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Speaker 1: how the president's tweets with the North Korea leader, we're

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Speaker 1: That gives me pause because we've given the North Koreans

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Speaker 1: their nuke program doesn't don't. I mean, but they're still testing.

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Speaker 1: They're still testing, and they're still building. And our intelligence

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Speaker 1: said Dan Coates, who sees it every single day. But

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Speaker 1: But but but you have China putting pressure on them,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone is trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: But I he wantacy and he's and he's getting it

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Speaker 1: from this president. No, I think you're correct. I think

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Speaker 1: and I believe Dan Coats even at least alluded to

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Speaker 1: this in previous statements, that they're going to utilize this

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Speaker 1: for full propaganda to be able to show Kim jongu

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Speaker 1: next to the President of the United States, we are equal,

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Speaker 1: and we're given them that. Yeah, but I mean but

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Speaker 1: they're not. I mean like you. But the folks in

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Speaker 1: night in North Korea in her pink kimono is showing

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Speaker 1: these images all right. Well, Also in terms of international travel,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a really massive news week next

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Speaker 1: week and we will be broadcasting from Hanoi on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: going to Venezuela on Monday to this of course, following

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Speaker 1: Guido's the acting president there elected by the People's Congress

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Speaker 1: over there. Of course, you've got the situation with Venezuela's

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Speaker 1: dictator Maduro. Uh. Really nonpart is in consensus by the way,

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Speaker 1: from Speaker Pelosi as well as Republicans that pun Guido

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Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, really a week where you've got

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Speaker 1: the vice president who's really taking the lead on the

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Speaker 1: issue of Venezuela, and then of course President Trump over

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Speaker 1: there in HANOI will be following all of those developments

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Speaker 1: coming up. Our panel stays we talked about, well, we

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Speaker 1: got to talk about Virginia, especially given uh sure Michael's

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Speaker 1: past as a political opposition research. Do you ever get

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Speaker 1: out of the political dark arts once you've been in them?

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Speaker 1: Kevin Walling also stays strategist. Remember check is the sound

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Speaker 1: on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot Com or

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Speaker 1: getting the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us

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Speaker 1: on radio dot com and I Heart Radio. I'm Kevin Sirelli.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin's really on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one oh five point seven of m h

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Speaker 1: D two Baltimore. We've made a lot of progress, We've

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Speaker 1: made a tremendous amount. That doesn't mean this is going

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Speaker 1: to be the last meeting, because I don't believe it will.

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Speaker 1: But we have subjects to discuss which will be very fruitful.

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Speaker 1: I believe there we go. That was President Trump speaking

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Speaker 1: yesterday at the White House. He says that the meeting

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Speaker 1: with he and Kim John Nune of North Korea, set

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Speaker 1: to take place next week in Hannoi, Vietnam, is going

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Speaker 1: to be quote unquote fruitful. We were talking about that earlier,

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Speaker 1: also talking about all of the latest legal drama surrounding

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Speaker 1: the administration. Remember folks, CNN reporting yesterday that the Mueller

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Speaker 1: investigation might be complete an Attorney General Bill Barr might

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Speaker 1: submit the summary report to Congress next week while the

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Speaker 1: President is traveling in Hannoi Vietnam. Vice President Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: is set to be on Monday in Colombia. The whole

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Speaker 1: situation there with Juangarido, the acting president of Venezuela. Given

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Speaker 1: the dynamics there with the dictator Maduro, the US formerly

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Speaker 1: both Democrats and Republicans minus I guess Democratic congresswoman and

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Speaker 1: I guess presidential candidate Telsea Gabert, she's been very critical

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Speaker 1: of that. The loan of THEO. That's Kevin Wallinger just

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Speaker 1: chimed in. He has a Democratic strategist at h G

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Speaker 1: Creative Media, and sure Michael Singleton is a Republican strategist

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Speaker 1: and contributing host of Box Media's considerate Telsea's running for

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Speaker 1: presidents though she who should not be mentioned. She's like

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Speaker 1: Voldemort in in my estimation. Okay, as a Democrat, why

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Speaker 1: because there are many things she She defends assad, she

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Speaker 1: defends Medoro. That's that's not what Democrats stand for. It's

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Speaker 1: not what Republicans stand for. You know, we don't stand

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Speaker 1: with dictators that that harm and target a press, refugees

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Speaker 1: in their own countries. That's not what we stand for.

