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Speaker 1: feel really good about it. But in the moment, I

424
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: was like, um, flew me once. So it was I mean,

425
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: I remember it was like such a big deal when

426
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: I got announced it, like and I would imagine that

427
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: they really I mean, it had to be so frustrating.

428
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's like really, but it's complicated I

429
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: think for me, like I I never like associated. I

430
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: was almost nine you to it because like my character

431
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: Heather Duke, and it is like basically on like her

432
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: own journey and like just trying to take down these

433
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: other takedown Heather Chandler. So all of our scenes are

434
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: very like you know, um, funny and farcical. Um. And

435
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: meanwhile there's like this whole other j D subplot that

436
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: I was only vaguely aware of because table read sigh

437
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: was only focused on my own laughs. But I think

438
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: that like, looking back on it, it was like it

439
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: was so fun to shoot and um like Leslie Headland

440
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: directed a bunch of rus and yeah, I kind of

441
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: think it's great, um yea, but yeah, you kind of

442
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: have to now you have to be like a little um,

443
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: you know, squirrel gay and go find it because it

444
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: was not wide released, but it's out there, which like,

445
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: and I swear to God that I don't mean for

446
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: this to sound like however, it can't be misinterpreted, but

447
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of gives it this like

448
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: niche CULTI cult following equality where it's like, we'll go

449
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: find it because like how because now with just unfettered

450
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: access to anything you fucking want, there's some intrigue to

451
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: like seeking it out Brendon coming to a party right now.

452
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: There's a mythology about it and you have to go

453
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: find it and you'll be cheering when you watch it.

454
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: Kind of funny thing happened to me and I was

455
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: walking down Large Mont and um l a, and a

456
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: guy behind me just yeah, like I walked by and

457
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, hey, aren't you the actor from that

458
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: show with all the problems. Yes, yes, I was, Oh

459
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: my god, Okay, you're gonna have the problems, all the problems.

460
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, that's going. It's that but that story

461
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: is kind of and that's that's I will say most

462
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like if I'm in like a

463
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: gay bar and like a space with a lot of

464
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: gay people or queer people, um, someone will come up

465
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: to me and be like I loved others and or

466
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: I was in my gym and this guy goes, were

467
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: you in Heathers And I was like yeah, and he

468
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: was like the haters I loved it, And I was

469
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: like that problem. Do you ever feel like you well,

470
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 1: I did this. I kind of did it, and then um,

471
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: it kind of came out and I felt like nobody

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: saw it. And but it's like the people who did

473
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: see it saw it in secret, which and I do

474
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: really appreciate everyone who comes up to me. It's really

475
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: nice to hear. Yeah, so there was you guys. You

476
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: were also on Lips Battle, which I lost. I guess

477
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: I lost a Melanie Field It plays Heather chand they

478
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: flew in a Field Plus Size body body positive dance

479
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: group from it. Lanna who truly destroyed my very you know,

480
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: basic take on Mamma Mia. Like I was like, it's

481
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: mama Mia, I'm wearing wedding dress. Here the wedding dress

482
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: and to reveal another wedding dress, reveal a chair that

483
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: went away, to reveal a high waisted pants and a

484
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: cropped up this says bride creation. It basically came to

485
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: me in a dream. My friend so Jared, and I

486
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: were sitting Jared Freeder and I were sitting in my

487
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: I found out I was doing it on a Thursday

488
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: or on a Wednesday, and then on Thursday I had

489
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: a call basically to pitch my ideas. Um and I

490
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: we Jared and I like walked around my house just

491
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: like pitching things. He was like, you should do telephone

492
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: because that's my favorite. Lady got um and uh. And

493
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: then it was like I have to do mom and

494
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: me at it has to be my wedding and I

495
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: have to have this moment where I'm tearing away these

496
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: wedding dresses. And then I pitched that to them and

497
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: they were like, we love it. We're going to go

498
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: out to Lizam and Nellie to marry you. And I

499
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: was like wow, and they called her people and um,

500
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: but of course she did do. Yeah. I don't think

501
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: she's taking gigs, right, I don't think she's standing. I

502
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: think she's horizontal somewhere and that's fine. Have you seen

503
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: video of her outside Craigs where somebody the tmc S

504
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: guy is like, Liza, Liza, hear, I hear you've lost

505
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: your voice. And she's like says who. And he's like, well,

506
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: you know people are saying you might not be singing anymore.

507
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Can you give us a little something to prove them wrong?

508
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: And she's like, Dale, sad man, we want to go home.

509
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: And the head watch video. Watch Liza proved that she

510
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: can still see. It's like my favorite video. And then

511
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: she goes. He goes, He's like, thank you, Lisa. He's like,

512
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: clearly they know each other. Sometimes he's photographers, no fame,

513
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: the people and the relationship, right, and he goes, thank

514
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: you so much, Liza, like have a great night, and

515
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: she's like, thank you, thank you for caring, thank you

516
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: for that's so from her heart. She's like my one,

517
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: Like she's my one. Yeah. She I mean, she's incredible.

518
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Her birthday was recently. Yeah, she's truly I mean, yeah,

519
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: it's it's and what is your do you square? How

520
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: do you sit with like the way that her image

521
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: is like what her image has become now where it's

522
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's like she's a punchline and it's like, well,

523
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: she deserves better than that. In my opinion, it's like, well,

524
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: are we just bad gay people to like totally like

525
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: point and laugh at like Emperor's thing we do with

526
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: people women as they age? Right, I don't know, maybe

527
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't hear those things because or maybe people know

528
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: I love her so much they don't punchline her to.

529
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all I hear is just like she's the best,

530
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: she's amazing, she gets it. She also might really not

531
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: get it in a way that gets it. That's what

532
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: it is, okay, Yeah, because it's her whole, her whole

533
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: fucking HSN thing. It's like, yeah, what was that she

534
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: was like shopping network and then taking calls People are like, well,

535
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: lies it Like some woman was like I love you

536
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: so much, um, I love you, You're and you've really

537
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: been my mentor through all the years. And then why

538
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: is it just goes oh, thank you so much, jotting

539
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: your my mentor to my mentor. She's got this interview

540
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: on David Letterman where he's like, I don't even know

541
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: if she's promoting anything, but he just clearly loved her.

542
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: And he's just like, so you just had a birthday, right,

543
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: And she's like, yes, I had my birthday. And he's

544
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: like and he's like, did you have a party? She's like,

545
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: I did. I had a party in New York. My

546
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: friends in London through her party, and I had a

547
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: party in Paris. I had parties all over the world.

548
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: And that's like how I watch my birthday to be that.

