1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. It is Tuesday, December second, and the 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: second day of the Brian Walsh trial has concluded. And 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: this man has put together. They have this searches he made. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: He pieces together the murder for us almost. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: I never thought that I would say this about a 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: murder trial where there is no body, no actual evidence 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: of how someone died, that I could think on day two, 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case. 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: You said that earlier. And look, we're trying to give 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: this this defense attorney as much credit as we can 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: for what he's got to work with. But man, we 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: got a better idea even of how little he has 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: to work with. We've seen some of these and again, folks, 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of but 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: he just found her this way. But Robes sent her 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: to this story from the very beginning of these internet searches, 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know how you get around this stuff. 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: It was it's almost surreal what and how specific he 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: got in these searches in Google, where it was almost 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: where his head was in the process of covering up 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: a murder. And I say a murder because he used 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: how often and how specific he got in these searches. 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the 34 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: continue to blow your mind. 38 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: And some of these we've never heard, they haven't been 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: jaw dropping moment. This was State Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand. 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: He's the one who went through all the computers, all 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: the iPads, all the iPhones, so he was up on 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: direct examination and ropes. This thing went on for a 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: while where this very monotone of prosecutor is asking, very straightforward, 46 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: look at exhibit number do da da da? What is 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: its title? The guy would read it, give the time, 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: then they move on. So it was boom boom boom, 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: and you had to listen closely rolled because neither of 50 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they 51 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: were discussing. 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: So it's so funny you say that, because I actually, 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: you know, we're working here and also watching the trial. 54 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: I actually got bored because of the way each of 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice, 56 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention, 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable. 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: But if they I hate to say this, but they 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: found a way to make the most jaw dropping text 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be. 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: Like it was kind of they they they did the 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: searches of disservice in terms of what they could have 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: done with that as a juror. You know, I know, yes, 64 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: these are crazy things you're hearing, But when someone speaks 65 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: they tell you that the world is ending and you're 67 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: about to die, you still kind of are bored and 68 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: nodding off. You know you need so they weren't punching 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: it the way you would think. 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: They weren't there to perform, and that's fine. This is 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: not who they are. 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: Sorry, I pamajuror. I'm gonna need a little something. 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: From you, and every attorney will tell you that is 74 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping, 75 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: so we're gonna go through. There were more than the 76 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: ones we're going to read, but these were the most 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: lot of explanation. So a reminder here This was New 79 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: Year's Eve of twenty twenty two going into twenty three 80 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: January one is when he partied that night with his wife. 81 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: idea why now this are the Google and whatnot searches 84 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: road starting that night from when that happened. Hours later, 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: he's on the internet searching for all of these things. 86 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 2: So they begin at four fifty two, and they pretty 87 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: much let's just TikTok from there. The first one, ten 88 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: ways to dispose of a body if you really need to? 89 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell? 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: About a thirty minutes later? How long for somebody to 91 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: be missing? For inheritance? 92 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: It's a little quick for that one. 93 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: That was that was his third Google search right now. 94 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: That one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given 95 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: some thought. It couldn't have been his first time thinking about. 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: It without a doubt. And so then a few hours 97 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: later you get is it possible to clean DNA off 98 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon? That 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: is the common sense inference from that one, all right? 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: A few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone? 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: Same actually minute, how to dispose of a computer? About 102 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: an hour later, about half an hour later, she is missing? 103 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: Can I still use the card? Then? My wife is missing? 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: What should I do? 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: It's a bizarre one, isn't it? 106 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: Call nine one? 107 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: Is that a weird one. 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: Yes, is he trying to google what a normal nice 109 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: would do if their wife was missing, so he could 110 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: try to mimic the actions of a normal person. 111 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Okay, now here at about ten forty in the morning, 112 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: things get interesting, don't they. Robes ten thirty nine, he searches, 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now, 114 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one. Yes. 115 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, folks, they do not They have 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: never found this woman's body, and prosecutors have never gotten 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: to examine a body, so there is no cause of death. 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter 119 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search 120 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever 121 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: heard of how she might have died. There is a 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: knife involved. And then this next one robes at eleven 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: twenty eight best way to dispose of body parts after 124 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: a murder. 125 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: That's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from 126 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: the defense trying to explain, so we can get into 127 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: that in just a bit. But the next this is 128 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: unbelievable to me. The next search six ways to dispose 129 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: of a body murder, murder, murder? What was that about? 