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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the dis and today we're recording

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Speaker 1: here at the twenty twenty three Pendleton Roundup with Pendleton

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Speaker 1: Whiskey in the nineteen ten room.

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Speaker 2: I have to admit I'm not much of.

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Speaker 1: A cowboy, but I love watching all the events and

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Speaker 1: I just like being around good people, which you're surrounded

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Speaker 1: by at these rodeos. Today's guest is a Canadian professional

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Speaker 1: rodeo cowboy who specializes in saddle bronc riding. He's a

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Speaker 1: three time twenty sixteen, nineteen and twenty two Professional Rodeo

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Association World Champion saddle bronc rider. Additionally, he spent

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Speaker 1: some time in the fall hunting a little and everything

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Speaker 1: that Canada has to offer. Whitetail, elk mildeer, moves, coyotes,

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Speaker 1: whatever he has a tag for there on his place.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Zeke, Hey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having me on. I'm really excited

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Speaker 3: for this.

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Speaker 2: How was it going here for you at the Pendleton Rodeo.

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Speaker 3: That's been really good? Yeah? We we we showed up Monday,

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Speaker 3: slacks started. We was in the team roping. Didn't have

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Speaker 3: any luck there. I rode my bronc on Wednesday as

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Speaker 3: eighty six, so we'll be back for the finals on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so when when you say when you

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Speaker 1: come to these rodeos, you are there guys that only

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Speaker 1: of guys that do a little bit of everything like

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Speaker 3: Uh, They're kind of a little bit of both, but

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Speaker 3: mostly anymore rodeo has gotten to where it's kind of

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Speaker 3: events pretty specialized. One guy's kind of kind of throw

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Speaker 3: all their eggs in one basket, you know, But there

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Speaker 3: are all around guys. Obviously, the giveaway an all around

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Speaker 3: world title probably the most coveted title to get, which

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Speaker 3: is Stets and Wright's been when the last few years.

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Speaker 3: But there are lots of lots of time event guys

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Speaker 3: crossover from CAF Open to team rope and uh, stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. We just we entered this one every year,

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Speaker 3: just gives away really cool all around saddle and it's

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Speaker 3: just it's pretty fun to run one down on the grass.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So normally at this time in the podcast we would

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Speaker 1: take listener questions, and if you have listener questions of

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Speaker 1: at phelpsgame Calls dot Com, or hit us up on social.

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Speaker 1: But today I'm gonna take this fifteen minutes or so

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Speaker 1: and just ask Zeke some questions about the rodeo, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of his life and how you get here. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little pivot and then we'll get

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Speaker 1: back to our normal recordings in future episodes. So, how

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Speaker 1: do you become a pro rodeo cowboy? I'm having kind

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Speaker 1: and so I'm really curious for myself. How do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's kind of an unconventional way to make

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Speaker 3: think that's one of the cooler things I've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: and somehow get involved. For me personally, on both sides

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Speaker 3: I grew up on a ranch in Big Valley, Alberta.

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Speaker 3: It's all all I can ever remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so does that start like at a very young age,

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Speaker 1: like when what's the progressions? Like you know, at our

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Speaker 1: Like how how you finally get on a bronc and

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Speaker 1: So I was completely you know, hopefully everybody knows it

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Speaker 1: So uh as far as a crossover, you know, I

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Lots of lots of our neighbors and

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Speaker 3: They're all different. You know, it's fun to put a

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yeah we'll have We'll still have a few

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Speaker 1: So you have a little bit of your fall fall

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kinda usually miss most of the good part

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Speaker 2: Something win's that season run.

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Speaker 3: So that's I can I can archery hunt him, and

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Speaker 1: One nice nice So where you're at in Canada is it?

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Speaker 1: Are you in mountainous ground? Are you hunt them up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So where I'm at, I'm actually kinda kind of

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Speaker 1: So, uh, white tail as well. And then you know

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so what's your what's your go to tactic

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Speaker 2: Are you patterning on them? Or like what's your what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you play white tails during the rut?

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Speaker 1: So I was, yeah, and I honestly, I'm not telling

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Speaker 3: I love you know, I know a guy, I'll have

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Speaker 1: And I might, uh this might lend to me not

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Speaker 3: I mean, they get pretty big. So my uncle last

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Speaker 3: Pretty good. The one that me and my brother killed

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Speaker 2: So I have to ask, maybe you don't want to

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Speaker 3: Pretty good everywhere in Canada. Like, it's not really bad.

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Speaker 1: Is there just not as much competition? And maybe you

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Speaker 3: a vast country and and lots of animals.

437
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might not want people to know this if

438
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,239
Speaker 1: the if the answer is what you're going to tell

439
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 1: me it is. But how do how would a guy

440
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 1: like me being down here in the States, how do

441
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 1: we hunt?

442
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Canada? You'd mentioned, you know, neighboring property selling hunts is there?

443
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 3: Like yeah, you just you'd have to go through a

444
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 3: licensed guide. Short and yeah, there's over the counter tags

445
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 3: and different things you can buy. Probably not a lot

446
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 3: different than me coming down here, you.

447
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 1: Know, So you can go up there, you can get

448
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,880
Speaker 1: an over the countertag, but you just need to find

449
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: property to hunt.

450
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go. I think there's some sort

451
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 3: of regulation on having to go through a guide and

452
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,440
Speaker 3: you you know, like to have proof that you're up there.

453
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not up there with without reason.

454
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned yesterday.

455
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,159
Speaker 1: We got to talk a little bit yesterday at the

456
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: met Eater booth here at the at the rodeo, Kyle hunting.

457
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 1: It sounds like you maybe do just as much of

458
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 1: that is is big game and you enjoy that.

459
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: What's your go to? There? Are using e calls? Are

460
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 2: you using? Are you? Yeah?

461
00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 3: Hand calls like your calls, fox pro whatever. We uh yeah,

462
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 3: we kind of hunt them, kind of hunt them however

463
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 3: we can. There's Alberta's littered with coyotes. There's coyotes everywhere.

464
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 3: You know, the last whatever few years the fur trade

465
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 3: has been pretty poor. So there, I mean, it seems

466
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: like there's becoming even more of them because you know,

467
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 3: they're not really in demand. And but that's something my

468
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: dad got us poisoned too when we were we were

469
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 3: quite young and uh, you know, took us out, called her,

470
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 3: called us in a coyote, and uh we all got hooked.

471
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: And so it's it's pretty fun winter time, past past time,

472
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 3: you know. Yep.

473
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, did that come out of the farming ranching lifestyle?

474
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 1: Like take did they harass your animals or was it

475
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 1: not that bad or it just kind of keeps them

476
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: offul landscape or was it.

477
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta control them to some extent, you

478
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 3: know it for us it was never that, you know,

479
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: they were hard on livestocker thing. You know, every seems

480
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 3: like every year they get in my wife's chicken coop,

481
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: Greek havoc on the chicken. That's about it, you know,

482
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 3: but just did it, you know, for something to do

483
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, keep the keep them in check,

484
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: keep everything.

485
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: The decline in the fur trade is a big issue

486
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: with depredation everywhere because you know, back in the day

487
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: when I say back in the day maybe just twenty

488
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: or thirty years ago, when when the you know, the

489
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: high prices were high on raccoons, beavers, you know, coyotes.

490
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: You had a lot of guys out there with dogs,

491
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, spending time willing to put gas in their

492
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: gas tank, you know, which like on the wild turkey

493
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: population is huge to to keep those raccoons out. And

494
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 1: you know, all of that and it seems like with

495
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: the fur trade and the fur price is being driven down,

496
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's on the landscape anymore. Keeping the keeping

497
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: the raccoons off of their the coyotes, and it's just

498
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: nobody's willing to spend that kind of money.

499
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: You know. It seems like there's a select few that

500
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: are still out doing it, and.

501
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're kind of doing it at your own expense anymore.

