Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network Talk Talk.
Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who
Speaker 2: talks back.
Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a
Speaker 1: new episode of We Talked Back, We Talk Black. Your
Speaker 1: host AJ Holiday, what's up.
Speaker 2: Tam Bam, y'all, It's me Tammam. I love y'all.
Speaker 3: Thank y'all for tuning in another week. We appreciate y'all
Speaker 3: so much. How was your weekend?
Speaker 4: Aj?
Speaker 1: Hey, it's my birthday for d okay, and I feel
Speaker 1: the say no, actually I don't. Okay. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: it for a second. So I turned forty on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, I had a migraine Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, Monday morning. But Sunday I never left the
Speaker 1: bed and my whole right side of my body was
Speaker 1: doing something like without me even moving. It was like
Speaker 1: Paul satan All type of shit was going on.
Speaker 2: Don't you take drugs on Saturday night?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't drink the entire weekend listen. I had
Speaker 1: a very clean birthday. I went to my niece's graduation,
Speaker 1: My youngest niece graduated from high school. Shout out CanYa,
Speaker 1: congra baby on the stage. Okay, she graduated top of
Speaker 1: her class and she better from Burke High School. Bitch,
Speaker 1: you better be at the top of the mouth anyway, girl.
Speaker 1: It was so ratchet. I feel like I was at
Speaker 1: Coolie High. Okay. The graduation was Saturday, twelve o'clock. We
Speaker 1: got there and I'm like, okay, are we at the
Speaker 1: same event? Because why is bitch's ass out with baby
Speaker 1: bumps in the front?
Speaker 5: Like really?
Speaker 1: And this is this is why later on in this
Speaker 1: episode we talk about Sexy Red because I think they
Speaker 1: was at the graduation. Sexy Red was at the graduation. Bitch,
Speaker 1: you hear me? Who was looking like they was going
Speaker 1: going to a cookout and then looking at you looking well, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably they probably went straight from there to other probably
Speaker 1: little family gatherings. But I fell out of place because
Speaker 1: I looked like an adult. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the you know, probably not the best school in Charleston.
Speaker 1: Downtown Charleston is almost fully gentrified. This is the last
Speaker 1: black school downtown Charleston. All the other elementaries no black students.
Speaker 1: My niece's school only had sixty five graduates from it,
Speaker 1: and I want to ask her, you know, what was
Speaker 1: her freshman class number, like how many people was in
Speaker 1: the freshman class to kind of gauge how many people
Speaker 1: should have been graduating or maybe they just no longer
Speaker 1: live in the city. But I mean, it was terrible, y'all.
Speaker 1: And I this we got we got some big problems
Speaker 1: in the black community, and this, this, this graduation was
Speaker 1: just a sample size of some real bullshit. One of
Speaker 1: the speakers is the president of Johnson C. Smith. She's
Speaker 1: a Burke graduate from Charleston, South Carolina. Oh, I tell
Speaker 1: you the ADHD in the building they sign and why
Speaker 1: the lady is talking. It was so embarrassing. Who's going
Speaker 1: to talk to the children if y'all niggas ain't Because
Speaker 1: if these are the families that these kids are coming from,
Speaker 1: if it's sixty five graduates, half of them probably doomed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because these are the families raising him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's some weird shit going on. A young
Speaker 3: man his grandmother reported him missing over the weekend, and
Speaker 3: he wrote a disc track.
Speaker 2: He made a dis song to her and released it.
Speaker 3: It was calling her all kinds of hoes and saying
Speaker 3: he ain't missing he's just running up his bag fifteen
Speaker 3: years old, calling his grandma the hole in the song
Speaker 3: because she reported her.
Speaker 1: I've seen that, and like he gonna pull up on
Speaker 1: her with the blicky yeah.
Speaker 3: And hurt his grandma for like reporting him missing is insane.
Speaker 3: And where are the older men in his family who
Speaker 3: are to course correct that, because somebody need to course
Speaker 3: correct that.
Speaker 1: But there is nobody, Nope, and even I know I
Speaker 1: talked to you about this a little minute ago, but
Speaker 1: this this dude in Charlotte murdered his forty three on
Speaker 1: mom because she told him to go get a job
Speaker 1: and killed me. He came back and shot her. Yes,
Speaker 1: so now you don't have a mom to support you
Speaker 1: while you're in prison.
Speaker 3: Just you should have just went and got the fucking job, right,
Speaker 3: because now you're going to hate. But I think maybe
Speaker 3: this person must have had like some type of mental
Speaker 3: health issues that wasn't being because who just killed their
Speaker 3: mama for telling them they need a job?
Speaker 2: It got to be something not right that correct.
Speaker 1: That other boy was a rapper and he murdered his
Speaker 1: mom for life insurance policy to defund his career.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: That's so superath behavior behavior, because.
Speaker 1: That graduation was disappointing. And you know, my niece, she
Speaker 1: did her things. She's going off to Klafling University in Orangeburg.
Speaker 1: She's a very smart girl. Like when I tell you
Speaker 1: hood babies be, they gonna make it. They gonna make it.
Speaker 1: So I wish that class good luck. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell y'all a dulting is scamming. It's a scam likely, okay.
Speaker 1: But anyway, aside from that, my birthday was cool. We
Speaker 1: had a good dinner and shit, I carry my masks.
Speaker 1: Mab bitch, you ain't even had sex on my birthday.
Speaker 3: Well you look, you look pretty. You posted some pretty pictures.
Speaker 3: What did I do this weekend? Girl, I'm a hermit crab.
Speaker 3: I staying in the house. Like the taste of Charlotte
Speaker 3: was like I could see the taste of Charlotte from
Speaker 3: my patio and it looked you're it down there. I
Speaker 3: ain't go down there.
Speaker 2: People say you're not coming downstairs.
Speaker 6: No, no, thank you.
Speaker 1: There's too many people.
Speaker 3: It's all the fucking people. And I'm trying to lose weight.
Speaker 3: I don't need to and I don't need to.
Speaker 1: Spend my money. So oh, I had that already. I
Speaker 1: had that before, I've tasted it. I've tasted all the
Speaker 1: tastes I need. I'm trying to unbig my back. Let's
Speaker 1: get into scenes of the week.
Speaker 2: So if y'all were under a rock, y'all miss that.
Speaker 2: Michael Rainie Jr.
Speaker 3: Did Tyler James live stream and he was grown by
Speaker 3: the streamer's sister live on the streaming. You could see
Speaker 3: him like, go, my penis is being grabbed right now,
Speaker 3: and she looking at him like what's up?
Speaker 2: And shit went viral.
Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about it. The young man, Tyler James
Speaker 3: tried to blow it over at first, but it got
Speaker 3: so much attention that he issued an apology to Michael
Speaker 3: Rainie Jr. And then Michael Rainey Jr. Also said, you
Speaker 3: know that he was stilling talk about what happened, and
Speaker 3: basically he was he was gonna let it blow over,
Speaker 3: but he felt like if it was the other way around, it.
Speaker 2: Would be an issue, you know, and.
Speaker 3: And it's not okay, and it ain't okay for her
Speaker 3: to do that, to just grab that young man's uh
Speaker 3: private and if it had been.
Speaker 2: What's that nigga name, he would have kicked you in
Speaker 2: the face. So what's his name?
Speaker 1: Kevin Gate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Gates would have kicked you in the face.
Speaker 2: You can't just be grabbing people parts.
Speaker 1: Listen, what is The girl looked young as hell, She
Speaker 1: looked younger than Mike Rainey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but very aggressive, Like her face was very like,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 1: You know, I think women actually have more more trouble
Speaker 1: accepting rejection than men. M you know, because in our
Speaker 1: minds not an hour because in that group, but in
Speaker 1: some women's minds, you want to at least fuck me,
Speaker 1: at least imagine somebody at the very least you want
Speaker 1: to at least fuck me like that is definitely some
Speaker 1: women's thought process. So when they are rejected, even for sex,
Speaker 1: it's you're gonna have hell to reckon with as a
Speaker 1: as a man. If it was on the other if
Speaker 1: it was the other way around, he'd be in jail
Speaker 1: right now, right That shit is never okay. Stop touching
Speaker 1: people if it's not invited, man or woman, anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to do it on live and make him feel
Speaker 1: visibly uncomfortable, you literally sexually assaulted him in front of
Speaker 1: the whole world. You gotta be a shaming yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you ought to be embarrassed. I'm sure she is
Speaker 3: somewhere embarrassed. She did not issue an apology. She's probably
Speaker 3: somewhere hiding in shame for embarrassing her brother.
