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Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast.

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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are

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Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they

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Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephy and Beast start changing

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Speaker 2: with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlyn, the Bechdel Cast is so hot

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 1: Really tell me more?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's I have nothing else to say, just that

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Speaker 3: it's really hot right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, good, good good. We need to make a living,

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, so true. Anyway, Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 3: the very hot Bechdel Cast right now.

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Speaker 1: The sexiest Bechtel Cast yet.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so freaking sexy.

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Speaker 1: Unless oh, when Wilson enters the zoom and then we're

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Speaker 1: in trouble. But then we'll become friends. Oh my god. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Zulander episode of the Bechdel Cast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftus, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Caitlyn Deronte. This is our show where we

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Speaker 3: examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel

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Speaker 3: test as a jumping off point. But Jamie, what is that?

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Speaker 1: Well, well, well, and I'm like did zee. Lads, we'll

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Speaker 1: figure out. We'll figure it out. I have it in

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Speaker 1: my notes, but I watched it two days ago, and

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Speaker 1: literally my brain does not retain information for two days anymore. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The Bechdel Test is a media metric created by queer

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Speaker 1: cartoonist Alison Bechtel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test. Why

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Speaker 1: because it was co created by Liz Wallace, so that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Lots of uses for this test. The one

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Speaker 1: we use requires to pass, two characters with names of

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Speaker 1: a marginalized gender talking to each other about something other

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Speaker 1: than a man for two lines of dialogue or more.

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Speaker 1: Should be dialogue that moves the plot forward in some

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Speaker 1: way ideally, ideally, ideally, But if we like the movie honestly,

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Speaker 1: we'll be like, eh, shrey, kind of bezz.

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Speaker 3: And if we hate the movie, even if it does pass,

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Speaker 3: we'll be like, it doesn't pass.

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Speaker 1: That is true. There are movies that have like, actually

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Speaker 1: demonstrably passed that we're like, but let's be serious, but

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Speaker 1: spiritually no, it doesn't. So it's more of a vibe.

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Speaker 1: At this point, we've been doing the show for almost

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Speaker 1: a decade.

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Speaker 3: Truly, as you said, this is our Zoolander episode. We

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Speaker 3: have a six time guest. Yes, wow, okay.

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Speaker 4: Your past jacket status.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we owe you a house or something.

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Speaker 4: I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 3: She's a comedian. You've seen her on The Tonight Show,

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Speaker 3: Comedy Central, Netflix. She's gonna be doing her solo show

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Speaker 3: at the Black Women in Comedy Festival on February twenty seventh.

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Speaker 3: She also, in addition to me, has a master's degree

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Speaker 3: in film from Boston University. Yea, and you've heard her

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Speaker 3: on dozens of other episodes. It's Canise Mobley, Hello.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be here. I'm just happy to

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Speaker 4: see your right and shining faces.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, hey Canise, welcome to the Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 3: Center for Kids who can't podcast? Good?

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Speaker 4: What is this a center for? Ed?

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Speaker 1: Gosh?

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Speaker 4: Which I say in real life too often.

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Speaker 3: It's a very quotable movie. And tell us what your

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I had not watched this movie in five years,

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Speaker 4: and I rewatched it to discuss with you, lovely ladies,

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Speaker 3: And that's okay. So this was a big movie of

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I watched this. So it came out in

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Speaker 4: Definitely quoted it with my friends a lot because we

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Speaker 3: Nice. I love that.

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Speaker 4: What about you guys?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamie, how about you?

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Speaker 1: I'd never seen this, can you believe it? I'd never

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Speaker 3: My history is similar to Canisi's in that I watched

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Speaker 3: So I love this movie, you know, as a young adult.

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Speaker 3: But then I stopped watching it. I hadn't seen it

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Speaker 1: There's also the Donald Trump caveo jumps that as well.

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Speaker 3: Cameo is awesome though, and holds up amazingly well, Billy Zayne.

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Speaker 1: I yes, Yeah, However, many nipples I end up giving

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Speaker 1: a spoiler alert, they're all going to Billy's he slays this.

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Speaker 1: I can say insider Hollywood info. Billy's aye sits with

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Speaker 4: What's he been doing?

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Speaker 3: they start brainwashing Derek to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia.

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00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: When the song Relax comes on, that's the trigger that

435
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: will get him to like go into a homicidal rage. Basically,

436
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: Matilda shows up to Peer twelve, which turns out to

437
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: be the location of this quote unquote spa, but Katinka

438
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: immediately throws Matilda out in comments on her outfit, saying

439
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 3: it's from kmart.

440
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: Very two thousand and one. Insults.

441
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 4: We even had cats anymore?

442
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, do kids even know what kmarts are

443
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: these days?

444
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: I think there might be one left.

445
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: There's like a huskover kmart in my hometown. It's very sad.

446
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: It's just like gets just a big, scary, haunted liminal space.

447
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

448
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, we cut to Derek waking up in his bed

449
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: and he thinks this whole thing was a dream. But

450
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: Matilda shows up at his door and she tells him

451
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: that he's been missing for a week and that the

452
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: dere leaked show is tomorrow night. Then she discovers that

453
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: several male models who have worked with Mugatu in the

454
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: past have died in freak accidents, and that Mugatu's minion, Katinka,

455
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: is in all of the photographs of the crime scenes.

456
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: So she realizes that Derek is in danger and she

457
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: heads to the pre show party that Derek is at

458
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: to warn him. At the party where Billy Zane is,

459
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: he's there. He's playing himself. He's friends with Derek Zulander.

460
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: He's an ally to Derek.

461
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: He really is. Yes, Hansel shows up and he and

462
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: Derek are still beefing, so they decide to settle this

463
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: on the runway with a walk off with a David

464
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: Bowie cameo. He's like the referee. Sure. Derek is humiliated

465
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 3: by Hansel once again when Hansel wins the walk off

466
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: by taking his underwear off without removing his pants, and

467
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 3: we're like exactly. Then Matilda approaches Derek to be like, hey,

468
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: there's a male modeling conspiracy and you're in danger. Then

469
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: they head to a cemetery after Matilda receives another call

470
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: from that mystery person, who turns out to be former

471
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: hand model JP Pruett played by David d'ucuffney.

