Speaker 1: We's abning, we's abning. What's abning? It's your boy, big Steeal.
Speaker 1: I gotta fly solo today, man, and my boy is
Speaker 1: gonna be mad. Man. I'm covering from my boy. I
Speaker 1: had to do it though, covering from my boy m
Speaker 1: C eight today. He got some stuff going on, but
Speaker 1: he'd be back with us next week. But anyway, it's
Speaker 1: not too many times, you know what. I get excited
Speaker 1: with every guest that we have on here, man, but
Speaker 1: it's very very rare. Did I get somebody on? Man?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back being a little kid man
Speaker 1: going to Thomas Jefferson man with my boombox, with my
Speaker 1: ghetto blast man bumping the fat boys. I can't even
Speaker 1: get my human beat box on no more. I see
Speaker 1: I can't get it right. I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it as good as you can. You bless
Speaker 1: me one time with a little something.
Speaker 2: Man, Dude. I never Buff never taught me. Buff never
Speaker 2: dot me.
Speaker 1: You never do you never You never learned how to
Speaker 1: human beatbox?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he never never taught me, man. I just I
Speaker 2: just watched them the distance.
Speaker 1: Man. We got the legendary man cool rock Ski Man
Speaker 1: from the Fat Boys from the Disco Three, then the
Speaker 1: Fat Boys, a real, real legend in the game with
Speaker 1: true legend. You know, people running around with that term
Speaker 1: legend man, and I think it's overly used when you say,
Speaker 1: it's very.
Speaker 2: Over legend the world. Yeah, the word legend the world
Speaker 2: goat overly everybody's a goat and bodies of legend. You
Speaker 2: know you are. I think that the group is legendary
Speaker 2: and we came from legendary times, you understand. So I
Speaker 2: think the Moniker that have to be greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to cover all bases within the
Speaker 2: realms of rap hip hop. So I think I don't
Speaker 2: think there's a true goat. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of guys who are top tier when it comes to
Speaker 2: lyrics and even DJing, but I don't think they could
Speaker 2: be one true best. They can't be. It's too many
Speaker 2: that came out from you know, from the eighties, nineties,
Speaker 2: two thousands, So they can never be one great because
Speaker 2: it's gonna if you put that person that's saying he's
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time, you're gonna see, well, he
Speaker 2: didn't cover this base, he didn't cover that base, you understand.
Speaker 2: So I don't think they could be. They can ever
Speaker 2: be one greatest of all time, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeh probably. Now you know what, if it's uncomfortable holding
Speaker 1: it that way, you could put it back how it was.
Speaker 2: Bro No, be good? Oh what good?
Speaker 1: You're good? Okay? Yeah, the thing is this, man, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, But then again, I have to look
Speaker 1: at it like this from the Eric y'all come from
Speaker 1: one from the Eritic y'all come from bro from the area.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember y'all was around. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: like exception, especially when hip hop became kind of commercialized.
Speaker 1: You always like the first, you know, like mainstream group,
Speaker 1: one of the first. You guys are run DMC. Right.
Speaker 1: I would have to say that you guys are gold
Speaker 1: because it wasn't that many people around. I think it
Speaker 1: was harder back then because you guys were building something
Speaker 1: that wasn't in existence before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we came from the era we was
Speaker 2: like the second tier. So let's go back to the
Speaker 2: era of the seventies. I would say seventy eight, seventy nine,
Speaker 2: eighty eighty one, eighty two. You had groups like Splash
Speaker 2: in the series five, you had Touchers three, Fantastic Romantic five.
Speaker 2: You had Couch four, you had BUSB, you had love
Speaker 2: Buck Starsky, you had Curtis Blow Yeah, Funky four plus one.
Speaker 2: So you had an array of rap groups and rappers
Speaker 2: that came out of New York and most of them
Speaker 2: came out of the Bronx, were from Brooklyn, most of
Speaker 2: them came out of the Bronx from Bronx and Hall
Speaker 2: them and so bun DMC coming out of the Queens in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three with Suckmsdeeds and so we pretty much
Speaker 2: with the second tier. We came maybe eighty four right
Speaker 2: after run DMC had maybe a couple of hits. Then
Speaker 2: come Arst and Udini and Rundy, I mean luj Beastie Boys, Publicademy,
Speaker 2: in an array of different rap groups and rappers coming along,
Speaker 2: every being rock YIM EPMD. So we were just I
Speaker 2: would say, we just we just learned a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff from our predecessors, which were, like I said, Flashing
Speaker 2: the threies five and those guys, and we just took
Speaker 2: what they They kind of handed us the baton that
Speaker 2: we ran with the Remember you got realized that there
Speaker 2: was no marketing for sugar Hill game Run and then
Speaker 2: in Flash series five and Curtis Blow. All these guys.
Speaker 2: Once we came into the game and led by Run DMC,
Speaker 2: that's when the marketing and money started coming in. So
Speaker 2: that's where we came in as far as pushing the
Speaker 2: culture forward with the rap tours. The first rap tour
Speaker 2: which was the first Festival one and two which consisted
Speaker 2: of Fat Boys, Run DMC who Denie, Curtis Blow and
Speaker 2: Nucleus So and the second tour was the same thing,
Speaker 2: and we added on Flashing series five and so it
Speaker 2: was it was a thing where rappers starting to explode.
Speaker 2: By the time Crush Groove came out, that's when raps
Speaker 2: started to really take off. The movie Crush Grove and
Speaker 2: the way of everybody wanted to be rapper exactly. So
Speaker 2: it was I wouldn't say we were goats. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say that we we put We was pushing the full
Speaker 2: pushing the culture forward.
Speaker 1: So you don't have to say it, Brumer, say it
Speaker 1: for you. I'm gonna tell you. On so many levels, man,
Speaker 1: while you guys were important, you guys paved the way
Speaker 1: later on for the mc hammers on up to the
Speaker 1: you know, even talk about today. The mega started, like
Speaker 1: the Drake, the Kendrick Lamar, you know, the mega started
Speaker 1: the people that are just on a whole nother you know,
Speaker 1: and the whole nother stratosphere. And it was very important.
Speaker 1: I remember man seeing the fresh fest Man in Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and I remember being, so, do you remember that show?
Speaker 1: You probably did so many of them, you don't remember
Speaker 1: that one?
Speaker 2: Remember the show in Cleveland, Ohio? Let me see. Let
Speaker 2: me see. We did a couple of shows in Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 2: But that's where I met. If you're familiar with the
Speaker 2: group Men at Large, do you know who they are? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So I met one of the guys for Men at
Speaker 2: Large and that was my first time I think, on
Speaker 2: the Cleveland So I don't think that was the I
Speaker 2: think that was down the road though. But the first
Speaker 2: fresh Fest going to Cleveland, I probably vaguely remember. We
Speaker 2: were going to stow Man. We're so young, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So we're going to so many different places.
Speaker 2: What I mean, what was the capacity of the place
Speaker 2: that we played in? Was it h was it five
Speaker 2: thousand seed or twenty twelve thousand?
Speaker 1: Man? I think the fresh fest Man if I had
Speaker 1: to go back and think about it, man, it might
Speaker 1: have been five or six thousand people. I know, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, I was, whatever it was, it was pack
Speaker 1: and I had never seen that many people in my
Speaker 1: life in one place. And just the energy of it,
Speaker 1: because you know, it was so new, just the feel
Speaker 1: of the energy of everything. I would have to say, Man,
Speaker 1: back then, I think the performances were way better. I
Speaker 1: think the performances were very much more choreographed. I think
Speaker 1: it was just a lot better. You know, you see
Speaker 1: these guys now, it's one hundred dudes standing on stage.
Speaker 1: You don't know who the rapperls and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just a dude walking back and forth for the most part.
Speaker 1: With the average rapper. Now, there are some exceptional performers
Speaker 1: out here today, some brothers that get busy. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say they all trash. But then you had to
Speaker 1: come with it. Everybody came with it back then.
Speaker 2: I think back then, well, well back then for me,
Speaker 2: it was a thing where if you didn't have a
Speaker 2: good record, you had to have a good stage show.
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, so, but wellbe we rephras
Speaker 2: that if your record wasn't really selling, it wasn't that popular.
Speaker 2: Who had to have had to have a really good
Speaker 2: stage show in order to compete with those who were
Speaker 2: selling and who were popular. So a lot of the times,
Speaker 2: a lot of rappers who got on stage with us
Speaker 2: in one DMC and Houdini and others, they didn't have
Speaker 2: big record sales, but they can perform their asses off.
Speaker 2: So that's what propelled them down the line to start
Speaker 2: selling records because they went all out. They didn't hold
Speaker 2: nothing back. I think what we have now is a
Speaker 2: lot of cats who were just getting on stage and
Speaker 2: just mimic, you know, wrapping over their vocals and letting
Speaker 2: the crowd do the rapping for them or doing the
Speaker 2: performance for them. You know, they'll put the mic up
Speaker 2: to the crowd and like you know that. You can
Speaker 2: pretty much get online and have somebody do that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But you know, so you can
Speaker 2: have it all. You can have an i G and
Speaker 2: have people just coming your I G and do something
Speaker 2: like that. But I think there's a lot of great
Speaker 2: entertainers as far as rappers. D m X was a
Speaker 2: really really great and yeah, yeah, yeah, that whole hip hop.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, bro no, I just said he personified like that,
Speaker 2: that whole hip hop or as far as him just
Speaker 2: being just on stage and just the one man band
Speaker 2: or like a one man record machine, and he just
Speaker 2: like he was the ahead of me of what hip
Speaker 2: hop is, you understand. So with him in LL and
Speaker 2: guys like ice Cube and and and you see guys
Speaker 2: like that on stage and it just drip hip hop.
