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Speaker 1: Ojo crack o Joe.

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Speaker 2: But first, your door final final preseason game. He was

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Speaker 2: three or six fourteen yards forty one yards lost on

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Speaker 2: five sacks. I know you watched this game as I did.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear what you have to say first.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, listen, George Sanders didn't play bad?

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Speaker 3: Chat those that follow me on Twitter? Ye happy that

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Speaker 3: is he did? He didn't. He didn't play well. He

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Speaker 3: didn't play well. He played bad.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he stunk it up. But let me let me

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Speaker 3: let me clarify why.

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Speaker 1: Officer him insight.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you a little insight. So he comes

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Speaker 3: in in the third quarter, at my correct uncle, the

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Speaker 3: third quarter? About then, okay, boom. So the players that

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Speaker 3: are playing in the third quarter, excuse me if I'm

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Speaker 3: excuse me, if I'm wrong, You can do your homework.

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Speaker 3: Will those players make the fifty three man roster?

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Speaker 2: On?

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Speaker 1: A lot of them?

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Speaker 3: Will not make most of them exactly. So again, I'm

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Speaker 3: off a quarterback competition, but if you're gonna put him

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Speaker 3: in a situation that is not advantageous to him and

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Speaker 3: competing at a high level, boom, Let's give him a chance.

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Speaker 3: Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You

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Speaker 3: know you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well.

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Speaker 3: So what do we do? Why not just play the

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Speaker 3: short game so we can get the ball out of

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Speaker 3: his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense.

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Speaker 3: Purposely running players that are ten twelve, fifteen yard routes

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Speaker 3: knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going

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Speaker 3: to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear.

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Speaker 3: I played football for a very long time. I played

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Speaker 3: to be on the squad and not going to make

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Speaker 3: the team, give your quarterback a chance. Okay, you know what,

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Speaker 3: you know they can't hold up that long. Let's play

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Speaker 3: quick game. Let's play quick game just to getst your

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Speaker 3: door in a goddamn rhythm. But no, you come out

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Speaker 3: calling regular office and plays that are very long. Damn

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Speaker 3: their play action, Damn their play action. If he was

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Speaker 3: under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good,

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Speaker 3: Has to be better in understanding that the office line

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Speaker 3: that you're working with right now is not adequate. Get

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Speaker 3: the ball out your hands, get the ball out of hand.

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Speaker 3: But he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding

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Speaker 3: sure what game you guys are watching again, I stayed

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Speaker 3: sure did play bad. He did, But why he played

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Speaker 3: seen anything like that before. What are we doing? What

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Speaker 3: sure what you were waiting to. Look, Snoop was on

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Speaker 3: Who makes that call? He makes that call?

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Speaker 3: So there's a bad taste in those mouths. So now

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you why you play bad. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Agree with everything you said. He did play bad, and

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Speaker 2: you and I we come out here and we're on.

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Speaker 2: We talked four or five nights a week, sometimes six

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Speaker 2: it is. Schador did not play well today. He played awful.

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Speaker 2: Everything that you said is true, Shadour. You know this

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Speaker 2: But what happened is is that they didn't give him

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Speaker 2: So you're expecting me to win a modern game, and

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Speaker 2: you're giving me old time. That won't work. So Shador

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Speaker 2: out of his hands. Oh Joe, he has some time.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, coach, Hey, that ain't my game. That's Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have that ability, that escapability like these other

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two minute

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Speaker 2: unless he's gonna be one of the four quarterbacks that's

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Speaker 1: You give that to shador.

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Speaker 2: I agree with what you said because you said, look,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted to sknew you know

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Speaker 2: we're gonna probably we're gonna end up releasing him, and

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Speaker 1: Hell, he started a pre a postseason game.

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Speaker 2: So this notion that you doing him some type of

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just just disingenuous.

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Speaker 2: With all that being said, I agree, the offensive line

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Speaker 2: run around and lose five, don't lose ten. He got

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Speaker 1: But I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't get what they did, why they did it.

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Speaker 2: Of us are in our team's respective Ring of Thames.

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Speaker 2: Some things we just can't answer because we are not in.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski says, we don't here it is, O Joe,

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Speaker 2: here's Kevin Stefanski not letting you do a run the

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Speaker 3: Did you shouldn't have something along with them after the game?

