Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is nick
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Well, there's no song on Monday, right,
Speaker 1: I do not walk through here. It's not a victory Monday.
Speaker 1: It is a cold, rainy, depressing Monday for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys after thirty one twenty eight lost to the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers at once again, strange things happen at lambeau
Speaker 1: Field when this team goes there to play. We allowed
Speaker 1: it to happen. We were strange and not only did
Speaker 1: the Cowboys let one get away, we lost Bill Jones
Speaker 1: also man in the interim with Bill's Bill's uh, he's
Speaker 1: being looked at by the trainers. The trainers got him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a professional broadcaster, you can't have
Speaker 1: anything wrong with your voice. I put him on the
Speaker 1: publist or something. But you might have had the tweet
Speaker 1: of the day yesterday after the game when Bill said
Speaker 1: he was sick and you tweeted out what did I say? Um?
Speaker 1: You tweeted out said, damn, I've heard of a game
Speaker 1: making you sick. But and I just left it. And
Speaker 1: that game made a lot of people sick that follow
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. And so we'll carry on here, uh
Speaker 1: in the SWBC podcast studio with myself and Everson the
Speaker 1: best we can. And I would imagine at some point,
Speaker 1: U Nate, if the weather does and hold him up,
Speaker 1: we'll poke his head in. We can't get rid of him.
Speaker 1: And now we don't. Yeah, yeah, now where's Nate? Right?
Speaker 1: But anyway, we got so much to talk about, so
Speaker 1: let's start here. Just give me your general observation of
Speaker 1: this loss. That boy they let one get away. You know,
Speaker 1: what I saw was what happens when you have a
Speaker 1: quarterback that is not in tune with his wide receivers
Speaker 1: and how delicate a passing game can be. We talked
Speaker 1: about it with Rodgers, how he has you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know where to blame the quarterback or the receivers.
Speaker 1: With Aaron Rodgers, they talked about the fact that Watson's
Speaker 1: dropping all these passes and that's the reason that the
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is having this kind of year that these have.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it bleeds over into
Speaker 1: so many other things it can. It's like a domino effect.
Speaker 1: You start off with the problem there and it just
Speaker 1: bleeds his way all the way down. Coupled with the
Speaker 1: fact that what we talked about last week our inability
Speaker 1: to stop the run. You can have the greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: in the world. You and your wide receiver can mess
Speaker 1: up as many times as they want to, but you've
Speaker 1: got a defense that's going to right the ship. That's
Speaker 1: how teams win games, that's how championships are one one
Speaker 1: one player or one fast of the game takes up
Speaker 1: for the other or uplifts the other team. And right
Speaker 1: now we've got we're juggling on who we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: who we're gonna depend on, what what? What's fast of
Speaker 1: our game? Are we going to play too? Are we
Speaker 1: going to play to our defense, Are we going to
Speaker 1: play to our running game? Are we going to play
Speaker 1: to our play action passes? We've got to figure out
Speaker 1: which one's gonna work. Because you look at all of
Speaker 1: those games yesterday, and I watched almost all of them,
Speaker 1: there is no perfect remedy for any team at this point.
Speaker 1: You saw Buffalo blow it you saw Minnesota try to
Speaker 1: blow it, but they couldn't do it. Buffalo kept giving
Speaker 1: it back to him. I was so bad they took
Speaker 1: it off the air. It was crazy. So when you
Speaker 1: start talking about how dynamic these games were, first of all,
Speaker 1: it was very exciting, of course for the Cowboys, very frustrating.
Speaker 1: But what you also saw was, man, this is just
Speaker 1: this is the NFL, you know. And when this all said,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you look like right now. I
Speaker 1: said it last week week before that this season is
Speaker 1: going to have so many twists interns that it's gonna
Speaker 1: make your head spin. Well, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: heads spinning all over the league, especially here. And I
Speaker 1: think Everson hit the nail right on the head that
Speaker 1: if you couldnot play the run any better than what
Speaker 1: they've been playing here for the last couple of games,
Speaker 1: three four games, it compromises everything help you try to do.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it, and okay, maybe the Bears
Speaker 1: was one of those things. You know, they had a
Speaker 1: quarterback that ran the ball ourself. And then do you
Speaker 1: come in against the Packers team having lost five straight,
Speaker 1: having a three and six record, they're hanging on by
Speaker 1: tooth and nail right and and and I thought the
Speaker 1: the key thing, and one of the coaches said this
Speaker 1: before the game to me, that we just got a
Speaker 1: start fast, put them away and don't let them hang
Speaker 1: around and think, oh, we can do this. And sure
Speaker 1: enough they did it. But the big thing the Packers
Speaker 1: ran for two hundred and seven yards two hundred seven
Speaker 1: yards and seeing what happens is that their their secondary
Speaker 1: got compromised right away when they lost Anthony Brown to
Speaker 1: a concussion on the fifty eight yard touchdown pass that
Speaker 1: Rogers through the of all people, Watson, the same guy.
