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Speaker 1: We's abning, we's abning. What's abning? It's your boy, big Steeal.

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Speaker 1: I gotta fly solo today, man, and my boy is

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back being a little kid man

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Speaker 1: going to Thomas Jefferson man with my boombox, with my

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Speaker 1: ghetto blast man bumping the fat boys. I can't even

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Speaker 1: I can't get it right. I can't do it. I

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Speaker 1: can't do it as good as you can. You bless

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Speaker 2: Man, Dude. I never Buff never taught me. Buff never

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Speaker 1: You never do you never You never learned how to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he never never taught me, man. I just I

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Speaker 1: Man. We got the legendary man cool rock Ski Man

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Speaker 1: from the Fat Boys from the Disco Three, then the

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Speaker 1: Fat Boys, a real, real legend in the game with

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Speaker 1: true legend. You know, people running around with that term

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Speaker 2: Over legend the world. Yeah, the word legend the world

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Speaker 2: goat overly everybody's a goat and bodies of legend. You

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Speaker 2: know you are. I think that the group is legendary

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Speaker 2: think the Moniker that have to be greatest of all time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have to cover all bases within the

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Speaker 2: realms of rap hip hop. So I think I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's a true goat. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: So I don't think they could be. They can ever

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Speaker 1: Yeh probably. Now you know what, if it's uncomfortable holding

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Speaker 2: Bro No, be good? Oh what good?

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Speaker 1: You're good? Okay? Yeah, the thing is this, man, I

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Speaker 1: one from the Eritic y'all come from bro from the area.

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Speaker 1: You always like the first, you know, like mainstream group,

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Speaker 1: one of the first. You guys are run DMC. Right.

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Speaker 1: I would have to say that you guys are gold

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't that many people around. I think it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we came from the era we was

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Speaker 2: So you had an array of rap groups and rappers

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Speaker 1: So you don't have to say it, Brumer, say it

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Speaker 1: for you. I'm gonna tell you. On so many levels, man,

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Speaker 1: I remember man seeing the fresh fest Man in Cleveland, Ohio,

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Speaker 2: Remember the show in Cleveland, Ohio? Let me see. Let

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Speaker 2: me see. We did a couple of shows in Cleveland, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: back then, I think the performances were way better. I

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Speaker 2: I think back then, well, well back then for me,

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Speaker 1: rapper now out of Detroit. I love T Grizzly. I

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Speaker 2: what's next, because you're not doing anything you understand. So

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Speaker 2: But I've heard of tem Grizzly. I know he's big

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell you that that promoter is telling

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I don't need your little twenty three hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: I take what I do very serious, man, because I

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Speaker 1: to fifty years ago to see Okay, who were the

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Speaker 2: Me and Mark grew up together? I was eight and

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Speaker 2: uncle seven. Oh. I met Buff like around I was

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Speaker 2: Mark went to a different high school and we went

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Speaker 2: But it was all in fun. So one day my

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Speaker 2: like next to do? What next? To go on? Stay?

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Speaker 2: came up with the beat box and that place went crazy,

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00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: and so we wanted to semi finals, and two weeks

432
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: later was the finals. We won that, which was a

433
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: recording contract, and second place was Dark Iced and King

434
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: Go from UTFO. They were in the contest as well.

435
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: They came in second place in the rap category and

436
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: we won that. We wanted the DJ equipment, just like

437
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: people seen in the movie Crush Moven wanted the DJ equipment,

438
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: but we settled for the record contract, of course, and

439
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: we put out our first song, which is a so

440
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: called reality and it didn't even sell maybe two thousand copies. Man,

441
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: if it's so two thousand copies that of course the

442
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: management boarding. But it flopped, so we kind of regrouped.

443
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: We went back and got our manager, went and got

444
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: Curtis Blow, and Curtis blowed to the first song, which

445
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: was Fat Boys. In the B side was Human Be Bops.

446
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: People knew it as Stickham and we took off from there.

447
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: So it was a hit record and after that we

448
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: never Bruce Stickham.

449
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Bruce Stickham was something else. What was that called?

450
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: Oh, it was called the Human be Box for people

451
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: know it as BP stick You know, damn right.

452
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: There, you know what, man, So it's just like the

453
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: movie pretty much.

454
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: Then, right exactly exactly the fact that day you know

455
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: it was it was elaborated that saying I didn't want

456
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I didn't want to do the contests and

457
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: the stuff like that. So you know, it's Hollywood. They're

458
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: gonna put together a storyline. But other than that everything

459
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: of us in the content.

460
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I'm saying. So y'all, y'all got

461
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: this thing going on, y'all get y'all first record deal.

462
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the contract was was probably.

463
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Bump, contract sucked, contract shucked. But you know, at the time,

464
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: we didn't know. You know, we're like sixteen, seventeen years old,

465
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: and uh so, what's signing anything? You know what I'm saying,

466
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: because we signed on the pretensions of our managers just saying, hey,

467
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: just signed this and signed our paying us still't know anything.

468
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: Our parents are like, what's that show called the Beverly

469
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: Hill Billies. They don't know what the hell is going on,

470
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, record No kids, it didn't

471
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: look they didn't even know what rap even was, so

472
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: they just they just thought we were making a bunch

473
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: of noise. They were like, I don't know what you got,

474
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: just saying, but you know, if you call that music,

475
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: so be it. But I mean, we were getting good

476
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 2: money because we were on a record label that was

477
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: pretty much mob related, sending them off your kind of man,

478
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: the label kind of thing. So our first two albums

479
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: was on that label, and our third album. We left

480
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: the label and went to another label after that. But

481
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: so we was pretty much getting whatever we wanted. But

482
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: our manager just thought the label just had was given

483
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: us too much and he wanted full control of the group.

484
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: So we pretty much forfeited our third album, which sold

485
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: like maybe I think almost platinum, and we left that

486
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: label and went to another label. You know, we had

487
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: to because our forfeiting the album mean that we had

488
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: to turn over that album. So we're on an independent label.

