WEBVTT - Segment 3

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. I'm Dale Alli. He is Matt Williamson, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going over Bill Barmwell's list of best skill position

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<v Speaker 1>guys for each NFL team, and we've gotten down to

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<v Speaker 1>number fourteen. Here just to run you through the list

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<v Speaker 1>here real quick to get to catch up to speed

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't listen to the previous segment. At number

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or I'm sorry thirty two. The Houston Texans at

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<v Speaker 1>number thirty one, the Carolina Panthers at number thirty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Cardinals twenty nine, the Tennessee Titans twenty eight, the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers, by the way, Steelers play a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of these teams at the bottom of this list at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, the New York Giants at twenty six, the

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<v Speaker 1>New England Patriots at twenty five, the Indianapolis Colts at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, of the Denver Broncos twenty three, the Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Rams twenty two, of the New York Jets twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Commanders at twenty, the Buffalo Bills nineteen, the

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City Chiefs eighteen, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers seventeen, the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears sixteen, the Detroit Lions fifteen the Baltimore Ravens,

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<v Speaker 1>and that takes us the team number fourteen. They were

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth going into twenty twenty one. They were twenty first

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<v Speaker 1>going into twenty twenty two. That would be your New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans Saints at fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I was thinking about this one for a

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<v Speaker 2>while because if the Jets were like twenty two or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and let's just say a Lave and

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson cancel each other out, maybe one of you out

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<v Speaker 2>there likes one more than the other. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>both really, really good. I don't think the Jets supporting

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<v Speaker 2>cast over the rest of the Saints supporting cast, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with the Kamara potential.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no but the potential suspension is not a suspension

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<v Speaker 1>as of yet. I know, I know, and given the

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<v Speaker 1>ways the league does things, I don't know if he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to get suspended or not. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that would happen by now and it hit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Thomas for a lot of snaps.

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<v Speaker 1>But Rashid Rahika, Rashid Shaheed is good. Yeah. When he

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<v Speaker 1>when he went into the starting lineup in week thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he had twenty After that point, on from that point on.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're talking five weeks, twenty catches for three and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four yards in a touchdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad you brought him up because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think most people look at the Saints receivers this way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think a Lave and Shaheed are the starters.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean one because they're they're they're the most viable guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Juwan Johnson had forty two catches and seven touchdowns

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<v Speaker 1>last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a sneaky dude too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean they've got some. They got some,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're you know, Kamara's good. Jamal Williams had seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns for the Lions last year. Is he going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that again? Probably not, but he's a solid number

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<v Speaker 1>two back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well they drafted a third round back too, and

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<v Speaker 2>Kendrick So yeah, they're very similar to the Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would add the Jets higher than the Ravens.

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<v Speaker 2>But how were the Jets higher than they were? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, at thirteen, they were fifteenth. Going into twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, they were twelfth. In twenty twenty two, they

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<v Speaker 1>are thirteenth this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pittsburgh Steelers consistent, right, there outside the top ten,

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<v Speaker 2>but not far. I think that's probably about right. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about the teams around them. Of course. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's a superstar in the group, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there's a weakness in the group. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about this to no end. The five skill

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<v Speaker 2>guys that they can trot out there now in any combination,

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<v Speaker 2>you like, it's gonna be hard to play against.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, Deontay Johnson in his first three seasons

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<v Speaker 1>had two hundred and fifty four catches and scored twenty touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to focus on Deontay Johnson not scoring a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown last year, Day Johnson. Let me say it again,

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<v Speaker 1>in his first three seasons, Deontay Johnson had twenty touchdown catches.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't a Deontay Johnson thing last year. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a that was a Steelers offense thing. Last year. They

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<v Speaker 1>only had eleven touchdown passes as a team. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that could he have caught one? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, numbers are all really good except.

