Speaker 1: M QAnon. Wow, what great timing. Amazing timing here, So
Speaker 1: let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, yesterday we saw a series of
Speaker 2: unprecedenting swings in the odds for who would go number
Speaker 2: one in the draft. In the span of eight hours,
Speaker 2: Jabari Smith went from negative ten thousand, which means for
Speaker 2: every dollar you bet, you get back one penny, to
Speaker 2: plus three hundred to plus three hundred, which means for
Speaker 2: every dollar you bet bet you get back three dollars,
Speaker 2: and then it went back down again. Eventual number one
Speaker 2: pick PLO Ben Carol was plus twenty two hundred, which
Speaker 2: means every dollar you get back, you get every dollar
Speaker 2: you bet you get twenty two back.
Speaker 1: Ten days ago, never seen anything like this.
Speaker 2: So to help us understand what all happened and how
Speaker 2: it might affect future drafts the league as a whole,
Speaker 2: please welcome Matt McEwan. Matt is editor in chief of
Speaker 2: the Sports Betting Dime. He has been a friend of
Speaker 2: a show for a long time now. He is also
Speaker 2: he has created their futures trackers, score predictors.
Speaker 1: And other betting models. Welcome to the show, Matt, he
Speaker 1: so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for coming on, man, it was what a
Speaker 2: crazy time it is to be a sports betting person
Speaker 2: in the business.
Speaker 1: I had people even that were people that were.
Speaker 2: Newsbreakers who wanted to get my perspective in terms of
Speaker 2: how this blew up on Twitter, you know, not just
Speaker 2: gambling Twitter, but NBA Twitter. So I figured, you know,
Speaker 2: for the people to get somebody on who does this
Speaker 2: all the time and understands how markets move.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to have you on.
Speaker 2: Explain to those maybe who don't bet or don't understand,
Speaker 2: you know, how these things go. How we can get
Speaker 2: odds change so rapidly and so wildly in such a
Speaker 2: short period of time, and not just in one direction
Speaker 2: where everything goes and stays, but then in every direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm interest it all boils down to money, right,
Speaker 3: And these sports books they aren't you know, they're in
Speaker 3: the betting industry, but they're not into making bets themselves.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: They're not sitting here saying, okay, we're okay if we're
Speaker 3: you know, have this massive liability on Palo to go first. Now,
Speaker 3: their job is to even the money up proportionally.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: What they want is, again it's not necessarily an equal
Speaker 3: amount of money on each side. But what they need
Speaker 3: is a proportional amount of money on each side, right.
Speaker 4: And I say that because, hey, if you got.
Speaker 3: Minus one ten odds on each side, sure you want
Speaker 3: equal money on each side. But when we're talking about
Speaker 3: something like you just said there where Jabari Smith was
Speaker 3: minus ten thousand, you know that's okay. You you you
Speaker 3: should have a lot more money on Jabari Smith than
Speaker 3: you should have on anybody else at that point. Right,
Speaker 3: So you know what this this was just very interesting
Speaker 3: to see the money flowing right, And that's exactly what
Speaker 3: happened here was you know, and we live in this
Speaker 3: age of social media now and it's becoming stronger, and
Speaker 3: the insiders and the rumors and and you know, whether
Speaker 3: they're real or or fake, they're flowing right. And all
Speaker 3: it takes, as we've seen, is one of them to
Speaker 3: get a ton of people on it willing to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna throw some money on this side.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's got some value. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you create some steam. You got a ton of money
Speaker 3: coming in there. The book starts saying, we can't have this.
Speaker 3: You know, if this event occurs now we would be
Speaker 3: out a lot of money.
Speaker 4: So what do we have to do. We got to
Speaker 4: start driving some money on the other options, right, So.
Speaker 3: That's where you see this fluctuation happening, and that's why
Speaker 3: you saw it happen so fast, so wildly, Like you
Speaker 3: described there, right, there was just this massive flow of
Speaker 3: money that started about seventy two hours ago on Palo there.
