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Speaker 1: Well, the Bible is more than just a book. It

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Speaker 1: is the Holy Spirit's masterpiece, telling the powerful story of

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Speaker 1: God's relentless love towards humanity. Wow, it's not to think about. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guest opens up about how that story gripped his

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Speaker 1: heart and shaped his calling. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: joining around the table is Dorothy Newton, who loves to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Bible.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, you know.

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Speaker 3: I talked to so many people about the Bible and

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Speaker 3: it is intimidating, it can be overwhelming, and I always

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Speaker 3: just tell them and encourage him, just start, start from

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Speaker 3: somewhere and the Holy Spirit will give you everything you

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Speaker 3: need to comprehend and understand, but you have to start right.

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Speaker 1: And today's guest really has a tool to help it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to share about that, Anna Kindo. I

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Speaker 1: say that the Bible is the only book in the

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Speaker 1: universe that is living and breathing.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it is alive. It is life for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: And I'm excited today because we're going to get some

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Speaker 5: answers to some questions that have perplexed a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to be here, all right. Rachel ANB.

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Speaker 1: Brown how are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm good.

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Speaker 7: And you know, reading the Bible is so important and

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Speaker 7: something that Josh and I are really focused on instilling

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Speaker 7: in our kids. So Judah's got a children's Bible and

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Speaker 7: we read through the entire Bible already and so now

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Speaker 7: we're starting over.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, and he loves it.

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Speaker 7: And so we're trying to instill that at an early age.

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Speaker 7: But when we're older, it's gonna be intimidating, you know,

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Speaker 7: trying to break it down and understand it. I know

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Speaker 7: something that Josh has done that's really helped us. He'll

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Speaker 7: go to YouTube and he'll listen to like the Bible

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Speaker 7: being read are on the Bible app and he listens

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Speaker 7: to it. I'll hear the little voice throughout the house.

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Speaker 1: I'll have all these different versions on my phone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll listen to the Gospels through the different versions. The

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Speaker 1: Bible is really important for Rebecca Lam whis isn't it?

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Speaker 6: Oh man?

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Speaker 8: That is a loaded question, But to simplify an answer,

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Speaker 8: it is essential, and it is infallible, and it is

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Speaker 8: the Word of God and has authority, and it's a.

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Speaker 6: Gift that He's given us.

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Speaker 8: What I love is that we're going to be talking

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Speaker 8: about it's simplified for people in a way that they

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Speaker 8: can understand. I think that's one of better thing to

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Speaker 8: give people than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Is there any particular verse lately that has

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Speaker 1: that I know? Sometimes somebody? I know my verse, my

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Speaker 1: little life verse. I think even my teenage years was

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Speaker 1: in Proverbs. Trust in the Lord with all your heart,

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Speaker 1: And I saw him do that in my life. Is

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Speaker 1: there any scripture standing out this question?

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Speaker 8: The one that's been with me for the past couple

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Speaker 6: Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord.

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Speaker 8: He will be like a tree who's planted by the

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Speaker 8: river bank whose roots go down, it doesn't fear drought

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Speaker 8: because it's leaves stay green. And I also before that

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Speaker 8: it says curse. It is the one who trust in man.

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Speaker 8: And so we aren't supposed to trust in ourselves, We're

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Speaker 8: not supposed to trust in any person. If our trust

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Speaker 8: won't matter what comes our way in life because we're

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Speaker 1: Cindy Murdaich, there are so many verses life verses that

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Speaker 1: you have. I know, I was thinking about so many.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the one you just said.

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Speaker 9: It's meant so much to me lately as life takes

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Speaker 9: whose mind has stayed upon me, God said, will be

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Speaker 9: kept in perfect peace. So when our mind has stayed

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Speaker 9: on the bigness of who God is, and as we

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Speaker 6: It helps us stay in perfect peace.

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Speaker 1: And good. Yeah, that's good. I mean, that's something that

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Speaker 1: that He gives us a piece that passes all understanding.

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Speaker 1: And you can start reading the Bible and just experience

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Speaker 1: a piece of God, the presence of God. It really

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Speaker 1: really is amazing. Well, today's guest is the spirit filled

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Speaker 1: content creator and author. Please welcome Zach Wendall.

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Speaker 10: Come on in, Zach, guys, thank you so much for

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Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here at the table with all these women.

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Speaker 12: I know, fun it all right, Well, you know, at

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Speaker 1: Today. He shares how the Bible still transforms and what

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Speaker 1: inspired his book, The Bible Simplified.

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Speaker 11: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It didn't start out that way. Let's

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Speaker 1: go back to the beginning where you actually saw miracles happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in your own home. But there wasn't really a kind

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Speaker 1: of surrender moment for you to where Okay, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to make you lord of my life. You kind of

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Speaker 1: just coasting along. But you saw things happen early on.

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Speaker 1: What tell us a little bit about some of the

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Speaker 1: things that happened with your mom.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, when I was four years old, my mom was

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Speaker 10: diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer and was sent home

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Speaker 10: with a five percent chance to live. She ended up

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Speaker 10: being healed from that, so miracle and praised God. And

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Speaker 10: then she had a tumor on her satic nerve and

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Speaker 1: That, and I said, she said, she felt.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, prayed over fire through her body. Miraculous healing with that.

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Speaker 10: And then she had colon cancer with three quarters of

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Speaker 11: Was healed from that.

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Speaker 10: And then when I was fifteen, breast cancer double mass

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Speaker 11: But I always was focused.

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Speaker 10: On the goodness of God, and he would and my

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Speaker 10: mom would always say, Zach, life could be so much worse.

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Speaker 10: you need to treat every day like the gift that

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Speaker 10: And that really shaped my entire mindset growing up, my

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Speaker 10: of people grow up in church, you know certain stories,

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Speaker 10: maybe you have to memorize certain Bible verses, but I

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Speaker 11: It's like I knew Adam and Eve and.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, David and Goliath.

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Speaker 10: Totally, and it's like, but how do those all link up?

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Speaker 10: And so I fell away from my faith for years.

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Speaker 10: I started doubting things.

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Speaker 1: And what age were you when you kind of stepped

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Speaker 10: I would say around seventeen till about twenty four, probably, Wow,

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Speaker 10: Zach Yeah, what is that.

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Speaker 7: Journey like for you in that time stepping away?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I was.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, literally, it never works out good. I think I

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Speaker 10: allowed other people's faith and actions to impact my relationship

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Speaker 10: in view of God too much, which is so funny

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Speaker 10: that we do that. It's like the god of the

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Speaker 10: Michael over here is like a bad representation.