Speaker 2: He understands. So that's what that's what performances is all about,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you know what? I'm gonna give you one example, man.
Speaker 1: I think it's because a lot of these a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, they man, they just kind of stumbling
Speaker 1: to record deals, right, they stumbling, not their professional right,
Speaker 1: and all of a suddenly in front of fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: thousand people, and nobody is really taught them. I think
Speaker 1: a classic example of that is T Grizzly. It's young
Speaker 1: rapper now out of Detroit. I love T Grizzly. I
Speaker 1: love the record he had, I love the way, I
Speaker 1: love his energy, I love his lyricism. But you can
Speaker 1: tell when he was new, he had this record that
Speaker 1: was going viral, and he was just kind of thrusting
Speaker 1: the spot, like and he was just on stage with
Speaker 1: the mic holding it, like, just kind of standing there
Speaker 1: in the crowd, was singing the record and he was
Speaker 1: just kind of just standing And I said, man, when
Speaker 1: they start doing that, yeah.
Speaker 2: He had to. When we were going out on tour
Speaker 2: and doing shows, we had rehearsal. You had to rehearse.
Speaker 2: You couldn't just go out there and win it. You know,
Speaker 2: you couldn't just rely on the crowd. You couldn't just
Speaker 2: rely on yourself being popular and selling records and having
Speaker 2: a popular song or a popular album and just going
Speaker 2: on stage and just standing there, because after two to
Speaker 2: three minutes, the crowd is gonna look at you like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's next, because you're not doing anything you understand. So
Speaker 2: you might even get booed in some cases or some cities.
Speaker 2: But I've heard of tem Grizzly. I know he's big
Speaker 2: with the gaming stuff online. But you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of cats like that who just who are
Speaker 2: thrust on stage and it's like, okay, here's the stage.
Speaker 2: You got a popular song, and you got a hit
Speaker 2: record or you hit song. Ever, now just do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do. And you can't you gotta put together
Speaker 2: a show. You gotta do rehearsal, the whole, the whole,
Speaker 2: the whole thing with crowd participation is cool, but after
Speaker 2: a while it starts to play itself out because from
Speaker 2: city to city that you go to, somebody's gonna go
Speaker 2: to the next city and say, Yo, his song is dope,
Speaker 2: but his performance sucks, and the word gonna start getting around,
Speaker 2: and now you can go viral being being Hordbor on stage.
Speaker 2: It is not it can't be. It's not just the
Speaker 2: word of mouth thing anymore. You can go viral. Somebody
Speaker 2: can have a cameraphone and you know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: and be like and that that can really mess up
Speaker 2: your career. So you got to You gotta put together
Speaker 2: a show. You can't just win it. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell you, man, what the thing is
Speaker 1: too that the internet messed up. I remember Cancer be
Speaker 1: on their promo tour and they would say the same
Speaker 1: rep every city that you know, they go to a
Speaker 1: different city in Denver, they say the same rap on
Speaker 1: the radio. They go to text, they say the same rep.
Speaker 1: Now you do that, now, man, you gonna get this radio.
Speaker 1: You canna be on the Internet. They're like, man, let's
Speaker 1: do the saying the same rhyme every every city. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you gotta be on point now, man,
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot more pressure nowadays. Man, you
Speaker 1: gotta come with it every time.
Speaker 2: It's not more question, it's not more quessure because all
Speaker 2: the eyes are on you now, the world is on
Speaker 2: you because you're on social media, you understand. So social
Speaker 2: media is not that it's not just a domestic tool.
Speaker 2: It's it's a worldwide tool. So you can't just keep
Speaker 2: doing the same thing, can keep doing something stupid or
Speaker 2: something unprofessional, because it's going to reach the whole world.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not just it's not just gonna reach
Speaker 2: your neighborhood, you know. So a lot of people got
Speaker 2: a misconception about social media, thinking, oh, it's only the
Speaker 2: people that's following me that's watching me. Because once you
Speaker 2: make something go viral, everybody's watching it. So if you're
Speaker 2: doing something idiotic, the whole world is watching you, understand. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: so you gotta be mindful of yourself as an audience
Speaker 2: on the things you do on state because might it
Speaker 2: might propel you if you're doing something good and it
Speaker 2: might harm you if you're doing something bad and unprofessional.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Now I was talking to you offline.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We were talking and we just had the fifty years
Speaker 1: of hip hop, man, and I was really upset, man,
Speaker 1: because they they you know, the fat boys, groups like
Speaker 1: the Fat Boys, groups like Houdini, just all of these
Speaker 1: pivotal groups, Man, that laid the foundation for what hip
Speaker 1: hop is today. For to even be a fifty years
Speaker 1: you know, you guys were in the area when they
Speaker 1: was talking about. Man, this is a fat it's not
Speaker 1: gonna last long, but y'all came with it, and y'all
Speaker 1: made it an industry. Y'all, y'all created You guys were
Speaker 1: at the exception at the forefront of a billion dollar,
Speaker 1: multi bigion dollar industry, right. And I didn't hear no
Speaker 1: mention of the fat boys. Man kissed me off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get the call. I talked to y'all
Speaker 2: live from Houdini. He didn't get the call from a
Speaker 2: lot of shows that were going on. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, a lot of the shows that I heard about,
Speaker 2: people was coming back to me saying, Yo, they offered
Speaker 2: me like fifteen hundred dollars offered me like two thousand,
Speaker 2: you know, seventeen hundred, and I'm like, well, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that, you understand. So it's a thing where I
Speaker 2: wasn't really reaching out because I already knew the twicis so,
Speaker 2: and I had a couple of people reach out to
Speaker 2: me and you know, like eight hundred to like twenty
Speaker 2: three hundred. I'm like, dude, I'm not I'm good. I'm
Speaker 2: not going out what I'm saying, and it's not just
Speaker 2: we did it. Yeah, it's very disrespectful, and we did
Speaker 2: it for the culture. So when people try to use that, oh,
Speaker 2: do it for the culture, bs, I'm like, we did
Speaker 2: it for the culture in eighty when we first started
Speaker 2: the contract and we put our hit records that we
Speaker 2: did crutch for we did this orders, so we did
Speaker 2: it for the culture already. So why can't we be
Speaker 2: paid for what we put out there already.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell you that that promoter is telling
Speaker 1: you to do it for the culture. He's not doing
Speaker 1: it for doing it to get.
Speaker 2: Paid exactly exactly. And a lot of these cats were
Speaker 2: a lot of these promoters. On the fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 2: hip hop or doing it to put money in their pockets.
Speaker 2: So everywhere you went, everything was a fiftieth anniversary, where
Speaker 2: before a year prior to that, you see nothing about that.
Speaker 2: Now everybody was trying to hop on the bandwagon, because
Speaker 2: in twenty and twenty four, what two twenty three it was,
Speaker 2: I think it was everybody was talking about the fifty
Speaker 2: University of hip Hop, and I thought people was just
Speaker 2: using it, you know, and milking it for all it
Speaker 2: was worth, because a lot of people didn't know even
Speaker 2: when hip hop even started to even say the fiftieth
Speaker 2: Anniversity of hip.
Speaker 1: Hop, but a lot of people.
Speaker 2: So I fell back from a lot of Yeah, I
Speaker 2: fell back from a lot of shows, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm good. I don't need your little twenty three hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: I'm good over here. So you know, so I didn't
Speaker 2: even participate in a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very disrespectful.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I take what I do very serious, man, because I
Speaker 1: feel like we're documenting history right here. So when we
Speaker 1: do have the one hundred years of hip hop, they
Speaker 1: would be able to go back for the first time
Speaker 1: in human history, they would be able to go back
Speaker 1: to fifty years ago to see Okay, who were the
Speaker 1: Fat Boys? Okay, you know the last member of the
Speaker 1: Fat Boys, the last five member. You know, he's on
Speaker 1: this show called The gangst the Chronicles. We can go
Speaker 1: back and kind of get the history. With that being said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do justus because this may be in the
Speaker 1: time capful. They may be looking at this interview twenty
Speaker 1: years from now. You feel me, So, I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning man of the Fat Boys, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and not to do the traditional thing. But
Speaker 1: but how did y'all meet?
Speaker 2: Man? Like?
Speaker 1: Like, how did the Fat Boys look up?
Speaker 2: Me and Mark grew up together? I was eight and
Speaker 2: uncle seven. Oh. I met Buff like around I was
Speaker 2: thirteen or going on thirteen year Buff was going on.
Speaker 2: When I was thirteen, Buff was going Buff was going
Speaker 2: on thirteen that summer I met him and Mark was twelve.