Speaker 3: And you know, then Wadge sends out his tweet that
Speaker 3: it is going to be Jabbari, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: everybody's back on Jabbari, and so then they've got to
Speaker 3: swing it again because they're all of a sudden liable again.
Speaker 3: They're not in a good position in where the money's lying, right,
Speaker 3: So it was wild and you know, for those who
Speaker 3: are familiar, you know NFL fans as well.
Speaker 4: We saw this happen in the NFL draft too, right
Speaker 4: with Aiden Hutchinson and Trevon Walker. We even saw it.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go a little bit further back,
Speaker 3: Icky and Evan Neil, all of a sudden were the
Speaker 3: favorites to go first overall, right, and same type of thing.
Speaker 3: It didn't happen, you know, as you know, as abruptly
Speaker 3: as this one did. But as as more markets come online, right,
Speaker 3: more people are betting, there's more money available to be
Speaker 3: bet and just more rumors going.
Speaker 4: Around, right. So that's that's why it's it's essentially the money.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious what can betters learn from this the
Speaker 2: next time it happens, and is there a philosophy because
Speaker 2: it feels like seventy two hours ago there was no
Speaker 2: news that was the reason that Paolo was getting a
Speaker 2: lot of influx of money other than just the value
Speaker 2: of seeing twenty two twenty one.
Speaker 1: To one odds.
Speaker 3: Well, So, I mean, if there's a lesson here, and
Speaker 3: I mean I think this goes beyond sports, even Tristan,
Speaker 3: I know this is a sports podcast, but I mean,
Speaker 3: if there's a lesson, it is you know, understand the
Speaker 3: sources that you're or trusting, right, and it's you know,
Speaker 3: these insiders understand that they don't need firm, credible evidence
Speaker 3: to go and put out a report, right, they just
Speaker 3: need a rumor and and it's and it's a report.
Speaker 3: So you know, if there's a lesson that you had here,
Speaker 3: I think it's, uh, it's one, you know, know your sources,
Speaker 3: but two, understand that around these drafts, nobody knows anything,
Speaker 3: you know, and and the teams themselves are are thrown
Speaker 3: out fake reports to try to throw each other off
Speaker 3: of you know, each other's scent, right the I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, nobody, nobody wants to nobody. They they don't
Speaker 3: want everybody else knowing who they're taking first overall, right,
Speaker 3: They they would love they would have loved, you know,
Speaker 3: somebody to try to trade up to come get Jabbari
Speaker 3: Smith because you know, they wanted Jabbari Smith and that
Speaker 3: was their guy, right.
Speaker 4: So it's it's just knowing.
Speaker 3: That these drafts are very unpredictable, and and you know,
Speaker 3: when you do see twenty two hundred huts, it is
Speaker 3: worth a little sprinkle. You know, obviously we bet responsibly,
Speaker 3: and you know, don't don't put your life savings on
Speaker 3: something like this, but couple bucks at twenty two hundred
Speaker 3: at that point, I mean, you know, obviously you were
Speaker 3: laughing come come draft day, if you if you got
Speaker 3: on that train early.
Speaker 2: How does this compare to other drafts that we've seen
Speaker 2: in the NBA, because it feels like most are pretty
Speaker 2: consensus number. Like I'm thinking about the Zion draft, there
Speaker 2: was nothing that anyone could do to get me to
Speaker 2: draft any to get me to put money on anyone
Speaker 2: but Zion.
Speaker 1: And so, so, how does what we saw last.
Speaker 2: Night compared to maybe what you've seen in prior drafts?
Speaker 3: You are absolutely correct, right, I think this was the
Speaker 3: first draft in a little bit that we have seen
Speaker 3: a little bit of skepticism over, like who who is the.
Speaker 4: True number one here?
Speaker 3: Right and there there wasn't any clear sign that it
Speaker 3: is this guy.