549
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: It's just be like, I had a party in Paris,

550
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: body in London, a party in New York, international parties,

551
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: my god, unbelievable. All of it is a little aspiring

552
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: and all of it, but it's like that. That is

553
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: how as a queer person you want to age. It's

554
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: just to still be also like like some stress in

555
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: the yeah. And also she could do anything, and you

556
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: have to fuck just understand like that woman is a survivver,

557
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: like her mother was Judy Garland, who was the most

558
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: beleaguered like entertainment, probably the figure of all time and

559
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: then maybe the most famous person of altimime right exactly,

560
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and she's for her to like that was

561
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: her mother, that was who she like was patterned after,

562
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: and then for that same industry to eat her and

563
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: then chew her up and spit her out. And she's

564
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: still kind of like you know, was there at the

565
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: end of all of it. She's still out there talking

566
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to fucking TMZ. Well it's like that old like you

567
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: know women torch song, Um, like I'm still here, like

568
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm back and I just like eat that ship up.

569
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: That's like, um, it's why I like, Um, I'm gonna

570
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: say something controversial, Um, like Hamilton's not for me because

571
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: there's not enough women of a certain age singing about

572
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: her time has passed them by. Like that's what I'm

573
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: looking for in every musical is just like, well here

574
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: I go again. Um, and it kind of doesn't appnue that.

575
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: It's like a lot um, I don't know why I'm attacking.

576
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: For me. The number one best, far and away best

577
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: moment of the whole show is Burned, like when she's

578
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: like and also that's so well written and it's such

579
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: like a I just love a ballad like that, like

580
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I need that that scorned like woman being like fuck you,

581
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: but also i am heartbroken and devastated and I'm dealing

582
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: with my rage right now in this moment in real time,

583
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: just like that last line, I hope that you burn

584
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Like that to me was like, I wish this was

585
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: more of the show. Like I really was so interested

586
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: in like the women in the show, especially because they're like,

587
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, they have this kind of like feminist undertones

588
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: of like and I'm going to talk to Thomas Jefferson

589
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: and say he should add women to it. And and

590
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm like seven more songs of the three of you

591
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: play and a town like yeah, tell me more about Uptown?

592
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? Also the other two

593
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: songs I love obviously because you see both sides of it.

594
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I just thought that was genius. Did you see it?

595
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: I've seen it twice, so not for you, but you've

596
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: seen it twice. That's right. Well I love musicals, Yes, well,

597
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: but you can still be critical of something that you've

598
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: seen absolutely, and well I've seen it once and I

599
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: just couldn't believe the staging. I'm satisfied. I was like, whoa,

600
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: but it's true. It really came alive for me in

601
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: the moment when the women were the focus in a

602
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: big way. Okay, well we're talking about culture. I think

603
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: we I think we asked Mend the question. I mean

604
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: he may have answered it, but if he has another answer,

605
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I would I love to hear it. UM. We asked,

606
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you? Said? Culture was

607
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: for you, the pop culture, UM, that made you become

608
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: who you are, and you can trace it back and

609
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: you're like, that's that's where I come from. UM. I

610
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: feel like for me, UM, I I grew up in

611
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: in Chicago and then we moved to Indiana and I

612
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: was like six, UM, and the most important child culture

613
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: of my childhood was Michael Jordan's Bulls And because of that, UM,

614
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman was really important to me, UM with like

615
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: his hair and wearing the wedding dress. Hello, still working

616
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: through that in my work. And uh, because it was

617
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: like I had a Bulls themed birthday parties for the

618
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: first like three years, like four or five and six

619
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: of my life and was just like obsessed with basketball

620
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: and like the theatrical theatricality of it. I think it's

621
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: like our best sport, um in terms of like fashion

622
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and just narratives narratives are so good and like where

623
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: the players come from and like um yeah, so um

624
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: basketball wives will be my next credit. Like every time

625
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: I have a beating with like my agents or managers

626
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: and we go through like the laundry list at the

627
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: very end there like anything else, and I'm like, I

628
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: would love to do something with basket ball and they're like,

629
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: how okay, next. So you're still a basketball fan. Yeah,

630
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: I still watch a lot of basketball. Yeah, I think

631
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: this is absolutely something you should do. I know something

632
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: something basketball you do you yourself ball absolutely not you

633
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: ever I did, but I never really played. You can

634
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: see you be like an unbelievable point guard. I mean

635
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: you're telling me if you started a queer basketball league,

636
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: that would be the hugest fucking deal. And that was

637
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: what ill not for any like image d optics or

638
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: whatever reason. It's just like like the women's comedy basketball.

639
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: You got here, but queers I'm sure there. I mean

640
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: there are like sports squeers, but it's like the volleyball. Well.

641
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: The only sports square that I talked to very secretively

642
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: about basketball is Sam Grissman. He's a sports he's a

643
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: big basketball fan. I think the two of us just

644
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: like want somebody to dunk on us, right, and um,

645
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: but that's how like we connect. We're just like, did

646
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: you watch Lebron? Why there there shouldn't be whispered network

647
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: around Queer. I mean, I think it's because everyone's talking

648
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: about drag race, which also love and then we kind

649
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: of pull each other aside and we're like, they're not

650
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs. I think for for us,

651
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with the fact that

652
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: you being from you know, Chicago and from India and

653
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: which is like such a like basketball state. And also

654
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the Bulls were like the Bulls, whereas like I'm from

655
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: Long Island and so for us, I don't know about

656
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: for you, but our sport that the world revolved around

657
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: was baseball because of the Yankees. Yankees, right, it was, Yeah,

658
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: And I really don't care for basketball, but I think

659
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: it's because I genuinely feel like who really cared about

660
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: the Knicks at that time? I think a lot of people,

661
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: but the Bulls. That was like a thing because Michael

662
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Jordan's yea and with space Jam like Peak Life, Free Space,

663
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: GM's insane, and it's like all of culture watched it

664
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: all NonStop basically UM identified as Babs from the UM. Yeah. Yeah.

665
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: I feel like also that sports culture type thing is

666
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: like such a way to like talk to your dad

667
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: when you're like not necessarily connecting on a lot of

668
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: other ways. Like my dad and I now mostly connect

669
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: to like television shows, like he like text me shows

670
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: that he's watching that he really likes. Um uh And

671
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that was like our language. That's great.

672
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean that is like I can I can do something.

