Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my
Speaker 1: trusted colleague West and Hot Kowitz. We're coming to you
Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field and West As
Speaker 1: we are taping this episode, the two thousand twenty one
Speaker 1: NFL Draft is just to count them two days away.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Oh? Yeah, I've been ready
Speaker 1: for it for two months. Uh No, I mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. I'm personally very excited about this, Mike.
Speaker 1: I mean, last year was probably the most anxiety written
Speaker 1: uh time I've ever had covering a draft. This will
Speaker 1: be draft number twelve for me, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: twelve straight drafts that I've covered. But last year you
Speaker 1: were doing it out of your house. I was doing
Speaker 1: it up in my bonus room, hoping that the WiFi
Speaker 1: was going to stay connected as I was interviewing Jordan's love.
Speaker 1: Uh and it's it is a blessing to be bad
Speaker 1: Back at lambeau Field. It still won't be quite the same.
Speaker 1: We're not going to be in the auditorium. Everything will
Speaker 1: still be over zoom and done virtually, but all things considered,
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with where we are today as opposed
Speaker 1: to last April. Yeah, and you and I will actually
Speaker 1: be able to maybe talk to each other during the
Speaker 1: draft instead of sending slack messages to one another for
Speaker 1: three days. How we're how we're supposed to, uh, how
Speaker 1: we're supposed to cover this and take care of all
Speaker 1: of the coverage on the website. But I want to
Speaker 1: spend today previewing the draft a little bit. We'll throw
Speaker 1: some questions back and forth, just banter a little bit
Speaker 1: about some of the things that that we hear and
Speaker 1: talk about a lot at this particular time. Quickly though,
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Speaker 1: The Packers enter the two thousand twenty one draft with
Speaker 1: ten selections, one in each of the seven rounds, plus
Speaker 1: an extra in the fourth, fifth, and sixth. In those
Speaker 1: three rounds the Packers will actually be taking if they
Speaker 1: stay put, we'll be taking two picks about five to
Speaker 1: seven picks apart in each each of those three rounds
Speaker 1: in that range. So my first question today, going in
Speaker 1: with ten picks, do the Packers come out of this
Speaker 1: draft with ten picks or more than that or less
Speaker 1: than that. Well, first off, they're going to trade one
Speaker 1: of the fourth rounders. That's just a that's a given.
Speaker 1: That's just the way, that's the automatic. Take that one
Speaker 1: to the That's gonna happen at some point. I've said
Speaker 1: for a long time, I think they will take a
Speaker 1: lot of players in this draft. I could see them
Speaker 1: moving up on Day one or Day two. That has
Speaker 1: been what they've done specifically in the first round in
Speaker 1: basically each of the last three years, they made some
Speaker 1: kind of move. But I still think they're gonna end
Speaker 1: up taking nine or ten players. So to answer your question,
Speaker 1: either it'll be a push or it'll be just under that.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, they weren't able to
Speaker 1: do a lot with free agency this year. They they
Speaker 1: brought back some of their own guys. They took care
Speaker 1: of Aaron Jones, which was a must, as Brian dudicins
Speaker 1: that in his pre draft presser on Monday. They got
Speaker 1: in their feeling the number one running back on the market,
Speaker 1: left tackle on the market, and defensive tackle on the market.
Speaker 1: When you look at the extensions they did in season
Speaker 1: with David box R and Kenny Clark, and then obviously
Speaker 1: resigning Aaron Jones, that doesn't leave a lot for you
Speaker 1: to do in free agency. But yet they still were
Speaker 1: able to get Kevin King back, they got uh, you know,
Speaker 1: mar cities Lewis. But the question here is, I think
Speaker 1: you have to create depth, and they have ten picks
Speaker 1: to do it, and they have to be able to
Speaker 1: get some guys on the shelves here that that's been
Speaker 1: my contention. I don't know where players are going to go,
Speaker 1: but I feel like offensive line, receiver, cornerback. You need
Speaker 1: to find more bodies at these positions, and making those
Speaker 1: picks will be a good way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I'm inclined to say that the Packers are going
Speaker 1: to come out of this draft with ten picks, But
Speaker 1: I say that because not because I think Brian Goudacus
Speaker 1: is gonna sit and pick at all ten spots, which
Speaker 1: actually I don't remember what the number was. There was
Speaker 1: one year that Ted Thompson actually sat and picked at
Speaker 1: every spot. He didn't a single trade. I can that
Speaker 1: that might have been. That might have been what it was.
