WEBVTT - Ep 100: Jarvis Cocker

0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't listen to that many podcasts. I know they're

0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the new thing, and I know this one is legendary.

0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Now we're talking, right, That's how we want to be

0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.520
<v Speaker 2>introducing this podcast every single week. It's taken us one

0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.799
<v Speaker 2>hundred episodes to manage to get somebody to say something

0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.160
<v Speaker 2>nice about the podcast, and then, in a way that's

0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.600
<v Speaker 2>quite out of context, edit it and make it sound

0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.720
<v Speaker 2>like they weren't being a little bit sarcastic. But we

0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.280
<v Speaker 2>will take it. Thank you for downloading episode one hundred

0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.120
<v Speaker 2>of Midnight Chats. It's hard to know whether Greg or

0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought we'd get to one hundred episodes. In many ways,

0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I think we probably did, because we're very stubborn people

0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.120
<v Speaker 2>and we tend to carry on making things regardless of

0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the demand for it. But I am happy to say

0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.160
<v Speaker 2>that we have had lots of listeners and lots of

0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.639
<v Speaker 2>incredible guests on this podcast, far more than we were

0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.279
<v Speaker 2>ever planning on having our hope to have. So thank

0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you to everyone that has ever been on Midnight Chat,

0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and to you for listening, even if this is your

0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.640
<v Speaker 2>very first time here. There are all these other episodes

0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that you can go back and explore. But if you're

0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.360
<v Speaker 2>only here for Javiskoka, that's completely understandable. A great guest

0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.480
<v Speaker 2>for us to have to mark one hundred episodes. I

0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.479
<v Speaker 2>spoke to Jarvis. When was it. It was two days

0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.720
<v Speaker 2>after his birthday, I think, is what I say in

0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the recording. So it was in September time, end of

0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.880
<v Speaker 2>September time, and we had a great chat over Zoom.

0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you to Javis, not just for coming on, but

0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:39.280
<v Speaker 2>for recording his voice in such an incredible quality. He

0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.279
<v Speaker 2>had a great recorder. So this episode I think sounds

0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.880
<v Speaker 2>particularly good, especially on Jarvis's side. We had a good chat.

0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.080
<v Speaker 2>It's quite a long the one. This one. I just figured, hey,

0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.920
<v Speaker 2>we've got Javiskocker, so let's just get it all in there. Also,

0:01:54.360 --> 0:02:00.520
<v Speaker 2>he is extremely funny and dry and just a good conversationalist.

0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.000
<v Speaker 2>You obviously know who Javis Cocker is best known for pulp,

0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.680
<v Speaker 2>but also a broadcaster and a writer and lots of

0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.400
<v Speaker 2>other things during Lockdown. Earlier on in the year, he

0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.440
<v Speaker 2>released an album with his new band, jav Is. It's

0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.760
<v Speaker 2>called Beyond the Pale, and I believe and I will

0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.080
<v Speaker 2>stand by this, I'm sure in years to come. I

0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.480
<v Speaker 2>think it features what is the best track released in

0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty called house Music All Night Long. We talk

0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about that in the podcast and a

0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.640
<v Speaker 2>load of other nonsense. Really, it's quite a rambling, loose conversation,

0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.080
<v Speaker 2>so let's get into it. I hope you enjoy it.

0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for letting us get to one hundred, and

0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.799
<v Speaker 2>hopefully there will be many, many more. Here is Jarvis

0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Cocker number one hundred of a legendary podcast, Bid Night

0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Chats by a Loud and Quiet. So we're recording this

0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.920
<v Speaker 2>on a Monday. On Saturday, it was your birthday. Happy birthday.

0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Well thank you. Yeah, Now I had a very good birthday.

0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.120
<v Speaker 2>What did you get out to?

0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Cycled to Richmond Park and I I had a real

0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.160
<v Speaker 1>desire to see some animals, but not in a zoo

0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.160
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, you know, because I mean, we've

0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.240
<v Speaker 1>been like animals in a zoo for the last couple

0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of months. I wanted to see animals just wandering around

0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.600
<v Speaker 1>doing their own business. And I remembered that there are

0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:30.560
<v Speaker 1>deer in Richmond Park. So me and my girlfriend cycled

0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.840
<v Speaker 1>down to Richmond Park and it was brilliant because as

0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.360
<v Speaker 1>soon as we went through the gates, there was a

0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.360
<v Speaker 1>big herd of deer, just like waiting, like a like

0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a kind of reception committee.

0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.960
<v Speaker 2>They knew you were coming, they knew that you wanted

0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:44.520
<v Speaker 2>to see them.

0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Kind of. Yeah, and so you're supposed to keep like

0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty meters away, but I thought I've had enough of

0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.320
<v Speaker 1>safe distance. I believe in it for humans, but with

0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.600
<v Speaker 1>deer it's different. So I went and I didn't get

0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.680
<v Speaker 1>super close, but I kind of laid down near them.

0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>There's a great photo on your Instagram of you with

0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the deer in fact that I saw there.

0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.280
<v Speaker 1>You go, that's that's that's the nearest I could get.

0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I did a similar I went on holiday a

0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.880
<v Speaker 2>week before last to Cornwall and I did a similar

0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.160
<v Speaker 2>photok a similar photo, but I was in front of

0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.719
<v Speaker 2>some cow. It wasn't as it wasn't as glamorous. It

0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>was just some cows. But I was quite in there

0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.279
<v Speaker 2>with them. It felt and it did feel nice to

0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.400
<v Speaker 2>be surrounded by animals and being seeing some animals.

0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't know why. I think it must be

0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:38.240
<v Speaker 1>an instinctive thing, because because we're having to think about

0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:44.360
<v Speaker 1>every single human interaction, the idea of being an animal

0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:49.200
<v Speaker 1>just wandering around in your herd, or flock or whatever

0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.720
<v Speaker 1>seems appealing. I think it came from and something I'd

0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.160
<v Speaker 1>seen on Instagram that a friend of mine was in

0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.960
<v Speaker 1>crete and they were driving over a mountain and then

0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.760
<v Speaker 1>they had to stop because there were goats blocking the road.