Speaker 1: I believe that was the last word we said when
Speaker 1: we left here on Friday, is that Watson couldn't catch.
Speaker 1: We debated why the Cowboys or any other team didn't
Speaker 1: draft him higher, and it was because he dropped the ball,
Speaker 1: and he had a couple drops early in the game, right,
Speaker 1: and then that happens, and it you know, and it
Speaker 1: was a perfect pass, nice catch by Watson, and Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown basically was like, well, I'm just gonna tackle him,
Speaker 1: and then he couldn't tackle and ends up with a concussion.
Speaker 1: He actually was in the middle of making a play,
Speaker 1: stripping him up the ball and trying to tackle him, right,
Speaker 1: And so I've been there before. Once you're in that position,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the hell you do. You a beat,
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, you're a beat. And and so what
Speaker 1: happens is you're already down, Nate Newton, thanks for stepping in.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Uh, they're already down, Jordan Lewis. So
Speaker 1: you got a rookie starting in the slot, durn Bland,
Speaker 1: and then you lose Brown and now you're forced to
Speaker 1: bring in Kelvin Joseph. And I'll guarantee you when Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers saw that, his eyes lit up and going, I
Speaker 1: know where I'm going with the ball. And so now
Speaker 1: you you you would like to load up against the run, right,
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys, you know, they went single safety high
Speaker 1: and now you've leaven all these guys in single coverage. Well,
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be good enough to cover them. Well. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: when you don't have one of your starting guys in there,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have some problems. And that's whether you
Speaker 1: play man those zones right, and so not being able
Speaker 1: to run the football or stop the run, I should
Speaker 1: say it just it causes so many different decisions, probably
Speaker 1: including in overtime. Right you're you're you're saying, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't settle for a field goal here because we're not
Speaker 1: doing a very good job of stopping them. And they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have settled for a field goal because he would
Speaker 1: have never got it there from fifty And we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. I'll tell you, Nate, thanks for stopping, and
Speaker 1: I'll let you have after asking him to join it.
Speaker 1: I'll let you have a word here or two. Oh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it can't tinue to talk. No, I want to hear
Speaker 1: from you. I want you here because I wanted to
Speaker 1: hear what you were thinking, because we are at our
Speaker 1: wits end. Over here, man, go ahead, So no, I
Speaker 1: want to nobody's kicker. Okay. So, if if you were
Speaker 1: watching the game, the win wasn't that strong, but there
Speaker 1: was wind, and you saw what happened when Mason craws
Speaker 1: Be tried kicking that direction. That was the ugliest looking
Speaker 1: field goal I ever seen. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: going on. It was cold and the balls were hard,
Speaker 1: like real hard. You saw when they cut away to
Speaker 1: mar trying to warm up his But the wind shifted
Speaker 1: just a little bit. And if you watched and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was mar or the conditions, but
Speaker 1: if you watched the kickoffs, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: guy that hits a touchback every kick, now the ball
Speaker 1: was landing at the goal line, while the ball was
Speaker 1: landing at the five, and then it landed at the ten,
Speaker 1: and I think one of them ended up at around
Speaker 1: the thirteen yard line, and he couldn't get the ball
Speaker 1: to the end zone. So there was no way he's
Speaker 1: making a fifteen. I don't I have no confidence in
Speaker 1: the world that he could have got it there. And
Speaker 1: then on top of that, in that two play sequence,
Speaker 1: when it third and three and you already had in
Speaker 1: your mind this is four down territory, Well do you
Speaker 1: run the ball twice? I mean, if it's the second guess,
Speaker 1: I understand the second guess. So but it all the
Speaker 1: second going for it was, you know, facilitated by we
Speaker 1: can't kick a field goal because they're going to come
Speaker 1: down and score a touchdown the way they're moving the ball,
Speaker 1: because we can't stop the run. And it's got to
Speaker 1: get fixed. Because what do you think Minnesota's thinking right now?
Speaker 1: They ran for one hundred and forty seven yards against
Speaker 1: a Buffalo defense that was supposed to be good, including
Speaker 1: Cook for one hundred and seventeen eighty one yard touchdown run.
Speaker 1: He's licking his chops right now. So I think that
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with all the other things
Speaker 1: that happened in this game, including including the Cowboys' ability
Speaker 1: to overcome those early interceptions to take a fourteen point lead,
Speaker 1: you know, heading into the fourth quarter. Man, here they
Speaker 1: are with a loss that should have never happened. Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing. We're doing good? Good, Daniel. I
Speaker 1: got two three shows today, three, Yeah, I got this
Speaker 1: one here everybody. No, No, I'm just I'm just that
Speaker 1: guy that had just come in because he won't stop
Speaker 1: talking that, yeah, I won't stop talking. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I like to on a day like this, I
Speaker 1: like to hear everybody's show, you know. You know, you guys,
Speaker 1: I listen to y'all every day, and I just like
Speaker 1: to hear everybody's show and see what we're saying that
Speaker 1: you know, and that basically everybody's saying the same. But
Speaker 1: I want to apologize to coach McCarthy, I really do,
Speaker 1: because what you're saying, and it's so correct about the kicker,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, I was coach emotional and
Speaker 1: going forward, but he uh, the kicker. I realized, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's not getting him an end zone to day, he's
Speaker 1: not look at this field, go and look how he's
Speaker 1: warming up his foot. So, uh, I apologize to you,
Speaker 1: Coach mccarthur, because I was like, man, what you emotional?