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<v Speaker 1>Except for touchdowns, right, I mean that that's it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers across the board. Last year, all the receivers numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when you looked at the numbers, we're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if you put your finger over the

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown numbers, you say, oh, that was they had pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good season. And then you pick your finger up because, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't score a touchdown or he only had one

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<v Speaker 1>where that guy had two. Like that that they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>score more touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, particularly through the air than they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how about this. How about this stat for George

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<v Speaker 1>Pickens George Pickens expected catch rate last year? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>what it was? No, fifty one point four percent. He

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<v Speaker 1>caught sixty one point nine percent of his passes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good sign.

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<v Speaker 1>He was ten He was ten percentage points above what

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<v Speaker 1>his catch rate should have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So to explain that to people, sometimes that means

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<v Speaker 2>your quarterback, you know, like Kyle Pitts is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>top of that list too, because quarterback missed him over

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<v Speaker 2>and over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the list of guys, okay, who have run

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred roots in a season and had a catch

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<v Speaker 1>rate of ten percentage points better than expected. This is

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<v Speaker 1>in the next gen era, So this goes back a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It's Doug Baldwin, Stephan Diggs, Pierre Garson, which

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<v Speaker 1>tells you it does go back quite a ways and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Had some good years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Lockett, and Michael Thomas. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Thomas did it three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so not. I hope people don't misunderstrue what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Kyle Pitts and Drake London had awful quarterback accuracy,

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<v Speaker 2>so they should have caught more passes in and I

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<v Speaker 2>know how they do it is like if they've simulated

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<v Speaker 2>a million times, you should catch would you say fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of his passes and he caught sixty one.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of those guys, like Michael Thomas was get

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<v Speaker 2>catching the ball from Drew Brees, but the way next

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<v Speaker 2>gen does it or Deangre Hawkins is a perfect example.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys apply more pickens than his quarterbacks stunk in

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<v Speaker 2>that most receivers won't catch a ball when X defender

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<v Speaker 2>is six inches off your left shoulder, right right right,

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<v Speaker 2>that type of stuff, you know, like where Hopkins is

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<v Speaker 2>awesome at that. You know Thomas's slants shielding guys and

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<v Speaker 2>contested situation. So that's a pickens like number that totally

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<v Speaker 2>adds up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So thirteen. Not bad there, you know, we'll see. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they have some strong possibilities here this year for

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<v Speaker 1>this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>They are on offense, you think that this group is

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<v Speaker 2>still ascending, although they were but twelfth and fifteenth the

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<v Speaker 2>last two years too. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean if they play, so if they

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<v Speaker 1>play like the thirteenth best skill position unit in the

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<v Speaker 1>league this year, and Kenny Pickett takes a step forward

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<v Speaker 1>right again, you start you start scoring better, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>start scoring more in the red zone. He throws again,

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<v Speaker 1>say he throws, he doubled it. Well, he should double

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<v Speaker 1>his touchdown production. Only hit seven last year. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>he he gets to twenty plus this year. Now, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you're looking at that skill position group

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know that there's a star in the group.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's a star right now. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the Kelsey tops Stiggs Pickens could be this time next year,

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<v Speaker 2>could be in the Andrews conversation this time next year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I let you if you've got if you're five

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<v Speaker 1>solid guys to me, and this is this list shows

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<v Speaker 1>that because we talked about it with Kelsey, talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it with some of these other teams. They have one

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<v Speaker 1>star and a bunch of guys. I'd think I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>have the five good play. I'd rather have the five

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<v Speaker 1>B pluses than one A plus and five C or

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<v Speaker 1>four C minuses.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to agree less so than an O line

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<v Speaker 2>secondary those two positions. I really want no holes because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an uncoverable guy has a ton of value.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you know a corner have a d on, you

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<v Speaker 2>just don't throw at them. You know where the offense

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<v Speaker 2>can dictate things. But I'm with you. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>would much rather have these groups than the Chiefs or

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<v Speaker 2>Rams or the Bills. I mean, a guy that's a