0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.400
<v Speaker 1>And then the goats came and they were like putting

0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.919
<v Speaker 1>the head inside the car and like looking, and for

0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.440
<v Speaker 1>some reason I just thought, Oh, that seems really nice.

0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of an encounter with nature that doesn't seem dangerous.

0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.039
<v Speaker 1>It seems just seems just pleasurable and pleasant. So I

0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:26.479
<v Speaker 1>think that's what inspired it, really.

0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And how are you generally with birthdays? Are you a

0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.159
<v Speaker 2>fan of birthdays? Do you run a mile from them?

0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.360
<v Speaker 2>What's your relationship with them?

0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Mike? I, yeah, I have been bad well in the

0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.960
<v Speaker 1>three weeks leading up to a birthday, I tend to

0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.360
<v Speaker 1>get into some kind of dark mood. And I've always

0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.799
<v Speaker 1>been like that. I mean, like, there was one birthday

0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.200
<v Speaker 1>when I went to a graveyard that was a long

0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:01.280
<v Speaker 1>time ago, honestly, that's true. Was I think that was

0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.200
<v Speaker 1>something like my twenty first birthday or something like that.

0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.839
<v Speaker 2>That's a big one. That's a big birthday to be

0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.920
<v Speaker 2>spending in a graveyard. But I think in a weird way,

0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.720
<v Speaker 2>those big, those milestone birthdays are sometimes the ones that

0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of make you feel the darkest, if you know

0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:18.520
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I generally get a mood. And that's why this

0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.320
<v Speaker 1>year was better, because I know that I've got that

0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of tendency to go towards the dark side and

0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:37.040
<v Speaker 1>get it myde down in thoughts about mortality and stuff

0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. But I didn't go there this year, so

0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of pleased.

0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you an easy person to buy gifts for?

0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I would say probably not.

0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean what, Yeah, I'm just thinking what would

0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I get you? What would I buy? I don't know what?

0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you do a list? Do you do a list

0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:54.680
<v Speaker 2>for people?

0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:55.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not Christmas?

0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I know, right, But my mum is

0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.599
<v Speaker 2>like a real stick for a list. And it's actually

0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.159
<v Speaker 2>got to a point where, which sounds quite nice, but

0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.520
<v Speaker 2>it's not actually quite She's she's so organized about it.

0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.119
<v Speaker 2>She's taken any of the fun out of it. Where

0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you send her a list and we're one step away

0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.960
<v Speaker 2>from her just putting some money into my bank account.

0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's how bad it's got. But she won't

0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.240
<v Speaker 2>buy something without like my absence, without me telling her

0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:22.120
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I want.

0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, you know, I suppose I can see the

0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.200
<v Speaker 1>logic in that, but I don't know. I like, I

0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:35.640
<v Speaker 1>really like buying gifts for other people. I like that

0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.960
<v Speaker 1>thing of thinking about someone and then trying to find

0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:45.680
<v Speaker 1>something that really suits that person. Or I mean, I

0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I always get it right. Maybe sometimes

0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I've come up with the perfect president and

0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the person's thinking, what the focks he brought me here?

0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But I I like that idea. But I think probably

0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I am a bit difficult to buy for because some

0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.800
<v Speaker 1>quite particular. So I guess that's a bit intimidating when

0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.000
<v Speaker 1>you come to buying at present.

0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's nothing more disappointing then having bought someone a gift,

0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.600
<v Speaker 2>thinking they're going to love it, and being really excited

0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.440
<v Speaker 2>about giving it to them, and then you can just

0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.160
<v Speaker 2>tell when they're pretending that they like it more than

0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:20.840
<v Speaker 2>they like it.

0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, but I didn't have to do that this year.

0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.640
<v Speaker 1>It was a good birthday this year. I had at

0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.600
<v Speaker 1>one point I had grandiose ideas for it because I

0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.959
<v Speaker 1>was fifty seven. So I came up with this Heinz concept.

0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, Heines. Their trademark is fifty seven varieties.

0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.760
<v Speaker 1>So I thought, well, I'll invite people. That's one of

0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the reasons why I'm down here in London. I thought, well,

0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I'll come to London because there's quite a few people

0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that haven't seen for a long time because of the

0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.800
<v Speaker 1>lockdown and everything, and restrictions seem to have been eased little.

0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.400
<v Speaker 1>So maybe we could meet out in a garden and

0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.800
<v Speaker 1>we could have a picnic, and all the food on

0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the picnic would be Hinz products. But then when I

0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.400
<v Speaker 1>actually looked at what Hinds made, once you get past

0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.880
<v Speaker 1>tomato ketchup beans and tomato soup, it starts to get

0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty rank really quickly, and you probably would have a

0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of people being physically ill if they had to

0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.560
<v Speaker 1>eat nothing that hind stuff for a whole meal. So

0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I was quite lucky that they brought in the rule

0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of six and kind of put paid to any idea

0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of a social gathering.

0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they saved your blushes for that because and your guests.

0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.000
<v Speaker 1>They saved your guests. Really. Yeah, Actually, no one would

0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.720
<v Speaker 1>ever have come to a party that I gave. Ever again,

0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm just trying to think what else?

0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know the beans catch up and the soup, well,

0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean what else?

0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:03.679
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you got salad? Cream is okay? Sandwich

0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.120
<v Speaker 1>spread divides people. Some people like it, some people say

0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it looks like someone's being sick on a slice of bread.

0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.040
<v Speaker 1>You used to have those things called toastoppers. They were

0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.040
<v Speaker 1>really horrible. You're probably too young to remember.

0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:18.920
<v Speaker 2>What's what's the toastopper?

0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Toastopper was a small tin and you opened it and then,

0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.480
<v Speaker 1>as the name suggests, you would put it on a

0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.640
<v Speaker 1>slice of toast and then put it back under the grill,

0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.600
<v Speaker 1>so it was making a kind of pizza like thing.

0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.520
<v Speaker 1>But what used to happen was then you took it

0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.120
<v Speaker 1>out from under the grill and it would it would

0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.040
<v Speaker 1>develop like a kind of skin on top of it,

0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like like you know, like you get a skin on

0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.520
<v Speaker 1>top of a rice pudding. And then you would buy

0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.680
<v Speaker 1>into it, and this kind of lava, molten lava hot

0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff would ooze through the the the breech in the

0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.000
<v Speaker 1>skin and burn your the roof of your mouth immediately,

0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.240
<v Speaker 1>really horrible and really vile flavor as well, And that

0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.440
<v Speaker 1>really did look like sick.