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Speaker 3: Kind of training to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 3: Walked up to you after taking just walked down to

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Speaker 1: Back up to you on the sidelines before before Snoop

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Speaker 3: You shook your head. I mean, is he trying to

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Speaker 4: but I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

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Speaker 3: Look at what they're doing. You know what they're doing. Listen,

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Speaker 3: For those in the chat, I listen, I'm not taking

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Speaker 3: I reiterated shador standers played bad based on the circumstances

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Speaker 2: The play was not adequate. Enough, and your door has

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Speaker 2: He holds onto the ball too long. You're not going

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Speaker 1: Do not make a bad play worse, O joe.

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Speaker 2: If you, the worst thing you could do, O Joe,

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Speaker 2: We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the

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Speaker 2: We need to stop asking these questions. When are we

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Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of oxygen being taken up out

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Speaker 2: We don't really see that as a problem. We more

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Speaker 2: My thing is why you're keeping four quarterbacks when clearly

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Speaker 3: I know, I know Andrew Berry and mister Hassim, I

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Speaker 1: It's not like their sentimentality. Sometimes, Ojo.

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Speaker 2: We hold on the things that have sentimental value tow

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Speaker 2: But but when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no

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Speaker 2: And you would think after what he did in the

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you what normally happens. When a guy, if

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Speaker 2: Hey, at the time, I was eighty one sharp, cool

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Speaker 2: We come into the game and practice. O. Joe like, Greasy,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be this. Hook it up, fifteen yards, hook

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Speaker 1: He's all. He was always like that in my ear.

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Speaker 2: So it gave me confidence that that damn this man,

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Speaker 2: But once I played good in the game with him, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Two's, let's see if he can do that again. Maybe

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Speaker 3: That boy looked good. He looked good. Yeah, Gabel came in,

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Speaker 3: he sucked, he's the fifth rounder. He's not that good. Well,

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00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: of course, yes, based on what you saw today. But

437
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: I'm we're trying to tell you why it looked that way.

438
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. It is what it is.

439
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: They made the decision. They have to lie in the

440
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: bed with it, so listen. I'm I'm happy for him.

441
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: This is why I watched the game with no sound.

442
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 2: I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I

443
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 2: regurgitate what somebody else saying. Also the reason why I

444
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: watch fans are only interested in the result. I'm trying

445
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: to figure out why we got said result. It's not

446
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 2: good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to

447
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 2: know why. Let me see the formation, let me see

448
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: what the guy did, Let me see the defensive coverage.

449
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: Was it just a great route?

450
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: Did he just beat Sometimes O, Joe, you just beat

451
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: the guy, and that's okay.

452
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: You get paid. He gets paid.

453
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes Ocho just gonna win because Ocho was just a

454
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: better player. Sometimes the defensive back is gonna win. He wins.

455
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: Some you win more than he than you lose. Sometimes

456
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 2: who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he

457
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: getting greedy paying attention to the tight end on the

458
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: over when he should have been deep middle?

459
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: Was what did the corner? Why did he did he not?

460
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 2: Did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink?

461
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: Why was he still so far? Why was he so

462
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat. I'm

463
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: analyzing all of that. It's just not good enough for

464
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see

465
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 2: why they scored, and then I'm gonna tell you, based

466
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: on my experience, having played the game, having studied the game,

467
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: this is what I think happened.

468
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: So Ocho and I what we're trying to do.

469
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 2: We're not making excuses for Shador, sh Door has to

470
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

471
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: Hey, I was so confused to night too on. Let

472
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: me let me take something. I really, I really do this.

473
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: And I watched the game for a long time, so

474
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on

475
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing, and maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell,

476
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: I picked up the phone. I called TJ. I call

477
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: who I called? Who'shuh? And I'm like, who'sh Am I tripping?

478
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: Or did I see what I thought I just saw

479
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: when twelve winning the game? He's like, yeah, yeah, you

480
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: could tell that was about your you know what you

481
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: know TJ. TJ don't care. He just he just go off.

482
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 3: He went off off the rock on the phone. Yeah,

483
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: why would you put him in that situation? I said, Okay,

484
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 3: I just want to if I heard it from you,

485
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: and I know how you and you know how t TJ.

486
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: He gonna tell it like it is. You know, he

487
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: don't care, mm And okay, I just want to make

488
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: sure I won't tripping. I just want to make sure.

489
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: I went from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game.

490
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: The receiver position that also knows the game extremely well

491
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: all the intimacies that come with it. Okay, boom, I

492
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: know I wasn't tripping.

493
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: Oh Joe.

494
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's

495
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 2: tight end.

496
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected?

