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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. It is a Chili Wednesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I can't get warm for some reason. Yeah, Chili killy, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Chili Steelers Ravens week.

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Speaker 3: And we have our first injury report of the week

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Speaker 3: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Van Jefferson with the quadricep issue

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Speaker 3: did not practice. That's not expected to be anything serious.

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Speaker 3: Same with Naujee Harrison the ankle. That's a day of rest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Tomlin said that Dante Jackson with the hamstring didn't practice.

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Speaker 3: Nick Herbig a full participant in practice today.

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Speaker 5: Wow, okay, good.

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Speaker 3: We know Alex Heismith is out. He didn't practice. Isaac

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Speaker 3: sale Malu and Cam Hayward were given the day off

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Speaker 3: as rest, and Michael Pruitt with the knee did not practice.

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Speaker 5: So is high Smith one the only one we're really

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Speaker 5: really worried about? Yeah, you know, okay, yep. So they

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Speaker 5: should be pretty pretty good shape.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not in bad shape, but all haven't gotten anything

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Speaker 3: out of the Ravens yet, that's not surprising.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to Hamilton, I think is the one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is the one we'll be keeping an eye

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Speaker 3: on with that particular team. And if he doesn't play,

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Speaker 3: it's significant. You you dug up some numbers on that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 5: I mean, give me two seconds. But the bottom line

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Speaker 5: is their past defense when he's off the field.

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Speaker 4: The past defense when he's on the field has not

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Speaker 5: It's really bad. Yeah. Yeah, but when he's off they

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Speaker 5: allow nine point three yards for pass attempt attempt not reception,

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Speaker 5: not reception. Every time you drop back, you're almost gaining

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Speaker 5: a first down when he's not out. That's quite significant.

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Speaker 5: That's quite significant. He's a really good player. I mean

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Speaker 5: he's six ' four, runs like a gazelle, super versatile, smart,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's the skeleton key to their defense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Whatever they need him to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, if he is unable to play

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Speaker 3: in this one, the Steelers should be able to throw

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Speaker 3: the football, and they should be able to throw the

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Speaker 3: football anyways, I would think. But he gives them one

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Speaker 3: more guy in that secondary that is capable of Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You need to be aware of them. A little bit

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Speaker 5: right or you know, he's an answer to a lot

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Speaker 5: But he would be absolutely be a big loss. I

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Speaker 5: think he's one of the top two or three safeties

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Speaker 3: They're uh defense. We said this yesterday. This is not

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Speaker 3: your father's Ravens defense at all if you look at it.

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Speaker 3: And this is just going by the grading on Pro

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Speaker 3: Football Focus. Brandon Stevens, who's one of their outside cornerbacks,

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Speaker 3: he is one hundred and second out of the one

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Speaker 3: hundred and nine cornerbacks in the league this year. Marcus

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Speaker 3: Williams their free safety. He is eighty seventh out of

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Speaker 3: eighty seven safeties in the league this year.

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Speaker 5: Wow, and he got benched a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Now they can't. Yeah, he's been a good player through

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Speaker 5: his career. I don't know if he's paying him a

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Speaker 3: Opposing teams have a perfect one point fifty eight point

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Speaker 4: That's not good.

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Speaker 5: And he used to make a lot of plays. He's

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Speaker 5: not always not making positive plays for them, Yeah at all.

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Speaker 4: He actually his grade is forty two point eight.

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Speaker 5: Wow, he said last amongst all safeties.

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Speaker 3: Last among all safeties position.

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Speaker 5: Ro Quwant Smith. He's not had the year you would

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Speaker 3: So it makes you wonder, like when I wrote a

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Speaker 3: because the argument was always that Smith made Queen.

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Speaker 5: Right, because when they traded for him, Queen spiked, but he.

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Speaker 3: Was he was already on it, you know, he was

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Speaker 3: Roquan Smith and he got better, whereas Rokwan Smith in

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Speaker 5: And now he's playing next to a super young guy

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Speaker 5: i'd say Hamilton aside and Humphrey, it's pretty exploitable in

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Speaker 5: the passing game, right, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: They have I think it's six interceptions as a team

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Speaker 5: Doesn't really okay, which also means people aren't afraid to

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Speaker 3: You can avoid him and if Hamilton's not there, you

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yeah, I mean if Williams is now a liability,

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Speaker 5: Stevens wasn't nearly that bad last year. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: and Rokwan has been a really good player as a Raven,

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Speaker 5: but this year he is not.