0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well this is this is already an education

0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.640
<v Speaker 2>for me. Do they still make that? They still make

0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:14.319
<v Speaker 2>toast toppers?

0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.720
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think. I mean, there are probably websites

0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.440
<v Speaker 1>devoted to it because you find that, don't you With

0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.720
<v Speaker 1>discontinued foods, You'll find they're still made in some weird country,

0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and then people will be important it. I think I

0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's been discontinued, but maybe after this podcast is

0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.040
<v Speaker 1>broadcast we'll find out differently.

0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you were up in the Peak district for

0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the majority of the last few months.

0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Was that?

0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that sounds like was that a nice place

0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to be during the you know, the the lock in?

0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, because that's a place I've been visiting

0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.079
<v Speaker 1>quite a lot. It's quite near to Sheffield. That's how

0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I first got to know the Peak from going on

0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.120
<v Speaker 1>family outings as a kid, which I hated at the time,

0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.760
<v Speaker 1>but then in later life kind of came to appreciate it.

0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:17.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean it's the countryside, so you couldn't

0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.920
<v Speaker 1>really tell that anything different was happening. It was funny.

0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I realized that for a good two months I saw

0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.000
<v Speaker 1>more sheep than people, and that's definitely the first time

0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.640
<v Speaker 1>ever in my life that has occurred. You know that

0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I was hanging out with sheep more than other humans.

0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you? How are you generally with your own company?

0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm much better than I used to be. I used

0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to hate it as a kid, and as a younger person,

0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't stand to be on my own in a

0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.199
<v Speaker 1>house who I would start to freak out and I

0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.840
<v Speaker 1>would just have to go out on any kind of

0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.480
<v Speaker 1>pretext just to be with other people. I didn't like

0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to be left alone with my own thoughts. I don't know,

0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:15.200
<v Speaker 1>it just wasn't comfortable with it. So I've come a

0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.800
<v Speaker 1>long way. I'm okay now. I think it's a thing

0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that you really have to grapple with, and I think

0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it's because it's like that, it's basically like the foundations

0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.560
<v Speaker 1>for all your other kind of social interactions. If you

0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.880
<v Speaker 1>are okay with yourself, then it's going to make your

0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.000
<v Speaker 1>social interactions better, because, like I say, when I was younger,

0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I would just kind of go out just because I

0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't bear to be on my own. So you're starting

0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.000
<v Speaker 1>off your interactions with other people and a kind of

0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.560
<v Speaker 1>slightly desperate note there, like you would just want them

0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to distract you from yourself, whereas if you can handle yourself, okay,

0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.840
<v Speaker 1>you might actually go out and just have fun with people.

0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Sure, did you have a lockdown routine? What would a

0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.680
<v Speaker 2>typical day to day thing have been. It's kind of

0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit different now, I guess because we're kind of

0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.240
<v Speaker 2>out of it, a little bit, not fully out of it.

0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.680
<v Speaker 2>But there was that period at the beginning where it

0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.760
<v Speaker 2>felt like every day was exactly the same. Did you

0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.120
<v Speaker 2>have a continual routine that you would just do every

0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:28.720
<v Speaker 2>day and like just repeat.

0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's funny you should say that. It does seem

0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like a long time ago now, doesn't it, or it

0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.800
<v Speaker 1>seems like another era. I did realize at the start

0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that I needed some not particularly a total routine. But

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was hard to kind of concentrate at first.

0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I think because we're all used to just wandering around

0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, check something on your phone, then go

0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.840
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else. Over the last few years, we've got used

0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to kind of have this kind of pecking at things,

0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.760
<v Speaker 1>attention span and always kind of moving around, and as

0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you said, being stuck in the same place. Suddenly time,

0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the shape and feel of time altered and at first

0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I found that my mind it was still trying to peck,

0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.600
<v Speaker 1>but there was nothing to peck out because it was

0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.400
<v Speaker 1>just you were just there in one place. So that

0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>felt very It was slightly disturbing. So I did try

0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and write a little bit of a timetable, even though

0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I knew I wouldn't stick to it. I think if

0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got a timetable, then at least if you got distressed,

0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you could walk into the kitchen and look at the

0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.760
<v Speaker 1>piece of paper that you'd celltate to the wall and think, oh, yes,

0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.240
<v Speaker 1>it's two o'clock I should be going for a walk

0:15:55.320 --> 0:16:00.440
<v Speaker 1>now or whatever. I guess I was looking that if

0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you're a person who works in the creative arts, then

0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you can do stuff like I started. I started reading

0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:15.160
<v Speaker 1>some stories and posting them. I started doing discos on

0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Saturday nights. Yeah, I just kind of And also there

0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.000
<v Speaker 1>was a record that was about to be released, so

0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I was doing like these. I was doing like two

0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.320
<v Speaker 1>zoom calls a day, so that kind of meant that

0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of socializing as well. So I was

0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 1>really lucky. Actually it didn't really I didn't have to

0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of you know that zombie shopping where

0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you have to stand outside waitros in a queue and

0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.360
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff with everyone.

0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to ask about the zoom thing.

0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Are you feeling zoomed out at this point? I mean,

0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.600
<v Speaker 2>we're talking on zoom, but I know it's one of

0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>those things that if you do too much of it,

0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.200
<v Speaker 2>you get to a point where you need a break.

0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>You're like, I can't speak to another one for you

0:16:59.000 --> 0:16:59.800
<v Speaker 2>zoom right now?

0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean I was going to ask you

0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:08.359
<v Speaker 1>about that because I find it quite tiring. That's what

0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I found, And I was trying to work out why

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I felt tired when all I'm doing is sitting on

0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.159
<v Speaker 1>a settee talking at a computer.