673
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, my dad was a varsity sports coach, Like

674
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: he was like football, baseball. He never made me play football,

675
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: but it's dangerous, and I think I subconscious he subconsciously

676
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: always has known that because he never and I mean

677
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: never pushed in that pushed me to play football. Like

678
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: he would take me out in the yard and like

679
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: we throw the baseball around and I would hit like

680
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: off the tea and like I got into baseball and

681
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: it was genuinely into it for many many years. But

682
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: I recently asked him. I was like, why did you

683
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: never throw the football around with me? And he was like, well,

684
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: you never showed an interest, and like I never showed

685
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: a natural interest in baseball either, You just showed it

686
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: to me, and I think I sort of got him

687
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: to admit because he kind of said, he was like, well,

688
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone under the age of ten

689
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: should be playing it at all. And I was like,

690
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: because it's dangers and he was like, and of course

691
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: there's all like the stuff with like you know, the

692
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: ct whatever yea, yeah, like people's brains are melting in

693
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: their skulls. Um. But I was like, because it was

694
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: dangerous to him, and he was like, I mean I guess,

695
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I was always really small, like even

696
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: just like minute little person, so there was I could

697
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: never like play sports, so I can appreciate them. I'm

698
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: pretty good at volleyball actually, Like I um with um

699
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: My now Ax, who I was dating last year, we

700
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: like went to the British virgin I last year with

701
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of his friends on like this trip they

702
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: had been planning that. I kind of hopped onto um

703
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: and we were like on an island playing beach volleyball

704
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and I like schooled a bunch of strangers and they

705
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: started calling me the ringer these people straight people. Yeah,

706
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh so that's a fantasy narrative. Honestly, that porn is

707
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: called the Ringer. It was also like very drunk off

708
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: of like um they're called painkillers. Was that it's a

709
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: cocktail in like the Virgin Islands for like like all

710
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: of the rock. Always it's like rum and then you

711
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: feel horrible forever, honestly, Like remember when rum was like

712
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: something you opted to drink all the time. Did you

713
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: drink Captain Morgan in high school? Always it was the

714
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: Bush your drink. It was little Jenna Bush drinking Captain Morgan.

715
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: People doing it right. For Malibu, Yeah, that drank a

716
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: lot of mal Malibu was like soda, like it was

717
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: so much sugar. And I remember just drinking like Malibu

718
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: and coke and it was just so so so sweet.

719
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: But like I remember before Sweet sixteen's, we would um

720
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: pregame with Captain and coke, like Captain Morgan and coke,

721
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: and it was just like taken them to the face

722
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: so that we were nice and toasty for these sweet

723
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: sixteen to roll around on a dirty dance floor. I

724
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: used to get drug in my parents, or not my parents,

725
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: my friend's basement because she had like parents who were

726
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: very lazy, fair and one time, one time they had

727
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: to tie me to a pole with duct tape basically

728
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't go up and like talk to

729
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: their parents, because I was really into, like, I love

730
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: moms and so and her mom, Carol is like sort

731
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: of an icon. So I was always just trying to

732
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: be like, what's Carol up to? And they're like, Brendan,

733
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: you can't go upstairs. And they duct taped me to

734
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 1: a pole in an unfinished basement. They withheld you from

735
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: months from moms. Yeah, that's psychotic, but that is how

736
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: drunk they would get. That is how drunk you would get.

737
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Like I remember my friend Nick. We were drinking at

738
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: my house one time on New Year's Even. My friend

739
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Nick got so drunk and he was like the kid

740
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: that always talked to the parents, and he went in

741
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: there and was fully had a full conversation with my

742
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: parents and I could see he was visibly drunk. And

743
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: your parents, we know, they fully knew. Like looking back,

744
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: I was like, unless my parents are fucking idiots, they knew.

745
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: But I remember like him coming back and they didn't

746
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: say anything to me, and I was like in the clear, like,

747
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: but getting that drunk. And then you mentioned that you

748
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: became a beer punk person in college. Yes, that was

749
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: my whole high school experience. Gross. It was great. Though,

750
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: Now it's like I really don't really play those games. Well,

751
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: of course I wasn't ask like, in what environment would

752
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: you have to like resurface those skills again. I guess

753
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: like you could break it out at like a pregame

754
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: party here at like a house, well the house you're

755
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: probably going to tonight. They occasionally play beer punk Um

756
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: flip Cup because flip Cup is the queer version of that.

757
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: It's like it's like our game. Yeah, I just don't

758
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: really drink beer anymore. Yeah, is that because of the belly,

759
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: Like I don't want my belly to caloric, Like I don't,

760
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I feel like now I'm becoming

761
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: conscious of the calories and beer and like that it

762
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of makes you puffy and it's not my thing.

763
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: It's just not your thing. I love craft beer. See,

764
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I got so exhausted. Chicago is such

765
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: a beer city, and like I think I anticipated, I'm

766
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: like I would turn twenty one and get really into

767
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: like I P A S And stuff, and now it's like, sorry,

768
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: just so much flavor, too much. I P A S.

769
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: I got was really into in the beginning too, and

770
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: I would have them on dates because they got me drunk,

771
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: and then I would like make moves. But now that

772
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older and my tolerance isn't like

773
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: super low, I'll drink and ipa just feel exhausted. They

774
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: are so happy, so much all in them. Yeah, I

775
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: need like a diet coke. Yeah. Um, you guys go

776
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: on a lot of dates. Um um dating. He's sort

777
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: of sort of it's like it's not it's in a

778
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: weird place where it's like things are sunsetting and they've

779
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: been false starts and stops, and like, I think all

780
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: my prospects were like, so you're gonna get new prospects, prospects.

781
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm just on hinge for the first time. So Hinge

782
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: used to be you know, like a regular. I'm a

783
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Hinge rep. I might hinge and um, I'm loving it.

784
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling I tried Chappy, not my bag. Tenders. Tenders

785
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: h like a deathly cross space and hinges where it's at. Okay, now,

786
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: explain what's the great about. It's fun you like you

787
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: create this profile that like isn't swipeable. It's like you

788
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: people immediately see like two or three of your photos

789
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: and like a couple you, they have umps and you

790
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: just answer them. And I find like, I find it

791
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: way more easy to like see a potential person and

792
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, like this person seems cool, which is

793
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: like so much of swiping just feels like I got

794
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: the match and now I never want to talk to you. Yeah,

795
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's like a certain like game of it

796
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: in your brain, and um so I'm I'm like in

797
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: this new take, I like a gamified dating app. I'm dating,

798
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: but I I am liking kind of not using the

799
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: apps to date, like I'll, especially now that I'm in

800
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: a new city and right and new people, and so

801
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: it's easy to kind of like, well, this is something

802
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm finding recently is like you meet someone and it's

803
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: like you decide in the first hour whether you're friends

804
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: or whether it's like a romantic prospect. And so interestingly enough,

805
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: like Joel has talked to me about that too, I

806
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: kind of disagree with that theory. Do you think that

807
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: things can grow into something else organically? I find that

808
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: I love like friends into boyfriends. I really love that too,

809
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: because and I'm like, I know you wouldn't like you,

810
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: but I feel like I don't know. I came out

811
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: here and Joel was like, this will be your group

812
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: of friends, and I was like great, And then like

813
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: that means you can't funk any of us well, right,

814
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: and then whose rule is that yours? It's in my

815
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: own brain, You're right, I could each and every person

816
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: in the group and I will know. But it's just interesting,

817
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: like it's really the reverse where it's like you'll go

818
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: on a date with someone and then the date will

819
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: be great because they're a great person, and maybe you

820
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: leaven hook up, and then the second date will also

821
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: be great because there's still that same great person, and

822
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: maybe you'll eaven hook up again. And then all of

823
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, this thing creeps in where it's like, oh,

824
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: now we've established that we're like heading in this direction,

825
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: and I feel that it's harder to go from that

826
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: to friends. And it's also like, and that's the thing

827
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm realizing about dating again as I'm as I'm starting

828
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: to do it more actively for the first time, um,

829
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: since I relationship ended up couple of years ago, Like

830
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: I dipped in and out, but now I'm trying, Um,

831
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, remembering that like feelings are at stake

832
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: even though you really like the person, I just don't.

