WEBVTT - Arm Files for its IPO, Zoom CFO on Earnings & Microsoft's Final Activision Push

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<v Speaker 1>From Marhart where Innovation, Money and Power Collie in Silicon Valley, NBN.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Caroline Hyder Bloomberg's world headquarters.

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<v Speaker 4>In New York and Imed Ludlow in San Francisco. This

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<v Speaker 4>is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up armed files for its IPO, which is set

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<v Speaker 3>to be one of the biggest of the year. We

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<v Speaker 3>bring you the biggest takeaways from its filing.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus we talk earnings with the CFO of Zoom as

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<v Speaker 4>analysts sour on long term growth for the video conferencing company.

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<v Speaker 3>And Microsoft pushes to get its activision deal done, finally.

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<v Speaker 5>Submitting a new bid to the CMA in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll discuss that and so much more throughout this hour,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, including the macro environment we find ourselves the

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<v Speaker 3>way in which tech has continued to outperform other benchmarks

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<v Speaker 3>on the day, even in the face of rising yields.

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<v Speaker 3>Once again, in the borrowing mark market, we're seeing the

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<v Speaker 3>NASDA C cup just a quarter of percent. We've seen

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<v Speaker 3>whipsawing coming from some key names. All eyes on video,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, as we head towards the closing bell, the

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<v Speaker 3>two year yield just top about a basis point.

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<v Speaker 5>And in fact, we're seeing a bit of a calmness.

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<v Speaker 3>In the bond market that has seen sustained pressure all

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<v Speaker 3>eyes of course, not only on earnings coming this week

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<v Speaker 3>for some big, big tech bellwethers, but Jay Powell come Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>of course from Jackson Hole, what he says about the

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<v Speaker 3>future of boring costs here in the US.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm looking and what's happening in China.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting volatility in China's trading, the fact that we actually

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<v Speaker 3>saw a pickup in buying, particularly on the CSI, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at the crane shares, the kewbers. It's known

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<v Speaker 3>basically some of the key et key internet names traded

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<v Speaker 3>here in the US just holding on to gains for

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<v Speaker 3>about a tenth of percent, but coming off of their highs.

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<v Speaker 3>Moving on to what is the key risk gus under

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<v Speaker 3>choice often in this show we're seeing off about seven

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<v Speaker 3>tens of percent now Crypto bitcoin, as we see under

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<v Speaker 3>continued pressure at about twenty six thousand there thereabout said

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<v Speaker 3>but what if you've got on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Micro Yeah, there's a lot to get through this Tuesday

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<v Speaker 4>earnings is a part of it. Zoom is off by

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<v Speaker 4>nine tenths percent, but off session lows a slight adjustment

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<v Speaker 4>higher for guidance on sales strengthen enterprise, but single digit

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<v Speaker 4>declines are happening with individual customers small businesses that we're

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<v Speaker 4>using the video platform from Zoom.

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<v Speaker 6>We will speak to the CFO.

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<v Speaker 4>Lots of questions from the street about well, what happens

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<v Speaker 4>if the macro picture gets better and what are you

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<v Speaker 4>guys going to do with your capital? Those are questions

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<v Speaker 4>that we'll ask. As you pointed out, Activision and Microsoft

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<v Speaker 4>is a big, big story. The concession from Microsoft is

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<v Speaker 4>to allow another video games publisher, Ubisoft, to sell Activision's

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<v Speaker 4>titles through cloud gaming markets globally. Will that be enough

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<v Speaker 4>for the CMA to get the deal over the line?

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<v Speaker 4>We will go to our reporter on that one. The big,

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<v Speaker 4>big story, the one we've all been waiting for, and

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<v Speaker 4>finally it's here, is ARM, the chip design software name,

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<v Speaker 4>finally filing for its IPO. We didn't actually learn much

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<v Speaker 4>about the share sale in the documents. What we do

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<v Speaker 4>know is that SoftBank will still be the single biggest

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<v Speaker 4>controlling shareholder after the transaction. Bloomberg's reported that the target

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<v Speaker 4>valuation sixty to seventy billion US dollars. If they raise

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<v Speaker 4>around ten billion dollars, this will be not just the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest IPO of the year here in the United States, Caroline,

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<v Speaker 4>but the biggest IPO going back to Rivians in November

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one. There's this big idea that could this

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<v Speaker 4>be the starting gun for the IPO market when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to tech lots to cover?

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<v Speaker 3>And that is so much of where the narrative has

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<v Speaker 3>been what this means for the broader market, But what

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<v Speaker 3>does it mean in terms of the actual technology that

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<v Speaker 3>is driving this name. Bloomberg's in King of forse have

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<v Speaker 3>been all over not only the entire semiconductor space, but

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<v Speaker 3>what arm brings to that space and in what struck

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<v Speaker 3>you For many it was exposure to China.

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<v Speaker 5>But where did you get the narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>Of what this business actually does in the filing?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean fundamentally, they're trying to reposition themselves as

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<v Speaker 7>being a different, more evolved company from where they were

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<v Speaker 7>when they were originally publicly traded and brought by a

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<v Speaker 7>soft bank. And really, while it's not really appealing in

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<v Speaker 7>the filings, what we're understanding is that the real sales

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<v Speaker 7>pitch here is going to be focused on. Look, this

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<v Speaker 7>is how important we are in the data center. We're

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<v Speaker 7>more than just a mobile phone technology company.

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<v Speaker 4>The history of ARM is the provider of blueprints for

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<v Speaker 4>smartphone processes that their designs led to energy efficiency you

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<v Speaker 4>think about battery life on a cell phone crucial.

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<v Speaker 6>They also have the.

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<v Speaker 4>IP or the code that determines how a chip interacts

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<v Speaker 4>with the software you want to run through it. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a big publicity stunt, right, It's like saying to

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<v Speaker 4>the world, we're here, we're ARM. But how does it

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<v Speaker 4>help them move that company forward? Because automotive data center,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not what they've done historically.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, you know they are spreading right. Their

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<v Speaker 7>story has always been one of how quickly can we

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<v Speaker 7>become as pervasive as we think we can be, And

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<v Speaker 7>you know, that's really been a very strong story for them.

