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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are
Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they
Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephy and Beast start changing
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlyn, the Bechdel Cast is so hot
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, good, good good. We need to make a living,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, so true. Anyway, Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 3: the very hot Bechdel Cast right now.
Speaker 1: The sexiest Bechtel Cast yet.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so freaking sexy.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Zulander episode of the Bechdel Cast. My
Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus, my.
Speaker 3: Name is Caitlyn Deronte. This is our show where we
Speaker 3: examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel
Speaker 3: test as a jumping off point. But Jamie, what is that?
Speaker 1: Well, well, well, and I'm like did zee. Lads, we'll
Speaker 1: figure out. We'll figure it out. I have it in
Speaker 1: my notes, but I watched it two days ago, and
Speaker 1: literally my brain does not retain information for two days anymore. Okay.
Speaker 1: The Bechdel Test is a media metric created by queer
Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechtel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test. Why
Speaker 1: because it was co created by Liz Wallace, so that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Lots of uses for this test. The one
Speaker 1: we use requires to pass, two characters with names of
Speaker 1: a marginalized gender talking to each other about something other
Speaker 1: than a man for two lines of dialogue or more.
Speaker 1: Should be dialogue that moves the plot forward in some
Speaker 1: way ideally, ideally, ideally, But if we like the movie honestly,
Speaker 1: we'll be like, eh, shrey, kind of bezz.
Speaker 3: And if we hate the movie, even if it does pass,
Speaker 3: we'll be like, it doesn't pass.
Speaker 1: That is true. There are movies that have like, actually
Speaker 1: demonstrably passed that we're like, but let's be serious, but
Speaker 1: spiritually no, it doesn't. So it's more of a vibe.
Speaker 1: At this point, we've been doing the show for almost
Speaker 1: a decade.
Speaker 3: Truly, as you said, this is our Zoolander episode. We
Speaker 3: have a six time guest. Yes, wow, okay.
Speaker 4: Your past jacket status.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we owe you a house or something.
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 3: She's a comedian. You've seen her on The Tonight Show,
Speaker 3: Comedy Central, Netflix. She's gonna be doing her solo show
Speaker 3: at the Black Women in Comedy Festival on February twenty seventh.
Speaker 3: She also, in addition to me, has a master's degree
Speaker 3: in film from Boston University. Yea, and you've heard her
Speaker 3: on dozens of other episodes. It's Canise Mobley, Hello.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be here. I'm just happy to
Speaker 4: see your right and shining faces.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, hey Canise, welcome to the Bechdel Cast
Speaker 3: Center for Kids who can't podcast? Good?
Speaker 4: What is this a center for? Ed?
Speaker 1: Gosh?
Speaker 4: Which I say in real life too often.
Speaker 3: It's a very quotable movie. And tell us what your
Speaker 3: your relationship with the movie is, Canise.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I had not watched this movie in five years,
Speaker 4: and I rewatched it to discuss with you, lovely ladies,
Speaker 4: and to realize that big chunks of your personality came
Speaker 4: from a weird movie from twenty five years ago. To
Speaker 4: just have to accept that about yourself is hard. You
Speaker 4: thought you were an individual creation, sprung a whole cloth
Speaker 4: out of nothing, but no, you were just amalgamation of
Speaker 4: other people's thoughts and that's okay.
Speaker 3: And that's okay. So this was a big movie of
Speaker 3: your earlier life.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I watched this. So it came out in
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. I definitely watched this throughout high school.
Speaker 4: Definitely quoted it with my friends a lot because we
Speaker 4: all watched it. We were not cool, but this movie
Speaker 4: made us feel cool to one another.
Speaker 3: Nice. I love that.
Speaker 4: What about you guys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, how about you?
Speaker 1: I'd never seen this, can you believe it? I'd never
Speaker 1: seen Zoolander? And I was approaching it with I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ben Stiller has had such an interesting trajectory as a
Speaker 1: person where he's he is I feel, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about him personally, so hopefully there's
Speaker 1: not something scary I don't know, but he is a
Speaker 1: NEPO baby to root for. I think I had never
Speaker 1: seen this. I was worried about it when I saw
Speaker 1: the year it was released. And you're like, well, how
Speaker 1: is this good to age? And the answer is certainly
Speaker 1: not perfectly, but better than I thought. Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: like an element of timelessness to this movie. It was
Speaker 1: like saying more then I feel like that is such
Speaker 1: a hard needle to thread in broad comedies like this,
Speaker 1: where it's like this movie is saying something, but it's
Speaker 1: not like bonking you over the head with it, which
Speaker 1: is hard to do. I don't know, I was. I
Speaker 1: was like, very, very very into this movie. I have
Speaker 1: not seen this sequel, which I hear is very transphobic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear that the sequel is like is garbage, but
Speaker 1: this is this is my entry and probably exit because
Speaker 1: it sounds like this sequel's bad into the Zuelander expanded universe,
Speaker 1: and I was into it. I like, Derek, I love himbos,
Speaker 1: you know, like we just need to get the hit
Speaker 1: if we truly get the hymbos on our side, if
Speaker 1: we can get the hembos out to some protests, we're cooking.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is It actually made me
Speaker 1: think about La Protests a lot, where it's like you
Speaker 1: just got to get the himbos, you know, activated in
Speaker 1: the right direction.
Speaker 3: It helps.
Speaker 1: I volunteered with many Derek Szulanders in my day.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want.
Speaker 4: I have been a bookish lady my whole life, but
Speaker 4: I love a dumb jock hook and that has been
Speaker 4: a fun part of my life for years. I'm pro that.
Speaker 4: But they have a gasoline fight with their mouths open.
Speaker 4: Their mouths are open. During that gasoline fight, he gets
Speaker 4: strayed with water from somebody driving by, and then he
Speaker 4: goes home. Notice he does not at any point wash
Speaker 4: his face or take off his jacket that was dripping
Speaker 4: with New York City street water, and then just lays
Speaker 4: in his bed.
Speaker 1: I do like that this would be. There were certain
Speaker 1: moments of this movie where I didn't see coming, such
Speaker 1: as seeing a young Alexander Scars blow up. Was not
Speaker 1: ready for that. I was like, whoa, wow, interesting. I mean, mekus,
Speaker 1: I guess so. I was just like, I was like
Speaker 1: squinting at the screen, like, hold on, there's no way,
Speaker 1: but there is. Then he's and then he's dead two
Speaker 1: minutes later. It's so wild. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just stuff about this movie that doesn't age well,
Speaker 1: such as Andy Dick in general. But I was impressed
Speaker 1: with this Vivie. I really enjoyed it. Caitlyn what's your
Speaker 1: history of Zoolander.
Speaker 3: My history is similar to Canisi's in that I watched
Speaker 3: this movie a lot in the early to mid two thousands.
Speaker 3: The little cough that Derek Zulander does where he's just like,
Speaker 3: I'll just do that sometimes in life. I liked it
Speaker 3: because I think that, again, not all of the humor
Speaker 3: holds up, certainly, but enough of it does that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you're actually saying something here. It reminds me of Josie
Speaker 3: and the puss Cats, another one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 3: because it's about you know, conspiracies hidden in the entertainment
Speaker 3: industry that exists to manipulate or exploit people. And so
Speaker 3: they're very similar movies to me. So I think this
Speaker 3: is just like a subgenre that I enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that like came out during a very specific time
Speaker 1: because their aesthetics are very similar to Yeah, like, they're
Speaker 1: both super I mean, this is like the most boring
Speaker 1: complaint to make about movies, but like, wow, these movies
Speaker 1: are so colorful. Movies aren't colorful anymore.
Speaker 3: So I love this movie, you know, as a young adult.
Speaker 3: But then I stopped watching it. I hadn't seen it
Speaker 3: in probably like ten or more years, so there's a
Speaker 3: pretty big gap, and I couldn't remember all the things
Speaker 3: about it. Certainly there were jokes that I was like, oh, yes,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about them. But overall, this movie does hold
Speaker 3: up better than you might expect. So let's take a
Speaker 3: quick break and then we'll come back and do the recap. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we're back and here's the recap. Oh right, I
Speaker 3: forgot Zuelander.
Speaker 1: There's also the Donald Trump caveo jumps that as well.
Speaker 1: He did not love to see it. I can't believe
Speaker 1: I've brought up. I mean, to me, personally, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and Andy Dick are comparably evil. Andy Dick just has
Speaker 1: less power. But yeah, there are there are some of
Speaker 1: history's greatest monsters that make cameo appearances in this movie. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just like, genuinely, I was enjoying it so much.
