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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Alli. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 1: we're going over Bill Barmwell's list of best skill position

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Speaker 1: guys for each NFL team, and we've gotten down to

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Speaker 1: number fourteen. Here just to run you through the list

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Speaker 1: here real quick to get to catch up to speed

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Speaker 1: if you didn't listen to the previous segment. At number

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Speaker 1: thirty or I'm sorry thirty two. The Houston Texans at

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Speaker 1: number thirty one, the Carolina Panthers at number thirty, the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals twenty nine, the Tennessee Titans twenty eight, the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, by the way, Steelers play a bunch

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Speaker 1: of these teams at the bottom of this list at

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, the New York Giants at twenty six, the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots at twenty five, the Indianapolis Colts at

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Speaker 1: twenty four, of the Denver Broncos twenty three, the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Rams twenty two, of the New York Jets twenty one,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders at twenty, the Buffalo Bills nineteen, the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs eighteen, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers seventeen, the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears sixteen, the Detroit Lions fifteen the Baltimore Ravens,

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Speaker 1: and that takes us the team number fourteen. They were

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Speaker 1: nineteenth going into twenty twenty one. They were twenty first

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Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty two. That would be your New

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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I was thinking about this one for a

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Speaker 2: while because if the Jets were like twenty two or

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Speaker 2: something like that, and let's just say a Lave and

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Speaker 2: Wilson cancel each other out, maybe one of you out

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Speaker 2: there likes one more than the other. I think they're

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Speaker 2: both really, really good. I don't think the Jets supporting

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Speaker 2: cast over the rest of the Saints supporting cast, especially

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Speaker 2: with the Kamara potential.

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Speaker 1: There's no but the potential suspension is not a suspension

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Speaker 1: as of yet. I know, I know, and given the

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Speaker 1: ways the league does things, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: going to get suspended or not. I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I thought that would happen by now and it hit.

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Speaker 2: I'm Michael Thomas for a lot of snaps.

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Speaker 1: But Rashid Rahika, Rashid Shaheed is good. Yeah. When he

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Speaker 1: when he went into the starting lineup in week thirteen,

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Speaker 1: he had twenty After that point, on from that point on.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking five weeks, twenty catches for three and

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Speaker 1: twenty four yards in a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you brought him up because I don't

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Speaker 2: think most people look at the Saints receivers this way,

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Speaker 2: but I think a Lave and Shaheed are the starters.

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Speaker 2: I mean one because they're they're they're the most viable guys.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Juwan Johnson had forty two catches and seven touchdowns

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 2: He's a sneaky dude too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean they've got some. They got some,

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Speaker 1: and you're you know, Kamara's good. Jamal Williams had seventeen

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Speaker 1: touchdowns for the Lions last year. Is he going to

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Speaker 1: do that again? Probably not, but he's a solid number

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they drafted a third round back too, and

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Speaker 2: Kendrick So yeah, they're very similar to the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would add the Jets higher than the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: But how were the Jets higher than they were? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, at thirteen, they were fifteenth. Going into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, they were twelfth. In twenty twenty two, they

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Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers consistent, right, there outside the top ten,

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Speaker 2: but not far. I think that's probably about right. You know,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about the teams around them. Of course. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's a superstar in the group, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's a weakness in the group. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we talk about this to no end. The five skill

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Speaker 2: guys that they can trot out there now in any combination,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Deontay Johnson in his first three seasons

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Speaker 1: had two hundred and fifty four catches and scored twenty touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to focus on Deontay Johnson not scoring a

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Speaker 1: touchdown last year, Day Johnson. Let me say it again,

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Speaker 1: in his first three seasons, Deontay Johnson had twenty touchdown catches.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't a Deontay Johnson thing last year. That was

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Speaker 1: a that was a Steelers offense thing. Last year. They

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Speaker 1: only had eleven touchdown passes as a team. You know

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Speaker 2: Like, numbers are all really good except.

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Speaker 1: Except for touchdowns, right, I mean that that's it. That's

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Speaker 1: the Steelers across the board. Last year, all the receivers numbers.