497
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you can't do that. You got to

498
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know,

499
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: the tight end. You know, they was locked up a

500
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: little bit. He was probably trying to rough hide him

501
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: a little bit. But you have to be able to

502
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: control yourself. You got to be able to control your

503
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: emotions there, especially in moments like that, especially in the game,

504
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: especially in the game, so you know, you have no

505
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: choice if you throw a punch, if anything, If you

506
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: if your arm extends and it touches the other individual,

507
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: you're going out the game every time.

508
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, he in the open field. That's not like

509
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 2: an offensive defensive lineman on show you in the file

510
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: and can't nobody to see you tried to hit the

511
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: guy here right.

512
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: The back judge of the side, Joe, that's where he

513
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: was standing.

514
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: Right now there right there. You know, sometimes you got

515
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: players that are provoke you sometimes Yes, they're gonna see

516
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 3: the person that that swings last. I never see who initiated,

517
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 3: but they gonna always see the person who swings last.

518
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Gotta be able to.

519
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: I ain't tried. I ain't try to get you back

520
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: in front of the ref. I'm gonna try to get

521
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: you back when you ain't thinking about it, because he

522
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: if I do something, then you brace it. You all

523
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna do is turn to the reff. You see Rep.

524
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: He did the age Starry Hey, reef you see what

525
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: Andy Foe did? You see what he did? Don't worry

526
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: about it. I'm gonna get you back. It's gonna look

527
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: like a place. I'm gonna get your half back.

528
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna get your teammate somebody.

529
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: Somebody gonna get it.

530
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: Somebody gonna get you. Got that got your color uniform on.

531
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's

532
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: your teammate. Hey, y'all know how it is that word. Hey,

533
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you with somebody that's related to you. Yeah,

534
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: but I agree with you. O. Joe Sharlo no better,

535
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Charloh knows he can't do a situation like that. Bro,

536
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: you can't hurt that he got on He got on

537
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: a helmet. So let's just say, for the sake about it,

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: you hit it. Okay, you hit him in the head.

539
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh what happened? You break your hand? You gonna get

540
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: a penalty in this situation, you got tossed. Now, even

541
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: if you do rate the wrong, you do know when

542
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: you get thrown out a game on Joe, you know

543
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: that's like twenty twenty thirty thousand dollars.

544
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: So let's just say, for the sake of argument.

545
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, how much is an ejection in the

546
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: football game?

547
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: It like twenty five thirty thousands?

548
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: Not that much? The hell you say, my goddamn celebrations

549
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: with twenty five thirty thousand. I know they ain't.

550
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: But you stayed in the game. You your celebration. They

551
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: called you to get tossed out of a game. Yeah,

552
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm kidd How much is an injection.

553
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: Especially your first time offense to they gonna take They're

554
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: gonna take all that into account.

555
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Actually, like thirty two thousands, they're.

556
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: Gonn they gonna they're gonna let him appeel that, they

557
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: gonna let him feel that. They'll let your whole time

558
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: offense to they're gonna be like who you appeal to you?

559
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: So let me ask your question.

560
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: Is Ranks still Mrt Hanks? No?

561
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: I think I think it's Brooks, Derek Brooks, James Thrash

562
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: and John running So Brooks and thrash and then running.

563
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: Old crash James thrash. Oh God, damn James Thrash. What hey, wait,

564
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: Derek Brooks about.

565
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: He threw a punch? Yeah, forty for five day o Joe, Hey.

566
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: Hold on, you said, Derek Brooks, you said about double nickel. Yeah, okay,

567
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Man. They gonna take him. They're

568
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: gonna take Cam.

569
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, brutally trashed it very friendly.

570
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: But some things, yeah, I know, uh yeah. Physical contact

571
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: with an official's forty thousand. A second offense is eighty

572
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: one thousand. Verbal or non physical offense with against official.

573
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: So if you curse in or something, that's thirty two thousand,

574
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: next one who fighting forty thousand for the first defense

575
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: forty thousand, six hundred and eighty six dollars A second

576
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: offense is eighty one thousand. So unsports when like conduct,

577
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: I don't you know what? Maybe they label label it

578
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: unsports like conduct? Okaybec but what what did they call

579
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: it during the game? What did they say during the game?

580
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Because that if you throw a ball into the stands,

581
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: that's eighty one hundred dollars. O, yo, what you.

582
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: Play uniform ball in the stand still?

583
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: I know I ain't throw one chin strapped, show the

584
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: past thive knee pass.

585
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: That's fifty seven. That's fifty eight.

586
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars unapproved visor of tent, lack of brand marks,

587
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred personal messages about eleven five.

588
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Damn gang signs.