Speaker 2: You know, he says she's no longer.
Speaker 1: Michael Rainey's like, what makes you think you got access
Speaker 1: to that, to that anyway? Like like this, ain't even
Speaker 1: no regular at the house that might butt you down
Speaker 1: right quick, right?
Speaker 2: That was crazy to do it, nut, no pun intended.
Speaker 1: It's nuts. So y'all the internet is getting even more spooky. Okay,
Speaker 1: Meg the Stallion has a sex tape. It's not her, though,
Speaker 1: It's an a I created sex tape of Meg thee Stallion.
Speaker 1: Meg thee Stallion's performance of Florida proved more emotional than
Speaker 1: most fans probably expected, because Meg barely held back tears
Speaker 1: right before playing one of her hits. When the beat starts,
Speaker 1: Meg tries to launch into the song, but can't even
Speaker 1: get through the first few bars before stopping to collect
Speaker 1: herself once again. Her fans share on and writing added
Speaker 1: the video by the person filming shows love for MTS,
Speaker 1: so her fans didn't seem upset by the star needing
Speaker 1: to let her feelings out, so she went and tweeted
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, It's really sick how y'all
Speaker 1: got y'all way to hurt me when you see me winning,
Speaker 1: y'all go too far, fake ass shit. Just know today
Speaker 1: was your last day playing with me, and I mean it.
Speaker 1: So somebody created a fake AI video of Meg thee
Speaker 1: Stallion having sex. I hadn't seen it. I didn't even
Speaker 1: try to look forward for real, even though I would
Speaker 1: like to see you make the actual, the actual Maga
Speaker 1: having sex. I would like to see that, but if
Speaker 1: it's fake, I you know. But anyway, the amount of
Speaker 1: people who thought that shit was real, who was talking crazy, yes,
Speaker 1: saying crazy shit to her about how she all head
Speaker 1: these crocodile down tears, and you wasn't saying that when Tori,
Speaker 1: when you put Torri and Joe, it's that lady gets
Speaker 1: too much hate. It's diskysting how much hate she gets.
Speaker 3: But that's why I'm glass glad how blessed she is,
Speaker 3: because the hate is equivalent to the blessings at this point.
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely extreme.
Speaker 3: What I'm you know, I hate that that happened to her,
Speaker 3: but I'm glad it's not her real body, obviously, But
Speaker 3: what we need to be concerned with is why are
Speaker 3: we not out in the streets about.
Speaker 2: This AI shit.
Speaker 3: This ship is scared real and we are just very
Speaker 3: very taking it on the chin, very much, taking it
Speaker 3: on the chin that we are allowing this AI reality
Speaker 3: to be a thing in our culture. It should be
Speaker 3: demolished in some way. It's gonna take over us. We
Speaker 3: are going to be second class citizens in our in
Speaker 3: our country to AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so y'all keep playing.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk tweeted, you know how we're not tweeted he's
Speaker 1: actually challenging Apple because they want to put chappie Chat
Speaker 1: GPT onto iPhones, like within this new update, which is
Speaker 1: a whole lot of shit coming with this new update
Speaker 1: for iPhone. I'm considering switching back to Android because that
Speaker 1: was never an Apple girl. Okay, I know business people
Speaker 1: prefer Apple, but y'all might see this green bubble pop
Speaker 1: back up on y'all shit. But yeah, like people don't
Speaker 1: realize how this is bad.
Speaker 2: This is terrible.
Speaker 1: It does help move humanity forward some because we would
Speaker 1: like to think that the that there there's a human
Speaker 1: programming the computer. But at some point it's gonna be
Speaker 1: not just artificial intelligence, it's going to be artificial and
Speaker 1: artificial consciousness. You know what I'm saying. This is why
Speaker 1: you have apps like Clubhouse. They are getting our vocals,
Speaker 1: our voices, how we sound, how it elevates when we're mad.
Speaker 1: They have all these different apps out here studying real
Speaker 1: human interaction so that we can be replaced. You not,
Speaker 1: And in a minute, you're not gonna know what the
Speaker 1: fuck you're looking at online anymore. You know, nothing's true,
Speaker 1: everything's false because you just don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: is happening. You don't know what's real, what's fake?
Speaker 3: Right, And it's gonna a robot sitting outside your door
Speaker 3: talking about come outside if you want two bitch, you're
Speaker 3: gonna get shot now.
Speaker 2: Then what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: They already have robots policing people. Yeah, places, Yeah, it's RoboCop.
Speaker 3: This motherfucking robot car is our robot, bitch, And shit
Speaker 3: gonna get real, like so we all gonna be living
Speaker 3: in a motherfucker sewer because y'all wanted to make the
Speaker 3: style your fuck with an AI apple.
Speaker 2: See keep playing the only.
Speaker 1: Thing I want to do with AI is make songs
Speaker 1: like bb ol Drinzy bbyl Drenzy.
Speaker 2: That's the start of it. That is the start.
Speaker 1: I want to do that for sure.
Speaker 2: Do we have any other suits?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, y'all, I don't know. Do you do dating apps?
Speaker 2: I used to, but it just never worked out for me,
Speaker 2: so I stopped swiping. I'm tired. I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: talking to AI person. It's just the same conversation over
Speaker 2: and over again with a different face.
Speaker 1: Or a scammer. Because the last dat and app I
Speaker 1: actually tried to get on with Sugar Babies whatever that
Speaker 1: shit is, and it was a bunch of scammers from
Speaker 1: Africa and shit on there. It was nobody, nobody for
Speaker 1: real on those.
Speaker 4: Apps, right.
Speaker 1: I saw this story on the Shade Room. So black
Speaker 1: women are taken to TikTok to express their dissatisfication with
Speaker 1: the dating apps. So dating apps have forever changed the
Speaker 1: landscape of dating, of the dating scene as we know it. However,
Speaker 1: some claim that the algorithms could be biased towards certain races,
Speaker 1: so it says several black women have claimed that the
Speaker 1: Hinge dating app is pushing their profiles to the bottom
Speaker 1: of the dating pool. A recent TikTok train revealed that
Speaker 1: some women saw better matches when they changed their ethnicity
Speaker 1: to Caucasian in their settings. Both men and women are
Speaker 1: stepping in to the shade room to share their experiences.
Speaker 4: D D.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the full video. I didn't go watch
Speaker 1: because they actually had people like, you know, different people talking.
Speaker 1: But okay, so you change your preference, I mean not preference.
Speaker 1: You change your demographic right to Caucasian, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden different types of men start popping up,
Speaker 1: is what I'm gathering is happening. So me, black girl,
Speaker 1: put my picture up. I'm not having access to the
Speaker 1: same pool of men until I change my and my
Speaker 1: settings to Caucasian. I can I can see these well,
Speaker 1: the company's doing some shit like.
Speaker 3: That, but can't the men put is there a preference
Speaker 3: on race on there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I believe so you could put like what you so?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe I think the men that you are
Speaker 3: seeking are looking for right, So yes, and I so
Speaker 3: that it might you might be seeing these men because
Speaker 3: they put Caucasian women, that's what they're interested in, and
Speaker 3: that's now why you're seeing them.
Speaker 1: Right, Like who you're in right and I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: they are seeing is it white men that start popping
Speaker 1: up or other nice looking black men? Maybe right, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe their preference can also be white. They might have
Speaker 1: it to what they don't want their preference to be
Speaker 1: black women. We already know we got a problem with
Speaker 1: these niggas. I don't know what. I don't know what
Speaker 1: more what?
Speaker 4: What are you?
Speaker 1: What do y'all really want? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to go date white men, But
Speaker 1: there's other groups of people we can start exploring. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're having having problems dating amongst your own right,
Speaker 1: you have to start exploring. We don't have to. We
Speaker 1: don't we knocking a dialog. We don't have to. Right, So,
Speaker 1: if you're on a dating app and you feel like
Speaker 1: you're not even being chosen a dating app, I think
Speaker 1: part of it is internal, right, because I think if
Speaker 1: you if you let's just say it, if you are
Speaker 1: a pretty girl, there's gonna be white women. I mean,
Speaker 1: excuse me, there's gonna be white men, black men, whoever
Speaker 1: man they in m DMS, they're gonna be messaging your ass.