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<v Speaker 7>Whether at the same time they're trying to do more

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<v Speaker 7>than that. They're trying to kind of move up the

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<v Speaker 7>stack to be more of a technology provider, to do

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<v Speaker 7>more of the designs, to provide more of the complete

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<v Speaker 7>sort of picture, and be less reliant on the actual

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<v Speaker 7>chip makers, and that in theory brings their market a

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<v Speaker 7>broader audience. So companies like Amazon, not traditionally a chip maker,

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<v Speaker 7>can design their own.

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<v Speaker 4>Chips, right, they use ARM as part of what they

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<v Speaker 4>goes into the AWS offering. Thirty five hundred words were

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<v Speaker 4>dedicated to China. Explain ARMS business exposure in China.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean it's like many semiconductor companies in this country.

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<v Speaker 7>It's China is the biggest market for chips. You want

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<v Speaker 7>to be there. Whether at the same time, Washington is

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<v Speaker 7>more and more concerned about China's capabilities in chips and

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<v Speaker 7>is taking steps to limit what US or other companies

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<v Speaker 7>outside of China can do inside China. So that's the

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<v Speaker 7>conflict there, and that's why you saw the detailed discussions

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<v Speaker 7>about these are the risks is what we have to

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<v Speaker 7>think about.

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<v Speaker 3>A slowing mobile environment a China risk factor.

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<v Speaker 5>But to be fair, since twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourteen, twenty fifteen, when I was back in London, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember that ARM taking me to their headquarters I was

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<v Speaker 3>in Cambridge. They were desperate to tell this whole Internet

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<v Speaker 3>of things discussion point under Simon Segers at the time

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<v Speaker 3>that it has been a narrative they've been trying to

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<v Speaker 3>build as to how they are more than mobile. What

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<v Speaker 3>are they in terms of soft Bank's pitch? Why would

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<v Speaker 3>SoftBank not be wanting to sell into also this AI euphoria.

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<v Speaker 5>At the moment?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they wanting to perhaps keep hold of ARM a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit longer in the near term?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean the you, I mean where we're going

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<v Speaker 7>to come to market earlier this year, and chip stocks

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<v Speaker 7>were obviously not doing very well then, so I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>read too much into the timing. I think SoftBank obviously

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<v Speaker 7>needs a win given some of the other investments that

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<v Speaker 7>it's made which haven't panned out. But in terms of

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<v Speaker 7>the timing, and you mentioned the AI euphoria quite accurately, Caroline,

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<v Speaker 7>that's where we are now. And the best way I

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<v Speaker 7>think to think about what ARM has to say there

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<v Speaker 7>is who's in Who's reporting tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 6>In video?

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<v Speaker 7>Half of in Video's sort of top line product is

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<v Speaker 7>a processor based on ARM technology. So they have a play,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's something that they'll be trying to, I think,

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<v Speaker 7>pitch to investors more strongly.

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg's ian king, mister Chip we call him, and I

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<v Speaker 4>take it from me, it's been a busy few days

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<v Speaker 4>for him. Let's stick with the story and bringing Glen

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<v Speaker 4>O'donnald Forrester Research director and vice president. Glenn just very simply,

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<v Speaker 4>you've been through the filing. What was the main takeaway

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<v Speaker 4>from you of what we learned about ARMS?

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<v Speaker 1>I poll it's it's it's trying to capitalize. As Ian

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, Uh, you know, with the AI craze going

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<v Speaker 1>on right now, this is a good time to capitalize

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<v Speaker 1>on that because even though with AI most of the

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<v Speaker 1>talk is about in video, in video's process processors need

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<v Speaker 1>CPUs a different kind of processor to to work properly.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know it has licensed ARMS technology to you

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<v Speaker 1>to give it that capability, but lots of other players

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<v Speaker 1>have these ARMED designs and it's really the brains behind

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of what's what's what's to come. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the timing of this I p o is is

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<v Speaker 1>really perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>And put ARM in the ecosystem. Who are the competitors,

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<v Speaker 3>who are they managing to work with and against?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the biggest competitor is the established Intel a m

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<v Speaker 1>D base what we call X eighty six processors, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just about every PC has an X eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six processor, and most data center systems have X eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>These things are ubiquitous and they're not going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>that ubiquity. However, ARM is going after a slice of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting that even though these are two you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hyper competitor of companies, let's say Intel and AMD, Intel

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<v Speaker 1>has actually entered into an agreement to manufacture chips or ARM.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, this whole concept of frenemies is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>common in the tech space.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too small a world not to have a few frenemies, Glenn.

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<v Speaker 3>But Ed, it's interesting, isn't it that even as we

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<v Speaker 3>talk up this AI hype, even as we look towards

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<v Speaker 3>in video after the bell, we did get numbers in

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<v Speaker 3>the filing and quite clearly there is a slight slowdown

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<v Speaker 3>being felt by ARM in this macro environment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can't outrun your main business, which I think, Glenn.

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<v Speaker 4>The numbers showed sales were down one percent in the

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<v Speaker 4>period ending March of this year on the year. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>what did that tell you about the health of their

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<v Speaker 4>main business, principally the association with smartphone processes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, smartphones are down, as we all know, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the semiconductor stocks and companies have been suffering the economic

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<v Speaker 1>slowdown has has had a a really strong impact on

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. And you know, it hasn't been a

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<v Speaker 1>good couple of quarters for these companies, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>there is a turnaround in underway, and again it's fueled

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<v Speaker 1>by all this AI stuff, most notably generative AI. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been through a number of AI waves that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>pan out, but this one's different. And you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see we're going to see a huge surge

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<v Speaker 1>in demand for chips that are able to process these

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<v Speaker 1>uh these workloads that people are going to be throwing

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<v Speaker 1>at it. And we're seeing that with Nvidia and VideA

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<v Speaker 1>is already saying, hey, we can't make enough of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and demand is just off off the charts. So ARM

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<v Speaker 1>is going along for that ride in a big way

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<v Speaker 1>because it has that complementary connection to what in video

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<v Speaker 1>is writing.

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<v Speaker 6>Glenn, I get it. You're you're a financial analyst, right.