Speaker 4: So no, this, this this was unique.
Speaker 3: This, this wanted to be very honest with you, reminded
Speaker 3: me of of certain NFL drafts where there isn't that
Speaker 3: top flight quarterback, right whenever you have the top quarterback,
Speaker 3: you know, you know who's going number one. But this
Speaker 3: reminded me of that where it was all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you know there. I know Chat didn't really ever see
Speaker 3: like you know, his odds shortened a ton, but.
Speaker 2: I think plus one eighty all the way down to
Speaker 2: one ten back up the plus four hundred up to
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred on draft day, So a little.
Speaker 3: Some some movement there, right, but he he What I
Speaker 3: was saying is essentially he never became a favorite, right
Speaker 3: like he there there there wasn't this swing to chat Alveston.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it very well could have
Speaker 3: been Chet as well. Like there there were there were
Speaker 3: three guys that really it could have been any one
Speaker 3: of these, right, And no, this was truly unique. And
Speaker 3: this is you know, you get these betting opportunities very seldomly,
Speaker 3: you know, these these types of things, don't I mean
Speaker 3: the draft itself when it shows up once a year,
Speaker 3: and like you said, most are you know, consensus, there's
Speaker 3: a number one. This guy's going, don't waste your money
Speaker 3: on anything else, right, So no, I mean to your
Speaker 3: to your point before it's you know, understand when there
Speaker 3: is uncertainty and capitalize.
Speaker 1: Do you think this changes how.
Speaker 2: Information like the news information business around events like the draft,
Speaker 2: Like does this put does this put pressure on maybe
Speaker 2: making these non sporting sporting events illegal nationwide because they
Speaker 2: are so predicated on information and not something that's like
Speaker 2: completely unpredictable, given that there's already five states, including New York,
Speaker 2: where it's not legal.
Speaker 3: So I personally don't believe we're going to see this
Speaker 3: mass rush to like, hey, let's not offer odds here.
Speaker 4: This is just too much.
Speaker 3: I think the you know, the moves we'll see are
Speaker 3: are likely going to be. You know, there's some states
Speaker 3: that basically shut shut it down, like twenty four hours prior.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: That's that's one step I think we would see well
Speaker 3: before anything like that. The other one is just cap
Speaker 3: in the bets, right, like take you know, and they
Speaker 3: already do to an extent. You know, every sportsbook has
Speaker 3: the right to refuse any bet that you come to
Speaker 3: them with, and they do. You know, if you showed
Speaker 3: up with, you know, half a million dollars on Paalo,
Speaker 3: I don't think any sportsbook would have taken at.
Speaker 1: Twenty two to one. They're like, nah, dog, no chance.
Speaker 4: Right, nobody wants that liability.
Speaker 2: Would they let me ask you a quick follow up question,
Speaker 2: would they move the line even if they didn't take
Speaker 2: the bet? Just like say I gets them five, I
Speaker 2: want to put five hundred thousand dollars on Palo twenty
Speaker 2: two to one? They turn me away? Do then the
Speaker 2: traders go back into a little powwow and say, holy shit,
Speaker 2: we there's something that might be Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: That in itself may not move the line right away,
Speaker 3: but that's gonna put high alert on that line all
Speaker 3: of a sudden and you're gonna have somebody watching that
Speaker 3: line and watching every bet from there out that comes
Speaker 3: in on that line, right and and yeah, your your
Speaker 3: your next bet on that draft is not gonna be
Speaker 3: accepted as quickly as it would have been ten minutes ago. Right,
Speaker 3: So it may not shut it down, but high alert
Speaker 3: that that that's gonna get the attention.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So, you know, those are the moves I think we
Speaker 3: would see, right just and and and we already do
Speaker 3: see them to an extent.