489
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: So we're selling each album, our first three albums is

490
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: selling in excess of maybe eight hundred to eight hundred

491
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand copies per album. Now this is

492
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: the early eighties, eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, you're

493
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: selling those kinds of records that I mean, it's it's

494
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: this artist right now who can't even sell those kind

495
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: of problem right exactly. So we're selling and we're on

496
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: an independent label, which means they really have no overhead.

497
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: So that means each album, the albums that we're selling,

498
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: they're making at least about a good five point six

499
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: million copies at this album off each album.

500
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: You understand, records back then probably was going for what

501
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: like ten dollars apart.

502
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say at least about seven

503
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: to about I would say seven to about, maybe ten

504
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: dollars ten dollars.

505
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say they was getting four dollars whole sale,

506
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: and that's being you know, on the light side, right right,

507
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: And they're still eight hundred thousand records. That means they

508
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: were making three point two million, at least three million

509
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: dollars every time they drop the alb on y'all back.

510
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: Then they're probably still eating off your records.

511
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: Of course, because we don't own our masters. We don't

512
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: own our masters. And that's what I'm fighting to do now,

513
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: try to get back our masters. But but you know

514
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: how that ends up sometimes, but you get the master's back,

515
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: so I don't want to fight too hard. But you know,

516
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: so we don't own the masters, that we really can't

517
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: control anything, you know what I mean. But you know,

518
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: it's the thing about the music industry, it's pretty much

519
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: a popularity contest. So it's it's pretty much like you're

520
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: paying to be popular, you know, because but it's all

521
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: said and done, you have to fight to get it

522
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: back what you recorded. But here's the thing, here's here's

523
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: it's a double ed sword. The labels are looking at

524
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: it like, we put the money into the project. We

525
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: put the money into the studio time, we put the

526
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: money into the videos, we put the money into the motion.

527
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: We put the money into everything, and all you did

528
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: was record the songs. Right, So they're looking at it

529
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: like you U should be happy with what we gave you.

530
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: So that's when. So that's where of advances coming at.

531
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: And advances can really destroy any and it can leave

532
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: you in debt with the record company or with the

533
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: with the label for damn there forever. Because while you're

534
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: going back and forth and I need two hundred thousand here,

535
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: I need half a million, here, I need seven hundred

536
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: thousand here, I need whatever here, all you're doing is

537
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: drowning yourself in debt. You understand, saying so everything exactly,

538
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: so it's better suggest not taking no with ampsts. You understand.

539
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: But you at the same time, you gotta eat. But

540
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: here's the thing where I tell all artists do shows,

541
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: stay on tour. You understand. Travis Scott stays on tour,

542
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: you know, saying, so you gotta do shows because you're

543
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: not gonna get paid. Oh, at what point we were

544
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: the highest paid group, So we was getting anywhere from

545
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: forty five to fifty thousand per show and side shows,

546
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: yeah back then, and side shows was a promoter just

547
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: wanted us to come out. We were charging like seventy thousand,

548
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars just to do a half hour show,

549
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: you know, So we were getting pretty good money per show.

550
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean a few times that now that's like, damn

551
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: near what four hundred thousand push show and.

552
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: You're all along with run DMC was really hip hops

553
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: because Curtis Blue wasn't getting no money like that was he?

554
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he was getting that kind of money

555
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: per show at the time. And I'm not trying to

556
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: be disrespectful to him, just saying what was what was

557
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: available to him financially financially wise back then. But I

558
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: would probably think at the height of his popularity, he

559
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: was probably getting the least about a good seventy five

560
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: hundred and eight thousand per show. You know, I'm just speculating.

561
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: But the more our stock grew and the more popular

562
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: we became, the more in high demand we became, the

563
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: more money we started getting. And you had we had

564
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: a manager who was a Pitbull, you know. And I

565
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: was always telling artists this as well. Your manager supposed

566
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: to work for you. And if your manager wants to

567
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: get your manager wants to get paid, so he's gonna

568
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: make sure you get paid. And one thing about our manager,

569
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: he kept us on tour. He kept us doing shows,

570
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, and a lot of people back then thought

571
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: he was just using us. But it was a thing

572
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: where no, we was getting paid, but we was just

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: we was we was overworked, you know, we were overworke.

574
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: So we didn't really we didn't have a team. Our manager,

575
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Charlie Steller, he was in the movie Cluster School when

576
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: he was trying to take run Away from Russell, which

577
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: was played by Blair Underwood. So the white guy with

578
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: the beard and the bald head, that was our manager

579
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: in real life. And so yeah, he his his thing

580
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: was to get paid, so he wanted to get paid,

581
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: so he kept us on show. The only thing about

582
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: it was we were overworked, and we were we were everywhere,

583
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: you know. And but once we started to settle down

584
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: at the really at the ages of like twenty two

585
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: years old, because the propularities started to dwell, started started

586
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: slowing down rather and you know, so we we were

587
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: still young. Though we were still younger, we could still

588
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: have fun. We missed a lot of things in our

589
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: our teenage years as far as going to the plum,

590
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: going to clutch, hanging out with friends. But one thing

591
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: about the industry, the music industry or the industry as

592
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: a whole, when you were a fifteen, fourteen, sixteen year

593
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: old kid, it forces you to grow up real quickly,

594
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: and it forces you to have a whole lot of

595
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: freaking responsibility because you're making money. You're now in a

596
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: business where you have to make money for a lot

597
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: of people, you understand, So whether it be the record company,

598
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: it be the the promoters, it be your family. So

599
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: you got to you it's a lot of responsibility for

600
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: people so young when they get into it. And we

601
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: were like the youngest group out there at the time,

602
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, so we had a lot of responsibility back then.

603
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: It had to be a lot There had to be

604
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Let me ask you this, man,

605
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I assume with you guys getting that much money when

606
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: y'all were young, y'all some cats coming from Brooklyn. Man,

607
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure y'all didn't come from Wilfy house. So

608
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: did y'all ever start having problems with family and close

609
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: loved ones behind money.

610
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: No. My mother, my mother and father, they were really

611
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: we were really stirring with a lot of things. My

612
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: father came they both I'm from Brooklyn, I'm born and

613
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: raised in New York. My mother and father's from the South.