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Speaker 7: Was it through like a trauma or like a hurt

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Speaker 10: No, I think it was just a desire to try

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of going along with you know, do what

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Speaker 1: could do it and stepping away. Okay, So at some

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Speaker 1: point though, you decided to pray a prayer to God. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, everyone gets there at some point where

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Speaker 1: like it's almost like he gives you an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: I told somebody yesterday, Hey, the onus is not on me.

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Speaker 1: To prove who he is. If you'll just say, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: then he will show up. So what was your prayer?

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Speaker 10: I said, God, I'm going to give you two years

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Speaker 11: Otherwise I'm stepping away from.

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Speaker 10: so do you remember that workout program P ninety X

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Speaker 10: I found this program out in Australia, because being from Minnesota,

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Speaker 10: and moved across the world and we studied in this

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Speaker 11: Days a week. So if it was Genesis week.

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Speaker 10: You would read Genesis literally five times through during that week.

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Speaker 10: end of every week, you would write your own commentary

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Speaker 10: to become a teacher. At that point, I didn't really

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Speaker 10: Lord gave me this full vision for this product called

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Speaker 10: the Bible Study, and I saw like the design of it,

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Speaker 10: the layout and everything.

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Speaker 11: And that was my first book that I.

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Speaker 1: Created, and that was the one Year Bible.

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Speaker 1: So how many downloads of that?

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Speaker 10: We sold at this point about half a million copies

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Speaker 11: That's awes Yeah, it's impacted people all over the world,

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Speaker 1: Wow, you had no idea that would happen, not at all. Okay,

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, you know, Jesus did the hard work, like Zach

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Speaker 8: was saying, so that we could receive freely the gift

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Speaker 8: of salvation.

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Speaker 6: And I love that.

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Speaker 8: I love that the blood of Jesus and says it

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Speaker 8: washes all of our sins. And so you can just

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Speaker 8: pray this prayer with me and receive that free gift

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Speaker 8: of salvation that Jesus provided for us by going on

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Speaker 8: the cross and rising three days later.

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Speaker 6: So just repeat after me, Dear Lord Jesus, Dear Lord Jesus.

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Speaker 6: I recognize that I'm a sinner.

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Speaker 1: I recognize that I assume.

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Speaker 6: And I repent for my sins.

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Speaker 1: I repent for my sins.

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Speaker 6: I recognize that you died on the cross for my sins.

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Speaker 1: Died on the cross for my sins.

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Speaker 8: And I asked that today you would wash me in

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Speaker 8: your blood.

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Speaker 1: And said, today you washed your blood.

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Speaker 8: And I asked that you would come into my heart.

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Speaker 1: As you would come into my heart, and be.

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Speaker 6: The lord of my life, and be the lord of blood.

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Speaker 8: I submit my life to you, my life, rule and

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Speaker 8: reign and me rule and fill me with your.

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Speaker 6: Holy spirit, and with your Holy spirit. Lead and guide me.

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Speaker 6: Lead Jesus name.

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Speaker 1: Name Jesus. Amen. Well, you know, it's really that simple.

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Speaker 1: And if you pray that prayer, there's a prayer line

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Speaker 1: number on the screen. We'd love to send you. The

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Speaker 1: Book of John is the Gospel of John. It's a

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Speaker 1: great place to start in the Bible. And that's just

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Speaker 1: our free gift to you. And I'm so excited about

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Speaker 1: what God has for you in the day's head. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing more important than you could do today than to

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Speaker 1: pray that prayer. And it prepares us for eternity. And

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited that you prayed it. Well, say right

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Speaker 1: there we are. We'll be right back with Zach just

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Speaker 1: a moment.

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Speaker 13: Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This book

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Speaker 13: is more than that. It's a place to meet God.

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Speaker 13: Every verse invites you to slow down, to listen, with

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Speaker 13: a journal that offers a quiet space for your prayers,

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Speaker 13: your questions, your journey, for moments of stillness or words

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Speaker 13: that matter. Order your Bible and journal bundle now.

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Speaker 1: All right, so the Bible simplified. Who needs to read it? Zach?

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Speaker 11: So many different people everyone watching.

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Speaker 10: I would say the new believer for sure, somebody that

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Speaker 10: is just reading the Bible for the first time. If

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Speaker 10: I had that when I was starting out, it would

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Speaker 10: have changed my faith completely. But then also somebody that

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Speaker 10: has grown up in church and fallen away for years,

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Speaker 10: maybe because they don't have a relationship with the Bible,

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Speaker 10: but they do have a relationship with God. And then

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Speaker 10: also somebody that has read the Bible a dozen times before.

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Speaker 10: For instance, my nephew right now is going through it

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Speaker 10: and he's ten and getting a ton from it. But

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Speaker 10: then also my mother in law's going through it and

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Speaker 10: she's read the Bible handful of times and they're both

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Speaker 10: getting a ton and she loves it.

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Speaker 11: She loves it.

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Speaker 1: You're going to become the favorite.

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Speaker 11: Am I that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's like just a little tidbit of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Job, which is a long book and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's hard book, and you start off. Job is a

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Speaker 1: quintessential book on suffering. We all want to know the

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Speaker 1: answer to the question why do bad things happen to

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Speaker 1: good people? The Book of Job explores that question, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't give the answer we prefer. The book begins

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Speaker 1: by telling us about Job. He was the blames, and

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Speaker 1: you just go through and simplify the whole story.

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Speaker 9: You know what I think it would help people to

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Speaker 9: read this is that I remember when David and I

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Speaker 9: first married, and he was young in the Lord, even

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Speaker 9: though he had grown up in church, and I would

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Speaker 9: he would ask me a question about the Bible, and

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Speaker 9: I would say something, and he would say, why do

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Speaker 9: you believe that? Why do you believe that's the Bible?

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Speaker 9: And so my brain started hurting because trying.

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Speaker 1: To explain to him wh.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes it was, well, it was preached like this, so

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Speaker 9: I heard it preach like this. So that book will

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Speaker 9: help people be able to say why they believe what

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Speaker 9: they believe.

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Speaker 1: That's good. How long to take you to write it?

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Speaker 11: About a year?

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Speaker 1: About a year? Did you Did you use any of

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Speaker 1: your notes from.

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Speaker 11: The a little bit?

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Speaker 10: But for the most part I was studying like crazy,

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Speaker 10: I think, just understanding new scholars and wanting to know

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Speaker 10: what other people said about stuff.

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Speaker 1: What the one year Bible is that still available to

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Speaker 1: people to call.

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Speaker 11: The Bible Studies, so they can go through that.

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Speaker 10: Yep, hold your hand as you read through the whole

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Speaker 10: Bible over the course of a year.