589
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Ooh, gang side, don't do that, don't do that.

590
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: That's all I got for yoyo.

591
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: Hey what hey, that's that's a gang sign too.

592
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Hey that's all I got. That's all I got for you.

593
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: But I just say, the look, the emotions got the

594
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: best of him. You know, you're fighting for a roster spot.

595
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what, like A said, I don't know

596
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: what happened. I just you know, saw the steel shots

597
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: of it, like so, I don't know if.

598
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 5: He did this or he did that, and blocking him

599
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: all the way down the field, it's like, yeah, he

600
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: you know, obviously tight end came off, got up on

601
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: the safety and they just trying to drive him back,

602
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: driving back, and I'm assuming.

603
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: He tried to dump it. He tried to Yeah, he

604
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: tried to dub it.

605
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: That's all a little rough house.

606
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: And uh we find out what they what they call

607
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: it in the game. And you know, you just got

608
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: to be smart a situation like that because you are

609
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: fighting for a position. Uh, you don't want to do

610
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: anything that cost you position. But you know, hey, I

611
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: trust me. Sometime with emotion as high, logic as low,

612
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: we've all done things that like we look back at

613
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: it like, but man, why.

614
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: The hell I do that? Why?

615
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: And your door probably like as he's walking to the

616
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: on like, everybody gets your door shallow. Everybody's gonna get God.

617
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: If you play long enough, somebody gonna get you with

618
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: a block. Somebody gonna gonna pancake you, somebody gonna route

619
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: your ass up. You gonna get God. It's like being

620
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: in the NBA. You gonna get dunked on. You play

621
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: long enough, you'll get dunkeed on. I don't care, excuse me,

622
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are. You going to get God.

623
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Offensive line is gonna get beat, he gonna get run over.

624
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: Defensive line is gonna get blocked. He gonna get pancake quarterback,

625
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna get hit. All that's going to happen because it's

626
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: the game of football. And those guys are really good

627
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: that you're going against. They're really good. I know you're

628
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: really good also, but they're really good. If somebody that's

629
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: really good can make somebody else that really that's really

630
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: good look bad. I don't think people realize. People just

631
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: think that, oh, he's such a sor she's supposed to

632
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: win all the time. No, hell you not. No, even

633
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: bad Bonds. He didn't strike out off him, but he

634
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: did strike out. Tony Gwyn didn't strike out off him,

635
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: but he did strike out. He did get nobody hit

636
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: five hundred, hit six seven hundred, so obviously, but you know,

637
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: I ain't really never got that mad on you, not

638
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: the game. I mean, somebody, have somebody done some dirty stuff, yeah,

639
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: and I got their heads back.

640
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to think whatever. Only time I

641
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: was about to fire when I was finna beat raised ass.

642
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: That's it.

643
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: You heard me.

644
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: You're gonna beat raided for the mouth and the beat

645
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: raid all up and down M and T Bank Stadium.

646
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 3: He Lucky ed Red grabbed me, Broy I was feeling

647
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: good that day too. Oh you feel I was feeling good.

648
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: I was feeling good. He ain't even know. Ray ain't

649
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: even know like he hit me, right, okay, okay, go ahead,

650
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: what'd you hit me? I went for the slant. It

651
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: was too high, I know. And listen, my helmet went flying.

652
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: So once I got my helmet, once I got my helmet,

653
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: and I was getting ready to walk up on him,

654
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: and he ain't knew I was gonna hit him in

655
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: the stomach. So, you know, we hit somebody in the stomach,

656
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: the first thing they do is they go, they've been down.

657
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: Did you catch you with upper cut? Upper cut?

658
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

659
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: And so I man listen, by man boy, I'll tell

660
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: you what I would have that fifty two would have

661
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: been twenty five when I was done with Ray that day.

662
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Bray, I don't think you had I don't think you

663
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: had all your bearings.

664
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you were.

665
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: I think he was about to be the headless foot,

666
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: the headland football player, because I thought your head within

667
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: that helmet, it was it was, it.

668
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: Was You're gonna get his work though. Hey, hey, that's

669
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: that's one of that's one of the things. As I

670
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: missed though, Like, oh, I know, I play around a lot.

671
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: I make a lot of jokes. I'm always laughing and stuff.

672
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: Being able to compete, not anybody. I'm about being able

673
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: to compete against those stealer teams with Ike Taylor and

674
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: James Harrison and Larry Fooden and Joey Porter and oh man.

675
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you was gonna say you miss uh

676
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: getting Yeah, I don't.