Speaker 2: So we met one another and we kind of bonded easily.
Speaker 2: We just bonded with all the kids in the block
Speaker 2: that we grew up with, maybe like about fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty of us that was running around together. It was
Speaker 2: us three that was always together. And I loved for football.
Speaker 2: We had a huge love for football. At first. That
Speaker 2: was our passion was playing football. So we you know,
Speaker 2: through junior high school on into high school. We're playing
Speaker 2: football in the weekends and I joined the team, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't play the position I wanted to play. I
Speaker 2: left the team, and being that Buff went to the
Speaker 2: same high school with me, he left the team also.
Speaker 2: Mark went to a different high school and we went
Speaker 2: to a school high school called Thomas Jefferson High School.
Speaker 2: Mark went to a high school called Narci and so
Speaker 2: we were always interrap though always inter rap because being
Speaker 2: that Buff was a beat box, and we discovered he
Speaker 2: was a beatbox one day he had moved on the block.
Speaker 2: When Buff first moved on the block, there was a
Speaker 2: song called a Field a Heartbeat by Treacherous Three, and
Speaker 2: being that Kumo d was one of my favorite MCNs,
Speaker 2: I started reciting his rohms in one of the mini
Speaker 2: lots that we had on our block, and Buff started
Speaker 2: beat boxing and was me buffing another childhood friend by
Speaker 2: the name of Jimmy, and we were like, yo, what
Speaker 2: was that sound you made? And he did it again,
Speaker 2: So we started checking his pockets to see if he
Speaker 2: had a gadget in his pocket or something, because we
Speaker 2: just thought he was weird by doing it because it
Speaker 2: was so powerful. It wasn't that he was doing something
Speaker 2: like mimicking something. He was He sounded like an actual drum.
Speaker 2: And this is like a fourteen year old kid. So
Speaker 2: once we found out he had no gadgets in his pockets,
Speaker 2: nothing like that, We're like, oh, this guy's it's weird,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because he's a new kid
Speaker 2: on the block. And so man, it became really cool.
Speaker 2: We became really close and I introduced him to Mark,
Speaker 2: and Mark Mark became good friends with him, and we
Speaker 2: just started hanging out together all the time. So you
Speaker 2: fast forward to our freshman year in high school. Me
Speaker 2: and Boffer in the same high school and his brother
Speaker 2: had turntables. His brother had two certain tables and the
Speaker 2: mixer and the microphone. And when his brother would go
Speaker 2: to work, his brother was like maybe six seventy years
Speaker 2: older than him. When his brother would go to work,
Speaker 2: we would skip our last period class in high school
Speaker 2: and go to Buff's house and you know, just use
Speaker 2: the turntables and I get on the mic and wrap
Speaker 2: and Mark could do the same thing. And his brother
Speaker 2: would come home for work, me like around six o'clock
Speaker 2: in the evening, and the first thing he would do
Speaker 2: he would feel the mixer see if somebody was using it,
Speaker 2: and nine times out of ten we were using it.
Speaker 2: And he would just beat the hell like a pop
Speaker 2: for me and Markuld laughing walk his brother's the Mark.
Speaker 2: But it was all in fun. So one day my
Speaker 2: sister said, because we became known around the block for
Speaker 2: the guys who were rapping, because we called ourselves the
Speaker 2: disco three. And one day my sister drove up, my
Speaker 2: older sister and she said, you guys are always doing
Speaker 2: all this rapping on the porch every time I pull up.
Speaker 2: She said, I just heard about the rapping dance contest
Speaker 2: in the radio. Y'all should enter that. So like rapping
Speaker 2: dance contest. So we heard the commercial for the contest
Speaker 2: maybe two days later on the radio. So we decided
Speaker 2: to go to the Bronx. And we're living in Brooklyn
Speaker 2: and the disco fever where the contest is held as
Speaker 2: in the Bronx, and it's really our first time really
Speaker 2: going up to the blunks, even that we're from New York.
Speaker 2: We never been to the block. We went to manhat,
Speaker 2: but never to the blunks. So we go up there.
Speaker 2: We sneak up there rather and and we went there,
Speaker 2: and so we go up there. We went up there
Speaker 2: with another rap troop. They were going up there to
Speaker 2: try to win the first place bride, which was a
Speaker 2: sporting deal, and we were just going up to support them.
Speaker 2: But you with everything that happened, you know, I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: I'm not guessing. God just put us in the right
Speaker 2: place because he you know what I'm saying. So a
Speaker 2: security guard came over and said, Yo, you guys are next,
Speaker 2: like next to do? What next? To go on? Stay?
Speaker 2: She said, what are you guys name? We said Disco three.
Speaker 2: He started laughing. He said, we're given a name like
Speaker 2: Disco three, it's our name. So we went up there
Speaker 2: and me and Mark started freestyle rapping, and then Buff
Speaker 2: came up with the beat box and that place went crazy,
Speaker 2: and so we wanted to semi finals, and two weeks
Speaker 2: later was the finals. We won that, which was a
Speaker 2: recording contract, and second place was Dark Iced and King
Speaker 2: Go from UTFO. They were in the contest as well.
Speaker 2: They came in second place in the rap category and
Speaker 2: we won that. We wanted the DJ equipment, just like
Speaker 2: people seen in the movie Crush Moven wanted the DJ equipment,
Speaker 2: but we settled for the record contract, of course, and
Speaker 2: we put out our first song, which is a so
Speaker 2: called reality and it didn't even sell maybe two thousand copies. Man,
Speaker 2: if it's so two thousand copies that of course the
Speaker 2: management boarding. But it flopped, so we kind of regrouped.
Speaker 2: We went back and got our manager, went and got
Speaker 2: Curtis Blow, and Curtis blowed to the first song, which
Speaker 2: was Fat Boys. In the B side was Human Be Bops.
Speaker 2: People knew it as Stickham and we took off from there.
Speaker 2: So it was a hit record and after that we
Speaker 2: never Bruce Stickham.
Speaker 1: Bruce Stickham was something else. What was that called?
Speaker 2: Oh, it was called the Human be Box for people
Speaker 2: know it as BP stick You know, damn right.
Speaker 1: There, you know what, man, So it's just like the
Speaker 1: movie pretty much.
Speaker 2: Then, right exactly exactly the fact that day you know
Speaker 2: it was it was elaborated that saying I didn't want
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I didn't want to do the contests and
Speaker 2: the stuff like that. So you know, it's Hollywood. They're
Speaker 2: gonna put together a storyline. But other than that everything
Speaker 2: of us in the content.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I'm saying. So y'all, y'all got
Speaker 1: this thing going on, y'all get y'all first record deal.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the contract was was probably.
Speaker 2: Bump, contract sucked, contract shucked. But you know, at the time,
Speaker 2: we didn't know. You know, we're like sixteen, seventeen years old,
Speaker 2: and uh so, what's signing anything? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because we signed on the pretensions of our managers just saying, hey,
Speaker 2: just signed this and signed our paying us still't know anything.
Speaker 2: Our parents are like, what's that show called the Beverly
Speaker 2: Hill Billies. They don't know what the hell is going on,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, record No kids, it didn't
Speaker 2: look they didn't even know what rap even was, so
Speaker 2: they just they just thought we were making a bunch
Speaker 2: of noise. They were like, I don't know what you got,
Speaker 2: just saying, but you know, if you call that music,
Speaker 2: so be it. But I mean, we were getting good
Speaker 2: money because we were on a record label that was
Speaker 2: pretty much mob related, sending them off your kind of man,
Speaker 2: the label kind of thing. So our first two albums
Speaker 2: was on that label, and our third album. We left
Speaker 2: the label and went to another label after that. But
Speaker 2: so we was pretty much getting whatever we wanted. But
Speaker 2: our manager just thought the label just had was given
Speaker 2: us too much and he wanted full control of the group.
Speaker 2: So we pretty much forfeited our third album, which sold
Speaker 2: like maybe I think almost platinum, and we left that
Speaker 2: label and went to another label. You know, we had
Speaker 2: to because our forfeiting the album mean that we had
Speaker 2: to turn over that album. So we're on an independent label.
Speaker 2: So we're selling each album, our first three albums is
Speaker 2: selling in excess of maybe eight hundred to eight hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand copies per album. Now this is
Speaker 2: the early eighties, eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, you're
Speaker 2: selling those kinds of records that I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: this artist right now who can't even sell those kind
Speaker 2: of problem right exactly. So we're selling and we're on
Speaker 2: an independent label, which means they really have no overhead.
Speaker 2: So that means each album, the albums that we're selling,
Speaker 2: they're making at least about a good five point six
Speaker 2: million copies at this album off each album.
Speaker 1: You understand, records back then probably was going for what
Speaker 1: like ten dollars apart.
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say at least about seven
Speaker 2: to about I would say seven to about, maybe ten
Speaker 2: dollars ten dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say they was getting four dollars whole sale,
Speaker 1: and that's being you know, on the light side, right right,
Speaker 1: And they're still eight hundred thousand records. That means they
Speaker 1: were making three point two million, at least three million
Speaker 1: dollars every time they drop the alb on y'all back.