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Speaker 4: The other thing about it, if you start looking at

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Speaker 5: Going back to coaching with them losing three major assistant

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Speaker 5: is showing up.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: People think that that Joey Porter Junior is highly penalized,

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Speaker 3: he has. He's drawn ten penalties this year. It's seven

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Speaker 3: that were accepted in three that either canceled out or declined.

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Speaker 5: The Ravens are highly penalized.

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Speaker 4: Nine of his penalties have come in two games.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you mentioned six.

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Speaker 3: In the game against Denver when Clinton Blakeman's over officious

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Speaker 5: And we were having a conversation off the air too,

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Speaker 5: like last year la Jarry Snead was number one and

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Speaker 5: that the top of the league in terms of penalties taken.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick certain has nine.

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Speaker 5: Okay, again match up against number one receiver.

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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner has eight. Trent McDuffie has ten. Okay, these

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Speaker 5: Does he really? Yeah? He was a little grabby coming

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Speaker 5: Marlon Humphrey has seven. I mean the petive the team

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Speaker 5: as a whole, it leads the league in penalties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, their secondary has a bunch of penalties.

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Speaker 3: That's where they're mostly coming from. They get a bunch

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Speaker 3: Defensive backs hard overcome. Yeah, yeah, that's going to lead

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Speaker 5: A lot of mental errors and blown coverages. And the

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Speaker 5: pass rush is good, not great even last year, like

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Speaker 5: when Clowney was there, a lot of their pass rush

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Speaker 5: was because of scheme, you know that. And they're thus

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Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator becomes the head coach at Seattle and

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Speaker 5: they're definitely not scheming up blitzes nearly as well either.

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Speaker 5: not great. I mean, Matta Bouquet is probably their best

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Speaker 5: pass rusher at his respective position. Like Van Neut's a

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Speaker 5: nice player, yeah, but he's kind of a do it all.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he wouldn't start for the Steelers, you know

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is is they traded for Trudavius White, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which I don't understand. In four games this season with

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Speaker 3: the Rams, Trudavius White had six penalties. Wow, he's among

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Speaker 3: the league leaders in penalties as a defensive back and played.

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Speaker 3: He's only played four games on right, he didn't play

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's clearly lost the step. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: I mean he had a bad injury, but two years

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Speaker 5: I mean that just shows how desperate they are for

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Speaker 3: And you know that was the thing Mike Tomlin talked about, Well,

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Speaker 5: And there's some of that, no, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: The run defense is really good. The run defense is good.

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Speaker 3: I don't care how you parse it has been bad.

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Speaker 5: It's flat out bad. I mean even like they allow

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Speaker 3: I mean, wherever you've won they allowed they've allowed over

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Speaker 5: Wow, I mean the dark by but still that's a ton.

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Speaker 5: I mean I didn't know that. The yardage wise, I

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Speaker 5: Like they're the most explosive offense in the league, and

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Speaker 5: they allow the most explosives on defense in the league,

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Speaker 5: and they're all through the because they're I think their

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Speaker 4: It's that bad.

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Speaker 3: They've given up seven touchdown passes of twenty or more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that leads the league.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't survise me at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a bad pass defense. And to

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Speaker 3: Tomlin's point, he's like, look you look at the players,

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Speaker 3: you look at the.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, right, right, So it's a little shocking.

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Speaker 4: Marcus Williams is a name again, they're paying him money.

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Speaker 5: Stevens has had a pretty good career. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: the linebackers have been good, while Roquan has been good

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Speaker 5: in coverage. Isn't this year for whatever reason. Yeah, So

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Speaker 5: I blame the coaching.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to be that or declining players,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it's a mix of bud.

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Speaker 5: It's probably a perfect storm of terribleness.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even Marlon Humphrey is now starting to get

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And you'll see them though, Like it seems

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just use that pace as a weapon.