614
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: They're from Florida. So they had a lot of really

615
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Southern ways, hardcore Southern ways. And you know, my father

616
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: kind of ruled with the iron fist. You know, he

617
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: was a construction worker and so he was he was

618
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: he had his hands were like bricks. So the last

619
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: thing was I was getting in trouble because you know,

620
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: he'll smacked fire out of you. But my mother, she

621
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: took care of the finances and who I got like

622
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: maybe nineteen twenty years old, but and she made sure

623
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: or she had to make sure because the record company

624
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: had we had to set aside money for when we

625
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: got twenty to twenty one years old, and so that

626
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: was part of her job to keep that. Yeah. So

627
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: so all three of us had parents who were sterned

628
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: as far as keeping the voltures away. You know. Of

629
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: course my brothers. I took care of my brothers. You know,

630
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: that's my brothers. So we all grew up together and

631
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But you know, outsiders coming in and

632
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: trying to get money, and in a lot of business ventures.

633
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Yo, man, you give me twenty

634
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, I can open up this car wash? Does

635
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: you give me thirty thousand? But you gotta go to

636
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: my mom's and ask for that, and they didn't want

637
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: to do that, so she was started like my force field.

638
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: You know.

639
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, man, So I guess they here

640
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: because in acting they have something called the Cougan law

641
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: that you had to put his money because you had

642
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: guys like Gary coming and several other child stars who

643
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: grew up with nothing. Their parents spent all the money.

644
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: That's good man, that your parents was holding you down. Man,

645
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: that's real good man. Because you don't hear too, I mean,

646
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: most important stories coming from the recording industry.

647
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. You hear a lot of things where

648
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: it's not only the parents take the money. It's just

649
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 2: a lot of things where the management takes the money,

650
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: the record company takes the money, the lawyers take the money, accountants,

651
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: and then a lot of guys get themselves caught up

652
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: and stuff like having two or three children by two

653
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: or three different women and child support, taking their money

654
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: as they get as they get older. So yeah, it's

655
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: a thing where you're outside and you're pretty much naked,

656
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: and you're naked to the world, so to speak, because

657
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: everybody wants a part of you. You understand what I'm saying,

658
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: and they was, well, then again they will trip you naked.

659
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: So even if you got these guys, even when you

660
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: have these guys like ball players, these young guys who

661
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: are making millions of freaking dollars, that these guys in

662
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties was an e and touching. You

663
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: got guys in the NBA right now who get more

664
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: money in their cash at than some of the guys

665
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: who are making. Then then some of the salaries some

666
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: of the guys were making in the seventies. You understand

667
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it's like money is nothing to that.

668
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: But with that come a lot of freaking votures, a

669
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: lot of leeches, a lot of a lot of women,

670
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: a lot of groupies, and a lot of these guys

671
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: don't understand that. They just think the money's gonna keep

672
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: coming until it stops coming, you understand. So, and the

673
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: off season with football players and basketball players and even

674
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: with artists who are not who are sitting around idle

675
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: and not going on tours and doing shows, it's like

676
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: the money's not coming. But the thing about the thing

677
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: about now was that a lot of these guys get podcasts.

678
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: They put more money in the apartment. A lot of

679
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: rappers can do podcasts a lot. So every that's the

680
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: depth of route. Everybody is going, you know, to put

681
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: more to get more revenue in the in the off

682
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: season because you get a high spending habit when you're

683
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: getting a lot of money, so you want to buy

684
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: more four hundred thousand dollars cars and you want to

685
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: buy a million dollar chains and all that crap like that,

686
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: and you want to trick money on three or four

687
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: different women at a time. That's a lifestyle saying. So

688
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: you got to try to keep up that lifestyle.

689
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: And you know what, you guys had a rare situation.

690
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: The group pretty much stayed together the whole time.

691
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Definitely, we grew up, grew up together, we grew up together,

692
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: and there was a time where it was just just

693
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: us three on the road at sometimes. I mean we

694
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: had our road manager, and our manager would come up

695
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: with us, and we didn't. We don't. We didn't overindulge

696
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: with a lot of things. One thing I like to

697
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: say about our group and even our era of hip hop,

698
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: we didn't flood ourselves with a whole lot of bodyguards

699
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: and ten twenty people around just all the freaking time.

700
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: But you got a lot of guys. Now, you got

701
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: these guys are on the payroll and you look up,

702
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: you got like at least about fifteen dudes with you.

703
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure hanging around you just for free. You

704
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: got to be paying these people. We didn't have that

705
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: packtic you know, so sad. A lot of drugs well,

706
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it was a lot of drugs in eighties, bro,

707
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: it was a lot. I mean every city we went

708
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: to because you know that first time is free, that

709
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: first time is free. So every city you go to,

710
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: somebody's trying to hit you up with. And I was

711
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: being offered like sandwich bags of cocaine and clubs. Back then,

712
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: you go to the bar to get yourself. I'm not

713
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: a drunker. I never smoked. I never got high a

714
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: day in my life. I go to the bar just

715
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: to get some trampberry juice and lege juice. Somebody at

716
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: tapping you on the side. Put that in your pocket. Brother,

717
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm gird. I don't miss that's ship I'm saying.

718
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you ain't giving you cocaine, you know,

719
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, definitely, definitely. But I was, I was one

720
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: with the whole group, but I was one that drugs

721
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: scared the hell out of me. You know, thug scared me.

722
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: And I would walk in two rooms and see cats

723
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: doing cocaine and having these parties where you know, on

724
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: the bed there's a big ass mirror and like you

725
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: see in Scarface with the mountains of coke, and I

726
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: was just walking right back out. I was, I just

727
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: couldn't be around that stuff and scared the ship out

728
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: of me. You know, go ahead, I'm sorry, No, go ahead,

729
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: you got it. No.

730
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: We come from that era, man, where we heard the

731
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: just say, you know when we were scared of cocaine,

732
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: because you know, that's when cracks started coming in our

733
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: community too, so we was kind of scared. I was

734
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: scared of differ cocaine cause I was always worried about

735
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: becoming a fiend.