0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.919
<v Speaker 2>But a friend of mine tried to explain to me

0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.480
<v Speaker 2>why he thinks it makes well his theory behind why

0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:29.399
<v Speaker 2>it's so tiring, and it was about how you're interacting

0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.119
<v Speaker 2>with someone where you're just focusing on their head and shoulders,

0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and if you were to do that in real life,

0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.720
<v Speaker 2>it would be very strange and bizarre to just be

0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.359
<v Speaker 2>staring at someone like you and I are right now.

0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.320
<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite it's actually quite intense, and it kind

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of takes its toll. And that that was what. I

0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know if there's anything to that. It sounded sensible

0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and clever when he told.

0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Me, I suppose so, but you're not sure. Yeah. I

0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.879
<v Speaker 1>do think it's something to do with that that it

0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:06.040
<v Speaker 1>feels you can see someone so it feels like you

0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.040
<v Speaker 1>are of a conversation. But for instance, if I want

0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.679
<v Speaker 1>to have eye contact with you, now I'm looking at

0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.920
<v Speaker 1>your eyes, but that means that I'm not looking in

0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the camera. If I really wanted to have eye contact,

0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.719
<v Speaker 1>i'd look in the camera like that. But that feels

0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:24.600
<v Speaker 1>really weird. So there's all these things where it's just

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a bit off. So I think that's what makes it

0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.960
<v Speaker 1>a bit disturbing, because your brain is trying to find

0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:35.439
<v Speaker 1>out what's really going on. And I think also things

0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to do with timing as well, because it's not so

0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.679
<v Speaker 1>bad in this situation where it's just a conversation between

0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 1>two people, but like, for instance, towards the beginning of Lockdown,

0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.679
<v Speaker 1>we had a zoom meeting for the people in the

0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 1>band and we were all talking and then we thought, oh,

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.480
<v Speaker 1>look we're all on the same zoom. Let's try and

0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.680
<v Speaker 1>play a song. And then as soon as we tried

0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.320
<v Speaker 1>to do that, we realized that everything was out of

0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 1>sync because everybody's Internet connections would be at different speeds

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and we were at different distances to each other. So

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that really pointed out the fact that it wasn't like

0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 1>being in a room with people where you can just

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.120
<v Speaker 1>play a song without thinking about it. There are all

0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.360
<v Speaker 1>these weird latency and time like things, which you're probably

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 1>not consciously aware of them, but they are making that

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.120
<v Speaker 1>interaction a little bit more strange and therefore a bit

0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.240
<v Speaker 1>more tiring to engaging.

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Sure, you did you do any zoom quizzes with friends?

0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.600
<v Speaker 2>That was a thing for a while.

0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. I mean because I've thought about that,

0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.320
<v Speaker 1>because I should have been all over that, because I

0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.960
<v Speaker 1>historically have been a big lover of quizzers. I used

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to like again at parties. This is again maybe why

0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.680
<v Speaker 1>people don't come to my parties, but I often would

0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.760
<v Speaker 1>have a quiz as part of the party. I used

0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.639
<v Speaker 1>to like doing my own version of who Wants to

0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Be a Millionaire? One year we did Mister and Missus.

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know that quiz. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.400
<v Speaker 1>so we used to do Mister and Missus. So, yeah,

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I would have thought that I would have loved quizers,

0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 1>but I only I think I only took part in.

0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 2>One about you, you know, I'm I'm still in one now.

0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 2>I started doing on with my my brother. My brother

0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 2>set one up with his in laws and invited me

0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and my wife and my mum, and we were doing

0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it every Saturday night. That got a bit intense. We've

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.200
<v Speaker 2>gone down to every other week now, and I don't

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.480
<v Speaker 2>know if it's ever going to end, Like I feel

0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 2>like we're kind of stuck in this now. But I mean,

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying it. I don't know they might be listening

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to this. I am enjoying it everyone. But yeah, it's

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.200
<v Speaker 2>it that is very tiring. I find I find actually

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.200
<v Speaker 2>the quiz thing quite exhausting because we do it well.

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>We all write a we all write around each and

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 2>then you're the quiz master for your own round, and

0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:13.440
<v Speaker 2>then you'll sit out of.

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>That all right. Yeah, I was going to ask you

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 1>about that. So it's not like you search online for

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.199
<v Speaker 1>a quizz or get it from a book. You actually

0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.680
<v Speaker 1>have to devise it yourself.

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. We make it ourselves. So that's quite fun.

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 2>But then it turns out that's actually quite time consuming.

0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 2>When we did the feature for the mag a few

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.000
<v Speaker 2>years back, one of the things that we spoke about

0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:40.640
<v Speaker 2>was TV. And I remember you saying that you watch

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 2>so much TV when you were a kid, that these

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 2>days you don't really watch that much TV. In fact,

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.360
<v Speaker 2>when you're in a hotel, if there's a TV in there,

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>you'll cover it up or put it away so you

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.640
<v Speaker 2>don't have to see even the dead TV in the room. Yeah,

0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 2>have you have you? I was wondering if you've lapsed

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 2>back into TV through this time.

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:09.359
<v Speaker 1>You're not working for the TV license? That is that?

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>No comment, It's just I keep getting I keep getting

0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.080
<v Speaker 1>letters through the mail saying they're going to come and

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.199
<v Speaker 1>check check me that I ain't going to tell it.

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't own a tell. I just want to go

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 1>on record there. But occasionally, Well, the one thing that

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I've watched, I haven't really watched much TV. I have

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>stuck to that. I do think that I've had enough

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:40.360
<v Speaker 1>TV to last me my whole life. But then my

0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 1>partner's daughter was talking about how she was watching the

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Sopranos during lockdown, and and we realized that I've never

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 1>ever seen the Sopranos, and all the DVDs were in

0:22:54.960 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a cupboard somewhere. So we are watching in the Sopranos.

0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 1>We started and we're please don't tell me what happens.

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I've not seen it. Yeah, i've been. I've been meaning to.

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like you, I'm really late to it, and I've

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>got it and I've been meaning to watch it.

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>All right, well i'll tell you it's worth it.

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how far in are you?

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:24.160
<v Speaker 1>We're approaching the end of season four, right, so we're

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 1>over halfway. Yeah, it's it's really good. I have to say,

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. Obviously it's quite old now, I

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 1>mean that's one of the good things. It doesn't really

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.159
<v Speaker 1>seem very dated. I don't know they've really I suppose

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it were lucky. It was made just as mobile phones

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 1>came in. In fact, they kind of come in during the series.