Speaker 4: They just may continue moving in that direction.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're you know, they take less, you know, five
Speaker 3: figure bets, four figure bets on these types of events, right,
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll they take They take too much handle,
Speaker 3: you know, for for what it is, like, it's it's
Speaker 3: worth it for them.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Adrian woj Zanowski, as well as Sham Sharanya to
Speaker 2: the top newsbreakers in the business have been courted.
Speaker 1: It's no secret they're being courted by books.
Speaker 2: How does this change if woj is working for someone
Speaker 2: like points Bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean that's an interesting one in in
Speaker 3: my opinion here, you know, and I think what what
Speaker 3: we all hope.
Speaker 4: This means is just that his information goes to the
Speaker 4: books first.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what they're paying the seven million dollars or
Speaker 2: whatever it is for.
Speaker 3: And and that's it, and it's it's basically before you
Speaker 3: go public, it's hey, just let us know so that
Speaker 3: we can put our line either on alert, we can
Speaker 3: move it, or we can just take it down. Right,
Speaker 3: And uh so, what what does that do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: As a better it gives you less opportunities to expose
Speaker 3: a bad line. But again, as we've said, like this
Speaker 3: is only like the informational based betting events too, right,
Speaker 3: so you know, sure woes might have an injury to
Speaker 3: report ahead of time, right, I feel there's I feel
Speaker 3: there's enough people that are you know, privy to that
Speaker 3: information that you'll still get it in a reasonable time,
Speaker 3: you know, And when it comes to a single game
Speaker 3: like that, there's enough handle on it that you're not
Speaker 3: going to instantly start moving that line. So you know,
Speaker 3: it does though, it will limit your opportunities to expose
Speaker 3: a bad line.
Speaker 2: Do you think what we saw was good for basketball
Speaker 2: or bad for basketball?
Speaker 3: I thought it was good, So I mean, I'll be
Speaker 3: very honest with you. And and just again from I
Speaker 3: hate to keep calling back to the NFL here. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you know I'm a big NFL fan. The NFL
Speaker 3: Draft for me anyways, and I think for most Americans
Speaker 3: as well, is a much bigger event than the NBA
Speaker 3: Draft is, you know, And the betting handle says so
Speaker 3: as well. You know, the Johnny Evello was on talking
Speaker 3: about the NFL Draft being at least three times the
Speaker 3: handle of the of the NBA draft, you know. So
Speaker 3: I feel it was good. I feel all this because
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, every time someone sees a long
Speaker 3: shot win, right, their head gets filled with that could
Speaker 3: be me, you know next time. Maybe maybe that could
Speaker 3: be me. Maybe I could be that lottery winner next time.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So I think it's great for basketball. I think it
Speaker 3: will drive a little more interest in next year's draft
Speaker 3: and you know, specifically betting on the draft as well, right,
Speaker 3: which I mean that drives a lot of interest.
Speaker 2: We saw a trade before the draft, Christian Wood got
Speaker 2: moved based on the perception, the false perception that Jabari
Speaker 2: was a lock to go number one, that Carol was
Speaker 2: going to be there for Houston at number three.
Speaker 1: Does this.
Speaker 2: Does that change like pre draft trades from got from
Speaker 2: teams in the lottery perhaps, like, how do you think
Speaker 2: this changes I guess how how teams communicate with one another.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I think that was always a concern, you know, like
Speaker 3: that was always a risk that that they were taking
Speaker 3: in doing so right. And I would you be willing
Speaker 3: to bet money that this isn't the first time that
Speaker 3: you know, one team maybe fed another team that information
Speaker 3: about what they were doing. You know, I don't think
Speaker 3: that's that's never happened before. So I you know what,
Speaker 3: I I don't I don't think that has any effect.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Houston maybe got burned a little bit,
Speaker 3: but I think they're gonna be okay to borri Ma.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at odds now.
Speaker 2: For Rookie of the Year and I see that Paolo
Speaker 2: ban Cao is the odds on favorite plus three hundred.
