1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: trusted colleague West and Hot Kowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field and West As 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: we are taping this episode, the two thousand twenty one 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: NFL Draft is just to count them two days away. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Oh? Yeah, I've been ready 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: for it for two months. Uh No, I mean it's 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: gonna be fun. I'm personally very excited about this, Mike. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, last year was probably the most anxiety written 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: uh time I've ever had covering a draft. This will 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: be draft number twelve for me, believe it or not, 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: twelve straight drafts that I've covered. But last year you 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: were doing it out of your house. I was doing 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: it up in my bonus room, hoping that the WiFi 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: was going to stay connected as I was interviewing Jordan's love. 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: Uh and it's it is a blessing to be bad 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Back at lambeau Field. It still won't be quite the same. 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: We're not going to be in the auditorium. Everything will 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: still be over zoom and done virtually, but all things considered, 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: I'm very happy with where we are today as opposed 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: to last April. Yeah, and you and I will actually 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: be able to maybe talk to each other during the 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: draft instead of sending slack messages to one another for 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: three days. How we're how we're supposed to, uh, how 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: we're supposed to cover this and take care of all 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: of the coverage on the website. But I want to 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: spend today previewing the draft a little bit. We'll throw 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: some questions back and forth, just banter a little bit 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: about some of the things that that we hear and 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: talk about a lot at this particular time. Quickly though, 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: a shout out to our sponsor, Sirius x M. NFL 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: NFL news that true football fonetics need. Seven three all right, West. 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: The Packers enter the two thousand twenty one draft with 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: ten selections, one in each of the seven rounds, plus 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: an extra in the fourth, fifth, and sixth. In those 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: three rounds the Packers will actually be taking if they 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: stay put, we'll be taking two picks about five to 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: seven picks apart in each each of those three rounds 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: in that range. So my first question today, going in 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: with ten picks, do the Packers come out of this 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: draft with ten picks or more than that or less 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: than that. Well, first off, they're going to trade one 45 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: of the fourth rounders. That's just a that's a given. 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: That's just the way, that's the automatic. Take that one 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to the That's gonna happen at some point. I've said 48 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: for a long time, I think they will take a 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: lot of players in this draft. I could see them 50 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: moving up on Day one or Day two. That has 51 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: been what they've done specifically in the first round in 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: basically each of the last three years, they made some 53 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of move. But I still think they're gonna end 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: up taking nine or ten players. So to answer your question, 55 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: either it'll be a push or it'll be just under that. 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, they weren't able to 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: do a lot with free agency this year. They they 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: brought back some of their own guys. They took care 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: of Aaron Jones, which was a must, as Brian dudicins 60 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: that in his pre draft presser on Monday. They got 61 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: in their feeling the number one running back on the market, 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: left tackle on the market, and defensive tackle on the market. 63 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: When you look at the extensions they did in season 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: with David box R and Kenny Clark, and then obviously 65 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: resigning Aaron Jones, that doesn't leave a lot for you 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: to do in free agency. But yet they still were 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: able to get Kevin King back, they got uh, you know, 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: mar cities Lewis. But the question here is, I think 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: you have to create depth, and they have ten picks 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: to do it, and they have to be able to 71 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: get some guys on the shelves here that that's been 72 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: my contention. I don't know where players are going to go, 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: but I feel like offensive line, receiver, cornerback. You need 74 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: to find more bodies at these positions, and making those 75 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: picks will be a good way to do it. Yeah, 76 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: I I'm inclined to say that the Packers are going 77 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: to come out of this draft with ten picks, But 78 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: I say that because not because I think Brian Goudacus 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: is gonna sit and pick at all ten spots, which 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: actually I don't remember what the number was. There was 81 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: one year that Ted Thompson actually sat and picked at 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: every spot. He didn't a single trade. I can that 83 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: that might have been. That might have been what it was. 84 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: I can't remember for sure back around there was one year, 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: but I think Goodakoots is going to make multiple trades here. 86 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: There's going to be a trade up at some point. 87 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: There's going to be a trade down at some point. 