Speaker 1: Then they're probably still eating off your records.
Speaker 2: Of course, because we don't own our masters. We don't
Speaker 2: own our masters. And that's what I'm fighting to do now,
Speaker 2: try to get back our masters. But but you know
Speaker 2: how that ends up sometimes, but you get the master's back,
Speaker 2: so I don't want to fight too hard. But you know,
Speaker 2: so we don't own the masters, that we really can't
Speaker 2: control anything, you know what I mean. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's the thing about the music industry, it's pretty much
Speaker 2: a popularity contest. So it's it's pretty much like you're
Speaker 2: paying to be popular, you know, because but it's all
Speaker 2: said and done, you have to fight to get it
Speaker 2: back what you recorded. But here's the thing, here's here's
Speaker 2: it's a double ed sword. The labels are looking at
Speaker 2: it like, we put the money into the project. We
Speaker 2: put the money into the studio time, we put the
Speaker 2: money into the videos, we put the money into the motion.
Speaker 2: We put the money into everything, and all you did
Speaker 2: was record the songs. Right, So they're looking at it
Speaker 2: like you U should be happy with what we gave you.
Speaker 2: So that's when. So that's where of advances coming at.
Speaker 2: And advances can really destroy any and it can leave
Speaker 2: you in debt with the record company or with the
Speaker 2: with the label for damn there forever. Because while you're
Speaker 2: going back and forth and I need two hundred thousand here,
Speaker 2: I need half a million, here, I need seven hundred
Speaker 2: thousand here, I need whatever here, all you're doing is
Speaker 2: drowning yourself in debt. You understand, saying so everything exactly,
Speaker 2: so it's better suggest not taking no with ampsts. You understand.
Speaker 2: But you at the same time, you gotta eat. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing where I tell all artists do shows,
Speaker 2: stay on tour. You understand. Travis Scott stays on tour,
Speaker 2: you know, saying, so you gotta do shows because you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get paid. Oh, at what point we were
Speaker 2: the highest paid group, So we was getting anywhere from
Speaker 2: forty five to fifty thousand per show and side shows,
Speaker 2: yeah back then, and side shows was a promoter just
Speaker 2: wanted us to come out. We were charging like seventy thousand,
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars just to do a half hour show,
Speaker 2: you know, So we were getting pretty good money per show.
Speaker 2: I mean a few times that now that's like, damn
Speaker 2: near what four hundred thousand push show and.
Speaker 1: You're all along with run DMC was really hip hops
Speaker 1: because Curtis Blue wasn't getting no money like that was he?
Speaker 2: I don't think he was getting that kind of money
Speaker 2: per show at the time. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: be disrespectful to him, just saying what was what was
Speaker 2: available to him financially financially wise back then. But I
Speaker 2: would probably think at the height of his popularity, he
Speaker 2: was probably getting the least about a good seventy five
Speaker 2: hundred and eight thousand per show. You know, I'm just speculating.
Speaker 2: But the more our stock grew and the more popular
Speaker 2: we became, the more in high demand we became, the
Speaker 2: more money we started getting. And you had we had
Speaker 2: a manager who was a Pitbull, you know. And I
Speaker 2: was always telling artists this as well. Your manager supposed
Speaker 2: to work for you. And if your manager wants to
Speaker 2: get your manager wants to get paid, so he's gonna
Speaker 2: make sure you get paid. And one thing about our manager,
Speaker 2: he kept us on tour. He kept us doing shows,
Speaker 2: you know, and a lot of people back then thought
Speaker 2: he was just using us. But it was a thing
Speaker 2: where no, we was getting paid, but we was just
Speaker 2: we was we was overworked, you know, we were overworke.
Speaker 2: So we didn't really we didn't have a team. Our manager,
Speaker 2: Charlie Steller, he was in the movie Cluster School when
Speaker 2: he was trying to take run Away from Russell, which
Speaker 2: was played by Blair Underwood. So the white guy with
Speaker 2: the beard and the bald head, that was our manager
Speaker 2: in real life. And so yeah, he his his thing
Speaker 2: was to get paid, so he wanted to get paid,
Speaker 2: so he kept us on show. The only thing about
Speaker 2: it was we were overworked, and we were we were everywhere,
Speaker 2: you know. And but once we started to settle down
Speaker 2: at the really at the ages of like twenty two
Speaker 2: years old, because the propularities started to dwell, started started
Speaker 2: slowing down rather and you know, so we we were
Speaker 2: still young. Though we were still younger, we could still
Speaker 2: have fun. We missed a lot of things in our
Speaker 2: our teenage years as far as going to the plum,
Speaker 2: going to clutch, hanging out with friends. But one thing
Speaker 2: about the industry, the music industry or the industry as
Speaker 2: a whole, when you were a fifteen, fourteen, sixteen year
Speaker 2: old kid, it forces you to grow up real quickly,
Speaker 2: and it forces you to have a whole lot of
Speaker 2: freaking responsibility because you're making money. You're now in a
Speaker 2: business where you have to make money for a lot
Speaker 2: of people, you understand, So whether it be the record company,
Speaker 2: it be the the promoters, it be your family. So
Speaker 2: you got to you it's a lot of responsibility for
Speaker 2: people so young when they get into it. And we
Speaker 2: were like the youngest group out there at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, so we had a lot of responsibility back then.
Speaker 1: It had to be a lot There had to be
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Let me ask you this, man,
Speaker 1: I assume with you guys getting that much money when
Speaker 1: y'all were young, y'all some cats coming from Brooklyn. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure y'all didn't come from Wilfy house. So
Speaker 1: did y'all ever start having problems with family and close
Speaker 1: loved ones behind money.
Speaker 2: No. My mother, my mother and father, they were really
Speaker 2: we were really stirring with a lot of things. My
Speaker 2: father came they both I'm from Brooklyn, I'm born and
Speaker 2: raised in New York. My mother and father's from the South.
Speaker 2: They're from Florida. So they had a lot of really
Speaker 2: Southern ways, hardcore Southern ways. And you know, my father
Speaker 2: kind of ruled with the iron fist. You know, he
Speaker 2: was a construction worker and so he was he was
Speaker 2: he had his hands were like bricks. So the last
Speaker 2: thing was I was getting in trouble because you know,
Speaker 2: he'll smacked fire out of you. But my mother, she
Speaker 2: took care of the finances and who I got like
Speaker 2: maybe nineteen twenty years old, but and she made sure
Speaker 2: or she had to make sure because the record company
Speaker 2: had we had to set aside money for when we
Speaker 2: got twenty to twenty one years old, and so that
Speaker 2: was part of her job to keep that. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: so all three of us had parents who were sterned
Speaker 2: as far as keeping the voltures away. You know. Of
Speaker 2: course my brothers. I took care of my brothers. You know,
Speaker 2: that's my brothers. So we all grew up together and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But you know, outsiders coming in and
Speaker 2: trying to get money, and in a lot of business ventures.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Yo, man, you give me twenty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, I can open up this car wash? Does
Speaker 2: you give me thirty thousand? But you gotta go to
Speaker 2: my mom's and ask for that, and they didn't want
Speaker 2: to do that, so she was started like my force field.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, man, So I guess they here
Speaker 1: because in acting they have something called the Cougan law
Speaker 1: that you had to put his money because you had
Speaker 1: guys like Gary coming and several other child stars who
Speaker 1: grew up with nothing. Their parents spent all the money.
Speaker 1: That's good man, that your parents was holding you down. Man,
Speaker 1: that's real good man. Because you don't hear too, I mean,
Speaker 1: most important stories coming from the recording industry.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. You hear a lot of things where
Speaker 2: it's not only the parents take the money. It's just
Speaker 2: a lot of things where the management takes the money,
Speaker 2: the record company takes the money, the lawyers take the money, accountants,
Speaker 2: and then a lot of guys get themselves caught up
Speaker 2: and stuff like having two or three children by two
Speaker 2: or three different women and child support, taking their money
Speaker 2: as they get as they get older. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a thing where you're outside and you're pretty much naked,
Speaker 2: and you're naked to the world, so to speak, because
Speaker 2: everybody wants a part of you. You understand what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and they was, well, then again they will trip you naked.
Speaker 2: So even if you got these guys, even when you
Speaker 2: have these guys like ball players, these young guys who
Speaker 2: are making millions of freaking dollars, that these guys in
Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties was an e and touching. You
Speaker 2: got guys in the NBA right now who get more
Speaker 2: money in their cash at than some of the guys
Speaker 2: who are making. Then then some of the salaries some
Speaker 2: of the guys were making in the seventies. You understand
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it's like money is nothing to that.
Speaker 2: But with that come a lot of freaking votures, a
Speaker 2: lot of leeches, a lot of a lot of women,
Speaker 2: a lot of groupies, and a lot of these guys
Speaker 2: don't understand that. They just think the money's gonna keep
Speaker 2: coming until it stops coming, you understand. So, and the
Speaker 2: off season with football players and basketball players and even
Speaker 2: with artists who are not who are sitting around idle
Speaker 2: and not going on tours and doing shows, it's like
Speaker 2: the money's not coming. But the thing about the thing
Speaker 2: about now was that a lot of these guys get podcasts.