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<v Speaker 2>true stud in a lot of question marks.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I mean, right now, if I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers offensively, you're if you're just looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>five guys you're gonna put on the field on a

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<v Speaker 1>regular basis. Your worst guy's Alan Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's backup plans.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's backup plans there. Your second worst guy's Nasie Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty you know, a solid NFL running back to

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<v Speaker 1>those top three guys are all okay, yeah, to win

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course, We're going to talk Steelers to

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<v Speaker 2>no end, and people have heard us talk this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've been in Barnwell shoes where I'm ranking national stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're not going to put a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>faith in Warren and Austin and Hayward.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they're not even in the conversation, right, They're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the conversation, and nor should they be. That know

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<v Speaker 2>where he doesn't have to write an extra ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>words just so we can talk about Connor Hayward for

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<v Speaker 2>every team. But I really like their death guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at twelve they were fourth in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how they were fourth on this

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<v Speaker 1>list in twenty twenty one. Well, I again, I know

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<v Speaker 1>how and why. But they shouldn't have been there. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two they were twenty third. Wow, this year

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<v Speaker 1>there twelveth the Cleveland Browns.

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<v Speaker 2>They must have been super high when they thought Beckham

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna be well.

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<v Speaker 1>When people still thought Odell Beckham was good, when people

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<v Speaker 1>thought when people thought Jarvis Landry was still good.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Hunt and Chubb, Yeah, I love Chubb. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's maybe the best running back of the line.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's I think he's a great running back.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Bill said, the running backs don't matter as

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<v Speaker 1>much in this equation. They don't factor in quite as heavily.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't trade the Steelers group for the Browns group.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's you know, it's Amari Cooper and

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<v Speaker 1>some unproven stuff. Much as much as I like Elijah Moore,

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<v Speaker 1>he hadn't really done anything in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm inn Djoku guy, but I prefer Friar Mooth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I love Elijah Moore, but he hasn't done much.

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<v Speaker 2>People's Jones some possibilities. Tillman's a nice draft pick for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Cooper is one of the more overrated players

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<v Speaker 2>in the league though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's not getting any younger and his cold weather

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<v Speaker 1>splits are a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean, they wouldn't be far off of

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<v Speaker 2>twelve for me, but I would have the Steelers ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of them at number eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>They were twenty second and twenty twenty one. They were

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<v Speaker 1>number two going into last year. They're now number eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>The Raiders, Oh that rubs me wrong a little.

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<v Speaker 1>That's rough.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacobs is coming off an awesome year, but he's a

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<v Speaker 2>running back. Yeah, and he's a running back.

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<v Speaker 1>DeVante Adams is still DeVante Adams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's awesome, no doubt. But Renfro has definitely stock

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<v Speaker 2>has gone down considerably that Yeah, this time last year,

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<v Speaker 2>Waller's not there. They drafted Mayor, but he tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't put a lot of credent in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't be twenty, but I think they're more like fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jakobe Myers is a nice you could play. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, interesting they would fall that far. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not having Waller there. Money Renfro was money.

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<v Speaker 1>Renfro two years ago. Was not last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, I'm not sure he'll be last a season there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this one's a little m At number ten. They

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<v Speaker 1>were twenty third and twenty twenty one, they were twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seventh in twenty twenty two. They're at number ten this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The Atlanta Falcons. Oh, I can't put I can't put

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<v Speaker 1>the I can't put the Falcons ahead of the Steelers. No.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of did it, but that's putting the card

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<v Speaker 2>above the before the horse. You know, like if next time,

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<v Speaker 2>if next year you're like, oh, at this time next year,

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<v Speaker 2>that could very well be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>They have two, they have three top ten draft picks

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<v Speaker 1>at skill position players.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but then anything yet, then the numbers aren't great.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know one of them is a running back transcendent.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get that, blah blah blah and spot four

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<v Speaker 2>and five of their skill guys aren't great. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's a three, three man show. I love London, I

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<v Speaker 2>love Pitts, I love bijonn.