472
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Just like poetry, poetry is so great.

473
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: It's amazing. He tells them that the fashion industry has

474
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: been behind every major political assassination for the past two

475
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: hundred years, and behind every hit was a male model

476
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: who is then killed to cover everything up. And JP

477
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: Pruett tells them that they can find evidence for all

478
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: of this on Maury Balstein's computer because he's in on

479
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: it too. Suddenly they are attacked by Mugatu's minions, so

480
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: Derek and Matilda escape and they need to find somewhere

481
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: safe for Derek to hide, and they realize the last

482
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: place that anyone would look for him would be Hansel's house.

483
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: So they show up at Hansel's. Derek and Hansel air

484
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: their grievances and admit that they're actually intimidated by each

485
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: other and now they're friends, and Hansel welcomes them to

486
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: his home. Then there's a scene where Matilda confides in

487
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: them about why she doesn't like models. We'll talk about

488
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: this later because there's a lot to unpack here. Yeah,

489
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: but this culminates in Derek, Hansel, Matilda plus some other

490
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: people having group sex. I think they're all drinking ayahuasca

491
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: or something and they're just getting freaky and horny with

492
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: the each other, and Derek and Matilda in particular are

493
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: really vibing.

494
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hans's kind of along for the ride, right.

495
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: He's watching Slash also participating.

496
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

497
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: The next day is the big dere leaked show when

498
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: Derek is going to be forced to assassinate the Prime

499
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: Minister of Malaysia, so they have to figure out how

500
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: they're going to stop this from happening. Hansel and Derek

501
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: disguise themselves as people of different races.

502
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, there's my like, my heart wilted at

503
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: the sight of this because the movie was doing so

504
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: well generally, and then this happens, and you're like, you've

505
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: got to be fucking kidding me.

506
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: One of those guys, the black guy is a comedian,

507
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: Godfrey still around Godfrey. Yeah, Bill looks very much the

508
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: same man. He has not aged. He looks great, especially yeah,

509
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: twenty five years later. But Dan, it's hard to see

510
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: him there, and you're like, ah, it's not fair to him. No,

511
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: I don't love this implication. I don't love it, I know.

512
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: And then you remember, you know Tropic Thunder, and you're like, oh,

513
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: wait a minute, ben Stiller is.

514
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Kind of Ben Stiller's thing.

515
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: It's kind of a thing.

516
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Weird, weirdo, very weird.

517
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: So, yeah, they are now in disguises as people of

518
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: different races, at the very least they cast different actors. Yes,

519
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: but then later you see ben Stiller and Owen Wilson

520
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: partially in exact black and brown face, and then so, yes,

521
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: it is horrible, doesn't Yeah, it doesn't work very bad anyway.

522
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: They are able to get inside Maury's office, but they

523
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: don't know how to use computers. There's this whole two

524
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: thousand and one A Space Odyssey reference where they're like

525
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: kind of banging on one of those huge desktops, yeah,

526
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: from two thousand and one. And before they figure out

527
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: how to access the evidence, Derek has to leave to

528
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: get to his show. Meanwhile, Matilda figures out that the

529
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: trigger is the song relax after learning that Mugatu used

530
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: to be in was it the band Frankie goes to

531
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: Hollywood that's who wrote relaxed. So anyway, they booted him out.

532
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: It was like slightly too dated for me. I'm like,

533
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure this was funny in two thousand and one,

534
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: but hard to say right.

535
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: Anyway, he was in a band, but he got booted

536
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: out before they recorded their hit song Relax, and so

537
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: he's very bitter toward them. He also invented the piano

538
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: key necktie and that's what launched his fashion career. Now

539
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: that's funny and that's comedy. Yes, anyway, so Matilda figures

540
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: out that that's like the trigger song. Then the Dare

541
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: Leaked show starts. The Prime Minister of Malaysia is there

542
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: as Mugatu's special guest Derek comes on stage. The DJ

543
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: starts playing the song Relax the.

544
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Row and unrecognizable justin the row.

545
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had no idea until looking at Wikipedia earlier today.

546
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: So the song starts playing. Derek is about to attack

547
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, but then Hansel swoops in. There's a

548
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: whole fight scene where Hansel battles DJ justin throu They

549
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: keep switching the music back and forth, and then eventually

550
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: they expose Mugatu and the whole conspiracy to brainwash Derek

551
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: into assassinating the Malaysian Prime Minister. Maury Balstein confirms this

552
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: is all true, and Mugatu is like, fine, if you're

553
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: not gonna kill the Prime Minister, I'll do it myself,

554
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: and he's about to kill him, but then Derek saves

555
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister with his new look Magnum, which blows

556
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: everyone away, and everyone's so proud of him, even Derek's

557
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: father back in New Jersey.

558
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, what are movies

559
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: about fathers?

560
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: And yes, okay. So then we cut to a little later.

561
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: The Derek Zulander Center for kids who can't read good

562
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: and want to learn to do other stuff good too,

563
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: has opened. His friends are teachers there. Derek and Matilda

564
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: have gotten together and they have a kid, Derek Junior,

565
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: who is an aspiring male model because he does a

566
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: little look. And that's pretty much the end of the movie.

567
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: So let's take another quick break and we'll come back

568
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: to discuss, and.

569
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: We're back.

570
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: Where to begin?

571
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Where to begin?

572
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: Uh?

573
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: I guess we could start with the few women in

574
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: this movie where I don't know, I mean, what if

575
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: we think? I thought the Milijevovich character was really fun,

576
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: probably a little underused, like could have had because it's

577
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: just fresh because she's giving such a fun performance, But

578
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: the movie really only has interested in her at like

579
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: plot useful times, versus like building out much for her

580
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: to do, like we don't really know anything about her

581
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: like outside of that. And then unfortunately Christine Taylor, it's

582
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: not her fault, but I just like, I feel like

583
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: this exact character exists in a lot of movies around

584
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: this era. Unfortunately, I am thinking of The Master of

585
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Disguise where you're like, uh huh listen, which for some

586
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: reason is a movie I have seen many times. In

587
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: spite of not saying Zulander doesn't make sense, but I'm

588
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: going to try to like boil down. It's like just

589
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: she's too normal and everyone else is a cartoon character

590
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: in this movie except her and she like and I

591
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: think that that's the joke, But I also don't think

592
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: it's fair to the actor, and it's not a particularly

593
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: memorable character, and I don't like it.