130 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. But after that, and this is interesting, 131 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: So what after that? But before the next one, About 132 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: ten minutes later, he searches Patrick Kerney. Now I'd never 133 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: heard that name. We all had to google him. But 134 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: he is one of the most prolific serial killers this 135 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: country has ever known. And he what he confessed to 136 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I think thirty five murders, but he went to trial 137 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: and ended up convicted for twenty one of those murders 138 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: murdered young men because he was gay, California preyed on 139 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: him and then he would chop them up and throw 140 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: them away in trash bags. 141 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 2: And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name 142 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: of a serial killer. Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial 143 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: killer name was the trash bag killer. That's pretty damn it. 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain it 145 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: as as a defense attorney at all. The next one 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: eleven cleaning up a dead body? After that, how to 147 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: clean blood from a wood floor? After that? Can I 148 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains? 149 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: After that? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night? 150 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes. 151 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: Right after that, we're still just past noon, folks, just 152 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: past noon, And he searches, want to get away with murder? 153 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: Use special detergent again, the murder word being used again. 154 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like once, this is now the third time. 155 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: I believe this is some. 156 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: Article he had looked up about the special detergent. 157 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: Okay, is it better to throw away crime scene clothes 158 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: or clean them? Crime scene clothes? Twelve forty four? How 159 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains? Four minutes later, 160 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 2: how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he 161 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: thought he was going to get a better result. And finally, 162 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on 163 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: blood stains on concrete? 164 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Okay? That's again he's giving us all these knife in. 165 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: The basement, right, I mean, that's what it would seem. 166 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: He's telling us what happened one forty three? What this 167 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: is what he searches? Can the FBI tell when you 168 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: access your phone? 169 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: Oh the irony, isn't that crazy? 170 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Next one one fifty two does the dishwasher clean blood? 171 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: And then this one wrote and this was long and specific. 172 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: That is the text of it. If you see it there, 173 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this 174 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: search in there. Is it possible that a knife which 175 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: been washed with hot water and dish washer soap. 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: So my mind, the only thing I could think of 178 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: was that he did know that his wife was having 179 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: an affair, and he was concerned that maybe she could 180 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, and in killing 181 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: was worried about getting HIV. 183 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: It's a lot of maybes for that's a lot. 184 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: Of that is a no sense, wild and strange and 185 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: specific search. Then at two am, he searches how to 186 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: remove a SIM card from an iPhone, the next minute 187 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop. 188 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: And then he asks the following morning at ten thirty 189 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: how long do stores keep security footage? And then at 190 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: twelve twenty seven he starts asking very specifically, how to 191 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: saw a body. 192 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the same minute he asks that another search 193 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: how to dismember a body. Soon after that hack saw 194 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: the best tool for dismembering a body soon after that, 195 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial after that, 196 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: can you be charged with murder without a body after that? 197 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Murder conviction without a body? Dash Wikipedia. This does not 198 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: sound like a man who just was involved in an 199 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: accident with his wife. 200 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: Who was worried about his three sons. That is what 201 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: his defense is that we learned about, at least in 202 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect 203 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: these to be the searches from a man who was trying, 204 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: who freaked out panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder, 205 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: about knives, about blood. That makes no sense. 206 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: And a reminder, folks, as you listen to these, his 207 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: story is that he came upstairs and she was dead. 208 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: He shook her so violently trying to wake her up, 209 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't 210 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: said anything in his story that would suggest this type 211 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: of violence and blood necessarily right. 212 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: And he said he was he didn't think anyone would 213 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: believe he didn't have anything to do with her death, 214 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too. 215 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: So this is what he is saying. But let's just 216 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: continue with these searches at one twelve pm. Can you 217 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: identify a body with broken teeth? One fourteen? Disposing of 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: a body in the trash two fifty one? What powder 219 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: masks smells the best? Can I mix White's vinegar to 220 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: stop smells? 221 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: He continues, the day January third, Now again the wife 222 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: hasn't been seen since January one, January third, One fifteen 223 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body 224 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: smell good? Five o'clock in the morning cleaning up blood 225 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: without leaving a trace? Five tips? Six fifty five? Are 226 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: footprints easy to wash away? One o'clock in the afternoon 227 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: the same day, how long for a dismembered body to decompose? 228 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: After that body found at trash station? And after that? 229 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then 230 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: another question here, can police get your search history without 231 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: a computer? 232 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: It turns out the answer to that is yes. 233 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Roach, we don't know what happened to her, 234 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: but he just told the story. Now the only thing 235 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: we're missing is does something happen just in the heat 236 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of the moment? But he is explaining almost the crime 237 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: to us. I don't know how you get around that. 238 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: As a juror listening to that, I don't know how 239 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't 240 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: know how you defend yourself. 