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Speaker 6: People should get both of those books.

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Speaker 11: I believe, So start with this one and then go

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Speaker 11: to the other. And that's a great.

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Speaker 1: Gift for people. It is. So your favorite book of

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Speaker 1: the Bible.

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Speaker 10: Oh, favorite book of the Bible, I would say Genesis

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Speaker 10: or Matthew. Okay, I love the Jewish understand of Jesus

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Speaker 10: and I think we get so much of that in

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Speaker 10: the Book of Matthew.

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Speaker 11: So I love that.

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Speaker 1: Here we are in chapter thirty seven understanding revelations.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: That could not have been easy to.

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Speaker 10: Write that, No, definitely not. And for some things, it's

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Speaker 10: like there's so many different views on it, so you

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Speaker 10: need to also realize that some people might not hold

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Speaker 11: And so it was very like that.

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Speaker 10: Book, for instance, was very focused on there's good and bad,

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Speaker 10: and it's who you're choosing to partner with right, and

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Speaker 10: Jesus is coming back, and Heaven and Hell are a

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Speaker 10: real place.

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Speaker 1: And are there are definite things in there that scripture

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Speaker 1: is clear about yes. Yeah, and my husband always says,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can always come back to the cross

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Speaker 1: like clarity is there and that's.

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Speaker 11: The most important ye yep part of all.

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Speaker 1: Did you bring more Bibles with you?

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Speaker 3: Because I know Joani's going to want to take it out.

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Speaker 11: I got you covered. You don't have to worry about it.

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Speaker 1: That this is fine. He's going to sign my copy

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Speaker 1: right here. Rachel's going to get one and I'm no

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Speaker 1: Rebecca want one too. I all need one today? Do

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Speaker 1: we do?

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Speaker 10: So?

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Speaker 1: You know when all the ladies at the table want

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Speaker 1: the book, it's a good book. So we are out

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Speaker 1: of time. But I want you to remember that the

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Speaker 1: Bible isn't meant to be complicated. It's meant to reveal

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Speaker 1: God's deepest desire, and his deepest desire is to have

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Speaker 1: a personal relationship with you, and he longs for that.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be in your life. He wants to

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Speaker 1: speak to you. He wants you to experience his presence.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, when you get into the

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Speaker 1: Word of God and you begin to read, I believe

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Speaker 1: that you will experience it in a way that you

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Speaker 1: never have. Well, if you're watching today and you need prayer.

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Speaker 1: That again, why the number saw the screen. If you

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer with Rebecca, let us know, we'll send

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Speaker 1: you the Gospel of John. No, I can't send you

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Speaker 1: the Bible Simplified. You have to get that, but that'd

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Speaker 1: be a great book to get as well. I do

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Speaker 1: want to thank Zach for joining us today. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to pick up a copy of his book The Bible Simplified.

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Speaker 6: For more.

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Speaker 1: You can visit him online is Zachwindall dot com and

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Speaker 1: has always Make sure to follow us on all social media.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content,

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Speaker 1: and let us know our table Talk is touching your life.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing from You. Can also listen to the

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Speaker 1: Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Thank you ladies, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Zach, Thank you so much, and we just appreciate

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Speaker 1: you being here today. Hey, I'm excited about what God

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Speaker 1: has for you in the day's ahead. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 14: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know when faith meant facing persecution, one family

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Speaker 1: chose courage over silence, and to their story continues to

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Speaker 1: shine a light reminding us that religious freedom is a

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Speaker 1: priceless gift that we must never take for granted. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to that, join me around the table

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Speaker 1: is April Simon's and you have traveled in many parts

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Speaker 1: of the world, which is great, yes, but when you

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Speaker 1: come back to America, you really do understand how blessed

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Speaker 1: we are in practice, so blessed, and the religion that

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Speaker 15: Oh my goodness, it's just we can't take it for granted.

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Speaker 15: And I'm excited about today.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dorothy, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, really good, excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: As always, it's a blessing. I'm glad you're excited, Dorothy.

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Speaker 5: That's good and a kindle always excited.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time you haven't worn in bright

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Speaker 1: color I know in the history of tablet. I know

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Right? I love it beautiful?

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you who did wear a bright color today?

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Speaker 1: Rachel Brown did? How are you doing it?

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Speaker 6: I am good.

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Speaker 7: I'm super excited about our guests today. Have some resident

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Speaker 7: Ozzie's with us or do you know? I love because

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Speaker 7: you know, my whole family is Australian except for me,

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Speaker 7: because all the voice.

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Speaker 1: Yep, so they're half American too.

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Speaker 7: But I'm so grateful for bold voices, courageous voices that

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Speaker 7: aren't afraid to speak the truth. And you know that

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Speaker 7: is so much of our DNA here at day Star.

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Speaker 7: You and Dad have instilled that in us, and so

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Speaker 7: it's awesome to see the next generation are rising and

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Speaker 7: other parts of the world and like minded.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Rebecca lam Wise, are

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm actually really excited for when they When I

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Speaker 6: I was like, yes, this is gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we love great testimonies and boldness and courage.

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Speaker 7: Testimonies are my favorite leading me too, that's your favorite

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Speaker 7: thing too.

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Speaker 8: You can't get a very good customer and there's power, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And our testimonies you're irresistible and you can't argue with

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Speaker 1: what God side, so well, you can't argue with your story.

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Speaker 1: We're so glad today to have Martin and Millicent Cedra

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Speaker 1: welcome to the table.

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 10: To be here.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Surrounded by lots of women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got plenty of masters and yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love it. Okay, Ormonds in the heart of a spiritual

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Speaker 1: war zone. Martin Saidra's father boldly risked everything to preach

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Speaker 1: today Martin and his wife Milicen join us, of course,

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Speaker 1: to share why the Gospel still carries the power to

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Speaker 1: transform lives. And we want to go back and just

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Speaker 1: tell a little bit of your story. You were raised

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Speaker 1: in Egypt. Yeah, yeah, and your parents were Christians in

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Speaker 1: a predominantly Muslim country. And here in America you could

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Speaker 1: be Muslim or Christian or Hindu or whatever, it's not

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Speaker 1: really an issue. But in Egypt, how is it different?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So, Christian family and a Muslim country, Muslim of

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Speaker 16: the majority, and obviously they have the upper hand.

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Speaker 2: Here they don't have the upper hand.

