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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
Speaker 2: your Joel Garvin with US Industrial Science consultant educator. It's
Speaker 2: been the inventor of several commercially successful technologies that have
Speaker 2: contributed valuable advances to the chemical, pulp and paper, water treatment,
Speaker 2: and infrastructure industries. He has worked with the young adults,
Speaker 2: getting them, of course, to teach them the wisdom of
Speaker 2: the You ranch your book in the Bible as well.
Speaker 2: His websites are linked up at Coast TOCOASTAM dot com. Joel.
Speaker 2: Eight years have you been?
Speaker 3: Oh? Hi George. It's great to be back on coast
Speaker 3: with you, you know, And I had no idea that our
Speaker 3: friend Richard Dolan was going to set up our conversation
Speaker 3: so well.
Speaker 2: He did a great job. You guys have known each
Speaker 2: other for years, haven't you.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we have, and we've even had a few opportunities,
Speaker 4: including on the Oregon coast, to have some deep discussions
Speaker 4: about tonight's topic.
Speaker 2: What have you been up to over the last eight years?
Speaker 3: Well, George, you know, like you, I'm a grandfather. Well,
Speaker 3: I think you're also a great.
Speaker 2: Grandfather three times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. Well, something happened. I think when I
Speaker 3: became a grandfather. You know, being a parent and all
Speaker 3: the busyness of work and trying to like figure it
Speaker 3: out and get things going for the family tends to
Speaker 3: distract you a bit. But I think becoming a grandfather
Speaker 3: made me observe a little bit more about what's going
Speaker 3: on in our world and how it's influencing people in general,
Speaker 3: but more specifically the young ones. And I am absolutely
Speaker 3: convinced that our little planet is in the midst of
Speaker 3: a spiritual crisis. It might be better termed a spiritual battle,
Speaker 3: but it's taking a great toll on our youth and
Speaker 3: our young adults. I see it in my own family.
Speaker 3: I observe it in the family of friends and others,
Speaker 3: and you know, just everywhere you look, it seems like,
Speaker 3: you know, these these young people are having unprecedented rates
Speaker 3: of depression, anxiety, a feeling hopeless, a feeling like they
Speaker 3: have no meaning and purpose in their lives. And it's
Speaker 3: just happening at such a startling rate that something really
Speaker 3: big is going on and I want to help fix that.
Speaker 3: And you know, I term this problem the God sized
Speaker 3: hole in the heart of these young people. So I've
Speaker 3: been collaborating with a group of elders from several countries,
Speaker 3: each of whom recognize that we have this spiritual crisis,
Speaker 3: but also who recognize that there are some some very
Speaker 3: interesting teachings from extraterrestrials who've been visiting this planet that
Speaker 3: had to deal with human history in great detail, and
Speaker 3: that also has some profound things to say about religion
Speaker 3: and the cosmic understandings of true religion and insights on
Speaker 3: how that can be brought to bear on the spiritual
Speaker 3: problem on little planet Earth.
Speaker 2: Good for you, So how did you get involved in all.
Speaker 3: Of this, Joel, Well, you know, I had for many
Speaker 3: years I had been educating about breakthrough energy technologies, and
Speaker 3: how I came around to that actually was part of
Speaker 3: what solidified my faith in God. You know, the whole
Speaker 3: topic of ETS to begin with, became of interest to
Speaker 3: me when I was not quite a teenager back in
Speaker 3: the early seventies. I grew up on a little apple
Speaker 3: farm outside of Cincinnati, and one evening we were just
Speaker 3: having a barbecue, you know, out back of the farmhouse,
Speaker 3: and we saw this very unusual three colored set of
Speaker 3: lights that were just hanging in the sky, very unusual.
Speaker 3: And then after about twenty minutes, those three colored lights
Speaker 3: they each separated and then they shot off in different directions.