833
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: It's what do you mean? Feelings are at staking because like,

834
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, after everyone's you know what I mean, it's

835
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: like after two or three days, it's like I could

836
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: really like the person but just not feel it in

837
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: that way. And no matter what, that's always gonna suck

838
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: to hear, you know, it's always gonna be on on

839
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: either side of it. It's like, yeah, I mean, I

840
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: feel like you can if you're trying to maybe make

841
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: that transition to friends, you don't have to be like, hey,

842
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I think we should be friends, even though I've literally

843
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: said that to somebody recently. And don't follow your own

844
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: advice is my advice. But you know, sometimes it just

845
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: takes like three or four months of like not really

846
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: seeing that person and then you see them again and

847
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, we're like friends now. Honestly, that did

848
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: happen to someone I was dating um, and I I

849
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: was confused because like we started hanging out again at

850
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: more as friends, and I one night made a move

851
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: and he was like no, no, like we're friends now

852
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: in a different place than I was, And I was like, right, right, right,

853
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: I have to remind myself of that. I feel like

854
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm becoming more and more in my adult life like

855
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: totally okay with that type of rejection. I feel like

856
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like, wherever people are, you kind of have to

857
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: meet them at it, and I don't know, the last

858
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: thing you do want to do is like try to

859
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: force something, because then then forget it. Then you can't.

860
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Like but then they are like stories of people being like,

861
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, I just kept texting him and kept texting him,

862
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: and now we're married. And when I hear usually the

863
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: stories are straight men being like I just wouldn't leave

864
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: her alone. Yeah, well I'm kind of that's how it happened,

865
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: and kind like, who's trying to wear me down? Well?

866
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: But the thing with the thing with gay, thing with gay,

867
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: the thing with gay is that, um, there is this

868
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: like I was talking to Matt Whitaker about this, there

869
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: is this seer let's see here. He was like, it

870
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: is the Schrodinger's kind of situation where it's like you

871
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like, um, you don't know what it

872
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: is until you just open the box and see whether

873
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: whether or not the cat it's dead. It's like and

874
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: it's like you don't know if the thing is like

875
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: the box being closed, is you guys just assuming your friends?

876
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: And then it just takes one person to be like,

877
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: what is it? That's scary, that's the impossible. It's scary,

878
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: but it's scary why because of the rejection. The rejection

879
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: because now but then do you just yeah, but then

880
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: if if you're like Brendan and like that doesn't really

881
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: phase you, then I mean it's getting it's phasing me less.

882
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: I last you know, you still have that sting of

883
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: like I kind of made myself vulnerable. But um, also

884
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's also good to be vulnerable. I

885
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: was telling Mutual, Honey, I don't get it. You know,

886
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: she's like the powerful in the Billy. She's like a

887
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: self help Gurum, you have never been to the gotta

888
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: make yourself vulnerable. And it's okay, this power in vulnerable.

889
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: I should ask my friend Cathy what I need. Yeah,

890
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: exactly exactly an asking for help. And you know, and

891
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: I actually was. I was telling a friend of ours

892
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: who's going through a situation right now where he feels

893
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: self conscious of making himself vulnerable, and I was like,

894
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: you should never feel bad about that or never feel

895
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: embarrassing exactly, and then at the end of the day,

896
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: you're you are. You have advanced yourself and you become

897
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: you get to know yourself even better by doing that,

898
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: And I always think like that was the I think

899
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: why it took me so long to date again is

900
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: because my relationship UM towards the end was so painful

901
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: UM and it hurts so much for it to end

902
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: UM and we've all been through varying degrees of this

903
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: that it's like, why ever do that again? And I

904
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: think it took me so long to start dating again

905
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't want to put myself through

906
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: something hard, but that's literally life, and you do get

907
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: better as a result of If we had watched like

908
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: another thirty minutes of The Star Is Born, after she

909
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: would have met somebody exactly so I'll never love again.

910
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: And then afterwards somebody would have been like, you're such

911
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: a great singer, and she would have been like do

912
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: you think so? Specifically her right, do you think so?

913
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, yeah, why don't you come over

914
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: and she would have been like, we're dating, Yeah, she is. Honestly,

915
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: she became that girl as the movie one on because

916
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: the script fell apart. I love that movie and I

917
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: but I know I understand why people have problems with it.

918
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: But um, it's yeah, we're no musical like with music

919
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: as I don't have at all a critical I know

920
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Hamilton's I guess, but as long as it's like a

921
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: woman at the center singing, if you give her a

922
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: moment like I'll never love again, sure I can see

923
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: why that's like not right, but I will cry. I

924
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: was weeping. I also feel like, um, I have some

925
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: friends who were like I just hate that I didn't

926
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: care about him and like I didn't like him, and

927
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I talked to my mom afterwards and

928
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: she was like, I saw so many men I know

929
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: in him, and I'm like that's like kind of important

930
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: to remember. Like audience wise, like, um, you know, you

931
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: can't hate every straight they haven't. They're not the ones

932
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: who but late He's Jackson Maine, didn't belloy you. I

933
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: also really don't like this thing of like because it's

934
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: a straight white man, we have to hate it like bigs.

935
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: That's actually that's lazier than anything else. It's so lazy

936
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: and also like not for nothing, but you're not gonna

937
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: get much of a like that. Bradley Cooper is a

938
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: queer allied because he gave Lady Gaga on the moment

939
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: to do that and we got to enjoy it all

940
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: year long. Like I'm a little tapped out on Gaga

941
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: in this era, Like I feel like the Stars Born

942
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: Gaga Earra was a beautiful era of the Gaga story

943
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: and I've really enjoyed it. But I am happy it's

944
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: over because it was getting too critical mass. But he

945
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: allows us, he gave totally, totally gave it. Um. I

946
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: really love joe An Aarra Gaga, and I'm kind of

947
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: like definitely on the wronks. We love thee I love

948
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: joe An, I love Griggio girls. I just read this,

949
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: you guys work with Vulture. I read some article and

950
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: it was seventy. It was her seventy third best song,

951
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, this person does not understand top thirty. Yes,

952
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: someone ranked top five top five for me? Actually can

953
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: I I can read you my top gagas because I

954
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: was literally just let's do this. You know, we have

955
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: a fucking Judy in the studio. Was that he's got

956
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: a list of a list of literally texting my friend,

957
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: um fish, who is it? Um a straight guy? Oh,

958
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: but he loves Gaga and we love him. He's great. Um,

959
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: what else is going on while I find it? I

960
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: mean to oh, okay nothing or right, Okay, I'm gonna say, actually, no,

961
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: my number one number one. Number one number one is

962
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: Edge of Glory Love, Edge of Glory. It's more than

963
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: bat Romance. Um okay, keep lightly, um, Edge of Glory

964
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: Grecio Girls is up there. I'm gonna say, oh, um, um,

965
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: it's happy. I could die happy, I could die. That

966
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: is a deep cut because it's just like it's a

967
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: pure like it's like a it's like a fun little

968
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: like drug high words. I like to give one from

969
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: every era. Yeah, okay, and then that's how best, totally totally,

970
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: So what am I missing? Art pop? Oh? Art pop?