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Speaker 3: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 4: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson, and we're pleased to be joined

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Speaker 3: now on the Justin Miller Hotline by Steelers running back

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Speaker 3: Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 4: Jalen. How you doing today?

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Speaker 7: I'm doing good?

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Speaker 6: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great?

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Speaker 4: Great? Jalen.

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Speaker 3: First of all, you guys, you guys are on a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I do feel like, you know, getting back to

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Speaker 5: So, Jalen, this year you have two do teammates on

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Speaker 7: I was, yeah, I haven't done it yet, but I

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Speaker 3: Jaylen, when when it comes to uh to practice, You've

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Speaker 3: You never take your helmet off when you're on the

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Speaker 3: How difficult was that for you? Actually being down for

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Speaker 7: I sucked, because obviously I would rather be playing. But

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Speaker 7: The parts to them for that also.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I said, I did a story on you.

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Speaker 3: For people who don't know, I did a story. I

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Speaker 7: Yeah what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just say, what.

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Speaker 4: Goes into that mentality?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 4: What? What's that? What is it that drives you like that?

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Speaker 7: I'd say, just you know, my love for the game.

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Speaker 7: We can get into that. But I just love the

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Speaker 7: And so my teammates are you know, like my brothers,

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Speaker 5: So, Jalen, you have a veteran quarterback that's been around

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Speaker 5: the block that may end up in the Hall of

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Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, he's very informative. He's a leader for sure.

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Speaker 7: He's gonna, you know, he's gonna let you know, like

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Speaker 3: You're you're actually returning kicks this year. You're back there

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Speaker 5: And did you return kicks from college or high school?

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Speaker 7: I was I was always the off return in college.

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Speaker 7: I didn't do anything in high school. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 7: we prepare like we're gonna get every kickoff in the game.

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Speaker 7: So you know, our special teams coordinator is good with

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Speaker 7: I was just like a kickout guy, like I'll run

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Speaker 9: You can see you doing that at all, Jalen, A

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Speaker 3: You came out of high school at the same time,

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Speaker 7: Nah, people gave us a nicknames and kind of just

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Speaker 5: We mentioned quarter O Patterson is a kickoff returner, but

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Speaker 5: He kind of is a unique build for running back too.

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Speaker 3: Jaalen Nausey was asked this question last week at his

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Speaker 4: Is that is that the Arthur stats factor?

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Speaker 6: Or you know, our old lineman they're.

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Speaker 7: They're really the ones who provide all the all our creases,

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Speaker 7: I would say, like getting used to that, I'd say,

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Speaker 6: We don't.

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Speaker 7: We don't sit there and question, you know, however, how

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Speaker 4: That went down well, Jayalen, we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: We know you got a busy week this week with

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Speaker 3: Calling in and spending some time with us here on

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. That was Jaylen Warren, Steelers running back.

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Speaker 3: Great dude and really good player. Glad to have him

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Speaker 3: back in the line up here for the Steelers and

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Speaker 3: good things more good things to come here from him.

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Speaker 3: But he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. This

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Speaker 3: is the drive on the Steelers Audio Network. When we return,

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Speaker 3: what'll we joined by the Dean of Doom all right,

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Speaker 3: Bob Labriola.

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Speaker 2: Right after this, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of

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Speaker 2: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 3: we're joined on the Justin Miller Hotline. Bye, the Dean

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Speaker 3: of Doom, the Lord of living in his fears. We

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Speaker 3: need like, we need music, intro music for this one,

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Speaker 3: like coming into the ring, like yeah, like Undertaker's music

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Speaker 3: or something.

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Speaker 4: Can we get can we work on that?

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Speaker 3: It's bob La folks, that would work. There we go,

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Speaker 3: that would work to I could see you, I could

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Speaker 3: see you bang in your head at home as you

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Speaker 3: as you get ready to come on here.

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Speaker 5: Bob Stan Saverne used to play x's and O o's

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Speaker 5: every time I came on. I loved it. That was great.

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Speaker 1: I bang my head.

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Speaker 6: I bang my head just because I'm coming on with

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Speaker 6: you guys.

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Speaker 4: That would be understandable as well. Labs. How you doing today?