502
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: That not not too many ladies in New York wearing

503
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 3: fur anymore.

504
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 2: So it's just a few.

505
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it, you know, which is kind of a shame

506
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: because there is a place, you know, for it, but

507
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: you know, we just we just hunted for fun, and

508
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: you know, there's there's a lot of them around.

509
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, it seems like anytime you get around

510
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: an agriag environment, there's just it's over ran. Well I

511
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: would consider overran, you know, I don't claim to be

512
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: a biologist, but just more more than than what's needed

513
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: on the land.

514
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: Just opportunities opportunists to hunters.

515
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: Right, so yeah, yeah, there's more on the landscape.

516
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: It's somebody with a feed lot that's got a dead

517
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: pile out back.

518
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: You're good, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, we're gonna switch all

519
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: the way back. We're gonna come back to elk hunting,

520
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: running elk. So you're gonna get back kind of at

521
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: that tail end but what's your what's your approach to

522
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: to running elk? Are you are you running ridges to

523
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: locate them? Are they in the bottom lands or they

524
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: just like and set area because you guys are peer

525
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: puer rockies.

526
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: Where you're at right, No, no roads?

527
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but where we yeah, so where we hunt the

528
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: elk though, like I said, we're in the prairies there.

529
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: So it's that it's pretty tricky wide open Yeah. Uh,

530
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: you got to kind of get you got to get

531
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: up and get in some sort of cover and hopefully

532
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: you get across one and get them coming by you.

533
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: We don't have we don't get a ton of area

534
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 3: to hunt them either, and they move so much, you know,

535
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: back and forth and stuff. But they're tricky to hunt

536
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: around us for sure. But you know with the rifle, yeah,

537
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 3: you have a pretty pretty decent ieat even then it's

538
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 3: still it's not easy.

539
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we talked about it on episode I

540
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: believe it was forty nine with Corey Caulkins who used

541
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: to guide on some private land. You just mentioned, you

542
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: guys have a pretty small area, so where you know

543
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot of what I teach in the mountains here

544
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: where you've got endless public is we put quite a

545
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: bit of pressure on them at times where in the

546
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: situation where you are, or even if you find yourself

547
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: in the public situation where you don't want to move

548
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: these elk out of that area, you guys are probably

549
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: a little more reluctant to put a bunch of pressure

550
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: on them during the archery season because you need them

551
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: to be on the piece of land you can hunt.

552
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: You want them to feel comfortable there. You want them

553
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: to know that you're not existing so that you can

554
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: hunt them day after day and they're not moved on

555
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: to the neighbors or a different piece, right.

556
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then once we get into October,

557
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: you know, you kind you still get you know, there's

558
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: kind of a second phase to the red and stuff,

559
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: or you know, at that kind of at the end,

560
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: you you might catch two or three bulls that are

561
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: kind of hanging out, you know, starting to group back up.

562
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 3: But it is tricky around, Like it's not like you

563
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: can just go hike four miles and get around them

564
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 3: and stuff, you know, because that's your neighbors and your

565
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: neighbors over there hunting.

566
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys might all be buddies until yeah, you

567
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: guys are all buddies. Util it becomes elk season on

568
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: his property and he doesn't want you over there.

569
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, noy, They're all pretty good. Everybody's Uh. Actually, last

570
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: year when we killed that bull, the neighbor was across,

571
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: you know, about a mile away on his stuff and

572
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: he was watching them too. He heard the shots and

573
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: come over and he was all excited. We go, they're

574
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 3: hunting the same thing.

575
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: So one thing that you know, as far as archie

577
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: all coming, you know, when win this kind of king right,

578
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: it controls everything.

579
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: What does the wind like?

580
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: Prairie hunting would seems to be frustrating because in the mountains,

581
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I've got thermals, I've got some prevailing winds. I've got

582
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: stuff that's pretty I can set my watch to it.

583
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: You know, where when you guys are out in the prairie,

584
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: is it is it more sporadic or is it pretty?

585
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: Is it pretty predictable?

586
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: As far as wind, wind, blow is usually pretty good.

587
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: Usually out of the north northwest, Uh a lot. But

588
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: if you if you get down in one of them

589
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: low spots in like a sleut bottom or something, you know,

590
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: usually got two or three hillsides around you, you know,

591
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: you get in there in the wind change direction on

592
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: you all the time, swirls and stuff. So yeah, I

593
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: need to go with somebody like you and and have

594
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: them get one in my lap because I haven't. I

595
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: haven't had a ton of luck yet.

596
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

597
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we might have to have to plan that. Like

598
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: I love hunting the mountains where I can use the

599
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: terrain and the vegetation to like mask my movement. I'm

600
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: I'm a little bigger than you, so it's like I

601
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: need all the advantage I can get me sneaking around.

602
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: I haven't ever got to go to the mountains and

603
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: do any ol kind of out of it. Yeah, that

604
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: would be so.

605
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Well, talk to Garrett and see if we can't get

606
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: something Scheduled's right, So, prairie, is there any covered all?

607
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: Like are there tree rows? Are there? You know fence rows?

608
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Do you have anything? Or is it just wide open?

609
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: And you know there's there's lots of like so like

610
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: little pop like they're a variety of popular tree, but

611
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: they don't get they don't get super tall. They're more

612
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: of a weed. They like the root systems are all connected.

613
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: They grow real fast, take on lots of water, and

614
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: I don't think they live real long. But there's some

615
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: little poplar tree so they get like thirty some feet tall.

616
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of those around. You can get

617
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: in those and the willows and you know, yeah there's

618
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: cover for sure.

619
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: That's where that's where those al. So they'll come out,

620
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. They'll come out feed in

621
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: the prairie and the ag and then they're gonna go

622
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: back in bed.

623
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, so off the river, so we live about

624
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: four miles off the river and the river valley. The

625
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: river breaks are huge, like it's it's a mile to

626
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: the bottom on each side. And uh so the milk

627
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: get down in the river and then they'll come up

628
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: out of the river and then they'll come across to

629
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: anybody's alfalfa or oats and barley whatever. They get up

630
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: there and get a feed. That's when we hunt them,

631
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: and then they usually.

632
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: Drop down the river.

633
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: So when they're up there on that feed, you're just

634
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: trying to get fine little crevices and stuff where you

635
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: can make movement and get close. It just seems like

636
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: a very very very tough way. It's a tough way

637
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: to hunt elk, especially if.

638
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: They're a really tough way. And then you get down

639
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: in there and get all them little hills around you

640
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: and stuff, and you can't hear.

641
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: Where, yeah, or where the eyes are going to be?

642
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't.

643
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what herd sizes do? You guys run up there?

644
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Because it buries where we hunt. You know where I'm from,

645
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: We have roosevelts on the coast. The herd size is

646
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: they used to be until our numbers are so down

647
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: right now? You know, they used to carry herds of

648
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five elk And you know where you're at.

649
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: I can imagine all those eyes on you, you know,

650
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: versus somewhere hunting the mountain. Sometimes it's one bowl to

651
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: two or three cows. Yeah, Like what's the herd size

652
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: is there? And then how many eyes we you have

653
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: to deal with as well?

654
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, like sim elk that my brother was he was

655
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: in the middle of last year when he killed that bull,

656
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Like I would say, there was I took a video.

657
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: There's probably forty forty.

658
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: Some head hitch so they're running pretty big around.

659
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: Forty Yeah, So that really didn't used to be any

660
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: elk around us around Big Valley, say fifteen twenty years.

661
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 3: Like when I was little kid like, there wasn't really

662
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: any elk you know, in the last whatever amount of

663
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: years come back, you know they used to be but

664
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: hadn't been for a long time. Anyways, they're back, and

665
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: I would say, I don't know, like there's a couple

666
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: of different herds of you know, you can see sixty

667
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: seventy elk at a time and there's two or three

668
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: different herds run around.

669
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: So did the do I call them ranchers? Farmers whoever?

670
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Whoever farms all the country there were they are they happy?