594
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: There are so many movies of this time, and I thought,

595
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 4: this is what you're gonna say, where a woman there

596
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: is a journalist to cover the thing the man is doing,

597
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: and of course she will end up sleeping with one

598
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: of the people in the movie. Like that happened over

599
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: and over again, even up until like train Wreck or

600
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: about Tag called Tag.

601
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Where it was where Jerremy Renner broke his arms.

602
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

603
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty shirt as a Renner historian, I'm pretty I

604
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: like him. I hate he sucks. I hate him like

605
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: he sucks.

606
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: And it was only confirmed like he did some things

607
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: that were annoying or something. But I was like, no,

608
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm only celebrating this because deep down I didn't like

609
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: that guy. But yes, Tag where Jeremy Renner broke is up.

610
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: But in that they write a woman just to be

611
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: a journalist air quotes, to follow these guys around and

612
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: then eventually sleep with one of them.

613
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: And you're totally right. I think that that happens a

614
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: lot across rom coms as well, where like it's a

615
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: comedies and realm comms often it's like, okay, well, feminism happens,

616
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: So we can't just like have a woman not have

617
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: a job, But how can we create a character that

618
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: is just disproportionately interested in what this guy is up to?

619
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: I think that that's yeah, that's I don't think we've

620
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: ever like really honed in on that on this show. Yeah,

621
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: that's totally true.

622
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And to your point, Jamie, it means that

623
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: she's and I get it, like in a comedy movie

624
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: there's often like the straight straight man to emphasize the

625
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: comedic hijinks.

626
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: But if you only have two women in the movie.

627
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: Like right, where it's like, okay, and there are moments

628
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: where she's like reacting to something absurd where like she

629
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: kind of gets the laugh or like her reaction is

630
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: like oh ha ha, I agree with her because they

631
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: did something ridiculous. But even so, like it means that

632
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: she isn't given the opportunity to show like comedic chops

633
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: quite the same way as all of the other characters

634
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: who are predominantly men.

635
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe like an obvious observation. But like, in

636
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: this movie that's written by three men that I do

637
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: think has some stuff to say about masculinity. But I

638
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: was not shocked that there's only two women characters. One

639
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: is an underutilized comedic character and the other is a pretty,

640
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: I think dully written love interest.

641
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 4: For sure, there's a there's another. It's not a character,

642
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: and it's not a cameo because it's not a famous person.

643
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: They made someone look the worst they've ever looked, and

644
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: they played the messuse and I just that stuck out

645
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: to me.

646
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: I was like, that's Sandy Dick.

647
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: A Sandy Dick.

648
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: That's Andy Dick. Yeahah, he's I was like, wait, they

649
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: have three women on screen at the same time. That's wild.

650
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: No, that's Andy Dick.

651
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Speaker 4: No, they don't they never mind, never mind, I take

652
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: it back.

653
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I will take every opportunity to just declare Andy Dick

654
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: one of the world's worst people. I hate that motherfucker.

655
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: And it's personal, okay, but it is a very tired

656
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: joke where it's either regardless of the gender of the actor,

657
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: sometimes it is a man, sometimes it's a woman, but

658
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: it's someone in so much makeup and prosthetics, and it's

659
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the character is almost always a woman, where it's like, look,

660
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: how hideous this old hag is, and isn't that comedy

661
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: yet the drag being used, where drag is the punchline

662
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: as a post like yeah.

663
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, not great when it comes to the characters

664
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: who are women.

665
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I don't really have much to say about those

666
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: characters outside of that because we're not really given that much.

667
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: There's a couple of times when Zulander talks to the

668
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: investigatory journalist, which I thought investigatory was a word for

669
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 4: a long time, and it's not right.

670
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: It is an investigative journalist.

671
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, investigative journalist. But I just say it really quickly

672
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: because I'm always like, shit, I'm doing it wrong.

673
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: But if someone said that to me, I would be like, yeah,

674
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: that sounds like a word.

675
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah yeah. But when Balls talks to her when

676
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: she's asking questions, he's like, ah, you'd look pretty good

677
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: if you had a push up raw And we're supposed

678
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: to like this guy. I was like, this guy who

679
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: smacks his secretary's button is like talking about his penis

680
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: all the time. I was like, I hate this person, right,

681
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: but so she's like okay, and she doesn't say anything then,

682
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: and then when she's trying to tell him you've been

683
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 4: missing for a week, he's like, hey, you have patterned

684
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: dryness around your scalp because you're pulling your hair too tight,

685
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: may I? And then he pulls her hair out of

686
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: a ponytail and stuff, and he's like, wow, you look better,

687
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 4: and she's like smiling, like oh thanks, like do this better?

688
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 4: Don't die? And I'm like, why would she stand for

689
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: any of this? Why?

690
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's there's the scene where she tells

691
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: them her backstory, so okay. Earlier in the movie, when

692
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: Derek is talking to his male model friends about wanting

693
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: to help people, and they're like, models do help people.

694
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: We make people feel good about themselves and teach them

695
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: how to wear their hair in interesting ways. The irony

696
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: being that the entire beauty industry is predicated on making

697
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: people feel bad about themselves so that they can capitalize

698
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: on people's insecurities and sell them shit and all of that.

699
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: That might be an oversimplification, but it's largely that either way.

700
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: We find out the reason that Matilda does not like

701
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: models when she shares her backstory because she describes that

702
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: when she was a kid, she was bullied for being fat,

703
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: and she felt all this pressure to live up to

704
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: these impossible Western beauty standards that were perpetuated by the

705
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: models she saw in magazines, and from that she'd developed

706
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: and eating disorder. And she shares this with these two

707
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: guys who like completely trivialize her experience. She is clearly

708
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 3: frustrated that they're not taking her seriously, But then the

709
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: scene quickly moves on to her sex life.

710
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: Which is like, so, I mean again, clearly a story

711
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: written by three men, because it's like again, because it's like,

712
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting conversation, but the movie just

713
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: tells you they're like, but we don't this interesting thing

714
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: we said. We actually don't care that we said it.