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna win this? Yeah, and uh and so.
Speaker 1: But other than that, that's my last. Uh, that's my
Speaker 1: last apology, and he's the only one that's getting it
Speaker 1: the rest of him. No, sir, no sir, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: this is what bothers me. This is what bothers me is.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, you ran a wrong route and it
Speaker 1: then't cost us. Two weeks later, you run a wrong
Speaker 1: route and we could have been up by twenty one
Speaker 1: even more probably if guys understand every point counts. We
Speaker 1: ex players and a guy that's been over thirty forty
Speaker 1: years of reporting football among other sports, if we know,
Speaker 1: I listened to every show and to a man and
Speaker 1: a woman that does these podcasts, say, if they ever
Speaker 1: get it right, Aaron Rodgers can kill you. We My
Speaker 1: thing is this. On my show, we got a guy
Speaker 1: that says I'm waiting for the playoffs. No, sir, you
Speaker 1: don't have to wait to the playoffs. What team have
Speaker 1: we beat with a healthy, good quarterback in a running
Speaker 1: game in the last five years. I'll talk about a
Speaker 1: healthy quarterback that's good in a running game. We have
Speaker 1: not addressed as fellas. Michael Parson said last night on
Speaker 1: his show, Well the post came. I'm sorry, hey, if
Speaker 1: we just staying our gaps with squitch trying to rush
Speaker 1: the passer. But Michael, you're the leader. You're got to
Speaker 1: do what you say, get in your gap, stop the run,
Speaker 1: and demand that everybody else does because if we if
Speaker 1: we know Quinn Quinn is saying a thousand fellas, we
Speaker 1: gotta get in our gaps. We gotta address this when
Speaker 1: the team comes out and go look at the film
Speaker 1: and hooks first or left. He hooked number ninety two first,
Speaker 1: then they went over there hooked number ninety and they
Speaker 1: did it three or four times in a row until
Speaker 1: we finally stopped at one time, and then they went
Speaker 1: up the middle. I said to my so, the way
Speaker 1: this look fellas, we find to go about one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards. I was off by fifty seven. Gave no,
Speaker 1: you're you're exactly right, And it's not like they were.
Speaker 1: It was sneaky. They came out with two tight ends
Speaker 1: and said we're running the ball now, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make an adjustment. I understand the gap and stuff,
Speaker 1: but when they're in two tight ends, three safeties on
Speaker 1: the field may not do it. You might need three linebackers.
Speaker 1: You don't have it, well, I think I think, well
Speaker 1: with Bar, I know he was out. We don't with
Speaker 1: Bar there. You have Barr Parsons in Vanderish. You don't
Speaker 1: have three linebackers. Well, you gotta get you gotta get bigger,
Speaker 1: because the skinny safety is not helping you in the
Speaker 1: I don't care how dynamic he is, scaler, skinny safety
Speaker 1: compared to the offensive lineman coming out there bowling over Mick.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it one more time. We don't have
Speaker 1: three lines. Well, they better get the moan Clark on
Speaker 1: the field then and get him ready to go. But
Speaker 1: tell you something, Boss, tell you something, Mick. We better
Speaker 1: address down lineman and understand this ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the coach. This got something to do with
Speaker 1: do you want to stop the run? Are you going
Speaker 1: to give it your all in all to stop the run?
Speaker 1: Even with Michael Parsons that linebacker, he's getting caught up
Speaker 1: because I said this at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: I said this during the year. You gotta let him
Speaker 1: play linebacker, not just because you can move him around.
Speaker 1: You don't want him to lose his instincts. He was
Speaker 1: getting caught into weird spots. He was as a rookie.
Speaker 1: He was coming and he was learning. But you put
Speaker 1: him at that defensive vent out of necessity, you you
Speaker 1: can learn, you can lose a liberty skill set moving
Speaker 1: around like that. And he was kind of in no
Speaker 1: no land. So you got to make up your mind.