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 1>And computers are there, but like really clunky computers, but

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 1>they're there, so it's it's almost like it just managed

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to get those things in, so it doesn't seem hopelessly dated.

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 1>It's good. It's it's really good. I mean, as for

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>why I didn't watch it at the time, I can

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>only think it's because the theme tune is a song by

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the Alabama Three. Yeah, we woke up this morn and

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 1>of myself, I god, it goes like that. And there

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 1>was a guy in the Alabama Three who just always

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>used to bug me when I was out, like it

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>was always kind of bent my ear drunk when I

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>was out, and it really really irritated me. And so

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe when I knew that they'd done the

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>theme tune, I thought, there's no way I'm watching that program.

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking yesterday when I was when I was

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 2>thinking about the fact we're going to be talking today,

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>it reminded me that the last live show that I

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.959
<v Speaker 2>have been to was your live show when you played

0:24:56.040 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>on the second of March in a club in Canning

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.199
<v Speaker 2>on next to Canning Street Station. Basically, wasn't it. I

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the name of the place, but Steallyards, Steal

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Yards that was it was. It was just before the

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>lockdown started, like there was murmurings of it. But that's

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the last time I've seen any live music other than

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.159
<v Speaker 2>on screen. Few live stuff on screen and stuff, But

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it was it the day that house Music

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 2>All Night Long came out on that day or the

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.360
<v Speaker 2>video of it came out on that day.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was that was why we'd organize the concert

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 1>because and actually the records arrived that day, and I

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>was really excited. I spent most of my time backstage

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of the records because they were there, you know.

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think it was maybe a fortnight before

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:54.919
<v Speaker 1>the lockdown came into effect. So yeah, people were talking

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 1>about it, and yeah, I mean, I don't know. You

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't catch it that night, did you. I didn't know.

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm touch would I've been, Okay, I've not yet.

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 1>As far as I know, none of us in the

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>band got it. I haven't heard of people getting it

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>from there. So yeah, it was great. It was great

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>to it seems like so long ago. It seems like

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>forever ago, which is maybe why I forgot that. Oh yeah,

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>that's the last gig I went to. I liked that

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you did it in that club as well. I've never

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 1>been there, but I've certainly been to clubs like that

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>when I grew up. It was the kind of nightclub

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that people go to after work in the city. It's

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 1>like in the Arches for anyone that's not been to

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the steel Yard. But it was a great show. And

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it was nice that it was the last one. Did

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.360
<v Speaker 1>you ever go to clubs like that, that type of

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>after work leaving do clubs? I mean, the reason we

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>had it there was because the record that was coming

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.479
<v Speaker 1>out was House Musical all night long. I kind of

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be like a place that you could

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>imagine a rave to happen. At one time, we were

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 1>looking at the arches underneath Waterloo Station, which are a

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>bit more kind of scuzzy, so that place. Because it

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>was a school night, you know, it was a Tuesday,

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe, so we could Because at first I was thinking, oh, yeah,

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we could do it like a back in the day

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>where people have to kind of go and meet a

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>guy at a chip shop with his mobile phone and

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>he tells you the next place you have to go to,

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, because that's what used to be like back

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>in the rave days. You would you would get coordinates

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to meet someone at a service station and then they

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>would tell you the next part of the journey and

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>finding the actual party was a big part of the

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>night out. So I was thinking maybe it'd be nice

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to do something like that. But then, as I say,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>because it was a Tuesday and people probably wanted to

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>get up for work the next day. We decided to

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>do it in a place that had the look because

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>it was in the old railway archers, but it did

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>have a bar and plumbing and toilets and things like that. Yeah.

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Well I think that stuff was appreciated by the people

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 2>that were there. Yeah, to be honest, did you did

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>you that well that you were just talking about where

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>you kind of it was like a puzzle to find

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>out where the rave was. Did you you obviously did

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 2>some of that back in the day. Did you do

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 2>much of the rave scene?

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean, I think that's why it stayed with

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>me so vividly because it was just after I'd moved

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>down from Sheffield to London. So I moved down to

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>go to Saint Martin's in September nineteen eighty eight, and

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the acid house scene was going their warehouse parties and stuff,

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and the first one I went to was in May

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine. We got a ticket. Well, it's like

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it says in the pulp song sort of freeas and Wiz,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that's basically a documentary representation of what happened. We bought

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>You could buy tickets from this strange flat in Camden

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Town and there was a coach that went from Soho

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Square at ten o'clock and I had kind of left Sheffield.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I used to go to There was like a really

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>bad kind of indie nightclub in Sheffield that I'd been

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>going to twice a week for five years since I

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>left school. And when I left Sheffield, I thought, well,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that's it. You know, I've done my time in the clubs.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get serious now I'm going to learn

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>all this kind of thing. So I wasn't intending to

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>have a nightclub experience once I got to London, but

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>as luck would have it, this scene was in full

0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>swing and some friends said, oh, you've got to come

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and see it because it's really amazing, and so I

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of went, not with particularly high expectations. I'd been

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of badgered into it. But once I got there

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we were in this aircraft hanger with

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a with a big wheel outside and giant platforms and

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>lasers and smoke and everything, I thought, oh shit, this

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>is this is why, this is what I always wanted

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>nightclubs to be, like, you know, some kind of really

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>sci fi experience with people dancing all night and all

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, and so I kind of got

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>hooked into it. Yeah.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, the track the track house music all Night Long,

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>because it was released back then two weeks before Lockdown.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>As you say, it kind of sound that soundtracked a

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of my early Lockdown. That song. I even went

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>roller skating to that song, and I don't know, I

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>don't roller skate, but but I I have some roller

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>skates and I went out on and that's how powerful

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>your song is.

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, thanks, that's as far as I know. You're

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the well is. You're certainly the first person I've heard

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of who's roller skated to that song. So I take

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>my hat. I take my hat off to you.

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the perfect roller skating song. And because of the

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 2>lyrics of that song, a lot of people, I think,

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>thought that you must have written it. It was about Lockdown,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and you wrote it in Lockdown. So friends of mine

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly said that when they first heard it was like, oh,

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it's just been written about the current situation. But it wasn't,

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>was it. It was written?