971
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: M venus venus um and from from the Fame. Uh,

972
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: let's see the fame. It's got to be I know

973
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Minezzi for me, it's Paparazzi bat Romance, which I think

974
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: is one of the best pop songs ever. Um. I

975
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, Edge of Glory shallow and I would

976
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: say and I would say, I'm like a ballad queen,

977
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: so I would say million Reasons. I think Million Reasons

978
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: is epic, and I love that it was performed on

979
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: the fucking super Bowl. When she did that on the

980
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl, I was like, this is a she was

981
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: doing Joe, Yes, I love him. Yeah, probably mine our

982
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: edge of glory. I love telephone, I UM, I love

983
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: um you and I um I love applause um. And

984
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: it's a grower. It is a grower. And I love Judas.

985
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I was going to say in Judas in Berlin at

986
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: a club called Sus and she had four backup dancers

987
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: and she was rolled out in a groceries cart and

988
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: covered in like paper and popped out of it and

989
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: at like three in morning, it was the best drag

990
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: performance I've ever seen. And her wig flew off and

991
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: she snatched it out of the air and put it

992
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: back on her head. The funniest thing ever happened in

993
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: my lift the other night. So he turns to me

994
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: and he goes, do you like music? And I said yes,

995
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: I do. He said do you want to hear my

996
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: favorite song? And I said yes I do, And I'm

997
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: just gonna play what he put on. Okay, so literally, actually,

998
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: let's act this out. Okay, so I'm the driver of

999
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: the car. Careful about the accent. No, I'm not going

1000
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: to do an accent. You don't need to tell me

1001
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: a funny European accent. I think you can do like

1002
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: something fun something, you can do something Slovak. We can

1003
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: make fun of Russians. That's basically a big thing we

1004
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: can still do that is man has grown a lot.

1005
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: That has grown a lot. Literally, he goes, um so

1006
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: bo and you beat me, Hi, Matt, Yes, of course,

1007
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: h okay. Like music, I'm sorry, um do you have

1008
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: a do a charger? Oh? No, okay Android? Oh no,

1009
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm iPhone six, iPhone six with a fucked up screen?

1010
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: Do you have a charger for Android only? Sorry? Sorry?

1011
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I love music? Do you want to hear my favorite song? Yes?

1012
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: This is my favorite song. I love that He played

1013
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: Shallow Yes, and I was literally like I was because

1014
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: it was I love Lady Gaga And I was like,

1015
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: I do too. He's like do you know this song?

1016
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: I was like, did you sing it together? Yes? Yes,

1017
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: we did to play. Jackson sang every words and you

1018
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: should have been like, I'll take I'll take Jackson. See

1019
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: you can be Gaga Sleep and he was like, I

1020
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: love this movie. Did you see this movie? I was

1021
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: like I did. I did see it. He's like, did

1022
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: you like it? I was like I loved it as

1023
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: this is playing, and I was like, it's so funny

1024
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: to me that he decided, Like like the reveal of

1025
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: what a favor song was. I thought it was gonna

1026
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: be some deep cut. It was literally the biggest song

1027
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: of the year. Do you guys ever like have that

1028
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: man might not be I don't know, but but it's

1029
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: kind of revealed over time that you know, in like

1030
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: a few short sentences, you find out somebody is like, um,

1031
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: a queer person driving you, and you're like, oh, thank God.

1032
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: Whether it's like a guy, I always feel better about that.

1033
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: But also that sunks with me because I'm like, oh,

1034
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, I'm gonna hunk out with

1035
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: this person. Whenever I meet or hear about someone that's guy,

1036
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I suck him. Yeah, really, yeah. I'm like, um,

1037
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: my driver last night was one thousand percent guy because

1038
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: he's blasting like Mariah and j Lo and all this stuff.

1039
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: And I was like God, I was like great, and

1040
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: I did my move when I'm in l A because

1041
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: I just do not want to talk. You're like, here's

1042
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: my IMDb. No, no, no, oh my god, yeah maintenance

1043
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: maintenance Jung Laser loves a gear and he was like,

1044
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, don't check it now because it's gonna

1045
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: be so much better in a year. I go, no,

1046
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: I I was my ONLI movement losses. I'm sorry, can

1047
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: I put my headphones on for work? For work? It's

1048
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: a work thing. I have to ignore you for work.

1049
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to explain. And they're always like, yeah, sure,

1050
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like that. I if they choose that to

1051
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: have a conversation, we're having one for I don't know.

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: I just can't gamble on forty two minutes of conversation.

1053
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: It's a long one. Yeah yeah yeah. So I was

1054
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: just like, what work could you have listening to a podcast?

1055
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I was, honestly, it could be you. Honestly, I was

1056
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: like doing homework on like someone's like comedy album and

1057
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: like and just like just like doing that and like

1058
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: and so it wasn't fully lying. I went side a

1059
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: driver who I got in the car and he was

1060
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: in a full like kind of like almost think a

1061
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: wet suit, like he was like, you know, kind of

1062
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: like one of those like fit, straight white guys who

1063
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: is in like full athlete your but leggings um. And

1064
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: he was just like, hey, what's up man. My name

1065
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: is Jonathan, but you can call me Liam. I was like,

1066
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: how is that possible? He was trying to start a conversation.

1067
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: He was like, you live around here? And I was

1068
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, and he it was this was in West

1069
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: Hollywood during my wee hoo days and he was like, nice, yeah, yeah,

1070
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: I live. I live in like wherever, but I'm kind

1071
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: of looking for like a crash pad around here. And

1072
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: I was like, like a crap. What And he's like, well,

1073
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: I got a wife and a kid, and I'm thinking

1074
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: of maybe getting like you know, spot on my own

1075
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: and what what are you talking about? Also, this was

1076
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: an uberpool and we picked up another person and then

1077
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: at a you know, a couple, so there were five

1078
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: of us in the car, just like all bounded together.

1079
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: I think it was the last uberpool I ever took. Wow. Yeah,

1080
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't funk with uberpool. No, I don't either, because

1081
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: which is a privilege to say about. But the thing

1082
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: is like the saving of a few dollars because that's

1083
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: really what it amounts to. Isn't worth going out of

1084
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: your way to pick up someone else. I think it

1085
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: was started where you could like maybe not get picked

1086
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: you would not from someone else up. But now at

1087
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: that time, I was like, there are four five people

1088
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: in this tiny little car, and I can't do this again.

