WEBVTT - #588 Packers Unscripted: Draft on deck 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:10.800 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.200 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.079 trusted colleague West and Hot Kowitz. We're coming to you 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.080 here from our studios at lambeau Field and West As 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.160 we are taping this episode, the two thousand twenty one 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.560 NFL Draft is just to count them two days away. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.760 Are you ready for this? Oh? Yeah, I've been ready 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.440 for it for two months. Uh No, I mean it's 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.600 gonna be fun. I'm personally very excited about this, Mike. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.720 I mean, last year was probably the most anxiety written 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.479 uh time I've ever had covering a draft. This will 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.600 be draft number twelve for me, believe it or not, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.839 twelve straight drafts that I've covered. But last year you 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.360 were doing it out of your house. I was doing 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.600 it up in my bonus room, hoping that the WiFi 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.120 was going to stay connected as I was interviewing Jordan's love. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.959 Uh and it's it is a blessing to be bad 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.240 Back at lambeau Field. It still won't be quite the same. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.280 We're not going to be in the auditorium. Everything will 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.960 still be over zoom and done virtually, but all things considered, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.679 I'm very happy with where we are today as opposed 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.800 to last April. Yeah, and you and I will actually 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.880 be able to maybe talk to each other during the 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.800 draft instead of sending slack messages to one another for 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.319 three days. How we're how we're supposed to, uh, how 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.280 we're supposed to cover this and take care of all 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.120 of the coverage on the website. But I want to 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.040 spend today previewing the draft a little bit. We'll throw 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.880 some questions back and forth, just banter a little bit 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.440 about some of the things that that we hear and 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.319 talk about a lot at this particular time. Quickly though, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.040 a shout out to our sponsor, Sirius x M. NFL 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.440 Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:50.000 NFL news that true football fonetics need. Seven three all right, West. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.920 The Packers enter the two thousand twenty one draft with 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:57.120 ten selections, one in each of the seven rounds, plus 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.440 an extra in the fourth, fifth, and sixth. In those 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.200 three rounds the Packers will actually be taking if they 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.720 stay put, we'll be taking two picks about five to 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.160 seven picks apart in each each of those three rounds 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.680 in that range. So my first question today, going in 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.160 with ten picks, do the Packers come out of this 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.560 draft with ten picks or more than that or less 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.440 than that. Well, first off, they're going to trade one 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.560 of the fourth rounders. That's just a that's a given. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.960 That's just the way, that's the automatic. Take that one 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.280 to the That's gonna happen at some point. I've said 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.240 for a long time, I think they will take a 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.560 lot of players in this draft. I could see them 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.760 moving up on Day one or Day two. That has 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.840 been what they've done specifically in the first round in 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:42.960 basically each of the last three years, they made some 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.680 kind of move. But I still think they're gonna end 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.960 up taking nine or ten players. So to answer your question, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.280 either it'll be a push or it'll be just under that. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.799 I just feel like, you know, they weren't able to 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.880 do a lot with free agency this year. They they 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.440 brought back some of their own guys. They took care 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.960 of Aaron Jones, which was a must, as Brian dudicins 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.160 that in his pre draft presser on Monday. They got 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.959 in their feeling the number one running back on the market, 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.560 left tackle on the market, and defensive tackle on the market. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.720 When you look at the extensions they did in season 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.240 with David box R and Kenny Clark, and then obviously 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.080 resigning Aaron Jones, that doesn't leave a lot for you 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.440 to do in free agency. But yet they still were 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.480 able to get Kevin King back, they got uh, you know, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.000 mar cities Lewis. But the question here is, I think 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.440 you have to create depth, and they have ten picks 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:27.840 to do it, and they have to be able to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.760 get some guys on the shelves here that that's been 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.600 my contention. I don't know where players are going to go, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.760 but I feel like offensive line, receiver, cornerback. You need 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.840 to find more bodies at these positions, and making those 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.520 picks will be a good way to do it. Yeah, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.120 I I'm inclined to say that the Packers are going 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.080 to come out of this draft with ten picks, But 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.640 I say that because not because I think Brian Goudacus 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.000 is gonna sit and pick at all ten spots, which 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.280 actually I don't remember what the number was. There was 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.800 one year that Ted Thompson actually sat and picked at 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.240 every spot. He didn't a single trade. I can that 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.920 that might have been. That might have been what it was. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.120 I can't remember for sure back around there was one year, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.400 but I think Goodakoots is going to make multiple trades here. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.600 There's going to be a trade up at some point. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.560 There's going to be a trade down at some point. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.760 I think eventually, as far as the number of picks, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.680 the trades are going to cancel each other out and 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.359 the Packers are are going to come out of this 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.320 draft with ten picks. I think. I don't. I don't 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:30.120 see Brian Goodakoots making some huge sacrifices and then only 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.400 coming out of this draft with seven or eight picks. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.880 For the exact reason that you said, the Packers don't 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.240 have any glaring holes, as Goodakoon said on Monday, there 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 are any glaring holes in the starting lineup where if 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.040 the Packers had to play a game this weekend, they 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.960 wouldn't be able to play because they don't have somebody 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.200 that the roster is built with all the players they 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.839 brought back the rosters, the roster is built to go 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.640 ahead and play a game tomorrow. Right, But you look 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.160 at where things sit as far as the future with 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.040 regard to the defensive line, the cornerback position, offensive tackle, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.640 uh wide receiver, you know, all all of those things. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.599 I do think there there is the need to build 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.239 depth at certain spots and to plan for the future 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.320 at multiple spots here because of because of some veteran 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.920 guys who's whose contract situations will be in the mix 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.520 here in the next you know, twelve and twenty four 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.800 months was the drafteen. They had the comp picks where 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.320 they ended up getting Richard Rodgers and Jared iber Darris, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.159 and then they also had their normal seven picks that 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.279 they ended up selecting, which actually, you go back and 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.800 look at that was a pretty darn good draft. Was 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.960 darn good draft and all pro in in Clinton Dicks 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.239 that failed the need for many years, you know, arguably 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.360 the best receiver in the game right now Davante Adams, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.159 and then legitimately the number one center in the game 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.240 in Corey Lindsley last season. Yeah, Richard Rogers Mr Hail 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.200 mary Um picked in the third round of that draft. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.800 That I just remember that being so unusual that after 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.240 all those three days, it was like Ted Thompson didn't 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.120 make a trade. I think they even joked about that 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.640 in the press afterward, because that was after two thousand 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.480 thirteen where they had all these you know, that was 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.240 the year they had like twelve picks or whatever. I mean, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.800 they they'd really been accruing quite a bit and then 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:08.800 they just sort of stepped pad. But that's the fun 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.919 part of this process, right, I mean Brian Goodicin has 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.200 talked about, I mean, this draft, you never know how 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.000 the dominoes are gonna fall. You're never gonna know what 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.480 kind of trades present themselves and the opportunities are there, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.279 and as you wrote in our five Things story on Monday, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.080 you know you have to be just true to yourself, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.599 not overspend, be mindful, use your process, and and trusted. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.480 And that's what the Packers plan to do with this opportunity. Yeah. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.560 Well that brings me to my next question here in 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.440 the first round, the Packers currently own the number twenty 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:42.120 nine overall pick, so we all know that it's going 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.640 to depend on how the board falls, right, but we'll 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.960 throw the question out anyway. Do you predict Goodakoons will 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.280 sit and pick at twenty nine? Will he trade up 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.600 from twenty nine? Will he trade back from twenty nine? 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.480 I think I do. I don't know how many spots. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.800 Maybe it's like last year was only what four spots for, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.360 but they moved up to get Jordan's love. But the 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.320 reason I say that is because I think there's gonna 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.960 be some really talented players that fall into the early 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.520 twenties but maybe aren't necessarily there at twenty nine, and 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.040 players that are basically singular at their position. Right like, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.600 unless there's a tackle that you and I don't know 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.080 about that's climbing the Scouts draft boards, it basically looks 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.600 like Tevin Jenkins is the guy in the twenties if 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.200 you want to tackle um. Now, there are some medical 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.400 things that have come up. You know Caleb Farley, you've 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.320 seen his information. Now you know a couple of questions 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.520 about some lingering nerve issues, and that could he be 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.560 there now in the later first rounds after I think 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.800 a lot of people months ago projected him to possibly 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.400 be the first cornerback off the board. Those are the 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.119 questions that have to solve themselves. But I think once 