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>No? No, I mean that's the strange thing. Really. Emma,

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the woman who plays the violin in the band, a

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>friend of hers got COVID quite early on and had

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to self isolate. And she was the first person who

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>pointed out the fact that the lyrics seemed to be

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>about that experience of just be stuck in a house

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 1>not being able to go out. But yeah, the song

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>had been written like a year and a half before.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>It was all about a weekend when I was stuck

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>in London on my own and I was jealous of

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>some people who'd gone to this there's a festival in

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Wales called Houghton. You know that, It's like a dance

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>music festival. No, I don't know that, all right, it's

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be really good, and some people I knew

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>had gone, and I was stuck in London and all

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>my friends weren't around, and I was feeling a bit

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>sorry for myself, and to kind of distract myself from that,

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I went and got a keyboard out of the basement

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and started playing. And then that's when I came up

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>with the tune for it. And I guess because of

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the circumstances that the idea of me being stuck in

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a house on my own feeling jealous about people dancing

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the house out in Wales, there's those two connotations of

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the word house kind of gave me the lyrics. So

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>that's where all that kind of stuff about claustrophobia and

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff come from. But yeah, it

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>just kind of weirdly came out seeming like it was

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>written with Lockdown in specifically in mind.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean. The other thing that is kind of strange

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 2>timing I guess with like the new band and Lockdown

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>happening is that although the album came out during Lockdown,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the band is kind of a live band, isn't it

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 2>more than it is an album studio band, Like you

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 2>hadn't planned to make a record and then go and

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 2>tour that record. You are like a live band first

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>and foremost, and that's how people should kind of want

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to experience it. It must be really annoying that you've

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>been able to play it. You're not being able to

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>like do that side of it. In fact, the only

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.479
<v Speaker 2>thing people currently have is the album.

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know whether it's annoying. I mean, it's

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>annoying for everybody who's in the band. You know that

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:18.879
<v Speaker 1>concerts aren't allowed. It was I mean, if anything, in

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>one way, I was kind of pleased that we'd made

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the record in the way that we'd made it, because,

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>as you say that, the band was formed basically as

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a live thing, and at one point we thought we

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>never would make records. We would just play these songs

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that we'd written, and the songs would change over time,

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and if people were interested, they would have to come

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>to a concert to see what was happening. And then

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess I can't help it. I

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>was brought up in the age of records, so kind

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>of do start thinking about that kind of thing. We

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.839
<v Speaker 1>ended up making a record, but the a lot of

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the versions of the songs that are on the record,

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that the basic takes were made during live concerts. So

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>there are two that were recorded in a cave up

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Peak District in.

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 2>What was that cave called the Devil's Ass.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I prefer to call it Peak Cavern. Some people

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>do call it the Devil's Ass. They change the name

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to Peak Caven when Queen Victoria visited it in the

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>late eighteen hundreds. And I'm not really into Victorian values

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, but I am in that case because I

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>don't like the idea of playing in an ass devils

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>or not. But yeah, and then there was another song

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>we recorded at the Primavera festival in Barcelona. So I'm

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>glad that we did it that way because, as you

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>point out, there's there's no way to do that now

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that there are no concerts happening, so we kind of

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>took advantage of it while it was there, and you know,

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>it must come back. I I think I've only seen

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>one concert during lockdown. I went to there's a place

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>in Peckham called Peckham Levels or something I think it's called,

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and there's like a bar on the top floor of there,

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and there's an arts place called Bold Tendencies, and Hannah,

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the woman who runs I was determined to start putting

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>events on again, so I went along. I think it

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was around the beginning of July. There was a cello

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>player and his sister who played the piano, and they've

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>played some classical music and everybody has sat on chairs

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>at safe distances, and it's in an old multi story

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>car park, so it's got lot of ventilation, so it

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 1>was a safe environment. But just to be sat there,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>even in that kind of slightly constrained situation, just the

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>fact that you could see someone playing it right there

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>before your eyes. You know, it wasn't coming down a

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>live stream, it wasn't pre recorded. Was a really great thing.

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>It was a really beautiful feeling to witness that and

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>be part of it. So my hope is that people

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>will this kind of hiatus will have made people realize

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>how much they do like those live experiences, and I

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe we'll have a bit of a you know,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>a flourishing of live events when we're allowed to do

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>them again.

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely. There's one track on the album well

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.879
<v Speaker 2>House Music is obviously the one that I love. As

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I say, it made me, it made.

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Me roll escape.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 2>But there's also a song on the record that I

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>really like called Swanky Modes. And one of the reasons

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I like it so much is because it's about my

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood where I live now, I believe anyway, because I

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>live just off the Camden Road, which is mentioned in

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the first line of the song, and you used to

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 2>live around there, right, It is like a song about

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:32.879
<v Speaker 2>a time and a place that you lived in. When

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>was it, When was that written? When was it that

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 2>you were in that kind of area?

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's one of the mysteries of song writing actually,

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and I've wondered about this because the events I'm describing

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in that song happened basically thirty years ago. Towards the

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.240
<v Speaker 1>end of my time at Saint Martin's. I was living

0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>in a housing co op place on Dual Jianna Street.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you know where Georgiana Streeter is, It's

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's just off the Camden Road, but it's it's

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it's there's a garden center at the end of the road.

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I do know it. Yeah, do you know where that is? Yeah?

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's name my house.

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So there was a housing co op there,

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and I'd been on the books for ages and then

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 1>eventually got offered a room in a in a shared

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>house there. It was. It was quite a random household.

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 1>It The main guy who lived there was a was

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a drug dealer, but he was in prison at the time.

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>But all his friends were there, and so they tried

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to put me off taking the room in the house.

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>So when I went around for a viewing, they were

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 1>all just kind of really wasted and doing like disgusting things,

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>like a guy started trying to fuck the settee. So

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess they thought that I would be appalled and

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 1>just so I can't live here, but you didn't. I

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 1>just thought they're just trying to put me off for that.