88 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I think eventually, as far as the number of picks, 89 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: the trades are going to cancel each other out and 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: the Packers are are going to come out of this 91 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: draft with ten picks. I think. I don't. I don't 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: see Brian Goodakoots making some huge sacrifices and then only 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: coming out of this draft with seven or eight picks. 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: For the exact reason that you said, the Packers don't 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: have any glaring holes, as Goodakoon said on Monday, there 96 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: are any glaring holes in the starting lineup where if 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: the Packers had to play a game this weekend, they 98 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to play because they don't have somebody 99 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: that the roster is built with all the players they 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: brought back the rosters, the roster is built to go 101 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: ahead and play a game tomorrow. Right, But you look 102 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: at where things sit as far as the future with 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: regard to the defensive line, the cornerback position, offensive tackle, 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: uh wide receiver, you know, all all of those things. 105 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: I do think there there is the need to build 106 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: depth at certain spots and to plan for the future 107 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: at multiple spots here because of because of some veteran 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: guys who's whose contract situations will be in the mix 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: here in the next you know, twelve and twenty four 110 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: months was the drafteen. They had the comp picks where 111 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: they ended up getting Richard Rodgers and Jared iber Darris, 112 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: and then they also had their normal seven picks that 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: they ended up selecting, which actually, you go back and 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: look at that was a pretty darn good draft. Was 115 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: darn good draft and all pro in in Clinton Dicks 116 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 1: that failed the need for many years, you know, arguably 117 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game right now Davante Adams, 118 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: and then legitimately the number one center in the game 119 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: in Corey Lindsley last season. Yeah, Richard Rogers Mr Hail 120 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: mary Um picked in the third round of that draft. 121 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: That I just remember that being so unusual that after 122 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: all those three days, it was like Ted Thompson didn't 123 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: make a trade. I think they even joked about that 124 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: in the press afterward, because that was after two thousand 125 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: thirteen where they had all these you know, that was 126 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: the year they had like twelve picks or whatever. I mean, 127 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: they they'd really been accruing quite a bit and then 128 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: they just sort of stepped pad. But that's the fun 129 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: part of this process, right, I mean Brian Goodicin has 130 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: talked about, I mean, this draft, you never know how 131 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the dominoes are gonna fall. You're never gonna know what 132 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: kind of trades present themselves and the opportunities are there, 133 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: and as you wrote in our five Things story on Monday, 134 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: you know you have to be just true to yourself, 135 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: not overspend, be mindful, use your process, and and trusted. 136 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: And that's what the Packers plan to do with this opportunity. Yeah. 137 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Well that brings me to my next question here in 138 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: the first round, the Packers currently own the number twenty 139 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: nine overall pick, so we all know that it's going 140 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: to depend on how the board falls, right, but we'll 141 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: throw the question out anyway. Do you predict Goodakoons will 142 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: sit and pick at twenty nine? Will he trade up 143 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: from twenty nine? Will he trade back from twenty nine? 144 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: I think I do. I don't know how many spots. 145 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like last year was only what four spots for, 146 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: but they moved up to get Jordan's love. But the 147 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: reason I say that is because I think there's gonna 148 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: be some really talented players that fall into the early 149 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: twenties but maybe aren't necessarily there at twenty nine, and 150 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: players that are basically singular at their position. Right like, 151 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: unless there's a tackle that you and I don't know 152 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: about that's climbing the Scouts draft boards, it basically looks 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: like Tevin Jenkins is the guy in the twenties if 154 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: you want to tackle um. Now, there are some medical 155 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: things that have come up. You know Caleb Farley, you've 156 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: seen his information. Now you know a couple of questions 157 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: about some lingering nerve issues, and that could he be 158 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: there now in the later first rounds after I think 159 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people months ago projected him to possibly 160 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: be the first cornerback off the board. Those are the 161 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: questions that have to solve themselves. But I think once 162 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: you get to number twenty, there's gonna be some really 163 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: intriguing players there. And I just wonder what the equity 164 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: that the Packers have with having those two fourth round 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: picks is that give you an opportunity to maybe go 166 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: up and find somebody Yeah. I thought it was interesting 167 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: how Gudakins talked about that on Monday, that when you're 168 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: sitting there at twenty nine and you've spent months a 169 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: personnel guy, you spent an entire year studying all of 170 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: these players. You know, you're you're ranking them, you're