Speaker 1: So that goes into a whole nother thing. Like maybe
Speaker 1: you feel like you're not being picked in real world
Speaker 1: and online. What can anybody do about that? Because men,
Speaker 1: that's what goes back to saying, like women, we don't
Speaker 1: like feeling rejected, but people have preference, and people are
Speaker 1: allowed to have preference.
Speaker 3: But just we imagine being mad enough about a dating
Speaker 3: app to sue to.
Speaker 1: Y're not picking me?
Speaker 4: Like what like what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I mean it kind of goes into our
Speaker 1: topic today because, like I said, people are allowed to
Speaker 1: have preference as long as somebody is not disrespecting you.
Speaker 1: Do you see online like where like let's say a
Speaker 1: basketball player he has a black wife, right, this black
Speaker 1: wife may not be light skin, but she's black. I mean,
Speaker 1: may not be dark skin, but she's black. You'll look
Speaker 1: into comments and the things that black women are saying
Speaker 1: about it's always a light skin like what what's happening? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still a black woman.
Speaker 2: She's still a black woman.
Speaker 1: That's still a black woman. And if that's that man's preference,
Speaker 1: let it be. Is nothing you can do about it, y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all can't make people choose you other people you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't make people choose you. So I don't know
Speaker 1: I've never had I've never had those issues, so but
Speaker 1: I know they exist. So I'm not being discissive of that.
Speaker 4: Bitch.
Speaker 1: I've been getting the same I've been getting niggas with
Speaker 1: the same body my whole life.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It might have been a little slimmer at one point,
Speaker 1: a little chunky, but I never had problems dating or
Speaker 1: accessing the person and I wanted to access never.
Speaker 3: Yeah, likewise, I don't know, but let's get into that
Speaker 3: conversation about, like, you know, the relationship between women light
Speaker 3: skin and dark.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Call her colorism.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it when we get back, all right, guys,
Speaker 3: I know we were just talking about a little bit
Speaker 3: of colorism, which brings us to our topic today.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I brought on my good friend Teresa. I reached out
Speaker 3: to her yesterday and I was like, you a fine
Speaker 3: chocolate girl.
Speaker 2: You grew up chocolate with light skinned sisters.
Speaker 3: Would you like to talk about your experience as a
Speaker 3: young girl growing up in a household with light women
Speaker 3: being a dark woman. She said, absolutely, I have so
Speaker 3: much to share about that. So I couldn't wait to
Speaker 3: bring her on so we could have this conversation. Thank
Speaker 3: you for coming. Teresa, Hey.
Speaker 4: Meeting you as well.
Speaker 1: So y'all know, like in the black community, this is
Speaker 1: like one of those conversations aside from the fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty conversation, It's just one of those those things that
Speaker 1: I think, maybe it's uncomfortable for me because I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I've actually experienced what darker skinned women or lighter,
Speaker 1: lighter skinned women experience. But I understand both sides of
Speaker 1: the spectrum. I understand the dynamic between these two subgroups
Speaker 1: within the black culture. We've created a whole subgroup, and
Speaker 1: some people act like it's a different race. Light skinned
Speaker 1: people are race, Dark skinn people are different races. It's weird.
Speaker 1: So I definitely can't wait to dive into this today, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we're not busy going in with.
Speaker 1: White people, guess what you're still in it to them.
Speaker 3: It's like if I ride in a car with a
Speaker 3: bunch of light skin bitches and they say, you niggas,
Speaker 3: get out of the car.
Speaker 2: They're not just talking to me.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Teresa, yes, talk to us about your experience
Speaker 3: like growing up as the chocolate sister in the family,
Speaker 3: Like what did you go through what'd you.
Speaker 4: Experience, Well, I am the second.
Speaker 1: Out of three girl syndrome to go ahead to.
Speaker 4: The black sheep.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I never thought of it as being the
Speaker 6: black sheep. I thought it was because why she didn't
Speaker 6: get in trouble or why did I have to get
Speaker 6: in trouble? And I just in my own head put
Speaker 6: it as oh, because I'm the dark skin one of
Speaker 6: the family, Like they get treated better because they're light
Speaker 6: skin and I'm dark skinned. So I always had it
Speaker 6: in my mind and my mama sat me down. I
Speaker 6: think I was like seven or eight. I made a comment, Oh,
Speaker 6: she looked better because she likes skin, and my mom
Speaker 6: was like, don't ever let me hear you say that again.
Speaker 6: Don't ever let me hear you say that you are
Speaker 6: you're pretty too. Like she she made me feel okay,
Speaker 6: but still in the back of my head like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's because she dark it's because she likes skin, and
Speaker 6: I'm dark skinned. It's just like I felt like I
Speaker 6: wasn't enough because I was dark skinned. And my daddy,
Speaker 6: he honestly came from a colorism background, like you're better.
Speaker 6: You could sit on the bed if you're light skinned,
Speaker 6: if you're dark skinned, you have to sit on the floor.
Speaker 6: It's just like they got praised because they were lighter.
Speaker 6: And I accepted it after a while, but as a
Speaker 6: forty one year old woman today, I still play like
Speaker 6: if this somebody called me a black bitch, that kind
Speaker 6: of fucks with me. I'm sorry, excuse my language. It
Speaker 6: kind of bothers me. But yeah, it's like, oh, I
Speaker 6: all like skin and bitches are not pretty, Like you know,
Speaker 6: you're not better than me because you like skin. And
Speaker 6: I had a friend that made a comment, but we
Speaker 6: were just into our friendship, we were learning each other
Speaker 6: and she made this post on Facebook. People are at
Speaker 6: my job don't like me because I'm like skinning pretty.
Speaker 6: So here I go with my Twitter fingers. Maybe people
Speaker 6: don't like you because they're intimidated by your spirit or nothing.
Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with you being light skin
Speaker 6: So don't put yourself on this high ass pedestal because
Speaker 6: you feel like you're light skinning pretty and people just
Speaker 6: don't like you. Because I always hear, oh, my son
Speaker 6: is you can't do this because you're light skin Why
Speaker 6: why can't you do it?
Speaker 4: Because you're light skinned?
Speaker 6: Like he's human, just like the rest of us, what
Speaker 6: does color have to do with it? Like I had
Speaker 6: to really tell her how that made me fear feel
Speaker 6: because we were watching Pee Valley a few years ago
Speaker 6: when it first came out, and she was saying, how
Speaker 6: you know the black girl because she is biracial, she
Speaker 6: grew up with a white family, So the black girl.
Speaker 6: I'm like, both of those girls are black. What you say,
Speaker 6: the dark skinned girl? So that bothered? That bothered.
Speaker 1: Saying the dark skinned girl because you know that's still
Speaker 1: her human experience as well, and how she felt on
Speaker 1: that job site, right, So that now insert how you feel,
Speaker 1: how she shouldn't feel is a projection act.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a project because yeah, and I think, yeah, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, No, And I was about to say, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, honestly, white people, you know, has caused this
Speaker 3: division amongst blacks.
Speaker 2: In the black community. Let's keep it real. They put
Speaker 2: the light skinned ones in the house cause.
Speaker 1: Their children and they had yeah, right right.
Speaker 2: Well they know.
Speaker 3: Somebody is because how they got light and they caused
Speaker 3: that divide.
Speaker 1: People have always come in all shades colors, you know,
Speaker 1: even if if you're just thinking about slavery, we've always
Speaker 1: been different shades, right, So I don't feel like we
Speaker 1: only got light because we mixed with European or Hispanic
Speaker 1: or something. At some point. We've always been different shades.
Speaker 1: Like I have some people in my family who have
Speaker 1: green eyes, red hair, damn near albino looking, you know.
Speaker 1: So black women are so amazing that we create all things, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, we could take it back to slavery and
Speaker 1: absolutely some of them niggas in the house was the
Speaker 1: slave master kids, right, But who created them? And they
Speaker 1: know like after that, why do we have this this
Speaker 1: thing between light skin and dark skin when.
Speaker 3: Well, could you imagine I'd be mad at a bitch
Speaker 3: too if I'm out in the field all day.
