679
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: members that people will complain about, but it's the fans,

680
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: the whole infrastructure, the ecosystem of the SEC. The Pride

681
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: has really taken a hit there, But I don't think

682
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: they're any further out from when a national championship than

683
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: they would be otherwise in terms of like access to

684
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: the playoff. The opportunity will be there. There's a whole

685
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: other discussion whether or not the SEC is going to

686
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: be able to compete the way that it wants to

687
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: in this world where now the talent is more evenly distributed.

688
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, I've heard guys like Josh pay talk about

689
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 3: the SEC may have been a little bit lazy on

690
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: some things over the years because they they had such

691
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: a talent advantage, like staffing, coachings, maybe too much of

692
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: a good old boy network there, not looking for mining

693
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: for a young, up and coming talent as much because hey,

694
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: we've had the guys. We can just stockpile of three

695
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: deep that's going to go kill everybody. I think that's

696
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: a different conversation. The SEC is going to have all

697
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: the access that it wants for the foreseeable future, just

698
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: because of what it's built over the last you know,

699
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: really like two decades. They just had such a run

700
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: of power that I don't think that's going away anytime soon,

701
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: even if the Big Ten continues to beat them in

702
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: the College Football Playoff.

703
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to compare the Big Twelve to

704
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: the S because I don't think it's quite apples to apples.

705
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: But I think the one element of where the Big

706
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: twelve is at that is not being covered enough is

707
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: something that we used to joke about with the ACC

708
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: when we used to talk often about there being quality

709
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: in bulk. The Big Twelve is kind of there. As

710
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: I look down this list of teams, these sixteen teams

711
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: in the Big Twelve, and your mileage may vary depending

712
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: on how into the Big Twelve you are or aren't.

713
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: But I would challenge anybody who's a serious college football

714
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: fan to not look at this list of teams and

715
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: come back with fewer than like eight that are legitimately

716
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: very very interesting in twenty twenty six. Now, for me,

717
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: that number is like fourteen teams that I'm very interested

718
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: in for a whole multitude of reasons. We've spoken at

719
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: length here about Texas Tech and BYU, but I could

720
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: run down this list, John, and there is truly a

721
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: lot of quality in bulk Utah is interesting for a

722
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: range of reasons, but I think it's still going to

723
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: be a pretty good team. Houston is very much building

724
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: under Willie Fritz. Arizona really got its act together last season.

725
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: Arizona State with Kenny Dillingham is never not interesting and

726
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: they're still going to have a pretty good roster. Kansas

727
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: State had a team I know you know a lot

728
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 4: about is also going through a coaching change, but is

729
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: going to have a fair amount of talent there as

730
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: well to be competitive. We can go down the list.

731
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: Baylor is interesting, Kansas is always interesting. UCF I thought

732
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: was better than expected last year. West Virginia was plucky.

733
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, who we mentioned earlier, new coach brings over

734
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: Drew Mestemaker. Like the list goes on and on here,

735
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: Colorado I didn't even mentioned Dion. So there is a

736
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: long list of teams now in this conference that on

737
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: any given week con knock you off and is not

738
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: short on interesting storylines.

739
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: More to the earlier point of credit.

740
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: Scores, I think having a deep conference, which is something

741
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: that we have lauded about the SEC for years now,

742
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: having a deep conference also is something that can help

743
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: move the needle a little bit.

744
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: If you're a big twelve.

745
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: Fan, Yeah, I think as you as I'm listening to

746
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: you lay that out, it's like the dream scenario there.

747
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: What you want to develop would be Texas Tech and

748
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: or B. Why you continue to dominate at the top.

749
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: And I guess when I say dominate at the top,

750
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: be at the top, and then go win some playoff

751
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: games so they have the respect they continue to recruit

752
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: at a high level. And then that list of teams

753
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: that you just rattled off, you have three or four

754
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: every single year that are going to really challenge and

755
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: be pretty good and fill in like a really nice

756
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: second tier. And then the other teams that you mentioned

757
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: are still at least in the plucky category, and you've

758
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: got some of that depth combined with trusted brands that

759
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: people know at the top. I think that would be

760
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: your best case scenario over the next five years. And

761
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to just be Tech and BYU at

762
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: the top. If Kenny Dillingham really is that dude, which

763
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I think the job he did

764
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: with Jeff Simms last year, as many games as he

765
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: did should.