677
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: I don't mind that either. Listen, you know I'm I

678
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: was like, I was like gumby unk. I ain't carding

679
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: about that getting hit. You gotta you gotta. I got

680
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: up from every single hit except one eleven years. One

681
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: hit I didn't get up.

682
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: That was it. When you pop up fast, they know

683
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: they got you.

684
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: Now you know, I pop up fast, talking trash though

685
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: every time. There was some good days.

686
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Man.

687
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: I miss playing the ravens man and defenses. Man, oh

688
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: that that was such a joy, such a joy because

689
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: you had no you had no choice but to show

690
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: up on There's no weakness. There would no weakness nowhere nowhere.

691
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Division games always second level was good.

692
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: Secondary was good and here go my my crazy I'm

693
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: talking I'm talking trash all week long to take all

694
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: the pressure off of everybody else on our team, so

695
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: all the pressure was on me. Now all y'all got

696
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: to do is just go out there and just do

697
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: your job.

698
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: Nah, because they cheap shotting everybody. Man, why did you?

699
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Man?

700
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: Because tell Sharp shut up? Okay, man Sharp, leave alone.

701
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: You ain't got to block it. Well, you need to

702
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: block better.

703
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man. I don't know why, man,

704
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: I know.

705
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Look, you know what I bet you.

706
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: I bet your time called him from the I bet

707
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 2: your time called shalloh in the loner room of course.

708
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: Man, what did you?

709
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: Man?

710
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: What is you doing?

711
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: What? That's exactly? What?

712
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: Come on?

713
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: What you doing really, sir? You think? So let me

714
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: ask your question. You hit it?

715
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: You think you heard him, You think there was a

716
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him.

717
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: You could hurt him. You hurt your own self, your

718
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: own team, or you hurt him or his.

719
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: Team, because that's how that's how you look.

720
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: There's a I don't know if he like.

721
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: He ain't really no time, ain't really no yeller. He's

722
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: more of a talker and a stern and a and

723
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: a stern way to get his porn costs.

724
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Me. I'm like, bro, what what what?

725
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: What?

726
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Really?

727
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: You thought that was you? That was your answer? The man,

728
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: the man, the man that the man done drove you

729
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: like a winter bago. So now you mad because you

730
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: couldn't get him up off you.

731
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: You take a swipe, Maty. Oh man, Hey, Shallow, you

732
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: gonna get the weight room. Bro.

733
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Them guys, them guys bagged them tight ends. Hey, you

734
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: know I was just strong, but I wasn't you know,

735
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: I was twenty eight Them guys now that them tight

736
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: as now they six four six five fifty two sixty. Hey,

737
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: you got to drop an anger on him, Shallow?

738
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: You no, fuck me? Hell you think you this?

739
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: And Prime gotta be careful because Sharlotte with hitt him

740
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: back with you were the same one out there fight

741
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: with Andre Risen. So you sitting there telling me if

742
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: I thought so much as you was out there?

743
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: Man time, I remember bet I remember that, like, hey,

744
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: he like he tried to show.

745
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: He tried to show out in my house. You can't

746
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: come to.

747
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: My house going at it. Boy, they were at it.

748
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: I think Dre forgot that time was left handed. He was, yeah, yeah,

749
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: he was. He was looking for the right and tied

750
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 2: would kill it with the left. I think I think

751
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: that's what happened. See, that's what gets you on, yo,

752
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: because you think most of the time and I think

753
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: most people are right handed.

754
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: What's the percentage of right handed people?

755
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: If it ain't no fifty fifty like a coin flip,

756
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: it's got to be like seventy thirty right it and

757
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: left it. And so you automatically soon somebody right handed,

758
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: and so you let you you looking for that right

759
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: and he just got the upside your.

760
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Head with the.

761
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the boy was going.

762
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: And see the thing was time was smart, see time,

763
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: and when pledging me, time ain't want to break his

764
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: hand open open ty was open handed it. But I

765
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: think I think hil will learned. I mean, hey, you're like, hey,

766
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: if hopefully he makes the squad and he can get

767
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: to because this thing of you on the practice squad,

768
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: o't Joe, you ain't making forty thives of a week.

769
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: They're gonna tell your first three weeks going to the NFL,

770
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna be all right. The headlines The Buccaneers informed

771
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waved his agent.

772
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: Your Rosenhouse, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mind with

773
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: the Ravens added, we're hoping he'd get cleaned waivers.

774
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, where do you think Shiloh will laying?