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Speaker 6: Pretty good?

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Speaker 5: How you guys doing not too bad? Good?

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Speaker 4: Not too bad? Big week? It's Raven's week?

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Speaker 3: And uh you still get your does this still get

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Speaker 3: the juices flowing for you? After all these you and

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Speaker 3: I have seen every one of these meetings. For the

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Speaker 3: most part, these things. Somebody asked me in the comments

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Speaker 3: section of our and our YouTube channel here if I

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Speaker 3: had a favorite Ravens moment Steelers Ravens moment. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: that's like asking me to pick my favorite child. There's

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Speaker 3: just too many. Now, there's one, okay, I know where

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Speaker 3: you're going with that six.

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Speaker 1: In the two thousand and eight AFC champions I mean,

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Speaker 1: and then I can give you.

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Speaker 5: A second one, Okay, easily.

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's play on Christmas Day, the Immaculate Extension, not

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Speaker 1: only beat the Ravens, clinched the playoff spot for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: but eliminated Baltimore from the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Christmas Day. Oh oh oh.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's also a very, a very under the radar

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Speaker 3: Steelers Ravens moment two thousand and three, end of the

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Speaker 3: season and Brian Billick goes crazy trying to win that

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Speaker 3: game don in Baltimore knowing they had everything clinched, the

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Speaker 3: Steelers weren't going to make the playoffs that year, and

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Speaker 3: they had they had to get the running back what

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Speaker 3: was his name, the running back that went for two

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Speaker 3: thousand yards that year, Lewis. They had to get Jamal

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Speaker 3: Lewis over two thousand yards, and they had to beat

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Speaker 3: the Steelers even though they had already clinched and they weren't.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't get a bye. Steelers take them to overtime.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore wins the game, but the Steelers won in the

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Speaker 3: long haul because that loss dropped them to eleventh in

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Speaker 3: the draft, and they would have been what fourteenth had

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Speaker 3: they won that game, and they get Ben Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 5: Woh the other and the.

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Speaker 1: Other thing was the Ravens went to Tennessee and got

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Speaker 1: their butts kicked because they were all beat up from

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Speaker 1: trying to beat the Steelers at a meetingless game, and

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Speaker 1: Tennessee was a pretty physical team too. So that was

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Speaker 1: another one of those win win situations.

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Speaker 5: Is that, like the Eddie George McNair teams, probably Chris Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I believe, I believe at the time to Tennessee was

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Speaker 1: still in the in the same division. Yeah it was, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that that probably was the Stephens excuse me, the

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Speaker 1: Steve McNair Eddie George teams, and you know, but then

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Speaker 1: for theater, I mean you like theater theater too, I

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Speaker 1: mean there was James thrash stepping on Plexico burs his head.

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Speaker 1: There was the time Joey Porter Senior, he and Ray

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Speaker 1: Lewis had some discussions on the field and Joey Porter

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Speaker 1: Senior went to the Ravens buses after the game to

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Speaker 1: try and continue the discussion.

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Speaker 6: That was a that was a highlight.

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Speaker 1: But I mean there's been a lot of those kinds

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Speaker 1: of things too. I mean there were, uh, you know

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Speaker 1: heinz Ward against Ed Reid, James Harrison against the entire

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Speaker 1: Ravens team in two thousand and seven on that Monday

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Speaker 1: night game where he single handedly destroyed them with sacks

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Speaker 1: and an interception.

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Speaker 3: And fumbled worst and fumbles recovered and right still the

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Speaker 3: greatest That's the greatest defensive performance I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: I've heard you guys talk about it, like didn't Ben

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Speaker 5: throw like five times?

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Speaker 3: Be even brought it up five first half touchdowns in

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Speaker 3: that game, and nobody talks about it. It's as James

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Speaker 3: Harrison game. That's how dominant he was in that game.

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Speaker 1: And okay, full disclosure, I have to pick a player

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Speaker 1: of the.

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Speaker 6: Week every game for that game, I picked Ben.

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Speaker 8: I don't blame me because well no, because this was

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Speaker 8: my thinking about it, you know, I mean I could

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Speaker 8: have been talked out of it, but there was nobody

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Speaker 8: there to talk me out of it.