1089
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: It's just too high risk, especially on a weekend night

1090
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: when people could be getting in there and they're drunk.

1091
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: Like I've had Uber drivers tell me that they've driven

1092
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Uberpool Uberpool and like full fights have broken out in

1093
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: the back in fact that they did different Yeah, between

1094
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: two different people, Like I remember on Insecure, like, um,

1095
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I believe someone was smoking in the back of the

1096
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: car and like another person wasn't and then they got

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01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: into a fight. And that happens all the time, I

1098
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: think because Hesa drives Uber on Insecure lift or whatever.

1099
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: But um, I saw that and I was like, oh

1100
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: my god, that would be crazy if that happened. And

1101
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: then I was talking to a lift driver one time

1102
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: because he initiated a conversation and I was on board

1103
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: because I'm too weak, and he was saying the people, yeah,

1104
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: they're people, um, but like he was saying that he

1105
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: had seen and had to stop several physical fights in

1106
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: the back of his lift, which to me is and

1107
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: also that's their car. That's another psychotic thing about It's

1108
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: like you're stepping into someone else's domemain. How dare you

1109
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: be anything else than like mms? Yeah, what do you guys?

1110
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: Do you guys say what you do to people? Yeah?

1111
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: Lately I do because saying something for us and now

1112
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: I won't say that. I'll usually just say I have

1113
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: a podcast and that that usually either don't want to

1114
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: hear about it or they're like me too, will you

1115
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: be on mine? Yeah? Yeah. I always get really self

1116
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: conscious about saying I'm a comedian because that people always like, like,

1117
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: what like positive or negative? Because I think saying I'm

1118
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: a comedian means that I think I'm funny where I

1119
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: do well. And so now the other day I like

1120
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: surprised myself, um when someone asked what do you do?

1121
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I can say I write

1122
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: for TV. Yeah, I mean I was like, I was like, wow,

1123
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: I can say that now. And now it's like, you know,

1124
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: I have something concrete to say that doesn't sound like

1125
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: presumptuous about myself. It's just the fact. That's just the fact.

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: That's the facts. Um, I was gonna say that, I'll

1127
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: say um. But like the usually the first thing that

1128
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: happens when you say when you lead with I'm a

1129
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: comedian is they'll they'll say, wow, do you know blame?

1130
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: Do do you know Gabriel and Glesias his work? And

1131
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: like I don't. I'm sorry. You know he has his

1132
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: own parking spot at Stable Center because it's fluffy on it? WHOA,

1133
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: how do you know that? Because I've seen it. Okay,

1134
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: I've taken a photo of it. That's beautiful. It was

1135
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: empty when I walked by it. But I do have

1136
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: a full photo of me, you know, doing the old

1137
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: peace sign, the old peace sign. They always ask if

1138
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: you know like the biggest straight comedians, like do you

1139
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: know like Bill Burr, and I do you know? I

1140
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: know of him? Right? And then and then that's just

1141
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: and then it just stops there. And then it just

1142
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 1: stops there because what else is there? What else is there?

1143
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna be like, yeah, so I do know Bilburr.

1144
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: I find him to be misogynist honestly. That the work

1145
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: in marketing, and it's just kind of just so work

1146
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: in marketing. Yeah, and that stops it because it's like,

1147
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: what is marketing? They're just like brands, and you've tapped

1148
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: into something so perfectly vague, right, they just they just

1149
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: lost just what happens if you say, like I'm an actor,

1150
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: they'll go like anything I may have seen and for

1151
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: me it's like, no, truly, you have not seen it.

1152
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: So then I have to explain like I was on

1153
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: this show that got canceled, and then it's sad, and

1154
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: then and then they and then they have to know

1155
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: what to do with that, right, things like like I'm

1156
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: not I don't need you to to support me, even

1157
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: though it is nice for you to say, you know,

1158
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: it is hard out here. I forget that A lot

1159
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: of people listen to podcasts in their car and watch

1160
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: like a lift driver listening to this, like I'm learning

1161
01:03:53,480 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot about not to open my mouth at all conversation. Um,

1162
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: we love that. I think, okay, it's time. It might

1163
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: be time to move on to I don't think so, honey.

1164
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: It is our segment in which we take one minute

1165
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture that's just getting our goats.

1166
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: It's making us mad, and it needs to be railed

1167
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: against yes, and Brendan Scannell has done several I don'd

1168
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: send it's an expert in the form, so um, I

1169
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: think we'll go in the classic order. Okay, great, So

1170
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey. As

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01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey, queer. I

1172
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. It has lost what was special

1173
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: about it for me because I feel that the current

1174
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: cast has become too self aware, that they've become like

1175
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: they've created monsters. And I think that's what happens with

1176
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: very sudden fame. And I have met one of them,

1177
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: and I think this person is kind, but like, I

1178
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't heard the best things about like

1179
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: what's happening with them personally from good sources, and it's

1180
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: just like, I don't think so honey, this idea of like,

1181
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they know why we really like them,

1182
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: Like you go on one of their instagrams and it's

1183
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: clear that it's like thirst trap Central, and it's like,

1184
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's why we really like you, babe.

1185
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: I think we like you because of like you know,

1186
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: sorry Anthony, but like the stupid goofy faces you make

1187
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: when something gets said, I liked you because you were

1188
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: goofy and you're trying to be sex So I don't

1189
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: think so many queer I I would like a new cast.

1190
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: I think they should go on to different projects. I

1191
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: think I would like them more. Corm will be a psychologist,

1192
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: Bobby get a design show, Anthony b a model. Uh,

1193
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, Jonathan, go ahead

1194
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: to your comedy towards live podcasts And who's the last

1195
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: one to keep dressing? And that's one minute. I mean,

1196
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: have we reached queer eye fatigue? That's interesting I have.

1197
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not excited at all about this season

1198
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like they never went away. The thing

1199
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: of that shows when they come back is it's like

1200
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the cast again because I missed them.

1201
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: Whereas the queer eyes are so ubiquitous all the time Instagram.

1202
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: But I think I need to and follow them because

1203
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: there that's where there you piquitous. Really, it's Instagram culture

1204
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: that I'm I don't think so, honey, because I think

1205
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: that's when it twisted them all. They're all trying to like,

1206
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, become moguls and and buy houses which you

1207
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: know is there, right, But part of that is, like

1208
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, doing Instagram in a really intense way. And

1209
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: they're all coming out, like all of their books are

1210
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: dropping the same time, or at least they're all promote

1211
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: like Karamo and Tance came out with it and I

1212
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: wrote all of them and you and thank you for

1213
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: doing so. What was the difference between writing them all?

1214
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: What was the most difficult one to write? Well, I

1215
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: spent six months with each of them. Um, I actually

1216
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: don't um, yeah, I haven't really watched it, you know,

1217
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: I haven't want to watch it. I have a tough

1218
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: time with um uh. Just like men who don't get

1219
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: it trying to be taught to get it. I want them,

1220
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: but I think choosing to be on the show, they're

1221
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: typically like I feel like I need to try to

1222
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: get it and that's a good thing. Well, well, I

1223
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: think what madd is trying, and that's a really emotion too.