evaluating them, 171 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: you're projecting all of these top players into you know, 172 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: how would they how would they fit your team, and 173 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: what could they do for your team and help you out? 174 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: And then you have to sit there on Thursday night 175 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: at twenty nine and watch all these guys fly off 176 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: the board. You know that it becomes very very tempting 177 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: to trade up, and it because you want to get 178 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you've been thinking about. You 179 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: know that that you've projected into your team, and you 180 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: want to make sure you get that guy. But there 181 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: are two things. The way I took Goodakoons comments, he 182 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: didn't lay it out necessarily as like you know A 183 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: and B. But there are two things that you you 184 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: have to do in this process. One, you have you 185 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: have to weigh the cost, what is the cost of 186 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: trading up? And then too, how special is the player? 187 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: Is it just a player you really like or is 188 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: it a player that you really think is special and 189 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: is and is a difference maker. Those are the kinds 190 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: of things that you know where it takes the discipline 191 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: to sit back and go, Okay, this isn't just a 192 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: guy that I've fallen in love with. This is this 193 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: is a guy who's a special player, and the cost 194 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: isn't too much to move up and get him. That 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: being said, I wouldn't be surprised to go back to 196 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: my original question, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 197 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: packers trade up. But the other scenario that I could 198 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: see developing here is a trade back from twenty nine 199 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: to somewhere in like the mid thirties, where you pick 200 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: up an extra selection, but then you use that extra selection, 201 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, third or fourth round, whatever it might be, 202 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: to then move up from the bottom of the second 203 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: round towards the middle of the second round, so instead 204 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: of picking at twenty nine and sixty two, you end 205 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: up taking two guys in the thirty five to fifty range. 206 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: That's something that I could definitely see evolving here, depending 207 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: when you get into the mid twenties and you know, 208 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: how strong does that board look, and if that board 209 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: looks strong enough that Goodakoons feels he you get two 210 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: really good players somewhere between the mid thirties to the 211 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: mid to late forties, then maybe that's the strategy he 212 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, employs as far as his his first two picks. 213 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: So um. But again, something that's very hard to predict 214 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: in advance because you don't know who those first twenty guys, 215 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: those first twenty five guys are going to be that 216 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: come off the board. And it's something that you know, 217 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: the scouts, the personnel executives with G. M. Gouda Kunts, 218 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: they play, They mock a lot of scenarios. They go 219 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: through a lot of scenarios, what are we gonna do 220 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: if this happens? What are we gonna do if this happens? 221 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: So that they can react in the moment. They've played 222 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: out the scenario in their mind and they've already explored 223 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: some potential trade partners to move either up or down. Yeah, 224 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: and you obviously had to read this this week editing inbox. 225 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: But I used to be a pretty staunch believer in 226 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: that moving back, you know, finding picks, finding opportunities, because 227 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: sometimes those players become Jordy Nelson or although it wasn't 228 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: entirely how that played out, But Casey Hayward, you know 229 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: guys that you find in the second round that maybe 230 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: people slept down a little bit that end up being 231 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, all Pro type players. I have shifted though, 232 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: and I wrote about this an Insider inbox this week. 233 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: The fifth year option has really changed me in my 234 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: the way I see it because it is really a 235 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: valuable tool. Now the number of years their packers went 236 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: without really using the fifth year option, if memory serves correct, 237 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: I want to say, well, hahak Clinton Dix would have 238 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: been the first one that received it, I believe in 239 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen. Certainly they did it again with 240 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark and and now, as Brian Goodkin said, in 241 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: just a matter of time, it will be before Jaire 242 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: Alexander gets that that's a valuable tool because it allows 243 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: you that extra year. You talked about the fifth year, fine, 244 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: but it gives you a bigger window to negotiate a 245 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: contract with a guy, not just to work all the 246 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: details of it, but it gives you something to build 247 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: off of in terms of an extension, using that year 248 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: to pro rate funds. And for me, that's a very 249 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: enticing option. Now, at the beginning of this process, it 250 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: was a lot of quarterbacks that teams did that. With 251 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. You think about Teddy Bridgeddy Bridgewater being another one, yeah, 252 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: and and that they looked at it as a quarterback thing. 