671
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: They aulcher?

672
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: There is it?

673
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Are they becoming kind of a pain with what the

674
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: population growing like it is for you.

675
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: Guys, Yeah, for us, they're not. They don't you know

676
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: really really cause too much havoc. They they're pretty good.

677
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: I think some of the neighbors they might get in

678
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: some of their silage pits and stuff, eat on little

679
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: feed and stuff. But I don't I haven't really heard.

680
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: It's not like you get down there on like Shardon,

681
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: Wyoming or somewhere the Alker half team, you know, and

682
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: they get in people's stack yards and white out.

683
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: White yeah stuff. You know, you see you guys what

684
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: they reintroduction? I say, reintroduction. There may have been somewhere around,

685
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: but you know, like with them showing back up in

686
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: bigger numbers, it hasn't been like a.

687
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say the wolves moved them off the foothills

688
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: of the mountains and they're coming and stuff.

689
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: They're they're finding better country where the wolves don't necessarily

690
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: want to be.

691
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: So do you guys have wolves where you're at or

692
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: not yet?

693
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: D No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't see wolves around us.

694
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: No, gotcha.

695
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: The odd bear you see the lion and stuff on

696
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: the river stuff.

697
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask about bears. Do you guys have

698
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: much bear.

699
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Than you'll see, like the odd barrel fall that river up,

700
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: you know, traveling whatever, but never really sticking around.

701
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

702
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Moose is that? I'm assuming that's a drawer? Can you

703
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: guys hunt those every year? How does your your moose?

704
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: Hunting?

705
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: Moose is a draw tag? I think you're an eight

706
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: on that, so, yeah, you put in for eight or

707
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: nine years before then you get a moose tag. But yeah,

708
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: lots of moose around, some pretty good moose. Me and

709
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: my brother killed a pretty good bull twenty nineteen. I

710
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: think you know, for a Prairie moose. He's it's like

711
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: fifty nice.

712
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Nice. So so you got they and I don't.

713
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna also expose since I've never moose hunted.

714
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: You've got the Yukon way up north. You know you're

715
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: big Alaskan Yukon moose. And then you know, I know,

716
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: we got our shiris here in like Washington that you

717
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: guys have like what they consider Canadian or you just

718
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: you just mentioned them being Perie, you're a shiris.

719
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: As well, I'm pretty sure.

720
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So fifty two inch bowls, I mean really good

721
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: bowl for.

722
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like yeah, it's not huge by no means,

723
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: but for for around us. Says pretty decent moves.

724
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, cool on those?

725
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: Are you guys hunting during the road, Are you guys

726
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: spot in stocking those or on on that sort of.

727
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually a rifle tag, so you're just you're

728
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: just spot in stock and the November hunting them, gotcha?

729
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Are those on your property or when you draw a

730
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: moose tag, do you start to get permission from some

731
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: of the neighboring properties.

732
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they come around so so rarely, like you

733
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: pretty well you ask your neighbors and whatever neighbor that

734
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: years has the tag, you know, kind of you kind

735
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: of have permission.

736
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: It's a community permission where because you know, not everybody's

737
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: gonna have one.

738
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: You know who's got the tag and yeah, you got full,

739
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: full permission to shoot wherever you want.

740
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: So if you could only what's your favorite? We've talked

741
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: about everything you get to DOUN in Canada. It sounds

742
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: like we.

743
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: Have to say. I would say could probably be my favorite,

744
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I like it. I like it all.

745
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: It's all pretty fun.

746
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love ELK just for the interaction, you know,

747
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: just the yeah, the right being able to call these

748
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, have a seventy eight hundred pounds screaming animal

749
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: coming in and you know, pissed off at users.

750
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: So vocal, and yeah, it's yeah, it's awesome.

751
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a I'm chomping at the bit. You know,

752
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: we're here.

753
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: It is September fifteenth, and uh, you know we're here

754
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: at the Pendleton Rodeo and yeah, the bowls in these

755
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: hills about three minutes behind us are just cranking. And

756
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I love the rodeo, but there's a piece

757
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: of me that really wants to be in the mountains

758
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: right now. So I'm trying to balance this this issue

759
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm going through right now. So it sounds like, as

760
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: we talked about, you get to hunt a little bit

761
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: of everything in Canada, have a lot of fun doing it.

762
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: There's a there's a there's definitely a correlation between the cowboys,

763
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: the rodeo fans, the ranch lifestyle and hunting on which

764
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: I really meyer and kind of I like that. Like

765
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I say, it's it's the rodeo seems to be full

766
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: of good people. Everybody meet here, somebody'd give you the

767
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: shirt off the back, you know, good, good, wholesome quality people.

768
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Salted your type of people. So I'm gonna roll back.

769
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna kind of close with back to the rodeo,

770
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: cowboy and stuff. So Garrett along here with me. Eater

771
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: was telling me that his his uncle back in the

772
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: day kind of hired you when you were younger to

773
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: do some trick riding. Can you tell us a little

774
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: bit about that and what that that is?

775
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. So when I was about nine, we started, uh,

776
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: me and my two brothers started this uh little trick

777
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: riding kind of Western show type act and we'd go

778
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: around to the rodeos and do it. There's a little

779
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: trick riding, a little trick roping as you spin the

780
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: rope and do tricks with it, whip cracking, and then

781
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: roman riding, which is where you stand on the back

782
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: of the two horses and you go around we go

783
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: over a jump or whatever. Anyway, so we had a

784
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 3: we had a little, uh little show, and we went

785
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: went around all over North America, you know, performing at rodeos,

786
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: and yeah, Garrett's uncle hired us. We did the wolf

787
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: Point Rodeo, did some really really cool things. We got

788
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: to perform for the Queen of England and for the

789
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 3: Princess Kate and the Prince and I met a lot

790
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: of cool people and uh yeah, I got to got

791
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: to do pretty cool things as a twelve year old boy.

792
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds pretty cool. And so when did the

793
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: when does trick writing like give give way to.

794
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: The real real rodeo stuff?

795
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Is there was there a point like, all right, I'm

796
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: done doing this trick, right, I need to get on

797
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: a bron.

798
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty cool when

799
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: we were little, and then as we get we did

800
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: it from the time I was nine till about fourteen,

801
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: I think, or thirteen somewhere in there. But yeah, so

802
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: we did it for three or four years there and

803
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: it was really good. But yeah, once we started getting

804
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: a little older and and going on to some different things,

805
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: we kind of phased out.

806
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So one thing, my wife thinks, I'm on the

808
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: road a lot, but I have to imagine listening to

809
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: your schedule, you're on the road a whole lot. How

810
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: many days a year would you say you're traveling two rodeos,

811
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: are doing you know at rodeos, and then between.

812
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, between I would it's it's somewhere between two hundred

813
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: and between two hundred and thirty to two hundred and

814
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: fifty days a year, you're probably gone.

815
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: So you're home one hundred and.

816
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: I spend a lot more time with my family than

817
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people. Have a place in Texas that

818
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: we go and spend the winter at, and they come

819
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: with me when we're at the winter rodeos. But if

820
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't for that, we'd get about sixty days.

821
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the balance.

822
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: I know your kids are here with you at this one,

823
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: and Garrett, it really commended you on, like, you know,

824
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: taking your kids to a lot of these things and

825
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: having them kind of live the lifestyle. So are your

826
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: kids traveling with you on most of these are now

827
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: that school like is are they school age?

828
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? They don't go a lot my family, they catch

829
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: quite a few in Canada. Like I said, they go

830
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: to all the winter rodeos for the winter. And then yeah,

831
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: I'll take the kids one or time, one or two

832
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: times a year, just me and the you know, one

833
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: of the kids, and they'll go with me for a

834
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: week or so. But for the most part they're at

835
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: home and we're out here doing this. But get to

836
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: bring them with us for this week to Pendleton and

837
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: you know, it's pretty fun ten days to bring the

838
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: family and hang out and do this with you guys.