Speaker 4: And then it was like like when Trump showed up,
Speaker 4: I was like, no, not in Oh no, he's in
Speaker 4: the past too. He exists everywhere.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this recently where it's like if
Speaker 1: Donald Trump makes so many cameos during of this ten
Speaker 1: year period. But also, Kaitlyn, when you're talking about Gremlins two,
Speaker 1: and You're like, so many villains over like a period
Speaker 1: of forty years in movies are clearly mapped on him too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, iff in Back to the Future two is very
Speaker 3: clearly mapped onto Donald Trump. He does a cameo in
Speaker 3: Home Alone two famously. Yeah, he has a cameo in
Speaker 3: Little Rascals. Oh, if anyone remembers that.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I do, remember that he's just in movies and now
Speaker 3: he's our fascist American president and you hate to see it.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: Cameo is awesome though, and holds up amazingly well, Billy Zayne.
Speaker 1: I yes, Yeah, However, many nipples I end up giving
Speaker 1: a spoiler alert, they're all going to Billy's he slays this.
Speaker 1: This also starts a pattern in his career of him
Speaker 1: make He's very open to making cameos as himself, which
Speaker 1: understandably many actors aren't. But Billy's aid, you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of us. He's got like Billy's saying, and I can,
Speaker 1: I can say insider Hollywood info. Billy's aye sits with
Speaker 1: the crew. He's not a diva. He's not a diva.
Speaker 1: He's nice.
Speaker 4: What's he been doing?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's been well, he's playing.
Speaker 3: Oh who is he?
Speaker 1: Who is he playing? In an upcoming movie? He's in
Speaker 1: a biopic?
Speaker 3: Soon is he Marlon Brando in a movie?
Speaker 1: I think he might be playing Marlon Brando. I really
Speaker 1: think that the zannaissance is going to come upon us
Speaker 1: because we like he's very, very talented. I think he
Speaker 1: got so typecast after Titanic in a way that was
Speaker 1: like hard to bounce back from. But he's a great
Speaker 1: comic actor. He's a great dramatic actor. The guy can
Speaker 1: read the room.
Speaker 4: I just I want his features are striking, Like I
Speaker 4: know that's here to say, especially in a movie about
Speaker 4: male models. But of the people in this movie, I'm like,
Speaker 4: damn Billy zaying turn it down.
Speaker 3: His resting face is just magnum. He has magnum.
Speaker 1: He ah man, I just I just love that that
Speaker 1: damn Billy's aim. What a He has such riz And
Speaker 1: it's it's not fair because they I think they like
Speaker 1: hot him down in Titanic because he has to be
Speaker 1: next to young Leo. They put on like the weird
Speaker 1: eye makeup that is like Vaudeville villain coated or whatever,
Speaker 1: and like a weird.
Speaker 4: Hair flip that. I'm like, is that his actual hair?
Speaker 4: Is that? Because it looks like a wig on top? Like,
Speaker 4: it's just I don't like it. You guys have the
Speaker 4: Titanic experts.
Speaker 3: But thank you.
Speaker 1: But when they let him go bald Moude, You're like,
Speaker 1: this is this is a beautiful man. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: he's just yeah, he's going to play Caitlin. I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Yes he's playing. This year, he's playing Marlon
Speaker 1: Brando in Waltzing with Brando alongside John Heater whoa aka Napoleon,
Speaker 1: and Richard Dreyfus. I don't know, no accounting for it.
Speaker 4: I thought Richard Dreyfus was dead.
Speaker 1: This also comes as a surprise to me.
Speaker 3: No apparent.
Speaker 1: He's he's seventy seven. He's alive and well in the
Speaker 1: upcoming Marlon Brando Billy's Aane biopic.
Speaker 3: Wow, look at god, this is just wild fascinating. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Here's what happens in the movie Zoolander. All right, all right, okay.
Speaker 3: We open on a news story about the new Prime
Speaker 3: Minister of Malaysia promising to raise the minimum wage and
Speaker 3: to end child labor once and for all. Watching this
Speaker 3: news story is a group of fashion industry moguls who
Speaker 3: rely on exploited child labor in sweatshops in countries like
Speaker 3: Malaysia to make a profit, and so they want a
Speaker 3: fashion designer named jakobiim Mugatu played by Will Ferrell, to
Speaker 3: find someone to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia when
Speaker 3: he visits New York City in two weeks, which coincides
Speaker 3: with Fashion Week.
Speaker 1: This is the perfect use of Will Ferrell.
Speaker 4: I feel, yes, I agree perfectly civil Ferreal, but I
Speaker 4: also love the idea that, like everyone agrees child labor
Speaker 4: is bad because we're not there anymore, and we may
Speaker 4: people on the Republican side arguing that kids deserve the
Speaker 4: right to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill's character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so genuinely to watch this, it's like, oh no,
Speaker 4: some of the people who saw this were like, haha, yes,
Speaker 4: we should give children jobs.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I have a whole chalan did the research
Speaker 3: feel that I'm gonna go into I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 3: the DRC. It's bear with me for that, but.
Speaker 1: No, it's I mean, but that's like covertly what this
Speaker 1: movie is trying to get you to think about too.
Speaker 1: It's really I I this is gonna come up an
Speaker 1: annoying amount of times because I watched Network for the
Speaker 1: first time over the weekend. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: it was like my it was just my time. I
Speaker 1: just felt like it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're mad as hell and you're not gonna
Speaker 3: take it anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm probably gonna choose it for the matrim
Speaker 1: for my read because what a movie. It's so good.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's like starting a weirdly similar
Speaker 1: discussion to what you're just saying Kenese of like everyone
Speaker 1: behind closed doors is like, well, yeah, obviously this is horrible,
Speaker 1: but should we do it? And like it is weirdly
Speaker 1: like gratifying to see that behind closed doors, no matter
Speaker 1: how gaslight you are as a normal person, they know
Speaker 1: it's bad. They just are trying to decide if it's
Speaker 1: advantageous to care or not.
Speaker 3: Right, So, anyway, this is their plan. They need an
Speaker 3: assassin to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and the
Speaker 3: ideal candidate to do this would be a shallow, empty
Speaker 3: headed dim wit. Cut to Derek Zoolander played by Ben Stiller,
Speaker 3: a shallow, empty headed, dim witted male model who is
Speaker 3: being interviewed by an investigatory journalist Matilda Jeffries played by
Speaker 3: Christine Taylor, a Ben Stiller's real life his wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah and didn't know, didn't know?
Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah, yeah, they've been married for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Derek tells her that he is known for his signature look,
Speaker 3: Blue Steel, though he's working on another look called Magnum,
Speaker 3: though it's not yet perfected. It's not ready yet. Then
Speaker 3: it's the night of the VH one Fashion Awards. Derek
Speaker 3: Zulander is expecting to win Male Model of the Year
Speaker 3: for the fourth year in a row. Also, there is
Speaker 3: Derek's rival, an up and coming male model named Hansel
Speaker 3: played by Owen Wilson, who is so hot right now.
Speaker 4: I say that all the time that so and so
Speaker 4: is so hot right now, and I didn't think about
Speaker 4: it again until I watched this. I'm sorry, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Really I feel like, wait, what is the the Bill
Speaker 1: Hayter character Steffan. It's like Stefan exists to me in
Speaker 1: the Zuelander Expanded universe, But that's Zuelander.
Speaker 3: We would not have Steffan think so yeah, acur it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, the Male Model of the Year award goes to Hansel,
Speaker 3: who is so hot right now. But Derek just assumes
Speaker 3: that he won, so he goes on stage to accept
Speaker 3: the award. He makes a fool of himself, and Mugatu realizes, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's the guy we need to carry out this assassination.
Speaker 3: So Mugatu approaches Derek's manager, agent Maury Balstein played by
Speaker 3: Jerry Stiller aka Ben Stiller's real life his father. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Derek is on stage. He's humiliated. He's starting to think
Speaker 3: that maybe there's more to life than being really really
Speaker 3: ridiculously good looking.
Speaker 1: I love when a him vo. It's just so charming.
Speaker 1: When a Himvo's like, is there much more than this
Speaker 1: provincial life? And you're like, King, yes, yes there is,
Speaker 1: follow me yes.
Speaker 3: But his three male model roommates Rufus, Brent and Meekus.