736
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: But exactly, And I didn't want to put my mother

737
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: and father through that, you know, really their son drug

738
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, strung out on drugs. You gotta take me

739
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: to a center to get myself cleaning and all that stuff. Yeah, drugs, drugs,

740
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: I mean, And as I got later on in life,

741
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: I had a few beers here and there, but as

742
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: far as getting high and even smoking. I smoked one

743
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: cigarette when I was thirteen years old because my father

744
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: was a heavy smoker. It was a chain smoker, and

745
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool just to smoke, and I

746
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: took one puff, got sick as a dog, and never

747
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: touched your can. So that was the end of that

748
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: for me. But yeah, for drugs, Like I said, drugs.

749
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: Just scared to sit this day just thinking about drugs.

750
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Scared to help.

751
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You're not married, are you?

752
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: No? I've never been married. Little kids either.

753
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you got a girlfriend now, because I'm

754
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: about to ask you some questions.

755
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: I just got out of a relationship. Really, I'm not

756
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: built for relationships. You know, most people are built for

757
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: certain things. I don't think I'm built for relationships.

758
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me ask you this. You don't indulge

759
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: nothing else. I know, you have to indulge in sending

760
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: them women that was coming around. Man, you're always the

761
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: most famous cats in the world at one time.

762
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, being young and your testasial level is beyond the roof,

763
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: of course you're gonna indulge. So I mean, women are

764
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: gonna throw themselves at anybody. I'm no disrespect to women

765
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: at all, but women are gonna throw themselves at anybody

766
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: that's successful that they can you know, they can feel

767
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: around that's success, that's successful. Every woman want to sit

768
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: in the VIP at some at some point everybody wanted.

769
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Every woman want to be with somebody that's making a

770
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: lot of money or somebody that's successful. So that comes

771
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: with the territory. Whether you're playing ball or whether you're wrapping,

772
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: that's just part of That's just part of the game

773
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: for sure.

774
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: Who who had the most ladies of the group?

775
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Buff Buff? A lot of people thought it was but yeah,

776
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: us Buff us a sexual dvate. Sometimes I would go

777
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: and Buff's room, knock on the door and he would

778
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: he would come to the door, and you know we

779
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: have you know, it's hotels, so we have white lights.

780
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: He would change the light bulbs. It'd be like red

781
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: and blue and black light bulbs, and you know, you

782
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: walk in through a room and it's like two girls

783
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: and the band, Like, dude, what's going on? What like

784
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: we gotta leave tomorrow morning, like five in the morning.

785
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: What are you doing? No, I don't worry about I'm good.

786
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: I see the more Buff was living the dream he

787
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: had his dad. Boff took advantage of anything and everything

788
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: that had to do with fame and it. Sometimes we

789
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: would go to a radio station and we get back

790
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: on the back on the bus and me and Mark

791
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: be like, yo, where the Buff go? We go on

792
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: the bus, knock on the back door. Dude, how'd you

793
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: get a girl that quick? How did you make this

794
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: work that quick? We was only there for like thirty minutes,

795
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But if Boff was quick.

796
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: And Buff had woman, because I know Buff, you know,

797
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: not talking not to we talk about I was seeing

798
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: here to talk for hisself, of course, but he wound

799
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: up having a baby with Queen pe and wanted the

800
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: rapper Queen Pin correct.

801
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I ended the meeting. It was it

802
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: was it was two of them, see Tom Flame and

803
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: if she hear that, she knows what I'm talking about. Well,

804
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: it was like a summertime flame. And I'm like it

805
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: was her and out and another girl. And now I'm

806
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: always telling Bob y'oall. You know, when September come, you know,

807
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: we out stayed. I'm like, you know, both stays so

808
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: and they just stayed together and they had a baby together.

809
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: His name is Quentin, and he did a song with

810
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: Boosey matter of fact, and he's a rapper himself. He's

811
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: an artist himself. He lives out in Sacramento.

812
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: I think, oh really so so buff Son is a

813
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: bit in California.

814
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like six' five do as tall as as

815
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: Heck and always, said do you should have went out for?

816
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: Basketball is that?

817
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: What and what's his? Name?

818
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: Quentin you, said, yeah what's?

819
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: It Q q?

820
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: HANDS i think it is ut shoot mans just something like. That,

821
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah so Qu quentin became a.

822
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: Rapper you, know shout out To quentin, man shout out

823
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: the q NaNs whatever he called. Himself, man that's, dope.

824
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: Man you, know it's kind of refreshing that, here, man

825
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Because i'm pretty sure because you hear these horror, stories

826
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: that's WHY i always eight was here on this one

827
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: because he has a horror story with the music, industry you,

828
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: know as far as being taken care, of the advantage

829
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: of it sounded like y'all had your stuff, together, man.

830
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: We, did and there was a lot of dark. TERRITORIES

831
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: i was just doing an interview today AND i was

832
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: talking about this, stuff and a lot of people thought

833
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: it was all fun and games and staying In foster

834
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: hotels and having fun and. Whatever but there's a dark

835
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: side to everything that that's, good you. Understand so we

836
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: had a lot of dark, sides as you.

837
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Know, so.

838
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: And i'm gonna try to put the documentary out to

839
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: tell the whole. Story And i'm talking finances on down to,

840
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: management on down to, on down to a lot of

841
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 2: things that people would not think happened to a group

842
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: like us because they thought we were we were just young

843
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: and having. Fun so the good out way did the

844
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: good outwagh the? Bad, Yeah and a lot of cases it.

845
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: Did but sometimes the bad outweigh the good, easily you.

846
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: KNOW i know you you said, that you, guys you're

847
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna be working on a, documentary So i'm not gonna

848
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: ask you too, much you, know we want to save

849
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot for the actual. Documentary but what would you

850
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: say one of the worst things to happen WAS.

851
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: I think one of the worst things that. Happened wash

852
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: manager And mark started getting into this really back and

853
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: forth and and one point he wanted him off the.

854
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Group he wanted group he thought he was he was

855
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: doing the group a lot of, harm and we went

856
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: and sided with. It of, course we're not gonna side

857
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: with Kicking mark off the. Group you, Know mark is my.