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Speaker 1: I will say, you're a congresswoman Gabbard, having served in

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Speaker 1: the military, it is interesting to hear her perspective. She

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Speaker 1: is someone who fought for the country, but her positions,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, are are not the majority in terms

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Speaker 1: of either political party. Did you guys see this? Was

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Speaker 1: she one of the folks on the cover of this

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Speaker 1: Time magazine. Did you guys see the Time? So if

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, I'll paint the pictures. Since I'm

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Speaker 1: on radio right now, I cover. Everyone asked what's the

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Speaker 1: difference between switching back from TV and radio. It's like

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Speaker 1: you have to you have to paint the picture you

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Speaker 1: do and I know, sure, Michael, you're actually a painter.

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Speaker 1: In your three times, I am. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I enjoy oil paintings. It's something that gets

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Speaker 1: you away from politics or people. Sometimes portraits. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: here's what time I'm gonna I want a portrait the

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Speaker 1: Time magazine cover. It's President Trump in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 1: He's sitting there, and then you've got the windows behind

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Speaker 1: him in the Oval office, and it's virtually like every

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Speaker 1: presidential hopeful in the Democratic Party in part of my party.

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Speaker 1: And and also, okay, so in this picture, who do

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Speaker 1: you guys like? I think Senator Sharon Brown he's mulling

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Speaker 1: a presidential run Democrat from a high because she did

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Speaker 1: very well in her state, winning almost every single county

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Speaker 1: that Trump won, with the exception of two. If she

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Speaker 1: compare with an African American or someone who's younger and diverse,

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a really strong take. So

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Speaker 1: you don't buy these allegations of her being a bad boss, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Politics is tough. People need to get over it. Wow,

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Speaker 1: politics bag, No, it's not. When I interviewed Rogers, one

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Speaker 1: of the first when I interviewed Roger starting on TV

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Speaker 1: like a year ago, he was like politics is a

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Speaker 1: blood sport. It's not bean bag or something. I agree

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Speaker 1: with him, Kevin, Yeah, amen, Amen, And I you know,

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Speaker 1: I also wonder how I agree with you. Amy Clibar

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Speaker 1: for it. She's out there in the Senate um. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much of this criticism is based in sexism?

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Speaker 1: Right as a tough woman who's a leader on issues,

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Speaker 1: how much of that is because of her gender and not?

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Speaker 1: You know, if if she was a man, would you

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Speaker 1: have the same criticism. Gonna quote Tom Keene right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna rip up the script to quote my good

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Speaker 1: buddy and friend and mentor at Bloomberg, Tom King. Let's

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Speaker 1: rip up the script. Okay, let's stick with this. Both

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Speaker 1: of you have worked in opposition search and you've got

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Speaker 1: these reports coming out. We in Washington all know how

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Speaker 1: the sausage gets made in the sense of anonymous sourcing,

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Speaker 1: and folks call reporters and dumped the APO. Senator Quobhar

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Speaker 1: clearly had some OPO research done against her. Let's take

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Speaker 1: away whether it's true, false, or what you think of it.

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Speaker 1: But why is this happening so soon as as both

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Speaker 1: on OPO research. Kevin, Yeah, I mean she she's got clearly,

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Speaker 1: she's got some disgruntled former staff right that have bottled

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Speaker 1: I write interrupt you here because I want to even

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Speaker 1: dig deeper, because it also shows savvness on some of

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Speaker 1: her competitors that they're already strategizing to try to characterize someone,

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Speaker 1: Party this early in the race, to to try to

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Speaker 1: put out the spark before it catches fire. That shows

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Speaker 1: that this is gonna be a blunt state does But

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Speaker 1: I think that could backfire. I think after twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the year of women once again,

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Speaker 1: and to attempt to characterize a woman as a villain

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Speaker 1: when who we have in the White House, and I'm

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Speaker 1: saying this as a conservative, I think it falls on definitely.