Speaker 2: They put more money in the apartment. A lot of
Speaker 2: rappers can do podcasts a lot. So every that's the
Speaker 2: depth of route. Everybody is going, you know, to put
Speaker 2: more to get more revenue in the in the off
Speaker 2: season because you get a high spending habit when you're
Speaker 2: getting a lot of money, so you want to buy
Speaker 2: more four hundred thousand dollars cars and you want to
Speaker 2: buy a million dollar chains and all that crap like that,
Speaker 2: and you want to trick money on three or four
Speaker 2: different women at a time. That's a lifestyle saying. So
Speaker 2: you got to try to keep up that lifestyle.
Speaker 1: And you know what, you guys had a rare situation.
Speaker 1: The group pretty much stayed together the whole time.
Speaker 2: Definitely, we grew up, grew up together, we grew up together,
Speaker 2: and there was a time where it was just just
Speaker 2: us three on the road at sometimes. I mean we
Speaker 2: had our road manager, and our manager would come up
Speaker 2: with us, and we didn't. We don't. We didn't overindulge
Speaker 2: with a lot of things. One thing I like to
Speaker 2: say about our group and even our era of hip hop,
Speaker 2: we didn't flood ourselves with a whole lot of bodyguards
Speaker 2: and ten twenty people around just all the freaking time.
Speaker 2: But you got a lot of guys. Now, you got
Speaker 2: these guys are on the payroll and you look up,
Speaker 2: you got like at least about fifteen dudes with you.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure hanging around you just for free. You
Speaker 2: got to be paying these people. We didn't have that
Speaker 2: packtic you know, so sad. A lot of drugs well,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it was a lot of drugs in eighties, bro,
Speaker 2: it was a lot. I mean every city we went
Speaker 2: to because you know that first time is free, that
Speaker 2: first time is free. So every city you go to,
Speaker 2: somebody's trying to hit you up with. And I was
Speaker 2: being offered like sandwich bags of cocaine and clubs. Back then,
Speaker 2: you go to the bar to get yourself. I'm not
Speaker 2: a drunker. I never smoked. I never got high a
Speaker 2: day in my life. I go to the bar just
Speaker 2: to get some trampberry juice and lege juice. Somebody at
Speaker 2: tapping you on the side. Put that in your pocket. Brother,
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm gird. I don't miss that's ship I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you ain't giving you cocaine, you know,
Speaker 2: And yeah, definitely, definitely. But I was, I was one
Speaker 2: with the whole group, but I was one that drugs
Speaker 2: scared the hell out of me. You know, thug scared me.
Speaker 2: And I would walk in two rooms and see cats
Speaker 2: doing cocaine and having these parties where you know, on
Speaker 2: the bed there's a big ass mirror and like you
Speaker 2: see in Scarface with the mountains of coke, and I
Speaker 2: was just walking right back out. I was, I just
Speaker 2: couldn't be around that stuff and scared the ship out
Speaker 2: of me. You know, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, go ahead,
Speaker 2: you got it. No.
Speaker 1: We come from that era, man, where we heard the
Speaker 1: just say, you know when we were scared of cocaine,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's when cracks started coming in our
Speaker 1: community too, so we was kind of scared. I was
Speaker 1: scared of differ cocaine cause I was always worried about
Speaker 1: becoming a fiend.
Speaker 2: But exactly, And I didn't want to put my mother
Speaker 2: and father through that, you know, really their son drug
Speaker 2: you know, strung out on drugs. You gotta take me
Speaker 2: to a center to get myself cleaning and all that stuff. Yeah, drugs, drugs,
Speaker 2: I mean, And as I got later on in life,
Speaker 2: I had a few beers here and there, but as
Speaker 2: far as getting high and even smoking. I smoked one
Speaker 2: cigarette when I was thirteen years old because my father
Speaker 2: was a heavy smoker. It was a chain smoker, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool just to smoke, and I
Speaker 2: took one puff, got sick as a dog, and never
Speaker 2: touched your can. So that was the end of that
Speaker 2: for me. But yeah, for drugs, Like I said, drugs.
Speaker 2: Just scared to sit this day just thinking about drugs.
Speaker 2: Scared to help.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You're not married, are you?
Speaker 2: No? I've never been married. Little kids either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you got a girlfriend now, because I'm
Speaker 1: about to ask you some questions.
Speaker 2: I just got out of a relationship. Really, I'm not
Speaker 2: built for relationships. You know, most people are built for
Speaker 2: certain things. I don't think I'm built for relationships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me ask you this. You don't indulge
Speaker 1: nothing else. I know, you have to indulge in sending
Speaker 1: them women that was coming around. Man, you're always the
Speaker 1: most famous cats in the world at one time.
Speaker 2: Well, being young and your testasial level is beyond the roof,
Speaker 2: of course you're gonna indulge. So I mean, women are
Speaker 2: gonna throw themselves at anybody. I'm no disrespect to women
Speaker 2: at all, but women are gonna throw themselves at anybody
Speaker 2: that's successful that they can you know, they can feel
Speaker 2: around that's success, that's successful. Every woman want to sit
Speaker 2: in the VIP at some at some point everybody wanted.
Speaker 2: Every woman want to be with somebody that's making a
Speaker 2: lot of money or somebody that's successful. So that comes
Speaker 2: with the territory. Whether you're playing ball or whether you're wrapping,
Speaker 2: that's just part of That's just part of the game
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Who who had the most ladies of the group?
Speaker 2: Buff Buff? A lot of people thought it was but yeah,
Speaker 2: us Buff us a sexual dvate. Sometimes I would go
Speaker 2: and Buff's room, knock on the door and he would
Speaker 2: he would come to the door, and you know we
Speaker 2: have you know, it's hotels, so we have white lights.
Speaker 2: He would change the light bulbs. It'd be like red
Speaker 2: and blue and black light bulbs, and you know, you
Speaker 2: walk in through a room and it's like two girls
Speaker 2: and the band, Like, dude, what's going on? What like
Speaker 2: we gotta leave tomorrow morning, like five in the morning.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? No, I don't worry about I'm good.
Speaker 2: I see the more Buff was living the dream he
Speaker 2: had his dad. Boff took advantage of anything and everything
Speaker 2: that had to do with fame and it. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: would go to a radio station and we get back
Speaker 2: on the back on the bus and me and Mark
Speaker 2: be like, yo, where the Buff go? We go on
Speaker 2: the bus, knock on the back door. Dude, how'd you
Speaker 2: get a girl that quick? How did you make this
Speaker 2: work that quick? We was only there for like thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But if Boff was quick.
Speaker 1: And Buff had woman, because I know Buff, you know,
Speaker 1: not talking not to we talk about I was seeing
Speaker 1: here to talk for hisself, of course, but he wound
Speaker 1: up having a baby with Queen pe and wanted the
Speaker 1: rapper Queen Pin correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I ended the meeting. It was it
Speaker 2: was it was two of them, see Tom Flame and
Speaker 2: if she hear that, she knows what I'm talking about. Well,
Speaker 2: it was like a summertime flame. And I'm like it
Speaker 2: was her and out and another girl. And now I'm
Speaker 2: always telling Bob y'oall. You know, when September come, you know,
Speaker 2: we out stayed. I'm like, you know, both stays so
Speaker 2: and they just stayed together and they had a baby together.
Speaker 2: His name is Quentin, and he did a song with
Speaker 2: Boosey matter of fact, and he's a rapper himself. He's
Speaker 2: an artist himself. He lives out in Sacramento.
Speaker 1: I think, oh really so so buff Son is a
Speaker 1: bit in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like six' five do as tall as as
Speaker 2: Heck and always, said do you should have went out for?
Speaker 2: Basketball is that?
Speaker 1: What and what's his? Name?
Speaker 2: Quentin you, said, yeah what's?
Speaker 1: It Q q?
Speaker 2: HANDS i think it is ut shoot mans just something like. That,
Speaker 2: Yeah so Qu quentin became a.
Speaker 1: Rapper you, know shout out To quentin, man shout out
Speaker 1: the q NaNs whatever he called. Himself, man that's, dope.
Speaker 1: Man you, know it's kind of refreshing that, here, man
Speaker 1: Because i'm pretty sure because you hear these horror, stories
Speaker 1: that's WHY i always eight was here on this one
Speaker 1: because he has a horror story with the music, industry you,
Speaker 1: know as far as being taken care, of the advantage
Speaker 1: of it sounded like y'all had your stuff, together, man.
Speaker 2: We, did and there was a lot of dark. TERRITORIES
Speaker 2: i was just doing an interview today AND i was
Speaker 2: talking about this, stuff and a lot of people thought
Speaker 2: it was all fun and games and staying In foster
Speaker 2: hotels and having fun and. Whatever but there's a dark
Speaker 2: side to everything that that's, good you. Understand so we
Speaker 2: had a lot of dark, sides as you.
Speaker 1: Know, so.
Speaker 2: And i'm gonna try to put the documentary out to
Speaker 2: tell the whole. Story And i'm talking finances on down to,
Speaker 2: management on down to, on down to a lot of
Speaker 2: things that people would not think happened to a group
Speaker 2: like us because they thought we were we were just young
Speaker 2: and having. Fun so the good out way did the
Speaker 2: good outwagh the? Bad, Yeah and a lot of cases it.