839
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to let my wife know when I

840
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: when I get back and talk to her that you're

841
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: gone for two hundred and fifty days a year.

842
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: See if you see, I don't know if it will

843
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: help it all.

844
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: I will make you a week long I'll hunt look

845
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: a lot.

846
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

848
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: So we talked about injuries earlier. One of the questions

849
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: I asked, so, how long into the future do you

850
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: foresee yourself doing this. Do you have like a set date?

851
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: Is it just until your body holds up or what

852
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: are you thinking?

853
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

854
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't hardly have any set date.

855
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: I think I think my body will probably will always

856
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: be there. I don't think the broncer, I don't go away.

857
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: It'll probably be a matter of just you know, getting

858
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: over the travel and not wanting to be gone for

859
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: my family and want to be home and do that

860
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: thing a little more.

861
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there will there be any competitive decision? Like

862
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: if you want to be are you that guy that

863
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: wants to be able to compete or you're like it

864
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: was that going to aid in the decision? If you're

865
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: not at the top of the top of your game

866
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: like you are right now, is it gonna Yeah?

867
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: I want to. I want to go out on top

868
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: for sure. I don't want to. I don't want to

869
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: fizzle out and go out. You know somebody that they

870
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: didn't remember used to be good, you know.

871
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here at me Eater, we encourage everyone go

872
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: follow Zeke's journey to the twenty twenty three NFR where

873
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: you sitting at currently on on points for this.

874
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: Year and like right there, third second or flirting second and.

875
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: Second and third.

876
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: So if you go in second and third, there's still

877
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: a way you can win. Does it start fresh the guys.

878
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody if you make it, if you show up there,

879
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: you have a chance to win them. Last year, I

880
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: come from one hundred and sixteen thousand back and so.

881
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: It's basically the aggregate of everything you want up till

882
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: September and then what you add on at the NFR.

883
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so ten rounds, thirty thousand round the average

884
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: paced seventy two thousand. I think the average is the

885
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 3: highest score on ten head or nine head or whatever

886
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: whoever whoever has that. And yeah, so there's some money

887
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: to be one out there and we're uh, we're called

888
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: so yepful we get out there and yeah, get it going.

889
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So follow Zeke twenty twenty three NFR. If you

890
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: want to root for someone who's a hunter, open the

891
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: door for your mom. Just be a great salty the

892
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: earth guy. Uh, Zeke's Zeke's you got to root for Zeke.

893
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Tell people how they can find out more about you.

894
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: Follow you.

895
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can catch me on Instagram. I think it's official.

896
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: Zeke Thurston. I've got a Facebook page. I don't. I

897
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: don't uh, I don't run it a lot. But yeah,

898
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: we're on social media. Check us out, look us up,

899
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: give us a follow.

900
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we wish you luck here on Saturday. I'm

901
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: going to get terminology all wrong. You're in the short

902
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: or how does the short round? The short round, shot

903
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: round or finals or whatever you want. So that was

904
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty of you have roaded throughout

905
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: the week and then they take the top to twelve guys,

906
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: twelve scores, and then you all get thro right again Saturday.

907
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good luck on that Saturday. Wish you the

908
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: best of luck.

909
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it having you on the show today and

910
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: we'll be here rooting for you.

911
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: Hey, awesome, Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it,

912
00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: and this is a lot of fun, and thank you.

913
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special addition to cutting the distance.

914
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: We're just gonna do a quick recap here. Just got

915
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: done here in Oregon hunting one of the Big three,

916
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I guess, but it wasn't as easy as everybody liked

917
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: liked to make it out as as a pretty tough hunt.

918
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm joined here with Brian Sanders Oregon backcountry outfitters and

919
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: David Frame, who's my camera guy in this hunt. We're

920
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of go through the recap, try to

921
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: figure out.

922
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: The you know, the the.

923
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Positives of this hunt and then a lot of the

924
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: negatives and some of the difficulties and struggles we had

925
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: on this hunt. Welcome to the show, guys, Hi Phelps.

926
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: Thanks Jason, so Brian you you guide in this unit

927
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: as well as the Winnaha Walla Walla kind of all

928
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: across the eastern Oregon.

929
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: I think it.

930
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a good hunt, it's got good

931
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: balls in it, but it's not necessarily what it's made

932
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: out to be. It's it's a lot more difficult than

933
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: than just getting a tag in the Big Three thinking

934
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: you're going to find a big bull behind every corner.

935
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Kind Of what's your opinion on this unit and kind

936
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: of what people can expect if they are to draw

937
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: this tag.

938
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 6: I'm organ back country outfitting by the way.

939
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Folk, Oh, but outfitters and outfitting it's close kind.

940
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 6: Of similar in Jason's world. I think that the reputation

941
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 6: is a little bit false on how great the unit is,

942
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 6: how many quality bulls there are, how much privacy you're

943
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 6: going to have in the woods that other hunters all

944
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 6: the things. I personally think Mount Emily is probably one

945
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 6: of the worst because of the access. You can almost

946
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 6: access everywhere in Mount Emily. You can go to the

947
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 6: same point that every other hunter can. You can bogle

948
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 6: an archery season and get an answer below you, behind you,

949
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 6: beside you, what have you. I just think that it's

950
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 6: a little bit I don't know, it's pretty tough, and

951
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 6: the quality of bulls is a little bit tough too.

952
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 6: You know, we think of Oregon's Big Three and everybody's

953
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 6: thinking three eighty plus bulls. Then the fact is you're

954
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 6: looking at three twenty bulls NonStop. You know, they just

955
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 6: are cookie cutter bulls. Every time you hear a Bugley

956
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 6: comes in, he's three fifteen, three twenty. I mean, you

957
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 6: get the three forties on occasion, but it just starts

958
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 6: getting fewer and fewer. There's some amazing bulls killed in

959
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: each of the units in the Big Three, but far

960
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 6: less every year with the impact the walls are now having.

961
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 6: It's just it's tough, yep.

962
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things we noticed right

963
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: off the bat on this hunt is you're kind of

964
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: balancing quantity of bulls in some areas in this unit,

965
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of the bulls want to

966
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: end up in the same spot, or you go deep

967
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: to some of these spots that might have fewer elk

968
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: less people, but then you're you're getting maybe one play

969
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: a day because you're not on as many elk and

970
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: in those spots that have the high quantity typically easier

971
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: to get to, it seems like. And then there are

972
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: guys everywhere some of the stuff that you know we

973
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: hunted back in twenty nineteen. There are trucks and people everywhere.

974
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: There's no way, and there's no way as you mentioned

975
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: this Zenit there's roads everywhere at least where I could

976
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: hunt on this tag. There are some conditions on the

977
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: tag that I had Specifically, you just cannot get away

978
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: from the people. And it was very apparent right off

979
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: the bat. These elker call shy. You could do everything right,

980
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: and they just they're not going to come in. They've

981
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: been called to, they've been called to and been winded,

982
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: they've been called to and been seen, and you're kind

983
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: of fighting all of this as the hunt goes on.

984
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I think that most of the real

985
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 6: big cow groups are in those areas that are easy

986
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 6: to access because the cows are kind of using that

987
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 6: easier terrain, you know, the deep canyons, the kind of

988
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 6: pockets that hold eight or ten cows. There's one bowl

989
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 6: to bulls with them instead of there being eight or

990
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 6: ten bulls, that's working seventy cows. So that's that's the

991
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 6: tough end of that. And like you said, they are

992
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 6: call shy. I mean, I think that there might be

993
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 6: a few factors in that. I think that the wolves

994
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 6: have changed their habits a little bit over the last

995
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 6: few years, because you'll be on bulls that are just

996
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 6: screaming one night, the wolves come through that night the

997
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 6: next day for two three days in a row, you

998
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: don't hear a peep. I mean, they're still communicating obviously

999
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 6: body language, but they just kind of they kind of

1000
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: get paranoid for a few days. But I agree the hunters,

1001
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 6: you know, it takes so long to get this tag.