253 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: It really helps you. But now as you're seeing guys 254 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: like gire Alexander breakout and Kenny Clark breakout, I just 255 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: think it's such a valuable asset to be able to use. 256 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: So for my money, even though if you look at 257 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: the draft value chart, it will tell you that moving 258 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: back tense spots isn't really that big of a deal. 259 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: I do wonder how much in the long run that 260 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: that really affects things. Yeah. The one thing I will 261 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: say though, is that we're starting to see a shift 262 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: with the fifth year option where it's not quite as 263 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: team friendly as it used to be. The those fifth 264 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: year salaries are getting to be a lot more player 265 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: friendly for guys who play a lot, earned Pro Bowl honors, 266 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: those kinds of things, they're getting salaries that are much 267 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: closer to like a franchise tag type of salary, which 268 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: in the earlier days of the fifth year option, those 269 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: those uh, those fifth year salaries weren't quite that high, 270 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: so we are seeing a little bit of shift there. 271 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you also with regard 272 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: to the first pick. Okay, we talked about this a 273 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: little bit on our last show, that a whole planet 274 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: theory about big guy. There's only so many, you know, 275 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: that that the Lord puts on the planet. So with 276 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: the first pick, whether it's at twenty nine or wherever it, maybe, 277 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: do you see the Packers getting a big guy offensive 278 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: or defensive line, or do you think they end up 279 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: selecting a different position. I'm still going with offensive line. 280 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: That's gonna be my pick until the pick is made, 281 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: and then after it gets made, I'll go, why didn't 282 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I really think of that? You know? Um, here's the 283 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: thing you mentioned this, and it's a good it's a 284 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: salient point, offensive defensive line, getting a big guy. There's 285 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot of value there. Um, certainly there is a risk. 286 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Every picks a risk, you know, and nobody's given, you know, 287 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: a sure thing in the first round. I've even made 288 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: that remark and inbox this week, Aaron Donald maybe the 289 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: best defensive tackle who's ever played the game. He wasn't 290 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: a lock, you know, back in two thousand thirteen or 291 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: wherever he was drafted, he won. He won every college 292 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: every major college defensive award, his senior year at Pit, 293 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: his final season at Pit, and then he still lasted 294 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: till the thirteenth pick of that draft because his his tangents, 295 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: intangibles didn't didn't really match up for people. But if 296 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: you just had him take a shirt off and stand 297 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: or you'd be like, holy gosh, I mean, this is 298 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: an Adonis, you know what I mean. But people get 299 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: so hung up on the measurables. And that's why Brian 300 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Goodkin said, you need to kind of have that Mendoza line. Sure, 301 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: but then you've got to adjust it if there's a player. 302 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: So I still am leaning towards offensive line, but you 303 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: start to think about it, Mike cornerback, if there's one 304 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: that's enticing there that you want to take a shot at. 305 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm going against everything I've said, but you 306 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: think about receivers too, and if there is a guy 307 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: that makes sense for him that late, whether it is 308 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Bateman out of Minnesota or whether maybe they cover their 309 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: eyes a little bit and go with the Elijah more. 310 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: There are guys at all these positions that I think 311 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: could be real game changers for them. It hasn't always 312 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: been like this. There's been many years with the Packers 313 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: have picked twenty eight beyond where I've kind of been like, well, 314 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: who's going to fall to him? Last year was sort 315 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: of one of those years too. This year, I really 316 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: think there's a number of guys that that meet that 317 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: need and also the long term investment that the Packers 318 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: look for. Yeah, I I've decided if I answered your 319 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: question no, that that's okay, because I'm not sure I'm 320 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: going to answer it either. I you know, these last 321 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: these last couple of years, I've kind of decided that 322 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: just nothing is going to surprise me in the first 323 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: round with Brian Gudukunst anymore, because I I do I think. 324 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: I do think if there is if there is a 325 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: top notch offensive tackle or interior defensive lineman who's there 326 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: at twenty nine or maybe is there at twenty six 327 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: or twenty five, and and you know, he makes the 328 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: move to go up, I still think the most likely 329 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: pick is a big guy. But certainly a cornerback would 330 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: not surprise me. And even even though as we talked 331 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: about before the Packers haven't used a first round pick 332 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: on a receiver since two thousand two. They haven't used 333 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: a first round pick on an inside linebacker since two 334 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: thousand and six. Those wouldn't necessarily surprise me either. I mean, 335 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you know this. You know Jamon Davis from Kentucky inside linebacker. 