715
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: It's like, well, then why did you say it?

716
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: Then?

717
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Why did you say it?

718
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 4: Right?

719
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: At the very least, Derek does apologize to her a

720
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: few scenes later. It is while he's in blackface, so

721
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: it's just like, well.

722
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also noted that. I was like, I'm gonna

723
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: say that, it does not count.

724
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: It does not count. Right, There's a conversation to be

725
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: had about this, and the movie almost starts to have

726
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: that conversation, but and is like never mind.

727
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because it's like, again, that would totally

728
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: fit into other points the movie is trying to make about,

729
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: like what is the point of the beauty industry? Like

730
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: is there any positive to it? Where is the source

731
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: of like evil and dysfunction within it? Continuing on that

732
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: line of thought would be like very well placed. But

733
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: again they're just like nah, right, well, so some.

734
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: Of the characters who are doing and saying problematic things

735
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 3: in the movie, is a part of the satire that's

736
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: criticizing the fashion industry and like showing how toxic of

737
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: an environment this could be. I think the whole dere

738
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: Leaked campaign is like, look at how the fashion industry

739
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: we got.

740
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: To in general? Yes, everything he does?

741
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything about how like you know, using homelessness as

742
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: an aesthetic for a fashion show, Right, that's satire higher.

743
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's handled perfectly, but at least that's clear.

744
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not endorsing that obviously, ye.

745
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: Right, where we're right. There are other moments where a

746
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: character makes fat shaming remarks, such as when Mugatu tells

747
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: a model to lose weight immediately that are satirical representations

748
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: of the unrealistic beauty and body standards within modeling and

749
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: within the fashion industry. Again not handled the most effectively

750
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: in this movie.

751
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: But also, yeah, is there anyone in this movie that

752
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: isn't traditionally attractive? Right?

753
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was something that I I not that

754
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I noticed and all, like again just going back to

755
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I feel like part of why

756
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: the Christine Taylor character, it's like, well, but she's not

757
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: fat anymore, and that is I feel like something we see, like,

758
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: especially during this era of movies, when fatness is even

759
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: referenced in a story, it's in the past tense, as

760
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: if if it were in the present tense, they would

761
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: not be in the movie, which in this movie appears

762
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: to be true. I don't know, like it's just and

763
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: like going back to that talking point again, like from

764
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: that character Matilda, I'm just gonna keep calling her Christie Taylor.

765
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: But that is like such a clear opportunity for satire.

766
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I don't know why they just gave it up. I

767
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: at least, I guess for not for nothing, Like I'm

768
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: glad that at least the body shaving aspects were explicitly

769
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: referenced by a character, but yeah, it just doesn't go anywhere.

770
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so you have examples of again characters saying

771
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: problematic things as part of the satire. But then you

772
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: also just have like it was two thousand and one,

773
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: and this is what we thought was comedy back then,

774
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: because you have things like there are a few instances

775
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: of ableists language and slurs being thrown around. There are

776
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: transphoe remarks which apparently get worse as the series goes on,

777
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: which horrifying. Again, Yeah, I can't speak to it, but

778
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: there's you know, sexual assault in the workplace being played

779
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: as a joke. You mentioned that canis there are examples

780
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: of little people or people of color where them simply

781
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: being on screen is the punchline of a joke, like

782
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: when they show up in the group sex scene. There

783
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: is the black and brown face that we discussed.

784
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: Which Ben Stiller will be a big proponent of well

785
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: into this decade. Yes, Traffic Thunder was what like two

786
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: thousand and seven or something.

787
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: Something around then. Yeah, yes, so there are jokes that

788
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: age horribly and are not there as any part of

789
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: like satirical social commentary. It's just it was two thousand

790
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: and one. But then there's other moments where the movie

791
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: is like commenting on expectations of masculinity, like when Derek

792
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: returns to coal mining New Jersey and his brothers and

793
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: especially his dad are ashamed of Derek and his job because,

794
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, being a male model doesn't live up to

795
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: their rigid expectations of masculinity, and they want him to

796
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: work on quote unquote manly job like working in a

797
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: coal mine, and.

798
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: It's like in the goofiest way possible, which is great,

799
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't know all the family jokes like John

800
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Voight is being John Voight is the worst part of it.

801
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: But outside of that, like basically no notes at the

802
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: end where there's like that very offhand resolution where he's

803
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: like watching like they in the New Jersey coal mine bars,

804
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: they would watch so great, that's my son.

805
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: Where are they watching this? I love it?

806
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I love it. They're like, well, yeah, it's kind of

807
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: the big a fashion.

808
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like on all of the TVs. It's over

809
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: the sports. Forget sports. It's the got to Daryl Leek's campaign.

810
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: Love it, love its comedy.

811
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: You don't even do that for the Victoria's Secret Show.

812
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: You Okay, yeah, you have to feel like an Amazon

813
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: Prime subscriber or some shit. Now, Like no wo.

814
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: I love the part where Derek's like, oh I ever

815
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 3: wanted was to make you proud pop and John Voyd

816
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: is like, with what your male modeling? Prancing around with

817
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: your wiener hanging out? I think the lord that your

818
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: mother never lived to see her son as a mermaid,

819
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: and then Derek goes merman, yes, man, that is comedy anyway,

820
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: again not handled super thoughtfully in the movie. It is

821
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 3: the beginning of a conversation.

822
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like that. What I felt like is like, well,

823
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: I think that that's the best this movie could do

824
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: on that subject. While like maintaining the tone of the movie,

825
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad about it fair.

826
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: The other thing that I was like pleasantly surprised by

827
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: upon this rewatch was the scene where Derek and Hansel

828
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: talk through why they've been beefing, and they admit to

829
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: feeling threatened by each other because Derek's like, yeah, I'm

830
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: getting older and my career is winding down and you're

831
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: young and your career is just getting started, and Hansel's like, well,

832
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: they're like.

833
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: The same age.

834
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: I think they're like years apart.