1002
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 6: I think that you get a few hunters that are

1003
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 6: less experienced than other hunters that go over the counter

1004
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 6: every year, year after year. They're avid bow hunters, they

1005
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 6: don't maybe have the call experience that yourself does, and

1006
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 6: they do. They sound a little bit off as far

1007
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: as elk sounds go, and they get call shy, they

1008
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 6: get when did they get seen? Like you said, So

1009
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 6: it makes it tough.

1010
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I had to refer to Dave multiple

1011
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: times on this hunt, like a guy that's supposed to

1012
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: have all these answers right when it comes to calling elk.

1013
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: I would look at Dave like, do you think we

1014
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: should caw call to this one or should we beegal

1015
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: to it? Because we were just getting beat so many times.

1016
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: It's like when you thought, in a normal situation that

1017
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: we should get in close and beegle because it's a

1018
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: herd bull, he would take his cows. And then it's like,

1019
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: all right, next time we're going to go on in

1020
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: this herd bowl, we're going to caw call. That didn't

1021
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: seem to work, and so it had me even questioning

1022
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: these bulls were you know, so call shy, Like how

1023
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: do you approach these? You know, I asked you on

1024
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: the phone because you had some success earlier in the

1025
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: week calling in quite a few bulls, and and I'm like, Brian,

1026
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: what are you.

1027
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Doing, you know to get these in?

1028
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: We were just kind of talking back and forth, and

1029
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: you know you were playing the game the right way,

1030
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, whether if you know, you started with a

1031
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: cal call and they answered, But it would seemed to

1032
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: be few and far between where you'd actually get the

1033
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: bulls to play the right game. Me and Dave had

1034
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: a couple good hunts, more of the remote stuff where

1035
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: people hadn't mess with these elk, but you were only

1036
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: dealing with one bowl, maybe one herd bul no satellites,

1037
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: or the one herd bowl that we did get on

1038
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: had a few satellites, and it.

1039
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Just made it tough.

1040
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: You're either in not very many elk or you were in,

1041
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of elk with a bunch of people,

1042
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: and so you're you're trying to weigh that that decision

1043
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: on being in the middle of elk or be by yourself.

1044
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: And like Dave can Dave is.

1045
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: I love Dave as a camera guy because he's a

1046
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: very I mentioned in the last podcast, he's a pretty

1047
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: smart elk hunter. He gets it. He's a great guy

1048
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: to bounce ideas off of. But there were just times where,

1049
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, there were days where we dropped fifteen hundred

1050
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: feet into a canyon or a thousand feet and like

1051
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: we were going for broke, and then there are other

1052
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: times where we just didn't know what to do at times,

1053
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: and and we kind of had to change our mentality

1054
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: here the last couple of days when we finally got

1055
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: it done. But what do you think, Dave? What was

1056
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: your takeaway from this hunt? As far you know, of

1057
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: course you're behind the camera a lot, but you get

1058
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: to make the same decisions and be in the same

1059
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: same scenario as I am. What's your opinion of the

1060
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: Big Three? You grew up in the Blues, but on

1061
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: the Washington side it's a special place to you. But

1062
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the OLK hunting, I don't want to say it's overrated,

1063
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: it's it's a great spot to hunt elk, especially in comparison.

1064
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: So I'm not sounding ungrateful, but it's just maybe not

1065
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: what it's it's made out to be.

1066
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: At times it can be good, but.

1067
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, these organ organ units are a little different in

1068
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: the Washington side, just a lot a lot more hunters.

1069
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: You're definitely hunting pressure dell, super call shy and then

1070
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 4: throwing inconsistent wins in there, and and it's pretty hard hunt. Yeah,

1071
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: towards the end there we were we were pretty much

1072
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: just going silent and trying to get as close as

1073
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: we could, almost sudding them like Mealy's.

1074
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we definitely had to change change our

1075
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: tactics there a little bit.

1076
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: As as the hunt went on. We you know, it's like, dang,

1077
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, my.

1078
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: Call sound good, like they would locate, but when you

1079
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: would get in tight, I didn't know what the right

1080
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: answer was. And and so ultimately we went to a

1081
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: little bit of spot in stock with maybe a few

1082
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: cow calls and in certain situations and it it just uh,

1083
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: it made it rough. And and the other downside is

1084
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: in my numbers might be a little bit iffy. But

1085
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: there's about fifty five tags given in Emily, Is that right, Brian?

1086
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 6: I think the fifty fifty five.

1087
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's so fifty five and that's big bull tags.

1088
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: But then they give out three hundred spike tags.

1089
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, they give out a bunch of spike tags. So

1090
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 6: that doesn't help things.

1091
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: And we're we're in these spike guys.

1092
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: You hunt spike bulls, you find spike bulls just like

1093
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: you do big bulls. Right, you're locating the herd bulls

1094
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: the satellites and you're moving on these herds, trying to

1095
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: call these spikes way. So, in my opinion, you've really

1096
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: got three hundred and fifty five guys out in the

1097
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: woods plus or minus if you you know state tag holders,

1098
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: you know guys with tags like mine. You've got three

1099
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in a unit. That's it is

1100
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: a big, vast unit. But a lot of these guys

1101
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: are concentrated, and you've got a lot of guys going

1102
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: after you know, a barely.

1103
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Small amount of bulls.

1104
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: When it when it all boils down to it, it

1105
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: just makes that pressure really real tough.

1106
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree in the one all haul wall, while

1107
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 6: I think is a little bit better, but yeah, it's

1108
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 6: it's pretty tough. You get all them guys attacking the

1109
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 6: same herds and they get call shy fast.

1110
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna back up a little bit

1111
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: because I think the audience needs to like dial into

1112
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: what you call big bulls. So you you know, as

1113
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: an outfitter, you're trying to kill the absolute best bowl

1114
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: for your clients, right, and you're a guy that's been

1115
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: lucky enough to kill a lot of big bulls. So

1116
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to discredit the unit for not having

1117
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: what most people would consider like balls of a lifetime,

1118
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, at that three twenty three forty, but you're

1119
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: talking about trying to find those bulls that are at

1120
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: a very uprand. You're you're looking for three fifty plus

1121
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and you're even trying to find a few of those

1122
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: three eighty to four hundred type bulls in some of

1123
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: these units. So so break that down kind of We've

1124
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: had this conversation a lot because my definition of a

1125
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: giant is way different than yours. A guy that gets

1126
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: to live here see a bunch of these bulls. So

1127
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: explain that a little bit, Like the percentage is kind

1128
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: of what you can expect to see if you come

1129
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: to Emily, Like you're probably not gonna lay eyes on

1130
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: a four hundred, Like, explain that hierarchy, you know, the

1131
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: amount of bulls you're going to see, what you can

1132
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: expect to see if you're just a Joe blow that

1133
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: doesn't do a whole lot of scouting, maybe a couple

1134
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: of week weekends and just take it on in September.

1135
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all. I guess I kind of know what

1136
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 6: you're asking here, But in my opinion, the very first

1137
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 6: thing I tell my hunters is you have to come

1138
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 6: with realistic expectations, so your abilities have to align with

1139
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 6: your expectations. Number one. Number two, you're exactly right when

1140
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 6: I say big bulls. You know, in my head just

1141
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: because we work hard and we're a little bit spoiled

1142
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 6: at being able to be out in the woods all

1143
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 6: the time. So we are looking for that three p

1144
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 6: fifty three sixty and even a lot bigger like you

1145
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 6: say for some state wide auction tags things like that.