Speaker 1: I can't remember for sure back around there was one year,
Speaker 1: but I think Goodakoots is going to make multiple trades here.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a trade up at some point.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a trade down at some point.
Speaker 1: I think eventually, as far as the number of picks,
Speaker 1: the trades are going to cancel each other out and
Speaker 1: the Packers are are going to come out of this
Speaker 1: draft with ten picks. I think. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see Brian Goodakoots making some huge sacrifices and then only
Speaker 1: coming out of this draft with seven or eight picks.
Speaker 1: For the exact reason that you said, the Packers don't
Speaker 1: have any glaring holes, as Goodakoon said on Monday, there
Speaker 1: are any glaring holes in the starting lineup where if
Speaker 1: the Packers had to play a game this weekend, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to play because they don't have somebody
Speaker 1: that the roster is built with all the players they
Speaker 1: brought back the rosters, the roster is built to go
Speaker 1: ahead and play a game tomorrow. Right, But you look
Speaker 1: at where things sit as far as the future with
Speaker 1: regard to the defensive line, the cornerback position, offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: uh wide receiver, you know, all all of those things.
Speaker 1: I do think there there is the need to build
Speaker 1: depth at certain spots and to plan for the future
Speaker 1: at multiple spots here because of because of some veteran
Speaker 1: guys who's whose contract situations will be in the mix
Speaker 1: here in the next you know, twelve and twenty four
Speaker 1: months was the drafteen. They had the comp picks where
Speaker 1: they ended up getting Richard Rodgers and Jared iber Darris,
Speaker 1: and then they also had their normal seven picks that
Speaker 1: they ended up selecting, which actually, you go back and
Speaker 1: look at that was a pretty darn good draft. Was
Speaker 1: darn good draft and all pro in in Clinton Dicks
Speaker 1: that failed the need for many years, you know, arguably
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game right now Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: and then legitimately the number one center in the game
Speaker 1: in Corey Lindsley last season. Yeah, Richard Rogers Mr Hail
Speaker 1: mary Um picked in the third round of that draft.
Speaker 1: That I just remember that being so unusual that after
Speaker 1: all those three days, it was like Ted Thompson didn't
Speaker 1: make a trade. I think they even joked about that
Speaker 1: in the press afterward, because that was after two thousand
Speaker 1: thirteen where they had all these you know, that was
Speaker 1: the year they had like twelve picks or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: they they'd really been accruing quite a bit and then
Speaker 1: they just sort of stepped pad. But that's the fun
Speaker 1: part of this process, right, I mean Brian Goodicin has
Speaker 1: talked about, I mean, this draft, you never know how
Speaker 1: the dominoes are gonna fall. You're never gonna know what
Speaker 1: kind of trades present themselves and the opportunities are there,
Speaker 1: and as you wrote in our five Things story on Monday,
Speaker 1: you know you have to be just true to yourself,
Speaker 1: not overspend, be mindful, use your process, and and trusted.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Packers plan to do with this opportunity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that brings me to my next question here in
Speaker 1: the first round, the Packers currently own the number twenty
Speaker 1: nine overall pick, so we all know that it's going
Speaker 1: to depend on how the board falls, right, but we'll
Speaker 1: throw the question out anyway. Do you predict Goodakoons will
Speaker 1: sit and pick at twenty nine? Will he trade up
Speaker 1: from twenty nine? Will he trade back from twenty nine?