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Speaker 1: You know when you looked at the numbers, we're okay.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you put your finger over the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, particularly through the air than they did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about this. How about this stat for George

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Speaker 1: Pickens George Pickens expected catch rate last year? Do you

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Speaker 1: what it was? No, fifty one point four percent. He

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Speaker 1: caught sixty one point nine percent of his passes.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good sign.

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Speaker 1: He was ten He was ten percentage points above what

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Speaker 1: his catch rate should have been.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So to explain that to people, sometimes that means

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Speaker 2: top of that list too, because quarterback missed him over

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the list of guys, okay, who have run

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Speaker 1: rate of ten percentage points better than expected. This is

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Speaker 1: little bit. It's Doug Baldwin, Stephan Diggs, Pierre Garson, which

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Speaker 1: tells you it does go back quite a ways and he.

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Speaker 2: Had some good years.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Lockett, and Michael Thomas. Michael

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Speaker 2: Like Kyle Pitts and Drake London had awful quarterback accuracy,

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Speaker 2: so they should have caught more passes in and I

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Speaker 2: know how they do it is like if they've simulated

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Speaker 2: a million times, you should catch would you say fifty

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Speaker 2: So some of those guys, like Michael Thomas was get

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Speaker 2: catching the ball from Drew Brees, but the way next

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Speaker 2: gen does it or Deangre Hawkins is a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: Those guys apply more pickens than his quarterbacks stunk in

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Speaker 2: that most receivers won't catch a ball when X defender

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Speaker 2: that type of stuff, you know, like where Hopkins is

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Speaker 2: awesome at that. You know Thomas's slants shielding guys and

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Speaker 2: contested situation. So that's a pickens like number that totally

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Speaker 1: So thirteen. Not bad there, you know, we'll see. I

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Speaker 2: They are on offense, you think that this group is

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Speaker 2: still ascending, although they were but twelfth and fifteenth the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean if they play, so if they

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Speaker 1: right again, you start you start scoring better, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: his touchdown production. Only hit seven last year. Let's say

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Speaker 1: he he gets to twenty plus this year. Now, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're looking at that skill position group

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that there's a star in the group.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a star right now. I mean

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Speaker 2: the Kelsey tops Stiggs Pickens could be this time next year,

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Speaker 2: could be in the Andrews conversation this time next year.

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Speaker 1: But I let you if you've got if you're five

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Speaker 1: solid guys to me, and this is this list shows

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Speaker 1: that because we talked about it with Kelsey, talked about

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Speaker 1: it with some of these other teams. They have one

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree less so than an O line

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Speaker 2: secondary those two positions. I really want no holes because

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Speaker 2: you know, an uncoverable guy has a ton of value.

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Speaker 2: Where you know a corner have a d on, you

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Speaker 2: just don't throw at them. You know where the offense

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Speaker 2: can dictate things. But I'm with you. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: would much rather have these groups than the Chiefs or

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Speaker 1: Right now, I mean, right now, if I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the Steelers offensively, you're if you're just looking at the

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Speaker 1: five guys you're gonna put on the field on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis. Your worst guy's Alan Robinson.

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Speaker 2: And there's backup plans.

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Speaker 1: And there's backup plans there. Your second worst guy's Nasie Harris.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty you know, a solid NFL running back to

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Speaker 1: those top three guys are all okay, yeah, to win

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course, We're going to talk Steelers to

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Speaker 2: no end, and people have heard us talk this conversation.

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Speaker 2: But I've been in Barnwell shoes where I'm ranking national stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to put a ton of

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Speaker 1: Right, they're not even in the conversation, right, They're not.

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Speaker 2: Even the conversation, and nor should they be. That know

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Speaker 2: every team. But I really like their death guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at twelve they were fourth in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea how they were fourth on this

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Speaker 1: how and why. But they shouldn't have been there. In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two they were twenty third. Wow, this year

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Speaker 1: there twelveth the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: They must have been super high when they thought Beckham

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Speaker 1: When people still thought Odell Beckham was good, when people

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Speaker 1: thought when people thought Jarvis Landry was still good.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hunt and Chubb, Yeah, I love Chubb. I mean

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Speaker 2: I think he's maybe the best running back of the line.