Speaker 1: Is he good enough at this point to play both
Speaker 1: or is he the defensive in now? Or is he
Speaker 1: going to let him play enough linebacker so you can
Speaker 1: keep his skills since starts seeing things, yeah, seeing him
Speaker 1: And they sprung one run and it was a significant
Speaker 1: point in the game where they they took they let
Speaker 1: the the right defensive land and right tackle. They pushed
Speaker 1: them to the outside right and then here comes the
Speaker 1: running back and I'm looking at I'm going, well, Parson's
Speaker 1: gonna fill the hole, and oh no, Big seventy one
Speaker 1: was not touched their center and he comes and now
Speaker 1: what's persons two fifty to three fifty? Who wins? That
Speaker 1: kicked him out? And then on top of it, and
Speaker 1: I thought they were supposed to be calling this, the
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the slot cracked back on the slot
Speaker 1: corner who was coming in to make the tackle, and
Speaker 1: he shoved him from behind. And that's when Jones went
Speaker 1: for like seventeen or eighteen yards on a on a
Speaker 1: significant play. I'm gonna tell you something. You're gonna You're
Speaker 1: gonna get plays like that that are being missed by
Speaker 1: the refs. They're gonna see it all what what we
Speaker 1: have to do. And I promise you, if you don't
Speaker 1: do it during the regular season, it's not gonna turn
Speaker 1: on doing or you're not gonna get to the play.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I've been preaching on every show
Speaker 1: that I've been on. Y'all know we four games behind Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: well three if they win tonight, well they beat them.
Speaker 1: I get you, yeah, but you gotta play them. I
Speaker 1: know you don't if you lose two more games. You
Speaker 1: might as well. You're you're in third place in a division.
Speaker 1: It's hard to explain, but we had the same problem
Speaker 1: going into the bye, the same problem coming out of
Speaker 1: the buy our wide receivers that either has too It's
Speaker 1: two options here. This is what I call it Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson option, the Coach Landry option, and he was his
Speaker 1: own offensive coordinator, Coach Landry. We're either not gonna throw
Speaker 1: that route anymore. We're gonna make sure that this player
Speaker 1: don't run that route. You're not gonna stop running the
Speaker 1: route because it helps you keep your offense wide open.
Speaker 1: A excuse me? What what for? The in slept seem
Speaker 1: should never ever run that route again unless you rep
Speaker 1: it thirty times. In practice, he should never run that
Speaker 1: route again. It's the simplest rule of wide red. Not
Speaker 1: get cut off. You cannot cannot cut you. You gotta
Speaker 1: go off face. Yeah, I got highlight wheels doing that.
Speaker 1: You can't let them cut you off. You can't cut
Speaker 1: behind the guy. You can't. There's no top the balls.
Speaker 1: I'm already here. I'm already here. Yeah, I can't change
Speaker 1: it now. And if I do, the worst things happened
Speaker 1: because we're proving that in the past. If I double clutch,
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble. Yeah, okay, and super stuff starts happening.
Speaker 1: Anybody fumble the ball, get injured again. So and the
Speaker 1: shame of it is he had a career day catching
Speaker 1: the ball eleven catches for one hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 1: He teach the show to be the to receiver that
Speaker 1: he wanted him to be. He gotta be disciplined, gotta
Speaker 1: be this. And you know what, it's starting to frustrate
Speaker 1: the quarterback because he's been covering for those routes, not
Speaker 1: just his but some others. He always covers that. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: our communication, I see it one way. No, he saw
Speaker 1: it the right, pa, I was on the so all
Speaker 1: the right and and did you see on the sideline
Speaker 1: when he was upset and Olsen was like, yeah, see
Speaker 1: Dak's saying that was me, that was I go No, No,
Speaker 1: he was not saying that was me. He was saying,
Speaker 1: we got to do it right. Olson was on it
Speaker 1: though he knew what happened on both plays from the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as the first interception was thrown, and that's
Speaker 1: when CD was over there, fussing with with Scholtz. He's like,
Speaker 1: he was like this, like you gotta get out the way,
Speaker 1: well too, you gotta go sharp and I gotta go
Speaker 1: one of them, one of them got somebody. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's the way Olson explained it. Yeah, no, no, he's right.
Speaker 1: I then had too clear out right right with an
Speaker 1: aggressive route right, you can't he was he got hung up.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was hung up on. And
Speaker 1: so CDs hung up behind him. So Dad's like traffic.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Dak said he got knocked off
Speaker 1: his route um and and got but they shouldn't have
Speaker 1: two guys within three y The tight end. The tight
Speaker 1: end talked about what the tight end did wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Olsen is a tight end. He talked about what the
Speaker 1: tight end because if he clears out, if he clears
Speaker 1: out there and safety's got to go with him, not
Speaker 1: sit there, not sit there. He did gotta make a
Speaker 1: decision at all. Yeah, he's gotta make a decision, right.
Speaker 1: Who's made They made it sa, they made it Safety
Speaker 1: a superstar because he didn't have to make a decision.
Speaker 1: He just fell on Larry Brown. That was it Brown
Speaker 1: okay for real and so the second one, that's what
Speaker 1: we first talked about. That's that's the really as simple
Speaker 1: as ever. I don't know why why receivers do that.