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<v Speaker 4>We love to pour over the numbers that The thing

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<v Speaker 4>I love about I POS is just hype, the story,

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<v Speaker 4>the publicity. How important is it to your the world

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<v Speaker 4>knows about ARM, that they hear about this big IPO

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<v Speaker 4>of a company called ARM that they may never have heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yeah, well they never have heard of it. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people haven't. And you know, for the most part, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't really make the chips, they license the technology. So

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<v Speaker 1>you may have heard of Samsung, and of course you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard of Apple and Qualcomm, all of these companies and

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<v Speaker 1>of course Nvidia. All these companies are building their chips,

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<v Speaker 1>their processors on ARM based designs the architecture. So ARM

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<v Speaker 1>is really an intellectual property company, and you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>make their money off licensing and other intellectual property that

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<v Speaker 1>they've developed that other companies can use. And the more

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<v Speaker 1>companies that build their processors based on ARM, the better

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<v Speaker 1>ARM is going to do. And I just see that

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<v Speaker 1>there's good times ahead for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Planel Donald, finishing on an optimistic wrote, we thank you

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<v Speaker 3>of Forrester Research. Zoom, of course, the video conferencing company

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<v Speaker 3>we all know, reported second quarter results on boosted the

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<v Speaker 3>outlook with a move beyond video calls of course about

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<v Speaker 3>phones and the like, but let'stick into the future visibility

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<v Speaker 3>of strength for this business. Kelly Steckelberg, Zoom CFO, joins

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<v Speaker 3>US now and it's interesting we saw some excitement around

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers being posted after the bell yesterday and then

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<v Speaker 3>reality hits a little bit today amid a macro picture

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<v Speaker 3>that is worrying. Can you give your investor base, our

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<v Speaker 3>audience just some visibility into the future growth story for

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<v Speaker 3>Zoom right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Sure?

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<v Speaker 8>So, we were really pleased with our q tube results.

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<v Speaker 8>As you said, we beat both our top line revenue

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<v Speaker 8>guidance as well as our profitability outlook, and we raise

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<v Speaker 8>those numbers for the full year of f y twenty four,

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<v Speaker 8>both top and bottom line guidance.

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<v Speaker 5>And what I.

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<v Speaker 8>Think people are looking for is long term growth which

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<v Speaker 8>will be driven from the expansion of our platform, new products.

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<v Speaker 8>Some of our newer products like Zoom Foam, which is

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<v Speaker 8>our cloud PBX solution. Also Zoom Contact Center, which is

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<v Speaker 8>only six quarters old and already has five hundred customers

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<v Speaker 8>on it, and that is our natively built, fully modern

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<v Speaker 8>cloud contact center. We have lots of other products across

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<v Speaker 8>our platform to like Zoom Scheduler, and all of this

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<v Speaker 8>brings together a platform that as those products into neue mature,

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<v Speaker 8>will drive growth. We're also looking for stabilization the overall

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<v Speaker 8>macro as you mentioned, both in the US and internationally,

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<v Speaker 8>which is really important for us for both segments of

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<v Speaker 8>our business. And as we work with our customers, as

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<v Speaker 8>some of them you have gone through reductions in their

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<v Speaker 8>own employe base, we help them transition that spend potentially

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<v Speaker 8>from meetings into some of our newer products.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Kelly, the Zoom story was really clear in

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<v Speaker 4>the fiscal second quarter earnings gone right, So top line

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<v Speaker 4>growth of ten percent overall, but sales to individuals and

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<v Speaker 4>small businesses down four point three percent. Okay, So in

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<v Speaker 4>other words, enterprise great, but the individual user every day

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<v Speaker 4>you and I falling away. How permanent is that dynamic

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<v Speaker 4>in that story for your company?

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<v Speaker 8>So the online segment of our business that you're referring

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<v Speaker 8>to is about forty percent of our business today, and

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<v Speaker 8>it is individuals like you and I that are using

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<v Speaker 8>their product, but it's also small businesses, which is really

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<v Speaker 8>important to remember. A lot of these customers buy online

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<v Speaker 8>and we are continuing to expand the opportunity by adding

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<v Speaker 8>more currencies in which we sell, adding more products to

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<v Speaker 8>the platform. So it's a very important part of our business,

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<v Speaker 8>and the team is consistently innovating around how do we

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<v Speaker 8>bring more products to them and how do we expand

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<v Speaker 8>the top of the funnel. We've seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>stabilization in the churn rate there. We're down to three

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<v Speaker 8>pandemic levels, which is really great. It's just going to

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<v Speaker 8>take a little longer than we expected to stabilize over time.

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<v Speaker 3>Though. What about the euphoria that everyone wants to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>that is AI.

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<v Speaker 5>How much are you trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Lean into that for you're an investor base that wants

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<v Speaker 3>to hear it, or how much are you trying to

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<v Speaker 3>be realistic about what it adds to your product portfolio.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so we think that AI is a really important

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<v Speaker 8>strategic part of our product portfolio going forwards. We just

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<v Speaker 8>hired xd Wong, for example, to lead that initiatives. We're

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<v Speaker 8>thrilled to have him as part of our team, and

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<v Speaker 8>Eric talked about it a little bit on the call yesterday.

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<v Speaker 8>We have individual skews today that al already leverage a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of AI. We have Zoom Virtual Agent, for example,

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<v Speaker 8>which is part of our contact center solution. But we

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<v Speaker 8>also will bring those benefits into the broader platform without

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<v Speaker 8>necessarily adding a lot of cost to our customer base.

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<v Speaker 8>We want them to get the benefit from it, and

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<v Speaker 8>we will talk more about additional features or products that

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<v Speaker 8>really leverage AI to the hilt when it comes out

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<v Speaker 8>in Zoomtope, which is our users conference in October.

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly, there was a pretty strong reaction to news that

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<v Speaker 4>Zoom was pushing its workforce back to the office. Many

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<v Speaker 4>saw that with a sense of irony. Right, given the

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<v Speaker 4>role that your technology played in the work from home era,

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<v Speaker 4>was that severe reaction justified. You might be surprised that

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<v Speaker 4>people were so surprised in their own mind that you

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<v Speaker 4>have made that move.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, we believe that a structured hybrid approach is best

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<v Speaker 8>for Zoom. We hear from our employees they want to

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<v Speaker 8>be together for collaboration. So by structuring days in the

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<v Speaker 8>office just two days in the office, by the way,

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<v Speaker 8>it ensures that when they come to the office, they're

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<v Speaker 8>going to see their colleagues, they're going to see their friends.

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<v Speaker 8>It also really helps drive innovation. We are the best

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<v Speaker 8>to leverage our products to ensure that we're meeting the

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<v Speaker 8>needs of our customers who are also in a hybrid environment.