766
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Be I mean, that was that was sorcery with Jefferson.

767
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that should be respected just as much

768
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: as what he did with with Skataboy and Levitt the

769
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: year before.

770
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: Really, so he may be that guy.

771
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: Like it really might be that they have a speaking

772
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: of schedules, I don't know if you've seen their schedule,

773
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: I have brutal I've got to go to Texas A

774
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: and M and the non con They've got tech and

775
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: BYU like it's yeah, they've got a tough schedule this year.

776
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: But man, I mean the rest of them, like Houston,

777
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 3: I think it's really intriguing. Like I made this point

778
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 3: in a recent video, and I know people are gonna

779
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: roll their eyes at this and see it like, oh,

780
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, this is a little a little bit out there.

781
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Kurt Signetti is the exact same

782
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: as Willie Fritz at Houston, but if you look at

783
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: their backgrounds, they are very similar. They're very similar in age.

784
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: They they've each won at the lower levels and just

785
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: gradually brought themselves up. Now, Fritz has not been on

786
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: the complete fast track that that Signetti was at Indiana,

787
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: but he did take a four win program to nine

788
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: laslast year, and now can they take the next step

789
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 3: with Connor Wigman back. He has always been a guy

790
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: that has put together a defense. He lost shield Wood,

791
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: his defensive coordinator, to Texas Tech last offseason, they still

792
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: had a top tier unit in the Big Twelve. They're

793
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: bringing in Keishaan Henderson, who is a five star quarterback

794
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: recruit this year, so they even got a QB of

795
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 3: the future. They have a top ten portal class according

796
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: to On three. You know, like Makai Hughes, who I love,

797
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: was a stud at Tulane a couple of years ago,

798
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: got buried a bit at Oregon this year, but restocked

799
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: the offensive line like Houston. I think Arrow trending big

800
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 3: time up. And Willie Fritz is just one literally everywhere.

801
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing as Kurt Signetti. Like

802
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: go google what Willy Fritz has done and you'll find

803
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: a lot of winning there.

804
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: So I think they could be.

805
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: A program that's really on the rise. Oklahoma State, you know,

806
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see Eric Morris is bringing like seventeen

807
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: players from North Texas, like the bulk of his upper

808
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: crust of that roster is coming, including three players including

809
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: Mesa Maker, who were top five at their position in

810
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: the portal. That could be one that takes off pretty quick,

811
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: Like I think Oklahoma State has a good, healthy infrastructure

812
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: as a program there despite what happened the last two years,

813
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: that could be one where you see a pretty rapid

814
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: ascent over the next few years. Arizona, Noah Fafida is back.

815
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: He had quietly a great year last year. They started

816
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: a little sluggish last season, so I think people didn't

817
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 3: pay as much attention to that, and they lost an

818
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: overtime game to BYU early on, but they come back

819
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: and win nine games.

820
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: Fafiitas back.

821
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: Danny Gonzalez's returning is the defensive coordinator, and that's been

822
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: a place where they just have not had much stability

823
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball, like their coaching staff.

824
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: I just heard this stat earlier today that they have

825
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: the full defensive staff back for the first time since

826
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen at Arizona, which is crazy. So they're starting

827
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: to put some things together and Brent Brennan seem like

828
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: they really did a good job identifying talent and they

829
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: have so much less turnover on the roster than they

830
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: did last year. So they're a number of teams I

831
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: think you can make interesting cases for and then yeah,

832
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: you've got some proud programs TCU like Sunny Dyke's always

833
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: seems to have a decent amount of talent. He's done

834
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: a good job, not a great job, but that's a

835
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: place where you know you can always have enough talent

836
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: to go win like twelve games because they've done it

837
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: so much. We'll see about the turnover with k State

838
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: and Chris Climban, but I think the hope is that

839
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: Case State has hired a Kenny Dillingham in Colin Kleine,

840
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: very similar kind of archetype as a coach there. They've

841
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: got a lot to prove, but that's been a program

842
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: that's proved it can win Baylor tough times right now,

843
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: but another one of these programs that's won twelve games

844
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: in recent memories. So yeah, I like the case that

845
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: you're building, and I think you hope that you form

846
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: the combo of depth with some real solid punch at

847
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: the top and teams that you know can go win

848
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: playoff games.