Speaker 1: Every character name in this movie is per so good.
Speaker 3: They aren't really listening. They're more focused on going out
Speaker 3: for orange mocha frappuccinos. But then the three roommates die
Speaker 3: in a gas station accident slash explosion.
Speaker 4: Greek gasoline fight accident.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like for this day. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just it's satire. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: these guys, I wonder I'd actually be really curious, like
Speaker 1: what models think of this movie. I feel like my
Speaker 1: my feeling is they probably embraced it, but I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well you do you know.
Speaker 4: You would know models? Kyler.
Speaker 3: I Okay, this is the most la thing I've ever
Speaker 3: done or said. But my trainer is a model slash actor,
Speaker 3: slash trainer, and I told him we were covering this
Speaker 3: movie and he's like, I love the movie, Zulander.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, okay, good, this makes you feel better about it?
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I just tried to put myself in
Speaker 1: the mindspace of like, if someone made a movie presenting
Speaker 1: stand up comics as brand dead, I would have no
Speaker 1: issue with it, because like there's some truth to that,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I prefer them do that than what they do, which
Speaker 4: is like, hey, I get up there and I was
Speaker 4: drunk and I tried to stand up once and I'm
Speaker 4: the best in the world, and then write five seasons
Speaker 4: of a TV show about it. Whatever. But I just
Speaker 4: I think the depictions are not funny.
Speaker 1: So yes, this parity better.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh and I wanted to say, I know I've
Speaker 4: mentioned this before, but okay, so they're going at the
Speaker 4: car wash.
Speaker 1: You do not like this scene.
Speaker 4: It bothers me so much. They're using the like the
Speaker 4: wiper stuff, like the hey wipe off your windshield and
Speaker 4: they start flinging that at each other's bodies. Gross with
Speaker 4: their mouths open you And then how cheap is gas
Speaker 4: that They're like, we're gonna fill out this car. We're
Speaker 4: also gonna spray gasoline all over the place.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one it was like nine eleven dollar fifty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, sorry, it just and your mouth
Speaker 4: is open old.
Speaker 1: Time, like the taste what I'm getting? What I guess
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself in two thousand and one brain.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, even though like the whole like
Speaker 1: gender swapping stuff is pretty dated a concept at this point,
Speaker 1: I feel like it had to have been like pretty
Speaker 1: subversive at the time to present hot men as vapid
Speaker 1: in a way that we usually see hot women presented. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, true, but I was watching Shrek in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: Never forget Okay. So there's this gas station explosion and
Speaker 3: at the funeral, while Derek is giving his you googly,
Speaker 3: Derek announces that he's retiring from male modeling. He wants
Speaker 3: to do more meaningful work than it helps people, maybe
Speaker 3: even open up the Derek Zulander Center for kids who
Speaker 3: can't read good. His agent Morey tells him he can't
Speaker 3: retire because Mugatu, who has never hired Derek before, finally
Speaker 3: wants him for his new campaign, but Derek refuses and
Speaker 3: goes back home to coal mining country, New Jersey, where
Speaker 3: his family lives. His dad played by John Voyd, and
Speaker 3: two brothers played by Vince Vaughan and Judah Friedlander, who
Speaker 3: I don't think to say any lines of dialogue really.
Speaker 1: I think Vince Vaughn maybe speaks once. Yeah, Judah Friedlander
Speaker 1: is a glorified extra.
Speaker 4: I did not know that was Judah Friedlander.
Speaker 3: That's Judah.
Speaker 4: That's what he looks like. And the hair out the sides, that's.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I like that they all have the same resting face.
Speaker 1: So much of this movie is so funny to me.
Speaker 1: I just so good.
Speaker 3: Anyway. They're ashamed of Derek and his job because he's
Speaker 3: not living up to their rigid gender expectations of being
Speaker 3: hyper masculine, so eventually Derek returns to the city to
Speaker 3: accept Mugatu's offer, which includes a miniature prototype of the
Speaker 3: Derek Zulander Center for Kids who can't read good. And
Speaker 3: this is when Derek says, what is this a center
Speaker 3: for ants? It'll have to be at least three times
Speaker 3: bigger than this. It's funny, it's funny. I can't help it.
Speaker 3: It's funny, so funny. Meanwhile, Matilda Jeffreyes, the journalist, is
Speaker 3: trying to talk to Mugatu about his exploitation of child
Speaker 3: labor in Malaysia, but she can't get access to Mugatu.
Speaker 3: Then she receives an anonymous phone call from a mysterious
Speaker 3: person telling her to keep digging and to go to
Speaker 3: Peer twelve.
Speaker 1: And you're like, surely this isn't David Dick.
Speaker 3: Surely not. Then Mugatu shows Derek his designs for the
Speaker 3: fashion week show, a campaign called dere Leaked, which we'll
Speaker 3: talk about. There's interesting satire going on here. Mugatu and
Speaker 3: his minion, Katinka played by Mila Jovovich, start getting Derek
Speaker 3: ready for the show.
Speaker 1: Mila Jeviovich is giving very Parker posey and Josie the
Speaker 1: Pussycat's going off of your comparison I would say so.
Speaker 4: I think she's so funny in this, and she got
Speaker 4: trapped in this weird vampire killie business for like twenty years.
Speaker 4: I think maybe she's still trapped there. Then I don't
Speaker 4: think they let her out of the resident evil box. Oh,
Speaker 4: it's clear that she's like very funny here.
Speaker 1: Well, and she has like I feel like, I think
Speaker 1: like earlier in her career she was doing like really
Speaker 1: weird a collect I mean, like she's great in the
Speaker 1: Fifth Element, even though that movie does not give her
Speaker 1: much to do, but she's like good at being weird
Speaker 1: and silly and yeah, free her, free her.
Speaker 3: Yes. So anyway, Katinka takes Derek to a quote unquote
Speaker 3: day spa, which is actually just a brainwashing facility, and
Speaker 3: they start brainwashing Derek to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia.
Speaker 3: When the song Relax comes on, that's the trigger that
Speaker 3: will get him to like go into a homicidal rage. Basically,
Speaker 3: Matilda shows up to Peer twelve, which turns out to
Speaker 3: be the location of this quote unquote spa, but Katinka
Speaker 3: immediately throws Matilda out in comments on her outfit, saying
Speaker 3: it's from kmart.
Speaker 1: Very two thousand and one. Insults.
Speaker 4: We even had cats anymore?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, do kids even know what kmarts are
Speaker 1: these days?
Speaker 3: I think there might be one left.
Speaker 1: There's like a huskover kmart in my hometown. It's very sad.
Speaker 1: It's just like gets just a big, scary, haunted liminal space.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, we cut to Derek waking up in his bed
Speaker 3: and he thinks this whole thing was a dream. But
Speaker 3: Matilda shows up at his door and she tells him
Speaker 3: that he's been missing for a week and that the
Speaker 3: dere leaked show is tomorrow night. Then she discovers that
Speaker 3: several male models who have worked with Mugatu in the
Speaker 3: past have died in freak accidents, and that Mugatu's minion, Katinka,
Speaker 3: is in all of the photographs of the crime scenes.
Speaker 3: So she realizes that Derek is in danger and she
Speaker 3: heads to the pre show party that Derek is at
Speaker 3: to warn him. At the party where Billy Zane is,
Speaker 3: he's there. He's playing himself. He's friends with Derek Zulander.
Speaker 1: He's an ally to Derek.
Speaker 3: He really is. Yes, Hansel shows up and he and
Speaker 3: Derek are still beefing, so they decide to settle this
Speaker 3: on the runway with a walk off with a David
Speaker 3: Bowie cameo. He's like the referee. Sure. Derek is humiliated
Speaker 3: by Hansel once again when Hansel wins the walk off
Speaker 3: by taking his underwear off without removing his pants, and
Speaker 3: we're like exactly. Then Matilda approaches Derek to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's a male modeling conspiracy and you're in danger. Then
Speaker 3: they head to a cemetery after Matilda receives another call
Speaker 3: from that mystery person, who turns out to be former
Speaker 3: hand model JP Pruett played by David d'ucuffney.
Speaker 1: Just like poetry, poetry is so great.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. He tells them that the fashion industry has
Speaker 3: been behind every major political assassination for the past two
Speaker 3: hundred years, and behind every hit was a male model
Speaker 3: who is then killed to cover everything up. And JP
Speaker 3: Pruett tells them that they can find evidence for all
Speaker 3: of this on Maury Balstein's computer because he's in on
Speaker 3: it too. Suddenly they are attacked by Mugatu's minions, so
Speaker 3: Derek and Matilda escape and they need to find somewhere
Speaker 3: safe for Derek to hide, and they realize the last
Speaker 3: place that anyone would look for him would be Hansel's house.