Speaker 2: Did but sometimes the bad outweigh the good, easily you.
Speaker 1: KNOW i know you you said, that you, guys you're
Speaker 1: gonna be working on a, documentary So i'm not gonna
Speaker 1: ask you too, much you, know we want to save
Speaker 1: a lot for the actual. Documentary but what would you
Speaker 1: say one of the worst things to happen WAS.
Speaker 2: I think one of the worst things that. Happened wash
Speaker 2: manager And mark started getting into this really back and
Speaker 2: forth and and one point he wanted him off the.
Speaker 2: Group he wanted group he thought he was he was
Speaker 2: doing the group a lot of, harm and we went
Speaker 2: and sided with. It of, course we're not gonna side
Speaker 2: with Kicking mark off the. Group you, Know mark is my.
Speaker 2: Brother you Know i'm not Gonna mark. GO i, go
Speaker 2: said the bof was gonna follow with me because SO
Speaker 2: i would. Think one time he was forced off the.
Speaker 2: Bus he was forced off the bus because our manager
Speaker 2: wanted to kick. Him when you kick him off the
Speaker 2: tour and we were in the middle Of South carolina
Speaker 2: somewhere and he was being dragged off the. Bus something.
Speaker 2: HAPPENED i forget what. Happened and it was at the
Speaker 2: time we WERE i THINK i was like nineteen years,
Speaker 2: old SO i WAS i was still relatively really. Young
Speaker 2: it was just a REALLY i, MEAN i think about
Speaker 2: it sometimes And i'm, LIKE i could have done. More
Speaker 2: but it was at.
Speaker 1: The time, though, man you didn't know how to handle.
Speaker 1: It i'm pretty sure that was a rough. Situation you'd
Speaker 1: being as young as.
Speaker 2: You, were it's a really fast situation because you, know to,
Speaker 2: see AND i thought at that time it was over for,
Speaker 2: us because LIKE i, said it was a really dark,
Speaker 2: times you know it. Was it was some dark times
Speaker 2: and that was one of, them one of. Many and after, That,
Speaker 2: yeah but, see after a while he started thinking that
Speaker 2: as far as, him he started thinking he was he
Speaker 2: made us instead of the other way.
Speaker 3: Around so when you got young people who don't know any,
Speaker 3: better who don't know anything about reading, contracts who don't
Speaker 3: know anything about anything except, performing doing videos and doing promotional,
Speaker 3: work somebody can easily get in your head THAT i owned.
Speaker 2: You so you start Thinking i've actually worked for. Him
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i, SAY i actually worked for the.
Speaker 2: Management so that's how he had us thinking to the
Speaker 2: point where it was almost like a dividing conquer kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing so that particular, night what happened on that bush
Speaker 2: was LIKE i just thought it was over Because i'm,
Speaker 2: like well Then, mark excuse. Me Then mark bounce is
Speaker 2: off one. Another as far as, rapping buff don't, Rap
Speaker 2: and that's no knock against, him but buff don't rap
Speaker 2: of just bet. Pops so we had to do what
Speaker 2: our show every, night and doing an hour show without your,
Speaker 2: BACKUP i got to do his parts in my. Parts
Speaker 2: that's not a good. Thing so after three days he
Speaker 2: had to come back out on the road BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: couldn't keep that, up you know What i'm. Saying, so
Speaker 2: but that was one of the. Times and you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i talked about that With mark before he passed, away
Speaker 2: and you, KNOW i had to let him know it
Speaker 2: was we was just like in, shock like we couldn't
Speaker 2: believe that was, happening you. Know so he, yeah it
Speaker 2: WAS i forgot who was on who was With it
Speaker 2: was security or something like. That, security and and he
Speaker 2: was about and then he was about to get on the,
Speaker 2: bus but they had put his stuff out the bus
Speaker 2: already and it was blocking him from getting on the.
Speaker 2: Bus that's what it. Was and.
Speaker 1: You, know pretty much y'all bringing the money and y'all
Speaker 1: the bread.
Speaker 2: Winners, yeah, yeah that's the.
Speaker 1: Thing he was a white guy at. Home, yeah of
Speaker 1: course it's always white, dudes, man think they the one.
Speaker 2: Hope, yeah it's a Dividing and when it comes to.
Speaker 1: That please tell me he got he was we.
Speaker 2: Separated, no we we we. Left we left. That we
Speaker 2: did our last. Album we was contracted to our last,
Speaker 2: album and after that we parted ways because the thing,
Speaker 2: was first of, all we were getting older and and
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff he wanted us to, do and
Speaker 2: with these kind of songs that he wanted us to start,
Speaker 2: making we were, like, no we're, Good we're making those.
Speaker 2: Songs we're gonna get back to our. ROOTS i, mean
Speaker 2: we did The Chubby checkers, song The, twist we did
Speaker 2: to wipe out some with The Beach, boys but he
Speaker 2: wanted to keep those kind of songs, going and we were,
Speaker 2: like now on this last, album we're gonna get back
Speaker 2: to what we was doing on our first. Album AND
Speaker 2: i guess he wasn't cool with, that but we were
Speaker 2: cool with, that and so we just parted. Way SO
Speaker 2: i don't really know how much the last album even,
Speaker 2: sold to be honest with. You somebody said it was
Speaker 2: like when we, laughed it was like almost approaching gold or.
Speaker 2: Something BUT i have no idea how much the last
Speaker 2: album even.
Speaker 1: Sold so y'all was selling that many records that you
Speaker 1: just didn't even trip off of the, records was just the.
Speaker 2: FORMING i think we just wanted to get away from
Speaker 2: him and the. Label we just wanted to separate ourselves
Speaker 2: From and so it sounded.
Speaker 1: Like so he was more than just the standard. Manager
Speaker 1: then he had his hand and all your stuff done pretty.
Speaker 2: Much oh, yeah, yeah it was him and his. Wife
Speaker 2: AND i won't say, this they did look out For
Speaker 2: buff When buff had his issues with his weight was
Speaker 2: ULTIMATELY i wouldn't say his weight ultimately took him. OUT
Speaker 2: i Think buff had it flew really bad and which
Speaker 2: turned and just turned. Deafly but they were right there
Speaker 2: with him when he had to do his whole weight,
Speaker 2: procedure and they stepped into the plate at the time
Speaker 2: to put him in a good, hospital get him a good.
Speaker 2: Doctor BUT i think for the love of money is
Speaker 2: the rude of all, evil and money could separate a
Speaker 2: lot of. People so when you're when you're grinding and
Speaker 2: start trying to get to the, top especially with maybe
Speaker 2: two or three, people m and everything is everything is.
Speaker 2: Good the rise to the top is the best because
Speaker 2: you're working hard and you and everybody's. Communicating the chemistry is.
Speaker 2: Dead that's when that money comes into.
Speaker 1: Play money always destroys. Everything, Man and that's why it.
Speaker 1: Stayed it's rare that you guys stayed together because even, Now,
Speaker 1: man even with this podcast, Stuff i'm the inventor of this, Show,
Speaker 1: man AND i went through so many, changes, man just
Speaker 1: because you, know it's like money is the root of all, Evil,
Speaker 1: man and people start thinking it's money that it is,
Speaker 1: not you know WHAT i. Mean they don't understand that
Speaker 1: when you put your money up for, Something i'm the you,
Speaker 1: know WHEN i started doing this, Show, MAN i pretty
Speaker 1: much refinanced my, house took the loan out against my
Speaker 1: house to do the first maybe fifteen twenty episodes because
Speaker 1: it wasn't a whole bunch of podcasts all at that,
Speaker 1: time AND i Was we were recording up in THE cbs,
Speaker 1: building SO i was paying all this. MONEY i had
Speaker 1: a big bill every. Week, man it costs a lot
Speaker 1: of money to put the show. Together so people didn't
Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND i didn't even recoup my money, initially you, know
Speaker 1: because everybody just made a big. Deal it's, me, Me.
Speaker 1: Me nobody ever knows the sacrifices that are, made you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, no everybody sees the finishing. Product nobody
Speaker 2: sees the hard. Work it takes to get to the finishing.
Speaker 2: Product and that's what's wrong with people. Now everybody see
Speaker 2: everybody just looks back and they first of, all you
Speaker 2: got a successful. Podcast you understand What i'm, Saying but
Speaker 2: it took you a lot of work to get. Here
Speaker 2: so everybody might look at you and, say, well that
Speaker 2: looks easy on here do sit around and interview. People
Speaker 2: they don't know the work you gotta put into. It
Speaker 2: you can't just cut on the camera and just start interviewing.
Speaker 2: People you gotta do. Background you gotta do all kinds
Speaker 2: of researching behind.