835
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: But yes, yeah, it's very funny. But yeah, Hansel is like, well,

836
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm intimidated by you because you're such a legend and

837
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: it's difficult to live in your shadow. And they hug

838
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: it out and they become friends. But it's just like

839
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: so rare to see in a movie adult men talk

840
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: through their issues and talk about their feelings, especially like

841
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: feelings of vulnerability, and they're admitting to being intimidated by

842
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: each other by another man. Like I was just like, wow,

843
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: you don't see this, especially in two thousand and one.

844
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: I really yeah, I'm so I wish I could. Well,

845
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't wish I could talk to a man in

846
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. But I'm curious how that was

847
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: read at the time because I also really liked that. Yeah,

848
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: it's like they're The movie is like, oh, they're you know,

849
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: these guys are unmasculine by traditional standards, and they're the

850
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: only men in the room who can have an open

851
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: discussion about their feelings and openly connect with each other.

852
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm curious how that was read at the time. I wonder, Okay,

853
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: this is my two thousand and one question. It's like,

854
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: was that a joke at the time that it's like

855
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: only unmasculine men could possibly have this conversation. I don't

856
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: think that the movie is like criticizing them, because we

857
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: love these characters. They're the best. But I'm I don't know,

858
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either, sound off in

859
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: the chat everybody nice.

860
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: I do want to use this almost like as a

861
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 4: role player exercise for like friend dude, dude friend therapy,

862
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: where it's like, Okay, so what we're gonna do is

863
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna be do Lander, You're gonna be a Hansel,

864
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: and you're gonna start with the lines that are in

865
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: the movie, and then slowly you're gonna improvise and incorporate

866
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: your own shit, and then it just did did did

867
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 4: did did it? Boom, We've healed male friendship. I think

868
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: it's possible.

869
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: We can get there. We can get there, We can

870
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: get there.

871
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: It takes a lot of Yes, probably gonna be a

872
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: bunch of improv dudes at first, and that's fine, but yeah,

873
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: like that's where it's gotta start. Then that's where it's

874
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: gotta start.

875
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, corneus meant to the front. Sorry to improvise us there,

876
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: but it's true. Yeah, I mean I love that their

877
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: friendship resolves. I wasn't sure which way it was going

878
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: to go, and it just makes sense. And then okay,

879
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I have another two thousand and one can we put

880
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: ourselves back there moment, which is that I mean, this

881
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: movie is mysteriously absent of queer people in an industry

882
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: where there are many queer people working in high places,

883
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: which feels very two thousand and one, So that is

884
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: I think bizarre. But also I did like that for Derek,

885
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: like he is ostensibly straight as far as we know,

886
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: and that his vulnerability didn't threaten that in any way,

887
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: which I do think is a good thing. So I'm

888
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: having two things be true there. It feels weird to

889
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: completely erase queer people from the fashion industry, and also

890
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: I did like the portrayal of a straight guy that

891
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: could have male friends and be emotionally vulnerable without that

892
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: threatening his straightness.

893
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: For sure. This is also an era where queer people

894
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: were basically absent from cinema in general.

895
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly thought that there would be heavier

896
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: coating in two thousand and one.

897
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, I mean, I wonder

898
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: if Mugatu is supposed to be queer coded. His assistant

899
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: is his assistant Todd for sure, yes, played by Nathan

900
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: Lee Graham.

901
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: I'm like, I've seen him be a gay character and

902
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: a lot of things. I think maybe i've now that

903
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 4: i'm thinking about it, I'm like, I've probably just projected

904
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: him into things.

905
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: Oh no, m yeah, I don't know much about Nathan

906
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: Lee Graham's personal life, but the character that he's playing

907
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: Todd certainly queer coded, Mugatu maybe arguably also queer coded.

908
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: Hard to I would say, what were exactly right?

909
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: And like Will Ferrell is so weird that it's like

910
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: you just really never know what he's going for. And

911
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean that as a compliment because I think that

912
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: like a lazier, less creative comic actor would have just

913
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: leaned heavy on queer coding. But like Will Ferrell is,

914
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: he's just doing a lot, Like I don't who knows,

915
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: who knows what Mugatu's interior life is.

916
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: He's just menacing, not menacing.

917
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: We just missing right, not really sure what's going on.

918
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: You just kind of have to remind yourself. It was

919
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: two thousand and one and representation was just not good.

920
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: I said, Wow, brilliantly.

921
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Bravely, bravely I've never been said on this show before.

922
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, another thing I wanted to talk about is so okay.

923
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: This is a movie about a small group of rich

924
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: and powerful industry leaders who conspire to assassinate the leader

925
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: of a country so they can continue to exploit child

926
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: labor in the Global South so as to maximize profits.

927
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: It's giving all a guarchy. It's giving all a garchy.

928
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sure is pretty interesting for a very silly

929
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: comedy movie to be about this, to call attention to this,

930
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: because this is a very real thing that continues to

931
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: happen around the world.

932
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Caitlin's context corner.

933
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 4: Here we go.

934
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: So there's obviously many examples of this happening in the

935
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: world currently. I would like to take this moment to

936
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: discuss what's currently happening in the DRC aka the Democratic

937
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: Republic of the Congo, just in case listeners are not

938
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: aware of this. So this movie is obviously about the

939
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: garment and fashion industry. What I'm about to talk about

940
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: relates to the tech industry. But the DRC is a

941
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: country that's very rich in valuable resources that are used

942
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: to manufacture a lot of tech, which means that companies

943
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: like Google, Apple, Tesla, Intel, Microsoft, Dell.

944
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Basically everyone who is at the presidential inauguration exactly.

945
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: Yes, they are stealing these resources things like tin, tungsten, cobalt,

946
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: col tan, just to name a few, and Congolese people

947
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: have more or less been enslaved who mine these resources.

948
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: The working conditions are incredibly inhumane and unsafe. The workers

949
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 3: are paid almost nothing, less than two US dollars a day,

950
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: and a lot of that labor that's being exploited is

951
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: child labor, which goes back to the movie Zoolander, but

952
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 3: obviously any type of exploited underpaid labor is wrong anyway.