849
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: What exactly went down at KSE State this year? I

850
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: was one of many who are very high on k State.

851
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: It just felt like there was a lot in place

852
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: and it just never took flight. It never took flight.

853
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: There had been rumors even before the year started that

854
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: maybe Chris Climent would hang it up, maybe that he

855
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: would decide to walk away from it, But just when

856
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: it felt like things might be clicking, then you saw

857
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: something to the contrary. It was one of those stories

858
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: throughout the course of the twenty five season that to me,

859
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: I still don't feel like I have a really good

860
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 4: handle on what transpired there. I know it's a team

861
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: you follow closely. Are you able to kind of shade

862
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: that in a way that us dumb dumbs can figure

863
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: out and understand exactly what was going on behind the

864
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: scenes there? Why did it come apart at Case State

865
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: and the manner that it did.

866
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned that there had been some rumors about

867
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: Chris climb and thinking about retirement. I would say for

868
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: the last two or three years. I would call it

869
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: just a poorly kept secret that he was not a

870
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: guy that wanted to go to Bill Sneyder out and

871
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: continue coaching into his seventies and eighties and just do

872
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 3: this forever. And I think that rapidly gained momentum as

873
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: the sport changed because he was a guy that did

874
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: not want to. He just wanted to coach ball. Like

875
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: he was not big on doing the offseason tours, you

876
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: know where you're going to see donors all across the state,

877
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 3: like trying to fundraise. That was not really his jam.

878
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: He's a pretty like laid back, generally sort of soft

879
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: spoken guy who just wants to go coach and he's

880
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: a player's coach, and the players love him and likes

881
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: that's what he's about. He's not, you know, he's not

882
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: like a Lane Kiffin who enjoys a lot of the

883
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: other stuff, the other elements of the sport and what

884
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: goes into it and marketing himself. That's not his personality

885
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: at all. And so I think the way the sport

886
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: was going, it was pushing him further and further away.

887
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: And I know, at least behind the scenes kind of

888
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: a story of like he really didn't like that in

889
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: the middle of the season because of what had happened

890
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: with the roster that he had some guys in there,

891
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: like asking for more money as the season's going on,

892
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: right like, stuff like that was a huge turn off

893
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: to him. And so I was not totally shocked in

894
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: that respect that it wound up that Chris Climban retired.

895
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: I was pretty shocked at that team played as poorly

896
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: as they did, particularly at the beginning of the year.

897
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 3: And that is one thing I'll give Chris Climbing credit

898
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: for it. They did steady the ship in the middle

899
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: of the season and at least became a competent team.

900
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: But if you watch that team play in September, they

901
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: were fined in Ireland, a little bit sloppy, but you know,

902
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 3: lost the close game to Iowa State. But the rest

903
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: of that month, man, I mean they lose a game

904
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: at home to Army where they look terrible. I think

905
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: the worst game they played all season was actually a

906
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: Friday night game at Arizona where I mean they just

907
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: just no efforts, no intensity, no fire. It was weird

908
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 3: because that's not really what you expect from a Chris

909
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: Climbing team. And this team had talent, Like That's the

910
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: other thing that is so staggering. If you look at

911
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: where KSE State's roster wound up, like Jace Brown, their

912
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: wide receiver one is going to be catching passes from

913
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Sam Levitt LSU too. They had two defensive linemen go

914
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: play for Kurt Signetti at Indiana right, tobyos and Sambi

915
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: one of the better pass rushers in the Big twelve,

916
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: and Obis are both going there. You know, defensive tackle

917
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: who had a lot of interest, Malcolm Alcorn Crowder wound

918
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: up at SMU, the best linebacker the case. They had

919
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: Austin Romain. He's at Texas Tech right now. Like these

920
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: guys went to. There was talent on that roster, and

921
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: that was the narrative on the team going into the year.