Speaker 3: And it really made an impact on me because you know,
Speaker 3: I've always be koind of one of those you know,
Speaker 3: science kids. I pay attention. You know, my brother was
Speaker 3: the kid who had the telescope. I was the kid
Speaker 3: that had the microscope, and so we were always exploring outside.
Speaker 3: You know, we paid a lot of attention. So it
Speaker 3: turned out that in the early seventies, at that same time,
Speaker 3: there was a real UFO flap happened in the Ohio
Speaker 3: Valley where we lived, and it was even being reported
Speaker 3: on the front page of the local newspapers. So a
Speaker 3: lot of people were having sightings at that time. So
Speaker 3: that was the first incident. The next incident happened in
Speaker 3: November of two thousand, when I had caught wind of
Speaker 3: there being some UFO sidings reported at a ranch not
Speaker 3: too far, maybe about ninety minutes from where I lived
Speaker 3: up in the little town of Trout Lake, Washington, and
Speaker 3: very close to Mount Adams, which is one of the
Speaker 3: large mountains in the Cascade Mountain Range. So I called
Speaker 3: the owner of that ranch. His name is James gill
Speaker 3: Alind and that name may ring a bell because I
Speaker 3: imagine a number.
Speaker 2: We know him, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So I got him on the phone and
Speaker 3: he said, yeah, we've been having some activity up here,
Speaker 3: and a couple of film crews had just left, and
Speaker 3: he said, why don't you just come on up and
Speaker 3: just take a look for yourself, see what you think.
Speaker 3: So I went up there with five of my very
Speaker 3: close friends. This is November at two thousand. It was
Speaker 3: the weekend before Thanksgiving. And we get up there and
Speaker 3: there's snow on the ground and it's lightly snowing. And
Speaker 3: when we were all bundled, knowing that we were going
Speaker 3: to sit outside and do what he was calling a SkyWatch, well,
Speaker 3: you know, the weather was just socked in, and you know,
Speaker 3: as we're sitting there, gradually this this perfect circular hole
Speaker 3: started to open up in the clouds right above us,
Speaker 3: and it grew and it grew in this perfect circle,
Speaker 3: and then there were these stars, the first stars we
Speaker 3: could see in that opening. And my buddy Mike he
Speaker 3: elbows me goes, he goes, oh my gosh, those are
Speaker 3: the Kle eighties, and I thought, well, okay, I didn't
Speaker 3: quite really know what to make of that. But then
Speaker 3: another friend of mine starts snapping photos around our group
Speaker 3: and around this SkyWatch field, and and those photos revealed
Speaker 3: that there were these bell shaped objects. I would say,
Speaker 3: if you were to make a circle with your outstretched arms.
Speaker 3: They were about that size, one of them hovering just
Speaker 3: a few feet above the heads of our group. A
Speaker 3: couple more of them photoed out in the field. And
Speaker 3: then also these these shafts of just brilliant emerald lights
Speaker 3: that were also out in this field. So those those photos,
Speaker 3: you know, we gave them to James Golin. He posted
Speaker 3: them on his website. He reported that that he started
Speaker 3: to immediately get lots of activity on his website from
Speaker 3: different institutions, including a military related companies who were contractors
Speaker 3: to the military, different research universities. And that was at
Speaker 3: the time when you could see who was who was,
Speaker 3: you know, perusing your website. And then James started to
Speaker 3: include these photos in the presentations that he was giving
Speaker 3: it to various conference and things. So that that was
Speaker 3: that was incident number two. And then the third one
Speaker 3: actually happened two years later at that same ranch, which
Speaker 3: you know is now called the East Seti Ranch. So
Speaker 3: I was up there. It was a very very dark night.
Speaker 3: I was sitting on this wooden platform out in the
Speaker 3: SkyWatch field, and there were probably four or five other
Speaker 3: men there. We could barely even see each other. It
Speaker 3: was a new moon, pitch black, and this, this large
Speaker 3: white sphere comes in from the left in front of us,
Speaker 3: and we're looking toward Adams, which was about eleven miles away.