953
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 3: This is an ongoing humanitarian crisis that's been happening since

954
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 3: the nineties, though imperialist entities have been exploited in Congo

955
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: for its resources for much longer than that. Millions of

956
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: people in the DRC have been killed, Millions have been

957
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: displaced from their homes, Millions are food insecure and living

958
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: in extreme poverty. It has devastating effects not only on

959
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: the people but also the land. The DRC recently filed

960
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: a criminal lawsuit against Apple. Time will tell how that

961
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 3: pans out, but Overall, this is one of the most

962
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: significant human wor violations happening in the world currently, and

963
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: not many people are talking about it. It does not

964
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: get really any Western mainstream news coverage. So I just

965
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: wanted to take this opportunity to help spread awareness about this.

966
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: Listeners can help by boycotting the aforementioned companies. You can

967
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: change the way you consume electronics. You can buy refurbished

968
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: instead of constantly buying new shit all the time. You

969
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: can donate to organizations that are providing aid to people

970
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: in the DRC. You can research, do your own research,

971
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: and spread your own awareness. There's lots more to learn.

972
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: I've you know, what I've said just covers the basics,

973
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: but you know, there's lots to know.

974
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: And we can leave some links in the description as well,

975
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: for like a jumping off, because I think like that's

976
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: something that I feel also under informed on in general,

977
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you don't know what you don't know,

978
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: but once you write, you know, spread the information. I

979
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that research. Kitlin.

980
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: I've been learning about this myself for the past of

981
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 3: year or so and it's just like really horrifying, and yeah,

982
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: it is not being talked about because it is not

983
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: in the capitalist world's interest to talk about it or

984
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 3: draw attention to it.

985
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: So and who owns most of our newspapers? Now, like,

986
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: there's that's the rent that I can go on for

987
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: five thousand. I mean, I think this is unfortunately maybe

988
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: a good point to mention that Ben Stiller is I

989
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: guess I don't know exactly how to characterize, but he

990
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: last year released what could generously be described as a

991
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: very both sides, the statement about Palestine, and uh, the

992
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of both size, the statement that I feel indicates

993
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: that he's probably a Zionist. You can look it up

994
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: if you like. It did not sit well with me

995
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: at all, and that is just something to be aware

996
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: of as well.

997
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything else anyone would like to talk

998
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: about regarding the movie Zoolander?

999
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm so curious what someone like you're adjusting it. But

1000
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: you're you're you were so young to me. You will

1001
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: always be very young to me, Jamie, because you are

1002
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 4: younger than me, which means you are a child. But no, no, no, no, no,

1003
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: You're you're a full of fledged adult. You have like

1004
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 4: a huge resume. You're very impressive.

1005
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen, oh, Wow.

1006
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but then you've done so much. What a

1007
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 4: young person today would think watching this, like they would

1008
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: they get any of the cameos because there's so many,

1009
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: Like every scene is filled with celebrities, Like why is

1010
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: Natalie Portman in this movie? Lenny Kraft this movie?

1011
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: Like Christian Slater. We got a Cuba Gooding junior beast,

1012
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: like Lenny Kraviat Fabio.

1013
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got like two out of three.

1014
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: Every there were a few that I'm like, I don't know,

1015
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: I honestly, and this is like fucked up. But like

1016
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: I sometimes don't know who David Ducovney is. But I like,

1017
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: once someonees like, that's David Ducovney, I'm like, right, but

1018
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: I just never watched The X Files. I certainly didn't

1019
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: watch Californication, so he's just like not on my radar.

1020
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: Fair, I wonder. I mean, a young person watching this,

1021
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure they would look at Gary Shandling and be like, oh, yeah,

1022
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: it's Gary.

1023
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Get that right away.

1024
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: You would definitely be in the front row at fashion.

1025
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: Week Fashion Week, Gary Shaner, for sure. Fred Durst is

1026
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: Fred Durst? Is there?

1027
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Fred Durst? That was fun?

1028
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: That was fun. I don't even think you can call

1029
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: it a cameo because it's well and ink spoiler for

1030
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,959
Speaker 3: the movie Y two K. But he's like a full

1031
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: character in that movie.

1032
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: Also in I saw the TV Glow, Yes, Fred Durst

1033
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: is a full on.

1034
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 4: Actually a twenty four darling.

1035
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all.

1036
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: You didn't see it. Wait, you did see Fred Durston.

1037
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I saw the TV Glow all, I saw.

1038
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: The movie, but I don't remember him being in that

1039
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: the dad Yeah that's Red Durst.

1040
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: Yes.

1041
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: Jane Schoenbrun is so diabolical with casting. I love their

1042
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: casting because it was like Connor, O'Malley and Fred Durst

1043
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: and I saw the TV Glow You're like, sure, yeah, yep,

1044
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: fred Durst does. I think a great job in that

1045
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: movie too.

1046
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1047
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean he's at least unrecognizable as Fred Durst.

1048
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: If he's not wearing.

1049
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 4: He's not wearing a hat. That might be why you

1050
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: didn't see.

1051
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: If he's not wearing his like backwards just a little

1052
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: outred Yankees hat or whatever the fuck. I don't know

1053
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: who that is exactly.

1054
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: God, that is the year two thousand and one to

1055
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: me is like Nelly with the band aid and Fred

1056
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: Durst with the hat. Nelly also, I believe recently performed

1057
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: at a Trump event.

1058
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the yeah, he performed at the inauguration.

1059
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, Lord, and for what?

1060
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: And for what?

1061
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog as well?

1062
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 4: There is sup Dog. You're not getting enough money from

1063
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 4: all that Martha Stewart bullshit and all of your product endorsements,

1064
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 4: like bruh, you don't have unforced error, you don't have

1065
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 4: to do this.

1066
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: What could you possibly need at this point? I just

1067
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: don't understand.

1068
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: Okay, but hey, Tyson Beckford is also in the movie.

1069
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: So is that a hot man?

1070
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: He's one of the few male models that I can

1071
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: actually aim or he was oh wow.

1072
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was bigger back in the day. Who else?

1073
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: DJ Paris Hilton makes a cameo.

1074
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: She does our coworker DJ Paris. I actually don't even

1075
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: know if she still has a podcast. She was briefly

1076
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: our quote unquote callworker.

1077
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: Nice anyway, Yeah, sorry, I think we cut you off, Canise,

1078
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: because I just had to go on a tirade about

1079
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 3: all the cameos.