Speaker 2: And she said, up in the house looking down at me, and.
Speaker 3: That that definitely creates a culture of division between two
Speaker 3: women who are the same. Essentially we are the same,
Speaker 3: we just look different, and that creates a divide.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just passed down.
Speaker 3: And you know what, trauma is passed down in our
Speaker 3: dm DNA Because even then your mom told you, don't
Speaker 3: you ever say that, where did you learn that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: How did you subconsciously decide that you weren't enough? Was
Speaker 3: it something that was already in you or is it
Speaker 3: just learned behavior from society around you that makes you
Speaker 3: feel that way.
Speaker 2: I saw this video. I can't remember what it was called, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But it was where children were acts which doll was prettier,
Speaker 1: and they were little little kids, and all the little
Speaker 1: black kids said the white doll was better looking. And
Speaker 1: it's like, what is happening in our society where that
Speaker 1: is being taught to us consciously because we're not literally
Speaker 1: watching nothing that says, hey, this white doll is better,
Speaker 1: you know, but there's some type of learned behavior that
Speaker 1: is being passed down to us. And that's so, is
Speaker 1: your mom light skin or your dad light skin? Because
Speaker 1: I know you said your dad's side of the family
Speaker 1: was you know, well, honestly, my mom and my dad
Speaker 1: is my color. So and my sisters, I don't know.
Speaker 6: My mom has light skinned sisters, my dad had like
Speaker 6: has light skinned sisters, So maybe they got their color
Speaker 6: from each side. But it's crazy. I hear the story
Speaker 6: all the time. My first sister was born. She came
Speaker 6: out seven, super super read. Yeah the milk.
Speaker 4: She came out, of course, they said she came out
Speaker 4: looking like my dad, But she was really, really really red.
Speaker 6: And my dad he drinks, he has a little fun
Speaker 6: and he went to the hospital. He was like, wake
Speaker 6: your ass up, who bay is this? So my mom
Speaker 6: was like, you know, she didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 6: But when I came out, he was like, damn right,
Speaker 6: that's my child right here, because I came out dark.
Speaker 6: So it's just like, yo, they probably got their color
Speaker 6: from the family, because of course, you know, sometimes things
Speaker 6: skipped curations.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's like one of my sig she's the
Speaker 1: middle and she's the light skin baby, and my mama
Speaker 1: has the most pictures of her. She had red hair,
Speaker 1: light skin, and my dad's mom would say shit to
Speaker 1: my mom like whose baby? This is? What's she get
Speaker 1: that hair from? And what type of name is Amantha?
Speaker 1: Like this is how she would chast not chastise, but
Speaker 1: like antagonize my mom about having this lighter baby. But
Speaker 1: my mom's dad, I meanxcuse me, my dad's dad was lighter.
Speaker 1: And I even realized that my daddy is lighter because
Speaker 1: this nigga was working in the sun my whole life.
Speaker 1: I thought he was dark skin until he retired, and
Speaker 1: now he's like lighter than me at this point.
Speaker 2: Right, he just had a.
Speaker 3: My dad used to say, so, my mom's side of
Speaker 3: the family is I'm probably we're probably the darkest one.
Speaker 3: Me and my sisters are the darkest ones in my
Speaker 3: mom's side of the family. All of them are mixed
Speaker 3: race and very fair skin. And my daddy used to
Speaker 3: poke fun when I was a child and saying that
Speaker 3: we couldn't go to my grandma's church because they have
Speaker 3: a comb hanging down from the door and if you hear,
Speaker 3: don't slide right through.
Speaker 2: It walking to the church.
Speaker 4: I would have got at the door to.
Speaker 7: Me too, Okay, Okay, that's so stupid, that's funny.
Speaker 3: But I used to I was a little girl, so
Speaker 3: I used to be believing that ship he was saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, like not understanding that. He was just making
Speaker 3: fun of the colorism things that go on within a family.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's funny out of all things.
Speaker 1: So, what's the dynamic with you and your your lighter sisters.
Speaker 1: So it's three of you, you said, and so you
Speaker 1: have too older or you're in the middle.
Speaker 6: So well, Tya, Teresa, Tracy, And honestly, I love my sisters,
Speaker 6: but I really don't have a relationship with them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we'll speak, but it has nothing to do with the color.
Speaker 6: It's just more so we don't have anything in common.
Speaker 6: So that's why I labeled myself as the black sheep.
Speaker 6: We don't have anything in common, but they have so
Speaker 6: much in common. But like I said, I love my sisters,
Speaker 6: but we really don't speak, but we're there for each other.
Speaker 6: Y'all live in the same y'all grew up in the
Speaker 6: same household and father. And you don't feel like they
Speaker 6: had anything to do with your internal issues about being darker.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like they felt like they were better for.
Speaker 4: Being like I don't. They never gave me that. They
Speaker 4: never because no, they never gave me that.
Speaker 6: But it's like I was the rebellious one, so I
Speaker 6: could do anything and I'll get in trouble. But it's
Speaker 6: me reverted, so she I got in trouble because I'm
Speaker 6: you know, they're better than they think they're better than me,
Speaker 6: or they never get in trouble because they're the light
Speaker 6: skinned sisters. That's just how I felt growing up. And
Speaker 6: you know, as an adult, I see now I was
Speaker 6: a little badass, not bad, but I was rebellious. I
Speaker 6: wanted to hang out with the killers and the drug dealers.
Speaker 6: You know, I wanted to be outside when they did it.
Speaker 6: They were homebodies. They did not you know, they didn't
Speaker 6: get their tan they were supposed to get in the
Speaker 6: summer time. But I look like I got burnt by
Speaker 6: the sun. But no, they were not outside. I was outside.
Speaker 6: So no, I don't think they never threw the colored
Speaker 6: thing up in my face. I must say that they
Speaker 6: never did that. It was just me and my own
Speaker 6: you know thoughts, my inner thoughts or you know, because
Speaker 6: I used to hear my daddy talk about my baby,
Speaker 6: my baby, my baby. He never my daddy looked at
Speaker 6: me as, oh you my nigga. But these are my babies.
Speaker 6: That's how I grew up, you know. That's me and
Speaker 6: my I must say my daddy is my best friend.
Speaker 6: He never gave me that baby baby affection. He gave
Speaker 6: me like you, my nigga, like you my we're cold
Speaker 6: like that, Like you're the daughter I can go to
Speaker 6: for anything. But the other ones are like my babies.
Speaker 6: That's how I look at it. Maybe I could be wrong,
Speaker 6: but that's how I think parents.
Speaker 2: So you feel like you did.
Speaker 1: I think parents do treat their children different regardless. Right,
Speaker 1: everybody has a different personality, and he probably saw more
Speaker 1: of himself and you while there was a different type
Speaker 1: of you know, closeness with you as opposed to with them.
Speaker 1: And then also it could be their personalities. Do they
Speaker 1: act more delicate you're the rebellious one. Want to hang
Speaker 1: outside with niggas? Yeah, I did, Like they're in the
Speaker 1: house like you know, so I don't know, but I see.
Speaker 1: I definitely see your perspective and how you would feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's just I mean, that's just what it was.
Speaker 6: I don't like I said, they never threw, They never
Speaker 6: called me like black, because if anybody called me, you know,
Speaker 6: how to be like with your.
Speaker 4: Black cells, like.
Speaker 6: I don't know, to be sorry, Yes that was a
Speaker 6: black That was how I was like brought up in
Speaker 6: school and stuff. If you the dark girls, the dark
Speaker 6: girls were overlooked. It was like the light skin bitches
Speaker 6: that were very, very very popular. But there has beens
Speaker 6: now now the black girls are winning, like they wont
Speaker 6: to slip pink.
Speaker 2: All the coaches is pink on black light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's on the inside.
Speaker 2: So you know, do you.
Speaker 1: All think some of it does stem from like the
Speaker 1: school time. Okay, so you got like the fine ass dudes.
Speaker 1: They are after the light skin girls and a lot
Speaker 1: of them. That's what we see now when niggas is
Speaker 1: buying bitches because they didn't have access to the light
Speaker 1: skin pretty girl you know, quote unquote in high schools.