922
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: Why everybody was really high on him and excited. Chris

923
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: Climbon had done a good job of building up that

924
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: talent from the end of Bill Snyder's tenure where they

925
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: just weren't recruiting anybody. It was just it had gone

926
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: way to like walk on development heavy. They really did

927
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: a good job of bringing the talent level up, but

928
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it just didn't click. I would tell

929
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: you that I think the culture well still not being

930
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 3: like an awful culture. It was not like a culture

931
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: built around toughness. I think they had a lot of

932
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: talented players that were not as tough and gritty as

933
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: what some of the previous Chris Climbing teams had been,

934
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: and that that was a problem and it started to

935
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: spiral as they lost the first game. You had the

936
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: drama with Avery Johnson's family, with Dylan Edwards.

937
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Who.

938
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna, you know, try and skirt

939
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: past that one.

940
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: Now you can't. Yeah, yeah.

941
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: There was just so much that happened right away, you know,

942
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: before you even hit September, Like the Dylan Edwards injury

943
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: saga was still weird. I'm not sure I totally understand

944
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: exactly what happened there, but you know, he the offense

945
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: needed his explosiveness and just think snowballed. I don't think

946
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: the team was really tough enough to handle it, to

947
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: be quite frank, and so that's where you hope Colin

948
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: Klein can can instill that.

949
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, he's a guy that was.

950
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: Really really tough in his playing career. He's he's a

951
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: no nonsense guy as far as that is concerned. So

952
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting. Like you know, Avery Johnson, I think

953
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: is a guy who could really use Colin Klein instilling

954
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: some of his toughness into him and injecting some of

955
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: that into him with the talent that he has. And

956
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: that's going to tell a lot of the story as

957
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: to how this case date season goes. But yeah, I

958
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: think that's sort of the best synopsis I can give

959
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: you of how that all imploded last year and led

960
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: to the point where I will say this case, I

961
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: think are generally pretty excited here that they didn't miss

962
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: the boat on Colin Kline because he was going to

963
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: and the story goes. I mean, he was literally about

964
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: to take a job before he got the call to

965
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: go take over at k State. So I think he

966
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: would have been at a G five job, and he

967
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: was number two at Oklahoma State had Eric Morris not

968
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: worked out. So K State fans are happy that they

969
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: didn't miss the boat on him.

970
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: Where do you think if you can say he was

971
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: headed if not for k State? You mentioned a G

972
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: five job South Florida.

973
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: K there, South Florida is what the word on the

974
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: street was that Colin Klein was a big time candidate there.

975
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: So do you like the hire of Colin Klin?

976
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: I mean you speak of Kansas State fans who are

977
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: happy to be bringing him home, and obviously he was

978
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: a sought after coordinator, right had his hat and a

979
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: couple different rings. But what do you think looks different

980
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 4: for K State fans out there as they bring their

981
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: guy back home. How does he change the calculus in Manhattan?

982
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: I love the higher.

983
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: I think based on the situation that you were in,

984
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: it's a higher you have to make.

985
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: Now.

986
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: I know that people say, well, Scott Frost and Nebraska

987
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: and this is literally the week that Bill Mouse, you know,

988
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: the former ad there. His book comes out of the

989
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 3: story about how he knew at the time he wasn't ready,

990
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: but he felt pressured like he had to do it

991
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: because he was the native son and so like I

992
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: understand the optics of all of that, but you know,

993
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: he's a guy who was a high level coordinator in

994
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: the SEC the last two years, helped take Texas A

995
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 3: and M to the college football Playoff this past year. Really,

996
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: I think they did a wonderful job with Marcel Reid

997
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: getting as much as he could out of him with

998
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: the offense.

999
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: And he's your guy, you know.

1000
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of the most popular players, if

1001
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: not the most, in case date football history. I mean,

1002
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: it might be like him and Darren Sprolls, maybe Michael

1003
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: Bishop in that same tier.

1004
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: Like, it's just a higher that she had to make.