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people asking about Jeremiah Osukamo 337 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: from Notre Gun but um, but you know, a lot 338 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: of stuff that I'm seeing says no way that that 339 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Coamoa is there at twenty nine, that he's he's going 340 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: to He's going to go off the board much earlier 341 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: than that. But you mentioned the wide receivers you have. 342 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: You have Bateman, you have Terris Marshall from l s U, 343 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: you have Elijah More, Ron Dale Moore, Ca, Darius Tony. 344 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: The smaller slot, you know, shift to your guys. Honestly, 345 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I'd be surprised by 346 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be surprised by anything. At 347 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: this point, we don't know what the board looks like. Brian, 348 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: We're sitting here talking about big guys, right offensive defensive lineman. 349 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Maybe Brian Goudkuns feels like, you know, he's got his 350 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: eye on the next you know, Mike Daniels in the 351 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: fourth round that he knows he can go get this 352 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: defensive lineman there, you know he can get. He can 353 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: get you know, the next Chad Clifton in the second 354 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: round on the offensive line, you know, a long time 355 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: left tackle for the Packers who was drafted I believe 356 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: forty four overall in the middle of the second round. 357 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: So um. But that leads to, uh to my next 358 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: couple of questions. No wide receivers or defensive lineman for 359 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the Packers in the draft last year, which which were surprises, 360 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: I think to a lot of people, including us, where 361 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: do you think, Because I don't think they're going to 362 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: go through this draft and not take another wide receiver again, 363 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: or not take another defensive lineman again. But where do 364 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: you think maybe those picks fall for the Packers. So 365 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: let me say this, if the Packers do go with 366 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: my original plan, which would be an offensive tackle in 367 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: the first round, or if if Jenkins is there, then 368 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense to go 369 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: receiver in the second round because you're gonna somebody's gonna 370 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: fall there, and and maybe if you move around or 371 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: you move up a little bit, maybe you can get 372 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: one of those top flight guys that were seeing as 373 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: potential first rounders that slide a little bit. If you 374 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: go that direction, though, then it leads to the ultimate question. 375 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Either if you get to the third round and you 376 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: don't have a cornerback or defensive lineman, you're starting to 377 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: fall into the same thing that happened last year, where 378 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: now you have two perceived positions of need that have 379 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: yet to be addressed. I just feel like I don't 380 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: know how all the dominoes fall. I feel like those 381 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: four positions somewhere in those first five or six picks, 382 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: the Packers have to address address those. I just feel 383 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily saying that they need a guy 384 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: to come in and start right away. But again, as 385 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: I've repeated over and over again, if the Packers would 386 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: not take a receiver in the strap, that would be 387 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: the first time in franchise history that they haven't taken 388 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: a wide receiver since that designation became a thing in 389 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: in three consecutive drafts. It hasn't happened in defensive line. Mike, 390 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: you just talked about I believe it was twenty six 391 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: years they went with at least one defensive linemen, um 392 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: that is going to be playing, you know, in that 393 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: defensive trench. Obviously Jonathan Garvin was an end that then 394 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: went to outside linebacker. So for that reason, I just 395 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: feel like receiver makes a lot of sense potentially in 396 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: the second round, especially when you factor in the rich 397 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: history that Green Bay has there. Yeah, it's interesting. I 398 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: mean a lot of people, obviously offensively for the Packers, 399 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: they're asking, Okay, where are they going to get the 400 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: next offensive tackle if you're gonna find the next Brian Bulaga, 401 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: the next David baktr whatever in this draft, But then 402 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: also what are you going to do about wide receiver? What? 403 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: You know, how this thing falls, You just don't know 404 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: where where's the wrench going to be thrown into it? Because, 405 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: as we talked about on our last show, Christian Barmore 406 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: from Alabama, Levi on Noozoique from Washington, are the only 407 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: defensive lineman really being talked about as first round selections. 