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Speaker 1: I was. It was my decision, and I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: figure it out. But if Ben doesn't stick every one

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Speaker 1: of those takeaways and turnovers and all that great stuff

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Speaker 1: that Harrison did in the end zone, maybe that game

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Speaker 1: isn't remembered as James Harrison's greatest game because it's not

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Speaker 1: thirty five nothing at a half time. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about that every time, and he was throwing touchdown passes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: He only threw the ball like sixteen times in that.

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Speaker 1: Game, right, and that five touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: In the first half.

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Speaker 1: Well, then didn't I think Ben threw for six touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in a game against the Ravens too, thirty nine, thirty.

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Speaker 5: Eight Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: So yeah. There's been a lot of.

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Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of memorable moments, a lot

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Speaker 1: of angst, I believe for each team, each team's fans,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe the greatest play Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: ever made in the Ravens series was not getting sacked

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Speaker 1: that time. It was.

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Speaker 6: Right, he just he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He just kind of worked his arms free and threw

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Speaker 1: the ball out of bounds. That enabled the Steelers not

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Speaker 1: to lose that yardage. And then fourth down red zone

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Speaker 1: Redman took a hand off a ran in for a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Because there were a lot of years where the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Ravens series regular season series, all that did was determined

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Speaker 1: the sight of the third game because they were going

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Speaker 1: to meet in the playoffs. Eight they were both twelve

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Speaker 1: and four. Twenty ten, they were both twelve and four.

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Speaker 1: But because the Steelers beat the Ravens at least at

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Speaker 1: least once sometimes twice, they won the division. And in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, if you win your division, even if another

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Speaker 1: team in your division has the same record as you,

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Speaker 1: you host any games against that team, and if you

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Speaker 1: meet in the playoffs. And that's why the Ravens had

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Speaker 1: to go to Pittsburgh in two thousand and eight, That's

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Speaker 1: why the Ravens had to go to Pittsburgh in the

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Speaker 1: division round in twenty ten, and that was the game

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Speaker 1: where that was the the coming up party of Antonio brownh.

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Speaker 4: Was the helmet catch.

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Speaker 1: The helmet catch game. So I mean, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of those kinds of nickname games, you know, the

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Speaker 1: pick six game, the Immaculate Extension game, the helmet catch game,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of those.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just hope that Sunday is, you know, something equally memorable.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about the Steelers Ravens games in that era, Bob,

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Speaker 3: and that that two thousand and six, two thousand and

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Speaker 3: seven to twenty ten era, I truly believe those those games,

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Speaker 3: and as physical as they were, were the reason the

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Speaker 3: league changed the rules.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Mike, Mike Tomlin is convinced that the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight AFC Championship game was what precipitated the player

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Speaker 1: safety initiatives.

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Speaker 3: They might as well have given every player on the

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Speaker 3: field a baseball bat and said, Okay, guys, go play

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Speaker 3: football because they were just destroying each other violence.

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Speaker 1: Oh my recollection of that is someone told me that

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Speaker 1: in the meeting, the last team meeting. I'm let's just

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Speaker 1: pretend that the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 5: Was on a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what the what day of the game,

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Speaker 1: what day of the week it was. Let's just pretend

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Speaker 1: it was a Sunday. The Saturday nineteen meeting, Mike Tomans

609
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Speaker 1: message message to the team was the most violent team

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Speaker 1: tomorrow will win. And the Steelers played like that.

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Speaker 5: So we've thrown a lot of names out there. Who's

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Speaker 5: your least favorite Baltimore Birdie of all time? And do

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Speaker 5: you think if we asked Ravens folks they would pick

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Speaker 5: hines Ward.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 6: I mean heines Ward for some reasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean that you know the physicality of it, and

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Speaker 1: I mean that was another you know, James had one

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Speaker 1: of James Harrison's greatest quotes after heinz Ward lit up

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Speaker 1: ed Reid and Edred was moaning about it. James Harrison's

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Speaker 1: line about that when he heard about what ed Reid

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Speaker 1: was whining about, he said, it's not so much fun

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Speaker 1: when the Rabbits got the gun, because you know what,

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Speaker 1: receivers aren't supposed.