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<v Speaker 1>Mac Collins is your number three. Yeah, you know, Johnny

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's your backup tight like yuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So I about trying to get a rise out of people.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the Falcons called me and said, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you Pits or London for anyone on your offensive five,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say yes, not by leaps and bounds. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like those guys that much, and I know they're unproven.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we're getting into mac Collins's you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? Right? Yeah, as I mentioned, aren't Kelsey and

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<v Speaker 2>cup Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how he justifies this. He said, if you gave

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<v Speaker 1>London the five hundred and seventy three routes that Garrett

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson ran for the Jets last year, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the three hundred and seventy nine he ran with the Falcons,

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<v Speaker 1>his numbers pro rate to one hundred and nine catches

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<v Speaker 1>for one thousand, three hundred and nine receiving yards.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean they were heavy running first team, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think London's really, really good. Yeah, he's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the only rookie receivers I would trade pickings for today.

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<v Speaker 1>Pitt's catch rate, however, last year, dropped below fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Below fifty percent. Yeah, that's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and again that's because I mean the uncatchable

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<v Speaker 2>balls from the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we're talking. We're talking about a tight end

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<v Speaker 1>here who was six six? How do you overthrow that

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<v Speaker 1>with long arms? And I don't get it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think would be this high for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can see where they could get to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, I think they could be there at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the year if they get any kind of quarterback play.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't put them there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm not even even caring what the quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>play is if we're just judging skill guys in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like three of them, but I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great tape on those three at the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL level yet, Yeah, it's only.

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<v Speaker 1>Three at number nine. They were twenty fifth in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. They were twenty eighth going into last year.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now not in the Jacksonville Jaguars clearly improving.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's no question they're doing things around their quarterback. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>they're a coin flipped to me versus Steelers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know how or what you get out

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<v Speaker 1>of Calvin Ridley this year. I don't know. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>played in two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it's awesome, but that's mini camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's running against their guys and we saw this.

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<v Speaker 1>The reports last year were great on Deshaun Watson in

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<v Speaker 1>the offseason, but he hadn't played football in two in

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<v Speaker 1>almost three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all reports would be good on it everybody in June, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>unless they're not out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know again, Calvin Ridley's what twenty nine?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. He did not come into the

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<v Speaker 2>league particularly young, and he hasn't played hardly at all

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years. I mean, I like Ingram,

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<v Speaker 2>I like ATN I like Tank that they drafted Bigsby. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the same grade as the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk's a good wide receiver. I like Zay Jones, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to a degree. But yeah, I mean I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. I think the quarterback makes it better.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, it's good. Yes, I mean again, it does

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<v Speaker 2>have something. And Ryans through the Steelers a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>in that they have six or seven that I liked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. You know, I'm not sure there's a stud.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this next team does have a stud. And they're

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<v Speaker 1>still eighth. They were twenty first and twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>They were ninth last year, they're eighth this year. The

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<v Speaker 1>Miami Dolphins, oh sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have two dudes period. Yeah. Yeah, their

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<v Speaker 2>third receivers as bad as ending in the league. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean we're talking like Cedric Wilson. Their tight ends, or

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<v Speaker 2>Gyseki and Long are both gone and neither one was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Saubert is the fifteen catches last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the running back is totally by committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Those two dudes are awesome, but in a way they're

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<v Speaker 2>not much different than the ram I mean, they're like

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<v Speaker 2>one guy better than the Rams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, those two guys are both awesome. They'd be

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<v Speaker 1>number ones on a lot of teams in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Every defense coordinator is going, yeah, those two are awesome

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate them to death. They terrified me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't take both away. And I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if this is a five man plus depth ranking

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<v Speaker 2>two through eight stinks or three through eight stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's still a team that scored. What would they have

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<v Speaker 1>what was the score of the state. They had two

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns last year against the Steelers in that game in Miami. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not the better and the Steelers are throwing