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's a great running back.

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Speaker 1: But as Bill said, the running backs don't matter as

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Speaker 1: much in this equation. They don't factor in quite as heavily.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade the Steelers group for the Browns group.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's you know, it's Amari Cooper and

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Speaker 1: some unproven stuff. Much as much as I like Elijah Moore,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm inn Djoku guy, but I prefer Friar Mooth. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I love Elijah Moore, but he hasn't done much.

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Speaker 2: People's Jones some possibilities. Tillman's a nice draft pick for them.

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Speaker 2: I think Cooper is one of the more overrated players

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not getting any younger and his cold weather

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Speaker 1: splits are a real thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, they wouldn't be far off of

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Speaker 2: twelve for me, but I would have the Steelers ahead

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Speaker 2: of them at number eleven.

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Speaker 1: They were twenty second and twenty twenty one. They were

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Speaker 1: number two going into last year. They're now number eleven.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders, Oh that rubs me wrong a little.

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Speaker 1: That's rough.

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Speaker 2: Jacobs is coming off an awesome year, but he's a

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is still DeVante Adams.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jakobe Myers is a nice you could play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Okay, this one's a little m At number ten. They

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Speaker 1: They have two, they have three top ten draft picks

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Speaker 2: Yes, but then anything yet, then the numbers aren't great.

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Speaker 2: Then you know one of them is a running back transcendent.

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Speaker 2: When I get that, blah blah blah and spot four

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Speaker 2: it's a three, three man show. I love London, I

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Speaker 1: Mac Collins is your number three. Yeah, you know, Johnny

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Speaker 2: So I about trying to get a rise out of people.

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Speaker 2: But if the Falcons called me and said, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you Pits or London for anyone on your offensive five,

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Speaker 2: But now we're getting into mac Collins's you know what

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Speaker 1: Here's how he justifies this. He said, if you gave

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Speaker 1: the three hundred and seventy nine he ran with the Falcons,

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Speaker 2: I think London's really, really good. Yeah, he's one of

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Speaker 2: the only rookie receivers I would trade pickings for today.

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Speaker 1: Pitt's catch rate, however, last year, dropped below fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and again that's because I mean the uncatchable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're talking. We're talking about a tight end

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Speaker 2: But I can see where they could get to be there.

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Speaker 1: Again, I think they could be there at the end

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not even even caring what the quarterback

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Speaker 2: I really like three of them, but I don't have

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Speaker 1: Three at number nine. They were twenty fifth in twenty

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Speaker 1: They're now not in the Jacksonville Jaguars clearly improving.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question they're doing things around their quarterback. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how or what you get out

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Speaker 2: And also it's awesome, but that's mini camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's running against their guys and we saw this.

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Speaker 1: The reports last year were great on Deshaun Watson in

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Speaker 2: Right, all reports would be good on it everybody in June, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: You know again, Calvin Ridley's what twenty nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. He did not come into the

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I mean, I like Ingram,

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Speaker 1: Kirk's a good wide receiver. I like Zay Jones, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's good. I think the quarterback makes it better.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, it's good. Yes, I mean again, it does

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Speaker 2: have something. And Ryans through the Steelers a little bit

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Speaker 2: in that they have six or seven that I liked

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Speaker 2: a lot. You know, I'm not sure there's a stud.

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Speaker 1: Well, this next team does have a stud. And they're

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Speaker 1: still eighth. They were twenty first and twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I think they have two dudes period. Yeah. Yeah, their

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Speaker 2: Gyseki and Long are both gone and neither one was

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Speaker 1: Eric Saubert is the fifteen catches last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the running back is totally by committee.

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Speaker 2: Those two dudes are awesome, but in a way they're

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Speaker 2: not much different than the ram I mean, they're like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, those two guys are both awesome. They'd be

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Speaker 2: Every defense coordinator is going, yeah, those two are awesome

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Speaker 2: and you can't take both away. And I understand that.

