WEBVTT - The Great US Brain Drain 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.119 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:17.600 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.920 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.160 my name is Noah. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.080 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:38.640 super producer Dylan Chicago pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.960 You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:42.919 want you to know. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.360 Okay, can you really have done? Had Thin Crest Pizza 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.640 and Chicago. I bet it's really good. I bet it's 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.479 still really excellent. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.680 Yeah, sure, Yeah. Who doesn't love a pizza? Bad people? 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.800 Bad people don't love a pizza? hEDS and Neighbors. It's 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.600 officially twenty twenty six. As you're tuning in with us, 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.600 we're so excited that you're here and we are coming 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.319 in hot and ready with something we first addressed on 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:12.240 Strange News a while back. Brain drain. You guys, remember 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.280 the concept brain drain does. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.120 Sound like a bit of a space alien sucking your 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.920 brain goo out of your skull situation. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.520 It is like it, except with policy. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.280 Yeah, it does. It does conjure these images of ravenous 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:37.800 aliens right cracking open graniums like little Pharaoh Racero's Yeah, fronation, 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:38.720 I love it. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.120 I'm gonna go with yours. I think you might be 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.080 the right one, Ben on the right side of history. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:47.360 There as as we'll see. Uh guys. Brain drain is 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.280 a very real concern. It dates back to ancient times. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.440 It only becomes more important in the modern day. And 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.680 tonight's episode we started asking ourselves ever since we talked 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.400 about this on Strange News, what exactly is brain train 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.520 and why, pray tell, are so many people concerned about 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.960 it right now in the United States? 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:11.240 Why? Indeed? 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.080 Because science good, science good. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.320 Yeah. At the end of the episode, we got to 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.120 have them scientists, and they apparently are going elsewhere. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.560 Here are the facts, all right. Not to be confused 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:31.399 with brain. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.639 Rot six seven due use that correctly. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.480 Everybody is using it correctly, because it doesn't really mean 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:45.600 anything cool. Brain's raining is describing this phenomena where highly 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:51.120 educated or highly skilled individuals move from one place to 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.040 another on mass It could be one geographical place, or 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.320 it could be moving from one industry to another, like 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.760 if you are if you are one of the top 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.840 boffins in the world of what's something people don't do anymore, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:15.920 in the world of recreational lithium, and recreational lithium is 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.760 no longer a legal thing to give to children. Then 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.360 you get into some other part of pharmaceutical so well. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.080 You know, it's interesting, it's not quite the same. But 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.040 I think a part a version of this that we 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.240 experience here in Georgia, uh is the brain drain that 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.640 is the kind of migration of the film industry, you know, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.880 out of Hollywood and out of Los Angeles and into 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.600 our fair metropolis of Atlanta. And you hear people in 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.040 LA talking about that all the time as something that's 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.720 really wrecking their industry. Obviously it's a boon for us, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.200 but there are various reasons that this kind of brain 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.800 drink can happen, and in our situation, it seems largely 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:56.320 based around financial incentives, you know, government subsidies and things 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.040 like that that places like LA just can't seem to 0:03:59.160 --> 0:03:59.960 figure out how to compete. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.800 I love that example. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:06.040 Though, Oh yeah, fantastic example. And in today's case, we 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.280 are talking about, as we said, these highly skilled scientific minds, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.280 highly intelligent people who are very much interested in pushing 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.640 the boundaries of the field that they're interested in. Right, So, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:23.240 for that stuff, you generally need money for research, and 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.960 in many cases grants from a government or an institution 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.839 that then gets money from governments. Usually, So, why in 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.120 the heck are people leaving right now? 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.440 Well, historically brain drain has This has been fascinating me 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.239 ever since bringing up on strange news. Historically, brain drain 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.400 is caused by the opposite of some of the things 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:51.000 we just mentioned, political instability, economic hardship, war, human rights issues, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.360 or just the appeal of better opportunities, better options somewhere else. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:00.159 It can occur on local, regional, global levels. And this 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.400 this stands out to us, folks. If you have spent 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.839 a lot of time in some parts of rural America, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:12.200 you have likely encountered brain drain and its consequences firsthand, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.680 even if you never heard the term. You know, where, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.960 like manufacturing dries up and all the technically skilled employees 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.200 who worked at that assembly line or worked at that 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.919 factory have to scramble for options, and often without a 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.000 lot of lead time. They may find a job in 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.880 a related industry, or may even start a new career 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.480 that doesn't require moving that's the ideal case. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.640 We certainly saw a lot of that around the housing crisis, 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.000 the collapse you know, of the housing industry, when a 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.920 lot of related fields and whole towns that you know, 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:53.040 were built around making things products, fabrics, whatever, carpet, whatever 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.560 it might be, building materials, and then when that market 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.120 kind of dried up, you started to see here in 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.720 Georgia a lot of communities scrambling to figure out what 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.000 to do in place of that industry that had more 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.239 or less disappeared. And that was when you really started 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.960 seeing the kind of this situation where a lot of 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.400 these private prisons were coming in and capitalizing on these 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.200 sort of ghosts downs that had become that because of 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:16.520 exactly what you're talking with. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.800 Oh yeah, man, More often than not, these individuals who 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.280 get the rug pulled out from beneath them have to 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.120 look beyond their community for survival. So if you can 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.799 afford it, you're probably gonna move your family somewhere else. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.120 This can have real serious consequences for the local economy, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.960 especially when it occurs at scale. Unfortunately, as we know, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.240 as I think a lot of people have recognized a 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.760 lot of times of family cannot move due to financial 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:51.559 concerns or medical concerns or familial concerns that can also 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.120 be bad for the local economy. It's real, Kobeashi Maru, 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.840 because now if you are the local economy, you don't 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.400 have people moving away, but you have an influx of 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.520 people who are underemployed or straight up unemployed, and that 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:13.200 puts unprecedented strain on support services. It's tough either way 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.840 you look at it. We also see brain drain in 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.120 support services. Guys. We know a lot of folks throughout 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:25.560 rural America and communities here in the United States where 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.880 people are hours away from a doctor now because hospitals 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.080 and medical centers close their doors and shout out to 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.000 the one doctor in that small town who stay behind 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.840 because they wanted to fulfill the hippocratic oath and to 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.080 help people. Now, they're overworked, they're probably underpaid. They're probably 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:50.960 considering leaving as well and finding an area with more opportunities, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.560 a more prosperous place. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.640 Yeah, and that's tough, right, because you're talking about people 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.360 with highly trained individuals with medical expertise that have to 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.640 make that hard choice of continuing their career right rather 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.360 than actually helping people in a place that really do 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.320 need help. You can't make the money there to support 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.600 yourself and your family because of you know, whatever aspirations 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.280 you've got, because of the standards of the pay for 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.200 you know, people in the medical industry here in the 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.080 United States, the only place that has that weird private 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:28.920 healthcare thing instituted, you know, which means doctors can make 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.960 a craft ton of money if you play the game right, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.079 and only if you play the game, which requires you 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.000 to be in a place that has a lot of 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.199 patients and has a hospital slash medical infrastructure that. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.640 Is prosperous and like nothing against people trying to play 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.760 the game and you know, rise in their career and 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.320 make more money. But we also know, to the previous 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.000 examble of the doctor sticking around, there are plenty of 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.880 people that are highly specialized that it's more they're more 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.240 in it to do the work, and they're more in 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.160 it to help people and help communities. Like for example, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.160 maybe a lawyer who could very well become a defense attorney, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.360 but rather than do that, decides to work protecting you know, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.640 tenants from being evicted by corrupt landlords. That's not a 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.440 higher paying job, but it involves the same degree, and 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.760 it is a very conscious choice, and we're seeing a 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.520 mix of that in this situation as well. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.760 Absolutely, and don't worry, friends and neighbors, this situation gets 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.000 worse because you see braid drain is bad for the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 source region, but it can also be damaging for the 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.880 destination region. Real Grapes of Wrath with all the Oaks 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.640 showing up to the Orange far right and you have 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.000 you have three hundred jobs available, but you have three 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.680 thousand people who want them right, and they've already moved. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.080 Tell me about the Okies. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.360 So the Okis is a term we're shouting out the 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:57.520 book Grapes of Wrath, which examines the mass migration of 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.120 people from Oklahoma who were called Oake in a pejorative 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.080 way by the media of the time. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.120 They in California way, it's trying. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:12.280 To work right. Largely largely agrarian communities swept up by 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:17.000 the climate disaster in the mid Midwest, lost their farms, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:22.760 lost pretty much everything, and desperately sought to survive by 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.240 hitching up their tent stakes and as as Grapes of 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.160 Wrath had it hopping on a jealoppe, which is just 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.000 a fun word to say. I don't know why. It 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.880 sounds like a sandwich, but it's a car, all the 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.120 stuff strapped to. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.760 The roof, and you know, their whole family. And I 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.720 mean a big part of that too, was it was 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.680 there the corporations of the companies, the larger farms down 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.320 in California, up in California were capitalizing on this, and 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.040 they were advertising these jobs and this like, you know, 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.640 come here, move to California and change your life, bring 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.000 your family, all are welcome. And it was a lie 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.800 because there was just not there weren't nearly enough jobs 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.679 for the amount of people that saw those handbills or 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.959 advertisements or whatever it might be and uprooted with the 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.679 hope of changing their lives, only to get there and 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.400 realize that not only were there not enough jobs, but 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.320 the jobs that were available were often very difficult and 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.360 low paying, and they were treated like chattel. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.000 Sleeps more or less. Yep. And the destination region, that 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:28.880 is what occurs. And to add to that, these folks 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.360 have gambled everything to get over there and they can't 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.880 go back, So now it's a problem for the destination region. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.720 There's more on that in a moment. But we've got 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.640 to point this out. I don't know about you, guys, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.240 but I was astonished to learn, folks that the phrase 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.960 brain drain is pretty recent. The etymology traces back to 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:56.400 just nineteen sixty three, but the concept is so so old. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.320 Brain drain has been around ever since empires started empiring. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:08.640 Yeah, imagine, really, it's talking about getting the best brains right, literally, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:14.120 that the best humans, the best innovators, the best inventors, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.880 the people, no matter where they live, get that person 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.520 to work for you. If you're let's say, an empire, right, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.079 how do we get that person to work for us? 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.720 Or how do we incentivize that person to come and 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.000 innovate in our land so that we can make use 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.000 of those inventions and innovations. Yeah. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.320 Yeah, if you go back through the sort of dendo 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:43.040 chronology of human society, you can trace the tree rings 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.880 of brain train through war, disease, famine, all the hits, right, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.920 all the slow jazz. And it's because just as it 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.080 was then it is today. Nobody wants to live in 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.160 a war zone, no one wants to get the plague, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.360 and most people in jail federal like to have a 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.080 good idea where their next meal is coming from. So 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.720 this this also ties into I love that you're bringing 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.520 up to this point, Matt. It ties into the fact 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.360 that a certain level of economic activity has to exist 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.400 to support skilled labor. So if you're an ancient tradesman, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.160 you're a metalsmith, you're an armorer, you have to flock 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.120 to large towns, villages and cities to survive. And when 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.520 you do that, and there's nothing wrong with you doing that, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.640 you're leaving your old stopping grounds without the town blacksmith, yep, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.160 you're taking that knowledge with you. You're also you're you're 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.760 not only not there to make stuff, but you're not 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.839 there to teach people to make stuff later. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.240 Oh man, exactly. We've talked about the importance of that 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.960 that system of training, right master apprentice, and how how 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.560 important that was to humanity for so long, and how well, yes, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.640 but how that still exists, especially in academia, right. That's 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.439 that's a lot of what's happening here. You've got circular 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.640 learning that occurs because you've got people in positions to 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:11.120 teach others the thing that they've mastered, which you know, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.480 you take that master away. As you're saying, Ben put 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.040 them in a different town. Now that town is going 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.000 to benefit from what that person has to offer. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:23.920 Yeah, exactly, man. I mean history is also littered with 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.880 accounts of people then as now at the tippity top 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.880 of the socioeconomic pyramid, and those folks, we call them 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:37.080 enlightened despots, would by hook or by crook, gather all 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.800 the smart brains from all the planet not planets, but 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.720 basically planets at that time, from all the example. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.359 Alexander the Great, you know, rolls through a place, Djengus 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.480 rolls through a place, and they both say who here 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:57.840 can read? All right? Kill the first like the second one. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.960 And this is this is a true story. And over time, 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.880 funny thing is that became a net positive because some 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.960 seventeenth century monarchs in Europe would gather the boffins and 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.000 they would actually listen to them. They would listen to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.840 the experts and they would say, you know, oh that's 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.240 a that's a good point. Maybe we should try to 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:27.920 clean the water or do science. You know, I'm glad, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.400 I'm glad you're not the one we killed. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.880 Well, there lies the enlightened aspect of the deskmt. I mean, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.880 it is still technically someone ruling with an iron fist, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.760 but they've you know, they're open to two new ideas 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.120 and potentially good and progressive ideas. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.560 And hey, guys, it's me the king. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.280 We have sort of an open door policy exactly, you 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.160 know what I mean, So like, keep your eyes down, 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.800 no eye contact. But tell me about this heliocentric concept. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.080 Oh man, It really puts into perspective the concept of 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.600 putting in place advisor around you, let's say, as a 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.040 king or a president of just people that you like 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.080 or want to hang out with. Are people who like 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.520 you enough or say they like you enough to just 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.520 you know, be copasetic when you're around everything feels good, yeah, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.960 rather than an actual you know, a group of scientific 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.280 experts who can say things, well, what did you say 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.240 about it? We should clean the water. That is such 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.880 a perfect example, especially for our times right. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:28.440 Now, sycophants versus actual experts who will speak their mind 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.800 and who are given the space to speak their mind. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.120 When you start to have people in high levels of 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.360 power surrounding themselves with just people telling them what they 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.560 want to hear, that's its own kind of brain drain, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:39.160 isn't it. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.560 Yeah, it's it's definitely an emotional drain for the sycophants. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.040 I imagine. I mean, like we think about what. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.400 Happens everything, you know, It's like it's like a bosituation. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:55.880 Yeah, yeah, let's let's think about it this way. So 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.560 a good hang is a yes. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:58.600 At that's right. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.680 Good science is a no, but good science is a 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.000 well actually. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.800 Yeah, maybe a yes, but also yes. It's about diplomacy. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.280 I mean, you want to play it, you want to 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.919 read the room, but it should ultimately result in a 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:12.960 butt this. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.680 Thing, right, My favorite is a yes, but ah. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.840 Oh, here's we'll put you on some game here, right, Yes, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:27.600 because you avoid the social danger of a no, but 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.600 or well actually, and you just sort of make it 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:35.119 sound like the leader's idea. Right, yes, because the water 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.800 should be clean, like oh, this guy's great. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.600 Do the dance a little bit, right. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.960 Little parkour now? And then, I mean, this is the 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.440 other side of the the other side of the cerebellum 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:54.080 or the butt cheeks. People in communities who get left behind, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.040 the folks who are not highly skilled or don't have 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.800 a resource or knowledge base to sell, or the folks 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.119 who just get afford to move. It's like your town 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.000 got bypassed by the new train line. History rolls on 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.840 and you are not on the ride. It's scary. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.120 You're still out there digging up rud of vegas. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:20.680 Yes, yes you are, and your problem. That's a very 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.080 respectable way of earning it. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.520 And you're probably using an older shovel. So the better 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.080 shovel got invented in the. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.439 Big big city, the auto shovel. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:34.000 Right, yes, they called it the John Henry with no 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:41.520 trace of irony, and yeah, exactly, And thanks Illumination Global Unlimited, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.160 our first and primary sponsor every war. We talked about 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.879 this too in the past. Guys. Every war in human 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.080 history brings this mass transfer of knowledge. And sometimes it 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.000 happens organically, but in other cases, like in post World 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:03.480 War two, countries purposely headhunt the best and brightest from 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:08.639 the losing side and then leverage that desperate situation to 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.600 their advantage. Operation paper clip. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:12.639 Is that Varoner von Braun? 