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<v Speaker 1>into the end zone at the end of the game

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<v Speaker 1>twice on two different drives to win that game. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>as good as those two skill guys are, you can

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<v Speaker 1>take you can affect them and take them out of

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<v Speaker 1>the game because they're both. They're not the biggest guys,

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<v Speaker 1>they're both. They're both they both can fly. They're absolute,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, got wings on their feet. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>Real quick, because I know this team, of course is

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<v Speaker 2>going to come up. Would you rather play against Hill

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<v Speaker 2>and Waddle or Chasing Higgins? I don't know which one

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<v Speaker 2>I'd pick. I mean, I think they're very.

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<v Speaker 1>Well who's the quarterback?

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<v Speaker 2>Good point? Good point?

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<v Speaker 1>That makes a difference, Like if are people talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, chasing Higgins the same way I twists throwing

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<v Speaker 1>them the ball right right?

0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Or what if it's Josh Allen or Mahomes or right

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<v Speaker 2>Marioto or you know right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that matters too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a twothesome as there is in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're good. They're good at numbers. In twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>they were ranked number two. In twenty twenty two, they

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<v Speaker 1>were ranked number eleven. They're now seventh. The Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see why they were so high. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when Zeke was in his prime and Pollard's the two,

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<v Speaker 2>and Gallup's not injured, and I mean when he.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you had Cooper there as well. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Point, Lamb's stud. I don't think he's cup Tyreek stud,

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<v Speaker 2>but close. It's a good group. I mean they were

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<v Speaker 2>missing the guy last year though, like they had the

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Cooks like move and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's probably a high end number two, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's a high end number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So is he better than any of the

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers receivers, I honestly don't know, But he's in the neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tony Pollard was a really good football player last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He's hard to play against, big play guy, catch the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>You know where they're short at this year is at

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<v Speaker 1>tight end. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They got three unknowns.

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<v Speaker 1>There at number six. In twenty twenty one, they were five,

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and twenty twenty two they were four. They're six this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vikings, if.

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<v Speaker 2>We were drafting Justin Jefferson would be my first pick

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<v Speaker 2>for this exercise. Probably for fantasy too, but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>talking fantasy, but like, I think he has the most

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<v Speaker 2>weight of anyone in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Hawkinson's a nice second.

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<v Speaker 2>Option first round pick. There is your third pass catchers

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<v Speaker 2>not bad. kJ Osborne's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love the backs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't love the backs, you know. I who's the

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<v Speaker 1>receiver the other receiver I'm thinking of their uh, kJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Osborne, Osborne, Maddison.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Osborne's not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's a three now after drafting Addison, Yeah, that's fine. Replacement.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right right at number five they were twentieth and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, they were sixth. Last year, their fifth

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<v Speaker 1>this year.

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<v Speaker 2>The Chargers pretty good. I mean kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>Viking argument that you're mid to late first round rookie

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.159
<v Speaker 2>is your third wide out? Might your second? Like it

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<v Speaker 2>is a many. Yeah, they don't have the Jefferson. I

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<v Speaker 2>still think Evert's a decent player and Eckler's a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Eckler's yeah, he's I mean two years in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>he's had almost twenty touchdowns. Yeah. Now, Keenan Allen, Keenan

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<v Speaker 1>Allen and Mike Williams have been banged up certainly last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially Allen maybe, but they're still good, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, that's a top five group to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Eckler is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>At number four, they were eighth and twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>they were thirteenth twenty twenty two. They're fourth this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The Seattle Seahawks, Hm, how were they thirteenth last year?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question too. I mean, I love

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<v Speaker 2>for this conversation. You bring in Charbonnet and Smith Najigbo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice, you know what I mean? Like that, that's nice,

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<v Speaker 2>and you already had two really good receivers and I

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<v Speaker 2>think Walkers are really good back as well. Tight end's bad.