1146
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 6: But when you come to this unit, you're going to

1147
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 6: see that three twenty bull and as Jason said, that

1148
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 6: is a bowl of a lifetime. I mean that is

1149
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 6: realistic expectations for all these big three units. I always

1150
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 6: tell my hunters, you know, this is our this is

1151
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 6: our goal, but this is realistic expectations. You come to

1152
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 6: this unit and three twenty three thirty bulls are the

1153
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 6: big bulls. You know, they're they're genetics, especially on the

1154
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 6: mount inly side or some of it, you're not gonna

1155
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 6: get different genetics that get a lot of inches. So

1156
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 6: you need to come looking for mature bowl that you're

1157
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 6: happy with. Don't come looking for inches, you know, don't

1158
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 6: get stuck on inches because they have to have a

1159
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: bunch of extra stuff, and some of these units don't

1160
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: have it. The genetics just have straight sixes, straight seven

1161
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 6: whatever I mean, Is that kind of what you're asking?

1162
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1163
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just what if a hundred puts in draws Emily,

1164
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, you see a lot of these. You know,

1165
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: everybody's coming over here. It seems like everybody, if you

1166
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: look at the internet, comes over here and kills a

1167
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: three sixty bowl, right, It's what it seems like, or

1168
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: what they make it seem to believe. But being in

1169
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the unit twice three times now, I've hunted with you

1170
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: twice this year, I didn't hunt with you. But the

1171
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: reality is, you guys are working your tails off to

1172
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: find a few of these three fifty three sixty bulls,

1173
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: and the normal guy probably should come over here expecting

1174
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: more realistically, And I think a lot of guys, you know,

1175
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: the ones we've talked to here this week, they're happy

1176
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: with those three twenty bulls. But I think where a

1177
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: guy may go wrong or a gal whoever's here, is

1178
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, passing on what they would see as a

1179
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: three twenty three three because you might not get another

1180
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: chance at something better is the reality, Like a three

1181
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: twenty bowl is probably what most people are going to

1182
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: have a chance at, you know, those those bigger, mature

1183
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: satellite bulls.

1184
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree one hundred percent if you if

1185
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: you got a three twenty bowl and you have this tag,

1186
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 6: it's a shooter. I mean nine out of ten times,

1187
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: unless you've done your scouting or or you have a

1188
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 6: target bull in mind, which, as you said, we work

1189
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 6: our tails off, so we have some target bulls in mind,

1190
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 6: and we're targeting those bulls specifically, and we're not going

1191
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 6: to shoot until we kill one of them unless we're

1192
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 6: running out of time or just capabilities. So you come

1193
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 6: to the big three, I would say any of the

1194
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 6: Big three a three twenty bulls a trophy bull. And

1195
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 6: I mean it wasn't very many years ago, a three

1196
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 6: hundred inch bull wasn't even heard of really, So I think,

1197
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 6: just you right on, expectations need to be more realistic.

1198
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: It's just a little bit blown out, and I think

1199
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 6: that a lot of people even sell it as that,

1200
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 6: but it's it's definitely a three three forty and under unit.

1201
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with a few exceptions that the hood above

1202
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: that mark and it's got the ability to grow in

1203
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: but it takes a lot of age, it takes some

1204
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: special genetics. All those things have to kind of add

1205
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: up to get that bowl there. And then they're like,

1206
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: you say, they probably make up what one or two

1207
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: percent of the bowls in the entire unit. I would say, yeah,

1208
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump over and talk to Dave here a

1209
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: little bit about kind of what we went through on

1210
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: this hunt.

1211
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: A lot of ups and downs.

1212
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: We've we had good weather to start with, but we

1213
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: it seemed like we were in an area some of

1214
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: the spots we wanted to hunt right off the bat

1215
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: very very over pressured. We thought we were in there

1216
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: deep ran into too get you know, two firefighters from

1217
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: from Eugene area. It's like, dang it, you know, we

1218
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: thought we had all of that, and then you know,

1219
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: later in the hunt we went more more isolated, way

1220
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: out into some deep stuff, long drives just getting away

1221
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: where we could hunt in the unit and a lot

1222
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: less bulls. We you know that one day, I think

1223
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: we did what fourteen fifteen miles and we got on

1224
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: what two bowls that entire day. Yep, So a lot

1225
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: of bootleather to find just a few bulls, and it's

1226
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: new country. We hadn't been in there, we didn't really

1227
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: know how to win. Laid in, and then progressing through

1228
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: the hunt, we hit it weird where it was nice

1229
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: one day, rain the next day, nice the other. So

1230
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: we had all these different systems moving in and I'm

1231
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: this is all joking, but at one point I about

1232
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: threw my bow down the mountain because we would literally

1233
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: try to walk three hundred and sixty degrees around the

1234
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: bowl and you could or where you were trying to

1235
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: get to you maybe hurt a bowl beagle or whatever

1236
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: you were trying to get to a spot, and you

1237
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: could not keep the wind right. I know one time,

1238
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, because you can fill the wind in your

1239
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: face as you walk. You know, we've all did that before.

1240
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: But I would puff my wind and be like, all right,

1241
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: we're good. I'd give Dave a thumbs up, and then

1242
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: he would ten minutes or ten seconds later, he would

1243
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: look at me and then he'd puff his wind and

1244
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: it was hitting us in the back, you know. And

1245
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: we fought that all week long or ten days long.

1246
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: And how frustrating was that, you know for us, because

1247
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I know you could probably sense of frustration with me,

1248
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: you were getting frustrated because you know, as a camera guy,

1249
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: you have to take all the same steps I do.

1250
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: And so have you ever played with fickle winds to

1251
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: that extent that we did.

1252
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 4: No, I've never seen wins that inconsistent before. And it

1253
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: was pretty frustrating as a cameraman. Like bulls and elk

1254
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: all around us, but all week you're just they're just

1255
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: out of arms reach as far as like getting footage

1256
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: of them and stuff. Yeah, filming, I'm here and there

1257
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 4: at half mile away with long lens, but yeah, those

1258
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: callings are pretty sweet to get on film, and it's

1259
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: just hard to get those.

1260
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit responsible because Dave. Dave has

1261
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: talked about this, you know, behind the scenes with me.

1262
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I love it because I've always got a tag,

1263
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: But he doesn't necessarily have a tag to kill the animal.

1264
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: He's got to take the photo it, you know. And

1265
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I felt bad because we would get on bulls, we

1266
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: could work them, but it seemed like right at the

1267
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: last second, they would bump or we would get the

1268
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: wind wrong, and Dave, we just weren't able to capture footage.

1269
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: No, no fault to you.

1270
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: It was a rough hunt, and I feel responsible for that,

1271
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: and then I feel even more responsible at times where

1272
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: we're climbing, you know, thousand feet down to go chase

1273
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: a bugle. Maybe a bad decision I made blows them out,

1274
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: and then we're hiking back out and you're you're there

1275
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: with me, You're kind of getting pulled along. But it's

1276
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: all part of the game. And we were just we

1277
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: were really really struggling with that wind. I think we

1278
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: were on elk every morning, every evening. We were playing

1279
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: it right, just could not seem to get everything to work.

1280
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were able to locate elk every day, but

1281
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 4: just getting them to play with us played the game

1282
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: was a struggle.

1283
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing we another takeaway which a lot

1284
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: of people need to recognize, is elk aren't necessarily dumb.

1285
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Where we were finding the majority of the elk, they

1286
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: seem to be in these pockets where that wind was

1287
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: three sixty or there was no way to approach any

1288
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: direction you went. You weren't going to get in on

1289
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: them because the wind was eventually going to get to them.

1290
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: It was kind of it was kind of interesting, you know,

1291
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: something we've always known. They always seem to bed in

1292
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: areas where they can't you know, where you can't sneak

1293
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: in on them. But a lot of these areas seem

1294
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: to be really really you know, in flats or pockets

1295
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: or bowls where the wind would just swirl and hit them.

1296
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: And then yesterday.

1297
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: A lot of these hunts come down to a series

1298
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: of decisions, right, are you gonna take the day off?