1005
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: And he's a guy that's motivated to come back and

1006
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: wants to come back. And the the thing that I

1007
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: like about it the most is not even like a

1008
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: purely football like on the field thing. It's that I

1009
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: think Case State's athletic department needed a kick in the

1010
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: rear end to like get with it and what it

1011
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: takes to win in college football in twenty twenty six,

1012
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: Like modernize the way you're doing this with nil the

1013
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: money that it's going to take. Jean Taylor, case State's

1014
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: athletic director, who I really like, I think has done

1015
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: a very good job in his time in Manhattan. He's

1016
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: really been one to fight the new system the way

1017
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: college athletics is and I get it, like we all

1018
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: have our frustrations with it, but I don't think sitting

1019
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: there and trying to, you know, pound your fist on

1020
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: the table and complain about it is the way that

1021
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: you're going to win. You got to just adapt and

1022
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: do it and figure it out. And that's what Colin

1023
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: Klin is all about. That immediately brought in Tray Scott,

1024
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: a GM who totally upgraded what they're doing from a

1025
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: scouting and portal standpoint, and I thought they attacked the

1026
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: portal really really well.

1027
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: Time will tell you know what the.

1028
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: Talent looks like there, but in terms of getting their

1029
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: ducks in a row, making sure that fundraising is there, Hey,

1030
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: this is what we need.

1031
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: They have a huge staff.

1032
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: I mean the support staff has increased a bunch from

1033
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: what it was before with Chris Climb, like things like

1034
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: this where client has now seen that in the SEC.

1035
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: He understands what you have to have to win at

1036
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: this level. And I think Case Date really needed that

1037
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: somebody to come in and somebody that has the cache

1038
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: by the way, to say, hey, I'm calling Clin dude, like,

1039
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: this is what we need if you want to win

1040
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: at Case Date like they won in the SEC. Like

1041
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: he's the guy that can come in and have the

1042
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: cache to immediately do that. I think it's going to

1043
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: help the athletic department a lot.

1044
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 4: That was gonna be my question because one of the

1045
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: things we speak about often specifically when there's a coaching

1046
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 4: changes alignment. You know, you could bring in a great name,

1047
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: but if he is not on the same page as

1048
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: the administration, then all too often we see those situations

1049
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 4: fail unless you've got a guy like a Colin Kline

1050
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: to your point, who comes in with a ton of

1051
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 4: name recognition in that community and perhaps he can help

1052
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: change some old ways, even if it's not an entirely

1053
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: do administration backing him. So, is that what you are

1054
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 4: seeing you here in the early going, even if you've

1055
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: got an ad who maybe is a bit slow to

1056
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: the punch with respect to where college football is at,

1057
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 4: is Klein, at least in the early going here moving

1058
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: things in the right direction in your opinion, it sounds

1059
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: like the answer is yes.

1060
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: But uh, that would be cool if you're a State

1061
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: fan to hear that.

1062
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think so, Like I think you should.

1063
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: You should take comfort in that fact that there is

1064
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: one a lot of support for him, because the other

1065
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: thing about it is if you're if you're trying to

1066
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: round up money, you need somebody that people believe in

1067
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: like case, State I think has more nil punch than

1068
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: what the typical outsider would guess. But it's not going

1069
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: to just come freely and willingly for no reason. Like

1070
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: I'll make this point. I mean, drum Tang just got

1071
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: fired as the basketball coach, But the last two years

1072
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: he had, I mean two years ago he had top

1073
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: five to ten nil money in the country. This past

1074
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: year was at least top fifteen to twenty. The results

1075
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: were terrible, but people believed in him after the first

1076
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: two years, got behind him, really supported him. Who as

1077
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: a case state donor, is going to be like, no,

1078
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm going to pass on supporting the guy who is

1079
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: a Heisman finalist, has his name in the Ring of Honor,

1080
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: and like almost took us to a national championship game.

1081
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 3: Like that's the guy who has the value to just

1082
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: rally everybody. When things were getting a little bit stale,

1083
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: people were concerned. The fan base was really divided with

1084
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 3: the Chris Climbing situation, and it got a bit nasty

1085
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: toward the end of it. I mean, you saw his

1086
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: emotional press conference after the Utah game where he was

1087
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: talking about I think I deserve a little bit of respect,

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Speaker 3: Like things are pretty fractured and now total unity, like

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00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: everybody's behind this with Colin being the driving force. I

1090
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: think the one thing I would say is I think

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Speaker 3: Colin will have to learn what he can and can't delegate,

1092
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: like what he needs to delegate, Like you you have

1093
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: to be so much more of a CEO in this role.