Speaker 1: He's not the only one that does it. What week
Speaker 1: is this? Oh no, it was week ten and we're
Speaker 1: still talking about basic fundamentals in the passing game. So
Speaker 1: a guy asked me last night, He said, Troy, what
Speaker 1: what Mike and Troy would have said? I said, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, you're talking about a guy that's in
Speaker 1: his third year and ceedee lamb and my correct, you're
Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback that's in his seventh year. What
Speaker 1: they would what? Mike would have ran up to Troy
Speaker 1: and said, the safety just beat me. We we collided
Speaker 1: because Mike would have been getting in front of this guy, right,
Speaker 1: the safety would have been coming down and they're to
Speaker 1: both in fighting, which man, he just got a better
Speaker 1: grip on it than I did, because Mike would have
Speaker 1: been trying to rip him, no doubt, been fighting with him,
Speaker 1: and he just out muscled him. That's would have been
Speaker 1: the conversation. He wouldn't have been the come resation of
Speaker 1: what did you see? The safety was back? I came cross,
Speaker 1: he got a jump. His anticipation was good. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be no. I mean it's and who fought harder for
Speaker 1: CD for the last eight weeks than Nate knew. I
Speaker 1: believe it right here. Some guys are number ones born
Speaker 1: and some guys have to be created. And I thought
Speaker 1: CD could be created. But you have through protect your
Speaker 1: quarterback at all times. It's nowhere in the world he
Speaker 1: can bring that back. If he does, he bring it back,
Speaker 1: there's somebody can be sitting over here. We got a disaster,
Speaker 1: which is what happened on the fourth and three calls.
Speaker 1: Nobody was open and he brought it back and tried
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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola trying to digest a thirty one twenty eight
Speaker 1: Cowboys loss to the Packers in overtime, which that game
Speaker 1: should have never got to overtime. So you want to
Speaker 1: know why McCarthy was so upset? Put your points and
Speaker 1: he never does that. I've never seen him do that
Speaker 1: about very very very upset with the penalties overtime, and
Speaker 1: it's like it escalated with each very right, very very kay.
Speaker 1: And then it was that it was later what it
Speaker 1: was brought up again? It was big play penalty, big
Speaker 1: play penalty, big play penalty. And I felt his frustration.
Speaker 1: So here's what he was upset about. First, all the
Speaker 1: when's the last time you've seen a wide receiver called
Speaker 1: for offsides? I saw it before they snapped the ball,
Speaker 1: and he he initially was like, way passed, way passed,
Speaker 1: and he looked over. Did you see that? This is crazy?
Speaker 1: One foot right? But he looked over and I went
Speaker 1: and talked to him, and he said, she told me
Speaker 1: to move back, and I did, but it was just
Speaker 1: like that, and he almost got called for a false start, right,
Speaker 1: but he did move back. So now it was inches right,
Speaker 1: there's the flag. I'm not right, I knew it and
Speaker 1: and it it negated a nine yard lets a nine
Speaker 1: yard Let's just basically it won't take long. How do
Speaker 1: you not know how to line up? Nate? How do
Speaker 1: you not know how to line up? And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but who is the guy? It was? Jaalen Tolburn. Okay,
Speaker 1: he don't know how to line up rookie, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I know in high school you know how
Speaker 1: to line up. If you were in peewee league, I
Speaker 1: know how to line up without being offside. It's just
Speaker 1: you know these things here anyway, that's that's but you
Speaker 1: know what, there was another play. I saw it and
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was that play, and I
Speaker 1: saw where they were lined up. They were they were
Speaker 1: all like a yard behind the line of scrimmage to
Speaker 1: just make sure. But anyway, the flag flew yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know he said, yeah, I'd never been
Speaker 1: called for that before. Well because you never lined up
Speaker 1: the correctly. So I think he got I think he
Speaker 1: got upset. Felt it was a tickie tack call. But
Speaker 1: I mean, and the worst part was it had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the play. You know. It was a
Speaker 1: run play to the right. He was to the left,
Speaker 1: and then the and you got, Nate, you tell me
Speaker 1: the holding call on McGovern sixteen yard run. They're down
Speaker 1: to the twenty nine yard line when they when I
Speaker 1: looked seeing I and I and I'm and I'm with
Speaker 1: the reffs. I'm with him. I'm serious, because they make
Speaker 1: some bang bang. But when I looked at it right down,
Speaker 1: I thought, it's no, it can't be him, it's another
Speaker 1: it's another guy. So well holding yeah, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I think that's the one that got McCarthy's headset throw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe it was. Yeah, that was a sixteen yard run.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a run that got me. It was that
Speaker 1: they made the call. Ye see, the run don't get me,
Speaker 1: but that. It's like we've been balling like that all day, sir,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, yeah, all of a sudden. But
Speaker 1: I asked McGovern what they told him. He said, I
Speaker 1: prevented the guy from making a play. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: you should have told him. That's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I block them. It's just, uh, for every call that
Speaker 1: they missed, then you go back to tollbird, you know.
Speaker 1: So I try to keep the reugh out of it,
Speaker 1: and I try to look at what we have could
Speaker 1: have done to prevent a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: happened to us as a team. And the good teams,
Speaker 1: Uh realize real quick, Okay, I'm not I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let her tight end block me. You know. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing things I know cannot happen. Yeah, so certain things
Speaker 1: right now cannot happen. Right and and and that's the
Speaker 1: way I used to go into it. In these I
Speaker 1: can't let it. I let this happen. If I'm in
Speaker 1: man coverage and you let her do a release on
Speaker 1: you and you don't get nothing on him, he gone.