775
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not sure where we're laying. There's

776
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: some teams out there that can use some depth, especially

777
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: at the safety position. I'm not sure what the Bengals

778
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: look like in the in the in the in the secondary,

779
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: I think Steelers can can add the Saints can add

780
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: to to their to their secondary as well. He's gonna

781
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: get claimed where he gets claimed, I'm not sure whether

782
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: that would be yet. Listen. For one, he has Austin

783
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: representation in Robert Bailey and j rosen House. Obviously they

784
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: represented me while I was playing my tenure. So he

785
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: will get picked up where he gets picked up, I'm

786
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: not sure. But he has the right person in his

787
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 3: corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play

788
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: the game that he loves.

789
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse.

790
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that

791
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: they're being released. He's an undrafted free agent, and because

792
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse. People say, well, young,

793
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders.

794
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: I haven't.

795
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an

796
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent it was breaking news that he was

797
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: getting released.

798
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Well, lade, whatever the case may be, go ahead, o't you.

799
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: Anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie. The only

800
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: time they make the news, uncles, when they get in trouble, right,

801
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: is there arrest of some sort anything coming out of

802
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: college where they've gotten in trouble. But that's pretty much it.

803
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Because of the last name, is why it's breaking news.

804
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: And it just it's like you said, uncle, it's.

805
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: A gift and the curse, yep, and I just you know, hey,

806
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: you sit back and you reflected, and you're like, Okay,

807
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: it didn't work out here. Maybe somebody gives me an opportunity.

808
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: It works out somewhere else. You don't know. This is

809
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: the first time that Shallow has been told he's not

810
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: good enough. I mean, he's been a phenomenal player. Obviously,

811
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: he got his first thought the University of South Carolina.

812
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: He got a D one scholarship. His father gets the

813
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: job at Jackson State he goes and joins his father

814
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: and his brother at Jackson, and then when his dad

815
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: gets the head coaching job at CU, he follows. You know,

816
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: the two sons follow their dad there. This is the

817
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: very first time, and it's really hard because think about it, though, Joe,

818
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: he's I think he's twenty four to twenty five, and

819
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: for the first time in twenty four to twenty five years,

820
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: somebody has told you you're not good enough. Now, it's

821
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: one thing if you know, you get cut from your

822
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team,

823
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: or something like that. He's twenty five. But think about it.

824
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, for the

825
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: first time of your life, you're in your mid twenties

826
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: before somebody ever tells, someone ever.

827
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: Utters to you you're not good enough.

828
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Forget forget it be a sport, maybe it's a job,

829
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: maybe it's something, but to be told you're not good

830
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: enough because your whole life you've dreamed about being an

831
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: NFL player, or your whole like your dream job, whatever

832
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: the case that may be, you dreamed about holding this

833
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: dream job and then all of a sudden they're like, you're.

834
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: Not good enough.

835
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh

836
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: in the building, viewing the son of Dion Sanders as

837
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: a good kid who at all times of respectful to everyone.

838
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: Shiloh could, in theory signed with the Buns practice squad

839
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good

840
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: enough to compete and play at an NFL level. That's

841
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: always the case, that's what you way, oh Shoe, because

842
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying,

843
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: with a year under our bet, with a year under

844
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: his belt and our system developing, we think he can

845
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: develop into a player that could play for us at

846
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: office defense.

847
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: And maybe he's just a backup.

848
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Maybe hey, they pay backups just in case people don't know, they.

849
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: Do pay backups in the NFL.

850
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: And you know, he can be a special teams player,

851
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: punt punt returned, kickoff, kickoff return.

852
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: Maybe, whatever the case may be.

853
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: Now that's what the Bucks organization, that's what they have

854
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: to weigh. Todd Bowles and that staff, I forget the

855
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: general manager. I just reading something the other day about

856
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: the general manager because he was talking about what's the

857
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: linebacker they let go. Uh, he was LSU. They ended

858
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: up letting him go and he would go to Philly.

859
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Now he's found a home. I think he's at the Texans,

860
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: maybe the Raiders, whatever the case may be. But I

861
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: just saw it. I just saw his name. That's what

862
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: you have to That's that's what you're up against. You

863
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: got sixteen spots, so that's a lot of people that

864
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: you can bring in. All those sixteen players.

865
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: Oh yo. Basically we're saying.

866
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: That we believe with another year in our systems offense

867
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: or defense, we think down the line, he just needed

868
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: a little bit more time to develop. We think this

869
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: kid might turn into a pretty good player for us. Absolutely,

870
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: let's let's let's take another look at it. Let's let's

871
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: let's let's get a let's get a bird's eye view.