Speaker 3: And just to give a perspective of the size of
Speaker 3: this object, if you were to hold out your thumb
Speaker 3: in front of you and you're just looking at your
Speaker 3: thumb and you made a circle out of the top
Speaker 3: part of your thumb, that's how large disappeared in perspective. Now,
Speaker 3: we don't know how far it was, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's between us and the mountain, which was eleven miles away,
Speaker 3: but it certainly appeared quite large. Well, this bright white
Speaker 3: sphere stops right in front of us, and then it
Speaker 3: starts to change colors, and then it starts to change shapes,
Speaker 3: and it goes through a sequence of the platonic solids,
Speaker 3: goes back to a white sphere, and then it just
Speaker 3: shoots off and disappears, and that startled each of these
Speaker 3: men who were there next to me, and everyone was
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, did you see that? Did
Speaker 3: you see that? And it happened also that there were
Speaker 3: two films crew's there, one from Mexico and one from
Speaker 3: a public broadcasting station. And one of the guys said,
Speaker 3: I forget which when he said we got that on film. Now.
Speaker 3: I did not have the presence of mine to check
Speaker 3: in with him the next morning, because again this probably
Speaker 3: two in the morning or so, but it really made
Speaker 3: an impact on me. And I think that that combined
Speaker 3: with a long, long interest in what the reality is
Speaker 3: about our universe, and I would say the big questions.
Speaker 3: I've always been hungry for answers to the big questions.
Speaker 3: You know. Those would include what are the origins, history,
Speaker 3: and destiny of the universe of our planet.
Speaker 2: You've questioned the BANG theory.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, so, I would say this, George, I question
Speaker 3: pretty much everything. I'm a data driven scientist. I don't
Speaker 3: adhere to dogmas, but yet when I see something that
Speaker 3: really has some compelling data or compelling testimony or some
Speaker 3: other type of evidence, then I'm like, Okay, I'm willing
Speaker 3: to change my mind, you know, and I'm willing to
Speaker 3: follow threads and go deep down the rabbit hole. And
Speaker 3: I certainly have done that when it comes to the
Speaker 3: UFO ET topic, especially as it pertains to religion and spirituality,
Speaker 3: and I think it has a particular bearing on this
Speaker 3: spiritual crisis that we're having on our planet right now
Speaker 3: and how it's impacting the youth and young adults. And
Speaker 3: I think that we can tie in what we can
Speaker 3: learn from the messages that the ets are providing us
Speaker 3: and help to resolve this issue. And I would say
Speaker 3: that the most shining example I've been able to come
Speaker 3: up cross is the information and wisdom that's contained in
Speaker 3: a relatively obscure book called the Urantia Book.
Speaker 2: And you've done a great job analyzing that book.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been a twenty year study for me, But
Speaker 3: I'm a neophyte compared to some of the elders who
Speaker 3: are connected with from various countries here recently, some of
Speaker 3: whom have been studying it for forty years. And now,
Speaker 3: these are not kooky people. These are very high intellect individuals,
Speaker 3: many of them with advanced university degrees, most of them
Speaker 3: are taking taken the religion they were brought up and
Speaker 3: very seriously. Generally they are all God believing people. I
Speaker 3: would say most of them are Christians, but there are
Speaker 3: other religions represented as well. So it has been quite
Speaker 3: a serious study. And I say I follow this because
Speaker 3: it is so dagone important that we get to the
Speaker 3: bottom of this and come up with some answers.
Speaker 2: Explain to those who do not know what that book is, Joel,
Speaker 2: what the uential book is?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, great questions. So I mentioned that, Hey, you know,
Speaker 3: there's some really really big questions, you know, like the origins,
Speaker 3: history and destiny of the universe, of our planet, of
Speaker 3: humanity itself. You know, who is God or what is God?
Speaker 3: You know, what's really the nature of reality? And such?