Speaker 1: So now you get the check, and now you can
Speaker 1: add water, add money for instant swag, and now you
Speaker 1: got the bitch you always wanted access to. Do you
Speaker 1: think like the dating in high school where black women,
Speaker 1: darker skinned women didn't feel chosen by men, Right, that's
Speaker 1: really not a problem with the other woman. It's really not.
Speaker 1: The issue really isn't with the lighter skinned woman because
Speaker 1: she can't help who likes her. So in high school,
Speaker 1: did you not, I feel like the guys like engaged
Speaker 1: with you as much the ones you wanted.
Speaker 4: So I didn't really I was.
Speaker 6: My focus was cheerleading and the nigga i'm with today, Marcus.
Speaker 6: I've been with him since I was fifteen, So I
Speaker 6: ran behind one guy, damned in my whole life. So
Speaker 6: I don't know, he was my main focus. I didn't
Speaker 6: care about nothing but cheerleading in Marcus. Cheerleading in Marcus,
Speaker 6: and he was pretty much the same as me, like
Speaker 6: the dark skinned one in his family. Like there were
Speaker 6: comments made about, oh, that's not my son because he's black.
Speaker 4: So we pretty much can relate in that on that subject.
Speaker 3: So so y'all had a trauma bond as kids based
Speaker 3: on much, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's how it was
Speaker 3: because a lot of his family they're not dark like
Speaker 3: me and him, but they're more like aj like the
Speaker 3: caramel Tammy, the caramel color, not black like me and him.
Speaker 3: Look like we shared a feel together picking cott and
Speaker 3: that type of black. But no, but yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: we can relate on, you know, being called the dark child.
Speaker 3: And at that moment, you know, growing up, I didn't
Speaker 3: see nobody but Marcus, and in today, I don't see
Speaker 3: I have a slew of color friends. I have my
Speaker 3: red chicks, I have my darken chips chicks. But I
Speaker 3: look at them, I don't see their color. I see
Speaker 3: they're hard. I don't see people. It's I don't see color.
Speaker 6: I can't say, oh, that light skinned girl over there
Speaker 6: or that dark skinned girl over there. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: look at that pretty girl right there. And I got
Speaker 6: I hated to hear growing up. Oh she's pretty for
Speaker 6: a dark skinned girl. That grind my gears. Why can't
Speaker 6: she just be.
Speaker 1: Because it's not color is your facial features, Because like
Speaker 1: you said, you can be light skin and fair complexed
Speaker 1: and not have nice features, right.
Speaker 4: That just for me.
Speaker 3: When I was growing up, I always considered myself dark skinned.
Speaker 3: But much like your dad, aj, I spent a lot of.
Speaker 2: Time me too.
Speaker 1: I was black as hell.
Speaker 3: I was glad. I was black as hell as a kid,
Speaker 3: So I didn't even know like this is my color,
Speaker 3: my natural color until I got grown and stopped running
Speaker 3: out there in that swim like.
Speaker 1: But I used to be black from the eyes up,
Speaker 1: like I was averigining. My oldest sister would be like,
Speaker 1: you look like a damn aborigine. My forehead used to
Speaker 1: be so black, y'all, and my skin just looked like dust.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, it just looked like I
Speaker 1: haven't played in dirt all day.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't.
Speaker 5: It was just dirt all day.
Speaker 1: The tone, like the little red undertone was trying to
Speaker 1: come up out of there. But it's just that something
Speaker 1: beat me up. And I mean, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: a little bit more healthy. The darker the skin is
Speaker 1: get all like the vitamin D.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: I ain't never seen a dark skinned girl crack, you know,
Speaker 3: like they say black don't crack and they meet and
Speaker 3: there's there's a spectrum for that because.
Speaker 2: The darker you are, the TIGHTI your skin stay. I
Speaker 2: feel like you think. So you got absolutely okay.
Speaker 3: I got one night I had since okay, and I
Speaker 3: got botox.
Speaker 2: Bit you, I don't know what I got up on
Speaker 2: the hill y'all talk about.
Speaker 1: I used to west Swop for years, and all of
Speaker 1: years are frowning and crying behind fucking niggas. One day
Speaker 1: I just started wearing my forehead out and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I got rainkos.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: So the melanin do protect you from that sun? Sunscreen
Speaker 3: ain't nothing but liquid melon in as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: If you put it under a black light, it'll you'll
Speaker 3: look black. So it's all it is is liquid melion.
Speaker 2: Oh look, she's like interesting.
Speaker 4: I never knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I didn't hate that we black people
Speaker 1: are facing so much shit in America, in this world,
Speaker 1: because no matter the skin complexion, it's almost like we
Speaker 1: hated across the diaspora. Right, So then for us to
Speaker 1: be feuding amongst the different people of the different cultures
Speaker 1: in the diaspora, then amongst the different subgroups, like we
Speaker 1: are we doomed at this point. I feel I don't
Speaker 1: think that black people will ever be on the same
Speaker 1: accord collectively at this point, because we can't see past
Speaker 1: all the little stupid, dumb ass idiosyncrasies within our community. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like light and dark, yeah right, And I don't want
Speaker 1: to be insensitive. I remember Tam and I had a
Speaker 1: guest on Doctor Orioo. She was a uh sexologist doctor,
Speaker 1: but she started going into colorism and texturism and futurism
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and then, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to make somebody uncomfortable, and I never not
Speaker 1: want to validate, you know, someone's feelings on something in
Speaker 1: particular you're experience. But if me and Tam really did not,
Speaker 1: we kind of like swerve, swerve that fucking conversation right quick, right,
Speaker 1: because no, we aren't light skinned, but maybe our experience
Speaker 1: isn't the same. And we just couldn't have that conversation
Speaker 1: with her because I really wasn't with the topic. What
Speaker 1: were we talking about? We were talking about sex, you know,
Speaker 1: so it started going into colorism. I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: because that is one of her other things. But it's
Speaker 1: almost like you can't dark darker skinned women. You can't
Speaker 1: challenge them in any way about that stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: because I do feel like a lot of it is internal,
Speaker 1: you know, and light skinned women and it may have
Speaker 1: very well been put on a pedestodair whole lives, but
Speaker 1: is that their fault?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I have a friend. We had our odds right now,
Speaker 1: so I ain't talk to that bitch and by the
Speaker 1: month or so, but hey, Lisa, I have a friend,
Speaker 1: right and she has a platform on social media and
Speaker 1: she does like does like spiritualism and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and she is very, very smart. She's an intellectual, and
Speaker 1: it's almost like you cannot be light skin smart. Funny.
Speaker 1: The very first thing I always would see, because she
Speaker 1: would on Clubhouse is where I met her. She'd be
Speaker 1: running her rooms and I'll be just looking at like
Speaker 1: what people saying in the chat. It would always be, oh,
Speaker 1: how the fuck does she talk about this? She don't
Speaker 1: even got she not even black. Her mama white. When
Speaker 1: I tell you, her mom is darken than all three
Speaker 1: of us. She's Jamaican. Her father is lighter, but her dad,
Speaker 1: her mom is a black woman, and she looks exactly
Speaker 1: like her mama. Future wise, future wise, the only thing
Speaker 1: is the skin tone. But that would be the main
Speaker 1: goal to and it would always be black women attacking
Speaker 1: this lighter skinned black woman about her skin tone. That's
Speaker 1: the like a goal to to offend somebody.
Speaker 4: So do you do you?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like or do y'all feel like? Was
Speaker 1: the hate ever coming from lights lighter skinned women? Because
Speaker 1: I had one of my homegirls cut this light skinned
Speaker 1: girl hair in high school. So I would always see
Speaker 1: the darker skinned women attacking lighter skinned women physically, verbally,
Speaker 1: and it's like, bitch, you can't fight anyway. So now
Speaker 1: they got to learn to fight because somebody's gonna try
Speaker 1: them on a daily basis, because for whatever reason, within
Speaker 1: the black community, we associate light skin with white.
Speaker 4: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I can't remember a time where I felt like the
Speaker 3: light skinned girl was the aggressor with a dark, darker
Speaker 3: skinned woman, but they I have seen them be attacked
Speaker 3: by darker skinned women.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Why my friend, my biracial friend, she's like, you know,
Speaker 6: people I've seen when somebody tried her because oh, she
Speaker 6: mikes white people can't fight. You know, we already have
Speaker 6: the stereotype that we could beat they white.
Speaker 4: People ask anyway.