Speaker 3: So they show up at Hansel's. Derek and Hansel air
Speaker 3: their grievances and admit that they're actually intimidated by each
Speaker 3: other and now they're friends, and Hansel welcomes them to
Speaker 3: his home. Then there's a scene where Matilda confides in
Speaker 3: them about why she doesn't like models. We'll talk about
Speaker 3: this later because there's a lot to unpack here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but this culminates in Derek, Hansel, Matilda plus some other
Speaker 3: people having group sex. I think they're all drinking ayahuasca
Speaker 3: or something and they're just getting freaky and horny with
Speaker 3: the each other, and Derek and Matilda in particular are
Speaker 3: really vibing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hans's kind of along for the ride, right.
Speaker 3: He's watching Slash also participating.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The next day is the big dere leaked show when
Speaker 3: Derek is going to be forced to assassinate the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister of Malaysia, so they have to figure out how
Speaker 3: they're going to stop this from happening. Hansel and Derek
Speaker 3: disguise themselves as people of different races.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, there's my like, my heart wilted at
Speaker 1: the sight of this because the movie was doing so
Speaker 1: well generally, and then this happens, and you're like, you've
Speaker 1: got to be fucking kidding me.
Speaker 4: One of those guys, the black guy is a comedian,
Speaker 4: Godfrey still around Godfrey. Yeah, Bill looks very much the
Speaker 4: same man. He has not aged. He looks great, especially yeah,
Speaker 4: twenty five years later. But Dan, it's hard to see
Speaker 4: him there, and you're like, ah, it's not fair to him. No,
Speaker 4: I don't love this implication. I don't love it, I know.
Speaker 3: And then you remember, you know Tropic Thunder, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, ben Stiller is.
Speaker 1: Kind of Ben Stiller's thing.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: Weird, weirdo, very weird.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, they are now in disguises as people of
Speaker 3: different races, at the very least they cast different actors. Yes,
Speaker 3: but then later you see ben Stiller and Owen Wilson
Speaker 3: partially in exact black and brown face, and then so, yes,
Speaker 3: it is horrible, doesn't Yeah, it doesn't work very bad anyway.
Speaker 3: They are able to get inside Maury's office, but they
Speaker 3: don't know how to use computers. There's this whole two
Speaker 3: thousand and one A Space Odyssey reference where they're like
Speaker 3: kind of banging on one of those huge desktops, yeah,
Speaker 3: from two thousand and one. And before they figure out
Speaker 3: how to access the evidence, Derek has to leave to
Speaker 3: get to his show. Meanwhile, Matilda figures out that the
Speaker 3: trigger is the song relax after learning that Mugatu used
Speaker 3: to be in was it the band Frankie goes to
Speaker 3: Hollywood that's who wrote relaxed. So anyway, they booted him out.
Speaker 1: It was like slightly too dated for me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this was funny in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: but hard to say right.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he was in a band, but he got booted
Speaker 3: out before they recorded their hit song Relax, and so
Speaker 3: he's very bitter toward them. He also invented the piano
Speaker 3: key necktie and that's what launched his fashion career. Now
Speaker 3: that's funny and that's comedy. Yes, anyway, so Matilda figures
Speaker 3: out that that's like the trigger song. Then the Dare
Speaker 3: Leaked show starts. The Prime Minister of Malaysia is there
Speaker 3: as Mugatu's special guest Derek comes on stage. The DJ
Speaker 3: starts playing the song Relax the.
Speaker 1: Row and unrecognizable justin the row.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had no idea until looking at Wikipedia earlier today.
Speaker 3: So the song starts playing. Derek is about to attack
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, but then Hansel swoops in. There's a
Speaker 3: whole fight scene where Hansel battles DJ justin throu They
Speaker 3: keep switching the music back and forth, and then eventually
Speaker 3: they expose Mugatu and the whole conspiracy to brainwash Derek
Speaker 3: into assassinating the Malaysian Prime Minister. Maury Balstein confirms this
Speaker 3: is all true, and Mugatu is like, fine, if you're
Speaker 3: not gonna kill the Prime Minister, I'll do it myself,
Speaker 3: and he's about to kill him, but then Derek saves
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister with his new look Magnum, which blows
Speaker 3: everyone away, and everyone's so proud of him, even Derek's
Speaker 3: father back in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, what are movies
Speaker 1: about fathers?
Speaker 3: And yes, okay. So then we cut to a little later.
Speaker 3: The Derek Zulander Center for kids who can't read good
Speaker 3: and want to learn to do other stuff good too,
Speaker 3: has opened. His friends are teachers there. Derek and Matilda
Speaker 3: have gotten together and they have a kid, Derek Junior,
Speaker 3: who is an aspiring male model because he does a
Speaker 3: little look. And that's pretty much the end of the movie.
Speaker 3: So let's take another quick break and we'll come back
Speaker 3: to discuss, and.
Speaker 1: We're back.
Speaker 3: Where to begin?
Speaker 1: Where to begin?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I guess we could start with the few women in
Speaker 1: this movie where I don't know, I mean, what if
Speaker 1: we think? I thought the Milijevovich character was really fun,
Speaker 1: probably a little underused, like could have had because it's
Speaker 1: just fresh because she's giving such a fun performance, But
Speaker 1: the movie really only has interested in her at like
Speaker 1: plot useful times, versus like building out much for her
Speaker 1: to do, like we don't really know anything about her
Speaker 1: like outside of that. And then unfortunately Christine Taylor, it's
Speaker 1: not her fault, but I just like, I feel like
Speaker 1: this exact character exists in a lot of movies around
Speaker 1: this era. Unfortunately, I am thinking of The Master of
Speaker 1: Disguise where you're like, uh huh listen, which for some
Speaker 1: reason is a movie I have seen many times. In
Speaker 1: spite of not saying Zulander doesn't make sense, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to like boil down. It's like just
Speaker 1: she's too normal and everyone else is a cartoon character
Speaker 1: in this movie except her and she like and I
Speaker 1: think that that's the joke, But I also don't think
Speaker 1: it's fair to the actor, and it's not a particularly
Speaker 1: memorable character, and I don't like it.
Speaker 4: There are so many movies of this time, and I thought,
Speaker 4: this is what you're gonna say, where a woman there
Speaker 4: is a journalist to cover the thing the man is doing,
Speaker 4: and of course she will end up sleeping with one
Speaker 4: of the people in the movie. Like that happened over
Speaker 4: and over again, even up until like train Wreck or
Speaker 4: about Tag called Tag.
Speaker 1: Where it was where Jerremy Renner broke his arms.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty shirt as a Renner historian, I'm pretty I
Speaker 1: like him. I hate he sucks. I hate him like
Speaker 1: he sucks.
Speaker 4: And it was only confirmed like he did some things
Speaker 4: that were annoying or something. But I was like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm only celebrating this because deep down I didn't like
Speaker 4: that guy. But yes, Tag where Jeremy Renner broke is up.
Speaker 4: But in that they write a woman just to be
Speaker 4: a journalist air quotes, to follow these guys around and
Speaker 4: then eventually sleep with one of them.
Speaker 1: And you're totally right. I think that that happens a
Speaker 1: lot across rom coms as well, where like it's a
Speaker 1: comedies and realm comms often it's like, okay, well, feminism happens,
Speaker 1: So we can't just like have a woman not have
Speaker 1: a job, But how can we create a character that
Speaker 1: is just disproportionately interested in what this guy is up to?
Speaker 1: I think that that's yeah, that's I don't think we've
Speaker 1: ever like really honed in on that on this show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's totally true.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And to your point, Jamie, it means that
Speaker 3: she's and I get it, like in a comedy movie
Speaker 3: there's often like the straight straight man to emphasize the
Speaker 3: comedic hijinks.
Speaker 1: But if you only have two women in the movie.