Speaker 1: I think I do. I don't know how many spots.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like last year was only what four spots for,
Speaker 1: but they moved up to get Jordan's love. But the
Speaker 1: reason I say that is because I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some really talented players that fall into the early
Speaker 1: twenties but maybe aren't necessarily there at twenty nine, and
Speaker 1: players that are basically singular at their position. Right like,
Speaker 1: unless there's a tackle that you and I don't know
Speaker 1: about that's climbing the Scouts draft boards, it basically looks
Speaker 1: like Tevin Jenkins is the guy in the twenties if
Speaker 1: you want to tackle um. Now, there are some medical
Speaker 1: things that have come up. You know Caleb Farley, you've
Speaker 1: seen his information. Now you know a couple of questions
Speaker 1: about some lingering nerve issues, and that could he be
Speaker 1: there now in the later first rounds after I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people months ago projected him to possibly
Speaker 1: be the first cornerback off the board. Those are the
Speaker 1: questions that have to solve themselves. But I think once
Speaker 1: you get to number twenty, there's gonna be some really
Speaker 1: intriguing players there. And I just wonder what the equity
Speaker 1: that the Packers have with having those two fourth round
Speaker 1: picks is that give you an opportunity to maybe go
Speaker 1: up and find somebody Yeah. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: how Gudakins talked about that on Monday, that when you're
Speaker 1: sitting there at twenty nine and you've spent months a
Speaker 1: personnel guy, you spent an entire year studying all of
Speaker 1: these players. You know, you're you're ranking them, you're evaluating them,
Speaker 1: you're projecting all of these top players into you know,
Speaker 1: how would they how would they fit your team, and
Speaker 1: what could they do for your team and help you out?
Speaker 1: And then you have to sit there on Thursday night
Speaker 1: at twenty nine and watch all these guys fly off
Speaker 1: the board. You know that it becomes very very tempting
Speaker 1: to trade up, and it because you want to get
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you've been thinking about. You
Speaker 1: know that that you've projected into your team, and you
Speaker 1: want to make sure you get that guy. But there
Speaker 1: are two things. The way I took Goodakoons comments, he
Speaker 1: didn't lay it out necessarily as like you know A
Speaker 1: and B. But there are two things that you you
Speaker 1: have to do in this process. One, you have you
Speaker 1: have to weigh the cost, what is the cost of
Speaker 1: trading up? And then too, how special is the player?
Speaker 1: Is it just a player you really like or is
Speaker 1: it a player that you really think is special and
Speaker 1: is and is a difference maker. Those are the kinds
Speaker 1: of things that you know where it takes the discipline
Speaker 1: to sit back and go, Okay, this isn't just a
Speaker 1: guy that I've fallen in love with. This is this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's a special player, and the cost
Speaker 1: isn't too much to move up and get him. That
Speaker 1: being said, I wouldn't be surprised to go back to
Speaker 1: my original question, I wouldn't be surprised to see the
Speaker 1: packers trade up. But the other scenario that I could
Speaker 1: see developing here is a trade back from twenty nine
Speaker 1: to somewhere in like the mid thirties, where you pick
Speaker 1: up an extra selection, but then you use that extra selection,
Speaker 1: you know, third or fourth round, whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: to then move up from the bottom of the second
Speaker 1: round towards the middle of the second round, so instead
Speaker 1: of picking at twenty nine and sixty two, you end
Speaker 1: up taking two guys in the thirty five to fifty range.
Speaker 1: That's something that I could definitely see evolving here, depending
Speaker 1: when you get into the mid twenties and you know,
Speaker 1: how strong does that board look, and if that board
Speaker 1: looks strong enough that Goodakoons feels he you get two
Speaker 1: really good players somewhere between the mid thirties to the
Speaker 1: mid to late forties, then maybe that's the strategy he
Speaker 1: you know, employs as far as his his first two picks.
Speaker 1: So um. But again, something that's very hard to predict
Speaker 1: in advance because you don't know who those first twenty guys,
Speaker 1: those first twenty five guys are going to be that
Speaker 1: come off the board. And it's something that you know,
Speaker 1: the scouts, the personnel executives with G. M. Gouda Kunts,
Speaker 1: they play, They mock a lot of scenarios. They go
Speaker 1: through a lot of scenarios, what are we gonna do
Speaker 1: if this happens? What are we gonna do if this happens?