1094
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to pick and choose your spots and

1095
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: what you can't do, but all indications are right now

1096
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: it's been total full steam ahead. He's got his hand

1097
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: and basically everything, and it is pulling everything in the

1098
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: right direction.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion.

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00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: Doesn't guarantee success, obviously, but I like the way things

1101
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: are modernized and changed since he took the job.

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Speaker 4: As you're describing this, I'm a struggling New York Giants

1103
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: fan as well when I'm not a college football guy,

1104
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: and it sounds a lot like what the Giants are

1105
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: going through with John Harbaugh right now. How it was

1106
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 4: a program that's been terrible over recent memory and they

1107
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: needed somebody to come in there with the sway that

1108
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: could change things around. And well, you know, we'll see

1109
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: if it works or not, but if it works for

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Speaker 4: k State, that would be incredible. John Curse. The final

1111
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: thing here that I wanted to ask you about, because

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Speaker 4: I know you also mentioned this out on your YouTube channel,

1113
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 4: but the inclusion now of North Dakota State at the

1114
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Speaker 4: FBS level is crazy fascinating for a million different reasons.

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Speaker 4: You took it a step further though, and I guess

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00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: charted maybe the longer term course for North Dakota State,

1117
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: and you wondered at least haphazardly about whether or not

1118
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 4: it could end up with them eventually joining a bigger conference,

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Speaker 4: say the Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, I am fascinated by this, Like

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Speaker 3: I love that North Dakota State is doing this. Kudos

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00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: in respect to them for realizing that, like it's now

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Speaker 3: or never, like if you're you've got a chance here,

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Speaker 3: And this is sort of the path that I charted

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00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 3: forward for North Dakota State. Like, if you want any

1126
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: shot of being a part of like the next iteration

1127
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: of college football whatever that is going to be, like,

1128
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: you better try and jump on the lifeboat now or

1129
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: musical chairs.

1130
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Speaker 4: Right, you gotta get yeah, like it State's Joan in

1131
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: the mac because of it.

1132
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Speaker 3: Right, you just want d yes exactly like you got

1133
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: to take your shot. And they I mean, I think

1134
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 3: looking at the success of like James Madison for instance,

1135
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: is a very it has to be a really enticing

1136
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: thing for them. James Madison did not win near to

1137
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: the level that North Dakota State did in FCS and

1138
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: it took them like four years to get to the

1139
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: College Football Playoffs. So of course you got to look

1140
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: at that and say, hey, we've gotten until twenty thirty

1141
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 3: twenty thirty one, ish, you know, when things are really

1142
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: going to change, can we be a team that propels

1143
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: ourselves into the college football Playoff? By that point, it

1144
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: makes all the sense in the world as to why

1145
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: they would do that. Now, I don't know that they

1146
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: wind up being a fit as a team that fits

1147
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 3: into like what the Big twelve currently is like as

1148
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: we think of it.

1149
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: But my wondering out loud.

1150
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: There is like, Okay, if it turns into a super

1151
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: league and it's a more tight super league, that's just

1152
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: like your AFC NFC thing with Big ten SEC. Maybe

1153
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: they add the big brands from the ACC and like

1154
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: Notre Dame hops up and joins one, and then you

1155
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: just sort of have this like best of the rest

1156
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: conference that's there, and that becomes more or less the

1157
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: Big Twelve. At that point, the ACC would be a

1158
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: bit decimated. Maybe that still has the Big twelve label

1159
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: on it, maybe it changes into something else. But like

1160
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: if North Dakota State five years from now has been

1161
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 3: to a couple of playoffs and has built its program

1162
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: up at the at the level that they're at right now,

1163
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: could they be a part of that? Like sure, I

1164
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: think that's very much possible. And I mean, look, I've

1165
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: already seen them beat Iowa State, Kansas, and k.

1166
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: You're familiar with their brand of work.

1167
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 3: I am very familiar with their work, not just because

1168
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: Chris Cleman came from North Dakota State, but because in

1169
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen I sat there and watched them do it

1170
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: the first game after Case States Big twelve Championship season

1171
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: with Colin Klein. I watched them win in Manhattan. So

1172
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: I have seen them do it, and that just that

1173
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: strikes me as a place that is going to throw

1174
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: its full weight behind this. And speaking of things that

1175
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: will galvanize donors to make sure you have everything you need,

1176
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: like shooting this shot, I think they'll give it their

1177
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: best effort, and I'm just really interested. I love it

1178
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 3: for college football's sake, because they have so much name

1179
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: value too that I think will really help them name

1180
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: id across the sport. I just can't wait to see

1181
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 3: how this is going to go for them.