1299
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: Are you gonna take it easy? Are you gonna go

1300
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: hard every day after day? And one thing we should

1301
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: talk about is just like the physical demand that that

1302
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: this unit will put on you. There are some easy

1303
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: spots to hunt, but if you're going to get into

1304
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: some of the steep, breaky country, it's gonna wear you down.

1305
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: And you need to be able to come to this

1306
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: unit and do it day after day. And I don't

1307
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, you're in great shape. We were able to

1308
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: make it, but uh, you know, there were some there

1309
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: was a lot of effort put in for some days

1310
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: it just didn't really pan out or materialize anything.

1311
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1312
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of a lot of vertical in this

1313
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: country and uh yeah, just a lot of work, a

1314
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: lot of miles, yeah yeah.

1315
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: And then going back to that decision, making all these

1316
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: little decisions yesterday, you can kind of I don't know

1317
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: if it was a sense of urgency. We had what

1318
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: four day five days left, but yesterday, if you look

1319
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: on you know, you've got a smart watch, I've got

1320
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: an iPhone, you start to look at what we did yesterday.

1321
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: We were to the point where we weren't we weren't

1322
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: We needed to like hit that turbo mode, right, We

1323
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: needed to just go. We needed to give more than

1324
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: we had been. And so we started biggling off into

1325
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: this deep country and we were chasing every bugle like, oh,

1326
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: that one's too hard to get to. We're not gonna

1327
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: go chase that. So we went after every single bowl

1328
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: we heard yesterday and and just kind of gave it

1329
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: our all. You were even and this is where having

1330
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily a hunting partner. You were more of

1331
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: my camera guy, but we were hunting together.

1332
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1333
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would pick you like hey, I think we

1334
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: should do this, and then you were like, hey, Phelps,

1335
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: we should definitely go bigle off here. And it was

1336
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: a lot of that back and forth kind of keeping

1337
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: each other positive and like hey, we need to go

1338
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: try this. That really kind of added to our success.

1339
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, it was fun getting to help

1340
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: out on the hunt in this hunt and uh yeah.

1341
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and so I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of

1342
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: wrap us up with how we ultimately killed this bowl.

1343
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember a bowl that I've never called in

1344
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: with archery equipment. And as we were grinding last night,

1345
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: it was just before six o'clock. We had literally an

1346
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: hour day. Like we had stopped down one little side road,

1347
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're driving down the road looking on X.

1348
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: Dave's like, well, this kind of gets us above that

1349
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: one area we had been hunting or we had checked

1350
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: out the first day and never been back to. We

1351
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: we you know, hurry out there. We checked for bugles

1352
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: and we get two different bowls biglan and we drop pins.

1353
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: We're like, well, the wind's bad, we're above them. Let's

1354
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: let's boogy around. And we were kind of calculating like

1355
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: all right, we can get back the truck in five minutes,

1356
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: we can get down there in ten and it's gonna

1357
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: be tight, like real close to dark.

1358
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: And so we made it. We and then.

1359
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: We're able to kind of fly up the ridge, especially

1360
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: for my pace, you know, get there fairly quickly, got parked.

1361
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: Made it all the way to the bowl.

1362
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: And the nice thing was this bull was beegling on

1363
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: his own occasionally, not very you know, feverishly, wasn't baglan

1364
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: all the time, but he would give us just enough.

1365
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: We knew about where it was on this On this instance,

1366
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: I elected to not make any calls. We were just

1367
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: we had a lot of wind. The wind was blown down.

1368
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: It was let us be pretty quiet, go under. But

1369
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: we were able to follow this bugle. And we get

1370
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: up to this meadow, beautiful meadow, and I spot a

1371
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: cow maybe one hundred and twenty yards away, yeah, and

1372
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: we're kind of like, all right, we got to slow down,

1373
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: we got to kind of get our heads, you know,

1374
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: our bodies out of the way so she can't see us.

1375
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: And about that time we spotted some horn movement. This

1376
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: bull was betted down and thankfully he was on our

1377
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: side of the meadow, not the far, not the edge.

1378
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: He was right in line with that cow. At that time,

1379
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: it was about what's seventy yards away.

1380
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, I think so.

1381
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Fortunately had a pine tree and me and Dave do

1382
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: some real quiet talking and hand motions. I'm like, let's

1383
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: get behind me. We'll walk in a single file line,

1384
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: and thank god, this tree was big. I'm a fairly

1385
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: big guy, and I was able to just keep that

1386
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: bull's head behind a pine tree. We had a couple

1387
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: of loud ass sticks we had to, you know, and

1388
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: trees and stuff to get over. We were able to

1389
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: see the bull's head, and a lot of times when

1390
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: a bull's betted, you can't really tell real easily if

1391
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: he's looking at you or away from you. You're trying

1392
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on with which direction he's facing.

1393
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: And we kind of get in a straight line and

1394
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: we just start moving towards him. And the nice thing

1395
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: was is you could see his horns out one side

1396
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: of the tree as you were walking, so you could

1397
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: tell if he was picking up on your sound, your noise.

1398
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: We get through the sketchy section of that tree and

1399
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: he's still. Everything's good. I'm ranging it. We're at forty

1400
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: nine fifty and I want to get to forty that

1401
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: way when he gets up out of his bed. We

1402
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: had about a half hour a day light left and

1403
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: wanted him to get out of his bed on his

1404
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: own without having to make a cow call. And we

1405
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: get to just under forty of the tree, but I

1406
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: figured he's bedded past the tree, so he's going to

1407
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: be a little bit maybe right up forty maybe just

1408
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: a little bit over when he gets up. And we

1409
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: were in a section of pine trees, and anybody's hundred

1410
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: pine trees knows if you dropped to your knees, you're

1411
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: now able to shoot under him. And he was under

1412
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: a pine tree, we'll be able to shoot under the

1413
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: limbs to him. And I wasn't as graceful as I

1414
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be going to my you know, down on

1415
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: my knees, and that that bowl kind of caught some noise.

1416
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: But just like we've talked with Brian multiple times, he

1417
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: almost thinks it just walking around at times and letting

1418
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: that bowl here you walk. He bugled as soon as

1419
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: I got to my knees, like he turned our way,

1420
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: but then he bugled like it didn't scare him, it

1421
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: didn't bother him. He bugled at us and then slowly

1422
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: got out of his bed and walked to his left.

1423
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: I remember the wind a couple of times was on

1424
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: our back, and it's like, oh, well, count down to

1425
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 4: five seconds and he's going to be out of here.

1426
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1427
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: I was very ready to shoot quick and I remember

1428
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: looking back at Dave like, gosh, dang it, we just

1429
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: need this wind to hold. But it was one of

1430
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: those times where the wind was predominantly down slope the

1431
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: whole time, but we were getting uphill pushes because these

1432
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: systems were moving in kind of changing the wind. And

1433
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: I think we got lucky because the wind would blow up,

1434
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: but then it would switch and come back down and

1435
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't let that that wind get to him. So we

1436
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: risked a little bit. That bowl gets up. I had

1437
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: a very narrow shooting lane, probably twelve inches wide at

1438
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: the bowl. I was able to get drawn and settled,

1439
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: fortunately very quick Dave. I was able to rewatch the footage.

1440
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Dave is able to like time it perfectly. As I

1441
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: get my bow drawn, Dave like he's perfect, We're perfectly

1442
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: in line because we were both paying a tree. Dave

1443
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: just like inches out to the right maybe eight inches,

1444
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: and gets gets the shot and everything on film had

1445
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of a rough go no blood for

1446
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty yards hit the bowl

1447
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: really well. We we finally start picking up blood. We

1448
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: follow those tracks to the point where we've got blood,

1449
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: and we we we made a bad decision at this

1450
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: very point in our night. I'm gonna blame it on Dave.