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<v Speaker 8>And so by leveraging Zoom Rooms and new features like

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<v Speaker 8>Intelligent Director, we're able to ensure that we're being the

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<v Speaker 8>best possible products to market.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Kelly Steckelberg, Zoom ZFO. Thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 4>us so close after earnings Here Blue Technology coming up

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<v Speaker 4>on the show, Microsoft looks to push its Activision deal

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<v Speaker 4>over the finish line with a new proposal to the

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<v Speaker 4>uk CMA.

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna have those details next character and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is earning season. They can fast. I want to shine

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<v Speaker 3>a light on one that you might not automatically associate

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<v Speaker 3>with technology, but you should. May sees of course owner

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<v Speaker 3>a Bloomingdale's Blue Mercury, and of course the actual brand

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<v Speaker 3>mass itself having its worst days. It's March twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>The lowest it is January twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a macro play.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a worry about the consumer, about a build

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<v Speaker 3>up in delinquencies. But they are still focused very much

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<v Speaker 3>on technology and on AI. Let's just have a quick

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<v Speaker 3>look at how they're focusing on digital. This helped could

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<v Speaker 3>really trim some of their inventory. They're pulling back by

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<v Speaker 3>ten percent. They're still saying they've got more to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff Gonnette telling me on the phone, our aspirations in

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<v Speaker 3>digital are quite high and we want it to be

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<v Speaker 3>help than it is today. We do believe that in

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<v Speaker 3>the future digital can grow more aggressively when the balance

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<v Speaker 3>of the company. Of course, they're leaning into marketplace, which

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<v Speaker 3>where they offer far more products through their online offering.

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<v Speaker 3>They've also got a new chief for digital on this

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<v Speaker 3>particular announcement from New York from San Francisco, this is

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<v Speaker 3>Blomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Time for talking tech and first st up by Doo

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<v Speaker 4>reporting revenue that rose by the most in more than

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<v Speaker 4>a year. Sales jumped fifteen percent, which was a head

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<v Speaker 4>of expectation. China's search leader is joining its tech peers

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<v Speaker 4>in rediscovering growth as Beijing relaxes its grip on the

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<v Speaker 4>private sector.

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<v Speaker 6>And Microsoft got.

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<v Speaker 4>A new chance at winning approval from UK regulators after

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<v Speaker 4>the tech giants submitted a substantially different deal to the

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<v Speaker 4>country's antitrust watchdog for its sixty nine billion dollar takeover

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<v Speaker 4>of Activision Blizzard. The CMA will now owe and a

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<v Speaker 4>new deal probe after Microsoft said it would give Ubisoft

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<v Speaker 4>rights to distribute Activision games globally.

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<v Speaker 6>Carrect what a move.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get more on that story. Microsoft and Activision with

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<v Speaker 3>bloombags leaon Nylan and well, we were waiting to hear

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<v Speaker 3>how they were perhaps going to appease the regulators in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK.

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<v Speaker 5>And this won't take you by surprise.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, we had reported a little bit ago that they

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<v Speaker 9>were looking at this potential move.

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<v Speaker 6>So what they're going to do.

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<v Speaker 9>Is they are divesting globally the cloud gaming rights to ubersoft.

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<v Speaker 9>It'll be a non exclusive license in the EU, so

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<v Speaker 9>that Microsoft is still abiding by the commitments that it

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<v Speaker 9>made to European Commission any trust authorities. The CMA will

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<v Speaker 9>now do sort of a redo of the probe to

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<v Speaker 9>see if this resolves their concerns.

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<v Speaker 3>About cloud gaming.

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<v Speaker 9>The EU also said today that they may need to

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<v Speaker 9>look at it again just to make sure that it

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<v Speaker 9>still complies with all of the commitments Microsoft made to them.

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<v Speaker 4>We actually had an interview with the CMA chief, Sarah

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<v Speaker 4>card Or on Bloomberg Radio earlier. This for me was

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<v Speaker 4>the most tressing part of what she said. What we

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<v Speaker 4>see with this new deal, and we have to test

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<v Speaker 4>it carefully through our review, is that rather than Microsoft

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<v Speaker 4>being able to control how those cloud streaming rights to use,

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<v Speaker 4>that control will shift to an independent company. It's always

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<v Speaker 4>been a battleground for the cloud right lea. This is

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<v Speaker 4>what the CMA's bug bear has been.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, the CMA and the EU have been very focused

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<v Speaker 9>on the cloud because they think that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 9>next generation of gaming here, you know, right now, so

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<v Speaker 9>much of stuff relates to consoles, whether you have an

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<v Speaker 9>Xbox or a PlayStation. But in the future, people think

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<v Speaker 9>that you might just you know, connect to your TV

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<v Speaker 9>or your phone to play these games, sort of in

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<v Speaker 9>the same way that you know, we used to watch

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<v Speaker 9>DVDs and now everybody streams TVs and movies, and so

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<v Speaker 9>they've been very, very focused on the cloud and how

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<v Speaker 9>they were concerned that Microsoft would sort of dominate in

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<v Speaker 9>this industry and now by having them license these rights

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<v Speaker 9>to somebody else that might resolve some of their concerns.

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<v Speaker 9>They've been very clear that they still need to look

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<v Speaker 9>at it. This is still an ongoing process. They're not

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<v Speaker 9>definitely saying that they're going to accept it, but they'll

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<v Speaker 9>start reviewing it and they will be done before the

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<v Speaker 9>October eighteenth deadline, all.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Bloombos Lea Niel out of DC.

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<v Speaker 4>The cloud it really was such a preoccupation Caroline, for

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<v Speaker 4>both parties as well, because they tried so hard to

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<v Speaker 4>point out to all regulators that it's now right in

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<v Speaker 4>this moment teeny tiny, you know, and the whole point

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<v Speaker 4>of the deal originally anyway, was mobile. Microsoft wanted Activision.

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<v Speaker 4>We continue to chase this one. It's unbelievable, the drama

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<v Speaker 4>behind macropism Activision.

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<v Speaker 3>Wellcome back to Blue Meg Technology. I'm Caroline Hyde in

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<v Speaker 3>New York.

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<v Speaker 6>I Med Ludlow in San Francisco. It's going to quick

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<v Speaker 6>check on the markets.