Speaker 6: But she is a certified beast with the hands. I'm like,
Speaker 6: where the fuck did you come from? Yeah, that nigga
Speaker 6: is in.
Speaker 1: Why we ain't see and being able to whoop ass
Speaker 1: with niggas because I don't see niggas gotta beat up
Speaker 1: by white boys because they bite. Really, they do all
Speaker 1: the things to win the fucking fight. Okay, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend light skin and when I tell you he's
Speaker 1: a light skinned nigga, what what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Drake said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm light skinned, but I'm still a dark nigga.
Speaker 1: That's him.
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't know why people do that because my
Speaker 6: best friend, she has a little boy. Of course, my
Speaker 6: best friend is like skin her. She has a child
Speaker 6: with my cousin. He's red, not even a dirty red,
Speaker 6: he's red. So they both have like a He looks biracial,
Speaker 6: but he's not. But coming along, he was a little badass.
Speaker 6: So he goes my boyfriend Marcus. I've never seen a
Speaker 6: bad red nigga before. What you a little bad red nigga.
Speaker 6: Red niggas supposed to be soft. I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: just something.
Speaker 3: You know, Marcus Michael Jackson was bad when he was brown,
Speaker 3: when he was like.
Speaker 1: It ain't nobody was whipping prints, okay, right.
Speaker 4: A little ba Yeah, It's like wow, yeah, but that's
Speaker 4: what It's just.
Speaker 6: I think it's what was embedded in us was also
Speaker 6: embedded in the white folks about well, what'sn't bettered about us?
Speaker 4: About white people?
Speaker 6: The same thing there were you know, oh those niggas,
Speaker 6: and we're looking at all those honkys. It's just like,
Speaker 6: I think it's a generational thing. Honestly, That's how I
Speaker 6: feel about the light skin the dark skins. It's just
Speaker 6: something that came from the older generation and it went
Speaker 6: over and over and over and over.
Speaker 4: So that's, you know, when.
Speaker 3: I think of white people honky.
Speaker 6: I'm back, I grew up with honky because I'm from
Speaker 6: Holkes secretly loved black women in particular because that's actually
Speaker 6: where the term came from.
Speaker 1: So if you think back to like the days where
Speaker 1: they had like the whorehouses and and and shit like that.
Speaker 1: So the white men who wanted to trick on the
Speaker 1: black women. They'd come past the building honked air horn,
Speaker 1: So then the pimp would probably be like, y'all are
Speaker 1: honky outside.
Speaker 4: I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: That's where the term honky comes from. Now, cracker comes from,
Speaker 1: cracking that fucking whip.
Speaker 4: Wi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, and I think that's why we feel
Speaker 3: like we can fight.
Speaker 2: Because we've been getting beats.
Speaker 3: You got this motherfucker, you know. So I think that's
Speaker 3: why we feel like we can take a whoop.
Speaker 1: Slavery ended because we was fucking they ass up. Okay,
Speaker 1: let them tell it, oh Lincoln it no, Okay, the
Speaker 1: the fucking Haitians came over here. We was fighting them crackers, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why slavery.
Speaker 2: Ended, fighting bad.
Speaker 1: We was never laying down. And so there was some
Speaker 1: people because we see niggas laying down today, okay, but
Speaker 1: not not the majority of us, not collectively was. We
Speaker 1: wasn't having it. We was definitely fighting and dying.
Speaker 3: Right, So let's talk about all right, And this is
Speaker 3: this is me being my ignorance, So y'all forgive me
Speaker 3: in advance.
Speaker 2: Listeners too, don't come for me.
Speaker 3: Oftentimes, when I see that there's a mixed race child
Speaker 3: or a mixed race girl, I'd be like, what color
Speaker 3: was your mama?
Speaker 2: Oh, if the mama was white.
Speaker 3: I view this person more as a white person versus
Speaker 3: a black person, And I don't know if that's I know,
Speaker 3: that's ignorant and it's probably not fair because.
Speaker 1: We just saw that with the Drake and Kendrick, and
Speaker 1: that's where I was getting into.
Speaker 3: I was getting to Drake and Kendrick Lamar and how
Speaker 3: Kendrick was like basically saying he's not black enough.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Is that a thing?
Speaker 3: Do y'all feel like that's a real thing, you know,
Speaker 3: to call somebody not black enough because of how much
Speaker 3: who is black in the family and how black they are,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Well, that's how it is.
Speaker 6: What one of my close friends, her mom is white,
Speaker 6: her dad is black, But like I said, she fight
Speaker 6: like a man, So I'm thinking it's stemming from her
Speaker 6: black side. But then again, I heard stories that her
Speaker 6: mama used to whoop ass in Germany, So I'm like, damn,
Speaker 6: so your mama know how to throw hands, So yeah,
Speaker 6: the white side of her, I guess, in the black
Speaker 6: side of her, I think she just got it on it.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, like your day to day right, so
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I yeah, she's my friend is It's like she knows
Speaker 6: how to switch it up.
Speaker 4: Like I could see when the family come around, there
Speaker 4: is gathering and she's like, hi are you when when
Speaker 4: I'm around, girl? What the yeah? What girl? What the
Speaker 4: fuck you doing? So I see both switch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all yeah, we all had the code switch.
Speaker 3: She just might have to code switch in a different way.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 6: I am not that girl. You're gonna get the same
Speaker 6: lady every day all day. I'm just the same person.
Speaker 6: I can't switch it up because I feel like I'll
Speaker 6: be fake to myself.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I mean, I know how to
Speaker 4: be professional, but I'm just the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never worked a corporate job and not like
Speaker 1: just maybe maybe by the month, and here it comes
Speaker 1: trouble haircut. You fucking right, because I am a nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm a real nigga when I out clock out, So
Speaker 1: piss me off in this office. I'm be on your
Speaker 1: ass in the garage. I swear to god, I had
Speaker 1: a nigga like I wanted him to pull up on
Speaker 1: his white bitch. I used to work with not I
Speaker 1: wanted somebody to do something to that lady. But back
Speaker 1: to the Drake and j Coles, and I do feel like,
Speaker 1: because like I always say, black is a culture, right,
Speaker 1: anybody can be in the black culture. We try to
Speaker 1: dismiss people from the black culture. But there are white
Speaker 1: people who grow up in the hood. You know, there
Speaker 1: are Hispanic people who grow and I hate to associate
Speaker 1: black with hood, but come on, y'all, uh like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it is what it is. It's urban, right,
Speaker 1: So because there is a different class, right of black people,
Speaker 1: and they are light and dark. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: Boulet and you know, the divine Nines, all the different
Speaker 1: you know, they they they have. I've read this book.
Speaker 1: I started reading this book called Our Kind of People,
Speaker 1: and it actually made a series out of it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back and watch it. But it talks about
Speaker 1: the upper class Black American experience. But I do think
Speaker 1: there's a difference between like somebody who's raised by a
Speaker 1: black mother in comparison to someone who's raised by a
Speaker 1: white mother, because you are more likely, as this biracial child,
Speaker 1: to get a black experience over somebody who's raised by
Speaker 1: a white woman like Drake is black and Jewish, which
Speaker 1: is not a right. So he's black and white and
Speaker 1: his are Polish, let's be very clear, okay. And he
Speaker 1: was raised by his mom like his daddy was estranged
Speaker 1: most of his life, so I associate him with that
Speaker 1: Jewish woman, and Tam could tell you since the beginning
Speaker 1: of since since we talked back conception, I have been
Speaker 1: calling Drake the white man that infiltrated hip hop since
Speaker 1: our very first episode, because that is exactly who he is,
Speaker 1: you know. So we looked at different rappers like Eminem
Speaker 1: and all these other people who are actually like ap
Speaker 1: pairing presenting as white men. Drake was the unsuspecting white
Speaker 1: man who studied hip hop like a college course and
Speaker 1: he's perfected it and he's become one of the greatest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about But here's the thing. J Cole
Speaker 3: got napi as hell, right, and.
Speaker 1: He just looks like a light skinning.
Speaker 2: But but his mother is white.
Speaker 3: But people don't give him, Yeah, he got a white mom,
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like people give him that same
Speaker 3: type of stamp that they give Drake for being white,
Speaker 3: even though they have pretty much similar genetic makeup when
Speaker 3: it comes to halfway, I think.