Speaker 3: Like right, where it's like, okay, and there are moments
Speaker 3: where she's like reacting to something absurd where like she
Speaker 3: kind of gets the laugh or like her reaction is
Speaker 3: like oh ha ha, I agree with her because they
Speaker 3: did something ridiculous. But even so, like it means that
Speaker 3: she isn't given the opportunity to show like comedic chops
Speaker 3: quite the same way as all of the other characters
Speaker 3: who are predominantly men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe like an obvious observation. But like, in
Speaker 1: this movie that's written by three men that I do
Speaker 1: think has some stuff to say about masculinity. But I
Speaker 1: was not shocked that there's only two women characters. One
Speaker 1: is an underutilized comedic character and the other is a pretty,
Speaker 1: I think dully written love interest.
Speaker 4: For sure, there's a there's another. It's not a character,
Speaker 4: and it's not a cameo because it's not a famous person.
Speaker 4: They made someone look the worst they've ever looked, and
Speaker 4: they played the messuse and I just that stuck out
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's Sandy Dick.
Speaker 1: A Sandy Dick.
Speaker 4: That's Andy Dick. Yeahah, he's I was like, wait, they
Speaker 4: have three women on screen at the same time. That's wild.
Speaker 1: No, that's Andy Dick.
Speaker 4: No, they don't they never mind, never mind, I take
Speaker 4: it back.
Speaker 1: I will take every opportunity to just declare Andy Dick
Speaker 1: one of the world's worst people. I hate that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And it's personal, okay, but it is a very tired
Speaker 1: joke where it's either regardless of the gender of the actor,
Speaker 1: sometimes it is a man, sometimes it's a woman, but
Speaker 1: it's someone in so much makeup and prosthetics, and it's
Speaker 1: the character is almost always a woman, where it's like, look,
Speaker 1: how hideous this old hag is, and isn't that comedy
Speaker 1: yet the drag being used, where drag is the punchline
Speaker 1: as a post like yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, not great when it comes to the characters
Speaker 3: who are women.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't really have much to say about those
Speaker 1: characters outside of that because we're not really given that much.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of times when Zulander talks to the
Speaker 4: investigatory journalist, which I thought investigatory was a word for
Speaker 4: a long time, and it's not right.
Speaker 3: It is an investigative journalist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, investigative journalist. But I just say it really quickly
Speaker 4: because I'm always like, shit, I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: But if someone said that to me, I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a word.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah yeah. But when Balls talks to her when
Speaker 4: she's asking questions, he's like, ah, you'd look pretty good
Speaker 4: if you had a push up raw And we're supposed
Speaker 4: to like this guy. I was like, this guy who
Speaker 4: smacks his secretary's button is like talking about his penis
Speaker 4: all the time. I was like, I hate this person, right,
Speaker 4: but so she's like okay, and she doesn't say anything then,
Speaker 4: and then when she's trying to tell him you've been
Speaker 4: missing for a week, he's like, hey, you have patterned
Speaker 4: dryness around your scalp because you're pulling your hair too tight,
Speaker 4: may I? And then he pulls her hair out of
Speaker 4: a ponytail and stuff, and he's like, wow, you look better,
Speaker 4: and she's like smiling, like oh thanks, like do this better?
Speaker 4: Don't die? And I'm like, why would she stand for
Speaker 4: any of this? Why?
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's there's the scene where she tells
Speaker 3: them her backstory, so okay. Earlier in the movie, when
Speaker 3: Derek is talking to his male model friends about wanting
Speaker 3: to help people, and they're like, models do help people.
Speaker 3: We make people feel good about themselves and teach them
Speaker 3: how to wear their hair in interesting ways. The irony
Speaker 3: being that the entire beauty industry is predicated on making
Speaker 3: people feel bad about themselves so that they can capitalize
Speaker 3: on people's insecurities and sell them shit and all of that.
Speaker 3: That might be an oversimplification, but it's largely that either way.
Speaker 3: We find out the reason that Matilda does not like
Speaker 3: models when she shares her backstory because she describes that
Speaker 3: when she was a kid, she was bullied for being fat,
Speaker 3: and she felt all this pressure to live up to
Speaker 3: these impossible Western beauty standards that were perpetuated by the
Speaker 3: models she saw in magazines, and from that she'd developed
Speaker 3: and eating disorder. And she shares this with these two
Speaker 3: guys who like completely trivialize her experience. She is clearly
Speaker 3: frustrated that they're not taking her seriously, But then the
Speaker 3: scene quickly moves on to her sex life.
Speaker 1: Which is like, so, I mean again, clearly a story
Speaker 1: written by three men, because it's like again, because it's like,
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting conversation, but the movie just
Speaker 1: tells you they're like, but we don't this interesting thing
Speaker 1: we said. We actually don't care that we said it.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, then why did you say it?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 1: Why did you say it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: At the very least, Derek does apologize to her a
Speaker 3: few scenes later. It is while he's in blackface, so
Speaker 3: it's just like, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also noted that. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that, it does not count.
Speaker 3: It does not count. Right, There's a conversation to be
Speaker 3: had about this, and the movie almost starts to have
Speaker 3: that conversation, but and is like never mind.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because it's like, again, that would totally
Speaker 1: fit into other points the movie is trying to make about,
Speaker 1: like what is the point of the beauty industry? Like
Speaker 1: is there any positive to it? Where is the source
Speaker 1: of like evil and dysfunction within it? Continuing on that
Speaker 1: line of thought would be like very well placed. But
Speaker 1: again they're just like nah, right, well, so some.
Speaker 3: Of the characters who are doing and saying problematic things
Speaker 3: in the movie, is a part of the satire that's
Speaker 3: criticizing the fashion industry and like showing how toxic of
Speaker 3: an environment this could be. I think the whole dere
Speaker 3: Leaked campaign is like, look at how the fashion industry
Speaker 3: we got.
Speaker 1: To in general? Yes, everything he does?
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything about how like you know, using homelessness as
Speaker 3: an aesthetic for a fashion show, Right, that's satire higher.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's handled perfectly, but at least that's clear.
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not endorsing that obviously, ye.
Speaker 3: Right, where we're right. There are other moments where a
Speaker 3: character makes fat shaming remarks, such as when Mugatu tells
Speaker 3: a model to lose weight immediately that are satirical representations
Speaker 3: of the unrealistic beauty and body standards within modeling and
Speaker 3: within the fashion industry. Again not handled the most effectively
Speaker 3: in this movie.
Speaker 4: But also, yeah, is there anyone in this movie that
Speaker 4: isn't traditionally attractive? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean that was something that I I not that
Speaker 1: I noticed and all, like again just going back to
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like part of why
Speaker 1: the Christine Taylor character, it's like, well, but she's not
Speaker 1: fat anymore, and that is I feel like something we see, like,
Speaker 1: especially during this era of movies, when fatness is even
Speaker 1: referenced in a story, it's in the past tense, as
Speaker 1: if if it were in the present tense, they would
Speaker 1: not be in the movie, which in this movie appears
Speaker 1: to be true. I don't know, like it's just and
Speaker 1: like going back to that talking point again, like from
Speaker 1: that character Matilda, I'm just gonna keep calling her Christie Taylor.
Speaker 1: But that is like such a clear opportunity for satire.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they just gave it up. I
Speaker 1: at least, I guess for not for nothing, Like I'm
Speaker 1: glad that at least the body shaving aspects were explicitly
Speaker 1: referenced by a character, but yeah, it just doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you have examples of again characters saying
Speaker 3: problematic things as part of the satire. But then you
Speaker 3: also just have like it was two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: and this is what we thought was comedy back then,
Speaker 3: because you have things like there are a few instances
Speaker 3: of ableists language and slurs being thrown around. There are
Speaker 3: transphoe remarks which apparently get worse as the series goes on,
Speaker 3: which horrifying. Again, Yeah, I can't speak to it, but
Speaker 3: there's you know, sexual assault in the workplace being played
Speaker 3: as a joke. You mentioned that canis there are examples
Speaker 3: of little people or people of color where them simply
Speaker 3: being on screen is the punchline of a joke, like
Speaker 3: when they show up in the group sex scene. There
Speaker 3: is the black and brown face that we discussed.
Speaker 1: Which Ben Stiller will be a big proponent of well
Speaker 1: into this decade. Yes, Traffic Thunder was what like two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven or something.
Speaker 3: Something around then. Yeah, yes, so there are jokes that
Speaker 3: age horribly and are not there as any part of
Speaker 3: like satirical social commentary. It's just it was two thousand
Speaker 3: and one. But then there's other moments where the movie
Speaker 3: is like commenting on expectations of masculinity, like when Derek
Speaker 3: returns to coal mining New Jersey and his brothers and
Speaker 3: especially his dad are ashamed of Derek and his job because,
Speaker 3: you know, being a male model doesn't live up to
Speaker 3: their rigid expectations of masculinity, and they want him to
Speaker 3: work on quote unquote manly job like working in a
Speaker 3: coal mine, and.