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<v Speaker 4>Karen, Now's that one hundred actually a little bit softer,

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<v Speaker 4>down two tens to one percent. We're coming off the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest jump on that tech heavy index in Monday session

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<v Speaker 4>in more than three weeks. Tech had kind of turned

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<v Speaker 4>a corner, and now we're treading water a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Factors include, but are not admitted to what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>in earnings, what we're seeing ahead of earnings, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>Nvidia reports after the bell tomorrow, but also a few

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<v Speaker 4>jitters about the global economy. Jackson whole is this week.

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<v Speaker 4>My goodness, what a lot for investors to take on board.

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<v Speaker 4>There are two pieces of news out there that are

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<v Speaker 4>also particularly relevant to the fintech and crypto space. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>looking at a gin and coinbase agin. You'll remember we

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<v Speaker 4>covered in the show last week a record drop after

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<v Speaker 4>sales really pulled away, but kathe Woods Arc across two

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<v Speaker 4>ETFs has been buying both the Amsterdam listed shares and

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<v Speaker 4>some of the US listed shares as well, not doing

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<v Speaker 4>much to support anything. Today we're down two point eight

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<v Speaker 4>percent in the session. Coinbase also down one percent. It's

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<v Speaker 4>taken a stake in Circle saying in the filing that

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<v Speaker 4>it sees some MOMENTUMUS stable coins, but we don't have

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<v Speaker 4>any details of agreements. In the cell side are looking

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<v Speaker 4>at this and trying to make their mind up. But

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<v Speaker 4>that stock down two percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Carrot Let's taken with crypto for a moment because Moonpay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a leading web three infrastructure provider's taking a kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hands on interactive spotise to New York City's waterfront

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<v Speaker 3>seaport neighborhood. I just got a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>taste of what the experience would entail. Take a look

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<v Speaker 3>New York, New York.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's here? What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 10>Are they working?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they visiting?

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<v Speaker 5>Are they coming back for more information?

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<v Speaker 10>Many would love, particularly owners of buildings and attractions, Well,

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<v Speaker 10>could webs three.

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<v Speaker 2>Help with that?

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<v Speaker 10>That's what the South Street Seaport owner is banking on.

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<v Speaker 10>How Hughes is working with Moonpey to gamify its real estate.

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<v Speaker 10>The three months, there'll be a scavenger hunt where real

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<v Speaker 10>and digital worlds collide. Find the purple pearls, scan the codes,

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<v Speaker 10>and collect the cool New York City inspired digital tokens

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<v Speaker 10>or NFTs if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to use the crypto jargon.

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<v Speaker 10>If you're collecting up, you'll be entered in for wheel

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<v Speaker 10>life prizes think Hotels Days, concept ticket and they're like

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<v Speaker 10>experiences you can use or perhaps sell on the secondary

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<v Speaker 10>market thanks to the blockchain technology being used here. What

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<v Speaker 10>does Howard Hughes get in return if you opt in

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<v Speaker 10>and zip code and a great understanding of where you

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<v Speaker 10>come from, how you move through its seaport, and crucially

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<v Speaker 10>if you return.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's a case for crypto being used in the

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<v Speaker 3>wild with a purpose and application.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's see how well people adopt it.

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<v Speaker 3>I stick into it. We welcome Munpe's co founder CEO

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<v Speaker 3>of the program, Ivan Soto. Right, great to have you

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<v Speaker 3>with us.

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<v Speaker 6>Ivan, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is it, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>This is how web three, How crypto NFTs are applicable

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<v Speaker 3>in our everyday life and applicable to companies.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that the proof point that you need at the

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<v Speaker 5>moment in this mar market environment.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, for us at Moonpey, we're all about bringing

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<v Speaker 11>this technology mainstream, and for us, we have to leave

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<v Speaker 11>with the experience. The experience needs to be so simple,

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<v Speaker 11>so intuitive, so easy for people to understand.

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<v Speaker 6>In this case, it's really fun. It's a digital scavenger hunt.

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<v Speaker 11>You go to the seaport, You'll see these QR codes

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<v Speaker 11>all around the seaport. There's ten of them. It's actually

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<v Speaker 11>quite a challenging scavenger hunt. So I'm excited to see

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<v Speaker 11>how people get on with it once you scan one

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<v Speaker 11>of these things. What's really cool is behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 11>we're using our technology, so we're actually setting up a

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<v Speaker 11>wallet for each individual person. They're claiming one of these tokens,

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<v Speaker 11>and then they get that prize every week, and that

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<v Speaker 11>prize can be sold in the secondary market.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I used it.

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<v Speaker 3>I automatically had what it formed and it was very seamless.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested though that you're not at any point saying blockchain,

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<v Speaker 3>web three, crypto. It's very much just use the tech

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<v Speaker 3>and see what it's all about. How much you see

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<v Speaker 3>in companies wanting to use and adopt nftscrypto. In this environment,

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<v Speaker 3>how much you managing to scale a business?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, well, I think it's really analogous if you think

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<v Speaker 11>about the Internet, right, so we don't really talk about

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<v Speaker 11>the technical components of using social media or using the

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<v Speaker 11>applications that you use in every single day, every day life.

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<v Speaker 6>It's very similar for blockchain.

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<v Speaker 11>We need to get to a place where we remove

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<v Speaker 11>that jargon and we just really focus on the use cases.

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<v Speaker 11>For us, we really believe the future of the digital

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<v Speaker 11>economy will be powered by a number of these digital wallets.

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<v Speaker 11>Our core business at moon Pay is making it easy

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<v Speaker 11>for people to top up their digital wallets, and so

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<v Speaker 11>first we've got to get people their digital law to

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<v Speaker 11>begin with, and we think that's going to happen through

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<v Speaker 11>working with brands, working with enterprises. Here we're working at

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<v Speaker 11>the Howard Q's Corporation. This is an awesome initiative. We're

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<v Speaker 11>really excited. There are some companies out there that are

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<v Speaker 11>really forward looking around how to actually use technology and

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<v Speaker 11>think about the latest advancements, and so for us, there's

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<v Speaker 11>just a great use case, a really good case study.

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<v Speaker 11>We can't wait to show the data, the analytics around

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<v Speaker 11>all this for traffic coming in. How do we increase

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<v Speaker 11>that food traffic, How do we actually get more spinning behavior?

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<v Speaker 11>How can they justify their rents? So it'll be really exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>So there we have it, like in terms of real

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<v Speaker 3>estate wanting to justify their rents. We're also hearing more

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<v Speaker 3>and more kind of NFT's crypto. It's more becoming about

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<v Speaker 3>loyalty in some way for companies as well. That seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be some sort of proof point ed.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm not surprised to see you out there

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<v Speaker 4>in the real world engaging with the technology.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the space you know really well.