1224
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: And sometimes with that type of emotional reality TV, I

1225
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: have our time, but you never know what you're gonna get.

1226
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: Either you're gonna either be bowled over by emotion or

1227
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: so fucking bored between. I think what Matt saying to

1228
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: is that. I think they started out getting it well, yeah,

1229
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: because they were just doing the show. And I think

1230
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: the first season of the show was special because it

1231
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: was like a nice um twist on the form that

1232
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: we all knew. And I think that they were all

1233
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: just being themselves to do a good job, and then

1234
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: when they became that famous overnight, I think they couldn't

1235
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: see themselves anymore. And I think people like, of course,

1236
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: when someone is as attractive as Anthony, like, they're going

1237
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: to get a lot of attention from people because of that.

1238
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: And I think unfortunately he got a little confused and

1239
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: thinks this is what's worthy about me, and this is

1240
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: what people like about me. Instagram is entirely thirst traps.

1241
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's a little sad because I actually

1242
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 1: don't like him for that reason. Of course, of course

1243
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: I can see him, but I actually liked that he

1244
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: seemed like insted in the people and looked like a

1245
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: good friend. And I like the goofy faces he makes

1246
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: when he's like flustered, and they're not necessarily hot faces,

1247
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: and it's like that any it's like the disease you

1248
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: see with anyone on Instagram, where you meet them in

1249
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: person and think oh, amazing, and then go to their

1250
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: Instagram and it's like just pictures of them shirtless, like

1251
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: looking like not a person. Um, that's like a disconnect

1252
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing specifically with him and all of them to

1253
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: certain degrees. Well. Also when people get famous, they get hot,

1254
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: and when they're gay, you get fit. It's like part

1255
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: of it is like you get like, oh, I have money,

1256
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: and so my culture is teaching me to have a trainer,

1257
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: and that of a sudden you kind of like Loues,

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Speaker 1: I think a little bit of your Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: know your every man outside eerness, which I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: I love what Jonathan like does on carpets. I think

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: that that's like pretty kind of fantastic. And also, um,

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01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, he's a tall man, hard to find fashion

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: that you can pull off it as a short person

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: who you know has the body type of kind of

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: like a fifty year old woman who does yoga. I

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: do have like a relative amount of privilege in terms

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: of like walking into a store and being like this

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: jumpsuit fits me, and so it requires a lot more

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: like care on his half's behalf. Um, But you know what,

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: someone listening right now can just level the same fucking

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Speaker 1: thing against maybe, I mean, we're nowhere near as famous

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Speaker 1: as they are, but like I've gotten people saying like, wow,

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01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: Bowen's really alone talks about his soul second reviews being

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01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: like wow, like who cares? People like they're they're they're

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01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: really losing touch, and I'm like, really, no one has

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: ever said that, No, there's there's truly don't care about

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: what people are saying. And I learned that the hard

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: way because I really cared and then all of a

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: sudden everyone said really main stuff and then I was like,

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care anymore. Oh yeah, you

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: have to make this power of therapy, especially like you

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: know they really I mean they list. The thing about

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: the people that give negative reviews is like, well you

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: listen the whole time and keep listening. Well, review I

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: just did like a Comedy Central um like standard um,

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: and I did. I made the mistake of like just

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: scrolling down for a second, and I was like and actually,

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: when my I did lip SNC Battle, I managed to

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: not read a single comment because I expected them all

1290
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: to be like this sucks and also who is he?

1291
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: Because I literally had no television credits when I did that,

1292
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: and everybody on stage was like, he's nice. Who is he?

1293
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: Christy Teagan was like is this my a? Oh my god, Yeah,

1294
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: that's Kyle's Kyle. And when you scrolled down what happened

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: um on the Comedy Central thing, somebody just wrote so

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: bland and I was like, huh, I am kind of black.

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 1: You can't do it, can't, can't, can't Okay. But anyway,

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: I just what I mean to say about them is

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: it's like, I feel like it's kind of like reach

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: critical mass. And I'm not sure if I don't haven't

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: watched the third season, but I'm wondering if they can

1302
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: still do it at the level they did it, like

1303
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: with the kind of ego that they must have. I

1304
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: hope that they all buy houses, you know, invest in property.

1305
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: I wish the best for them at the moment. I

1306
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: say this out of really concern for them, because I

1307
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: don't think it could have been easy, and I just

1308
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: like I probably would have completely buckled under completely. I

1309
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: mean like they had like probably what four thousand Instagram

1310
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: followers one night and then two million the next, like that.

1311
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Their fame was crazy. But anyway, um, this is Bowen

1312
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: Yang's I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

1313
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 1: I don't think so many chocolate I've never cared for you. Truly,

1314
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: I think I've finally come into this. I've settled into

1315
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: this place. I have a solid foothold on this as

1316
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: my identity. Chocolate is bad um. You know, every now

1317
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: and then I'll pop a little for rare rostra in

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: my mouth. Hell, I even read a whole play with

1319
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: my good friend Matt Rodgers about chocolate, about chocolate tears.

1320
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: But as as as a concept, it's like I can't

1321
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: believe that. I can't believe that we've got to a

1322
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: place where we're like okay with like they're being like

1323
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: luxury brands around this. You know, It's like, who cares?

1324
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: It's a goddamn piece of brown brown? Do? Do you

1325
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: know what? You can't? Sometimes it looks like poop And

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: that is my big hang up with it too. It's like,

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01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: if it looks like poop, it's not going in my

1328
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: mad Not to shame any people folks out there, but

1329
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not that bitch. And I've never been

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: a bit for chocolate, And every every Valentine's Day, I'm

1331
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: very confused that this industry is truly getting away with

1332
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: highway robbery because of our obsession with conformative and that's one.

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01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a chocolate fan either. I love a candy, yes,

1334
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: I love it's really I love cookies, but even chocolate

1335
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: chip cookies. But oh, I don't love a raisin in

1336
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: a baked good like I just don't really do it.

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: I would always rather have a chocolate chip cookie. I loved.

1338
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: It's nothing to gain chocolate chip cookies. It's just they're

1339
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: so often pitted against one another, and I have to

1340
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: go with all male raisin and that makes me and

1341
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: you bow revolutionary, revolutionary. But everyone, everyone has this crazy

1342
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: heart on for chocolates, and it's culturally businessing where it's

1343
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: like my vice chocolate. It's like no, it's like a

1344
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,959
Speaker 1: thing that like ladies say when they're like I'm a character,

1345
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: you know with chocolate out me, you know, like I'm

1346
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: saying this like a full caricature of a gay man.