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Speaker 16: That's why you're able to be a Christian, You're able

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Speaker 16: to be a Buddhist and a drama. Wherever Islam takes over,

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Speaker 16: whether it's a state, a city, or a country, that's

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Speaker 16: where they become aggressive. And obviously in Egypt they're aggressive

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Speaker 16: because they're the majority of the population. So if you're

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Speaker 16: a Christian, if you're a past if you preach Christ,

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Speaker 16: they will come after you. Many Christians get killed behead,

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Speaker 16: it's laughtered on each of Sunday, you have ten churches

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Speaker 16: just get blown up just because you're in.

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Speaker 2: A Muslim country.

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Speaker 16: Stial today still today, there was a story of a

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Speaker 16: mother crying because her son literally not beheaded chopped in

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Speaker 16: pieces in front of the church. So this is still

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Speaker 16: happening today all across the world. But the Christians are

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Speaker 16: standing strong.

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Speaker 1: So now I know there are peaceful Muslims, right of course,

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Speaker 1: and then there are more radical So what would you

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Speaker 1: say the percentages like Egypt exactly?

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Speaker 16: So in Egypt, it would probably maybe fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: And there's two things.

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Speaker 16: There's not all Muslims are violent, but all Islam is violent.

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Speaker 16: The truth is there are Muslims and I call them

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Speaker 16: lukewar Muslims. What's a lukewarm Christian and lucum Christian is

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Speaker 16: someone who doesn't follow the Bible. We look at them

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Speaker 16: on like your life doesn't align with the scripture, You're.

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Speaker 2: A lukwon Christian. What's a lukwan Muslim?

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Speaker 16: And luquar Muslim is a peaceful Muslim because your life

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Speaker 16: doesn't a line with the Quran, which a Quran says

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Speaker 16: age war against the Infidel, kill the infidels. So all

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Speaker 16: the peaceful Muslims, I love them and are praying for

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Speaker 16: the salvation. But Islam in general is a religion of

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Speaker 16: violence and terrorism.

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Speaker 8: How many Christians percentage rise would you say are in Egypt?

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Speaker 16: I think so Christianity. Interesting enough, about fourteen hundred years

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Speaker 16: ago Egypt was a Christian nation. Can you believe Egypt

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Speaker 16: was Christian like America? It was Christian like Europe. God

712
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Speaker 16: was moving, Christianity was flowing and prosperous, and obviously Islam

713
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Speaker 16: took over by the sword. They took over and by

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Speaker 16: bit started killing Christians, churches, blowing up, Christians moving out

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Speaker 16: of Egypt. So Christianity probably now is maybe I think

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Speaker 16: you have to check the stat exactly, but it'll be

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Speaker 16: probably in a twenty fifteen percent.

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Speaker 1: How did your dad?

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Speaker 7: I know we're going to tell history, but how did

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Speaker 7: he become a believer?

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Speaker 16: My dad grew up in an orthodox family, so not

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Speaker 16: born again, and then at the age of thirty he

723
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Speaker 16: had a radical encounter with God where he was born

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Speaker 16: again and God really changed his life at the age

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Speaker 16: of thirty, So what happened?

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Speaker 1: Does he tell that story?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: He honestly, I don't really ask him that sort I

729
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Speaker 16: probably should.

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Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, you're right.

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Speaker 16: I want to meet my dad and get every testimony

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Speaker 16: has and write a book about I really do need

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Speaker 16: to do that, and that's one of the things me

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Speaker 16: and my brothers want to do in my sister. But

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Speaker 16: my dad yet, at the age of thirty, was born

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Speaker 16: again and God told him sell your business. He sold

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Speaker 16: his business and started ministry. And he couldn't start a

738
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Speaker 16: church because obviously a lot of persecutions, so he just

739
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Speaker 16: became a traveling preacher and that's how his ministry began.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so talk about what happened with you and your brothers.

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Speaker 1: You may wonder why Martin is so strong in his

742
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: opinion about what he's talking about. It's because he lived

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Speaker 1: in Egypt and he faced persecution and terrorists that tried

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Speaker 1: to kill his family, and so he has a passion

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Speaker 1: in understanding that none of us really, I think, can understand.

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Speaker 1: To talk about what happened as far as with your brothers,

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Speaker 1: that was kind of like a supernatural thing.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So when my dad was preaching to Muslims, obviously

749
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Speaker 16: in the Muslim country, can't preach to Muslims and invert them.

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Speaker 16: If you convert the more of them to Christianity, they

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Speaker 16: die by their family or the Muslim brotherhood, and the

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Speaker 16: pasta dies. So my dad was converting hundreds of Muslims

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Speaker 16: that were getting baptized. God was moving, but he happened

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Speaker 16: to convert a specific woman and he didn't know that

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Speaker 16: her husband was the leader of a Muslim brotherhood group.

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Speaker 16: And she converts to Christianity. She gets baptized. The Muslim

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Speaker 16: brotherhood leader. Her husband finds out and he's furious, who

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Speaker 16: preached to my wife?

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Speaker 2: How dare you convert my wife?

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Speaker 1: Who preached the love of God? And Jesus loves you,

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Speaker 1: and then he forgives you exactly you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: How dare you?

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Speaker 16: How dare you tell them that you don't need to

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Speaker 16: cover yourself like a ninja and you know have to Really,

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Speaker 16: God loves you and you don't need to be oppressed

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Speaker 16: in a Muslim country. God really does care for you.

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Speaker 16: So he comes after us and.

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Speaker 1: Then he loves women, Yes, he loves women.

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Speaker 16: Jesus loved women. He blessed women, the adulterous woman. But really,

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Speaker 16: the Muslim brotherhood came after My brother is wanting to

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Speaker 16: Their plan was to kidnap my brothers a the age

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Speaker 16: of five and nine year old. They had them put

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Speaker 16: them in a bag, send it to my dad's front.

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Speaker 1: Door, so they knew where they went to school.

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Speaker 16: Yep, they've studied us. They've strategy. These guys are professional killers.

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Speaker 16: It's not a joke for them. They've killed politicians, preachers, famous,

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Speaker 16: big people. So five and a nine year old you'd

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Speaker 16: think would be very easy to kill.

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Speaker 1: So what happened there?

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Speaker 16: So they go to the bus stop in a van,

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Speaker 16: two of them, and as they try to get out

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Speaker 16: of the van to kill on my brothers, they feel frozen.

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Speaker 2: An event gets there.

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Speaker 16: My brothers they're just waiting there and they're frozen. They

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Speaker 16: can't get out, and.

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Speaker 1: They try to get out of the car and they're frozen.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, miracles still had. And not only that.

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Speaker 16: Then my brothers get on the van on the bus. Sorry,

790
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Speaker 16: not on the vent, thank god. My brothers get on

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Speaker 16: the school bus. The bus leaves, they unfreeze again. They're

792
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Speaker 16: looking at each other. They're like, you coward, how dare

793
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Speaker 16: you not go? You're scared of a little kid. You cowered.