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so many other let's really hit 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.160 that home. The United States has NASA, no matter how 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.800 you feel about that, right, the folks that in innovated 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.880 space travel and space exploration because of World War Two, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.440 because of brain drain, because of Nazis. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:38.120 Because of Yes, brain draine Nazi scientists, it definitely happened. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:43.280 History is not original, Okay, that's what we're saying. It's 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.960 important to remember that as we record Monday, December twenty second, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.919 twenty twenty five, history is closer than it looks in 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.080 the rear view mirror. In fact, in the course of 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.360 our investigation for this, we found that tons of experts 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.080 have examined facets of this over the past centuries and 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.960 sometimes Okay, technology modifies a few plot points, but the 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.359 story at its core, if we're writing a screenplay about 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:14.880 brain drain, it is always the same. It's the same thing, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.439 beat for beat, and that means research is solid. But 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.960 it also means we can make some disturbing predictions about 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.840 the future. Yeah, real pyrrhic victory. Nice when you guys, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.920 kind of an own goal on our part. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.400 Uh, it's really messed up as we're about to get 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.560 into here. When you look at this a survey, right, 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.000 how do you trust surveys nowadays? When you can, you know, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.919 open up Google and it'll just serve you surveys and 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.600 you'll get like zero point two cents if you fill 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.439 out the survey or whatever. But anyway, one of the 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.040 main things we're talking about today is based on a 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:55.160 survey just of how people are feeling, which is this concept. Right, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.800 we can look to the past and then we can 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.800 feel this way, some particular way about what's coming right, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.000 and that feeling ends up being the thing. Just the 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:11.280 way it moves markets. It can also move researchers and academics. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.680 And science, and we do have some quantitative data as well. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.880 These are not just articles of faith. We're talking about 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.600 the future of brain drain. I mean, okay. Something that 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.920 is good for the average person is that today's world 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.240 is cartoonishly more connected than it was in the past. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.400 It is now easier at this point in history than 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.760 ever before to gather information to learn how much your 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.280 same job pays in another town and another part of 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.840 the world. It's also easier to travel, and it's also 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:49.439 easier for powerful people, the new enlightened despots, to find 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:54.119 you if they want your skills. This ties into immigration. Sure, 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.280 you know, let's play along at home. If you've got 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.359 your second screen up, if you're on your phone and 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.080 you're watching this on a different device, figure out your 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:08.000 dream country. Just name a country, check their immigration policy, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.520 and you were going to see a wish list of 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.840 dream employees from that country, right, the country, you know, 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.600 Canada says well, we don't want everybody, but are you 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:25.640 a doctor? How much do you know about semiconductors. 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:30.200 As intense as the immigration rhetoric's been out of our country, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:33.520 it does seem like they're certainly willing to make exceptions 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.399 kind of after the fact, after a lot of this 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.399 like Saber readily nasty talk about not wanting immigrants, but 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.240 yet we do want these particular type of immigrants that 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.560 are going to benefit us, which just I'm sorry, I'm 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.240 not trying to be politically or but does seem inherently 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.040 hypocritical to have like the two sides of that coin, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.359 and like we want you, but not you, but the 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.480 you that we want, but then the other ones that 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.680 are not benefiting our bottom line, we you know, get 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:58.160 out of here. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.080 Wait, we're letting the Nazis in. Yeah, but just like 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.040 the rocket. 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:07.880 Nazis, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the medical Nazis. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:12.359 Well all right, guys, we're we can't have everybody on 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:13.960 the list, though, But see. 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.320 That's also a really tough thing because just because someone, uh, 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.440 some scientists, some research, or some academic who is living 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.879 in a country where there is an oppressive regime like 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.080 the Nazis. Operator doesn't make them Nazis. Right, of course, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:27.720 you've got to we have to keep that in mind. 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.960 But there's also that thing where when you're in a 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.080 country like that that is going through some oppressive regime, 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:38.120 perhaps your your the thing you're good at, your research, 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.960 your your innovations, inventions are being used by that crew. 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.119 You're against your will sometimes though you're not like getting 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.199 to choose which exactly they are pulling you in, and 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:53.080 then you are being installed in a position that uses 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.080 your skills, that benefits the regime. 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:02.200