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Jacobin cannot recommend this 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:50.600 piece highly enough. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.199 This is d one. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.200 When we can put the tear sheet up on the screen, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.360 you absolutely must go check it out over at Jacobin. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.840 The headline here Jeffrey Epstein encouraged Peter Teal's pull it 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:04.399 up journey. So Branco, let's just start with the highlights. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.240 After spending so much time piecing together these emails between 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.199 Peter Tiel and Jeffrey Epstein, of which there are many, 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.360 what can you tell us about how close the relationship 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:17.520 was and why? 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.800 Over what types of issues did they bond? 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.120 Yeah, well, thanks for having First of all, they were 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.760 extremely close. There's some people that I've written about in 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.399 the context of Epstein, billionaires and you who you know, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.360 They say, well, just because they were mentioned in emails 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.680 by Epstein doesn't mean that they actually had any kind 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.360 of relationship with them. You can safely say that is 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.680 not the case with Peter tel Teal is all over 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.520 these emails. They are communicating very frequently over the course 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.680 of years. They're having fun calls, they having meetings face 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.040 to face. Epstein is introducing him to, you know, people 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:56.360 that he seems to think will be particularly useful and influential. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:57.280 Fatill t Nar. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 So you know, Epstein is also showering him with all 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.000 kinds of gifts. He's offering to fly into his island 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.640 and his helicopters. He's offering him at one point fifty 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.680 million to one hundred million dollars to invest. He's giving 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:18.600 him tax advice. He's in turn soliciting investment advice from Teal. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.160 A Teal at one point introduces Epstein to some of 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.520 his valor co founders and he suggests to put in 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.400 ten million to twenty million dollars into a new fund 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.840 their starting At one point, Epstein even suggests, you know, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.720 Teal can use one of his top sleep doctors in 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.400 New York. He says, I want you to stay alive. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.000 So it was a very close relationship and the kinds 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.760 of things they bonded over. I mean, there's a variety 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.720 of things that they talked about, you know. But I 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.520 think that the most pertinent thing to me and looking 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.880 through his emails, is the way that Epstein seems to 0:02:54.919 --> 0:03:00.960 be very interested in Teal's kind of budding involvement and 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.520 interest in politics and geopolitics, and how he seems to 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:09.440 want to develop and encourage that by kind of introducing 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.679 him to a wide variety of influential players around the 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.000 world and in the context of the US. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.519 And what I think is so interesting about Epstein and 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.959 who he was connected to, and also Teel aside from 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:27.480 the obvious is both of these guys were kind of 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:32.280 on the pioneer of where the kind of Davos world was. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.200 I don't even even the more extreme weird wing of 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.560 the Davos world almost was headed, particularly when it comes 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.800 to kind of eugenics, when it when it comes to 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:49.520 mass surveillance and you deploying technologies like Palanteer, that deal 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:54.120 was developing to usher in kind of new world. Also, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.320 bitcoin and AI like Epstein Teel like, they were both 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.720 talking about that stuff so much earlier. You know then 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.320 you know, either the public or even kind of other 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.520 people in their set. So what do you make of 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.040 that kind of the ability that they had to see 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.719 where their kind of social set was heading and also 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.960 to kind of drive it in that direction a little bit. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.480 Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned cryptocurrency because that is a 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.560 big theme I think in Epstein's emails in general, but 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:32.960 particularly with his relationship with Teal. Epstein kind of suggests 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.920 in one early email when he's trying to get in 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.440 touch with Teal, and by the way, he is really 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.840 before they've become friends. He is really trying to meet 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.599 Teal and to forge a connection with him. You know, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.520 I think I counted something like ten different times of 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.239 the course of two years that he is emailing people 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.080 trying to set up some kind of meeting with him. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.520 I mean, he says that one of the things that 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.760 is interesting him that he hopes they can connect with 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.240 Teal of is this idea of creating a new financial 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.960 system and alternative financial system. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.400 Some of that sounds a bit silly. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.239 He kind of envisions Facebook being the kind of basis 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.000 for a new financial system where you trade favors instead 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.280 of currency. But when you read through the emails, it's 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.320 clear that Epstein's interest in cryptocurrency was a big part 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.840 of this, and you know, I think he hoped to 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.040 use the Teal connection to try and usher this new 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:32.000 world into into existence. I think there's another aspect where, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.320 you know, the fact that these guys are both incredibly 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.040 wealthy and that they kind of feel themselves that are 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.599 removed from the rest of humanity. I think both gives 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:47.200 them the kind of impulse to embark on what might 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.839 look to us like almost wacky schemes. But you know, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.719 the ones that they're very serious about, and ones obviously 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.720 have very far reaching implications. And you know, in terms 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.400 of the idea of kind of extending lifespan and you know, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:08.200 kind of going beyond the limits of normal human existence. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.440 I would also point to this didn't make it into 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.080 the piece, but there's a exchange that they have where 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.760 it's very brief. Epstein asked Teal, as he does many times, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.040 whether he's going to come to New York, and Teal 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.159 responds with something like, you know, I don't have any 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.239 interest in coming. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:25.920 To the zoo. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.240 This week or something, and Epstein replies, you know, well, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.599 sometimes it's fun to look at animals. There's a I 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:39.880 think that exchange kind of betrays a certain way that 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.039 these guys look at the rest of the world. You know, 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.080 they're so far removed from everyone else that I think 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.680 they kind of view the world as in the rest 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.719 of humanity is is almost kind of a Petri dish 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.400 for for themselves to kind of play around and and 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.440 and re re forge in the in the vision that 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:57.960 they see. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.960 For Yeah, a couple of things that stood out to me. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.440 I mean, there's a lot that stood out, but a 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.599 couple of other things they seem to be trying to 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.520 Epstein seems to try to be brokering relationships between Teal 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.200 and the intelligence community. Also people like ultra wealthy both 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.280 businessman like Tom Barack. If I'm remembering correctly, who's what 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:18.800 our current ambassador. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:23.520 To the UAE. He was UAE now he's yeah, but 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.120 he was Trump one UAE, right, Ryan. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:31.000 He would know he was doing illegal lobbying for a right. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.120 Not so he was sort of an ambassador in one 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.000 sense or the other. But he's trying to I can't 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:38.640 tell if you I'm curious if you read it this 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.080 way as well. Branco, that's he's almost trying to like 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.080 curry favor with Epstein by doing favors for him. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.080 It seems like he's going out of. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.560 His way to try to help Teal, that Epstein's going 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.360 out of his way to try to help Teal make 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.840 all of these introductions, and then he's advising him on 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.840 his speech at the r NC. It just knowing how 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.680 much Epstein hates Trump and communicates how much he hates 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:01.560 Trump to others. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.040 His relationship with Steve. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.200 Bannon as much kind of more frank about that, whereas 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.720 with Teal, it's almost like he's trying to imply it 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.960 a Teal that he's fully on board with Trump there's 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.640 just some weird undercurrents. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.640 I My sense from looking at probably this one thousands 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.680 of these emails is that Epstein did have this falling 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.840 out with Trump, and he was very disdainful towards Trump. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.520 He did not think very highly of him. But I 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.720 think he understood that Trump was obviously a very influential 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.520 and increasingly powerful person. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:31.680 And could be bought in some ways. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:32.800 Yeah. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.880 Yeah, and I think Epstein understood that it was probably 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.240 in his interest to have some kind of in with 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.640 Trump release his administration, and Teal I think was. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:46.200 Was his end. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.720 I mean, when Epstein finds out that Teal is a 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.000 Trump delegate, that's when he starts sending him these emails 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.840 trying to help him kind of increase his influence within 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.880 Trump's circles, trying to advise him on how to you know, 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.480 not pass off Trump basically and get himself kind of 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.880 kicked out of the in a circle. I mean, you know, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.920 he tells him, Hey, I heard that you met with 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.559 Tom Barack, and he basically says to him, I can 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.800 I can you know, make that meeting happen? You should 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.320 know him if you if you can kind of have 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.240 your advice listen to by him, You'll be able to 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.760 increase your influence within Trump's Trump's world. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.520 Later on, yeah, he broke as a meeting between them. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.480 He reads a BuzzFeed article where Teal is quoted saying 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.840 some unflattering things about Trump, and he tells him, hey, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:37.800 be careful. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.680 You know Trump is very vindictive. You don't want. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.719 To anger him and kind of get kicked out of 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.280 the clubhouse. And sure enough, from what I could see 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.679 after that that email assent, Teal does not say anything 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.720 negative about Trump up to He's very careful to always 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.199 say positive things. So I think there was a was 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.080 a realization by Epstein similar to the interest he took 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.880 in Steve Bannon, where he similarly tried to introduce him 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.000 to many many powerful and influential people. You gave him 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.400 advice and so on and so forth. I think he realized, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.400 these two guys are going to be important power players. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.920 They're going to be influential within the Trump presidency and 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.640 whatever comes after it, and it's probably better for me 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.120 to have a good relationship with him and to have 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:29.079 a kind of in and you know, the intelligence side 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:29.440 of things. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.959 The the some of the other people that he introduced 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.199 him too. I think there's a similar thing going on. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.400 The names that come up when when Epstein was trying 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.600 to introduce Teal to people includes Bill Burns, who became 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.320 the CIA director under Biden. At the time he was 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.800 a State Department official. They include Kathy Rumler, who was 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.280 the Abartment White House Council once upon a time. He 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.160 says to her at one point when when he's trying 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.679 to get hit to meet Teal, you know, you should bring. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:58.640 Some of your spook friends. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.680 So Epstein seemed to have a particular interest in kind 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.880 of connecting Teal to the world of intelligence. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.920 And of course, you know what has happened since. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.319 Then, a Teal is very much deep in the in 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.479 the world of intelligence. You know, Epstein introduced Teal to Hubbarak. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.720 Teal now has this major partnership with the Israeli military. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.840 At the same time, Teal also his companies have increasingly 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:35.439 aligned themselves with this kind of interventionist, pro war side 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.400 of the political spectrum in the United States. Whereas Teal 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 used to be, you know, at the time that he 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.240 was had first met Epstein, he was someone who described 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.240 himself as a non interventionist, and he was against the 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.960 US fighting all these wars. So you know whether it's 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.880 what role Epstein played in that. You know, we we 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.160 can only speculate, but Epstein's desire to have it kind 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.439 of have a teal. It's more politically involved and you know, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.280 a list of us to war. I think has worked 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.240 out for him, even if he didn't live to see 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:08.679 it happen. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:14.120 Well, Bronco, great reporting. Really appreciate you being here. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.400 Yeah, thanks for having I. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.440 Just encourage everybody to check out his piece. Bronco Marsh, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:25.440 teacher of Jackoman magazine. EPA administrator Lee Zelden came to 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.640 Capitol Hill yesterday appeared before the Energy and Commerce Subcommittee 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.320 on the Environment, where he was grilled by AOC over 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:37.080 glyphasate and exposing what is a kind of fascinating rift 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.560 developing between Trump and the MAHA movement. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.040 This is a longer. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.160 Exchange than we usually play from hearings like this, but 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.319 I think after you watch it, you're going to agree 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.920 that the entire thing was worth including let's. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:50.840 Roll that now. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.720 Secretary Kennedy was here a couple of weeks ago and 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.160 when he was asked about glyph estate and the rollbacks 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.760 against protections against toxic chemical. He said that we would 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.120 quote have to ask Lee Zelden about that. So you're 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:11.840 here before us today, Administrator Zelden. Have you ever participated 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.400 in a meeting with Bayer where you discussed the legal 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.840 or litigation issues that the company was facing. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:19.280 No? 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.800 I never did, okay, I have My meeting with them 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.880 was very brief and that topic did not come up. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.560 All right, I do. Are you aware of any outreach 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.440 that they would have in your agency about this? 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.440 I could say that I directly had a brief meeting, okay, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.960 but it was a brief meet and greet and that 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:38.920 topic did not come up. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:43.680 Thank you, mister chair. I'd like to submit EPA visitor 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:49.920 logs from July seventh, twenty twenty five to the committee with. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.240 That rejection ordered. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:56.320 And you're certain they didn't bring up anything regarding. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:14:00.400 Your work, I'm telling you one hundred percent absolutely. I 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.480 maybe there was some brainstorming that was done beforehand of 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.120 potential talk. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:05.480 Are you aware of any topic? 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.640 Are you aware of anything brought up to any members 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:10.920 of your staff or your team? 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.920 I am not aware of that now. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.880 In this internal email in your EPA, it says that 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:23.080 Beyer was specifically seeking to and discussing Supreme Court action. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:29.240 They will want an update on EPA's regulatory review and that, interestingly, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.120 Beyer will provide a small thanks for updating the Glypha 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.080 Sate web page from the EPA and work on MAHA. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.320 Do you have any idea what they might have been 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:41.520 referring to in this email? 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.720 Well, first off, as I mentioned a few minutes ago, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.280 it's possible that the team was doing brainstorming of potential topics. Okay, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.960 as somebody who actually attended to thank you. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.800 I'm sorry, I just have forty seconds. I'm not trying 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.520 to be rude. This Glypha Sate update that they're referring 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.120 to seems to be correlated to the EPA agency with 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.440 drawing its support for California's cancer warning on Glynphy Say. Now, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.760 this is important because five days after the EPO this year, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.120 Beyer filed their opening brief to the Supreme Court, citing 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.160 the Trump's executive order and hinging their case on the 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.080 EPA's warnings or lack thereof of glyphassay. So we have 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.440 internal emails from your agency saying that Beyer wanted to 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:31.240 thank you and your agency for removing support for California's 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.200 warning because their court their their case before the Supreme 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.200 Court right now, hinges on you not warning the American 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.520 people and withdrawing your support on Glyphys. Do you understand 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.080 the conflict of interest that is before the American people 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.960 right now? Mister Secretary, thank you. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.680 The gentleman may respond, Okay, So right now EPA is 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:02.720 completing a an assessment do in twenty twenty six, and 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.800 I understand this is a very important topic for many 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.920 people in this country. This review that the EPA is 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.600 being conducted. My guidance two dedicated career staffers and then 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.480 we have people who've been there for twenty thirty years. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:18.160 Is that I don't want to. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.200 Preach taking a while, Secretary Zone, because let me ask, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.160 the Supreme Court is going to be making decisions this 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.160 week and Congress is voting this week on legal immunity. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.920 You made your point. Now I'm asking do you? I answer, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.480 this is an important part of this and I'm sure 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:32.040 you also. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.240 And I think the timing is also very important, Secretary Zone. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:36.760 The general aged time has expired. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.080 Thank you, So before we break down that exchange, let's roll. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.120 Thomas Massey, Republican Congressman, giving the kind of Maha angle 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:46.480 on this. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.560 One of the things in the farm belob still trying 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.960 to get out of it. Was successful in getting this 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.960 out of prior bills is immunity for a German company 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.400 called Bear that makes blyfe to say this is to 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.120 grant farmers immunity. This is to grant corporation immunity if 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.360 they give farmers. If farmers contract a form of cancer 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.960 or non Hodgson salamphoma from this chemical, if this makes 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.080 it into the farm belt. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:14.520 Won't be able. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.399 You won't be able to sue for that. And I 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.600 know they're dealing with some similar legislation at the state level. 