858
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: Brother you Know i'm not Gonna mark. GO i, go

859
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: said the bof was gonna follow with me because SO

860
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: i would. Think one time he was forced off the.

861
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: Bus he was forced off the bus because our manager

862
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: wanted to kick. Him when you kick him off the

863
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: tour and we were in the middle Of South carolina

864
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: somewhere and he was being dragged off the. Bus something.

865
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: HAPPENED i forget what. Happened and it was at the

866
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: time we WERE i THINK i was like nineteen years,

867
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 2: old SO i WAS i was still relatively really. Young

868
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: it was just a REALLY i, MEAN i think about

869
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: it sometimes And i'm, LIKE i could have done. More

870
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: but it was at.

871
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: The time, though, man you didn't know how to handle.

872
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: It i'm pretty sure that was a rough. Situation you'd

873
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: being as young as.

874
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: You, were it's a really fast situation because you, know to,

875
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: see AND i thought at that time it was over for,

876
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: us because LIKE i, said it was a really dark,

877
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: times you know it. Was it was some dark times

878
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: and that was one of, them one of. Many and after, That,

879
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: yeah but, see after a while he started thinking that

880
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: as far as, him he started thinking he was he

881
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: made us instead of the other way.

882
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: Around so when you got young people who don't know any,

883
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: better who don't know anything about reading, contracts who don't

884
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: know anything about anything except, performing doing videos and doing promotional,

885
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: work somebody can easily get in your head THAT i owned.

886
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 2: You so you start Thinking i've actually worked for. Him

887
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i, SAY i actually worked for the.

888
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Management so that's how he had us thinking to the

889
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: point where it was almost like a dividing conquer kind of.

890
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: Thing so that particular, night what happened on that bush

891
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: was LIKE i just thought it was over Because i'm,

892
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: like well Then, mark excuse. Me Then mark bounce is

893
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: off one. Another as far as, rapping buff don't, Rap

894
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: and that's no knock against, him but buff don't rap

895
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: of just bet. Pops so we had to do what

896
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: our show every, night and doing an hour show without your,

897
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: BACKUP i got to do his parts in my. Parts

898
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: that's not a good. Thing so after three days he

899
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: had to come back out on the road BECAUSE i

900
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: couldn't keep that, up you know What i'm. Saying, so

901
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: but that was one of the. Times and you, KNOW

902
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: i talked about that With mark before he passed, away

903
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: and you, KNOW i had to let him know it

904
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: was we was just like in, shock like we couldn't

905
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: believe that was, happening you. Know so he, yeah it

906
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: WAS i forgot who was on who was With it

907
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: was security or something like. That, security and and he

908
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: was about and then he was about to get on the,

909
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: bus but they had put his stuff out the bus

910
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: already and it was blocking him from getting on the.

911
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: Bus that's what it. Was and.

912
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: You, know pretty much y'all bringing the money and y'all

913
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: the bread.

914
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: Winners, yeah, yeah that's the.

915
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: Thing he was a white guy at. Home, yeah of

916
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: course it's always white, dudes, man think they the one.

917
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: Hope, yeah it's a Dividing and when it comes to.

918
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: That please tell me he got he was we.

919
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: Separated, no we we we. Left we left. That we

920
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: did our last. Album we was contracted to our last,

921
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: album and after that we parted ways because the thing,

922
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: was first of, all we were getting older and and

923
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff he wanted us to, do and

924
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: with these kind of songs that he wanted us to start,

925
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: making we were, like, no we're, Good we're making those.

926
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 2: Songs we're gonna get back to our. ROOTS i, mean

927
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: we did The Chubby checkers, song The, twist we did

928
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: to wipe out some with The Beach, boys but he

929
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: wanted to keep those kind of songs, going and we were,

930
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: like now on this last, album we're gonna get back

931
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: to what we was doing on our first. Album AND

932
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: i guess he wasn't cool with, that but we were

933
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: cool with, that and so we just parted. Way SO

934
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: i don't really know how much the last album even,

935
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: sold to be honest with. You somebody said it was

936
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: like when we, laughed it was like almost approaching gold or.

937
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: Something BUT i have no idea how much the last

938
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: album even.

939
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Sold so y'all was selling that many records that you

940
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: just didn't even trip off of the, records was just the.

941
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: FORMING i think we just wanted to get away from

942
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: him and the. Label we just wanted to separate ourselves

943
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: From and so it sounded.

944
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: Like so he was more than just the standard. Manager

945
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: then he had his hand and all your stuff done pretty.

946
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Much oh, yeah, yeah it was him and his. Wife

947
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: AND i won't say, this they did look out For

948
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: buff When buff had his issues with his weight was

949
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: ULTIMATELY i wouldn't say his weight ultimately took him. OUT

950
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 2: i Think buff had it flew really bad and which

951
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: turned and just turned. Deafly but they were right there

952
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: with him when he had to do his whole weight,

953
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: procedure and they stepped into the plate at the time

954
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: to put him in a good, hospital get him a good.

955
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: Doctor BUT i think for the love of money is

956
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: the rude of all, evil and money could separate a

957
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: lot of. People so when you're when you're grinding and

958
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: start trying to get to the, top especially with maybe

959
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: two or three, people m and everything is everything is.

960
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: Good the rise to the top is the best because

961
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: you're working hard and you and everybody's. Communicating the chemistry is.

962
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Dead that's when that money comes into.

963
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Play money always destroys. Everything, Man and that's why it.

964
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: Stayed it's rare that you guys stayed together because even, Now,

965
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: man even with this podcast, Stuff i'm the inventor of this, Show,

966
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: man AND i went through so many, changes, man just

967
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: because you, know it's like money is the root of all, Evil,

968
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: man and people start thinking it's money that it is,

969
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: not you know WHAT i. Mean they don't understand that

970
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: when you put your money up for, Something i'm the you,

971
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: know WHEN i started doing this, Show, MAN i pretty

972
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: much refinanced my, house took the loan out against my

973
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: house to do the first maybe fifteen twenty episodes because

974
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't a whole bunch of podcasts all at that,

975
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: time AND i Was we were recording up in THE cbs,

976
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: building SO i was paying all this. MONEY i had

977
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: a big bill every. Week, man it costs a lot

978
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: of money to put the show. Together so people didn't

979
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND i didn't even recoup my money, initially you, know

980
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: because everybody just made a big. Deal it's, me, Me.