1080
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: I love the fact that it is such a timestamp

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Speaker 4: exactly this time. But yeah, I have a four year

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Speaker 4: old nephew. I love him so much. I wouldn't show

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Speaker 4: him this movie yet. I mean he has watched like

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Speaker 4: Captain America Civil War and that's on his parents, but

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Speaker 4: so I wouldn't show him this yet. He also wouldn't

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Speaker 4: get it and he'd be bored out of his mind.

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Speaker 4: But when he's like twelve, I want to be like, now,

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Speaker 4: tell me who any of these people are? Are like

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Speaker 4: just you'll have.

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Speaker 1: No I also love as you like get older, listening

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Speaker 1: to like what my like younger cousin who's like I

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Speaker 1: think she's nineteen now, where like she knows who will

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Speaker 1: Ferrel is, but she her the thing she knows him

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Speaker 1: from is completely different, where like she would be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's well, I mean I guess she might know elf,

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: but like she'd be like, oh from Barbie, oh Farrel

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Speaker 1: from the movie Barbie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know this are yeah, this this is

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Speaker 3: how time works.

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Speaker 1: Time. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I would also would they because there's a lot in

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Speaker 4: this movie that we're like, oh that's not so great,

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Speaker 4: but we still think it's funny. But yeah, if you

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Speaker 4: weren't around, then would you think this is funny?

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I don't know I think

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Speaker 1: that this central like criticism holds up well. I also

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01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: think the character of Zoolander does generally hold up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the worst thing about this movie by a country mile

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Speaker 1: is the black face and brown face sequence, especially because

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Speaker 1: we know that Ben Stiller was weirdly obsessed with doing

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Speaker 1: that in the two thousands, just makes it all the worse.

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Speaker 1: But like I do like there's elements of this movie

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Speaker 1: that I found surprisingly good and effective. Okay, and the

1114
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: jokes are like I feel like anyone should be able

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Speaker 1: to laugh at the ant joke. That's a good joke.

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Speaker 3: A center for ants, It's a good joke.

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Speaker 4: It is a solid joke.

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Speaker 3: There's a really funny joke when Derek and Matilda first

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Speaker 3: show up to Hansel's place to be like, we need

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Speaker 3: a safe spot to hang out because Derek is being

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Speaker 3: brainwashed into killing the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and Hansel

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Speaker 3: just goes like yeah, so like yeah, this is normal.

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Speaker 3: And then when he's introducing everyone to them, when they're

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Speaker 3: like going through the house and he's like, hey, everyone,

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Speaker 3: this is Derek and Matilda. They're just hanging out here

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Speaker 3: for a few days because Derek has been brainwashed and

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Speaker 3: did it and everyone's just like, oh, yeah, hey, it's

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Speaker 3: so normal to all these people. That is comedy. There's

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Speaker 3: other grat I mean Derek's tiny little cell phone. Yes,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, that's comedy.

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: The tiny little cell phone. You can't beat the time.

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: I love a tiny little cell phone. For a while,

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01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: my dear friend Jake would do that, and I thought

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01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: it was his idea and I need to text him

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01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: about it because he never told me it was from Zoolander. Wow,

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: he used to do that bit all the time. I

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: was like, wow, top ten funniest things I've ever seen

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: in my life, fully just from Zoolander.

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: So many funny things that people do and say I

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: think have been pulled from.

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it.

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Speaker 4: I believe it.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: I was mortified, but I was like, all right, I

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: can I guess I can wait till I see him

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01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: in person next time. But regardless, how dare you deceive?

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: You should definitely my call him out, my.

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Young I mean, maybe he just thought I would know.

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was like, Jake's hilarious bit

1151
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: the tiny phone.

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01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: Not so anyway, does anyone have anything else they'd like

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: to discuss.

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 4: Based on the conversation about the Congo. This is not

1155
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: the most mentally healthy response to that. But I was like, okay,

1156
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: so we need is like a Zoolander plus the death

1157
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: of Stalin.

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01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: Oh I still haven't seen it, like plus like oh, what's.

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01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 4: The the tech show that MILNJIOHANNYI put those three things

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 4: together to like lambast the tech industry, although I say

1161
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 4: that knowing that no major studio would give that money,

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 4: nor distributors or distribute it. So somebody definitely has to

1163
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 4: do it.

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01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: Someone else just has to do it independently.

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: Figure it out.

1166
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: We can do it. We'll do it.

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01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: Let's okay, let's do it.

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 1: Let's do it done.

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01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 3: The movie, I think does pass the Bechdel test when

1170
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: Matilda and Katinka talk about Matilda's outfit and it's from Kmart,

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: and then finally at the end, Matilda's like, no, it's

1172
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: the something something line and I got it at j C.

1173
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: Penny on sale, and that passes the Bechdel test.

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 4: So are there still j C Pennies?

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, there's one in the Glendale Galleria.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, I will occasionally get something

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: a little overpriced and a little ugly at the Glendale

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: Galleria j C. Penny.

1179
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: I bought a red dress that I wore for Halloween

1180
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: for the substance costume. Amazing, and I got that at

1181
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: JC Penny.

1182
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: Wow.

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: Shout out this. This podcast is not sponsored by jay

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01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: Z Penny, but I guess we're saying that we're.

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01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: Open to it.

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Speaker 3: I guess so. Yeah. So it does pass the Bechdel test. However,

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01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: on our nipple scale, I scale where we rate the

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01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: movie zero to five nipples based on examining it through

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Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens. Okay, I'm gonna give it two nipples,

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: and here's why. Okay, you know, from an intersectional feminist

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 3: point of view, it doesn't hold up particularly well, and

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 3: there are many jokes that are very problematic and very cringey.

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 3: But the overall story that calls attention to oligarchs exploiting

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 3: labor in the global South timely and killing people over it,

1195
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: this was relevant then, it's relevant now. The fact that

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Speaker 3: a comedy movie is about that is I think pretty cool.

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: So normally I would give this movie something closer to

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Speaker 3: like one nipple, but I'm gonna give it to because

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Speaker 3: of the just premise, and I'm gonna give one nipple

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Speaker 3: to Derek's tiny cell phone, and I'm gonna give the

1201
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: other nipple to Billy Zane's cameo.