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Speaker 1: But put put put on your political apo cap. Take

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Speaker 1: me back when you were doing opposition research against Senator

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Speaker 1: Mark Warner in the early days of your political career. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is the advantage of starting OPO this early or

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Speaker 1: is it a disadvantage? Well, what it shows is that

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Speaker 1: whomever leaked this to the press or discovered this, it

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Speaker 1: shows that that individual is going to go to great

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Speaker 1: lens to try to characterize himself above the rest of

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Speaker 1: the field. And that means finding every little nasty, dirty

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Speaker 1: thing on each of their opponents and and and slowly

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Speaker 1: leaking it out the show. You don't want someone with

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Speaker 1: above the See. This is what I find so interesting

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Speaker 1: about the world of opposition research. It's like House of

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Speaker 1: Cards and a lot less West Week but honest, a

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Speaker 1: lot more veep. Right, that's true. But but but let

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Speaker 1: let me even because I think, if you're driving home

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Speaker 1: the left and on the right, does the principal candidate

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Speaker 1: is say, go negative or is it that dramatic or

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Speaker 1: do they know when they're hiring firms, are working with

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be the these types of story. I will

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Speaker 1: say this when I was an opposition researcher, the principle

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Speaker 1: absolutely knew that someone on the campaign was going to

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Speaker 1: of their opponents. They knew that for a fact, and

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Speaker 1: many times I actually interacted with the principle to show

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Speaker 1: this is what we have found. Is up to your

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Speaker 1: strategist and advisors to figure out how you want to

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Speaker 1: utilize said material. And part of that prostitute and correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, is doing a self assessment too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're the opposition researcher that is focusing on

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Speaker 1: other people, is also writing a book on your The

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Speaker 1: first thing you do care is to do the Apple

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Speaker 1: book on the principle that you were hired to pet romantic.

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Speaker 1: I mean like this is but like okay, so I

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Speaker 1: guess nowadays, if you're if you're one of the dozen

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Speaker 1: this is just Cam shouldn't be caught off guard, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: because the whole process of doing appo on the candidate

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Speaker 1: about their principle, whether it's something with finances, extra marital affairs, plagiarism,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. These candidates should not be

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Speaker 1: I think what's different about this cycle, and you know,

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Speaker 1: intensified since then. So you've got AOC who can you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's just it's President Trump has kind

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Speaker 1: of done that as well. Okay, but who do you

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Speaker 1: I mean, who's who's who's out to a good good show?

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden all the other where a guy I love

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Speaker 1: the vice president. He I think he can bring the

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Speaker 1: fight as her Michael said, I think, you know, in

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Speaker 1: relation to Amy Clibatar, he's gonna want to pick a

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Speaker 1: person of color or a woman to balance out that ticket.

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Speaker 1: I hope. So it looks really like the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: when they eventually run and sources are saying that he's

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Speaker 1: but what do you say. Do you think that okay?

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Speaker 1: Because everyone knows this right every time he's run for

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Speaker 1: Senna under standers, when you look at where the base

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's in line with the base.

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Speaker 1: But as Joe Biden said, don't you have to be

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Speaker 1: don't as Joe Biden says, don't compare me to the alternative,

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Speaker 1: compared me to the don't compare me to the almighty,

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Speaker 1: Compare me to the alternative. And in that race when

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Speaker 1: he's fighting Donald Trump, this is insurancing point because in

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Speaker 1: he's running right now in north in in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: right now, right before he announces. If he continues to

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Speaker 1: got Kevin. Let's just be realistic here, guys. Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: the same thing about Trump. His views are becoming more

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Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat. You just can't. I actually think

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Speaker 1: got I think Sanders is the front runner. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so it's still so far away. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is why we all got into it. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I get it, but cover you know

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Speaker 1: that Time cover, that Time magazine cover. All right. Kevin Walling,

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