981
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: Me nobody ever knows the sacrifices that are, made you.

982
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, no everybody sees the finishing. Product nobody

983
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: sees the hard. Work it takes to get to the finishing.

984
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: Product and that's what's wrong with people. Now everybody see

985
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: everybody just looks back and they first of, all you

986
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: got a successful. Podcast you understand What i'm, Saying but

987
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: it took you a lot of work to get. Here

988
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: so everybody might look at you and, say, well that

989
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: looks easy on here do sit around and interview. People

990
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: they don't know the work you gotta put into. It

991
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: you can't just cut on the camera and just start interviewing.

992
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: People you gotta do. Background you gotta do all kinds

993
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: of researching behind.

994
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: It, yeah and the research that don't behind. It and

995
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: then let me tell you this. Too we are this

996
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: is our fifth, year sixth. Year i've never missed the. Episode,

997
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: man everybody else has missed, that you, know not saying

998
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: nothing bad about, Them BUT i don't have a luxury

999
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: because the show has to still keep. Going and we

1000
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: have a contract. Now so you just can't, say, oh,

1001
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: man we go disappear for two or three weeks and

1002
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: just go do this and. That, no it really. Ain't

1003
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: no vacations, made you, know or you're be in reach

1004
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: of your, agreement you. Know AND i don't think people

1005
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: know that with anything that's, great, man it comes a

1006
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: great amount of, responsibility and it comes with a lot of,

1007
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: stuff and it ain't all about Being it ain't friendly

1008
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: all the.

1009
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: Time it's not friendly all the, time and like you,

1010
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: said a lot of. Responsibility but here's WHAT i will

1011
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: always telling artists or anybody who's trying to get into

1012
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: something to be, successful whether it be, podcasting whether it

1013
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: be playing, basketball, football, raping, singing. Whatever when you when

1014
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: you're grinding and you're you're becoming. Successful when you start,

1015
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: trying when you start looking at your, work you lose

1016
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: focus because now you're looking at your, work, saying it's

1017
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: kind of like you be in the gym and you

1018
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: look in the. Mirror you. Understand that's why most people

1019
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: work out with a hoodie or because they don't want

1020
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: to see the. Results if they see the, results it's

1021
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: gonna stop. Them it's gonna make them lose. Focus it's

1022
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: the same thing as trying to rise to the top

1023
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: and trying to be. Successful if you stop to look

1024
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: at your, work you lose focus and you're staying at

1025
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: one spot and you won't go you won't excel because

1026
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: now you're looking at the. Work, wow look WHAT i.

1027
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: Did the work is not. Done you'll know when the

1028
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: work is done and then it's time to, rest you.

1029
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: Know but vacations and everything like that that can come

1030
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: where when you're, like, okay we're good. Now you, know we're. Good,

1031
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: now we could take a little break and come back to.

1032
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: It you.

1033
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: Know, now let me ask you, this, bro would you be.

1034
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: Interested i'm gonna tell you one thing that's really big

1035
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: and it's something That i'm working on now on the,

1036
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: side AND i kind of took a little break from

1037
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: it BECAUSE i do everything by. Myself you. Know, Again

1038
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: i've been doing Like i'm working on the on The

1039
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: Side fire podcast right. Now that's like a you, know

1040
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: it's all, audios one hundred percent, audio but has you,

1041
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: know full. Effects you. Know it's about The United states

1042
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: and the year, twenties you, know AND i think it's

1043
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: the year twenty sixty six in the aftermath of A

1044
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: nubia war In california is now in, island and then

1045
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: you have these other people that live like In Las.

1046
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Vegas Las vegas is like the. Mainland now they have

1047
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: this big metal wall in front of it to where

1048
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: all the wealthy people, live but all the gang bangers

1049
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: and all the undesirables got left on this island In,

1050
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: california and they really made it like a. Fortress they're

1051
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: growing vegetation over. There they have some symbolances of a,

1052
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: society schools and, everything and the people from behind the

1053
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: wall And vegas are trying to take this island from

1054
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: them because they're running out of resources over. THERE i, Think,

1055
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: man what you should. Do you should make That Fast

1056
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: boys story man out Of you should do a, doc

1057
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: man and make it a. Podcast the audio and podcasting is.

1058
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: Huge people forget about that because they see all the

1059
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: videos and stuff on, YouTube but the audio is. Huge.

1060
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: Man maybe we talked doing something like that That Homie

1061
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: charlomagne about that man and how my home?

1062
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: Grow?

1063
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: DO i think that would be? Dope. BRO i THINK

1064
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: i definitely think your story needs to be. Told. Man

1065
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: that's why it was so important the gets you on the, Show,

1066
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 1: man BECAUSE i, said people don't talk about you guys enough. Man.

1067
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: Not my big thing is we can't let get rewritten.

1068
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: Right. Exactly you don't want somebody to rewrite your history

1069
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: for you or write your history for. You but, YEAH

1070
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 2: i mean it's cats like yourself and a few others

1071
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: that really know the foundation of what The Fat boys

1072
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: was about and hip, hop you, know at a time

1073
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: where And i'm not saying this to be egotistical or

1074
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: pat myself on the back or pack the era THAT

1075
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: i came from the. Back but had it not been

1076
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: for RUD, Dmc Fat boys And, houdini Especially houdini with

1077
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: the classic songs they were, making they could have went

1078
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: on tour with a lot OF r AND b, groups

1079
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: movie making songs Like friends And Breeks Come out At

1080
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: night And One log and stuff like. That they could

1081
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: have straddle both, fences hip hop AND r AND. B

1082
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: but they we don't get the you, know we don't

1083
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: get the. Respect it's like they were skipped over a

1084
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: lot of, times and people skip over and go right

1085
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: into the eighty eight eighty nine. Era but it was

1086
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: it WAS us three and along WITH lll coming on

1087
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: after that that really put hip hop on the. Map,

1088
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: now the Song The, message By flashing The furies, five

1089
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: it put rap on the.