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been waiting for the flat for ages and it

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>had always been my dream to live in Camden. When

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>I first moved down from Sheffield. Camden was one of

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the few places I'd been to in London and I

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>just thought it was like the coolest place probably on

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.959
<v Speaker 1>the planet. You know. They had you know, they had

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>shops that sold records and clothes and badges and things

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, I just thought it was great.

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>And I tried to get a flat though when I

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>first came and that fell through and ended up squatting

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>for quite a long time. But I eventually got my

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Camden flat and that would be around yeah, nineteen nineteen,

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one.

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Sure, So then were the housemates? Did they behave themselves?

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Once you did move in and once they realized we've

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 2>not scared this guy off, he's moving in. How are they?

0:40:58.360 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>After that? Did they calm down?

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Not much? And there wasn't much SETI fussing after that,

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:12.280
<v Speaker 1>but it was still well, it just wasn't very pleasant

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>living in a house because the guy got out prison

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>quite soon after that, and so whenever I came back home,

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>there were just lots of random people waiting to score

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:25.919
<v Speaker 1>in the living room. So that's not the most convivial,

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, living circumstances. But I lived there for a while,

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 1>and there was a shop just up the road called

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Swanky Modes, which was a woman's clothes shop. I've since

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>found out it's kind of known in certain circles because

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it was completely run by women. The clothes were designed

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>by women, the women ran the shop. I think one

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of the women who started the shop is now lecturing

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>at Saint Martin's. But as I say, why suddenly these events,

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't live in that place for that long,

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe I lived there five or six months. So it's

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>quite weird that suddenly all that story that's related in

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 1>that song would just suddenly float to the surface of

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>my consciousness thirty years later. But that's one of the

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>things I like about being a songwriter really, that you

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>end up kind of giving life a narrative in a way,

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, I do believe that really life is

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 1>pretty random, but sometimes your mind will weed out stuff

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and remember certain things and forget other things, and it's

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of like it kind of writes you a life story,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and I've got a memory now of that time. Maybe

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I would have ended up totally forgetting about Georgiana Street,

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 1>but I never will now because I've written a song

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>about it.

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Did you leave Camden before like the Heart before Camden

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>became the britpop thing? Was were you out by the

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>time that it became cool in that way? And were

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you still? Were you still there when things kind of

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 2>kicked off?

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 1>No? No, I was by that time, by the time

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Good Mixer and all that I was. I

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was South London by then, I was Peckham.

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You'd gone south of the river.

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I'd gone south of the river.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 2>That made me think of another thing that I've always

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you, And I'm sure you've been asked

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>this before, so I apologize if this is a really

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 2>boring question. But I think there are still a lot

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 2>of people who don't necessarily realize that your first record

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 2>came out in nineteen eighty three, because obviously britpop was

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.479
<v Speaker 2>so much later than that, you know, ten twelve years later.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>How did being in a band in the early eighties

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 2>compared to being in a band in the mid nineties.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a difficult one because, like you say, there's

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>ten for over ten years between them. And also when

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the band was there in the eighties, you know, I

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>just left school. I started the band when I was

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>at school and then carried on and I was just

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of learning how to do it then, you know,

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I really it was a thing that I'd wanted to

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>do since I was a little, tiny kid. So it

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of ended up not working out. And that's that's

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 1>why I eventually left Sheffield because I just it was

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 1>like my dream had gone. It's very sad this part

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:52.399
<v Speaker 1>of the story. So it's like, you know, I could

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>just see it wasn't going to work out. Sheffield was

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a pretty depressed place at that time in the mid eighties.

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was statues Britain. You know, people who

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't live through that can only guess at the horrors

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that happened during that time. And so when I moved

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to go to London, I kind of thought that was

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the end of that. It was a new chapter. But

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>in a similar way to what I said earlier about

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>how I thought that my disco days were behind me,

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 1>and then I got involved in raves. When I moved

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 1>down to London. I don't know. There was a friend

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>who'd already moved down from Sheffield the year before and

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 1>he joined the band, and even though the band wasn't

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>really playing, it was kind of comforting to have it

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>as an idea. And then with the going through the

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>rave experience and stuff like that, and then towards the

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>end of college, we just got asked to play a

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>concert and played a concert and it felt different. It

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>felt like people actually liked it, and maybe I was

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a bit more relaxed about it because I think probably

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the biggest difference, I suppose, thinking about it now, is

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>that when I was in Sheffield at the beginning of

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the eighties, that was it was. It was like my

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 1>whole life depended on it, and that's why I took

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it so badly when it didn't seem to work out.

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>When I did it again in the nineties, it was

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>like I'd done college. I wasn't really expecting so much

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>of it, and then it just started to happen. So

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I think the lesson that I took from that was

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>don't try too hard.

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe you wanted it a bit too badly when

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 2>you were at college and studying at college kind of

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 2>before the band did then start to happen again. Was

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 2>there something you were going to do when you left

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 2>college that wasn't music that you had? Were you going

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.720
<v Speaker 2>to be an artist or what was the plan?

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been really lucky in my life and I've

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:04.840
<v Speaker 1>never really made very serious plans. I've always tried to

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>follow my instincts, really, and I was making I made

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>some films at college. They weren't particularly good. I kind

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>of thought maybe I would like to make a film eventually.

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I'd done a few videos, like whilst I was at college,

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 1>some friends from Sheffield started the Warp label and some

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of the earlier, earliest tracks that they released, I made

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the videos for those, along with another guy, Martin Wallace

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I was at college with, and so I thought, well,

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 1>maybe I could be a promo director. You've got to

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>remember in those days, people spent like, I don't know,

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>fifty grand on a video or stuff like that. You know.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>It was like there was that guy Tim Pope was

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>always going off to the Amazon and shooting the cure

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 1>floating down the Amazon in a canoe or something like that.

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, I thought, that's that would be all right.

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.359
<v Speaker 1>That wouldn't be so bad as a career. I'd still

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be involved in music, but i'd be in a different

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>aspect of it. So but as to say, I hadn't

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 1>really worked it out. And then around the time that

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I was leaving college, when I suppose I would have

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 1>had to think a bit seriously about what I was

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 1>going to do, we started playing concerts and people liked it,

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 1>so I thought, Okay, fuck that, let's go back to music.