Speaker 1: What it is is that Drake exploits the worst of
Speaker 1: black culture. Right Meanwhile J Cole is more like some
Speaker 1: people would call him a revolutionary or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, some people I don't think that he really
Speaker 1: is on black struggle issues like that, Like he raps
Speaker 1: about it, but what is he actively doing in regards
Speaker 1: to it. So I feel like that is the difference
Speaker 1: between them. Like, Drake, you do not grow up in
Speaker 1: this black culture. Ja Cole absolutely did, So he understands
Speaker 1: the struggle more so He's not going to be the
Speaker 1: one to exploit black struggle as if that's the only
Speaker 1: thing black people are. But that's what Drake does, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's why he's synced up with Sexy Red, and
Speaker 1: you know every day I like Sexy Red more. I
Speaker 1: don't know why those people exist in our culture. People
Speaker 1: like her exist, so she represents just like black women,
Speaker 1: darker skinned women feel like you don't have representation and
Speaker 1: music and on TV and all that their Sexy Red
Speaker 1: is representing all the hood bitches. Because I'm from Charleston
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, like fifty percent of the women
Speaker 1: look like sexy red here.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: Really yes, like that is that those people are a
Speaker 1: part of our community. And I hate to even say
Speaker 1: those people.
Speaker 3: Well, I hate I hope y'all aren't grabbing y'all kochie lives.
Speaker 1: And that was wild.
Speaker 2: I ain't like that when she that was too.
Speaker 1: Much, that's too much. But she represents us culture of
Speaker 1: niggas that some of us be looking like at them
Speaker 1: like the same way maybe darker people would feel like
Speaker 1: light skinned people look at them. We do look at
Speaker 1: them like ugh, you know.
Speaker 2: But it ain't got nothing to do with color.
Speaker 3: It's definitely with class behavior sometimes class socialism.
Speaker 1: And she's from Saint Louis. I lived in Saint Louis
Speaker 1: almost five years, and I could tell you it's no
Speaker 1: real racism in Saint Louis. It's definitely classism. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: like the rich niggas against the broke niggas, the white
Speaker 1: white people against you know, and it's a melting pot
Speaker 1: and white people, but there's Russians, there's Cambodians. It's like
Speaker 1: a melting pot of all these different cultures. And it's
Speaker 1: like do you have money or not? And who do
Speaker 1: you know and what do you have access? To it's
Speaker 1: like that in Saint Louis.
Speaker 3: That sounds like the American way right there, though, Yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: Do you have anything to offer a young black girl
Speaker 3: who's listening to this episode in terms of self esteem?
Speaker 6: Hmmm, a young black girl, I will say, let me
Speaker 6: speak back to my younger self.
Speaker 4: Being like you, you were enough.
Speaker 6: I feel like I wasn't at one point. I know
Speaker 6: now you were enough looking back at my younger self,
Speaker 6: like you did, what they say did not matter to you.
Speaker 6: I had a very low self esteem issue, like very
Speaker 6: very very low. And then I had to build that
Speaker 6: confidence within myself now within a man, now within what
Speaker 6: they say, he say, she say. It was just like
Speaker 6: what do you think about yourself? And I had to
Speaker 6: learn that as an adult, like love you, love every
Speaker 6: ounce of what you see in that mirror every morning
Speaker 6: that you wake up like you are a beautiful black woman.
Speaker 6: God picked you to look this way and be this
Speaker 6: way for a reason, and I know God don't make
Speaker 6: no mistakes.
Speaker 4: So I feel like, love who you are.
Speaker 6: Don't don't let an image a lifestyle did take who
Speaker 6: you are as a person. Love every ounce of you
Speaker 6: and you will see how that would make you feel,
Speaker 6: you know, on the inside, make your heart feel so
Speaker 6: much open and pure. That's why I was like when
Speaker 6: I became an adult, I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 6: tired of listening to what or looking on the internet,
Speaker 6: especially these girls that are so lost in image and lifestyle.
Speaker 4: That's not me.
Speaker 6: I want to love me first before I could let
Speaker 6: the world love me. I want to love me first
Speaker 6: before you know. I'm like, I can't. I can't keep
Speaker 6: living my life for other people. I want to love
Speaker 6: learn to love me therapy, you know, me reading and
Speaker 6: looking at real you know, spiritual reels. I'm learning to
Speaker 6: love me. And for a long time, I didn't love me.
Speaker 6: I didn't even know who I was. I didn't even
Speaker 6: know what love was. But I think I finally finally
Speaker 6: knew what love was like at the age of thirty
Speaker 6: five or thirty six, I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 6: I just didn't know what it was because I didn't
Speaker 6: come from love. I came from chaos. So now as
Speaker 6: a woman, I love every ounce of me down to
Speaker 6: the big terrier.
Speaker 2: I love me, even that black even that black big toe.
Speaker 4: Now, yes it ain't black, not you confirming.
Speaker 1: What black toe.
Speaker 6: No it's actually whir it's a white Yeah, I gotta white.
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen that.
Speaker 6: Answer to that, but no, yeah they're white, they're white. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but I love that too.
Speaker 3: But you know, I feel like that's an experience, not
Speaker 3: you know, not only just for you. A lot of
Speaker 3: women struggle with self love, and you know, oftentimes we
Speaker 3: know it is in our late thirties and forties when
Speaker 3: we're starting to feel like, now I'm fully okay with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fully okay with who.
Speaker 3: I am, and I'm I'm living in it and I'm
Speaker 3: walking it in. And once you start doing that, it exustes.
Speaker 3: People can tell, you know, people can see that, yes,
Speaker 3: when you're fully loving yourself. So that is good advice,
Speaker 3: not just to the Chocolate Sisters, but everybody listening to me.
Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of light skinned
Speaker 1: women who also have self esteem issues, a lot of
Speaker 1: and you know, and it might come through, you know,
Speaker 1: as promiscuity, you know, growing up things like that, them
Speaker 1: just letting anybody have back, and that's just all of us.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So this so this past Saturday, y'all was my birthday.
Speaker 1: Tell me, hey, birthday, and I turned I turned like
Speaker 1: three d. I turned four d right, and with my
Speaker 1: little post on social media, I put like this, like
Speaker 1: I'm hugging Lot Ashley with the Jerry curl, okay, because
Speaker 1: that was my insecurity growing up. I was chunky with
Speaker 1: a goddamn Jerry curl. My mom will not let me
Speaker 1: get that damn curl out my fucking head because you know,
Speaker 1: she had to work all day. So low maintenance Jerry curle,
Speaker 1: get that shit done once every couple months. Put your
Speaker 1: juice in there. I used to be leaving juice on
Speaker 1: the bus window growing up, and I used to suck
Speaker 1: my thumb. So I'm like, God, damn mama, like it's
Speaker 1: either the thumb sucking or the Jerry curl, Like I
Speaker 1: need one of them to get away. So I fell
Speaker 1: in love with this little boy in the hood and
Speaker 1: I couldn't get the Jerry curl out, so I stopped
Speaker 1: sucking my thumb. So that's who I'm hugging, little black
Speaker 1: ass actually with the Jerry curl.
Speaker 2: Y'all sucking her thumb?
Speaker 1: Why one year this nigga I went to high school
Speaker 1: with does light skinned nigga. Okay, wish me happy birthday,
Speaker 1: And I actually posted on my page because the shit
Speaker 1: was fucking hilarious. This is this is time people be
Speaker 1: watching you and want to bring you down a little notch. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think I'm lit in real life, you know.
Speaker 1: So he sends me an inbox message on Instagram. He
Speaker 1: was like, happy birthday, Ashley. You remember you had that
Speaker 1: Jerry Curl. That was it. That was a whole fucking message. HBD.
Speaker 1: Remember when you used to have that Jerry Curl? And
Speaker 1: I shot it and I posted it on my page
Speaker 1: because nigga, I'm lit and I've been sitting on people
Speaker 1: in my adolescents and adulthood, So now what with that
Speaker 1: Jerry Curl? Of course I remember Nigga, you know, was
Speaker 1: in my head in the summertime, Okay, real she used
Speaker 1: to be sticking to that guy, Damn Jerry Curl.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I would have been like, thank you.
Speaker 1: Remember you was in there, got a bunch of kids
Speaker 1: you can't take, came and work and the mother Department
Speaker 1: that out here Nigga that day.