1090
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: Map, yeah oh.

1091
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah one of the most important songs in the history

1092
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: of Music's The message by By belly mel and then

1093
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: the Late Great Duke booty who who did the song with.

1094
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: HIM a lot of people think it was the whole,

1095
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: group but it was the oddest name by by the

1096
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: name Of Duke booty and really mel who made that.

1097
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Song but he told me that, yeah, Yeah and he

1098
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: also told me he was supposed to be on the.

1099
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: Song it was supposed to Be Duke booty And raw

1100
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: him on the. Song but so that, song right there

1101
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: was a played a pivotal role in, rap huge role in.

1102
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: Rap BUT i think we coming out and LIKE i,

1103
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: said RUN dmc And houdini ll coming. Out we took

1104
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: we took, Hip we took the, culture the hip hop

1105
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: culture as a, whole and brought it to the rest

1106
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: of the world because you got you gotta realize, this,

1107
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: Right we're on tour at the first with The First

1108
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: person Of war in nineteen eighty, four and we're going to.

1109
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: Cities we're going to small cities that don't even really

1110
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: know what the heck rap. Is just you, know they're

1111
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: they're kind of like they no Fat, boys they're no RUN,

1112
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: dmc they're No Curtis. Blow they Know whodini but not

1113
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: too not too. Well but they were coming out In.

1114
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: Groves we were selling our concerts like twelve to fifteen

1115
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: thousand a night. Easily and this is like nineteen eighty.

1116
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: Four so the tour played the pivotal role in the

1117
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: hip hop, culture and we played the role a huge

1118
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: role in the hip hop culture and excelling it and

1119
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: what LIKE i, said once, again the Movie Frusch school

1120
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: comes out in nineteen eighty, five and like the walls

1121
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: are torn are torn. Down now hip hop is is,

1122
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: here you. Understand BUT i don't THINK i don't think

1123
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: those groups get a lot of, that get a lot

1124
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: of respect for that and a lot of props for. It,

1125
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: now we don't go around and banging our our hammers

1126
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: on the gavel or banging the galvel and, saying, hey

1127
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: we look over. Here we did this and did. That

1128
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: but it's a few people that know about. It BUT

1129
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: i want to put out the dock and entry about

1130
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: the first festival as well the first hip hop tour.

1131
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: Ever so, YEAH i want to put you.

1132
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: Know, MAN i definitely, Man i'm gonna get With i'm

1133
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna get with my, Girl Dolly. Man shout out To Dolly.

1134
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: Man she's the president Of Black Effect. Network over iHeart.

1135
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: Man just a great. Person, Man this is our we

1136
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: about that we actually renewing with, them, Man we just you,

1137
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: know re up with, them man for our. Fiftuary we

1138
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: went To. Network since the, beginning man shot out To Dolly,

1139
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Man Dolly, bishop incredible. Person shots at the, Homeboy Charlotte.

1140
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: Mayne it's just been really a great thing, man to

1141
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: work with black, people because everybody over there is. Black you,

1142
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: know all the women that we deal with over, where you,

1143
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: know high cool, Man, chanell just great. One you, know great. People.

1144
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: Man we got The Black Effect, festival third Annual Black

1145
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: Effect festival coming up actually next, month and the. Land

1146
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: hey y'all make y'all, go get y'all. Tickets. Man it's,

1147
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: just you, know been a positive. Experience you, Know charlottagne

1148
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: didn't taking nothing from. Us we we had some stuff

1149
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: going on before we got with. Them you know how

1150
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: we were able to get to the deal and they

1151
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: helped us grow. Exponentially and you, know you hear horror

1152
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: stories of people trying to do. Stuff it's been nothing

1153
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: but good. Man the money is always. Right they haven't

1154
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: tried to steal none of OUR i p you know

1155
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: What i'm. Saying it ain't been nothing crappy. Man it's

1156
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: just been all.

1157
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: Good it's.

1158
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: Been it's been a very good.

1159
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: Experience you had a lot of. Stories, yeah you had

1160
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: a lot of stories from from from the third party of.

1161
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: People you know what it, is, man people from the

1162
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: outside looking in will never. Understand so they always going

1163
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: to make rumors because everybody's not built to do what you're.

1164
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: Doing everybody's not built to do with a whole lot

1165
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: of people who are being successful or doing, so they just.

1166
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: Speculating this is WHAT i always tell people all the

1167
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: time when they want to make when they want to

1168
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: speculate a story or tell a, Story i'm, like my

1169
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: thing was were you? There so were you're? Telling when

1170
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: you're saying something, like for, example WELL oj did? It

1171
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: well were you? There no?

1172
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: There what the?

1173
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: News well what's the news? There if you wasn't there

1174
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: and you take this to, court the court is gonna, say,

1175
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: well that's just here say because you weren't. There so

1176
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: this is WHAT i tell everybody when it comes down

1177
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: to speculating about somebody's. Business when somebody's trying to be

1178
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: successful or they are, successful and they're, saying, WELL i

1179
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: know he's getting ripped, Off, well what'd you hear that? From?

1180
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: Whoa this person told whoa were you there to see

1181
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: them getting ripped? Off, no, okay we shut the hell.

1182
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: Up him just speculating you don't want nobody coming to

1183
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: your job and, saying you, know do nobody come to

1184
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: your job and, say, hey your supervisor is ripping you.

1185
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: Off that's not your business. Exactly so that's not your

1186
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: business to get into somebody's professional. Business try to do

1187
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: stuffing for. Themselves you, Know i'm gonna ask.

1188
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: YOU i GOT i got two more questions for. YOU

1189
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: i got, cool two more questions for, you cool rock

1190
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: and Now i've always wanted to ask you, this, RIGHT

1191
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: i want to ask one of you, guys that's. Right

1192
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: was because you, know hip hop has always them very

1193
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: competitive since the, beginning right you Had Dougie fresh he

1194
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: had thrown the? Show was he? Dising was he dis

1195
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: In buffalo that when he Said i'm known for the

1196
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: not for the.

1197
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Involved HE i, mean it was kind of like taking a.