872
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: Let's stay with the let's for a year, and let's

873
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: see what kind of player he turns into. So hopefully

874
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 2: that's something. If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, hopefully

875
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: he gives an opportunity, either it's the bugs or someone

876
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: gives him an opportunity, because maybe he just needs another

877
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: year to develop into an NFL player.

878
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case. Maybe it isn't.

879
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: Everybody everybody that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it,

880
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: oh Joe. Because but you know what, my brother had

881
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you

882
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: know what a dream is, oh Joe, A dream that

883
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: comes true. He says, it's a gift to yourself. A

884
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: dream is a gift to yourself. You I had very

885
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL. There

886
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: are no other options. I didn't have a plan, but ya,

887
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: I got my degree, but my ABC all the way

888
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: through Z was go play in the NFL. And my

889
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: determining factor was to get my family out of the situation. Now,

890
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: my brother gave us a head start, but I wasn't.

891
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: That wasn't good enough for me. He did it. I

892
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: never thought there was nothing that my brother ever did that.

893
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: I didn't think I could do, not one thing. He's like,

894
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: I like, he went to college. But I know I

895
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: could go to college even though I wasn't a student

896
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: that he was. I didn't he applied himself. I never

897
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: applied myself. I was, you know, hey, I got this

898
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: god given ability of extremely talented that'll.

899
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: Get me by.

900
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 2: It's an amazing I think It's amazing when I see

901
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: kids that come from lineage like a time, like a

902
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: Clay Matthews senior, like a Bruce Matthew's son, Peyton Manning.

903
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: When your your father has something and you still have

904
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: a burning desire to get it for yourself, that's very

905
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: impressive to me coming from our situation.

906
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, it's easy to be motivated.

907
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, being hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy.

908
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: Being reigned on is easy to develop motivation. But what

909
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances.

910
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta want it. You got to want it.

911
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: You got to be self motivated too, And you got

912
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: to understand when you when you have fathers that play

913
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: in the NFL that were very very good, not just

914
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: you know you're regularly the average players. Then also as

915
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: a child having to live up to that hype, the

916
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: comparison of your father, you're not being as good as

917
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: your father just yet may be, but sometimes the pressures

918
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: of having to live up to in the shadow of

919
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: a father that was extremely good at his craft can

920
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 3: also It can be demoralizing at times. Yes, I'm focusing

921
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: locked in. I mean a great example of one of

922
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: the players who was able to do it too, Tarot

923
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: Owen's son. You know, I'm sure he's had to deal

924
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: with all the all the outside noise. But having a

925
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: father like t O that's going to make sure you're

926
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: prepared for all the nonsens that comes with. Don't worry

927
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: about trying to be me, Just be you. Just be.

928
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: That's Tariq Owens that you can be. Hell this past weekend,

929
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: what do you do? Scored the pops? You know, plea

930
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: you through I'm about That has to be one of

931
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: the greatest feelings in the world. To have a son

932
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: I'm mad or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is

933
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: that they do or choose to be in that there

934
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: has to be a dope, dope feeling.

935
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: Of course. I think the thing is ojo.

936
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: The biggest thing is is do are you living in

937
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: your parents' shadow or are you embracing it?

938
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: That's a good one. That's a good one. I would

939
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: never force my child to do anything they don't want

940
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: to do. I would never force my child to do anything. Listen.

941
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 3: I would love I would love it. You know. If

942
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: you want to play football, so be it. But it's

943
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: nothing that would ever force you to do.

944
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: You know why, force you to do? You know why?

945
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Because playing football was your dream. You don't know if

946
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: that's their dream.

947
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: See a lot of time when people force their kid

948
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: to do something, they're living vicariously through the child. Now,

949
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying in all situations, because I think everybody

950
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: wants their child to be successful as his or her

951
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: chosen path, right, But a lot of times we see

952
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: the behavior and people kids thinking about now, oh, my

953
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: son going to the NFL, my son is gonna be

954
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: a major League baseball player, my son gonna be a

955
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: basketball player. Let the kid. Let a kid be a kid.

956
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck.

957
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to look at your child as the

958
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: way out.

959
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: That's a good one. That's a good one. Or you're

960
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you

961
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: weren't able to achieve the dreams that you.

962
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: You couldn't do it, So now you're gonna put that

963
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: a Hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that

964
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: whatever he or she chooses, and then you nudge them

965
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: along in that direction. Don't ay, this is what you

966
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: want to do, And my son.

967
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Very early on he said that that ain't this, ain't me,

968
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: This ain't what I want.