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Speaker 2: The next day, the boss is angry. He sends two

795
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Speaker 2: bigger men.

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Speaker 16: So these two bigger men go and they this time,

797
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Speaker 16: they get out of the van and they're like, we're

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Speaker 16: going to get them. There right behind my brothers at

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Speaker 16: the age of nine and five. And as they go

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Speaker 16: to kidnap my brothers, they feel a supernatural hand tie

801
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Speaker 16: their hands behind their back.

802
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Speaker 2: They feel both of them feel.

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Speaker 16: A supernatural hand tie their hands behind their back. My

804
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Speaker 16: brothers get on the school bus. The school bus leaves

805
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 16: and unfreeze again.

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Speaker 1: So they're like standing there like that and they can't.

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Speaker 16: Move, they can't see anyone. They don't know what's going on.

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00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 16: The modern Brotherhood leader hears a story and he's what's

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Speaker 16: going on. He goes to my dad's house, knocks on

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Speaker 16: the door, and my dad opens the door. He's like,

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Speaker 16: what's this guy doing here? And he sits with him,

812
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Speaker 16: shares a story.

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Speaker 1: He tells both stories.

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Speaker 2: Yes to your father, that's how we know what happened.

815
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Speaker 2: That's how we know.

816
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Speaker 16: He shares a story and he says, I try to

817
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Speaker 16: kill your kids, but your God protected them and becomes

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Speaker 16: a Christian, is baptized.

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Speaker 2: God moves, so.

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Speaker 16: That's why that's why we're like you know what, in

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Speaker 16: Australia America, we're going to preach the Bible.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst that can happen.

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Speaker 16: I lose some followers, I lose some subscribers, some donors

824
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Speaker 16: who cares. At least I'm not gonna lose my head.

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Speaker 8: What do you think when sharing the Gospel to Muslims?

826
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Speaker 8: What do you think is the way to reach them?

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Speaker 8: In the appeal in Christianity that's different from Islam.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's it's Jesus versus Mohammed. Just compare the life

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Speaker 16: of Muhammad verse the life of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Because the Koran speaks well of Jesus, doesn't make him

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Speaker 1: the son of God. Yes, but he was a healer exactly,

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Speaker 1: and so kind of opens the door right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jesus is in the Koran. They believe in Jesus.

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Speaker 16: Jesus mentioned twenty five times in the Koran. They believe

835
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Speaker 16: in the virgin birth, they believe in healing, that he

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Speaker 16: raised the dead. The one thing they changed, Mohammed is

837
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Speaker 16: a deceiver, he said, Jesus, not God, is a prophet.

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Speaker 16: Jesus wasn't crucified, but Allahs saved him. So we believe

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Speaker 16: Romans ten nine. If you confess with your mouth that

840
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Speaker 16: Jesus's Lord and believing in how they got raised him

841
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Speaker 16: the dead, you will be saved. So Christianity really three things.

842
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 16: Christ is Lord, Christ was crucified, and Christ was resurrected.

843
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Speaker 16: Muhammed comes four hundred years later and says, actually, Jesus

844
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Speaker 16: is not.

845
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Speaker 2: God, he is a prophet. Lie number one.

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Speaker 16: Jesus wasn't crucified, but he escaped death line number two.

847
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Speaker 16: And Jesus wasn't resurrected obviously because he never died. And

848
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Speaker 16: really our job is to prove to the Muslims that

849
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Speaker 16: Jesus is not a prophet, he is the son of God.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was really miraculous that that your dad wasn't

851
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Speaker 1: killed during the years that he is evangelized.

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Speaker 11: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're your brothers?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Hyeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you because you're the youngest, right, yes, me and

857
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Speaker 1: my sister yeah. Okay. So in two thousand and seven

858
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Speaker 1: it got really dangerous yep. And so was there a

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Speaker 1: threat to the family something about it?

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Speaker 16: So address, yes, address was published in Muslim brotherhood newspapers

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Speaker 16: on just all them. Really, the Muslim terrorist groups would

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Speaker 16: know where our address was and so.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, hey, take it down, take them out.

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Speaker 16: There's a bounteer and I had these guys, are you

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Speaker 16: got to take them out? They're like, these guys are

866
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Speaker 16: conferring Muslims. You got to take them out. My dad

867
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Speaker 16: was traveling to America and Australia preaching. My mom was

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Speaker 16: left at home with the kids. It became very, very dangerous,

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Speaker 16: and your dad said what my dad called my mom

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Speaker 16: from Australia say, you got to get out of there.

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Speaker 16: So we packed the bags, we leave that overnight. My

872
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 16: mom and dad didn't tell their parents.

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Speaker 1: Well, they have no idea, like your mom had no idea.

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Speaker 6: They had to get out.

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Speaker 2: They had to getting it out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it was crucial because it was very dangerous

877
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Speaker 1: at that point.

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Speaker 2: Exactly it was.

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Speaker 1: It was why do you remember about that? How old

880
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: were you?

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Speaker 2: I was nine when I moved here.

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Speaker 16: All I remember is my mom saying, guys were going

883
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Speaker 16: on a holiday to thaland I'm like, yes, I can't

884
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Speaker 16: wait for a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit because she couldn't tell us because if at the.

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Speaker 1: Airport, are you pack in your bathing suit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready, I'm packing my bathing suit. Next minute

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Speaker 2: we're in a Stralia. I'm my mom, when are we

889
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: going home? She's like, we're not. I'm like what, So

890
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: it's you left.

891
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: The house, We left the house, business family.

892
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 6: Everything are you seeing at the airport?

893
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: At the airport, my mom the strategy was.

894
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Now, this is really smart. Did she come up with

895
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: this idea?

896
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: That was her idea? My mom?

897
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 16: Yeah, So my dad is a bold man and my

898
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 16: mom is a courageous boldline as well. She so my mom,

899
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 16: she's very sure. I have there's a photo on the

900
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 16: screen of her sometimes, but she's she's a bold line.

901
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 16: She decided all right at the airport, they knew they

902
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 16: were going to ask us, what are guys doing? So

903
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 16: in Christianity, we have a cross tattoo on our arm,

904
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 16: which every move than when they see that.

905
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: Like, oh and I got that at the age of one.

906
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 16: By the way, just every Christian baby in Egypt, at

907
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 16: the age of one, you get across tattooed because Muslims

908
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 16: used to kidnap Christian kids from the Christian parents and

909
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 16: raise them up in a Muslim family.

910
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: So we used to get this.