408 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: If one of those guys is there at twenty nine 409 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: or you know, in that range, and Goudaku says, Okay, 410 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: this is the move we're gonna make. We're gonna we're 411 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: gonna take one of these top defensive linemen here. Then 412 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, how do the rest of the dominos fall 413 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: to to address these positions of need? And I do 414 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: have to correct myself on one thing I believe I 415 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: said in our last show, and I might have said 416 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: an inbox that five years ago the Packers got Kenny 417 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Clark at twenty six. He was actually seven overall correction 418 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So sorry, I just actually I thought he was. No, 419 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: it's it's I I double checked in the media guy. 420 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: It is actually twenty seven. So if I've if I've 421 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: been saying that wrong, I apologize. But my point being that, 422 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: like I said on our last show, the track record 423 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: for getting defensive lineman late in the first round and 424 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: having those guys work out is not good. I mean, 425 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark is as sort of the exception, not the 426 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: rule in terms of drafting a guy late in the 427 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: first round. So that to me, you know where you 428 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: get where you find a defensive lineman in this draft 429 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: to add to the mix with Clark and Kiki and 430 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: Lowry and Lancaster and those guys, where you find that guy, 431 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: to me is is sort of a key domino in 432 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: this whole thing, because that's being talked about as a 433 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: position that is so thin overall as far as the 434 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: prospects in this draft. Yeah, and that's why it's such 435 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: an interesting situation with defensive lineman because as you said, 436 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: there are no real sure things at the end of 437 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: the first round. But you look at the Packers Rock 438 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: record there in the third round two hasn't been great. 439 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been difficult to find guys there. 440 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: Now it's not impossible. Mike Daniels, Dean Lawry, fourth rounders 441 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Kingsley Kiki looks like he's gonna be a really good 442 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: rotational hand here and potentially a starting type caliber player. 443 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: He was a fifth rounder. There are opportunities there to 444 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: find those players, but if you get out of the 445 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: first round, it tends to be a little bit more 446 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: of a toss up. So it's the question every GM 447 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: asked this time of the years, with the exception maybe 448 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: John Snyder, who I think has two draft picks this year. 449 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: But for most teams that have I love you, John, 450 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: most teams that have all this you know this capital, 451 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: how do you allocate it? Because no matter what, when 452 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: Saturday night comes, Mike I'm promising you already there is 453 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: going to be a question addressed to Brian Goodacunst. You 454 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: guys did an address position X. And that's not a 455 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: knock on the media. It's just that there's sometimes it's 456 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: just it. You can address everything in these drafts and 457 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: it and it happens. It happens every year because and 458 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's why good coons this personnel's 459 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: if they don't go they don't go into a draft 460 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: focused on certain positions. They build their board and you 461 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: don't go like, oh, you know in the fourth round. 462 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, we haven't addressed you know, inside 463 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: linebacker yet, so we have to take the best linebacker 464 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: on the board in the fourth round. No, if there 465 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: are other players on the board that are ranked higher, 466 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: those are the players that they're going to look at 467 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: more seriously. They're not going to just focus on a 468 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: specific position because they didn't address it. Because if that 469 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: were the approach, they would have taken a wide receiver 470 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: last year, they would have taken a defensive lineman last year. 471 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: They proved how they how they go about this. So 472 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: one last question I'll throw at you before we go 473 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: the Packers need a third quarterback, right, So do you 474 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: expect a late round draft pick to be used on 475 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback or do you think they go the undrafted 476 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: free agent route? Signed somebody sign a rookie after the draft. 477 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: Allah the Tim Boyle acquisition from a few years ago, 478 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: and They'm gonna go one step further for you. I'm 479 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: gonna say they'll use the Kyler fact Roll compensatory pick 480 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: in the sixth round to get a quarterback. Sixth round. 481 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: I do think they draft one um and I'll give 482 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: you a reason for that. Brian Goodkin said last year 483 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: when they took Jordan's Love, that they want to be 484 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: in that business like Ron Wolfe was in that business 485 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: of using capital, finding good young quarterbacks and developing them 486 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: in the system. Now they used a little bit higher 487 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: pick on Love than than wolf did. But if you 488 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: look at the track record there Brunell, Brooks, debtmer Uh, 489 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: certainly Hassle Back, there are some incredible talented players that 490 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: the Packers developed and then were able to trade down 491 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: the line. I think they want to get back into 492 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: that business, but it has to make sense for them. 493 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: You're not just gonna take a quarterback to take a 494 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: quarterback if they go to the undrafted route. They have 495 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: a pretty darn good recent history of that as well. 496 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: Now when you look at Taysom Hill and Tim Boyle, 497 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: so a lot of chips on the table. But one 498 