1347
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: But just now I'm trying to be a middle age

1348
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: and they don't even let me near that chocolate. Whose

1349
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: thing is chocolate? Like you know, like oh and Susan,

1350
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: like oh, the after dinner it comes dessert and that

1351
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: means we're going to hear it about chocolate. But we

1352
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: love that fan Susan. Actually I took I took a

1353
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: three or five fitness class in l A with a

1354
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: very good friend. Um, already different, I'm already different. No,

1355
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: it was sweet, but you know it was like it

1356
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: was like me and all white women and it was

1357
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: lovely and we were just dancing torking to Megan Trainer

1358
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: and I thought, what, it's so easy to make fun

1359
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: of this work into Megan Trainer. It's I was like,

1360
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: it's so easy to make fun of this. But just

1361
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a place for it in this world

1362
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: and it's fine and there's no need to like take

1363
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: it down, and like no need to take it down. Also,

1364
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: you're already there and you've already paid for it exactly,

1365
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: like I can't poke holes in it. But um, maybe whatever,

1366
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like betraying my own I don't think so

1367
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: many because maybe there's a place for chocolate. Who um, okay,

1368
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: this is Brenny Brendan. Are you already I think so yeah, Okay,

1369
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: this might be like I don't know, we'll see. No,

1370
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: I haven't really prepared it, but it's something. I thought

1371
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: everything about this intro. This is part this is Brendan scinals.

1372
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't think Sony as time starts now, I don't

1373
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: think so, honey. People with social anxiety, I'm truly it's

1374
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: hard for all. I feel like people are like, sorry,

1375
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little anxious, Like I have social anxiety. I

1376
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: can't go out. It's difficult for all of It's like

1377
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: read a book by Emily Post, go to Cotillion. If

1378
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: you have a difficult time and conversation, turn the com

1379
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: versation onto the other person. Ask questions. You can so

1380
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: if you're feeling anxious today, what did you do today?

1381
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: You can say stuff like, um, did your parents vote

1382
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: for Trump? Like changing the subject and feeling like it

1383
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: isn't this whole big thing where everyone's looking at you

1384
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: all the time. All you have to do is talk

1385
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: and maybe have watch television. Ask people if they have

1386
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: seen those types of things. I think this social anxiety

1387
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: is preventing people from going out, is creating this inside

1388
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: culture of like I love being inside, and I'm like

1389
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: there's art out there and people to be met and

1390
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: beautiful experiences to be had, and that's why thank you.

1391
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: That was beautiful beautifully constructed. That was gorgeous. And also

1392
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: I came to l A with a certain amount of

1393
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: social anxiety, and now I'm looking back and I'm like

1394
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: why why I was just holding myself back to the city. Also,

1395
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: lets you be crazy, I will. I'm six years into it.

1396
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: And I walked into a jewelry store the other day

1397
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, hi, like, I'm looking to make

1398
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: a custom earring and they went fully down the line

1399
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: with this woman where we were like picking the size,

1400
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm going to text the jewelers.

1401
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: She's also a marine biologist, so she might be at sea.

1402
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: I was like, well, yeah, go ahead, give you can

1403
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: you have my number? And then um she called me

1404
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: like two hours later and she was like she can't

1405
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: do it, and I was like, you know what, I'll

1406
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: be in another time and fully psychotic. And then you

1407
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: hung off the phone and we're like, wow, I just

1408
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: I've been underwater for three hours, like I've been in

1409
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: this distortion field of nonsense. You can just be very

1410
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: cooky and like you know those people who you used

1411
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: to be, Like you were at a grocery store and

1412
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: someone would be like are they out of almonds? And

1413
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I don't know, And now I'm like,

1414
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: they might be should we ask? Oh my god, that

1415
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in New York. Also, I'm not working right now,

1416
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: so I'm like, just like I take in day trips,

1417
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: go and spending a long time at the Americana. God,

1418
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: the things that go to the Grove lovely. I don't know.

1419
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm so basic and I love the grow so gorgeous.

1420
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: I love getting going into vinciag stores and getting the

1421
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: phone number of the person who owns it, giving them

1422
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: my sizes and being like, if you haven't ever have

1423
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: anything like this in my size, just text man all

1424
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 1: the time. I have like six different people who text

1425
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: me I never buy anything. I go into Fred's Segull,

1426
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: which is a really expensive store, and a woman they're

1427
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: just said, well, occasionally send me a photo of a

1428
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: high heel. Wow, And I'd be like you. But the

1429
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: thing is about you is if you walked into my

1430
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: Star and gave me your number and said text me

1431
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: if there's stuff that I need, I would see you

1432
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: because I do feel that you're iconic, like and I

1433
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: feel like your energy and everything I people remember you.

1434
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: You're you are, you are a Star You guys are

1435
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: so kind. Um, god, and what a Star E episode?

1436
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: Which is gonna come out? I don't know when is

1437
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: this gonna come out? When do you want to come out?

1438
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: I've got this Netflix show called Bonding coming out yeah okay, Um,

1439
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: it hasn't been announced, but it's in April written and

1440
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to get people to watch that. It's

1441
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: like this kind of labor of love. Um. It was

1442
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: this made by this French company called Black Pills, and

1443
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 1: it was like gonna be on their weird streaming site

1444
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: and um then Netflix saw it. And I won't say

1445
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: weird because they're all very nice. I think I meant French,

1446
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: but um and um, Netflix spotted and it's putting it

1447
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: on Netflix as is kind of in the way like

1448
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: when people say Netflix buys everything. I'm like, well, that

1449
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: you're attacking me. But I really love it. I played

1450
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: the assistant to a dominatrix and the Dominatrix is this

1451
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: actresses that we live in and it's just basically about

1452
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: our friendship and our work relationship and it's uh. I

1453
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: think it's very fun and sweet. That's beautiful. Well, I

1454
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: can't wait. If you're listening. Please catch brendanam bonding Yeah,

1455
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: stream feats. Yeah. I felt like when Heathers was coming out,

1456
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: I had difficulty asking people to watch it because there

1457
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: was so much money behind it where it felt very like, um,

1458
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, sorry for being in your feed about

1459
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: so much. But now this is like a project where

1460
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: like we did it really um uh, like flying by

1461
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: the seat of our shoes, shoe string, no budget, and

1462
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: it made me feel fall in love with the art again.

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Speaker 1: I please watch It's great, tweet it and Instagram and

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Speaker 1: I would really appreciate it. You know, we will icon

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Speaker 1: star friend fellow party goer tonight. We'll see you there.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is a very fun episode, Thank you Brendan,

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Speaker 1: and we are now going to end with a song

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Speaker 1: Pocky Slag, Pocky Slag, Pocky slagh, Pocky slag, slag, Pockies slag,

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Speaker 1: the Dulca tones of the Pocket Girls. You're giving me

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Speaker 1: a million reason let you go. You're giving me a

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Speaker 1: million rasons to in the show, giving me a millison.

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Speaker 1: Give me the rest of that song. Stream the album

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Speaker 1: show Forever. This has been a Forever Dog production executive

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