Speaker 1: It's like in the goofiest way possible, which is great,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know all the family jokes like John
Speaker 1: Voight is being John Voight is the worst part of it.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, like basically no notes at the
Speaker 1: end where there's like that very offhand resolution where he's
Speaker 1: like watching like they in the New Jersey coal mine bars,
Speaker 1: they would watch so great, that's my son.
Speaker 4: Where are they watching this? I love it?
Speaker 1: I love it. They're like, well, yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the big a fashion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like on all of the TVs. It's over
Speaker 4: the sports. Forget sports. It's the got to Daryl Leek's campaign.
Speaker 3: Love it, love its comedy.
Speaker 4: You don't even do that for the Victoria's Secret Show.
Speaker 1: You Okay, yeah, you have to feel like an Amazon
Speaker 1: Prime subscriber or some shit. Now, Like no wo.
Speaker 3: I love the part where Derek's like, oh I ever
Speaker 3: wanted was to make you proud pop and John Voyd
Speaker 3: is like, with what your male modeling? Prancing around with
Speaker 3: your wiener hanging out? I think the lord that your
Speaker 3: mother never lived to see her son as a mermaid,
Speaker 3: and then Derek goes merman, yes, man, that is comedy anyway,
Speaker 3: again not handled super thoughtfully in the movie. It is
Speaker 3: the beginning of a conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like that. What I felt like is like, well,
Speaker 1: I think that that's the best this movie could do
Speaker 1: on that subject. While like maintaining the tone of the movie,
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad about it fair.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I was like pleasantly surprised by
Speaker 3: upon this rewatch was the scene where Derek and Hansel
Speaker 3: talk through why they've been beefing, and they admit to
Speaker 3: feeling threatened by each other because Derek's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: getting older and my career is winding down and you're
Speaker 3: young and your career is just getting started, and Hansel's like, well,
Speaker 3: they're like.
Speaker 1: The same age.
Speaker 4: I think they're like years apart.
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, it's very funny. But yeah, Hansel is like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm intimidated by you because you're such a legend and
Speaker 3: it's difficult to live in your shadow. And they hug
Speaker 3: it out and they become friends. But it's just like
Speaker 3: so rare to see in a movie adult men talk
Speaker 3: through their issues and talk about their feelings, especially like
Speaker 3: feelings of vulnerability, and they're admitting to being intimidated by
Speaker 3: each other by another man. Like I was just like, wow,
Speaker 3: you don't see this, especially in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: I really yeah, I'm so I wish I could. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't wish I could talk to a man in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. But I'm curious how that was
Speaker 1: read at the time because I also really liked that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they're The movie is like, oh, they're you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are unmasculine by traditional standards, and they're the
Speaker 1: only men in the room who can have an open
Speaker 1: discussion about their feelings and openly connect with each other.
Speaker 1: I'm curious how that was read at the time. I wonder, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my two thousand and one question. It's like,
Speaker 1: was that a joke at the time that it's like
Speaker 1: only unmasculine men could possibly have this conversation. I don't
Speaker 1: think that the movie is like criticizing them, because we
Speaker 1: love these characters. They're the best. But I'm I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either, sound off in
Speaker 1: the chat everybody nice.
Speaker 4: I do want to use this almost like as a
Speaker 4: role player exercise for like friend dude, dude friend therapy,
Speaker 4: where it's like, Okay, so what we're gonna do is
Speaker 4: you're gonna be do Lander, You're gonna be a Hansel,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna start with the lines that are in
Speaker 4: the movie, and then slowly you're gonna improvise and incorporate
Speaker 4: your own shit, and then it just did did did
Speaker 4: did did it? Boom, We've healed male friendship. I think
Speaker 4: it's possible.
Speaker 1: We can get there. We can get there, We can
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 4: It takes a lot of Yes, probably gonna be a
Speaker 4: bunch of improv dudes at first, and that's fine, but yeah,
Speaker 4: like that's where it's gotta start. Then that's where it's
Speaker 4: gotta start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, corneus meant to the front. Sorry to improvise us there,
Speaker 1: but it's true. Yeah, I mean I love that their
Speaker 1: friendship resolves. I wasn't sure which way it was going
Speaker 1: to go, and it just makes sense. And then okay,
Speaker 1: I have another two thousand and one can we put
Speaker 1: ourselves back there moment, which is that I mean, this
Speaker 1: movie is mysteriously absent of queer people in an industry
Speaker 1: where there are many queer people working in high places,
Speaker 1: which feels very two thousand and one, So that is
Speaker 1: I think bizarre. But also I did like that for Derek,
Speaker 1: like he is ostensibly straight as far as we know,
Speaker 1: and that his vulnerability didn't threaten that in any way,
Speaker 1: which I do think is a good thing. So I'm
Speaker 1: having two things be true there. It feels weird to
Speaker 1: completely erase queer people from the fashion industry, and also
Speaker 1: I did like the portrayal of a straight guy that
Speaker 1: could have male friends and be emotionally vulnerable without that
Speaker 1: threatening his straightness.
Speaker 3: For sure. This is also an era where queer people
Speaker 3: were basically absent from cinema in general.
Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly thought that there would be heavier
Speaker 1: coating in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, I mean, I wonder
Speaker 3: if Mugatu is supposed to be queer coded. His assistant
Speaker 3: is his assistant Todd for sure, yes, played by Nathan
Speaker 3: Lee Graham.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I've seen him be a gay character and
Speaker 4: a lot of things. I think maybe i've now that
Speaker 4: i'm thinking about it, I'm like, I've probably just projected
Speaker 4: him into things.
Speaker 3: Oh no, m yeah, I don't know much about Nathan
Speaker 3: Lee Graham's personal life, but the character that he's playing
Speaker 3: Todd certainly queer coded, Mugatu maybe arguably also queer coded.
Speaker 3: Hard to I would say, what were exactly right?
Speaker 1: And like Will Ferrell is so weird that it's like
Speaker 1: you just really never know what he's going for. And
Speaker 1: I mean that as a compliment because I think that
Speaker 1: like a lazier, less creative comic actor would have just
Speaker 1: leaned heavy on queer coding. But like Will Ferrell is,
Speaker 1: he's just doing a lot, Like I don't who knows,
Speaker 1: who knows what Mugatu's interior life is.
Speaker 4: He's just menacing, not menacing.
Speaker 3: We just missing right, not really sure what's going on.
Speaker 3: You just kind of have to remind yourself. It was
Speaker 3: two thousand and one and representation was just not good.
Speaker 3: I said, Wow, brilliantly.
Speaker 1: Bravely, bravely I've never been said on this show before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing I wanted to talk about is so okay.
Speaker 3: This is a movie about a small group of rich
Speaker 3: and powerful industry leaders who conspire to assassinate the leader
Speaker 3: of a country so they can continue to exploit child
Speaker 3: labor in the Global South so as to maximize profits.
Speaker 1: It's giving all a guarchy. It's giving all a garchy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sure is pretty interesting for a very silly
Speaker 3: comedy movie to be about this, to call attention to this,
Speaker 3: because this is a very real thing that continues to
Speaker 3: happen around the world.
Speaker 1: Caitlin's context corner.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 3: So there's obviously many examples of this happening in the
Speaker 3: world currently. I would like to take this moment to
Speaker 3: discuss what's currently happening in the DRC aka the Democratic
Speaker 3: Republic of the Congo, just in case listeners are not
Speaker 3: aware of this. So this movie is obviously about the
Speaker 3: garment and fashion industry. What I'm about to talk about
Speaker 3: relates to the tech industry. But the DRC is a
Speaker 3: country that's very rich in valuable resources that are used
Speaker 3: to manufacture a lot of tech, which means that companies
Speaker 3: like Google, Apple, Tesla, Intel, Microsoft, Dell.
Speaker 1: Basically everyone who is at the presidential inauguration exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are stealing these resources things like tin, tungsten, cobalt,
Speaker 3: col tan, just to name a few, and Congolese people
Speaker 3: have more or less been enslaved who mine these resources.
Speaker 3: The working conditions are incredibly inhumane and unsafe. The workers
Speaker 3: are paid almost nothing, less than two US dollars a day,
Speaker 3: and a lot of that labor that's being exploited is
Speaker 3: child labor, which goes back to the movie Zoolander, but
Speaker 3: obviously any type of exploited underpaid labor is wrong anyway.