969
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: I got a question, yes, a question for you be

970
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: talking about that. It's a great topic to talk about

971
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: when you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like

972
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods, Yes, Serena, Venia and Venus Dad beyond the

973
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: father Yes, fathers that actually understood early on, this is

974
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: what you guys need to do to be able to

975
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: read success.

976
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: You talk about prodigies though you talked about, you talked

977
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: about you, you talked about but you got to understand.

978
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: As fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going

979
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: to be what they turned out to be. You think,

980
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: says Dad understood that she would be one of the

981
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: greatest of all time. I mean she said, din acquire you,

982
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: young Joe Jackson. You have talent. You have you have

983
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: sons that are talented. You have to put them through

984
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: the through the work to actually get to that clinicle

985
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: that you envisioned. So is that not almost like the

986
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: same thing they see in something that they weren't able

987
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: to accomplish, and they feel that their their child, the

988
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: kids should be able to be able to live livebout

989
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: their dream.

990
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: But if you go back and think about it, go

991
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: back and listen to the parent. The kid was excited

992
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: to get up the next day to go do it again.

993
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: They never had to force the child to go do

994
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: it right. They never like, come on, Tigers, you got

995
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: to get up. Tiger was four or five years old.

996
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: He already had his bag. He was ready to go. Beyonce.

997
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: They never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say

998
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: you need to practice. She was rare to go. Mike,

999
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: he's with the Jackson five. We got a group, nice

1000
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: little group. Hey, and I'm sure, but and you know

1001
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: a lot of times, you know, it's hard. Tiger had

1002
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: a very strained relationship with his father because of the

1003
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 2: things that transpired in the household with his mom. We

1004
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father.

1005
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: He ended up firing his dad as soon as he

1006
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: left the group, I think in seventy nine, fired his dad.

1007
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: All of them to end up finding the dad as

1008
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: their manager. So we understand, because but as a child,

1009
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: you don't understand that, O Joe, you don't you don't

1010
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: understand that he your parent, mom or dad is trying

1011
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: to push you in a direction because they see something

1012
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: in you that you don't see yourself. But but the

1013
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: child has to want it because if he be he

1014
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: or she begrudgingly do it.

1015
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, when they get old enough, when they get

1016
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: old enough to make their own decisions, all the work

1017
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: that you put in and he don't go to waste

1018
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: because the child is gonna turn now, you know what

1019
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: the same way.

1020
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: That is what I beause we've seen we've seen them. Man.

1021
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: I just man, I ain't even want to play no

1022
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: more football. I ain't even want to play no more basketball.

1023
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: And that's and here's the thing I saw somebody and

1024
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: he says, he says two things. Motivation and discipline. When

1025
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do

1026
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: what you need to do?

1027
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1028
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Motivation, yeah, oh Joe, we are motivated, boy boy yeah

1029
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And the motivation is not there because you're

1030
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: not going to be motivated every single day, every single time.

1031
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: But will you be disciplined understanding and realizing what it

1032
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: takes to get to where you ultimately wants to go?

1033
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 3: Two more examples, what's that ball and what he did

1034
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: with the ball? Yes, a and Aman Ross Saint Brown's

1035
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: father as well. Ay Magic, great Creed Magic.

1036
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he said, he say, hey the boys.

1037
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: A they wanted to be at the gym.

1038
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's easy when someone is motivated and they're disciplined,

1039
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: that's the that's the easiest person because you look at

1040
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: the greats. Michael Jordan is extremely talented. Look at the motivation,

1041
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: look at the discipline that he had. Look at Lebron,

1042
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: look at the Kobe. You look at the greats of

1043
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: the greats. Yes, not only are they're extremely talented, they're

1044
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: extremely driven individuals.

1045
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about obsessed.

1046
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1047
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Serena was obsessed.

1048
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: That's when you get when twenty thirty forty years from now,

1049
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: when we talk about some of the best, the best

1050
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be

1051
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: mentioned because she was obsessed with it. Yes, she's ultimately

1052
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: talented to be able to for her to be able

1053
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: to move around the court like she could with that with.

1054
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: That powerful forehand.

1055
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Federal, he's like he's on clouds, like he's he's valet.

1056
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: He's bisching to cop with a bat with a racket.

1057
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: But we wish the best for we wish the best

1058
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: for all these guys, but some of these Sally is

1059
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: going to come to an end. Some of these guys

1060
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: are not going to get uh, what do we call it,

1061
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: practice squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's over. It's

1062
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: the end of the road.