911
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 16: So that means if we get kidnapped, we grow up

912
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 16: and be like, oh, I'm a Christian I belong to

913
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 16: christ So at the airbield, Yes, at the airport when

914
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 16: if they found out we're Christians, they would say, oh,

915
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 16: you're trying to escape the country.

916
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: So the plan was.

917
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 16: The plan was, will buy a lot of instruments and

918
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 16: we're going to tell them we're just going to perform

919
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 16: a musical and we're coming back.

920
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: So I had a piano.

921
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 16: You know, you cover you No, Well, it's as long

922
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 16: as they don't think you're escaping the country. So we

923
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 16: just had to make sure they know we're going we're

924
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 16: coming back. Don't worry, We're not escaping the country.

925
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: But you would have been in trouble if they had said, Okay,

926
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: come over here perform.

927
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: Good luck. Thank god didn't ask.

928
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 16: We get through the border, we checked the instruments out

929
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 16: and the rest has got to be the glory.

930
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

931
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: Was there any retribution from any of your family members

932
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: that were left behind that threats and stuff?

933
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 16: And I don't think, Well, the only people kind of

934
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 16: behind were our grandparents, which I don't think, so I

935
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 16: don't think there was any drama there. The brother, my

936
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 16: mom's brother, took care of her, so there was no

937
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 16: drama there.

938
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: But my parents the pain, the sacrifice of my parents were.

939
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: They never got to say by to their parents.

940
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 16: Oh, that was an Abrahamic moment where God says, leave

941
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 16: your father and mother, yes, and go to a nation

942
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 16: I will call you to. So that was my mom

943
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 16: and dad got the sacrifice. They didn't get to attend

944
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 16: a funeral, they didn't get say bye. So yeah, okay, so.

945
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: You ended up in Australia. Yeah, and what'd you think?

946
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 11: Yeah?

947
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: And what did you do? What'd your dad do? He

948
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: left everything behind?

949
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, so start all over again.

950
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 16: We were living with you know Christian families, just in

951
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 16: their house in the living room. We're living there for

952
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 16: a bit about a year until you know, my parents

953
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 16: were able to get you know, a job. My parents

954
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 16: sacrificed a lot to get us to where we are now.

955
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 16: They got a job wherever they could get until we're

956
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 16: able to rent a house. And God, really, as you said,

957
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 16: from you know, refugee to Revival, that's really what God

958
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 16: did with our story. It's God doesn't lose at the

959
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 16: end of the day. God does not lose. God is

960
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 16: always victorious. God would never lose. And this is what

961
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 16: the wasn't brotherhood in Egypt will now be hearing our

962
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 16: story and they'll be furious. We wanted to destroy them,

963
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 16: exactly what Joseph said, you plan to destroy me, But

964
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 16: God turned out for good and that's what.

965
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: God did, or glory to God.

966
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 16: And we're speaking now against Islam. We're warning America against

967
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 16: Islam coming.

968
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Here with Sharia law. So glory to God.

969
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: We're seeing happen right now in Europe, especially in Wendy.

970
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Also in the US. Yeah, in that one place I

971
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: can't remember, in London.

972
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: It is real life, very bad Islam.

973
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 16: So the problem was the problem with Islam Michigan when yeah, exactly.

974
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 16: So the problem with Islam when Islam moves to a country,

975
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 16: they're not here. Some people are here for refuge, but

976
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 16: most of Muslims are not here for refuge.

977
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: They're here to take over the country.

978
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 16: They're commanded under Islam to take conquest and move to

979
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 16: a nation that doesn't know Islam and make it a

980
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 16: Muslim country. And this is the problem. How do you

981
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 16: know this. I'm a Christian immigrant, but when I moved

982
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 16: to Australia, I love my country. I have a flag

983
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 16: in my office of the Australian flag. I love my country.

984
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 16: I back my country. What did Muslims do when they

985
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 16: move to America? They want to burn the American flag,

986
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 16: They want to bring Sharia law, they want to take over,

987
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 16: they want to shut down church.

988
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait a second.

989
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 16: You move from a Muslim country to a Christian country,

990
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 16: only they want to bring the Sharia law of your

991
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 16: country into the Christian concept. This is crazy you you literally,

992
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 16: So this is the problem. Muslims love the Lessing of Christianity,

993
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 16: but they hate Christianity. They love Christian nations, but they

994
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 16: hate the God of that nation. And this is what's

995
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 16: fascinating to me. I moved to a Christian nation seeking protection.

996
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 16: They move here and say, I hate America. But why

997
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 16: do you hear them?

998
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: But what happens when they hear the Gospel with an

999
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: open heart? And that's your desire exactly see truth and

1000
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: light exactly come into the Muslim word.

1001
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 16: Amen, and you love them, Amen, exactly. We have two

1002
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 16: goals when it comes to Islam. Number one, I want

1003
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 16: to love the Muslim I want the Muslims to come

1004
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 16: to Christ God.

1005
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: I believe this.

1006
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 16: When the Muslims wear a burka and a woman are

1007
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 16: covering their eyes, I don't just believe that's a natural thing.

1008
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 16: I believe that's a spiritual thing. They are spiritually blinded

1009
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 16: from seeing Christ. I'm telling you this is a demonic oppression,

1010
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 16: not just physically, it's a spiritual covering on their eyes

1011
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 16: and not see Christ. So I'm praying that the Muslim

1012
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 16: ladies would be set free and come to Christ.

1013
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like places like I've been to the

1014
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: United Arab Immirates, and of course I think I saw

1015
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: the burkers in the more covering on women than any

1016
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: other place I've ever been. But you still see, yeah,

1017
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: the Muslims interacting and being more peaceful in some countries

1018
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: than others. Explain that.

1019
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 16: Yeah, so this is the thing. It's it's Islam is

1020
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 16: a religion made by man for men. Why you get

1021
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 16: to have four wives as a man. You can have

1022
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 16: four wives as a man. When you get to having

1023
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 16: you get seventy two virgins. As a man, you can beat.

1024
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: Your wife up.

1025
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 16: Muhammed says, beat your wife up if you need to.

1026
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 16: But for Muslims, for a woman, it's not a religion

1027
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 16: of freedom for women.

1028
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Women have to cover themselves.

1029
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 16: In Afghanistan, they just passed the law women can't speak

1030
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 16: in public, they can't sing in public.

1031
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: They've got to cover their eyes. So Christian.

1032
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 16: Sorry, Muslim men are free in Muslim nations, but Muslim

1033
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 16: women are not free in Muslim nations. The real, the

1034
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 16: real victim here is not the men. It's the women

1035
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 16: and children underage marriage. Muhammad married a six year old

1036
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 16: and slept with her at the age of nine. Now

1037
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 16: in Afghanistan they allow marriage up to the age of nine.