Speaker 3: This is an ongoing humanitarian crisis that's been happening since
Speaker 3: the nineties, though imperialist entities have been exploited in Congo
Speaker 3: for its resources for much longer than that. Millions of
Speaker 3: people in the DRC have been killed, Millions have been
Speaker 3: displaced from their homes, Millions are food insecure and living
Speaker 3: in extreme poverty. It has devastating effects not only on
Speaker 3: the people but also the land. The DRC recently filed
Speaker 3: a criminal lawsuit against Apple. Time will tell how that
Speaker 3: pans out, but Overall, this is one of the most
Speaker 3: significant human wor violations happening in the world currently, and
Speaker 3: not many people are talking about it. It does not
Speaker 3: get really any Western mainstream news coverage. So I just
Speaker 3: wanted to take this opportunity to help spread awareness about this.
Speaker 3: Listeners can help by boycotting the aforementioned companies. You can
Speaker 3: change the way you consume electronics. You can buy refurbished
Speaker 3: instead of constantly buying new shit all the time. You
Speaker 3: can donate to organizations that are providing aid to people
Speaker 3: in the DRC. You can research, do your own research,
Speaker 3: and spread your own awareness. There's lots more to learn.
Speaker 3: I've you know, what I've said just covers the basics,
Speaker 3: but you know, there's lots to know.
Speaker 1: And we can leave some links in the description as well,
Speaker 1: for like a jumping off, because I think like that's
Speaker 1: something that I feel also under informed on in general,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you don't know what you don't know,
Speaker 1: but once you write, you know, spread the information. I
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that research. Kitlin.
Speaker 3: I've been learning about this myself for the past of
Speaker 3: year or so and it's just like really horrifying, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it is not being talked about because it is not
Speaker 3: in the capitalist world's interest to talk about it or
Speaker 3: draw attention to it.
Speaker 1: So and who owns most of our newspapers? Now, like,
Speaker 1: there's that's the rent that I can go on for
Speaker 1: five thousand. I mean, I think this is unfortunately maybe
Speaker 1: a good point to mention that Ben Stiller is I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know exactly how to characterize, but he
Speaker 1: last year released what could generously be described as a
Speaker 1: very both sides, the statement about Palestine, and uh, the
Speaker 1: kind of both size, the statement that I feel indicates
Speaker 1: that he's probably a Zionist. You can look it up
Speaker 1: if you like. It did not sit well with me
Speaker 1: at all, and that is just something to be aware
Speaker 1: of as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything else anyone would like to talk
Speaker 3: about regarding the movie Zoolander?
Speaker 4: I'm so curious what someone like you're adjusting it. But
Speaker 4: you're you're you were so young to me. You will
Speaker 4: always be very young to me, Jamie, because you are
Speaker 4: younger than me, which means you are a child. But no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: You're you're a full of fledged adult. You have like
Speaker 4: a huge resume. You're very impressive.
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen, oh, Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but then you've done so much. What a
Speaker 4: young person today would think watching this, like they would
Speaker 4: they get any of the cameos because there's so many,
Speaker 4: Like every scene is filled with celebrities, Like why is
Speaker 4: Natalie Portman in this movie? Lenny Kraft this movie?
Speaker 3: Like Christian Slater. We got a Cuba Gooding junior beast,
Speaker 3: like Lenny Kraviat Fabio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got like two out of three.
Speaker 1: Every there were a few that I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I honestly, and this is like fucked up. But like
Speaker 1: I sometimes don't know who David Ducovney is. But I like,
Speaker 1: once someonees like, that's David Ducovney, I'm like, right, but
Speaker 1: I just never watched The X Files. I certainly didn't
Speaker 1: watch Californication, so he's just like not on my radar.
Speaker 3: Fair, I wonder. I mean, a young person watching this,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they would look at Gary Shandling and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's Gary.
Speaker 1: Get that right away.
Speaker 4: You would definitely be in the front row at fashion.
Speaker 3: Week Fashion Week, Gary Shaner, for sure. Fred Durst is
Speaker 3: Fred Durst? Is there?
Speaker 1: Fred Durst? That was fun?
Speaker 3: That was fun. I don't even think you can call
Speaker 3: it a cameo because it's well and ink spoiler for
Speaker 3: the movie Y two K. But he's like a full
Speaker 3: character in that movie.
Speaker 1: Also in I saw the TV Glow, Yes, Fred Durst
Speaker 1: is a full on.
Speaker 4: Actually a twenty four darling.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 1: You didn't see it. Wait, you did see Fred Durston.
Speaker 1: I saw the TV Glow all, I saw.
Speaker 3: The movie, but I don't remember him being in that
Speaker 3: the dad Yeah that's Red Durst.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Jane Schoenbrun is so diabolical with casting. I love their
Speaker 1: casting because it was like Connor, O'Malley and Fred Durst
Speaker 1: and I saw the TV Glow You're like, sure, yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: fred Durst does. I think a great job in that
Speaker 1: movie too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's at least unrecognizable as Fred Durst.
Speaker 3: If he's not wearing.
Speaker 4: He's not wearing a hat. That might be why you
Speaker 4: didn't see.
Speaker 3: If he's not wearing his like backwards just a little
Speaker 3: outred Yankees hat or whatever the fuck. I don't know
Speaker 3: who that is exactly.
Speaker 1: God, that is the year two thousand and one to
Speaker 1: me is like Nelly with the band aid and Fred
Speaker 1: Durst with the hat. Nelly also, I believe recently performed
Speaker 1: at a Trump event.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the yeah, he performed at the inauguration.
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, Lord, and for what?
Speaker 2: And for what?
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog as well?
Speaker 4: There is sup Dog. You're not getting enough money from
Speaker 4: all that Martha Stewart bullshit and all of your product endorsements,
Speaker 4: like bruh, you don't have unforced error, you don't have
Speaker 4: to do this.
Speaker 1: What could you possibly need at this point? I just
Speaker 1: don't understand.
Speaker 3: Okay, but hey, Tyson Beckford is also in the movie.
Speaker 3: So is that a hot man?
Speaker 4: He's one of the few male models that I can
Speaker 4: actually aim or he was oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was bigger back in the day. Who else?
Speaker 3: DJ Paris Hilton makes a cameo.
Speaker 1: She does our coworker DJ Paris. I actually don't even
Speaker 1: know if she still has a podcast. She was briefly
Speaker 1: our quote unquote callworker.
Speaker 3: Nice anyway, Yeah, sorry, I think we cut you off, Canise,
Speaker 3: because I just had to go on a tirade about
Speaker 3: all the cameos.
Speaker 4: I love the fact that it is such a timestamp
Speaker 4: exactly this time. But yeah, I have a four year
Speaker 4: old nephew. I love him so much. I wouldn't show
Speaker 4: him this movie yet. I mean he has watched like
Speaker 4: Captain America Civil War and that's on his parents, but
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't show him this yet. He also wouldn't
Speaker 4: get it and he'd be bored out of his mind.
Speaker 4: But when he's like twelve, I want to be like, now,
Speaker 4: tell me who any of these people are? Are like
Speaker 4: just you'll have.
Speaker 1: No I also love as you like get older, listening
Speaker 1: to like what my like younger cousin who's like I
Speaker 1: think she's nineteen now, where like she knows who will
Speaker 1: Ferrel is, but she her the thing she knows him
Speaker 1: from is completely different, where like she would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's well, I mean I guess she might know elf,
Speaker 1: but like she'd be like, oh from Barbie, oh Farrel
Speaker 1: from the movie Barbie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know this are yeah, this this is
Speaker 3: how time works.
Speaker 1: Time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would also would they because there's a lot in
Speaker 4: this movie that we're like, oh that's not so great,
Speaker 4: but we still think it's funny. But yeah, if you
Speaker 4: weren't around, then would you think this is funny?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I don't know I think
Speaker 1: that this central like criticism holds up well. I also
Speaker 1: think the character of Zoolander does generally hold up. I mean,
Speaker 1: the worst thing about this movie by a country mile
Speaker 1: is the black face and brown face sequence, especially because
Speaker 1: we know that Ben Stiller was weirdly obsessed with doing
Speaker 1: that in the two thousands, just makes it all the worse.