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Speaker 2: But if this is a five man plus depth ranking

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Speaker 1: That's still a team that scored. What would they have

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Speaker 1: touchdowns last year against the Steelers in that game in Miami. No,

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Speaker 1: twice on two different drives to win that game. Like,

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Speaker 1: the game because they're both. They're not the biggest guys,

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Speaker 1: they're both. They're both they both can fly. They're absolute,

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Speaker 2: Real quick, because I know this team, of course is

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Speaker 2: going to come up. Would you rather play against Hill

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Speaker 2: and Waddle or Chasing Higgins? I don't know which one

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Speaker 2: I'd pick. I mean, I think they're very.

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Speaker 1: Well who's the quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Good point? Good point?

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Speaker 1: That makes a difference, Like if are people talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, chasing Higgins the same way I twists throwing

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Speaker 2: Or what if it's Josh Allen or Mahomes or right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that matters too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a twothesome as there is in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good. They're good at numbers. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: they were ranked number two. In twenty twenty two, they

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Speaker 2: I can see why they were so high. I mean

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Speaker 2: and Gallup's not injured, and I mean when he.

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Speaker 1: Had you had Cooper there as well. I mean that

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Speaker 2: Point, Lamb's stud. I don't think he's cup Tyreek stud,

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Speaker 2: but close. It's a good group. I mean they were

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Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks like move and.

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Speaker 1: He's he's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's probably a high end number two, but

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Speaker 1: he's a high end number two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So is he better than any of the

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Speaker 2: Steelers receivers, I honestly don't know, But he's in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Pollard was a really good football player last year.

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Speaker 2: He's hard to play against, big play guy, catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know where they're short at this year is at

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They got three unknowns.

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Speaker 1: There at number six. In twenty twenty one, they were five,

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Speaker 1: The Vikings, if.

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Speaker 2: We were drafting Justin Jefferson would be my first pick

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Speaker 2: for this exercise. Probably for fantasy too, but I wasn't

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Speaker 2: talking fantasy, but like, I think he has the most

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Hawkinson's a nice second.

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Speaker 2: Option first round pick. There is your third pass catchers

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Speaker 2: not bad. kJ Osborne's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't love the backs.

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Speaker 1: I don't love the backs, you know. I who's the

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Speaker 1: receiver the other receiver I'm thinking of their uh, kJ.

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Speaker 2: Osborne, Osborne, Maddison.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Osborne's not bad.

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Speaker 2: If he's a three now after drafting Addison, Yeah, that's fine. Replacement.

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Speaker 2: I don't love it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right at number five they were twentieth and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, they were sixth. Last year, their fifth

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Speaker 2: The Chargers pretty good. I mean kind of like the

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Speaker 2: Viking argument that you're mid to late first round rookie

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Speaker 2: is your third wide out? Might your second? Like it

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Speaker 2: is a many. Yeah, they don't have the Jefferson. I

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Speaker 2: still think Evert's a decent player and Eckler's a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Eckler's yeah, he's I mean two years in a row,

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Speaker 1: he's had almost twenty touchdowns. Yeah. Now, Keenan Allen, Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen and Mike Williams have been banged up certainly last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially Allen maybe, but they're still good, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Eckler is really good.

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Speaker 1: At number four, they were eighth and twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks, Hm, how were they thirteenth last year?

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question too. I mean, I love

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Speaker 2: for this conversation. You bring in Charbonnet and Smith Najigbo.

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Speaker 2: That's nice, you know what I mean? Like that, that's nice,

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Speaker 2: and you already had two really good receivers and I

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Speaker 2: I mean they have a big committee at tight end, which.

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Speaker 1: Is right, right, Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: At number three, they were twenty ninth in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: They were eighth last year. They're now third the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Hmm, pretty good. I mean I might take the last

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Speaker 2: two teams ahead of them, just because I think they're

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Speaker 2: a little top heavy. That they're five isn't awesome. Their

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Speaker 2: running backs are questionable, They're not echoler. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think Brown and Smith aren't far off the conversation of

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Speaker 2: Hill Waddle Chase Higgins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dallas Goddard carry some weight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt Hawkinson like weight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I would probably take them over Seattle. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. And I like Smith and Jigma and Charbonne

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Speaker 2: and they are great, but their rookies yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good group. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At number two, people are going to be shocked by this.