Speaker 2: Why does this say he's in Detroit. That's so weird. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that's strange. Palo ban Caro plus plus three hundred. The
Speaker 2: longest odd that I see on sports betting dime is Jalen.
Speaker 1: Duran at thirty to one.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, though, for those who have never bet on
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year before, what's the smartest strategy to
Speaker 2: bet on that.
Speaker 3: So in in my opinion, here from what I've seen,
Speaker 3: and you know, I've I've been tracking these Rookie of
Speaker 3: the Year odds for about six years now, right, It
Speaker 3: ultimately the main factor is points, sadly, right, which you know,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the basketball purists get a
Speaker 3: little upset over this.
Speaker 4: You know, there's there's a lot that goes into the game.
Speaker 3: That you know, and points is the sexy stat, right,
Speaker 3: and it's it's points, it's.
Speaker 4: Highlight reel plays.
Speaker 3: You know, how how many times are you gonna see
Speaker 3: Jabbari throwing down on on you know, some.
Speaker 4: Some big forward.
Speaker 3: As well as there they're recently, what I've seen is
Speaker 3: some team success go into it though, you know, and
Speaker 3: I team team success comes in when there isn't a
Speaker 3: clear cut super sexy point scorer, highlight reel most night player,
Speaker 3: then it defers to and and I mean I think
Speaker 3: that's what you saw with Scotti box this this past
Speaker 3: year winning winning Rookie of the Year. Right, you looked
Speaker 3: at the Raptors and said he wasn't really key piece
Speaker 3: in getting them to the playoffs going from you know,
Speaker 3: picking was at four, Uh to up into the playoffs there,
Speaker 3: you know. So, yeah, he played a massive role on
Speaker 3: that team, and all of a sudden, I think for
Speaker 3: the first time in a while, we saw that come
Speaker 3: into play. But for the most part, I think you're
Speaker 3: looking at which which player is going to be on
Speaker 3: the floor and score.
Speaker 4: I'm betting, I'm betting, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm take me through the reason the reasoning for that.
Speaker 2: Jabari obviously on the on the Houston Rocket's going to
Speaker 2: be playing alongside Jalen Green, a noted Chucker. Willing passer,
Speaker 2: but noted chucker can put up you know, ten threes
Speaker 2: a night. Kevin Porter Junior, another noted Chucker on that
Speaker 2: team as well, will shoot from anywhere.
Speaker 1: Not a willing passer.
Speaker 2: So take me through kind of your strategy on how
Speaker 2: you get to Jabbari.
Speaker 3: So right away, look, you know, looking at the favorite
Speaker 3: Paalo there, I don't love him in that offense necessarily,
Speaker 3: and what I mean, I don't love his usage. There's
Speaker 3: a lot that like I think Orlando has this idea
Speaker 3: that they're gonna compete this year a little bit, you know,
Speaker 3: which I see you laugh at and I kind of
Speaker 3: do internally too, because it's the Orlando Magic, and we
Speaker 3: haven't seen them really do that in a long time now.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of players in Orlando that want
Speaker 3: the ball as well, And especially if all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like Markel Foltz has like a summer where all of
Speaker 3: a sudden he finds himself again and now of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you've got just all these guys that want to get
Speaker 3: their own I mean, that's a full that's a loaded
Speaker 3: roster of young, hungry players there, right. So I'm out
Speaker 3: on him and his ods are just a little little
Speaker 3: too short for me with his situation looking around elsewhere, Chat,
Speaker 3: I have fears over him just in the NBA in general.
Speaker 3: You know, his his weight worries me a little bit
Speaker 3: and and just how yeah, how thin he is, how
Speaker 3: lean he is, So I don't know what that's going
Speaker 3: to look like in the NBA, I have.
Speaker 4: I have some doubts there admittedly, So you.
Speaker 3: Know, look looking basically, I look at those top three
Speaker 3: guys because I think they stand above the rest and
Speaker 3: and and you know those those are, yeah, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the kind of top tier guys.