1451
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: As we were getting ready, Dave's like, are we leaving

1452
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: the packs here? I'm like, yeah, let's know, I take

1453
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: all responsibility. I said, let's leave the packs here. I

1454
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: hate you know, it's just nice sometimes to be able

1455
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: to go light and nimble, beagle to bow. Dave grabs

1456
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: his camera and to change the batteries and we're just

1457
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: we're out. We realized that searching for blood with your

1458
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: iPhone light is not the greatest, the greatest solution to

1459
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: track in blood. We get on some real good blood.

1460
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: It's got it's got bubbles in it. We know we're

1461
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: either in lungs or heart. Everything's looking real good. He

1462
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: bleeds great for one hundred yards.

1463
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so hundred and fifty.

1464
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of down in the dumps, even though

1465
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: I pride myself in blood track and Dave took the

1466
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: lead because I was a little bit just I was

1467
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: a little discouraged with the blood trail and a little

1468
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: just like, hey, this is best. Just to let Dave,

1469
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: Dave lead it, like you're doing a great job. I

1470
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: helped a couple of times where we'd lose some blood.

1471
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: My light was a little bit brighter, was able to

1472
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: pick up some blood. And we get to a point

1473
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: where we got our last few specs and where there's

1474
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: just nothing, and my good buddy Brian Sanders text me

1475
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: and I we didn't have very good service. It just

1476
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: somehow randomly got through, like hey, update, And I was

1477
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: able to get a call out real quick to him.

1478
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a great call. If he wouldn't have

1479
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: if you would have been quiet and let me talk

1480
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: for He asked me, why didn't you shoot the bowl?

1481
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: He asked me, why didn't have my bow drawn back?

1482
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: If I could get my boat drawn back? He asked

1483
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: me all these dumb questions. And by the time I

1484
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: lost reception, I couldn't give him a pin or tell

1485
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: them where we're at. So then we needed to back

1486
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: out anyways, because we were we didn't have good lights,

1487
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to rain at eleven this is

1488
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: about eight thirty. We climbed back up to the meadow

1489
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: where we shot him, had good service, was able to

1490
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: get a phone call into Brian, and he was going

1491
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: to come up with lights and because we and maybe

1492
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: bring our packs up, but I couldn't tell if I

1493
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: could get my truck unlocked from up there using the

1494
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: old Ford you know Ford Pass. We were gonna use technology, Like, hey, Brian,

1495
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna un unlock my truck for you.

1496
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 1: So we we just I call him back, like, hey, Brian,

1497
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: we'll just meet you at the truck. It's only a

1498
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: mile walk down. Maybe maybe, and we'll just meet at

1499
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: the truck. We're going to charge our phones, get our packs,

1500
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 1: and we'll meet you and come back. So we asked

1501
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: for some water because I was pretty low on water,

1502
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: and I'm almost positive that Brian set me up here.

1503
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm dying. I needed some water, and Brian's like, no,

1504
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: don't take it out of this plastic jug. Take it

1505
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: out of this black thermos. He's like that one, it's heavier.

1506
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to pack that. I pour this into

1507
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: my water bottle and almost burnt my hand it was

1508
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: so hot. And he swears he didn't do it on purpose,

1509
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: but I'm positive he did.

1510
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 6: I didn't. I won't say either way. I would say

1511
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 6: Jason and I have a special friendship.

1512
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: So I head back up on the mountain with boiling

1513
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: hot water.

1514
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: But we regroup. He brings his brother. Me and Dave

1515
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: go back up. We now have our head lamps, we've

1516
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: got bright lights. We head back in there, and I'm

1517
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: never Me and Dave are never ever going to live

1518
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: this down. He thinks we set him up. We had

1519
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: already found the bowl maybe and just called him up

1520
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: there to help pack. But we get to the last

1521
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: Blood and there's an obvious I mean, when you track bulls,

1522
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: there's an obvious direction.

1523
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: They're going right.

1524
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: We were kind of on it and we were sitting there.

1525
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't even put I was still standing at Last Blood,

1526
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: trying to get my pack all situated.

1527
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 2: Brian walks down. He makes a first he's complaining, which

1528
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: is typical of Brian. Not really, He's about his He's

1529
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: tough as nails. But Brian's like, is it all this

1530
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: freaking brushy down here? He gets I think he got

1531
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: to that edge right, and You're like, is it all

1532
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: this crappy? And I'm like, yeah, at least in that

1533
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: pocket you can go left or right of that. And

1534
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't less than a half a minute later. Brian's like,

1535
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: your bull's right down here dead. Explain your theory and

1536
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: how you stumbled into it.

1537
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 6: Well, I kind of told Jason that they have hoofs,

1538
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 6: and the hoofs make tracks, and if you just follow

1539
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 6: the tracks from last Blood, you'll find your dead bull.

1540
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 6: But he kind of disagree with me.

1541
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh no, I claim that you didn't follow its tracks.

1542
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: You just stumbled into it because you came a different

1543
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: direction and found the blood later. But regardless, there were

1544
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: elk tracks.

1545
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 6: And if anybody knows me, I'm like the littlest human

1546
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 6: compared to Jason, and he couldn't see me through all

1547
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 6: that brush, so he has no idea which direction I

1548
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 6: came from and not.

1549
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I didn't find the bull, so

1550
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like make excuses for myself. But Dave,

1551
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: we were probably five yards away from that. We thought

1552
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: that there was a bear. I thought he had tumbled,

1553
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: which he didn't. He never did tumble. He went to

1554
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: his bed to lay down and died. But right above

1555
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: that there was an old log tour apart, and I'm like, oh,

1556
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: it looks like he tumbled through here, Dave, and I

1557
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: went down there with my little iPhone light earlier, like

1558
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing and it was literally you push you that

1559
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: brush and he was laying there dead.

1560
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 6: No, yeah, you guys are right on track. It's just

1561
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 6: you didn't have lights. And it's nice to have fresh

1562
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 6: eyes and a positive attitude and all the things you bring.

1563
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: You bring a positive attitude. Yeah, it was.

1564
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: It was awesome to have you guys there. Brian's pretty

1565
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: damn handy with a knife. His brother Justin was awesome.

1566
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Dave's Dave's a pack animal. He's always uh, you know.

1567
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Taking care of the situation.

1568
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: He's grabbing bags, you know, legs, taking video pictures, doing

1569
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: his job. Why we're trying to cut up meat. So

1570
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: it was an awesome little team there to to finish

1571
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: that up. And Brian asked if I could tell everybody

1572
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: how much weight he packed out on the pack out,

1573
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: because he's he's wanting there.

1574
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: We know how tough he is. But Brian took.

1575
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: All the way.

1576
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 6: We don't need to tell anybody anything packed out. It

1577
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 6: was fun.

1578
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: We all packed, But Brian for being what one hundred

1579
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: fifty pounds, maybe so can we he uh, he probably

1580
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifty pounds on his pack. I

1581
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: really appreciate all the help, you know, Dave justin. You

1582
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: guys all packed higins. I had the head and a

1583
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: front shoulder and we made pretty quick time out from

1584
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: the time we left the truck nine to forty five.

1585
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,479
Speaker 1: We were back at the truck by eleven forty five.

1586
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: It was a it was a hustle in. We broke

1587
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: them down really.

1588
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 6: Quick, by like five minutes.

1589
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it was. It was a great hunt.

1590
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: Had to change tactics a little bit, so you know,

1591
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: we always talk about being aggressive, getting close in the

1592
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: situation where it's just not working. I encourage anybody to

1593
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: change up tactics and do what you have to do

1594
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: to find success. But uh, I can't thank you enough

1595
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: Brian for for helping your pack, thank for coming on

1596
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: here today and talking about the Big Three. And as always, Dave,

1597
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: you take twice as many steps as I do on

1598
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: these hunts and don't ever get to pull the trigger,

1599
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: but you get to hit the record button and really

1600
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you having you, having you here. So thanks everybody.

1601
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: That was just a real quick add on to cutting

1602
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: the distance. Just wanted to have a quick update from

1603
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: the from the field on my my organ arch.

1604
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: We'll count

1605
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 3: M H.