Speaker 1: So that they can react in the moment. They've played
Speaker 1: out the scenario in their mind and they've already explored
Speaker 1: some potential trade partners to move either up or down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you obviously had to read this this week editing inbox.
Speaker 1: But I used to be a pretty staunch believer in
Speaker 1: that moving back, you know, finding picks, finding opportunities, because
Speaker 1: sometimes those players become Jordy Nelson or although it wasn't
Speaker 1: entirely how that played out, But Casey Hayward, you know
Speaker 1: guys that you find in the second round that maybe
Speaker 1: people slept down a little bit that end up being
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, all Pro type players. I have shifted though,
Speaker 1: and I wrote about this an Insider inbox this week.
Speaker 1: The fifth year option has really changed me in my
Speaker 1: the way I see it because it is really a
Speaker 1: valuable tool. Now the number of years their packers went
Speaker 1: without really using the fifth year option, if memory serves correct,
Speaker 1: I want to say, well, hahak Clinton Dix would have
Speaker 1: been the first one that received it, I believe in
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen. Certainly they did it again with
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark and and now, as Brian Goodkin said, in
Speaker 1: just a matter of time, it will be before Jaire
Speaker 1: Alexander gets that that's a valuable tool because it allows
Speaker 1: you that extra year. You talked about the fifth year, fine,
Speaker 1: but it gives you a bigger window to negotiate a
Speaker 1: contract with a guy, not just to work all the
Speaker 1: details of it, but it gives you something to build
Speaker 1: off of in terms of an extension, using that year
Speaker 1: to pro rate funds. And for me, that's a very
Speaker 1: enticing option. Now, at the beginning of this process, it
Speaker 1: was a lot of quarterbacks that teams did that. With
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. You think about Teddy Bridgeddy Bridgewater being another one, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and that they looked at it as a quarterback thing.
Speaker 1: It really helps you. But now as you're seeing guys
Speaker 1: like gire Alexander breakout and Kenny Clark breakout, I just
Speaker 1: think it's such a valuable asset to be able to use.
Speaker 1: So for my money, even though if you look at
Speaker 1: the draft value chart, it will tell you that moving
Speaker 1: back tense spots isn't really that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I do wonder how much in the long run that
Speaker 1: that really affects things. Yeah. The one thing I will
Speaker 1: say though, is that we're starting to see a shift
Speaker 1: with the fifth year option where it's not quite as
Speaker 1: team friendly as it used to be. The those fifth
Speaker 1: year salaries are getting to be a lot more player
Speaker 1: friendly for guys who play a lot, earned Pro Bowl honors,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things, they're getting salaries that are much
Speaker 1: closer to like a franchise tag type of salary, which
Speaker 1: in the earlier days of the fifth year option, those
Speaker 1: those uh, those fifth year salaries weren't quite that high,
Speaker 1: so we are seeing a little bit of shift there.
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you also with regard
Speaker 1: to the first pick. Okay, we talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit on our last show, that a whole planet
Speaker 1: theory about big guy. There's only so many, you know,
Speaker 1: that that the Lord puts on the planet. So with
Speaker 1: the first pick, whether it's at twenty nine or wherever it, maybe,
Speaker 1: do you see the Packers getting a big guy offensive
Speaker 1: or defensive line, or do you think they end up
Speaker 1: selecting a different position. I'm still going with offensive line.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be my pick until the pick is made,
Speaker 1: and then after it gets made, I'll go, why didn't
Speaker 1: I really think of that? You know? Um, here's the
Speaker 1: thing you mentioned this, and it's a good it's a
Speaker 1: salient point, offensive defensive line, getting a big guy. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of value there. Um, certainly there is a risk.