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Speaker 6: To hit defensive backs. I mean, god, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're a Ravens fan, Ben has

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Speaker 1: to be high on that list. Sure, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: talk about thorn in your side. Ben Roethlisberger has to

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Speaker 1: be high on that list of guys you gotta hate uh.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for a Steelers fan, you know Ray Lewis.

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Speaker 5: I thought you might go to Lewis or Suggs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: You know, and I remember there were there were a

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Speaker 1: couple of games where Dankrider owned him, owned him lead

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Speaker 1: full back and Dan Crider was not a shrinking violet,

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Speaker 1: And there were a couple of games. You know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times those games were wars in the sense

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Speaker 1: that you know, very little rush yardage and those kind

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Speaker 1: of things. But every now and then, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers would would get it going a little bit running

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Speaker 1: the ball. The Ravens had some instances where they were

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Speaker 1: doing it as well. And I remember one game it

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Speaker 1: was at Heinz Field as it was called then, and

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Speaker 1: they ran a lot of what was it called thirty

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Speaker 1: four boss, I think Jerome's play and Dankrider was leading

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Speaker 1: Jerome up through that hole and ray Lewis, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's no shrinking violet either. He was coming in and

648
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Speaker 1: filling the hole, but Crider was digging him out of there.

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Speaker 1: And you talk, those were more violent collisions, I think

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Speaker 1: than anything that was happening with the running back and

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Speaker 1: the guys who were trying to tackle the blocker and.

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Speaker 6: The guy getting blocked.

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Speaker 5: The fullback hads right, yeah, fullback hids. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: To your point, Bob, by Roethlisberger and games started by

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Speaker 3: Roethlisberger against the Ravens. He was seventeen and ten and

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Speaker 3: for a while there it was like eight to no

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Speaker 3: at one point early in his career, and there were

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Speaker 3: some games there that he missed. But you know, for

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Speaker 3: him to have a winning record overall against the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: that the games the Steelers would end up losing in

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Speaker 3: those situations would be when he wasn't available. There was

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Speaker 3: a stretch there where he wasn't available. Do you see

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00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: some similarities there between that and what's going on with

664
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Bob. I mean, Lamar has been in the

665
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: league a while now.

666
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 5: And he played him.

667
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: He's one in four in his career against the Steelers.

668
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: He's been in the league more than four years, and

669
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: they play more than once per year.

670
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 5: They might play three times this year.

671
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.

672
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Speaker 1: The only thing is, I'm not going to deny that

673
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: the Steelers have a very impressive record against Lamar Jackson,

674
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and the way they play against him is as good

675
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Speaker 1: as any team in the league has managed to do

676
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: throughout Jackson's career. I just don't know that that's going

677
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: to be a forever thing. And at least this year,

678
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of I can seek a

679
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: little comfort, to use a mitouminism that if it is

680
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: an offensive shootout, the Steelers.

681
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 6: Have some bullet in the gun.

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Speaker 1: This time. They don't have to win thirteen to ten

683
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, for the first time since

684
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: you know Ben was maybe throwing six touchdown passes against

685
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: the Ravens or doing.

686
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 6: Some of the things that he did.

687
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: You know, this the Steelers offense, Russell Wilson, the receiver's

688
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Nausee Harris, and especially going against this particular version of

689
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense. It could be thirty eight thirty five

690
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Sunday with Baltimore's offense, and I think the Steelers can

691
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: match it if they have to.

692
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Speaker 6: Uh So, you know, it could be.

693
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: It could be a typical Ravens Steelers in a lot

694
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: of ways, but you know, in a different kind of

695
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: way too.

696
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 5: So do you think this rivalry is what it is

697
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 5: just because they were the two best teams in the

698
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: division at the same time, or do you think a

699
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 5: lot of it derives from there's a lot of similarities

700
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: in the organization.

701
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 6: Well, let's let's start with this.

702
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: They're the Browns, They're the Browns. That's that's how it started.

703
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean that they are the Cleveland Browns, and you

704
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: look at you know, before Modell ran out of town

705
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: and went to Baltimore, the Steelers' rival traditionally with was

706
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. Ever since the Browns.