Speaker 2: So don't do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So everybody has their little things, man, their little things
Speaker 1: they have to work through to love themselves. And I
Speaker 1: and I do feel like maybe around thirty three about
Speaker 1: thirty three. I started, like I came out of the
Speaker 1: workforce for real, and I started. I never not fucked
Speaker 1: with me. You're right, but you just start. And maybe
Speaker 1: it started older because I think got moms like they
Speaker 1: start like maybe like fifty sixty, they'd be like fuck everybody.
Speaker 1: It starts early for us nowadays, like nah, fuck you.
Speaker 2: When I see a bitches start getting sister locks, that's.
Speaker 3: When I know they have uh accepted themself and the
Speaker 3: most foodess that they came.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not getting up till seventy.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting their mothers like at all.
Speaker 1: And they start treating people different, y'all, bitches with them
Speaker 1: sister locks, you're looking down at us like me ain't natural,
Speaker 1: Like like we ain't shit.
Speaker 2: Right because I gotta weaving you better than right.
Speaker 4: Five That was weavism.
Speaker 2: That's a whole nother subsector bullshit. Within the culture.
Speaker 5: We're still the same, bitch.
Speaker 1: I just look like I'm going to a wedding every day, Okay,
Speaker 1: y'all ways, y'all gotta go somewhere to get made up.
Speaker 4: Bitch.
Speaker 1: We going to weddings every day, every day, every day.
Speaker 2: Yo, They're gonna they're gonna argue that ship right there.
Speaker 1: But y'all do look like I'm going to watch you
Speaker 1: throw at least front on top of that ship for
Speaker 1: the wedding, right, So, Teresa, now we ain't gonna let
Speaker 1: you slide.
Speaker 4: We have a.
Speaker 1: Segment on the show called dumb Bitch Story. Dumb bitch Stories,
Speaker 1: so because we've all been a dumb bitch at least
Speaker 1: once or twice, okay, And it is not like to
Speaker 1: to ship on anybody, right because you might have gotten
Speaker 1: shipped on, but it doesn't make you a person. So
Speaker 1: I know you said you've been in this, this relationship
Speaker 1: of yours since you were a kid. But yep, so
Speaker 1: all your so anything that ever happened to you was
Speaker 1: always from this man.
Speaker 2: We're gonna post this, so look at the camera.
Speaker 6: Bit.
Speaker 1: So we need a dumb ben story. Tell us about
Speaker 1: the time you got played in a relationship, situationship.
Speaker 4: Play.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, picking time around this nigga, though, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you get in trouble.
Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta be careful.
Speaker 6: There are plenty of I got played with moments with
Speaker 6: his ass, he cheered on me like crazy, How How
Speaker 6: could I say it?
Speaker 4: So many?
Speaker 3: So many you ain't gotta you ain't got a break story,
Speaker 3: A story from when y'all took a break.
Speaker 2: I know y'all took a break.
Speaker 1: Oh god, you know break though that nigga's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you let that nigga play on your top.
Speaker 4: Now you can't back over here.
Speaker 6: He was running my dude, who's pretty much running two
Speaker 6: relationships at one time. I was the main bitch and
Speaker 6: he had a side check. I don't know if he
Speaker 6: made her feel like she was the main, but I
Speaker 6: was the main when she was the side or whatever whatever.
Speaker 6: But we both knew, and we both did not let
Speaker 6: him go being stupid. I'm twenty nineteen twenty. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's cheating on me, cheating on me, cheating on me.
Speaker 4: He's outside, so he get arrested for whatever whatever whatever.
Speaker 6: His mom was like, well, my son got five years,
Speaker 6: go ahead and just move on with your life.
Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not leaving him. I love him.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait on him. I waited one year. She
Speaker 4: came by.
Speaker 6: She was like, look, go out do your thing. You
Speaker 6: didn't put that those drugs in my son's hand. He
Speaker 6: did that to himself. Go out find you a friend.
Speaker 6: Oh for ree yes, his mom, so she was just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: go ahead, get you a friend, got me a friend.
Speaker 4: He was my best friend in Boom. I got pregnant
Speaker 4: by this man while my dude was in jail. So
Speaker 4: I'm finding my ex best friend at the time. Girl,
Speaker 4: I gotta get an abortion. Girl, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant.
Speaker 6: I went to my mo mom pregnant, but I gotta
Speaker 6: get abortion. Marc's gonna leave me. She was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: and when you do, you're no longer my child. You
Speaker 6: belong to God because they don't believe in abortions in
Speaker 6: my family. So I hid my pregnancy, hit it, hit
Speaker 6: it from marcus family. But marcus mom found out when
Speaker 6: I was five months. Sai, I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 6: month to tell him. I didn't tell him shit. They
Speaker 6: wind up telling him, you have an incoming call from
Speaker 6: an inmate from d D.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You mother fucking close it, bitch, you close it hole
Speaker 6: in all kind does that mean close it? Closet was
Speaker 6: a closet. I'm hide and I'm closet bitch, closet hole slut.
Speaker 4: I'm crying.
Speaker 6: I didn't know what to do, but he was outside
Speaker 6: and she allegedly the side chick got pregnant three four times.
Speaker 6: But I get pregnant for sure, and now I'm all
Speaker 6: kind of closet bitches and holes. But I don't know
Speaker 6: if that's a played moment or if I played him.
Speaker 6: But nigga, you y'all kept bringing up a baby in
Speaker 6: my face. I'm young, I'm hurt. You're telling me this
Speaker 6: girl's pregnant every other month. But boom, nigga got a
Speaker 6: real baby?
Speaker 4: What's up? What's up this child? He does?
Speaker 6: Granted, you know, my child's father was, like I said,
Speaker 6: was my best friend and I want to rest in peace.
Speaker 4: He passed away December twenty twenty one, so I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was the whole difference, and that's a
Speaker 6: whole different story.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he passed away.
Speaker 6: But my child, well, my boyfriend and my child saw
Speaker 6: him first when he came in this world.
Speaker 4: Besides the doctors. He saw him first. He didn't even
Speaker 4: see me first.
Speaker 6: So he's been calling him dad before he called his
Speaker 6: real dad dad. That's the only dad. Well that he
Speaker 6: that's the main dad that my child knows. He knows
Speaker 6: his real dad. They had a relationship, but that's the
Speaker 6: dad that he knows. So that's that was my story.
Speaker 6: I mean, you try to play with me with this
Speaker 6: girl you got. She got pregnant three or four times,
Speaker 6: but I got one big successful being on your damn head.
Speaker 6: I got a baby. Where your other kids at? She
Speaker 6: switched the number around, I got a baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try to be funny though, but what you
Speaker 1: like when your when your son's dad passed away? Like,
Speaker 1: did y'all see that video recently where the dude was
Speaker 1: on the couch because his girlfriend passed.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeh.
Speaker 2: Came in there like wow, I was. I was thinking that,
Speaker 2: but I ain't want to ask it because.
Speaker 1: I already know the story already.
Speaker 6: He did not, Like I was in there crying in
Speaker 6: the garage when I find out my baby daddy died.
Speaker 4: He called for work. I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: is you crying for?
Speaker 1: You crying for the second.
Speaker 4: Like it was my friend? He was.
Speaker 6: Girl, Yeah, he was my friend first. But I think
Speaker 6: that was just the emotion.
Speaker 1: Like you, that's your baby daddy, Like what Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was heart.
Speaker 6: He was my best friend before we became my baby daddy.
Speaker 6: And that's why I think a lot of people miss
Speaker 6: like we known each other since we were six years old.
Speaker 4: We grew up together. We were kids, so o k.
Speaker 6: Beyond him being my baby daddy, he was my friend. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he was really really my friend. Yeah, Marcus ain't like
Speaker 6: that ship.
Speaker 5: You want to go with you?
Speaker 4: He told me, do you want to go label saw him?
Speaker 6: I said, nigga, I might want to ride him one
Speaker 6: more time when I'm down there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it got deep. It got deep. Yea, it
Speaker 4: got deep.
Speaker 6: But oh god, I'm telling your black bitches be hitting low.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh you know that's just man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the story of wild story. So yeah,
Speaker 6: you said you had a baby. I made a baby
Speaker 6: and successfull, we had one. Don't play with me, Teresa.
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