Speaker 1: Every picks a risk, you know, and nobody's given, you know,
Speaker 1: a sure thing in the first round. I've even made
Speaker 1: that remark and inbox this week, Aaron Donald maybe the
Speaker 1: best defensive tackle who's ever played the game. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a lock, you know, back in two thousand thirteen or
Speaker 1: wherever he was drafted, he won. He won every college
Speaker 1: every major college defensive award, his senior year at Pit,
Speaker 1: his final season at Pit, and then he still lasted
Speaker 1: till the thirteenth pick of that draft because his his tangents,
Speaker 1: intangibles didn't didn't really match up for people. But if
Speaker 1: you just had him take a shirt off and stand
Speaker 1: or you'd be like, holy gosh, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: an Adonis, you know what I mean. But people get
Speaker 1: so hung up on the measurables. And that's why Brian
Speaker 1: Goodkin said, you need to kind of have that Mendoza line. Sure,
Speaker 1: but then you've got to adjust it if there's a player.
Speaker 1: So I still am leaning towards offensive line, but you
Speaker 1: start to think about it, Mike cornerback, if there's one
Speaker 1: that's enticing there that you want to take a shot at.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm going against everything I've said, but you
Speaker 1: think about receivers too, and if there is a guy
Speaker 1: that makes sense for him that late, whether it is
Speaker 1: Bateman out of Minnesota or whether maybe they cover their
Speaker 1: eyes a little bit and go with the Elijah more.
Speaker 1: There are guys at all these positions that I think
Speaker 1: could be real game changers for them. It hasn't always
Speaker 1: been like this. There's been many years with the Packers
Speaker 1: have picked twenty eight beyond where I've kind of been like, well,
Speaker 1: who's going to fall to him? Last year was sort
Speaker 1: of one of those years too. This year, I really
Speaker 1: think there's a number of guys that that meet that
Speaker 1: need and also the long term investment that the Packers
Speaker 1: look for. Yeah, I I've decided if I answered your
Speaker 1: question no, that that's okay, because I'm not sure I'm
Speaker 1: going to answer it either. I you know, these last
Speaker 1: these last couple of years, I've kind of decided that
Speaker 1: just nothing is going to surprise me in the first
Speaker 1: round with Brian Gudukunst anymore, because I I do I think.
Speaker 1: I do think if there is if there is a
Speaker 1: top notch offensive tackle or interior defensive lineman who's there
Speaker 1: at twenty nine or maybe is there at twenty six
Speaker 1: or twenty five, and and you know, he makes the
Speaker 1: move to go up, I still think the most likely
Speaker 1: pick is a big guy. But certainly a cornerback would
Speaker 1: not surprise me. And even even though as we talked
Speaker 1: about before the Packers haven't used a first round pick
Speaker 1: on a receiver since two thousand two. They haven't used
Speaker 1: a first round pick on an inside linebacker since two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. Those wouldn't necessarily surprise me either. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know this. You know Jamon Davis from Kentucky inside linebacker.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people asking about Jeremiah Osukamo
Speaker 1: from Notre Gun but um, but you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that I'm seeing says no way that that
Speaker 1: Coamoa is there at twenty nine, that he's he's going
Speaker 1: to He's going to go off the board much earlier
Speaker 1: than that. But you mentioned the wide receivers you have.
Speaker 1: You have Bateman, you have Terris Marshall from l s U,
Speaker 1: you have Elijah More, Ron Dale Moore, Ca, Darius Tony.
Speaker 1: The smaller slot, you know, shift to your guys. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I'd be surprised by
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be surprised by anything. At
Speaker 1: this point, we don't know what the board looks like. Brian,
Speaker 1: We're sitting here talking about big guys, right offensive defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Maybe Brian Goudkuns feels like, you know, he's got his
Speaker 1: eye on the next you know, Mike Daniels in the
Speaker 1: fourth round that he knows he can go get this
Speaker 1: defensive lineman there, you know he can get. He can
Speaker 1: get you know, the next Chad Clifton in the second
Speaker 1: round on the offensive line, you know, a long time
Speaker 1: left tackle for the Packers who was drafted I believe
Speaker 1: forty four overall in the middle of the second round.