Speaker 1: And Uh, you're talking about the playing over time. No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk about general. I'm like you out there, bro,
Speaker 1: there ain't no one behind you, and you don't get
Speaker 1: the guns. I'm saying to myself, I'm gonna tell you something,
Speaker 1: nick like coach and y'all still refer to Coach Johnson
Speaker 1: presiding coach John's tail, folks Son. If you're scared, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go wrong. Thing I love about Jimmy he can talk,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you can if you're scared. Yo, man, Bro,
Speaker 1: we don't have time. And and my thing is is, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just my pet peeve being a defensive back.
Speaker 1: You can't beat the capitalists. Every time the Cowboys fall
Speaker 1: in trouble, Well, they beat Brown, but we're gonna be
Speaker 1: all right, Like that's the norm to beat Brown. But
Speaker 1: then we're gonna be okay. He's been nothing better behind him.
Speaker 1: Well you saw what happened, right, see Blanton, I mean
Speaker 1: once Brown went down when he said, no young kid
Speaker 1: is hurt, I mean the young kid is young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can. I would deal with that. Yeah, like October,
Speaker 1: my question is why was he out there? Well out
Speaker 1: of necessity? Yeah, okay, I deal with that. But Fats
Speaker 1: Minnesota Fat? What his name? Fat? What is the kid
Speaker 1: named the rapper Jay Fat? Whatever his name? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Well you that was reduced. You saw as
Speaker 1: soon as one was in where Aaron Rodgers was going
Speaker 1: and and at that point, so what they did is
Speaker 1: they had digs follow Lazard. It was like, let's take
Speaker 1: him out. Well on the key play in overtime, they
Speaker 1: lined up three to the to their right, the Cowboys left,
Speaker 1: and they put Lazard in the slot and he'd be no,
Speaker 1: he held down. He slipped, slipped and fell on that
Speaker 1: goofy turf that they have out there that everybody was
Speaker 1: slipping on. And he was wide open because the safety
Speaker 1: was on the other side of the field. And it
Speaker 1: was like okay, but but before that, I know, and
Speaker 1: before that, so you tell me the third down play
Speaker 1: on the past the lamb when the guy hooked his
Speaker 1: left arm over the top. How does that not get called?
Speaker 1: And I just hate that we always come down to
Speaker 1: the no calls because we put ourselves in this desperce
Speaker 1: exactly because they're not good enough to outplay those things.
Speaker 1: Right and one points ahead? Yeah, the other thing. I know,
Speaker 1: let's look, let's look at the punt. Let's look at
Speaker 1: the punt. I believe it was a punt. Oh the
Speaker 1: block in the back or whatever, it was not a
Speaker 1: blind I know. I mean, these are these are things like, well, man,
Speaker 1: do you but I mean, did we get the we
Speaker 1: get to chart? Did we get the challenge that they
Speaker 1: picked the pick? They didn't pick it up? Because I
Speaker 1: would call we started them twelve yardline? You're right, we
Speaker 1: started on twelve yard line, right, come on after we
Speaker 1: I think his return was decent or at least he
Speaker 1: called it up here we ended up No, the return
Speaker 1: was decent, if I would call, we were close to
Speaker 1: the thirty plus, and then we end up after the twelve.
Speaker 1: And this is doing the time that everything was collapsing.
Speaker 1: So the we have to like, let me just crap
Speaker 1: on him some more and throw this flag to where
Speaker 1: you clearly do I don't know what he was looking at.
Speaker 1: If you didn't see the block, how can you call
Speaker 1: it right? Yeah, you saw him from y'all know Watson
Speaker 1: played for them before the game. Oh yeah, because I
Speaker 1: wanted to draft him and Bill wanted to draft him,
Speaker 1: and then we decided that he dropped too many passes
Speaker 1: and that's why the Cowboys would have passed out. Three
Speaker 1: years ago. I didn't know who Jones was the running back.
Speaker 1: Three years Jones, he comes to Dallas and he leaves Dallas,
Speaker 1: and I know who he is. I didn't know who
Speaker 1: this Watson kid was. When they say first round pick
Speaker 1: in this round, like this dude garbage. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: watch North. We've been We've been North Dakota State North.
Speaker 1: We've been laughing at him for a while, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it ain't funny. He comes in
Speaker 1: here and have a career day. Yeah, and like you said,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers made sure that he was going to have
Speaker 1: a day. Yes, okay, that was the whole point he dropped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Aaron, Aaron CUSTOMI and then I get over
Speaker 1: them and to throw your nut. That was the first
Speaker 1: question of his press conference. What gave him the confidence
Speaker 1: to go back to Christian Watson after the early drops.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of plays designed for him, so
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any other option. Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: well that didn't sound too No, it sounded less. But
Speaker 1: you know what then, what I'm telling you, every time
Speaker 1: he connected with his kids, kid looked at him in
Speaker 1: a well before you may say some yeah, he may
Speaker 1: say some crazy for him. Yeah he had what did
Speaker 1: he had three catches at one for three touchdowns? Who
Speaker 1: has that? He had four overall for one oh seven.