707
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 6: Came into the NFL in nineteen fifty, now.

708
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't equally contested rivalry.

709
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 6: I remember film music once.

710
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Describing it as as evenly matched as the Soviet invasion

711
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: of Czechoslovakia. But the Steelers hated the Browns. The Browns

712
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: hated the Steelers. The fans hated each other. You know,

713
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: those Saturday night games in Cleveland were always eighty some

714
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: thousand people, fights in the stands.

715
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 6: I mean, it was ridiculous. And then the Model.

716
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Takes the team to Baltimore, they become the Ravens, but

717
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: they're still the Browns.

718
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 6: And so I think that that was a part of it,

719
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: you know.

720
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: It It laid a very nice foundation for the hatred

721
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: that still exists.

722
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 6: And then.

723
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: I think Mike tomlins Line sums it up to trains

724
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: one track.

725
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 6: That's what it is.

726
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: Two teams going for the same thing the same way,

727
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: on the same narrows. Trip of real estate. And you

728
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: know there's no finesse on either side. They're not trying

729
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: to h and as I used to say, even the

730
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: secretaries hate each other. I mean, so I remember one time.

731
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 6: An in turn.

732
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: You talk about not being able to read the room, and.

733
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 6: In turn wore purple that week.

734
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: You know he didn't get fired.

735
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 6: Well more than that, I don't. I don't know what

736
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 6: frowned upon to the end degree with how it would

737
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 6: be described, but it was that, yeah.

738
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: There's there's uh, yeah, it's it's it's legitimate.

739
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: I mean, there's it's not a manufactured thing.

740
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: It's and wait, wait till uh Renegade has played Sunday.

741
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: The Ravens they danced to that on the sideline there.

742
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: It's not a they the Ravens look at that is

743
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: as a situation where they know it's coming. They know

744
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: it fires up the Steelers and their fans, and so

745
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: they're into it. You know, they want it too, they

746
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: want the extra juice that that seems to provide. So

747
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's no shrinking violets in this. Again, as

748
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: I said, two trains, one track. That that to me

749
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: is a great description of what these games always have.

750
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: Been from the the.

751
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: Cordell Stewart game in nineteen ninety seven up there in

752
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Baltimore Memorial Stadium. Remember that one.

753
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: Bale the longest running Steelers history against the Ravens.

754
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 6: Yes, yep, and.

755
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: You know it was. It was one of those where, uh,

756
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: it was at the end of the game and you

757
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: just thought that the Steelers were going to try and

758
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: run the ball, run, run the clock out with a

759
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: conservative and I got to believe that the play was

760
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: called from the sideline and Bill Cower had to approve that.

761
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: But Cordell pulled the ball out and ran a bootleg.

762
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: Everybody crunched down on the in the middle of the

763
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage trying to stop the run and Cordell's

764
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: dancing down the sideline on what would he be go

765
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: eighty yards or with some ridiculous but I mean there

766
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: was that that happened. So yeah, there's been a lot

767
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of things that each team has rubbed

768
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: the other's nose in it. Here's one for the Ravens.

769
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever seen Ben Roethlisberger ever

770
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: take a beating like he did in the two games

771
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and six.

772
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Yeah, there were.

773
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: A couple of times he was sacked again. You know,

774
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: we weren't to the player's safety initiative yet, but I

775
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: mean I thought he was dead. A couple of times

776
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: he got hit by whoever it was. I don't remember

777
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: who was at that particular time. I don't think Suggs

778
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: was there yet. Maybe he was, I'd have to look

779
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: it up. But and Baltimore beat the snot out of

780
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: the Steelers.

781
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 6: Twice and that was the year after the Steelers won.

782
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl. So yeah, there's a lot of history there,

783
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: a lot of bad blood there. And you know, stories

784
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: also get told about, you know, rookies coming into you know,

785
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: the Steelers and playing this in their first one of

786
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: these games. And I remember Marquise Poncy, rookie in twenty ten,

787
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, was told something. You know, he was a

788
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: Gator and you know, Florida played some brutal rival games

789
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: in the SEC, and he was told, you know, they

790
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: call that Florida Georgia game the cocktail party. Well that's

791
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: that's what it is going to be, seem like compared

792
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: to Steelers Ravens. You're gonna you're going to think that

793
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: those games were the cocktail were a cocktail party compared

794
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: to what's going to be happening on the field on Sunday.