241 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense, 242 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: and we got an idea of what it was. Yes, 243 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: stay here, folks, after the break, we will tell you 244 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: what the defense attorney said about these searches and why 245 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: the word murder might have been in there. We continue now, folks, 246 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial. And day 247 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: two already Rose, you're the one said it a couple 248 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: of times earlier. I've never seen the trial where I 249 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: just thought they could the prosecution you can rest right now, you. 250 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: Wrap it up right now, and the jury, I would 251 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: feel pretty confidently now I get it. The defense has 252 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: not been able to put up their defense. But just 253 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: from what I heard, I cannot imagine what would change 254 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife. 255 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: Again, that's why we have to have a trial, right, 256 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: we have to hear both sides of what the street 257 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to 258 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: be tough to get around. Now. A couple of we 259 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: mentioned knife blood, concrete. These are some of the things 260 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: we were hearing from the first time are broken teeth. 261 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: All of these suggest that something violent took place, but 262 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: the one that certainly jumped out of people. And he said, 263 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: can you dispose of a body? Or how to after 264 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: a murder? 265 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: Correct? 266 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: He type that in not just how to dispose of 267 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder? 268 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: Isn't that so interesting? 269 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: So what mindset could he have been in short of 270 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: being a murderer? Well? What did you make of the 271 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: response from his attorney day? 272 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: He was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting 273 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: the kind of searches that are the kind of results 274 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: he wanted. That it was too generic, that he could 275 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something that wasn't 276 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: what he was interested in. So he needed to get 277 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: really specific. And so by saying murder, wow, it would 278 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: make it make more sense that he wanted to figure 279 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: out how to get rid of a dead body. 280 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now do you 281 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: buy that I am not creative enough that I could 282 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: have come up with that? But once I heard it, 283 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: and haven't you done a search before? If it's one thing. 284 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food 285 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: near me makes a difference. You add things sometimes to 286 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm 287 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give tip. 288 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: I'll give tipt In Larry Tipton a little bit of 289 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that 290 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: I'm buying it. I mean I see where he was going, 291 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: and I see where his logic was, and that probably 292 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: was the best way he could would have explained why 293 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: you would say murder. He could have said dead body. 294 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: He could have you know, there was nothing about accidental death. 295 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: You know, my opinion would be if that did in 296 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: fact happen the way he said it did, he walked 297 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: up his wife is accidentally dead, I would be googling 298 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: things like how could a woman die unexplained on her 299 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: own in a bed like you know, if I was 300 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to 301 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: let police know, I'd be checking to see how my 302 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: wife might have died first before I'd be trying to 303 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: figure out how to dismember her body. My god, see, 304 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: I just think. Look, the judge said this yesterday when 305 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: he first spoke to jurors that this was going to 306 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: require common sense, and that is where the defense has 307 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: a problem. 308 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges 309 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of 310 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: you think you can't find twelve people with common sense 311 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. We have to give. 312 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: We have to think that these are pretty average if 313 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: you will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right 314 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: in front of them. 315 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: Correct exactly. And look, there was a lot said as 316 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and 317 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife. 318 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: And I know this is obviously them setting up or 319 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case. 320 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: But I did think that Tipton had a good point 321 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator. 322 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, about the search he wasn't necessarily just searching for 323 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that 324 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: actually trip the officer off, I thought. 325 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: And also saying some of the searches, he said, did 326 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, because they're implying that the whole motive is 327 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and 328 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: was going to leave him, and that's why some of 329 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: the divorce searches came up and look tipped into his 330 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to 331 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would 332 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: get what just sales, and it wasn't that they had 333 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets. 334 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 2: And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it 335 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether. 336 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: Or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced. 337 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: He he doesn't have a lot to work with, He 338 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: doesn't have a lot time. It's almost you feel bad 339 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: for him as you're watching him, because you know he's 340 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: trying and we know what he's up against. And look, 341 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. She said, yeah, 342 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 3: this is a you take it. He has nothing to 343 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: work with him. 344 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: He's called it. She called it a poop sandwich of 345 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 2: a case or something to something to that degree. But 346 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: certainly that is the case. And yet you know, this 347 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money. 348 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: They get they get creative, they find a way to 349 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: defend these seemingly undefendable or indefen Yeah, undefendable and that 350 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: might be I know, is it indefensible or undefendable? 351 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: Okay, some of you know it's indefensible. 352 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will 353 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: continue to cover this trial and they broke up, broke 354 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: off a little early today, but they will be picking 355 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 2: back up tomorrow at nine am and we will be watching, 356 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: so stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the 357 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening everyone, I'm Amy 358 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.