Speaker 4: And I do look to Houston, and that's a situation
Speaker 4: where you have a team there that isn't too far
Speaker 4: removed from being championship contenders year in year out right,
Speaker 4: And I think you have a like that that's that's
Speaker 4: still a proud team that wants to get back to competing.
Speaker 4: And I think they've seen they can't do that playing
Speaker 4: basketball the way they did, the way that you just
Speaker 4: mentioned them doing. And I think there's going to be
Speaker 4: a very concerted effort from the coaching staff to get
Speaker 4: the ball into Jabbari's hands and to be a little
Speaker 4: more efficient offensively. You know, it's very efficient throwing down dunks.
Speaker 4: So I think we're gonna see a lot of Jabbari
Speaker 4: this year. I think we're gonna see the offense run
Speaker 4: through Jabbari a little more than some expect because, like
Speaker 4: I said, I know, I mean Jalen Green shot taker.
Speaker 4: I think Houston's I think Houston's gonna do everything.
Speaker 3: They can to put the ball through Jabari's hands, and
Speaker 3: I think he'll be, you know, a little similar to
Speaker 3: Scotti in Toronto, where he's almost like the focal point
Speaker 3: of the offense. He may not score all the points,
Speaker 3: but I think the ball is gonna run through him
Speaker 3: pretty consistently.
Speaker 2: If if Bradley Beal ends up leaving Washington, is there
Speaker 2: a chance that the line moves on Johnny Davis?
Speaker 1: It's plus two thousand now, so wow, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great value. So would you take a flyer?
Speaker 2: And also, on top of Johnny Davis, are there any
Speaker 2: other So I guess the two part of question, any
Speaker 2: other long shots that you absolutely love and then long
Speaker 2: shots that you would absolutely stay away from outside of
Speaker 2: maybe Mark Williams and Jalen Durn because of the usage rate.
Speaker 3: So Johnny Davis isn't is a very interesting name there, right,
Speaker 3: And I I just have my concerns like is Bradley
Speaker 3: Beal really leaving?
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: At plus two thousand, I absolutely think that's worth a
Speaker 3: little sprinkle. It's not something that I would put a
Speaker 3: ton on there, because I mean, the whole Bradley Beal
Speaker 3: situation is just again it's another one of these like
Speaker 3: NBA draftings, Like I don't think any but he knows
Speaker 3: the real truth here, you know. And and again I
Speaker 3: don't like betting a lot of money on things that
Speaker 3: I have no idea about, right, So when it comes
Speaker 3: to other long shots, and I'm just pulling on the
Speaker 3: board here, there's honestly, there's not a ton of names
Speaker 3: far down the board that grab my attention.
Speaker 1: What about how are you feeling about Shayden Sharp in Portland?
Speaker 3: So, I mean, funny enough, I was just about to
Speaker 3: mention Benedict Mathrin because I wanted him to end up
Speaker 3: in Portland. That that like that that I thought was
Speaker 3: a really ideal fit. And if he ended up there,
Speaker 3: he I think I would have been betting Benedict Mathron,
Speaker 3: Shade and Sharp. I think at twelve to one, same things,
Speaker 3: similar to Johnny Davis, where I think it's worth a
Speaker 3: little sprinkle. I'm not I'm not putting a ton on
Speaker 3: on that, but he's He's probably as far down the
Speaker 3: board as I would look, which isn't very far, I know,
Speaker 3: but I like it. I mean, you know, Dame wants
Speaker 3: to win now, for Portland to win. I do think
Speaker 3: Dame's going to be taking the final shot every game,
Speaker 3: you know, and I think.
Speaker 4: That is the best thing for Portland.
Speaker 3: As you know, I think we probably all agree with
Speaker 3: We've seen over the years what that looks like.
Speaker 4: So I do if you're.