1182
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: I think I also saw and I could be wrong

1183
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: about this, so forgive me out there if you're listening,

1184
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 4: and I am.

1185
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: But.

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00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: Because of the little hot war going on between Notre

1187
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: Dame and USC, USC needs a game Week one, and

1188
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: that team could be North Dakota State, which could be

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 4: kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: That would be pretty fun just to get that. I

1191
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: would expect us he would win that game.

1192
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: But North Dakota State, a much discussed FBS newcomer going

1193
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 4: on the road taking on us would be kind of cool.

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00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: Are you telling me we're going to see Lincoln Riley

1195
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: and the Fargo Dome eventually? Maybe?

1196
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: Although I don't know if he likes to leave the

1197
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: state of California. But have you been to the Fargo Dome?

1198
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Speaker 4: By the way, have you ever been up there?

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Speaker 3: I have been to the Fargo Dome. It's an interesting story,

1200
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 3: not for a game. I interviewed for a job there

1201
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: like eleven years ago, something like that. It was like

1202
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: the number two play by play gig at North Dakota State,

1203
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: so I got the whole tour of the Fargo Dome.

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00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: So I have been there.

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Speaker 4: Dan and I went up for a playoff game. People

1206
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: who listened to the show heard me mention this probably

1207
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 4: a thousand times already. But unlike any college football setting

1208
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: I've ever been to, it was more akin to like

1209
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 4: minor league hockey or a rodeo or a monster truck rally.

1210
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 4: I mean it was loud, it was intense, and that's

1211
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: going to be an imposing venue for anybody who has

1212
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: to visit in the Mountain West or really otherwise. I mean,

1213
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 4: it's loud in there, and they know what they're doing.

1214
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: There's a reason why that program is so successful, and

1215
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 4: I think it's driven to large part by the fact

1216
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: that it's just a very unique setting for a game.

1217
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: It's you got to be on your game up there

1218
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 4: because it is loud. It is really freaking loud. Yeah.

1219
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Were you guys there for a playoff game?

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Speaker 4: We saw them play Colgate. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, back

1221
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 4: in like twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that checks out.

1222
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 4: Definitely on brand for the soliverbal love that.

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Speaker 2: John Kurtz a pleasure as always.

1224
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: Again remind the fine folks one more time where they

1225
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 4: can find all your work.

1226
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.

1227
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: So check out the Open for Business Big twelve podcast

1228
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: with John Kurtz on YouTube. You can also find it

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00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: on your podcast platforms if you would prefer to go

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Speaker 3: That's ofbnews dot com to sign up for that, and

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Speaker 3: I also do have an OFB college Football channel for

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: some national college football talk.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, man, Well, I'm glad we were able to do this.

1237
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 4: I know Dan sends his best. He's bummed he wasn't

1238
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: able to be part of this, but we'll bring him

1239
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 4: on next time.

1240
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: All right.

1241
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, sounds great. Send my best to Dan.

1242
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate it as always high and let the record

1243
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: show that I restrain myself and made zero pop punk

1244
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: references on this.

1245
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: Ah, we got change that next time.

1246
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Next time, we'll get it.

1247
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: I'll all come next time. All right.

1248
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: There you go for Bolerhood John Kurtz, go and check

1249
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 4: him out. He does an awesome job with all of

1250
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: his content, be it out on YouTube or his podcast

1251
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: or his newsletter. Always a pleasure to speak with him

1252
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 4: and get his insight on what's going on in the

1253
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: Big Twelve. As I said at the top, Dan will

1254
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: be back on our our next episode. In the meantime,

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00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,640
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1262
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: In the meantime, for that guy Dan way over there not.

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Speaker 4: On this episode, for myself tie over here in Eastern PA.

1264
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for downloading, for listening, for supporting

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Speaker 4: what we do. We'll catch you all on Thursday. In

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