1038
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 16: So the real victims of Islam is women and children.

1039
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, let's talk a little bit how this woman

1040
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: came into your life.

1041
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: Thank god she came to my life.

1042
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad the USA.

1043
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, we met church.

1044
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: It was a conference.

1045
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: You met in church long ago. You were actually was thirteen.

1046
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: You were thirteen years old. We were both thirteen. Yeah, oh,

1047
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: you tell the story. What happened.

1048
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: Well, he was up in church preaching at thirteen eighteen

1049
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: in the same way that you guys would see him

1050
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: today on social media, so bold, in.

1051
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: The same way right here at the table.

1052
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 4: Straight out of Egypt, streets Australia, passionately preaching and straight

1053
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: away I was like, yeah, I want to marry that

1054
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: man because I want to do ministry.

1055
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 16: I want a man that I opened her Bible and

1056
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 16: I had all their rainbow colors in the way in

1057
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 16: the holllighting right, and I was like, that's my wife.

1058
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So did you actually talk to her when she

1059
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: was thirteen?

1060
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: I think we just liked each other from a distant said.

1061
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: High and we went to differ in churches. So I

1062
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: just made sure I came to his church.

1063
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: Like so the year when you were fourteen, so I

1064
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: went one time, and when you were fifteen you went.

1065
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 6: When did you all start dating?

1066
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Eighteen eighteen?

1067
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 6: I was allowed to date before eighteen.

1068
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: My parents were Yeah, they were Christian.

1069
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, And how did he approach you when he was interested?

1070
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we had talked, but then basically we messed.

1071
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 4: We've been messaging, floating a little bit, and then.

1072
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: You've been messaging a little bit a little bit in

1073
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: what way tells more of that story? Like that's he's saying,

1074
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I just want to send you this devotion today, and yeah.

1075
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 16: I was like probably thirty one. Yeah, I was a

1076
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 16: very emotional man.

1077
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: So I love you? No, I did say I love you.

1078
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Don't say that before you date.

1079
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 11: Oh we did.

1080
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: I think we're just flirted, you know, all the floirty stuff.

1081
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 11: I can't remember, but I do remember you.

1082
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: You messed your first message to me ever, I was

1083
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: on Instagram and you said, what's your number?

1084
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 6: Qu gounbar?

1085
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 16: I remember, I got her.

1086
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: She sent me the number my number, And then at eighteen,

1087
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 4: we went on a date because actually your your.

1088
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 16: Dad kind of yeah, my dad told me you can't

1089
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 16: keep awaiting. My dad just it was like, you're flirting

1090
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 16: with her and you're.

1091
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: Taking you're taking too long.

1092
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1093
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 16: He was like, make a decision either either flirting with

1094
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 16: her marry her.

1095
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was her done so and then you you.

1096
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 11: Went on a date.

1097
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: When happened on the date you're moving too fair?

1098
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a restaurant. We sat down, we talked.

1099
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: You talked about you felt the call of God in

1100
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 4: your life to go preach around the world, and he said, look,

1101
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 4: we don't know what country will be in. He said,

1102
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 4: you might not never own a house.

1103
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 6: I might be rich, I might be poor.

1104
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 4: I don't know, but this is the call of God

1105
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 4: in my life. So I'm just warning you.

1106
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Speaker 6: And you said, will you prepare for marriage with me?

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Speaker 8: Wait?

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Speaker 1: Wait, and what did you say to that?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 11: Ready? Because you've been.

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Speaker 1: Waiting five years yet.

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Speaker 4: See, I had come home from a camp when we'd

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Speaker 4: really like i'd really I came home and I told

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Speaker 4: want your parents think they thought I was crazy?

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Speaker 7: Wait age did y'all get married?

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Speaker 16: We got married very long at twenty twenty, so we

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, we got married very young.

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Speaker 16: I just didn't want to waste time. I was like,

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Speaker 16: you know what, it's either going to We dated for

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Speaker 16: a year and a half. You know, it calculates, make

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Speaker 16: sure we're compatible, working for you know, we're chemistry and

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Speaker 16: all that stuff and theology and values.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, let's let's get married. Let's get that.

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Speaker 2: Let's get the ring on her finger and the ring

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Speaker 8: I feel like it's commendable though, that you sat he

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Speaker 6: What was like in your heart? You just felt that call?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I had grown up all my life feeling

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Speaker 4: the same call of God in my life. I knew

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Speaker 4: that my life would I didn't know how it would look.

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Speaker 4: All I knew is I'm going to be obedient to

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Speaker 4: wherever God sends me, and I will say whatever he

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Speaker 4: And so I was all I was looking for in

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Speaker 4: a husband was someone that would do that call of God.

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Speaker 1: You love the passion that you saw, I.

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Speaker 6: Love the passion.

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Speaker 4: Well, I come from Australia, and in Australia it's quite lukewarm.

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Speaker 4: Where we come from. Preachers are very, very scared of

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Speaker 4: losing followers, of losing church attendees, of losing tithing.

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Speaker 6: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 4: And when I saw somebody who, unlike what I had

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Speaker 4: been exposed to in the church, that was willing to

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Speaker 4: lose their life for the sake of the God, for

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Speaker 4: the sake of truth, I was like, I like that fire,

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Speaker 4: like that passion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we'll tell us about Echo Church. What kind

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Speaker 1: of people go to Echo Church? We have you radical,

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Speaker 1: radical young people.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we have people say you guys are hateful and nobody.

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Speaker 16: You guys are offending everyone. And it's true, we do

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Speaker 16: offend a lot of people. But our church is the

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Speaker 16: most multicultural church you'll ever see. We have Chinese brigils,

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Speaker 16: we have every type of person you can think of

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Speaker 16: comped our church and only that we have Muslims get

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Speaker 16: saved in our church. We had a few momstoms get saved.

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Speaker 16: A few months ago, we get people come from the

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Speaker 16: LGBTQ movement. A guy came in our church in address

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Speaker 16: the makeup nail polish and he heard.

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Speaker 1: Us so many anybody was welcome, and he was, well, of.

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Speaker 2: Course we love you. We're not, we're not. This is

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Speaker 2: the problem.

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Speaker 16: When you preach a truth, people think it's hateful. The

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Speaker 16: most loving thing you can do is preacher truth. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: I love you enough to tell you that you're on

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Speaker 16: your way to help, but God can save you.

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Speaker 2: Preachers that don't tell you you're going to hell are the

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Speaker 2: most unloving.