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean they have a big committee at tight end, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is right, right, Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>At number three, they were twenty ninth in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>They were eighth last year. They're now third the Philadelphia Eagles.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, pretty good. I mean I might take the last

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<v Speaker 2>two teams ahead of them, just because I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>a little top heavy. That they're five isn't awesome. Their

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>running backs are questionable, They're not echoler. You know, I

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>think Brown and Smith aren't far off the conversation of

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<v Speaker 2>Hill Waddle Chase Higgins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dallas Goddard carry some weight.

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no doubt Hawkinson like weight.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. I would probably take them over Seattle. I

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 1>think you have one more guy than Seattle does.

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably. And I like Smith and Jigma and Charbonne

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>and they are great, but their rookies yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good group. Yeah.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>At number two, people are going to be shocked by this.

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>They were thirteenth in twenty twenty one, they were number

0:23:55.600 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 1>one last year. They're now two. Cincinnati Bengals.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I'm not shocked by it, like I'm sure we

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>figured out that the last two teams are the Bengals

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and the Niners. And I think Chase could be an

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 2>all time great. I mean, I think he's amazing, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he could be as good as any receiver.

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 2>He could be Antonio Brown, I mean maybe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and Higgins is really good. I think the rest of

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the group's overrated, though, Like I thought Mixton was bad

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 2>last year, and I think Boyd is fine. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>a three on any team he's on. You know, Yeah,

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I think people wait that much. The non two studs,

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I think get a little too much credit in since.

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<v Speaker 1>He Yeah, Hayden Hurst to Irv Smith at tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, that's low on the list.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh. Irv Smith hasn't played a lot of football the

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<v Speaker 1>last three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Really hard to count on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's averaged seven games a year the last

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<v Speaker 1>three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasn't been that low. Yeah, he's played.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's missed twenty nine out of fIF fifty possible

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<v Speaker 1>games the past three seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I know this isn't what we're talking about big picture,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they can't keep Higgins, Chase isn't going anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna be awesome, But all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>they could be fifteenth on this list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they don't have any wide receiver depth. No

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<v Speaker 1>behind those guys, some dudes out of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue, but they're just taking shots in the mid rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that of course leaves you at number one.

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<v Speaker 1>They were twelfth and twenty twenty one. They were third

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<v Speaker 1>last year, they're number one this year. The forty nine ers,

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<v Speaker 1>I wholeheartedly agree, Like that's the whole that's my whole

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<v Speaker 1>argument with the whole rock party thing. Oh yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>put Kenny Pickett on it, with that group of skill

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<v Speaker 1>position guys, with that play caller, that scheme, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going crazy last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Going crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's funny because I mentioned I've been doing some

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<v Speaker 2>DVOA stuff and we were talking about offensive final DVOA

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<v Speaker 2>and then Niners and the Dolphins ended up six and

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<v Speaker 2>seventh in offensive DBA or seven and eight. They were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's the difference, And we figured out between

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them, they played seven different quarterbacks in Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>In San Franz. Still, guys in system sure helps you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, right, skill guys in particular, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that San Francisco's offense.

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<v Speaker 1>If if, for example, they would have had to play

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<v Speaker 1>Bruck Purdy and they didn't have Christian McCaffrey, completely different

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<v Speaker 1>experience in my opinion, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the beauty of this team is who's your

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<v Speaker 2>fourth best option? Hittle, Right, they're fourth best options, way

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<v Speaker 2>better than anyone else is in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, somebody is getting a good matchup, is the point?

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<v Speaker 2>Always, always, always, always, all do different stuff too. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great ensemble. I mean, I give them all

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<v Speaker 2>the credit in the world. I mean, they team built

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<v Speaker 2>that beautifully to fit whatever quarterback and their play caller.

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<v Speaker 2>But they all can hurt you in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And even like you, check has value.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now it's going to get real expensive for them

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<v Speaker 1>here soon, right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>How much does McCaffrey have left? And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>bet Ayuk isn't back in the big picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from the time let's see, from the time McCaffrey joined.