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Then I've really enjoyed your You mentioned it earlier, your

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 2>disc goes from home? Have they been? Was that down

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 2>here in London or was that when you were up

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Peak District?

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>No, that was in the p District. That was from

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>our living room. Yeah.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Those were really good fun and you also did the

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 2>stories which people can still listen to. I'd encourage people

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to go back and listen to on your Instagram account

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 2>on like Instagram TV. You did It's a Sunday Night,

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I think, wasn't it when you did bedtime Stories?

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at nine thirty every Sunday I would release a

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>new story because I thought, I mean that was just

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because I again, at the beginning of Lockdown, I realized

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.359
<v Speaker 1>that I wasn't sleeping so well, I think a lot

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>of people had that because we're in such a new situation,

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it was especially bad. I stopped watching the ten o'clock

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>News because I realized that was a real no note

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>because you would watch the ten o'clock News then try

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and go to bed and you'd have all the kind

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>of apocalyptic images from it going through your head. So

0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>the series I used to do for the BBC the

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Sunday Service, I would occasionally read stories, so I had

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a stockpile of stories, so I just thought, well,

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 1>why not put them out? Because once, if I ever

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>read a story to my partner, she's asleep within three minutes,

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.160
<v Speaker 1>which can be really irritated sometimes when you're reading a story,

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.480
<v Speaker 1>because you know, you might not realize that the person's

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 1>asleep until ten minutes later, and then you're just reading

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 1>to yourself. You feel a bit of a burk. So

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that my voice has a certain boringness to

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it which can make people fall asleep, which I think

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is okay.

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to tell, isn't it. Is it a compliment

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>or is it an insult that they fallen asleep? Does

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.240
<v Speaker 2>it mean you're boring? Does it mean you're soothing and calming.

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I prefer to think the second one, and I

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>have made a thing of that. I suppose, like the

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Sunday Service was all about trying to create this kind

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of quiet, low energy, mellow zone that people could kind

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 1>of lose themselves in if they'd been out on a

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Saturday night and we're feel a bit fragile or something.

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And then the other series I did for the BBC

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Wireless Nights would was generally broadcast around eleven PM or

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>eleven thirty, So again I tried to go for that

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of almost like a hypnotist, as you know, you

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.120
<v Speaker 1>talk in that voice like this, and you say you're

0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>viewing very sleepy, and because I like, you know, that's

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 1>basically what I use the radio for a lot if

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I wake up in the middle of the night. I

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 1>did it last night, so I woke up about four

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:32.839
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, and you know, I hate that thing

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of lying there and then you start thinking of one

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:38.040
<v Speaker 1>thing and then another, and then behind that you're thinking,

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 1>go back to sleep, go back to sleep. But the

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 1>more you think that to yourself, the harder it gets.

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>So I generally will like go downstairs and put the

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 1>world service on and lie there and just I'm not

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 1>even really listening to what they're talking about, but it's

0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>just as a human voice they're talking, and somehow that

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 1>helps with feelings of loneliness or whatever. And just kind

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of usually within kind of twenty minutes or so, I'm

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 1>back asleep.

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.839
<v Speaker 2>You're done. What about podcast? Do you listen to many podcasts?

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't listen to that many podcasts. I know they're

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the new thing, and and I know this one is legendary.

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, No, I.

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It is a really through choice. It's just I mean,

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>occasionally I've listened to audio books or something. The thing is,

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for something that doesn't really that I don't

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>have to kind of stay awake to hear the end

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>of Yeah, you know, I'm looking for something that just

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 1>helps me drift off. Yeah.

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I really like Radio four did a series called slow Radio.

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Listen to that, and it is it's kind of sound recordings. Really,

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like of somebody walking for a forest or a

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 2>trip down the Amazon in a canoe. Just the sound

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of that. And that's great for falling asleep too.

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that sounds good. Yeah, well I think you know

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that that's a that's a very kind of essential function

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>that radio or podcasts and things can provide. So I'm

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm personally not insulted if people fall asleep whilst listening

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 1>to me. I like it means I take it as

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a compliment. It means they feel safe and relaxed. Exactly. Yeah.

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you must have been people asked you

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 2>to do to host your own podcast. You must have

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 2>had people say that to you, because you do have

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you have a broadcaster's voice.

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Dare I say, that's very nice of you to say so,

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm talking to them about the podcasts for

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>as I bears, I haven't no, I mean I could do,

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure if I wanted to, and I'm still doing

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the I think there is going to be another series

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of Wireless Nights, and I do like that one because

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 1>for people who might have heard it's it's really just

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a way of checking up on the things that people

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>do at night times, and that can vary from Like

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 1>we had a guy who went out night swimming, just

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 1>like to go swimming off Dungeoness in the nighttime, and

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>he wore like a waterproof microphone, so who could kind

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of talk about his experience and then one another time

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like a night watchman in an office building. Actually,

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 1>office buildings wouldn't be much different to how I saw

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:03.919
<v Speaker 1>them in the in the night. All they're all deserted now.

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 1>But it was quite weird to be in the center

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:09.319
<v Speaker 1>of London in this big building with no one else

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:13.319
<v Speaker 1>in it but me. So all things like that, things

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 1>that take place during the night. We once were in

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.319
<v Speaker 1>a power station with the people who were looking after

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the national grid and stuff like that. So for me,

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that's great because I'm always curious to know what people

0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 1>are up to. It's a way of me eavesdropping without

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting arrested for it. So yeah, I like

0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that show. And because it's broadcast at night, we try

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and weave the stories together, so it's kind of like

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 1>something that you can drift off to. And I do

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 1>believe that if you fall asleep with the radio on

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.759
<v Speaker 1>or with a podcast on, I think that information in

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>some way does kind of go into your dreams as well.

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>You're kind of absorbing it in some kind of way.

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jarvis, thank you so much for talking to me.

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.800
<v Speaker 2>You've been out. You have actually been our one hundredth.

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Guest really, so thank you. Well, you know what, I'm

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 1>very honored by that.

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you're a star guest.

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. Sorry, my alarm was going off there.

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 1>That was like a celebratory alarm that was going on.

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Well no, well thank you. Yeah, I mean, and if

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're asleep now whilst you're listening to this podcast, congratulations. Anyway,

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 1>good night,