Speaker 1: So um. But that leads to, uh to my next
Speaker 1: couple of questions. No wide receivers or defensive lineman for
Speaker 1: the Packers in the draft last year, which which were surprises,
Speaker 1: I think to a lot of people, including us, where
Speaker 1: do you think, Because I don't think they're going to
Speaker 1: go through this draft and not take another wide receiver again,
Speaker 1: or not take another defensive lineman again. But where do
Speaker 1: you think maybe those picks fall for the Packers. So
Speaker 1: let me say this, if the Packers do go with
Speaker 1: my original plan, which would be an offensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the first round, or if if Jenkins is there, then
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense to go
Speaker 1: receiver in the second round because you're gonna somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: fall there, and and maybe if you move around or
Speaker 1: you move up a little bit, maybe you can get
Speaker 1: one of those top flight guys that were seeing as
Speaker 1: potential first rounders that slide a little bit. If you
Speaker 1: go that direction, though, then it leads to the ultimate question.
Speaker 1: Either if you get to the third round and you
Speaker 1: don't have a cornerback or defensive lineman, you're starting to
Speaker 1: fall into the same thing that happened last year, where
Speaker 1: now you have two perceived positions of need that have
Speaker 1: yet to be addressed. I just feel like I don't
Speaker 1: know how all the dominoes fall. I feel like those
Speaker 1: four positions somewhere in those first five or six picks,
Speaker 1: the Packers have to address address those. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily saying that they need a guy
Speaker 1: to come in and start right away. But again, as
Speaker 1: I've repeated over and over again, if the Packers would
Speaker 1: not take a receiver in the strap, that would be
Speaker 1: the first time in franchise history that they haven't taken
Speaker 1: a wide receiver since that designation became a thing in
Speaker 1: in three consecutive drafts. It hasn't happened in defensive line. Mike,
Speaker 1: you just talked about I believe it was twenty six
Speaker 1: years they went with at least one defensive linemen, um
Speaker 1: that is going to be playing, you know, in that
Speaker 1: defensive trench. Obviously Jonathan Garvin was an end that then
Speaker 1: went to outside linebacker. So for that reason, I just
Speaker 1: feel like receiver makes a lot of sense potentially in
Speaker 1: the second round, especially when you factor in the rich
Speaker 1: history that Green Bay has there. Yeah, it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people, obviously offensively for the Packers,
Speaker 1: they're asking, Okay, where are they going to get the
Speaker 1: next offensive tackle if you're gonna find the next Brian Bulaga,
Speaker 1: the next David baktr whatever in this draft, But then
Speaker 1: also what are you going to do about wide receiver? What?
Speaker 1: You know, how this thing falls, You just don't know
Speaker 1: where where's the wrench going to be thrown into it? Because,
Speaker 1: as we talked about on our last show, Christian Barmore
Speaker 1: from Alabama, Levi on Noozoique from Washington, are the only
Speaker 1: defensive lineman really being talked about as first round selections.
Speaker 1: If one of those guys is there at twenty nine
Speaker 1: or you know, in that range, and Goudaku says, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the move we're gonna make. We're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna take one of these top defensive linemen here. Then
Speaker 1: you know, how do the rest of the dominos fall
Speaker 1: to to address these positions of need? And I do
Speaker 1: have to correct myself on one thing I believe I
Speaker 1: said in our last show, and I might have said
Speaker 1: an inbox that five years ago the Packers got Kenny
Speaker 1: Clark at twenty six. He was actually seven overall correction
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So sorry, I just actually I thought he was. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's I I double checked in the media guy.
Speaker 1: It is actually twenty seven. So if I've if I've
Speaker 1: been saying that wrong, I apologize. But my point being that,
Speaker 1: like I said on our last show, the track record
Speaker 1: for getting defensive lineman late in the first round and
Speaker 1: having those guys work out is not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark is as sort of the exception, not the
Speaker 1: rule in terms of drafting a guy late in the
Speaker 1: first round. So that to me, you know where you
Speaker 1: get where you find a defensive lineman in this draft
Speaker 1: to add to the mix with Clark and Kiki and
Speaker 1: Lowry and Lancaster and those guys, where you find that guy,
Speaker 1: to me is is sort of a key domino in
Speaker 1: this whole thing, because that's being talked about as a
Speaker 1: position that is so thin overall as far as the
Speaker 1: prospects in this draft. Yeah, and that's why it's such
Speaker 1: an interesting situation with defensive lineman because as you said,
Speaker 1: there are no real sure things at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. But you look at the Packers Rock
Speaker 1: record there in the third round two hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been difficult to find guys there.