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: way or another, I'm not saying the guy is gonna 499 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: be on the fifty three. Who knows how all that 500 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: will shuffle out, But they have to at another quarterback 501 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: in the system. You have to have a third one, 502 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: especially in the age of COVID, you have to have 503 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: another guy ready, because you saw last year it really 504 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: can have a detrimental effect to a football team if 505 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: you're caught with you know, but for lack of a 506 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: better expression, your pants down. I I just I have 507 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: a feeling it's going to be another undrafted guy. I 508 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: think that I think they've got their eye on the 509 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: next Tim Boil that they're going to bring in here. 510 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: But that being said, if it is, if it is 511 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: a draft pick, I don't think it's prior to the 512 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: sixth round. I think the sixth round would be the 513 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: earliest that they would use a draft pick third quarterback. Brian, 514 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: if you're listening, if you want some advice, those six 515 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: round picks, you want to make some moves there, you know, 516 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: toss those off, maybe throw a seventh rounder in a 517 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: trade to the New England Patriots. You'll never hear complaints 518 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: out of me. Always happy to, you know, make that 519 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: a shorter Saturday night if possible. Yeah, I was gonna say, 520 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: Saturday ends up being quite the quite the busy day 521 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: where they when they have three seventh round picks. That year, 522 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: the longest night in my life, the one, the one 523 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: I remember more than any other. There was two thousand 524 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: and seven because I was all by myself, like and 525 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, I don't. Can't you remember exactly 526 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: how many picks it was, but um here, hold on 527 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: two seconds stalled for me. It was eleven picks, eleven 528 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: eleven picks, and I was I was all by myself 529 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: to cover every single guy on the website that year. 530 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: So unfortunately just had to with just some fanning showed 531 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: up in two thousand and eight to uh to help 532 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: me out a little bit, man, And then you got 533 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: a kicker in the sixth round. That was a rough 534 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: year for you, Yeah, there are. Yeah. Two thousand seven 535 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: was the three consecutive picks in the sixth round where 536 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: they drafted Mason Crosby, Desmond Bishop and Corey Hall. I 537 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: believe so. Um, and then you had just enough time 538 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: to regroup for Shaun Win in the seventh Yes, the 539 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: running back from Florida. Of course. Um. Alright, well, I'll 540 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: tell you what weston. The first big chunk of the 541 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: off season. We made it. We survived it. The draft. 542 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: The draft is here, right. This is what everything from 543 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: the end of the season whenever it does end. Um. 544 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: This is these three days. This These are the biggest 545 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: three days of the off season. These scouts, these personnel executives, 546 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: they spend three d and sixty two days of their 547 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: lives every year to build up to these three and 548 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's an exciting time. Lots of new 549 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: guys coming in the fold, and just you know, it 550 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: is it's it's not like your fantasy football league, but 551 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: it isn't you know. It is all that work, all 552 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: that prep and it is just minute by minute life changes, 553 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, for everybody involved. You know, that's one thing 554 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: that always hits home with me during this. You know, 555 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: the recruiting process. Guys commit to colleges, there's always time 556 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: to figure out what you want to do or to 557 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: decommit or recommit in a matter of fifteen minutes on 558 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: Thursday night, rowned by Picked by Pick. Fortunes are going 559 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: to change human being, the direction of human beings, lives 560 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: going to you know, areas, teams and the franchises. There's 561 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: that line that was brought up. I wish I could 562 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: attribute it to the right guy. I think Rob Demovsky 563 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: might have had someone who said it. You look at 564 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: that board and there's all those names up there, and inevitably, 565 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: with a few exceptions, there's Hall of famers abound. There's 566 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: Pro bowlers and all pros. But there's no cheat sheet 567 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: to tell you which guys are which. You have to 568 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: do your research, you have to prepare, and you also 569 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: have to get a little lucky as well. And that's 570 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: the game that will be played over three days here 571 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: and I cannot wait for it. Yeah, absolutely, And we 572 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: will recap all of the picks and the happenings and 573 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: everything next week when we are back with our ensuing shows. 574 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: But for now, we'll call it a wrap on this 575 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscript and be sure to follow all 576 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team, everything going on with 577 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft We will have it for you. Stories, videos, reactions, 578 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: insider inbox questions, you name it, it it will be there 579 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: for you on packers dot com for West, I'm Mike. 580 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, everybody, See you next time.