Speaker 1: If I'm a player, see, I have nothing for the coaches,
Speaker 1: because you can say what you want about them, you
Speaker 1: can dog them out or whatever you want. But if
Speaker 1: I'm a player, I'm checking me. If I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: big number ninety seven, if I'm if I'm all these
Speaker 1: big hogs in the middle, I am checking me. You
Speaker 1: can't just lay back and say, oh, it's just a system. Yeah, no, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta check yourself. Man and Nate. That's been going
Speaker 1: on since last year though. Anytime we had problems, this
Speaker 1: has been going on since last year. So you know,
Speaker 1: I've been in the room my rookie year. We wouldn't
Speaker 1: even throw the Steves. Yeah, we were just some young
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, late round draft picks out there getting toasted.
Speaker 1: But we still checked ourselves and said, when it's time,
Speaker 1: we gotta make a play. Yeah, that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We might have been lasting passing yards, but we were
Speaker 1: first in interceptions because we weren't going to give it up.
Speaker 1: You might get us in the end of the beginning,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna come back and get you in the end.
Speaker 1: Michael Down's gonna pick itu. Our walls gonna be Ron
Speaker 1: Fellows would even come through. We will. We would make
Speaker 1: him rise to that level of competition. No man, Ron though,
Speaker 1: Ron Fellows would wow. No, I mean, hey, how did
Speaker 1: Roy just talk to him? I still love Ron Fellows,
Speaker 1: but Ron Fellows knows this. We gotta bring him up
Speaker 1: to that level, and he rose. There were games he wrote,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many career picks, Ron, but he
Speaker 1: needed everyone up. We gotta have the rise to read
Speaker 1: this break Yes, and we will be back mix shots
Speaker 1: if I can control these two guys. We paid how
Speaker 1: much for those lessons? She's the great? Oh yeah, totally.
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Speaker 1: a hard reading. Yeah, well a thick tongue. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something boy, they're trying to figure man. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we have a read there. It says something about roofing right.
Speaker 1: Roofing right. If you walk into your house and you say, honey,
Speaker 1: is raining outside, he's leaking in here? Is she gonna
Speaker 1: look at you? Thank you? Master the obvious money. They
Speaker 1: running the ball pretty good, but we gotta break a
Speaker 1: week to fix it. Come back, we don't fix it. Wow.
Speaker 1: Should we call a roofing company, Maybe they can block
Speaker 1: it up. Okay, So what is the reaction after you
Speaker 1: lose a game like that? Me as a player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no way in the world. I'm gonna go through
Speaker 1: that again. If I'm Bohannah, and if I'm armstrong, if
Speaker 1: I'm tak it's nowhere in the world because you can't
Speaker 1: tell me. We've seen this guy all the way from Seattle.
Speaker 1: You didn't run the ball on him. He thinking. These
Speaker 1: guys don't figure it out. They are not figuring it out.
Speaker 1: So now everybody's gonna say, well, do you have a
Speaker 1: run stopping scheme? His scheme because it stops running. I've
Speaker 1: seen it. These players got to take it amongst themselves. Hey, fellas,
Speaker 1: the average gotta come down. You know, the average gotta
Speaker 1: come in there. If you can get them guys around
Speaker 1: what three nine walls three seven, your average gotta come down?
Speaker 1: Keep it down game, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta give
Speaker 1: yourself a chance. Now, you don't like I mean, if
Speaker 1: you know we could give up like one hundred If
Speaker 1: you give up one hundred and thirty yards a game,
Speaker 1: that's not bad. That's I'm serious for the defense that
Speaker 1: you're But your average you gotta come down. So when
Speaker 1: you that's from a that's from a player standpoint, from
Speaker 1: a team standpoint. I remember being back there with Tom Landry,
Speaker 1: and first of all, you have to know what personnel
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. If you think you have the personnel
Speaker 1: to stop the run, truly, then that Tom Langie would
Speaker 1: make sure that the coaches and players were in the
Speaker 1: room together, and we're gonna figure this out. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: going to put such emphasis on it. We're going to
Speaker 1: let the rest of our games suffer. The flex offense
Speaker 1: was all about that, we're going to play the run. Guys,
Speaker 1: y'all gotta deal with it back in the back, okay,
Speaker 1: because what what when? What's what's our weakness? When we
Speaker 1: lose and I'm talking Tom Ladie, not now, when we
Speaker 1: lose in the running game, that's when we lose the
Speaker 1: game period. So that's why we were getting back interceptions
Speaker 1: because they were throwing so much because they could not
Speaker 1: run on us. They made sure of that. That's from
Speaker 1: us team standpoint, not a player standpoint, because yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's how you play your safeties, right if you got
Speaker 1: ever you're dealing with whatever run. Tom Ladie was a
Speaker 1: master at adjustments. He was a master, whether he made
Speaker 1: it doing that game or the next time I see you.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna whoop us like you did last time.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna you're gonna do something different like
Speaker 1: Belichick does. You're going to do something different and see
Speaker 1: if people gonna understand what you're accustomed to. And that's
Speaker 1: what people understand. You don't Most coaches don't have a
Speaker 1: secondary playing if they gat you running, they don't have
Speaker 1: because you don't have the talent. That's right, we have
Speaker 1: the talent. I'm gonna tell you something. Man. They ran
Speaker 1: for nine first downs of their twenty. Almost half of
Speaker 1: their first downs came running the football. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you the coach would make the adjustment and he would
Speaker 1: put the players in there that could do it, and
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Time a lot of light. One spoke louder
Speaker 1: than the other. Yeah, the move was gonna be made.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you look at what was
Speaker 1: happening against the run, the one guy you remember playing
Speaker 1: it well from the guys up front was Lawrence Right.