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<v Speaker 4>But to your point, Karen, what you were just outlining, Ivan,

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<v Speaker 4>how much is this about education? Actually for the majority

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<v Speaker 4>of the public out there, they're not competent in the area,

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<v Speaker 4>all familiar, and they just need some basic help in

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<v Speaker 4>understanding use cases why they should.

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<v Speaker 6>Be using it.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean, I think it'll always starts with education.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that's probably the most important thing that we

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<v Speaker 11>think about. And how do we have that education in

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<v Speaker 11>a way that's delivered in a really actually fun way

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<v Speaker 11>where we're not actually opening up a textbook and learning

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<v Speaker 11>about blockchain technology, we're actually out there in the wild,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, scanning a QR code, but actually, wow, I'm

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<v Speaker 11>getting this reward. And actually, when we think about loyalty

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<v Speaker 11>and rewards, one of the biggest problems that we've had

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<v Speaker 11>is actually engagement with loyalteam award programs. A lot of

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<v Speaker 11>companies have struggled to have people actually use loyal team awards,

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<v Speaker 11>and so in this case, I think the secondary market

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.959
<v Speaker 11>component of a blockchain is really powerful. Anyone with an

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<v Speaker 11>open Internet connection. Let's say you win the prize tickets

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<v Speaker 11>to the concert. Let's say you're not going to be

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<v Speaker 11>in the seaport for a couple of weeks, you're not

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<v Speaker 11>going to be able to go to that concert. You

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<v Speaker 11>can actually list them on a platform like open See

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<v Speaker 11>on the open Internet, and anyone can go and purchase them.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've operated an NFT checkout since twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 4>How is the market for NFTs right now? I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like when Caroline and I discussed that market on the

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<v Speaker 4>show of Late it's because values have come down in

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<v Speaker 4>a shocking way, you know, justin Bieber is the example

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<v Speaker 4>that we've inboard Eate, which we constantly bring up on

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<v Speaker 4>this show.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean from our perspective. We take a very

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<v Speaker 6>long term view.

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<v Speaker 11>Right, this is a nasonassa class, and when I think

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<v Speaker 11>about NFTs, they're more than just collectibles. There are new

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<v Speaker 11>file format there are file formats to things that live

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<v Speaker 11>natively on the blockchain. And so really, when we think

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<v Speaker 11>about Moonpe, we're an infrastructure business. We want to be

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<v Speaker 11>behind the scenes. We want to enable as much activity.

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<v Speaker 11>When you look at the developers that have come into

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<v Speaker 11>the space, we're actually up to ninety percent of developer

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<v Speaker 11>activity since twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting that you mentioned developers. What about talent more broadly?

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<v Speaker 3>Ivan at the moment, are you actively hiring? We've understood

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<v Speaker 3>at one point that maybe people were leaving the company.

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<v Speaker 3>Was that because it was time that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>have new opportunities where you're having to let.

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<v Speaker 5>Go of people.

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<v Speaker 11>So at Mompei, we operate with an operating principle of

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<v Speaker 11>called Kaizen, which means change for the better in Japanese,

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<v Speaker 11>and so we're continuously looking at our company making sure

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<v Speaker 11>that we have the best people in every single seat.

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<v Speaker 11>So we've actually remained flat as an organization. We've had

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<v Speaker 11>people leave, we've had people come in, but you know,

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<v Speaker 11>we're consistently building here for the long term. We really

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<v Speaker 11>believe we are a player here to stay of the

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<v Speaker 11>long term.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you need more money?

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<v Speaker 3>We just mentioned Justin Bieber as a pin up of

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<v Speaker 3>who's lost money on NFTs. He's also a man who

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<v Speaker 3>invested in you back in the day. Are you looking

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<v Speaker 3>at raising more funds?

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<v Speaker 11>No, We're in a really good financial position.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>We're going to continue to just continue to build and

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<v Speaker 11>just continue to focus. We've actually managed to outperform the

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<v Speaker 11>market by over thirty percent this year, even the market

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<v Speaker 11>being down fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 6>So for us, that's really our benchmark.

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<v Speaker 11>We compare ourselves against the market, and we're taking a

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<v Speaker 11>long term view that this market will grow.

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<v Speaker 4>I've a moon Paced partnership with Binance US, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the American affiliate of Binance in the US. There are

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<v Speaker 4>banks that have walked away from Binance US. They don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to do business with them. Why are you doing

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<v Speaker 4>a partnership there?

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<v Speaker 11>So we work with a range of partners Finance US.

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<v Speaker 11>They have a infrastructure around wallets, right, so we can

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 11>make it easy for them to top up their wallets.

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<v Speaker 11>Moonpay we obviously perform KYC. We follow all the regulatory

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<v Speaker 11>rules across every single jurisdiction which we operate, and so

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 11>we can make it easy for people to top up

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<v Speaker 11>their wallets. But we have a number of different partners

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<v Speaker 11>including finance.

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<v Speaker 3>US banking partners, and more broadly just the environment. How

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<v Speaker 3>is the regulatory environment to operate in the US At

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, you're feeling like you're supported? Are you feeling like, gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>shall we make sure that we're looking abroad to beefar

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<v Speaker 3>par our presence a little bit more so Moonpay.

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<v Speaker 11>We're international business. We operate one hundred and sixty countries.

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<v Speaker 11>United States obviously a very important jurisdiction for US. We

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<v Speaker 11>operate here, we have money transmitters and the majority of

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<v Speaker 11>the United States for US. We're continuing to work for

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<v Speaker 11>actively with regulators. That's an incredibly important part of our business.

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<v Speaker 11>We want to make sure that we can comply. I

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<v Speaker 11>think we're going to a place where we're trying to

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<v Speaker 11>get clarity over how to define these different assets. They're

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<v Speaker 11>going to be commodities, so they're going to be securities.

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<v Speaker 11>How do we get them into these respective buckets? And

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<v Speaker 11>I think hopefully do the You've probably seen the upcoming

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<v Speaker 11>rulings that are coming in place. You know, obviously we

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<v Speaker 11>have jurisdiction between the different regulators trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 11>who should have jurisdiction over these digital assets. I think

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<v Speaker 11>we will get to a conclusion hopefully within the next year.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I've been so to write co founder and

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<v Speaker 4>see of Moonpay and also Carrow on the road to

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<v Speaker 4>test your tech in real time.