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean McCaffrey's addition. People forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just looking at I thought I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers there, but he doesn't have the numbers, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>of what he finished with, just with the forty nine Ers,

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to look at that, but he was,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean as a past catcher alone, he makes them

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculously dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculously dangerous, right, I mean he's I don't know, is

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<v Speaker 2>he the twentieth best pass catcher on the planet right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Including Kelsey and Chase and Diggs and Hill and all

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<v Speaker 2>those you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing about about this group is that

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<v Speaker 1>they're there four or five guys are all when healthy,

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and that's been an issue for Kittle in particular. But

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<v Speaker 1>when they're when they're healthy and rolling, I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all like top twenty five to thirty guys, right.

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 2>And McCaffrey's like one at his position, Kittle's two or

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>three at his position. Ayuk and Debo are still twenty

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>five to thirtyth you know, on the planet. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, fifteenth best receiver something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's it's a good, solid group. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what yeah, I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>What they're Number four is ridiculous.

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>This is what the Steelers could be.

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>What you this is what you should be hoping they

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<v Speaker 1>turn into. Now, maybe they don't have the talent. The

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>overall talent to be that. But I think you know

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>friar Mouth versus Kittles, As friar Mooth continues to I mean,

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the guy that that Friar moof talks about wanting.

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>He wants to get you know, kittles, run after the

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>catch ability, that kind of stuff, you know, I don't,

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you know. Naujie Harris is never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be McCaffrey as a pass catcher, No, but he catches

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the ball well.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>But I think your point isn't necessarily can any of

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>their running backs turn into McCaffrey, Can anyone turn into

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<v Speaker 2>the third best tight end in the planet and a

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<v Speaker 2>possible Hall of Fame? Or more so, can your fourth

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and fifth guy on the field raise the level and

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>kill single coverage or kill you know that type of thing?

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what needs to happen in those situations

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>because teams, you know, are a team's gonna roll coverages

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>one way or the other. Absolutely, of course, so the

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>other guys are gonna get singled up. They got to win.

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 2>If Pickens is killing the number two corner, can you

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of their next chest move whenever they take

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>their safety and roll them heavily to his side with

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>fire moveth running down the scenam or whatever, you know

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. Yeah, and I think this offense should

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<v Speaker 2>should and it should Yeah, it should.

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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely should happen this year for them. Yeah, but

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a Barnwall list that's actually on the funnel list much.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're usually a pretty rough on list builders.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 2>So one's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not bad, not bad. Barnwall did a good job

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>with that. I think he looked at that kind of

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the way that we would look at it. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I you know, I like the caveats that

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>he put in at the beginning of that. You know,

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>look at, hey, guy's been hurt. There's a good chance

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get hurt again. Michael Thomas, for example. I mean,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you can't count on Michael Thomas to say it's our

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>argument against Odell Beckham.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I say, you and I fought a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about the Ravens, but the counting on factor there is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I don't I don't know if you can

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<v Speaker 1>count on any of those guys for seventeen games, all right.

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Bateman is your maybe your most trustworthy. How

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<v Speaker 2>much has he played the last two years?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So interesting, interesting list and interesting way to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it. That's going to do it for our show today.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt, fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go, Yeah, here we go. We're a month

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<v Speaker 1>away here. We'll be continuing to crank out shows here

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<v Speaker 1>as we lead up the camp. Matt's back from vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go on vacation in a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna still do some shows here in that.

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<v Speaker 1>I might even take my I might do shows while

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on vacation. That's how much I love talking to you, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done it before too. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you know, I'm hanging around the family's out, running

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<v Speaker 1>around and splashing in the water. I don't tan, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It is always Steelers for an hour or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely absolutely, But that's going to do it for

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<v Speaker 1>our show today. So for my partner, Matt Williamson, I

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<v Speaker 1>am Dale Lolly. We appreciate you listening to this edition

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