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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: your Joel Garvin with US Industrial Science consultant educator. It's

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Speaker 2: been the inventor of several commercially successful technologies that have

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Speaker 2: contributed valuable advances to the chemical, pulp and paper, water treatment,

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Speaker 2: and infrastructure industries. He has worked with the young adults,

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Speaker 2: getting them, of course, to teach them the wisdom of

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Speaker 2: the You ranch your book in the Bible as well.

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Speaker 2: His websites are linked up at Coast TOCOASTAM dot com. Joel.

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Speaker 2: Eight years have you been?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Hi George. It's great to be back on coast

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Speaker 3: with you, you know, And I had no idea that our

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Speaker 3: friend Richard Dolan was going to set up our conversation

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Speaker 3: so well.

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Speaker 2: He did a great job. You guys have known each

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Speaker 2: other for years, haven't you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we have, and we've even had a few opportunities,

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Speaker 4: including on the Oregon coast, to have some deep discussions

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Speaker 4: about tonight's topic.

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Speaker 2: What have you been up to over the last eight years?

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Speaker 3: Well, George, you know, like you, I'm a grandfather. Well,

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Speaker 3: I think you're also a great.

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Speaker 2: Grandfather three times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. Well, something happened. I think when I

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Speaker 3: became a grandfather. You know, being a parent and all

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Speaker 3: the busyness of work and trying to like figure it

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Speaker 3: out and get things going for the family tends to

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Speaker 3: distract you a bit. But I think becoming a grandfather

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Speaker 3: made me observe a little bit more about what's going

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Speaker 3: on in our world and how it's influencing people in general,

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Speaker 3: but more specifically the young ones. And I am absolutely

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Speaker 3: convinced that our little planet is in the midst of

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Speaker 3: a spiritual crisis. It might be better termed a spiritual battle,

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Speaker 3: but it's taking a great toll on our youth and

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Speaker 3: our young adults. I see it in my own family.

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Speaker 3: I observe it in the family of friends and others,

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Speaker 3: and you know, just everywhere you look, it seems like,

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Speaker 3: you know, these these young people are having unprecedented rates

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Speaker 3: of depression, anxiety, a feeling hopeless, a feeling like they

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Speaker 3: have no meaning and purpose in their lives. And it's

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Speaker 3: just happening at such a startling rate that something really

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Speaker 3: big is going on and I want to help fix that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I term this problem the God sized

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Speaker 3: hole in the heart of these young people. So I've

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Speaker 3: been collaborating with a group of elders from several countries,

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Speaker 3: each of whom recognize that we have this spiritual crisis,

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Speaker 3: but also who recognize that there are some some very

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Speaker 3: interesting teachings from extraterrestrials who've been visiting this planet that

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Speaker 3: had to deal with human history in great detail, and

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Speaker 3: that also has some profound things to say about religion

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Speaker 3: and the cosmic understandings of true religion and insights on

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Speaker 3: how that can be brought to bear on the spiritual

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Speaker 3: problem on little planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, So how did you get involved in all.

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Speaker 3: Of this, Joel, Well, you know, I had for many

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Speaker 3: years I had been educating about breakthrough energy technologies, and

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Speaker 3: how I came around to that actually was part of

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Speaker 3: what solidified my faith in God. You know, the whole

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Speaker 3: topic of ETS to begin with, became of interest to

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Speaker 3: me when I was not quite a teenager back in

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Speaker 3: the early seventies. I grew up on a little apple

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Speaker 3: And then after about twenty minutes, those three colored lights

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Speaker 3: And it really made an impact on me because you know,

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Speaker 3: I've always be koind of one of those you know,

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Speaker 3: turned out that in the early seventies, at that same time,

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Speaker 2: We know him, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So I got him on the phone and

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Speaker 3: he said, yeah, we've been having some activity up here,

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Speaker 3: he said, why don't you just come on up and

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Speaker 3: So I went up there with five of my very

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Speaker 3: close friends. This is November at two thousand. It was

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Speaker 3: as we're sitting there, gradually this this perfect circular hole

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Speaker 3: that there were these bell shaped objects. I would say,

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Speaker 3: if you were to make a circle with your outstretched arms.

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Speaker 3: They were about that size, one of them hovering just

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Speaker 3: I was up there. It was a very very dark night.

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Speaker 3: was a new moon, pitch black, and this, this large

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Speaker 3: but it certainly appeared quite large. Well, this bright white

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Speaker 3: I've always been hungry for answers to the big questions.

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Speaker 3: You know. Those would include what are the origins, history,

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Speaker 2: You've questioned the BANG theory.

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, so, I would say this, George, I question

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Speaker 3: and I think it has a particular bearing on this

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Speaker 3: that the most shining example I've been able to come

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Speaker 3: a relatively obscure book called the Urantia Book.

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Speaker 2: And you've done a great job analyzing that book.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been a twenty year study for me, But

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Speaker 3: I'm a neophyte compared to some of the elders who

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Speaker 3: these are not kooky people. These are very high intellect individuals,

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Speaker 3: many of them with advanced university degrees, most of them

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Speaker 3: it is so dagone important that we get to the

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Speaker 2: Explain to those who do not know what that book is, Joel,

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Speaker 3: there's some really really big questions, you know, like the origins,

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Speaker 3: humanity itself. You know, who is God or what is God?

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Speaker 3: You know, what's really the nature of reality? And such?

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Speaker 3: Including even something like okay, you know, here, here's this

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Speaker 3: are do not adequately satisfy my questions here, cause I

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Speaker 3: found them essentially incomplete, inconsistent, or incoherent or all three.

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Speaker 3: But what I find remarkably about the Ranier book is

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Speaker 3: it addresses these big questions in a beautifully intelligent and

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Speaker 3: an articulated way that makes sense. George. It is a

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Speaker 3: also very coherent, and so it blends topics on science, lust, being,

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Speaker 3: And I've read an awful lot of books in my day,

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Speaker 2: Now, I was written in Chicago. Has anybody taken credit

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Speaker 3: It has never. It has never had any claim of

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Speaker 3: extracts from the two thousand page book and publish it

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Speaker 3: as a separate Life and Teachings of Jesus. And so

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Speaker 3: there became this this copyright court case about that, and

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Speaker 3: came out in court was that there is no provable

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Speaker 3: basically the court said, okay, yeah, it's uh, it's extraterrestrial

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Speaker 3: that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: You're one of the few scientists, Joel, that believes in God.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, I would say this, George, any scientist who

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Speaker 3: and in fact, most of them were Christians. And you

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Speaker 3: they made fundamental discoveries in physics, chemistry, electromagnetism, astronomy, microbiology,

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Speaker 3: laureates between the years nineteen hundred and two thousand, fifty

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Speaker 3: six percent of those Nobel laureates and sciences fields were Christians,

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