Speaker 1: Now it's not impossible. Mike Daniels, Dean Lawry, fourth rounders
Speaker 1: Kingsley Kiki looks like he's gonna be a really good
Speaker 1: rotational hand here and potentially a starting type caliber player.
Speaker 1: He was a fifth rounder. There are opportunities there to
Speaker 1: find those players, but if you get out of the
Speaker 1: first round, it tends to be a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a toss up. So it's the question every GM
Speaker 1: asked this time of the years, with the exception maybe
Speaker 1: John Snyder, who I think has two draft picks this year.
Speaker 1: But for most teams that have I love you, John,
Speaker 1: most teams that have all this you know this capital,
Speaker 1: how do you allocate it? Because no matter what, when
Speaker 1: Saturday night comes, Mike I'm promising you already there is
Speaker 1: going to be a question addressed to Brian Goodacunst. You
Speaker 1: guys did an address position X. And that's not a
Speaker 1: knock on the media. It's just that there's sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just it. You can address everything in these drafts and
Speaker 1: it and it happens. It happens every year because and
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's why good coons this personnel's
Speaker 1: if they don't go they don't go into a draft
Speaker 1: focused on certain positions. They build their board and you
Speaker 1: don't go like, oh, you know in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, we haven't addressed you know, inside
Speaker 1: linebacker yet, so we have to take the best linebacker
Speaker 1: on the board in the fourth round. No, if there
Speaker 1: are other players on the board that are ranked higher,
Speaker 1: those are the players that they're going to look at
Speaker 1: more seriously. They're not going to just focus on a
Speaker 1: specific position because they didn't address it. Because if that
Speaker 1: were the approach, they would have taken a wide receiver
Speaker 1: last year, they would have taken a defensive lineman last year.
Speaker 1: They proved how they how they go about this. So
Speaker 1: one last question I'll throw at you before we go
Speaker 1: the Packers need a third quarterback, right, So do you
Speaker 1: expect a late round draft pick to be used on
Speaker 1: a quarterback or do you think they go the undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent route? Signed somebody sign a rookie after the draft.
Speaker 1: Allah the Tim Boyle acquisition from a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and They'm gonna go one step further for you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say they'll use the Kyler fact Roll compensatory pick
Speaker 1: in the sixth round to get a quarterback. Sixth round.
Speaker 1: I do think they draft one um and I'll give
Speaker 1: you a reason for that. Brian Goodkin said last year
Speaker 1: when they took Jordan's Love, that they want to be
Speaker 1: in that business like Ron Wolfe was in that business
Speaker 1: of using capital, finding good young quarterbacks and developing them
Speaker 1: in the system. Now they used a little bit higher
Speaker 1: pick on Love than than wolf did. But if you
Speaker 1: look at the track record there Brunell, Brooks, debtmer Uh,
Speaker 1: certainly Hassle Back, there are some incredible talented players that
Speaker 1: the Packers developed and then were able to trade down
Speaker 1: the line. I think they want to get back into
Speaker 1: that business, but it has to make sense for them.
Speaker 1: You're not just gonna take a quarterback to take a
Speaker 1: quarterback if they go to the undrafted route. They have
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good recent history of that as well.
Speaker 1: Now when you look at Taysom Hill and Tim Boyle,
Speaker 1: so a lot of chips on the table. But one
Speaker 1: way or another, I'm not saying the guy is gonna
Speaker 1: be on the fifty three. Who knows how all that
Speaker 1: will shuffle out, But they have to at another quarterback
Speaker 1: in the system. You have to have a third one,
Speaker 1: especially in the age of COVID, you have to have
Speaker 1: another guy ready, because you saw last year it really
Speaker 1: can have a detrimental effect to a football team if
Speaker 1: you're caught with you know, but for lack of a
Speaker 1: better expression, your pants down. I I just I have
Speaker 1: a feeling it's going to be another undrafted guy. I
Speaker 1: think that I think they've got their eye on the
Speaker 1: next Tim Boil that they're going to bring in here.