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<v Speaker 6>Really appreciate that one. Thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Now coming up here on Bloomberg Technology, we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss the state of the venture capital industry with John Kayden,

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<v Speaker 4>founder and managing partner of Torch Capital.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 5>Technology time now for VC roundup and first up. Venture

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<v Speaker 5>capital activity here in Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>Staged a rebound in the second quarter, ned by an

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<v Speaker 3>artificial intelligence company in Toronto in particular that drew out

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<v Speaker 3>money from Nvidia, plus Turkish startup get It.

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<v Speaker 5>Will come more than ten percent of its global workforce.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a rapid delivery service struggles with losses in more

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<v Speaker 3>markets in which it operates. Meanwhile, also Global Africa's largest startup,

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<v Speaker 3>that's flutter Wave, is pressing ahead with plans for initial

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<v Speaker 3>public offering after making headway and resolving allegations of financial

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>improprietary in Kenya so that it can access more and

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>bigger international partners. That's all, according to the CEO.

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<v Speaker 4>ED those are your VC and startup headlines for more

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<v Speaker 4>on the state Evnch Capital specifically looking at consumer tech,

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to bring in John Keaden, founder and managing

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 4>partner of Torch Capital, a leading consumer VC firm. The

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<v Speaker 4>big news of the day John is ARM filing for

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<v Speaker 4>its IPO, And while I won't ask you about ARMS specifically,

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<v Speaker 4>I just wonder how much of a starting gun this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be for the tech IPO market broadly.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, we hope with There have been a few successful

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<v Speaker 12>IPOs recently, and I think it's slowly starting to open

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<v Speaker 12>back up. That said, I'm not convinced yet that this

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 12>is the start of the rush. I think these are

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.719
<v Speaker 12>trickles and we'll see how things how things move. I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>I think the economy is still very uneven. I think

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<v Speaker 12>investors are still very and even both on the retail

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<v Speaker 12>side and within the private side. So fingers crossed that

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<v Speaker 12>it goes well and that will encourage more IPOs. But

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<v Speaker 12>I still think it's a obia volatile time for tech

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<v Speaker 12>for the short medium term, and of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course arm itself very much be to B John, You've

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<v Speaker 3>got a lot of expertise in the B two C space.

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<v Speaker 3>And interesting, I'm speaking with the CEO Macy's just a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit earlier, how much concern there is lack of

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<v Speaker 3>clarity on a consumer in the US right now? How

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<v Speaker 3>are your consumer tech enabled businesses doing in this environment?

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<v Speaker 6>So I think you have to divide them.

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<v Speaker 12>We saw obviously a lot of froth around sort of

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<v Speaker 12>traditional consumer tech companies using tech enablement. They went public,

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<v Speaker 12>they got hammered, They weren't really probably public ready companies,

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<v Speaker 12>even though they were funded like they were. I think

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<v Speaker 12>real consumer tech is still always a massive opportunity because

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<v Speaker 12>tech is constantly changing consumer behavior. I think we see

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<v Speaker 12>that in AI. I mean, look at the explosion of

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<v Speaker 12>usage of the average everyday consumer with chatch EPT and

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<v Speaker 12>open AI and bard and so on, and I think

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<v Speaker 12>we're at the very beginning of that. And that's what's

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<v Speaker 12>really exciting about investing in consumer tech because tech is

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<v Speaker 12>always changing, consumer behavior is always evolving, creating new opportunities

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<v Speaker 12>in new markets. You know, for example, sorry, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 12>well it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting I was speaking of course with other keyvcs in

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<v Speaker 3>this space, some who know an awful lot around the

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<v Speaker 3>consumer as well. And when we're talking to companies around

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<v Speaker 3>AI that before that there's froth at the moment in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>and valuations have got too heady.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you feeling the same at the moment?

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely agree with that. If we look back in history,

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<v Speaker 12>you know, Google wasn't the first search engine, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 12>the second search engine. It was like the tenth, eleventh,

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<v Speaker 12>or twelfth. And we are at the very very beginning

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<v Speaker 12>of the first inning with AI, and so trying to

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<v Speaker 12>anoint winners and king makers is very challenging because we

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<v Speaker 12>have no idea those will be the companies that get

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<v Speaker 12>it right in the next three, five, ten years of

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<v Speaker 12>where consumers are truly using it and what the commercialization is.

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<v Speaker 12>So there are a lot of baby AI companies that

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<v Speaker 12>are getting enormous valuations, and I think in the last

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<v Speaker 12>year and a half overall in tech valuations have been

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<v Speaker 12>deeply compressed, but where they're inflated is around AI, and

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<v Speaker 12>so there's just a lot more uncertainty, and I think

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<v Speaker 12>VC funds are going after them like they're sure things,

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<v Speaker 12>which they're not. We're still very early, very exciting revolutionary opportunity,

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<v Speaker 12>but we're early to pick the winners.

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<v Speaker 4>John Towards Capital was in the headlines earlier this year

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<v Speaker 4>the Information reported you'd raise about two hundred million for

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<v Speaker 4>a second fund. What's the status of that fund. We've

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<v Speaker 4>been shopping yet with any of the funds raised.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I think you know, last year we did very

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<v Speaker 12>few deals. I mean, Torch, We've part of our thesis

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<v Speaker 12>and how we operate is to be very focused and disciplined,

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<v Speaker 12>which I think we did pretty well over the last

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<v Speaker 12>two years in the froth around the whole tech arena.

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<v Speaker 12>But right now we are seeing valuations come down, especially

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<v Speaker 12>in early stage. We're seeing a lot of very smart

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<v Speaker 12>focus founders. This is not a fun time to start

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<v Speaker 12>and build a company and try to raise funds for that,

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<v Speaker 12>and so you're seeing very determined founders or experienced founders.