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Speaker 1: They were thirteenth in twenty twenty one, they were number

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Speaker 1: one last year. They're now two. Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: See, I'm not shocked by it, like I'm sure we

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Speaker 2: figured out that the last two teams are the Bengals

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Speaker 2: and the Niners. And I think Chase could be an

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Speaker 2: all time great. I mean, I think he's amazing, Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he could be as good as any receiver.

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Speaker 2: He could be Antonio Brown, I mean maybe. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and Higgins is really good. I think the rest of

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Speaker 2: the group's overrated, though, Like I thought Mixton was bad

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Speaker 2: last year, and I think Boyd is fine. But he's

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Speaker 2: a three on any team he's on. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think people wait that much. The non two studs,

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Speaker 2: I think get a little too much credit in since.

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Speaker 1: He Yeah, Hayden Hurst to Irv Smith at tight end.

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Speaker 2: Right right, that's low on the list.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Irv Smith hasn't played a lot of football the

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Speaker 1: last three years.

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Speaker 2: Really hard to count on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's averaged seven games a year the last

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Speaker 1: three years.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't been that low. Yeah, he's played.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's missed twenty nine out of fIF fifty possible

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Speaker 1: games the past three seasons.

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Speaker 2: Like, I know this isn't what we're talking about big picture,

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Speaker 2: but if they can't keep Higgins, Chase isn't going anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna be awesome, But all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: they could be fifteenth on this list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they don't have any wide receiver depth. No

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Speaker 1: behind those guys, some dudes out of the.

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Speaker 2: Blue, but they're just taking shots in the mid rounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that of course leaves you at number one.

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Speaker 1: They were twelfth and twenty twenty one. They were third

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Speaker 1: last year, they're number one this year. The forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree, Like that's the whole that's my whole

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Speaker 1: argument with the whole rock party thing. Oh yeah, like

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Speaker 1: put Kenny Pickett on it, with that group of skill

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Speaker 1: position guys, with that play caller, that scheme, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's going crazy last year.

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Speaker 2: Going crazy.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny because I mentioned I've been doing some

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Speaker 2: DVOA stuff and we were talking about offensive final DVOA

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Speaker 2: and then Niners and the Dolphins ended up six and

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Speaker 2: seventh in offensive DBA or seven and eight. They were,

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Speaker 2: you know, what's the difference, And we figured out between

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Speaker 2: the two of them, they played seven different quarterbacks in Miami.

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Speaker 2: In San Franz. Still, guys in system sure helps you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, right, skill guys in particular, I

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Speaker 2: mean that San Francisco's offense.

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Speaker 1: If if, for example, they would have had to play

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Speaker 1: Bruck Purdy and they didn't have Christian McCaffrey, completely different

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Speaker 1: experience in my opinion, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean the beauty of this team is who's your

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Speaker 2: fourth best option? Hittle, Right, they're fourth best options, way

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Speaker 2: better than anyone else is in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody is getting a good matchup, is the point?

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Speaker 2: Always, always, always, always, all do different stuff too. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a great ensemble. I mean, I give them all

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Speaker 2: the credit in the world. I mean, they team built

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Speaker 2: that beautifully to fit whatever quarterback and their play caller.

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Speaker 2: But they all can hurt you in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: And even like you, check has value.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's going to get real expensive for them

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Speaker 1: here soon, right, And.

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Speaker 2: How much does McCaffrey have left? And you know, I

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Speaker 2: bet Ayuk isn't back in the big picture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from the time let's see, from the time McCaffrey joined.

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Speaker 2: I mean McCaffrey's addition. People forget that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at I thought I thought he had

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Speaker 1: the numbers there, but he doesn't have the numbers, okay,

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Speaker 1: of what he finished with, just with the forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 1: But I have to look at that, but he was,

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Speaker 1: I mean as a past catcher alone, he makes them

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Speaker 1: ridiculously dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculously dangerous, right, I mean he's I don't know, is

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Speaker 2: he the twentieth best pass catcher on the planet right now?