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.480 you get to number twenty, there's gonna be some really 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.080 intriguing players there. And I just wonder what the equity 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.400 that the Packers have with having those two fourth round 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.560 picks is that give you an opportunity to maybe go 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.680 up and find somebody Yeah. I thought it was interesting 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.240 how Gudakins talked about that on Monday, that when you're 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.880 sitting there at twenty nine and you've spent months a 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.960 personnel guy, you spent an entire year studying all of 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.160 these players. You know, you're you're ranking them, you're evaluating them, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.240 you're projecting all of these top players into you know, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.360 how would they how would they fit your team, and 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.320 what could they do for your team and help you out? 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.600 And then you have to sit there on Thursday night 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.520 at twenty nine and watch all these guys fly off 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.680 the board. You know that it becomes very very tempting 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.040 to trade up, and it because you want to get 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.200 one of those guys that you've been thinking about. You 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.360 know that that you've projected into your team, and you 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.679 want to make sure you get that guy. But there 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.680 are two things. The way I took Goodakoons comments, he 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.280 didn't lay it out necessarily as like you know A 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.000 and B. But there are two things that you you 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.040 have to do in this process. One, you have you 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.400 have to weigh the cost, what is the cost of 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.800 trading up? And then too, how special is the player? 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.480 Is it just a player you really like or is 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.040 it a player that you really think is special and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.840 is and is a difference maker. Those are the kinds 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.640 of things that you know where it takes the discipline 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.680 to sit back and go, Okay, this isn't just a 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.320 guy that I've fallen in love with. This is this 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.800 is a guy who's a special player, and the cost 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.000 isn't too much to move up and get him. That 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.920 being said, I wouldn't be surprised to go back to 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.079 my original question, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.319 packers trade up. But the other scenario that I could 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:25.880 see developing here is a trade back from twenty nine 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 to somewhere in like the mid thirties, where you pick 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.640 up an extra selection, but then you use that extra selection, 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.160 you know, third or fourth round, whatever it might be, 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.400 to then move up from the bottom of the second 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.959 round towards the middle of the second round, so instead 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.400 of picking at twenty nine and sixty two, you end 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.120 up taking two guys in the thirty five to fifty range. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.920 That's something that I could definitely see evolving here, depending 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.960 when you get into the mid twenties and you know, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.480 how strong does that board look, and if that board 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.520 looks strong enough that Goodakoons feels he you get two 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.880 really good players somewhere between the mid thirties to the 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.480 mid to late forties, then maybe that's the strategy he 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.920 you know, employs as far as his his first two picks. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.240 So um. But again, something that's very hard to predict 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.160 in advance because you don't know who those first twenty guys, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.560 those first twenty five guys are going to be that 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.080 come off the board. And it's something that you know, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.080 the scouts, the personnel executives with G. M. Gouda Kunts, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.040 they play, They mock a lot of scenarios. They go 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.720 through a lot of scenarios, what are we gonna do 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.760 if this happens? What are we gonna do if this happens? 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.440 So that they can react in the moment. They've played 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.480 out the scenario in their mind and they've already explored 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.400 some potential trade partners to move either up or down. Yeah, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.440 and you obviously had to read this this week editing inbox. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.360 But I used to be a pretty staunch believer in 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:51.920 that moving back, you know, finding picks, finding opportunities, because 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.680 sometimes those players become Jordy Nelson or although it wasn't 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.080 entirely how that played out, But Casey Hayward, you know 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.400 guys that you find in the second round that maybe 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.200 people slept down a little bit that end up being 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.240 Pro Bowl, all Pro type players. I have shifted though, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.680 and I wrote about this an Insider inbox this week. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.880 The fifth year option has really changed me in my 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.920 the way I see it because it is really a 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.640 valuable tool. Now the number of years their packers went 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.880 without really using the fifth year option, if memory serves correct, 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.400 I want to say, well, hahak Clinton Dix would have 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.160 been the first one that received it, I believe in 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.160 two thousand and fourteen. Certainly they did it again with 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.080 Kenny Clark and and now, as Brian Goodkin said, in 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.200 just a matter of time, it will be before Jaire 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.000 Alexander gets that that's a valuable tool because it allows 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.760 you that extra year. You talked about the fifth year, fine, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.760 but it gives you a bigger window to negotiate a 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.000 contract with a guy, not just to work all the 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.320 details of it, but it gives you something to build 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.920 off of in terms of an extension, using that year 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.800 to pro rate funds. And for me, that's a very 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.120 enticing option. Now, at the beginning of this process, it 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.319 was a lot of quarterbacks that teams did that. With 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.440 Lamar Jackson. You think about Teddy Bridgeddy Bridgewater being another one, yeah, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.319 and and that they looked at it as a quarterback thing. 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.960 It really helps you. But now as you're seeing guys 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.280 like gire Alexander breakout and Kenny Clark breakout, I just 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.800 think it's such a valuable asset to be able to use. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.160 So for my money, even though if you look at 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.000 the draft value chart, it will tell you that moving 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.880 back tense spots isn't really that big of a deal. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.280 I do wonder how much in the long run that 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.400 that really affects things. Yeah. The one thing I will 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.280 say though, is that we're starting to see a shift 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.839 with the fifth year option where it's not quite as 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.360 team friendly as it used to be. The those fifth 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.360 year salaries are getting to be a lot more player 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.360 friendly for guys who play a lot, earned Pro Bowl honors, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.199 those kinds of things, they're getting salaries that are much 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.600 closer to like a franchise tag type of salary, which 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.199 in the earlier days of the fifth year option, those 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.800 those uh, those fifth year salaries weren't quite that high, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.920 so we are seeing a little bit of shift there. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.080 But I do want to ask you also with regard 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.079 to the first pick. Okay, we talked about this a 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.000 little bit on our last show, that a whole planet 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.600 theory about big guy. There's only so many, you know, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.679 that that the Lord puts on the planet. So with 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.440 the first pick, whether it's at twenty nine or wherever it, maybe, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.480 do you see the Packers getting a big guy offensive 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.560 or defensive line, or do you think they end up 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.640 selecting a different position. I'm still going with offensive line. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.040 That's gonna be my pick until the pick is made, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.680 and then after it gets made, I'll go, why didn't 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.560 I really think of that? You know? Um, here's the 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.640 thing you mentioned this, and it's a good it's a 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.960 salient point, offensive defensive line, getting a big guy. There's 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.760 a lot of value there. Um, certainly there is a risk. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.520 Every picks a risk, you know, and nobody's given, you know, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.840 a sure thing in the first round. I've even made 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.600 that remark and inbox this week, Aaron Donald maybe the 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.480 best defensive tackle who's ever played the game. He wasn't 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.719 a lock, you know, back in two thousand thirteen or 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.120 wherever he was drafted, he won. He won every college 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.040 every major college defensive award, his senior year at Pit, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.000 his final season at Pit, and then he still lasted 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.600 till the thirteenth pick of that draft because his his tangents, 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.360 intangibles didn't didn't really match up for people. But if 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.080 you just had him take a shirt off and stand 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.880 or you'd be like, holy gosh, I mean, this is 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.360 an Adonis, you know what I mean. But people get 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.000 so hung up on the measurables. And that's why Brian 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.920 Goodkin said, you need to kind of have that Mendoza line. Sure, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.280 but then you've got to adjust it if there's a player. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.600 So I still am leaning towards offensive line, but you 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.520 start to think about it, Mike cornerback, if there's one 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.800 that's enticing there that you want to take a shot at. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.200 And honestly, I'm going against everything I've said, but you 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.600 think about receivers too, and if there is a guy 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.600 that makes sense for him that late, whether it is 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.600 Bateman out of Minnesota or whether maybe they cover their 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.560 eyes a little bit and go with the Elijah more. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.240 There are guys at all these positions that I think 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.880 could be real game changers for them. It hasn't always 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.960 been like this. There's been many years with the Packers 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.480 have picked twenty eight beyond where I've kind of been like, well, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.520 who's going to fall to him? Last year was sort 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.920 of one of those years too. This year, I really 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.040 think there's a number of guys that that meet that 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.200 need and also the long term investment that the Packers 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.680 look for. Yeah, I I've decided if I answered your 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.120 question no, that that's okay, because I'm not sure I'm 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.320 going to answer it either. I you know, these last 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.880 these last couple of years, I've kind of decided that 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.320 just nothing is going to surprise me in the first 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.080 round with Brian Gudukunst anymore, because I I do I think. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.760 I do think if there is if there is a 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.840 top notch offensive tackle or interior defensive lineman who's there 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.080 at twenty nine or maybe is there at twenty six 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.280 or twenty five, and and you know, he makes the 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.880 move to go up, I still think the most likely 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.440 pick is a big guy. But certainly a cornerback would 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.800 not surprise me. And even even though as we talked 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.280 about before the Packers haven't used a first round pick 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.120 on a receiver since two thousand two. They haven't used 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.840 a first round pick on an inside linebacker since two 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.120 thousand and six. Those wouldn't necessarily surprise me either. I mean, 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.560 you know this. You know Jamon Davis from Kentucky inside linebacker. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.440 I know a lot of people asking about Jeremiah Osukamo 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.640 from Notre Gun but um, but you know, a lot 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.920 of stuff that I'm seeing says no way that that 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.360 Coamoa is there at twenty nine, that he's he's going 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.160 to He's going to go off the board much earlier 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.440 than that. But you mentioned the wide receivers you have. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.000 You have Bateman, you have Terris Marshall from l s U, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.560 you have Elijah More, Ron Dale Moore, Ca, Darius Tony. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.200 The smaller slot, you know, shift to your guys. Honestly, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.320 I just I don't know if I'd be surprised by 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.400 I don't know if I'd be surprised by anything. At 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.120 this point, we don't know what the board looks like. Brian, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.640 We're sitting here talking about big guys, right offensive defensive lineman. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.480 Maybe Brian Goudkuns feels like, you know, he's got his 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.280 eye on the next you know, Mike Daniels in the 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.720 fourth round that he knows he can go get this 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.680 defensive lineman there, you know he can get. He can 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.600 get you know, the next Chad Clifton in the second 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.800 round on the offensive line, you know, a long time 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.200 left tackle for the Packers who was drafted I believe 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.000 forty four overall in the middle of the second round. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.560 So um. But that leads to, uh to my next 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.520 couple of questions. No wide receivers or defensive lineman for 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.840 the Packers in the draft last year, which which were surprises, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.840 I think to a lot of people, including us, where 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.919 do you think, Because I don't think they're going to 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.080 go through this draft and not take another wide receiver again, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.439 or not take another defensive lineman again. But where do 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.840 you think maybe those picks fall for the Packers. So 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.080 let me say this, if the Packers do go with 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.679 my original plan, which would be an offensive tackle in 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.280 the first round, or if if Jenkins is there, then 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:36.879 I think it makes a lot of sense to go 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.960 receiver in the second round because you're gonna somebody's gonna 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 fall there, and and maybe if you move around or 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.119 you move up a little bit, maybe you can get 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.760 one of those top flight guys that were seeing as 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.720 potential first rounders that slide a little bit. If you 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.040 go that direction, though, then it leads to the ultimate question. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.280 Either if you get to the third round and you 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.639 don't have a cornerback or defensive lineman, you're starting to 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.760 fall into the same thing that happened last year, where 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.439 now you have two perceived positions of need that have 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.240 yet to be addressed. I just feel like I don't 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.280 know how all the dominoes fall. I feel like those 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.920 four positions somewhere in those first five or six picks, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.120 the Packers have to address address those. I just feel 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.400 like that's not necessarily saying that they need a guy 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.520 to come in and start right away. But again, as 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.640 I've repeated over and over again, if the Packers would 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.919 not take a receiver in the strap, that would be 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.879 the first time in franchise history that they haven't taken 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.280 a wide receiver since that designation became a thing in 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.280 in three consecutive drafts. It hasn't happened in defensive line. Mike, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.200 you just talked about I believe it was twenty six 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.640 years they went with at least one defensive linemen, um 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.240 that is going to be playing, you know, in that 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.679 defensive trench. Obviously Jonathan Garvin was an end that then 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.960 went to outside linebacker. So for that reason, I just 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.879 feel like receiver makes a lot of sense potentially in 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.120 the second round, especially when you factor in the rich 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.639 history that Green Bay has there. Yeah, it's interesting. I 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.560 mean a lot of people, obviously offensively for the Packers, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.639 they're asking, Okay, where are they going to get the 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.920 next offensive tackle if you're gonna find the next Brian Bulaga, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.359