1198
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: Shop but at the same time he was letting people

1199
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: know this is WHAT i do and this is what

1200
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: he does. NOW i will say buff was pissed off

1201
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 2: every time that song came. On. Pissed BUT i mean

1202
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 2: the first time we heard. It we were still living

1203
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: In brooklyn and we were sitting out on the porch

1204
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: and this song came on the radio when the show

1205
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: came on the, radio and that part came, on And

1206
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: boff was, like, yo anytime he went to, battle anytime

1207
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: you want to, BATTLE i battled that. Mother so, yeah

1208
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: but even after, that every time the shong came, On

1209
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: buff will get pissed. Off so it was like a

1210
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: friendly little thing they were having back and.

1211
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: Forth but that's hip hop, though, Man you know, what

1212
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: nobody had to get. HURT i think the battle would

1213
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: have sold a lot of. TICKETS i think they could

1214
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: have went across the country and did. Dead.

1215
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: YEAH i always Tell, buff the only Thing doug had

1216
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: over you is that doctor rat and you can't. RAP i.

1217
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: Said but as far as, POWER i, said you would

1218
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: have took you would have wiped him off the. Map you,

1219
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: know he couldn't message your.

1220
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: Power, YEAH i don't think he could have messed With

1221
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: buff and the human beat Boxing buff was the human

1222
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: beat box.

1223
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: King, yeah Bu buff was nothing to mess. With Man.

1224
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: Buffers and there's a lot of beat boxers who always

1225
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,479
Speaker 2: tell me all the time Like buff was the guy

1226
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: who who got them into doing beat, boxing and some

1227
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: of these guys are. Good some of these guys are

1228
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: good because After buff started falling back from beat, boxing

1229
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: The buffer wasn't really practicing them. Much he can started

1230
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: to doing more studio work and more producing more production,

1231
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: work and every now and then he'll do some beat.

1232
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: Boxing but, yeah so he was the inspiration to a

1233
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: lot of guys who who started beat.

1234
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: Boxing without a. Doubt the second one and you go

1235
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: right in the home talk about now The Fat boys break.

1236
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: Up that'srom a movie that's for. MOM i, KNOW i,

1237
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: KNOW i mean JAY z said, it but who was

1238
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: from the?

1239
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: Movie but the coach references, man you, know From Krick

1240
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: Rocks Chris rock saying it man to the JAY z

1241
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: putting in the song that, say dang, man they talking about.

1242
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: Us i'll give you a quick story about. That i'm

1243
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: at my mom's crib one day and my nephew he's

1244
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: like maybe sixteen fifteen years, old and you, know he

1245
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: he coming to the world not knowing the time when

1246
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: rap music didn't, exist so everything with, him he's picking

1247
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: up rap music from the hutin claning. On you know

1248
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: What i'm, saying he knows how he knows HOW i did,

1249
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: it and he knows WHO i am for. Us so

1250
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: one day he's playing the. Song i'm going down to

1251
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: the basement because he's he's he's going to to the

1252
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: high school around, there and he's he's staying over there

1253
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: like for the weekends or. Whatever and SO i go

1254
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: downstairs one day AND i, said what is you just?

1255
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: Playing so he's, like, yo, uncle they're talking about. YOU i,

1256
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: said who's? That it's Jay. Z i, said play it.

1257
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: Again first The Fat boys break up and Everybody i'll wake.

1258
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: Up and now he's asking me, Questions, yo did y'all

1259
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: really break? Up? Now he wants to know about The

1260
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: Fat boys and. Ship So i'm, like, nah, no we

1261
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: didn't break. Up we're still together to this. Day but.

1262
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah so that's so a lot of people is hitting

1263
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: me up about, that and a lot of people's hitting

1264
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 2: me up on about, it like, Saying, yo he's just you, Man,

1265
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: yo just. Y'all it's just a, reference like it's just

1266
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: it's part of my said once, again people on the

1267
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: outside looking, in they don't, know they don't know what's going.

1268
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: On they just, speculate you, know, well they want to see.

1269
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: Drama you.

1270
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: Know, yeah people love you, know especially our. People that's

1271
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: what's wrong with podcasting right. Now people love drama and

1272
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: don't nobody want To it's way, easier, man to go

1273
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: up here and live on, somebody, man to cause a

1274
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: bunch of confusion rather than you, know put it. Do

1275
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: go do the research man on, someone, man so you

1276
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: can put together compelling BECAUSE i don't DO i don't

1277
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: like to call what we do. Interviews, man to, me

1278
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: we having a conversation just about somebody in their, history you,

1279
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: know but it does take a lot of does take, research.

1280
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: Man you can't be up to saying the wrong. Stuff

1281
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you know what you're talking, about you.

1282
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: Know But, man this is Definitely i'm gonna tell you,

1283
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: now aight is gonna be. Mad he missed, this, Man

1284
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: so were gonna HAVE i head it off like half

1285
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: the questioning THAT i want to ask you on purpose

1286
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: because we got to ask you on here. Again, Bro

1287
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: can we do? That?

1288
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: YEAH i GOT i gotta come back in and kick

1289
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: it with Eight, man that's one of my favorite. Artists,

1290
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: yeah because he's going for.

1291
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: SURE i know for sure he wanted to be here,

1292
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: THOUGH i know for, sure and he was, trying and

1293
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: he was trying to make it. HAPPEN i, said, bro

1294
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about a. Week you, know we'll do it,

1295
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: again you, know first.

1296
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: And, Foremost, MAN i want to hear some of her.

1297
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: Stories oh for, sure the next time we gonna have

1298
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: you come back on. Here, man it's, soon. Man can

1299
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: we do it the next few?

1300
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: Weeks, yeah let's do.

1301
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 1: It do it for sure and we. Go you, know

1302
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: on that, note we gonna check y'all out next. WEEK

1303
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: i love, y'all, man appreciate. Y'all. Man our fifth, Season

1304
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: man back fresh than, ever and we started off with a.

1305
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: Bang we hollocked y'all next, Week old on one? Second,

1306
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: right all, right all, Right, bill you're gonna stay on with,

1307
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: me hold on