Speaker 1: But like I do like there's elements of this movie
Speaker 1: that I found surprisingly good and effective. Okay, and the
Speaker 1: jokes are like I feel like anyone should be able
Speaker 1: to laugh at the ant joke. That's a good joke.
Speaker 3: A center for ants, It's a good joke.
Speaker 4: It is a solid joke.
Speaker 3: There's a really funny joke when Derek and Matilda first
Speaker 3: show up to Hansel's place to be like, we need
Speaker 3: a safe spot to hang out because Derek is being
Speaker 3: brainwashed into killing the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and Hansel
Speaker 3: just goes like yeah, so like yeah, this is normal.
Speaker 3: And then when he's introducing everyone to them, when they're
Speaker 3: like going through the house and he's like, hey, everyone,
Speaker 3: this is Derek and Matilda. They're just hanging out here
Speaker 3: for a few days because Derek has been brainwashed and
Speaker 3: did it and everyone's just like, oh, yeah, hey, it's
Speaker 3: so normal to all these people. That is comedy. There's
Speaker 3: other grat I mean Derek's tiny little cell phone. Yes,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's comedy.
Speaker 1: The tiny little cell phone. You can't beat the time.
Speaker 1: I love a tiny little cell phone. For a while,
Speaker 1: my dear friend Jake would do that, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was his idea and I need to text him
Speaker 1: about it because he never told me it was from Zoolander. Wow,
Speaker 1: he used to do that bit all the time. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, top ten funniest things I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life, fully just from Zoolander.
Speaker 3: So many funny things that people do and say I
Speaker 3: think have been pulled from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 4: I believe it.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was mortified, but I was like, all right, I
Speaker 1: can I guess I can wait till I see him
Speaker 1: in person next time. But regardless, how dare you deceive?
Speaker 3: You should definitely my call him out, my.
Speaker 1: Young I mean, maybe he just thought I would know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was like, Jake's hilarious bit
Speaker 1: the tiny phone.
Speaker 3: Not so anyway, does anyone have anything else they'd like
Speaker 3: to discuss.
Speaker 4: Based on the conversation about the Congo. This is not
Speaker 4: the most mentally healthy response to that. But I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: so we need is like a Zoolander plus the death
Speaker 4: of Stalin.
Speaker 1: Oh I still haven't seen it, like plus like oh, what's.
Speaker 4: The the tech show that MILNJIOHANNYI put those three things
Speaker 4: together to like lambast the tech industry, although I say
Speaker 4: that knowing that no major studio would give that money,
Speaker 4: nor distributors or distribute it. So somebody definitely has to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 3: Someone else just has to do it independently.
Speaker 1: Figure it out.
Speaker 3: We can do it. We'll do it.
Speaker 4: Let's okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it done.
Speaker 3: The movie, I think does pass the Bechdel test when
Speaker 3: Matilda and Katinka talk about Matilda's outfit and it's from Kmart,
Speaker 3: and then finally at the end, Matilda's like, no, it's
Speaker 3: the something something line and I got it at j C.
Speaker 3: Penny on sale, and that passes the Bechdel test.
Speaker 4: So are there still j C Pennies?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, there's one in the Glendale Galleria.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I will occasionally get something
Speaker 1: a little overpriced and a little ugly at the Glendale
Speaker 1: Galleria j C. Penny.
Speaker 3: I bought a red dress that I wore for Halloween
Speaker 3: for the substance costume. Amazing, and I got that at
Speaker 3: JC Penny.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Shout out this. This podcast is not sponsored by jay
Speaker 1: Z Penny, but I guess we're saying that we're.
Speaker 4: Open to it.
Speaker 3: I guess so. Yeah. So it does pass the Bechdel test. However,
Speaker 3: on our nipple scale, I scale where we rate the
Speaker 3: movie zero to five nipples based on examining it through
Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens. Okay, I'm gonna give it two nipples,
Speaker 3: and here's why. Okay, you know, from an intersectional feminist
Speaker 3: point of view, it doesn't hold up particularly well, and
Speaker 3: there are many jokes that are very problematic and very cringey.
Speaker 3: But the overall story that calls attention to oligarchs exploiting
Speaker 3: labor in the global South timely and killing people over it,
Speaker 3: this was relevant then, it's relevant now. The fact that
Speaker 3: a comedy movie is about that is I think pretty cool.
Speaker 3: So normally I would give this movie something closer to
Speaker 3: like one nipple, but I'm gonna give it to because
Speaker 3: of the just premise, and I'm gonna give one nipple
Speaker 3: to Derek's tiny cell phone, and I'm gonna give the
Speaker 3: other nipple to Billy Zane's cameo.
Speaker 1: I think I will meet you there for basically the
Speaker 1: same reason that this movie was doing more than I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to. It makes a point that
Speaker 1: I don't think any movie does, certainly not a comedy
Speaker 1: about exploitation and labor. I do feel like the way
Speaker 1: that the president of Laisa, I forgot to says earlier
Speaker 1: is presented pretty cartoonish, Yes, for sure, and that felt pointed.
Speaker 1: There's not much in terms of intersectional feminism. The movie
Speaker 1: is extremely white and yet does manage to feature blackface,
Speaker 1: which I'm going down to one and a half. And
Speaker 1: I think with the Matilda character, were like hinting at
Speaker 1: something productive to say, but then ultimately the movie kind
Speaker 1: of bails on it.
Speaker 3: I like that she's the smartest character though, like I.
Speaker 1: Know, but like when the smartest character is also the
Speaker 1: most boring character, which is that's a skill issue, that's
Speaker 1: a writing skill issue. Anyways, I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. It's it's because its objectively,
Speaker 1: if you're just watching a movie, it's so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: I totally understand why people still love it, and the
Speaker 1: presentation of like masculinity I think is imperfect, but way
Speaker 1: better than I was expecting for a movie of this era.
Speaker 1: Like I think if you put Zoolander in that department
Speaker 1: next to any other comedy from two thousand and one
Speaker 1: besides Shrek, wo which is great in terms of male friendship,
Speaker 1: Shrek and Donkey Hello. I have some thoughts, but well,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, we're not talking about Shrek anyways. Nipple and
Speaker 1: a half they're both going to Zaane obviously interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give this two nipples, one full nipple,
Speaker 4: two representations of male friendship, like you discuss like where
Speaker 4: they are able to model the type of relationship that
Speaker 4: aren't so insecure as to be fragile. It is like, hey,
Speaker 4: let's talk about our issues all that. But also, and
Speaker 4: we haven't mentioned this. Within the next two hours, they're
Speaker 4: in a fuck pile together, like yes, six were flying.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh, no, we're gay. It was like, hey,
Speaker 4: we all like coming, let's do it.
Speaker 1: It's so true. And they said Challengers was the first
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: It, not so not so those guys. Things went in
Speaker 4: places in that pile and good for them. So that's
Speaker 4: one nipple to that.
Speaker 1: And there was no no homo moment either, which I
Speaker 1: feel like happens, and it.
Speaker 4: Was just like, hey, there was a moment when we
Speaker 4: were all doing this and you two were vibing, but
Speaker 4: I was definitely doing some some parts and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you go, dude. So one full nipple to that, then
Speaker 4: half a nipple to Mila Jovic because I think she's
Speaker 4: very funny and she makes me laugh. But then truly
Speaker 4: a full half of a nipple to the way that
Speaker 4: Will Ferrell says her last name, which always makes me bad.
Speaker 3: It's good and I can't do it.
Speaker 4: Exactly, but it's like, you'll have no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm like perfect, So two niffles.
Speaker 3: For me, perfect, Canise. It's always a treat to have you.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming back for the one millionth time. Basically
Speaker 3: I love being here.
Speaker 1: Come back for the one millionth then once.
Speaker 4: I absolutely will, let's discuss everything you guys have advanced.
Speaker 3: Oh shucks, we're so hot right now. We're so hot
Speaker 3: right now, and you're so hot right now. Canise tell
Speaker 3: us where people can see you and follow you and
Speaker 3: check out your stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you can check out my stuff at Canise Mowgley.
Speaker 4: On all the social media, although because a lot of
Speaker 4: them are bad, I'm on what is the least worst
Speaker 4: one for me right now, which is Instagram. But I
Speaker 4: know it's owned by Meta, but it makes me feel
Speaker 4: better than just being on Facebook. And then I'm not
Speaker 4: on Twitter anymore. And I joined Blue Sky, but I
Speaker 4: don't really post there, so I guess Instagram. I'm sorry. Yeah,
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