Speaker 1: It, yeah and the research that don't behind. It and
Speaker 1: then let me tell you this. Too we are this
Speaker 1: is our fifth, year sixth. Year i've never missed the. Episode,
Speaker 1: man everybody else has missed, that you, know not saying
Speaker 1: nothing bad about, Them BUT i don't have a luxury
Speaker 1: because the show has to still keep. Going and we
Speaker 1: have a contract. Now so you just can't, say, oh,
Speaker 1: man we go disappear for two or three weeks and
Speaker 1: just go do this and. That, no it really. Ain't
Speaker 1: no vacations, made you, know or you're be in reach
Speaker 1: of your, agreement you. Know AND i don't think people
Speaker 1: know that with anything that's, great, man it comes a
Speaker 1: great amount of, responsibility and it comes with a lot of,
Speaker 1: stuff and it ain't all about Being it ain't friendly
Speaker 1: all the.
Speaker 2: Time it's not friendly all the, time and like you,
Speaker 2: said a lot of. Responsibility but here's WHAT i will
Speaker 2: always telling artists or anybody who's trying to get into
Speaker 2: something to be, successful whether it be, podcasting whether it
Speaker 2: be playing, basketball, football, raping, singing. Whatever when you when
Speaker 2: you're grinding and you're you're becoming. Successful when you start,
Speaker 2: trying when you start looking at your, work you lose
Speaker 2: focus because now you're looking at your, work, saying it's
Speaker 2: kind of like you be in the gym and you
Speaker 2: look in the. Mirror you. Understand that's why most people
Speaker 2: work out with a hoodie or because they don't want
Speaker 2: to see the. Results if they see the, results it's
Speaker 2: gonna stop. Them it's gonna make them lose. Focus it's
Speaker 2: the same thing as trying to rise to the top
Speaker 2: and trying to be. Successful if you stop to look
Speaker 2: at your, work you lose focus and you're staying at
Speaker 2: one spot and you won't go you won't excel because
Speaker 2: now you're looking at the. Work, wow look WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Did the work is not. Done you'll know when the
Speaker 2: work is done and then it's time to, rest you.
Speaker 2: Know but vacations and everything like that that can come
Speaker 2: where when you're, like, okay we're good. Now you, know we're. Good,
Speaker 2: now we could take a little break and come back to.
Speaker 2: It you.
Speaker 1: Know, now let me ask you, this, bro would you be.
Speaker 1: Interested i'm gonna tell you one thing that's really big
Speaker 1: and it's something That i'm working on now on the,
Speaker 1: side AND i kind of took a little break from
Speaker 1: it BECAUSE i do everything by. Myself you. Know, Again
Speaker 1: i've been doing Like i'm working on the on The
Speaker 1: Side fire podcast right. Now that's like a you, know
Speaker 1: it's all, audios one hundred percent, audio but has you,
Speaker 1: know full. Effects you. Know it's about The United states
Speaker 1: and the year, twenties you, know AND i think it's
Speaker 1: the year twenty sixty six in the aftermath of A
Speaker 1: nubia war In california is now in, island and then
Speaker 1: you have these other people that live like In Las.
Speaker 1: Vegas Las vegas is like the. Mainland now they have
Speaker 1: this big metal wall in front of it to where
Speaker 1: all the wealthy people, live but all the gang bangers
Speaker 1: and all the undesirables got left on this island In,
Speaker 1: california and they really made it like a. Fortress they're
Speaker 1: growing vegetation over. There they have some symbolances of a,
Speaker 1: society schools and, everything and the people from behind the
Speaker 1: wall And vegas are trying to take this island from
Speaker 1: them because they're running out of resources over. THERE i, Think,
Speaker 1: man what you should. Do you should make That Fast
Speaker 1: boys story man out Of you should do a, doc
Speaker 1: man and make it a. Podcast the audio and podcasting is.
Speaker 1: Huge people forget about that because they see all the
Speaker 1: videos and stuff on, YouTube but the audio is. Huge.
Speaker 1: Man maybe we talked doing something like that That Homie
Speaker 1: charlomagne about that man and how my home?
Speaker 2: Grow?
Speaker 1: DO i think that would be? Dope. BRO i THINK
Speaker 1: i definitely think your story needs to be. Told. Man
Speaker 1: that's why it was so important the gets you on the, Show,
Speaker 1: man BECAUSE i, said people don't talk about you guys enough. Man.
Speaker 1: Not my big thing is we can't let get rewritten.
Speaker 2: Right. Exactly you don't want somebody to rewrite your history
Speaker 2: for you or write your history for. You but, YEAH
Speaker 2: i mean it's cats like yourself and a few others
Speaker 2: that really know the foundation of what The Fat boys
Speaker 2: was about and hip, hop you, know at a time
Speaker 2: where And i'm not saying this to be egotistical or
Speaker 2: pat myself on the back or pack the era THAT
Speaker 2: i came from the. Back but had it not been
Speaker 2: for RUD, Dmc Fat boys And, houdini Especially houdini with
Speaker 2: the classic songs they were, making they could have went
Speaker 2: on tour with a lot OF r AND b, groups
Speaker 2: movie making songs Like friends And Breeks Come out At
Speaker 2: night And One log and stuff like. That they could
Speaker 2: have straddle both, fences hip hop AND r AND. B
Speaker 2: but they we don't get the you, know we don't
Speaker 2: get the. Respect it's like they were skipped over a
Speaker 2: lot of, times and people skip over and go right
Speaker 2: into the eighty eight eighty nine. Era but it was
Speaker 2: it WAS us three and along WITH lll coming on
Speaker 2: after that that really put hip hop on the. Map,
Speaker 2: now the Song The, message By flashing The furies, five
Speaker 2: it put rap on the.
Speaker 1: Map, yeah oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah one of the most important songs in the history
Speaker 2: of Music's The message by By belly mel and then
Speaker 2: the Late Great Duke booty who who did the song with.
Speaker 2: HIM a lot of people think it was the whole,
Speaker 2: group but it was the oddest name by by the
Speaker 2: name Of Duke booty and really mel who made that.
Speaker 2: Song but he told me that, yeah, Yeah and he
Speaker 2: also told me he was supposed to be on the.
Speaker 2: Song it was supposed to Be Duke booty And raw
Speaker 2: him on the. Song but so that, song right there
Speaker 2: was a played a pivotal role in, rap huge role in.
Speaker 2: Rap BUT i think we coming out and LIKE i,
Speaker 2: said RUN dmc And houdini ll coming. Out we took
Speaker 2: we took, Hip we took the, culture the hip hop
Speaker 2: culture as a, whole and brought it to the rest
Speaker 2: of the world because you got you gotta realize, this,
Speaker 2: Right we're on tour at the first with The First
Speaker 2: person Of war in nineteen eighty, four and we're going to.
Speaker 2: Cities we're going to small cities that don't even really
Speaker 2: know what the heck rap. Is just you, know they're
Speaker 2: they're kind of like they no Fat, boys they're no RUN,
Speaker 2: dmc they're No Curtis. Blow they Know whodini but not
Speaker 2: too not too. Well but they were coming out In.
Speaker 2: Groves we were selling our concerts like twelve to fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand a night. Easily and this is like nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Four so the tour played the pivotal role in the
Speaker 2: hip hop, culture and we played the role a huge
Speaker 2: role in the hip hop culture and excelling it and
Speaker 2: what LIKE i, said once, again the Movie Frusch school
Speaker 2: comes out in nineteen eighty, five and like the walls
Speaker 2: are torn are torn. Down now hip hop is is,
Speaker 2: here you. Understand BUT i don't THINK i don't think
Speaker 2: those groups get a lot of, that get a lot
Speaker 2: of respect for that and a lot of props for. It,
Speaker 2: now we don't go around and banging our our hammers
Speaker 2: on the gavel or banging the galvel and, saying, hey
Speaker 2: we look over. Here we did this and did. That
Speaker 2: but it's a few people that know about. It BUT
Speaker 2: i want to put out the dock and entry about
Speaker 2: the first festival as well the first hip hop tour.
Speaker 2: Ever so, YEAH i want to put you.
Speaker 1: Know, MAN i definitely, Man i'm gonna get With i'm
Speaker 1: gonna get with my, Girl Dolly. Man shout out To Dolly.
Speaker 1: Man she's the president Of Black Effect. Network over iHeart.
Speaker 1: Man just a great. Person, Man this is our we
Speaker 1: about that we actually renewing with, them, Man we just you,
Speaker 1: know re up with, them man for our. Fiftuary we
Speaker 1: went To. Network since the, beginning man shot out To Dolly,
Speaker 1: Man Dolly, bishop incredible. Person shots at the, Homeboy Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Mayne it's just been really a great thing, man to
Speaker 1: work with black, people because everybody over there is. Black you,
Speaker 1: know all the women that we deal with over, where you,
Speaker 1: know high cool, Man, chanell just great. One you, know great. People.
Speaker 1: Man we got The Black Effect, festival third Annual Black
Speaker 1: Effect festival coming up actually next, month and the. Land
Speaker 1: hey y'all make y'all, go get y'all. Tickets. Man it's,
Speaker 1: just you, know been a positive. Experience you, Know charlottagne
Speaker 1: didn't taking nothing from. Us we we had some stuff
Speaker 1: going on before we got with. Them you know how
Speaker 1: we were able to get to the deal and they
Speaker 1: helped us grow. Exponentially and you, know you hear horror
Speaker 1: stories of people trying to do. Stuff it's been nothing
Speaker 1: but good. Man the money is always. Right they haven't
Speaker 1: tried to steal none of OUR i p you know
Speaker 1: What i'm. Saying it ain't been nothing crappy. Man it's
Speaker 1: just been all.