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Speaker 16: I love you enough to tell you. And this young

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Speaker 16: man got saved in our church two months later. Are

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Speaker 16: dressed like a man, acted like a man, and was

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Speaker 16: at the front of our article on his knees weeping.

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Speaker 16: And now it's serving in the House of God. They're building,

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Speaker 16: they're in turning in our church midweek.

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Speaker 2: They're building church. God moves, you know.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing that's missing from the Word of

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Speaker 1: God is our opinion. Yeah, so when we share truths

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Speaker 1: from the Word of God, it's because we love you.

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Speaker 1: I've shared so many incredible testimony of men and women

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Speaker 1: that have that have come out of different lifestyles and

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Speaker 1: it's their story, Okay. And I always say that for

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Speaker 1: those watching that you may be struggling with whatever, that

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Speaker 1: you have to understand that as we speak the truth

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Speaker 1: and love, because you can't just do love without truth.

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Speaker 1: As you speak speak the truth and love that on

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Speaker 1: the other side of it, God has something so great

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Speaker 1: for you. And so if you really love someone, you

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Speaker 1: want them to walk in all that God has for them.

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Speaker 1: Now you understand how much He loves, he loves you

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Speaker 1: and that He has purpose for you. And so again

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Speaker 1: for those churches that would be like, oh, we're just

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Speaker 1: going to love, We're not going to we're not going

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Speaker 1: to speak truth, then you're not going to really you

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Speaker 1: don't really.

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Speaker 15: Love people, right, exactly, exactly true. And I'm interested to

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Speaker 15: know what does echo church do differently to attract a Muslim?

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Speaker 15: You speak the truth, how do you attract a Muslim?

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Speaker 15: What makes them come?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Well, the good thing in the West of Muslims have

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Speaker 16: a lot more freedom to come to a church than

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Speaker 16: in you know, in the Middle East. I was just

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Speaker 16: in Indonesia preaching and as I was preaching, there was

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Speaker 16: literally a lady in a head job who's a Christian,

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Speaker 16: but she can't take care of a job of because

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Speaker 16: she's in a Muslim country. The good news in Australia,

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Speaker 16: if you're a Muslim you want to come to christ

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Speaker 16: you can. There is there's still space for you to

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Speaker 16: do that. So and we preach a lot about Islam,

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Speaker 16: but we're not we're not counting back on to the Bible.

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Speaker 16: We're not counting back. Whatever God tells us to preach,

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Speaker 16: We're going to preach.

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Speaker 1: And Christianity is the is the only religion where God

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Speaker 1: gave his son. Yes, salvation is by grace and it's

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Speaker 1: so powerful. Before we go, Martin, would you just take

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Speaker 1: a moment and lead us in a sinner's prayer, especially

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Speaker 1: for those who may be watching. Just take just a

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Speaker 1: moment and share the gospel or out of time. But

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Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't do this, and

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Speaker 1: we will repeat after you if you'll.

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Speaker 16: Just do that, Yes, would you pray with me, dear

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Speaker 16: Lord Jesus, Jesus, I repent of my sin. I turned

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Speaker 16: to you as King of kings and Lord of lords.

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Speaker 16: I believe you died in the cross to wash me

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Speaker 16: of my sins. I believe you rose again so I

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Speaker 16: can rise again. Lord, I'll make you king of my life.

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Speaker 16: Wash me by your precious blood in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, Amen Amen.

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Speaker 1: It's really that simple, The most important prayer that you

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Speaker 1: will ever prayer pray. I mentioned about my grandfather who

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about God or church or he just,

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Speaker 1: at nineteen years old cried out to the Lord at

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Speaker 1: work water Fountain on Monday morning, just said God, if

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Speaker 1: you're there, I need you. And God met him and

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Speaker 1: he'll do the same thing for you. The illnesses again,

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Speaker 1: is not on us to prove who he is. God

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Speaker 1: is big enough to prove who he is. He will

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Speaker 1: reveal himself to you. If you say, God, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe I've been believing this or I've been over here,

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Speaker 1: but I really want to know the truth, reveal yourself

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Speaker 1: to me. He will. Okay, well, we are out of time,

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Speaker 1: but I don't you remember that God handpicked you, every

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Speaker 1: one of us, really to be light in darkness, and

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Speaker 1: you were born for such a time as this, and

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Speaker 1: His power working through you can make such a difference

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Speaker 1: in all he needs is your yes. I love their

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Speaker 1: courage and their fervor for Martin and Milicent today and

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Speaker 1: it's exciting to see that because when you really surrender

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Speaker 1: your life totally and holy to the Lord, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: when you connect with the one who created you what

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Speaker 1: he he has on the inside of you that you

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Speaker 1: may not even know about. And that's what he's wanting

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Speaker 1: to do for some of you. Some of you are

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Speaker 1: even Christians that you're watching, but you haven't really surrendered

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Speaker 1: everything to God. And God is saying, hey, I want

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Speaker 1: it all because I want to use you in this time,

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Speaker 1: in this season. And there are people around you that

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Speaker 1: you can reach that no one else can reach. And

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Speaker 1: eternity is a long time and Jesus paid.

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Speaker 6: The price that we can have eternal life.

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Speaker 1: It's so powerful. Why would you ever not accept that

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Speaker 1: free gift of salvation. Well, if you're watching today and

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Speaker 1: you need prayer, that's why the prayer line numbers on

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Speaker 1: the screen. If you prayed that prayer with Martin, we'd

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Speaker 1: love for you to call. We don't want anything from you,

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Speaker 1: but we will send you the Book of John. That's

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Speaker 1: a great place to start. There are QR codes after

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Speaker 1: every chapter, and doctor Jen Getz explains every chapter in

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Speaker 1: the Book of John is a great place to start,

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Speaker 1: and we'll send that to you absolutely free. Or if

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Speaker 1: you just need prayer today, that's why we're here, call

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Speaker 1: that number. Let us pray with you. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank Martin and Milicen for joining us today. For more

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Speaker 1: you can visit them online at Echo Church Global dot com.

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Speaker 1: You're available to preach around the world. He's going to

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Speaker 1: come in with some fire, so if that's what you

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Speaker 1: want and some truth, what a blessing he could be.

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Speaker 1: I love. This is the second evangelist we've had this week.

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Speaker 6: Evangelist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and your dad was an evangelist, both of you

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Speaker 1: and so as always, make sure to follow us on

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Speaker 1: is touching your life. We love hearing from all of you.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you can also listen to the Johnny Table

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Speaker 1: Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for watching. Thank you Martin, thank you Melissa,

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Speaker 1: were proud of you. Carry on, as they would say

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Speaker 1: in London, carry on and thank you ladies. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. God bless you. Continue to call today.

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