Speaker 3: Looking if you're looking outside the top tier, I think
Speaker 3: Shaden Sharp is the the you know, best candidate there
Speaker 3: for you know, a little bit of a long shot.
Speaker 2: Matt, When are we gonna get Kyrie destination odds? Kadie
Speaker 2: destination odds?
Speaker 1: What's up with that?
Speaker 4: So? You know what?
Speaker 3: Those are always interesting that you know the books. I
Speaker 3: do feel the books kind of trying to slide those
Speaker 3: in there real quick. And you know, don't They don't
Speaker 3: make it super public because.
Speaker 1: They never promote it.
Speaker 3: No, and there's a reason they don't want, you know know,
Speaker 3: first bet in to be you know, one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars on some guy who knows Kevin Durant and you
Speaker 3: know knows where he's going. The books aren't going to
Speaker 3: open anything there until they feel they have enough information, right,
Speaker 3: and again who knows when that is? Yeah, if you
Speaker 3: had to ask me, I honestly, I don't know that
Speaker 3: we even see any Durant odds.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I it wouldn't surprise me if we see
Speaker 4: some Kyrie.
Speaker 3: But I think they'll come late, like there'll there'll there'll
Speaker 3: be an announcement and and and they'll come late.
Speaker 2: So if you have an idea of where you think
Speaker 2: KD Kyrie end up. Would you then just place I
Speaker 2: guess back back in backing into it and just place
Speaker 2: future future bets on you know, futures bets on teams.
Speaker 3: That's what I would recommend because I mean the other
Speaker 3: thing too that you're dealing with there is similar to
Speaker 3: the NBA draft, where I mean, if you want to
Speaker 3: lay a big chunk of money on something like that,
Speaker 3: decent chance they're not taking your bet, right, So I
Speaker 3: wouldn't wait if you have some credible information on where.
Speaker 4: One or both may go. The futures market is a
Speaker 4: little better there.
Speaker 3: And again maybe not even the the championship futures, but
Speaker 3: you know, look into division if win totals come out,
Speaker 3: you know in time for that, you know that that's
Speaker 3: in my opinion, one of I know it's not the
Speaker 3: lottery ticket that a lot of people like, right, but
Speaker 3: that's that's one that that you know a little more
Speaker 3: certainty around that, a little better probability of actually hitting
Speaker 3: that bet.
Speaker 2: Final question, I guess, as you said, if you have
Speaker 2: more definitive information, then you know, maybe you can go
Speaker 2: ahead and place a bet on X, Y or Z
Speaker 2: because you know something that others don't know. How do
Speaker 2: books from your perspective, keep it, keep track on. You
Speaker 2: know who they can limit as a as a better like,
Speaker 2: you know, can woj bet, can Sham's bet?
Speaker 1: Can Jerry West bet? You know what?
Speaker 2: What where are we at in terms of the murkiness
Speaker 2: of I know Calvin Ridley can't bet, he cannot anyone,
Speaker 2: but but like, where's the line here?
Speaker 3: So from from my understanding, the leagues are submitting names
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 4: Now again don't don't quote.
Speaker 1: Me on this, because as you're live on the broadcast.
Speaker 3: If it hasn't happened yet, it's going to start happening there,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be names and and you know, the the
Speaker 3: onus in the past has just always been on like
Speaker 3: the teams, the leagues, right, and the sports books were
Speaker 3: doing a favor, you know that, like the Calvin Ridley thing,
Speaker 3: Like they basically said, hey, like sure, we'll take your bet,
Speaker 3: but like we gotta go notify the NFL of this, right,
Speaker 3: Like all of these leagues are getting money from these
Speaker 3: sports books. They're partnered with the sports books, right, So
Speaker 3: I mean they don't want that, like they these both
Speaker 3: sides want this to be a nice, clean, uh trustworthy,
Speaker 3: credible partnership here, right, They don't want this drama. So
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's growing into a partnership here of hey,
Speaker 3: here's here's you know names, do not take these or
Speaker 3: on the sportsbook side, if somebody slips in, yeah, Jerry
Speaker 3: West slips in and makes a bet, they might call
Speaker 3: the NBA and.