795
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 6: And you know, as I said, it's not for the

796
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: faint of heart to believe.

797
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: Live what's the what's the key to victory on the Sunday?

798
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: Do you believe for the Steelers?

799
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: As I said earlier in this discussion, I'm not so

800
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: sure it's going to be a you know, thirteen to

801
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: ten kind of game. So I think it's going to

802
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: be more of an offensive showcase or battle or.

803
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 6: You know that kind of kind of game. You know,

804
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 6: it's it's.

805
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Easy to say turnovers because when the game is always close,

806
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: like these always are, anything you do to help the

807
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: other team can often be the difference. I would just

808
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: say the Steelers A players need to play an A

809
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: A game. Your stars have to.

810
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 6: Be stars for both teams.

811
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: Whichever team wins. I think you will look back on

812
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: it and say, like the Ravens win, I would imagine

813
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and you know those people, Mark,

814
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, they had good games for the Steelers. I

815
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: think it would be you know, on offense, Russell Wilson

816
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: nause Harris on defense, T J. Watt Maker, Fitzpatrick. I mean,

817
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: those are the guys that have to show up and

818
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: do what they can do because that's what they're going

819
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: to be required to do to win this game.

820
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: On Sunday we have. The last thing I have for

821
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: you is do you think Tomlin and Harbaugh kind of

822
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 5: I know that you know that, I know that you

823
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 5: know kind of coach a certain way in this game.

824
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.

825
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: You know what they say, and I don't know if

826
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: it was Shakespeare whoever. Familiarity breeds contempt, but you know

827
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: those kinds of things, you know when you I think

828
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: when you start playing that game, you're really setting yourself

829
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: up for a curve ball because if you think you

830
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: know what the other guy's gonna do, because that's what

831
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: he has done in the past.

832
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 6: I think you're setting yourself up to be tricked. So

833
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 6: you know, I if I don't know, I'm really I'm guessing.

834
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 6: You know.

835
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: I got no idea. I don't have an id an

836
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: answer for you.

837
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 6: Man. All I can tell you is I think that.

838
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: You know this isn't This isn't that kind of game

839
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: where you're gonna trick somebody. You're gonna have to line

840
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: up and beat the snot out of your opponent. You're

841
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: one on one matchups. You gotta win those. You got

842
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: to do those kinds of things. I don't think you

843
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: win this game because of a play call or you know,

844
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: a gadget play or anything like that.

845
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 5: I just don't beat up the guy in front of here.

846
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: It's got to be. Yes, it is primal, it is basic,

847
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: It is fundamental. This is what the sport kind of

848
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: was drawn up by the guys who played it in

849
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: leather helmets. It's not really it's not about being tricky

850
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. You have to block and tackle.

851
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: If you're running the ball, you've got to make the

852
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: pile fall forward. If you're trying to stop the run,

853
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: you've got to make the pile fall backward. It is

854
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: it's I truly believe it's going to be that simple

855
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: and fundamental.

856
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Well, labs, we've we've kept you long enough here today.

857
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: We do appreciate your time and you moving your time

858
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: back a little, but you got pushed, you got bump

859
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: back for Jayala moren So, wait, what can we say?

860
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, well, I you know, hey, I don't I don't.

861
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a big shot, so I'm I'm

862
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: rooting for Jalen Warren on Sunday. I'll tell you that

863
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: I'd happily give him all of my time, you know,

864
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: for a big game from him on Sunday.

865
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but we're gonna let you go here.

866
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: Our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steeler's Digest

867
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: and Steelers dot Com and the Dean of Doom and

868
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: lord of living in his fears. I'll see you on Sunday, Bob.

869
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 3: We'll watch this Steelers Ravens matchup once again and enjoy

870
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: this one. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lawlly.

871
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

872
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: That's going to do it for our number one of

873
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: the Drive, Matt, and I'll be back with our number

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Speaker 3: two right after this