Speaker 1: But that being said, if it is, if it is
Speaker 1: a draft pick, I don't think it's prior to the
Speaker 1: sixth round. I think the sixth round would be the
Speaker 1: earliest that they would use a draft pick third quarterback. Brian,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, if you want some advice, those six
Speaker 1: round picks, you want to make some moves there, you know,
Speaker 1: toss those off, maybe throw a seventh rounder in a
Speaker 1: trade to the New England Patriots. You'll never hear complaints
Speaker 1: out of me. Always happy to, you know, make that
Speaker 1: a shorter Saturday night if possible. Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: Saturday ends up being quite the quite the busy day
Speaker 1: where they when they have three seventh round picks. That year,
Speaker 1: the longest night in my life, the one, the one
Speaker 1: I remember more than any other. There was two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven because I was all by myself, like and
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, I don't. Can't you remember exactly
Speaker 1: how many picks it was, but um here, hold on
Speaker 1: two seconds stalled for me. It was eleven picks, eleven
Speaker 1: eleven picks, and I was I was all by myself
Speaker 1: to cover every single guy on the website that year.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately just had to with just some fanning showed
Speaker 1: up in two thousand and eight to uh to help
Speaker 1: me out a little bit, man, And then you got
Speaker 1: a kicker in the sixth round. That was a rough
Speaker 1: year for you, Yeah, there are. Yeah. Two thousand seven
Speaker 1: was the three consecutive picks in the sixth round where
Speaker 1: they drafted Mason Crosby, Desmond Bishop and Corey Hall. I
Speaker 1: believe so. Um, and then you had just enough time
Speaker 1: to regroup for Shaun Win in the seventh Yes, the
Speaker 1: running back from Florida. Of course. Um. Alright, well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what weston. The first big chunk of the
Speaker 1: off season. We made it. We survived it. The draft.
Speaker 1: The draft is here, right. This is what everything from
Speaker 1: the end of the season whenever it does end. Um.
Speaker 1: This is these three days. This These are the biggest
Speaker 1: three days of the off season. These scouts, these personnel executives,
Speaker 1: they spend three d and sixty two days of their
Speaker 1: lives every year to build up to these three and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's an exciting time. Lots of new
Speaker 1: guys coming in the fold, and just you know, it
Speaker 1: is it's it's not like your fantasy football league, but
Speaker 1: it isn't you know. It is all that work, all
Speaker 1: that prep and it is just minute by minute life changes,
Speaker 1: you know, for everybody involved. You know, that's one thing
Speaker 1: that always hits home with me during this. You know,
Speaker 1: the recruiting process. Guys commit to colleges, there's always time
Speaker 1: to figure out what you want to do or to
Speaker 1: decommit or recommit in a matter of fifteen minutes on
Speaker 1: Thursday night, rowned by Picked by Pick. Fortunes are going
Speaker 1: to change human being, the direction of human beings, lives
Speaker 1: going to you know, areas, teams and the franchises. There's
Speaker 1: that line that was brought up. I wish I could
Speaker 1: attribute it to the right guy. I think Rob Demovsky
Speaker 1: might have had someone who said it. You look at
Speaker 1: that board and there's all those names up there, and inevitably,
Speaker 1: with a few exceptions, there's Hall of famers abound. There's
Speaker 1: Pro bowlers and all pros. But there's no cheat sheet
Speaker 1: to tell you which guys are which. You have to
Speaker 1: do your research, you have to prepare, and you also
Speaker 1: have to get a little lucky as well. And that's
Speaker 1: the game that will be played over three days here
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for it. Yeah, absolutely, And we
Speaker 1: will recap all of the picks and the happenings and
Speaker 1: everything next week when we are back with our ensuing shows.
Speaker 1: But for now, we'll call it a wrap on this
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