Speaker 4: Say, hey, what's up here, like, you know, should should
Speaker 4: we take this? Should?
Speaker 3: I mean, they can always cancel a bet after it's made, right,
Speaker 3: So it's it is it's getting a point where where
Speaker 3: the two sides are really going to start working together,
Speaker 3: and and they have to because you know, you you
Speaker 3: there's already enough skepticism around you know, sports betting and
Speaker 3: just nervousness around or what is this doing to the
Speaker 3: to the integrity of the game, right, And neither side
Speaker 3: wants that. Neither side wants these questions. So it will
Speaker 3: it's going to continue just growing into this nice shared
Speaker 3: partnership of hey, don't let this person bet?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, awesome stuff, Matt, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining us, sir. We'll have to do it later
Speaker 2: on this season when Kyrie ends up somewhere and Katie
Speaker 2: either ends up somewhere or he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, my pleasure, trist I had one for you.
Speaker 3: I think I saw you liked my Toronto Raptors Christian Coloca.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a great pickup.
Speaker 2: He is right, He's exactly what MASSI wants.
Speaker 1: MASSI likes international players.
Speaker 2: He likes players who are a long and athletic who
Speaker 2: can switch on defense. Christian Coloco I pegged Arizona as
Speaker 2: being one of the surprise teams of this year before
Speaker 2: they even played a regular season game because of what
Speaker 2: you know, you're seeing from the coaching staff coming from
Speaker 2: Gonzaga and some of these other guys. So I watched
Speaker 2: lot of Christian Cloaco and I was impressed by him.
Speaker 2: He's he's an athletic freak. I think that was a
Speaker 2: very underrated such a Toronto pick.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he didn't have to give up OG
Speaker 2: and andob to us in order to get what you wanted.
Speaker 4: I'm really happy we did. I'm really happy. I love OG.
Speaker 3: But I mean that was a big hole on the
Speaker 3: Raptors roster. The we didn't have that big kind of
Speaker 3: banger to play at center. And funny enough, I'm with
Speaker 3: some bachelor party here for the weekend, and a bunch
Speaker 3: of Raptors fan around fans around me.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: There's people here who are more excited about the Ron
Speaker 3: Harper Junior signing.
Speaker 1: That's a big one too.
Speaker 3: So like they're they're they're going wild out there about
Speaker 3: Ron Harper Junior. And I'm in here at saying I
Speaker 3: don't not that I don't like Ron Harper Jr. But
Speaker 3: I'm the one, like I'm the quiet voice here saying, Hey,
Speaker 3: Christian Cloaco, I think is gonna gonna do something.
Speaker 1: Don't sleep, do not sleep. He's gonna he might start
Speaker 1: at five.
Speaker 3: I agree with you as much as I like what
Speaker 3: precious kind of broad he's He's a little undersized, you know.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, at least you have someone who can bang with
Speaker 2: Joel embiid.
Speaker 4: Now that's what they need.
Speaker 2: Precious to two is cute and all against the warriors,
Speaker 2: but sometimes you need that defensive versatility against guys like
Speaker 2: you know, Jojo, against guys like you know the Lopez,
Speaker 2: Any Lopez, and.
Speaker 3: Exactly he's great to throw on Yannis who you know, Sure,
Speaker 3: go ahead, darre him to shoot shoot the three, you know,
Speaker 3: but that length to put on him, Yeah, absolutely, I'm
Speaker 3: with you, Tris.
Speaker 2: Go Raptors, Go Raptors. Have a great one. Enjoy the
Speaker 2: Bachelor party. We will talk to.
Speaker 1: You soon, sir.
Speaker 4: Thanks Chris for talk soon.
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