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Speaker 1: I think I will meet you there for basically the

1203
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: same reason that this movie was doing more than I

1204
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: thought it was going to. It makes a point that

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Speaker 1: I don't think any movie does, certainly not a comedy

1206
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: about exploitation and labor. I do feel like the way

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01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: that the president of Laisa, I forgot to says earlier

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: is presented pretty cartoonish, Yes, for sure, and that felt pointed.

1209
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: There's not much in terms of intersectional feminism. The movie

1210
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: is extremely white and yet does manage to feature blackface,

1211
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: which I'm going down to one and a half. And

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: I think with the Matilda character, were like hinting at

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: something productive to say, but then ultimately the movie kind

1214
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: of bails on it.

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Speaker 3: I like that she's the smartest character though, like I.

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: Know, but like when the smartest character is also the

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: most boring character, which is that's a skill issue, that's

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01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: a writing skill issue. Anyways, I'm going to give it

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01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. It's it's because its objectively,

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: if you're just watching a movie, it's so fucking funny.

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: I totally understand why people still love it, and the

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: presentation of like masculinity I think is imperfect, but way

1223
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: better than I was expecting for a movie of this era.

1224
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: Like I think if you put Zoolander in that department

1225
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: next to any other comedy from two thousand and one

1226
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: besides Shrek, wo which is great in terms of male friendship,

1227
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: Shrek and Donkey Hello. I have some thoughts, but well,

1228
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm okay, we're not talking about Shrek anyways. Nipple and

1229
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: a half they're both going to Zaane obviously interesting.

1230
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Speaker 4: I'm going to give this two nipples, one full nipple,

1231
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 4: two representations of male friendship, like you discuss like where

1232
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 4: they are able to model the type of relationship that

1233
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 4: aren't so insecure as to be fragile. It is like, hey,

1234
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 4: let's talk about our issues all that. But also, and

1235
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 4: we haven't mentioned this. Within the next two hours, they're

1236
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 4: in a fuck pile together, like yes, six were flying.

1237
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, oh, no, we're gay. It was like, hey,

1238
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 4: we all like coming, let's do it.

1239
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: It's so true. And they said Challengers was the first

1240
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: to do.

1241
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 4: It, not so not so those guys. Things went in

1242
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: places in that pile and good for them. So that's

1243
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 4: one nipple to that.

1244
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: And there was no no homo moment either, which I

1245
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like happens, and it.

1246
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 4: Was just like, hey, there was a moment when we

1247
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 4: were all doing this and you two were vibing, but

1248
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 4: I was definitely doing some some parts and I was like, yeah,

1249
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 4: you go, dude. So one full nipple to that, then

1250
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 4: half a nipple to Mila Jovic because I think she's

1251
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: very funny and she makes me laugh. But then truly

1252
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 4: a full half of a nipple to the way that

1253
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 4: Will Ferrell says her last name, which always makes me bad.

1254
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: It's good and I can't do it.

1255
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 4: Exactly, but it's like, you'll have no, no, no, no,

1256
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 4: I'm like perfect, So two niffles.

1257
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: For me, perfect, Canise. It's always a treat to have you.

1258
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming back for the one millionth time. Basically

1259
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 3: I love being here.

1260
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: Come back for the one millionth then once.

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01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 4: I absolutely will, let's discuss everything you guys have advanced.

1262
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 3: Oh shucks, we're so hot right now. We're so hot

1263
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 3: right now, and you're so hot right now. Canise tell

1264
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 3: us where people can see you and follow you and

1265
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: check out your stuff.

1266
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so you can check out my stuff at Canise Mowgley.

1267
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 4: On all the social media, although because a lot of

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01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 4: them are bad, I'm on what is the least worst

1269
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 4: one for me right now, which is Instagram. But I

1270
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: know it's owned by Meta, but it makes me feel

1271
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 4: better than just being on Facebook. And then I'm not

1272
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 4: on Twitter anymore. And I joined Blue Sky, but I

1273
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 4: don't really post there, so I guess Instagram. I'm sorry. Yeah,

1274
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 4: I'm all over that. I have a don't Tell set.

1275
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 4: It's coming out soon, so check your feeds for that.

1276
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: And this is dorky as hell, but if you listen

1277
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,839
Speaker 4: to this podcast you like movies. I'm hosting the Oscars

1278
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 4: event at Franklin Park in Brooklyn. So if you want

1279
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 4: to watch the Oscars and do trivia and Philly prizes

1280
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 4: and games and take photos and maybe win best Costume

1281
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 4: or something, then come on by.

1282
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, oh yeah.

1283
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 3: We also have kind of an accidental Oscars event because

1284
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: we rescheduled our LA show to the night that we

1285
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: didn't realize. What's the same day as.

1286
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 4: The Oscars in the Town of the Oscars.

1287
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 3: In the Town of the Oscars. But here's the thing.

1288
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have done it if we didn't realize. But

1289
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: please come to this show.

1290
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: Please don't come to the show. Here's the thing. The

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: Oscars start at four pm Pacific. Our show starts at seven.

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Speaker 1: Thirty, so it's kind of an after party.

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Speaker 3: Even if you missed the tail end of the Oscars. Look,

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Speaker 3: they'll it'll be on Hulu. You can watch it again.

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Speaker 1: The strong argument for coming to our shop, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can. You can find us in uh the same

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Speaker 1: place you can find us on Instagram. Mainly at this point,

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Speaker 1: there is no ethical social media place to go right now.

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Speaker 1: I found out that Blue Sky is an Israeli company,

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Speaker 1: So you're just like, there's place. Yeah, I'm sorry, guys,

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Speaker 1: there's there's there's no fucking place to go. But that

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Speaker 1: is where you can find us if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: still there, and then otherwise just check your feeds on

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Speaker 1: ethical apps like Spotify. Like, I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: tell you, uh, best of luck to everybody. You can

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Speaker 1: get our You can follow our Patreon. We haven't looked

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Speaker 3: We can't know what this.

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Speaker 1: You cannot switch that we don't know, but you can

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin and myself, as well as a backlog that consists

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. So that's the best way to directly support

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You can also get our merchant teapublic dot com

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