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<v Speaker 12>And with valuations down, we're seeing and technology again changing,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 12>We're seeing a lot of interesting opportunities. For example, one

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 12>of our portfolio companies called Durable. One of an area

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<v Speaker 12>that we're investing a lot behind is the rise of

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<v Speaker 12>the solopreneur and small small business owners. It is the

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<v Speaker 12>fastest growing part at the US economy, and they actually

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<v Speaker 12>use AI, but they're basically helping founders get from zero

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<v Speaker 12>to one to start a business. And part of that

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<v Speaker 12>is their website. And they can build a website in

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<v Speaker 12>under thirty seconds that's customized and it can take payments

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<v Speaker 12>and really get a business up and running. And in

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<v Speaker 12>their first six months they've built four million websites and

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<v Speaker 12>helped four million businesses get off the ground. And so

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<v Speaker 12>we're seeing starting to see flashes of where the next

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<v Speaker 12>generation of companies are going to come from. And so

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<v Speaker 12>we've actually done three times as amount of deals that

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<v Speaker 12>we did last year already in the first half of

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<v Speaker 12>this year.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're very active in the space.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, at Day's point we've been talking a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about on the show, is that in the first half

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<v Speaker 4>of this year, fifty percent or more of all of

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<v Speaker 4>the VC dollars going to an AI startup went to

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<v Speaker 4>one in San Francisco. He talked about where the next

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<v Speaker 4>generation in the world you operate is coming from. Is

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<v Speaker 4>there any clear geographical divide and where you're investing and

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<v Speaker 4>where new companies are being started.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it's free the question. Differently, I think it's

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<v Speaker 12>all over. I think this company's basically Vancouver. We actually

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 12>invest in another very exciting company Vancouver. We're seeing companies

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 12>all over the country. It's not completely focused on San

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 12>Francisco and New York. And I think between COVID and

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 12>the ability to get talent and the commonality of remote work,

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 12>amazing startups to be built all over the country, which

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<v Speaker 12>I think is very exciting. And also there's not just

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<v Speaker 12>a pure concentration as there used to be, so we're

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 12>looking everywhere and we're very excited about a number of regions.

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<v Speaker 3>And John just to bring this sort of full circle,

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<v Speaker 3>we started by discussing ARM and whether the IPO pipeline

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<v Speaker 3>might be able to well start to flesh out a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But X is more broadly, are they just on icy

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<v Speaker 3>and you're seeing that big companies are willing to start

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<v Speaker 3>to make a bit of M and A as an

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<v Speaker 3>exit choice.

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<v Speaker 6>They're on ice.

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<v Speaker 12>I think there has been a valuation you set. We

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<v Speaker 12>are not near the bottom. I think growth companies and

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 12>pre companies are much better at cutting costs and extending runway,

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<v Speaker 12>so they haven't really hit the open market with new raises.

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<v Speaker 12>We've seen some like Stripe and some others some of

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<v Speaker 12>the biggest ones, but the true reach that hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 12>And I think both growth funds and M and A

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<v Speaker 12>strategics are all just sort of waiting on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 12>and saying not until we know we're hitting the bottom

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<v Speaker 12>or are we going to start deploying capital. So I

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<v Speaker 12>think we have a little bit to ways to wait.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it'll be toward the end of this year

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<v Speaker 12>and early next year that we'll see true where true

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<v Speaker 12>valuations sit, and then I think M and A is

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<v Speaker 12>going to be explosive. It may not always be pretty

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<v Speaker 12>for some of the valuations we saw in twenty one,

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<v Speaker 12>but I think it's it's going to be a minute

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<v Speaker 12>before we see a full fledged M and A back

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<v Speaker 12>to market.

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<v Speaker 3>We keep on waiting, John Kine, great tow has some

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<v Speaker 3>time when you and tortch capital wait.

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Time today. Look at what the internet is talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's going viral letsco to Braun, the manager to

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<v Speaker 3>music superstars, think Justin bieber Well, he's losing two key

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 3>clients Ariana Grande, Demi Levado and Umyo Braun from Pretty

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 3>famously embroiled in that feud with Taylor Swift when he purchased,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the master recordings of her first six studio

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 3>album Zed that prompted her to go and re record them.

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<v Speaker 3>Spot them being used in ads, basically stot the money

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<v Speaker 3>flowing to the entity that he had purchased it with.

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<v Speaker 5>He's then since sold that entity.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, he's made disposals to South Korean companies in particular.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is fascinating that many are now trying to

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<v Speaker 3>wonder as to whether there's love lost here. Apparently Demi Levato.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually they're still good friends, according to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 6>It's what people are talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>But interesting that story just outlined could be one of

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<v Speaker 4>the headlines potentially scrubbed from X That's right. According to reports,

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<v Speaker 4>the social media platform previously known as Twitter is planning

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<v Speaker 4>to remove headlines from news articles and other texts that

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<v Speaker 4>shared on the platform. Bloomberg's ash accounts joins me on set.

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<v Speaker 6>Explain it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's exactly what you said, right.

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<v Speaker 13>If you post an article, the headline's not going to

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<v Speaker 13>be there, so it's just going to be an image

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<v Speaker 13>and then you'll have to, you know, whatever you want

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 13>to post around it. But it's kind of a weird thing, right,

0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 13>Like there's going to be no headlines, no descriptions, just

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<v Speaker 13>an image.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought this was supposed to be the global town

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<v Speaker 4>square where people are free to share what they want.

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<v Speaker 13>I guess you can as long as it fits within

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<v Speaker 13>the rules of X right, right within the rules and

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<v Speaker 13>sort of the boundaries there.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it's interesting change.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it'll make things look.

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<v Speaker 13>Very kind of like tiktoki, I guess, very visual, or

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<v Speaker 13>like an Instagram. Whether it's good or bad, I think

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<v Speaker 13>that we'll have to see.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is all about bringing eyeballs, right. It feels

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<v Speaker 3>that all of these changes that perhaps seem odd to

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 3>the lay consumer, it's all about trying to jup us

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<v Speaker 3>to go back in there and use it more.

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<v Speaker 13>It's all about engagement, right if you think about people

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<v Speaker 13>like pictures, and so Musk has been pretty vocal about

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<v Speaker 13>wanting to do pictures and videos and sort of move

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<v Speaker 13>that way. But the challenges that you lose a lot

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 13>of context, right. You imagine, like an image, you don't

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<v Speaker 13>know if it's an article, you don't know if someone

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<v Speaker 13>just hosting a picture, and so you lose a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of information there. And I think that's what's challenging. I

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 13>think that's why people are sort of struggling with this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>And we wonder again how the advertisers are going to

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<v Speaker 3>react to all of this. I'm sure lots of calls

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<v Speaker 3>still coming. Linda yacroniz direction. We thank you, Asha Counts,

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 3>great breakdown and fat ed You're back. We're back together.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's for this edition of Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, massive week.

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