Speaker 3: Including even something like okay, you know, here, here's this
Speaker 3: extraordinary being who lived two thousand years on this planet
Speaker 3: called Jesus. What's he all about? And I would say
Speaker 3: that when we look at conventional science and religion, the
Speaker 3: answer is that they provide to these big questions. Generally,
Speaker 3: are do not adequately satisfy my questions here, cause I
Speaker 3: found them essentially incomplete, inconsistent, or incoherent or all three.
Speaker 3: But what I find remarkably about the Ranier book is
Speaker 3: it addresses these big questions in a beautifully intelligent and
Speaker 3: an articulated way that makes sense. George. It is a
Speaker 3: two thousand page book, covers an enormously broad and comprehensive
Speaker 3: range of topics. It has tremendous internal consistency, and I
Speaker 3: have a keen editing eye for where there are inaccuracies
Speaker 3: or inconsistencies and logic even in grammar. I just have
Speaker 3: a he an innate knack for picking out inconsistencies. It's
Speaker 3: also very coherent, and so it blends topics on science, lust, being,
Speaker 3: religion together in a way that just goes beyond any
Speaker 3: type of purely human prose that I've ever come across.
Speaker 3: And I've read an awful lot of books in my day,
Speaker 3: and this is this is just unmatched.
Speaker 2: Now, I was written in Chicago. Has anybody taken credit
Speaker 2: for writing it?
Speaker 3: It has never. It has never had any claim of
Speaker 3: human authorship. And that even was tested in a court
Speaker 3: case where there was a challenge to the copyright of
Speaker 3: the book because some individuals wanted to kind of take
Speaker 3: extracts from the two thousand page book and publish it
Speaker 3: as a separate Life and Teachings of Jesus. And so
Speaker 3: there became this this copyright court case about that, and
Speaker 3: came out in court was that there is no provable
Speaker 3: human authorship of this. In the claim that the book
Speaker 3: makes is that it was transmitting it. It's by a
Speaker 3: commission of celestial personalities of various orders from various planets,
Speaker 3: and and so it was extraordinary to see that, you know,
Speaker 3: even in court. Uh, basically that the copyright dispute was
Speaker 3: shown that there is no copyright because you have to
Speaker 3: have human authorship, they have a copyright claim. So so
Speaker 3: basically the court said, okay, yeah, it's uh, it's extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: origin as the authorship. Pretty pretty startling, but that's what
Speaker 3: that's what it is.
Speaker 2: You're one of the few scientists, Joel, that believes in God.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I would say this, George, any scientist who
Speaker 3: claims to believe in God finds themselves in some really
Speaker 3: good company. Because what you'll find if you look at
Speaker 3: the history of science, that that there is a long
Speaker 3: list of famous scientists who had a strong belief in God,
Speaker 3: and in fact, most of them were Christians. And you
Speaker 3: know just if you listened to a few of the
Speaker 3: names here, Gregor Mendel, who was the father of modern genetics.
Speaker 3: Isaac Newton, you know, who formulated the laws of motion
Speaker 3: and gravitation, and he invented calculus. You got Kepler, Galileo Copernicus,
Speaker 3: Lord Telvin, you got Maxwell and Faraday and Louis Pasteur,
Speaker 3: Boyle and Dalton and JJ Thompson, and you know, collectively
Speaker 3: those scientists who are done. I'm just naming a few. Collectively,
Speaker 3: they made fundamental discoveries in physics, chemistry, electromagnetism, astronomy, microbiology,
Speaker 3: quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, and genetics. And even in the Nobel
Speaker 3: laureates between the years nineteen hundred and two thousand, fifty
Speaker 3: six percent of those Nobel laureates and sciences fields were Christians,
Speaker 3: and most of them claiming that it was their faith
Speaker 3: that informed them about their scientific inquiry, and they felt
Speaker 3: bound to explore the natural laws that God had created
Speaker 3: and for men to discover. So pretty interesting.
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