Speaker 1: He had seven tackles. I think he had to go
Speaker 1: all the way down six or seven players before the
Speaker 1: next defensive lineman made some place. I mean Bohannan. And
Speaker 1: he was actually the next one, by the way, Well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell. Yeah, he was in the wash, he wasn't.
Speaker 1: They found him in the rents about five yards. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Hitting them with Nate, they're
Speaker 1: hitting them with momentum. Yes, they're running downhill. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Your linebackers don't stand a chance because
Speaker 1: they doubling them big guys off and they're moving in
Speaker 1: and the linebackers are going around. If you got to
Speaker 1: run the hump, you already gave up four yards and
Speaker 1: the first play tim from rome four yards, it was
Speaker 1: second and six. Next play it was four yards, it
Speaker 1: was third and two. Then they got a first. Then
Speaker 1: they came back again second, second and six, third, third
Speaker 1: and two they get I mean there was from the
Speaker 1: start four yards and I said to myself, look at it, Mick,
Speaker 1: it's right there. And I'm saying to myself, Fellas, this
Speaker 1: ain't nice. It sounds familiar, familiar, And where do those
Speaker 1: big runs come. It's always outside to the offensive left,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys right side. They have not found a defensive
Speaker 1: end to hold down that edge at the defensive end.
Speaker 1: And it's not but it's not just the defensive end.
Speaker 1: It's the guys that are getting cut off from the
Speaker 1: pursuit as well, like defensive tackles. Yes, and they did
Speaker 1: just like Tampa Bay did. They brought these tight ends
Speaker 1: across and then wam down on you. And see Tank
Speaker 1: started to figure it out. You know, he's started, he
Speaker 1: started to figure it out. But by that time until
Speaker 1: they held him. Yea. And by that time it's rolling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming downhill. And I'm telling you, Fellas, it's nothing.
Speaker 1: This is nothing new. You said, I've been watching this
Speaker 1: for five years and I've been going on the same
Speaker 1: show that I've been going on Saint Fellas. If you
Speaker 1: want to beat us, get you a decent quarterback who
Speaker 1: cares about winning, and he don't and he ain't trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get a pass off. I'm
Speaker 1: telling he told his coach at the end of regulation,
Speaker 1: man running up ball. He not mean that, can't go
Speaker 1: to our coaches say that, but he could. He could good,
Speaker 1: but they did. They ran, and they ran it well,
Speaker 1: just challenging him, yea the moment. But see, the thing
Speaker 1: that gets us is, like you said, ever since, you
Speaker 1: gotta find players and you gotta tell them you want
Speaker 1: to play. Stop to run. Next week, that's what Minnesota's
Speaker 1: gonna do. Two Minnesota, They're gonna two minutes. See, the
Speaker 1: Bears did what what the Lions should have did, because
Speaker 1: when the Lions formed that ball on the one, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I told I told everybody in the room.
Speaker 1: I said, man, I keep running that ball. Dallas ain't stopping.
Speaker 1: Damn they ain't stopped me. But Day said, oh no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay. We're gonna bad times. I think the
Speaker 1: Lions on the top rushing, Yeah, they were and then
Speaker 1: the next week we played the Backs and the Bears say,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna subject these kids to this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get him beat up. So they kept running it and
Speaker 1: we all said, even me, saying, well, forty nine runs
Speaker 1: you're gonna get, you know, so many yards. But what
Speaker 1: about this team? It's the average per run? Yeah, average
Speaker 1: per run, I'm telling you. And we're gonna finish it
Speaker 1: with this because I thought Dak hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head. Towards the end of his press conference he's
Speaker 1: talking about how we have to be better. We got
Speaker 1: to give them credit, and then he said they were
Speaker 1: better tonight in the moments that matters were about talking
Speaker 1: about all the time that spags all the time, moments
Speaker 1: want it's about moments fourth and seven, about runts, it's
Speaker 1: about well, four buffalo bills. If it's not about moments
Speaker 1: fourteen for twenty fourteen for twenty and you got to
Speaker 1: beat fourteen. And with that. We will be back tomorrow
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