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Speaker 2: Including Kelsey and Chase and Diggs and Hill and all

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Speaker 2: those you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about about this group is that

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Speaker 1: they're there four or five guys are all when healthy,

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Speaker 1: and that's been an issue for Kittle in particular. But

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Speaker 1: when they're when they're healthy and rolling, I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: all like top twenty five to thirty guys, right.

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Speaker 2: And McCaffrey's like one at his position, Kittle's two or

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Speaker 2: three at his position. Ayuk and Debo are still twenty

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Speaker 2: five to thirtyth you know, on the planet. But they're

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Speaker 2: I don't know, fifteenth best receiver something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's a good, solid group. This

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Speaker 1: is what yeah, I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: What they're Number four is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: This is what the Steelers could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is.

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Speaker 1: What you this is what you should be hoping they

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Speaker 1: turn into. Now, maybe they don't have the talent. The

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Speaker 1: overall talent to be that. But I think you know

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Speaker 1: friar Mouth versus Kittles, As friar Mooth continues to I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the guy that that Friar moof talks about wanting.

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Speaker 1: He wants to get you know, kittles, run after the

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Speaker 1: catch ability, that kind of stuff, you know, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you know. Naujie Harris is never gonna

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Speaker 1: be McCaffrey as a pass catcher, No, but he catches

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Speaker 1: the ball well.

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Speaker 2: But I think your point isn't necessarily can any of

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Speaker 2: their running backs turn into McCaffrey, Can anyone turn into

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Speaker 2: the third best tight end in the planet and a

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Speaker 2: possible Hall of Fame? Or more so, can your fourth

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Speaker 2: and fifth guy on the field raise the level and

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Speaker 2: kill single coverage or kill you know that type of thing?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's what needs to happen in those situations

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Speaker 1: because teams, you know, are a team's gonna roll coverages

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. Absolutely, of course, so the

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Speaker 1: other guys are gonna get singled up. They got to win.

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Speaker 2: If Pickens is killing the number two corner, can you

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Speaker 2: take advantage of their next chest move whenever they take

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Speaker 2: their safety and roll them heavily to his side with

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Speaker 2: fire moveth running down the scenam or whatever, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, and I think this offense should

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Speaker 2: should and it should Yeah, it should.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely should happen this year for them. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's a Barnwall list that's actually on the funnel list much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're usually a pretty rough on list builders.

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Speaker 2: So one's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not bad, not bad. Barnwall did a good job

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Speaker 1: with that. I think he looked at that kind of

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Speaker 1: the way that we would look at it. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I like the caveats that

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Speaker 1: he put in at the beginning of that. You know,

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Speaker 1: look at, hey, guy's been hurt. There's a good chance

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get hurt again. Michael Thomas, for example. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't count on Michael Thomas to say it's our

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Speaker 1: argument against Odell Beckham.

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Speaker 2: Now, I say, you and I fought a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the Ravens, but the counting on factor there is brutal.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't I don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: count on any of those guys for seventeen games, all right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Bateman is your maybe your most trustworthy. How

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Speaker 2: much has he played the last two years?

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Speaker 1: Right? So interesting, interesting list and interesting way to look

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Speaker 1: at it. That's going to do it for our show today.

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Speaker 2: Matt, fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Yeah, here we go. We're a month

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Speaker 1: away here. We'll be continuing to crank out shows here

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Speaker 1: as we lead up the camp. Matt's back from vacation.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go on vacation in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna still do some shows here in that.

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Speaker 1: I might even take my I might do shows while

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Speaker 1: I'm on vacation. That's how much I love talking to you, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I've done it before too. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, I'm hanging around the family's out, running

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Speaker 1: around and splashing in the water. I don't tan, so

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: It is always Steelers for an hour or so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, But that's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: our show today. So for my partner, Matt Williamson, I

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Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. We appreciate you listening to this edition

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Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And you can

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