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.600 One of the things that I liked about that AOC's 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.920 element Exchange is that she's been a pretty loyal kind 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:33.119 of Democratic Party figure fairly and hasn't done a huge 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.920 amount of kind of reach out to particularly to say 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.000 Mago or Maha, even though there are a lot of 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:44.040 positions that she has that can be very appealing to 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:51.840 people in those coalitions. This is a perfect example of it. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.239 What did you make of a substance of the back 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:53.880 and forth too? 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.960 Yeah, I mean this is Lee Zelden in the I 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.840 mean when he was picked for EPA, it was obvious 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.520 there was going to be significant tension between him and 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.200 Maha because he's in the position of being a Trump 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.240 loyalist and Republicans are totally in the pocket of these 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.600 big AG companies, Like in they both parties have their 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:17.760 kind of big. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:20.119 Benefactors. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.919 For Republicans, what do they share, Yeah. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.720 They share a lot of them, but for Republicans based 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.320 on the states that they come from, of course, like 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.679 one of them is his AG. It's it's a huge, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.720 huge lobby. And so Zelden's in this position of being 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.240 a loyalist to Trump trumps all of these rich friends. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.280 In fact, it's why people believe he's not doing a 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.720 lot of workforce immigration enforcement is that AG guys call 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.520 up and be like, I can't afford to lose all 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.840 of these workers if you start implementing e Verify or 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.480 the like. And they're very influential on Donald Trump. And 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.920 Trump doesn't need to get reelected again, but he does 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.200 like to keep people that he knows happy and basically 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.239 these responsive to people who pick up the phone. And 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.359 Zelden is a pretty normy Republican who also now because 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.760 he's an EPA, has to be a Trump loyalist. It 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.359 actually might have been interesting to see Bobby Kennedy at 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.480 EPA and not at HHS. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:11.840 I don't know. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.800 Obama considered Bobby Kennedy for EPA and ultimately decided he 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.560 was kind of too radical. At the time, someone posted 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.119 this fascinating magazine cover from the late two thousands. I 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.360 want to say it was like Vanity Fair with Julia Roberts, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:32.439 George Clooney and Bobby Kennedy warning about climate change. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.200 It's just like, yeah, he was a leading environmental attorney 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.200 for decades. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:41.960 Well a far cry from Lee's Eldon. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:47.320 Basically, yeah, exactly. The substance of it is truly incredible. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:52.200 So effectively Lee's Alden went and changed the EPA's public 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:58.000 positioning when it came to round up. The fact that 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.800 he changed that public positioning was then extremely useful to 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:06.280 them as they moved through the courts trying to fend 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.760 off all of the various challenges from all the destruction 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.800 that the ground up is causing. They then meet with 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:18.320 him to thank him for doing that, and he denies 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.640 that it remotely came up, and AOC has him kind 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:23.560 of caught red handed. 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.840 And I was a little angry. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.440 I'm like, hold on, this is we're supposed to be 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.840 doing the foyas and breaking this news. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.600 Excuse me, Actually, it's oversight. 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.600 Is her job, that's the point of the committee. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:38.080 That's true. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.560 No, and also nothing stopping us from doing it, So 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.040 it's on us where we failed. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.439 She got there first. Kudos for the kudos for the 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.760 scoop you can put up E four. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.520 This is not a remotely a Republican issue. 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:55.080 This story is awesome. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.760 Yeah, tell us about tell us about this one. So 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:58.879 are you sharing some of it? 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:05.160 Yesterday Halverson went out into a bunch of California wilderness 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:11.040 and discovered just mass use of roundup, you know near 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.600 I think also in National park space because they're using 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.960 the space essentially as tree farms. Right, you can log 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.760 and grow trees faster if you use glaphy sate and 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.240 just I was gonna say, napalm the National Park Service 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.520 or National Parkland with glaphy sate and that's essentially what's happening. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.080 So check out that story. There's a video that goes 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.919 along with it. Also a little note in the story, 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:43.959 Gavin Newsom made it easier to do this. Glafa sa 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.480 Galvin Sagas called greasy Gavin, but I think glyph of 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.359 sake Gavin maybe has a better punch to it. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:51.399