Speaker 2: Good it's.
Speaker 1: Been it's been a very good.
Speaker 2: Experience you had a lot of. Stories, yeah you had
Speaker 2: a lot of stories from from from the third party of.
Speaker 2: People you know what it, is, man people from the
Speaker 2: outside looking in will never. Understand so they always going
Speaker 2: to make rumors because everybody's not built to do what you're.
Speaker 2: Doing everybody's not built to do with a whole lot
Speaker 2: of people who are being successful or doing, so they just.
Speaker 2: Speculating this is WHAT i always tell people all the
Speaker 2: time when they want to make when they want to
Speaker 2: speculate a story or tell a, Story i'm, like my
Speaker 2: thing was were you? There so were you're? Telling when
Speaker 2: you're saying something, like for, example WELL oj did? It
Speaker 2: well were you? There no?
Speaker 1: There what the?
Speaker 2: News well what's the news? There if you wasn't there
Speaker 2: and you take this to, court the court is gonna, say,
Speaker 2: well that's just here say because you weren't. There so
Speaker 2: this is WHAT i tell everybody when it comes down
Speaker 2: to speculating about somebody's. Business when somebody's trying to be
Speaker 2: successful or they are, successful and they're, saying, WELL i
Speaker 2: know he's getting ripped, Off, well what'd you hear that? From?
Speaker 2: Whoa this person told whoa were you there to see
Speaker 2: them getting ripped? Off, no, okay we shut the hell.
Speaker 2: Up him just speculating you don't want nobody coming to
Speaker 2: your job and, saying you, know do nobody come to
Speaker 2: your job and, say, hey your supervisor is ripping you.
Speaker 2: Off that's not your business. Exactly so that's not your
Speaker 2: business to get into somebody's professional. Business try to do
Speaker 2: stuffing for. Themselves you, Know i'm gonna ask.
Speaker 1: YOU i GOT i got two more questions for. YOU
Speaker 1: i got, cool two more questions for, you cool rock
Speaker 1: and Now i've always wanted to ask you, this, RIGHT
Speaker 1: i want to ask one of you, guys that's. Right
Speaker 1: was because you, know hip hop has always them very
Speaker 1: competitive since the, beginning right you Had Dougie fresh he
Speaker 1: had thrown the? Show was he? Dising was he dis
Speaker 1: In buffalo that when he Said i'm known for the
Speaker 1: not for the.
Speaker 2: Involved HE i, mean it was kind of like taking a.
Speaker 2: Shop but at the same time he was letting people
Speaker 2: know this is WHAT i do and this is what
Speaker 2: he does. NOW i will say buff was pissed off
Speaker 2: every time that song came. On. Pissed BUT i mean
Speaker 2: the first time we heard. It we were still living
Speaker 2: In brooklyn and we were sitting out on the porch
Speaker 2: and this song came on the radio when the show
Speaker 2: came on the, radio and that part came, on And
Speaker 2: boff was, like, yo anytime he went to, battle anytime
Speaker 2: you want to, BATTLE i battled that. Mother so, yeah
Speaker 2: but even after, that every time the shong came, On
Speaker 2: buff will get pissed. Off so it was like a
Speaker 2: friendly little thing they were having back and.
Speaker 1: Forth but that's hip hop, though, Man you know, what
Speaker 1: nobody had to get. HURT i think the battle would
Speaker 1: have sold a lot of. TICKETS i think they could
Speaker 1: have went across the country and did. Dead.
Speaker 2: YEAH i always Tell, buff the only Thing doug had
Speaker 2: over you is that doctor rat and you can't. RAP i.
Speaker 2: Said but as far as, POWER i, said you would
Speaker 2: have took you would have wiped him off the. Map you,
Speaker 2: know he couldn't message your.
Speaker 1: Power, YEAH i don't think he could have messed With
Speaker 1: buff and the human beat Boxing buff was the human
Speaker 1: beat box.
Speaker 2: King, yeah Bu buff was nothing to mess. With Man.
Speaker 2: Buffers and there's a lot of beat boxers who always
Speaker 2: tell me all the time Like buff was the guy
Speaker 2: who who got them into doing beat, boxing and some
Speaker 2: of these guys are. Good some of these guys are
Speaker 2: good because After buff started falling back from beat, boxing
Speaker 2: The buffer wasn't really practicing them. Much he can started
Speaker 2: to doing more studio work and more producing more production,
Speaker 2: work and every now and then he'll do some beat.
Speaker 2: Boxing but, yeah so he was the inspiration to a
Speaker 2: lot of guys who who started beat.
Speaker 1: Boxing without a. Doubt the second one and you go
Speaker 1: right in the home talk about now The Fat boys break.
Speaker 2: Up that'srom a movie that's for. MOM i, KNOW i,
Speaker 2: KNOW i mean JAY z said, it but who was
Speaker 2: from the?
Speaker 1: Movie but the coach references, man you, know From Krick
Speaker 1: Rocks Chris rock saying it man to the JAY z
Speaker 1: putting in the song that, say dang, man they talking about.
Speaker 2: Us i'll give you a quick story about. That i'm
Speaker 2: at my mom's crib one day and my nephew he's
Speaker 2: like maybe sixteen fifteen years, old and you, know he
Speaker 2: he coming to the world not knowing the time when
Speaker 2: rap music didn't, exist so everything with, him he's picking
Speaker 2: up rap music from the hutin claning. On you know
Speaker 2: What i'm, saying he knows how he knows HOW i did,
Speaker 2: it and he knows WHO i am for. Us so
Speaker 2: one day he's playing the. Song i'm going down to
Speaker 2: the basement because he's he's he's going to to the
Speaker 2: high school around, there and he's he's staying over there
Speaker 2: like for the weekends or. Whatever and SO i go
Speaker 2: downstairs one day AND i, said what is you just?
Speaker 2: Playing so he's, like, yo, uncle they're talking about. YOU i,
Speaker 2: said who's? That it's Jay. Z i, said play it.
Speaker 2: Again first The Fat boys break up and Everybody i'll wake.
Speaker 2: Up and now he's asking me, Questions, yo did y'all
Speaker 2: really break? Up? Now he wants to know about The
Speaker 2: Fat boys and. Ship So i'm, like, nah, no we
Speaker 2: didn't break. Up we're still together to this. Day but.
Speaker 2: Yeah so that's so a lot of people is hitting
Speaker 2: me up about, that and a lot of people's hitting
Speaker 2: me up on about, it like, Saying, yo he's just you, Man,
Speaker 2: yo just. Y'all it's just a, reference like it's just
Speaker 2: it's part of my said once, again people on the
Speaker 2: outside looking, in they don't, know they don't know what's going.
Speaker 2: On they just, speculate you, know, well they want to see.
Speaker 2: Drama you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah people love you, know especially our. People that's
Speaker 1: what's wrong with podcasting right. Now people love drama and
Speaker 1: don't nobody want To it's way, easier, man to go
Speaker 1: up here and live on, somebody, man to cause a
Speaker 1: bunch of confusion rather than you, know put it. Do
Speaker 1: go do the research man on, someone, man so you
Speaker 1: can put together compelling BECAUSE i don't DO i don't
Speaker 1: like to call what we do. Interviews, man to, me
Speaker 1: we having a conversation just about somebody in their, history you,
Speaker 1: know but it does take a lot of does take, research.
Speaker 1: Man you can't be up to saying the wrong. Stuff
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you know what you're talking, about you.
Speaker 1: Know But, man this is Definitely i'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 1: now aight is gonna be. Mad he missed, this, Man
Speaker 1: so were gonna HAVE i head it off like half
Speaker 1: the questioning THAT i want to ask you on purpose
Speaker 1: because we got to ask you on here. Again, Bro
Speaker 1: can we do? That?
Speaker 2: YEAH i GOT i gotta come back in and kick
Speaker 2: it with Eight, man that's one of my favorite. Artists,
Speaker 2: yeah because he's going for.
Speaker 1: SURE i know for sure he wanted to be here,
Speaker 1: THOUGH i know for, sure and he was, trying and
Speaker 1: he was trying to make it. HAPPEN i, said, bro
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about a. Week you, know we'll do it,
Speaker 1: again you, know first.
Speaker 2: And, Foremost, MAN i want to hear some of her.
Speaker 1: Stories oh for, sure the next time we gonna have
Speaker 1: you come back on. Here, man it's, soon. Man can
Speaker 1: we do it the next few?
Speaker 2: Weeks, yeah let's do.
Speaker 1: It do it for sure and we. Go you, know
Speaker 1: on that, note we gonna check y'all out next. WEEK
Speaker 1: i love, y'all, man appreciate. Y'all. Man our fifth, Season
Speaker 1: man back fresh than, ever and we started off with a.
Speaker 1: Bang we hollocked y'all next, Week old on one? Second,
Speaker 1: right all, right all, Right, bill you're gonna stay on with,
Speaker 1: me hold on