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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show you asked for because our other

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Speaker 2: show is not long enough. It's unsanctioned Thursday, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by mister Jeff, I, me, Freddy, and our producer

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Speaker 2: Alex the spoiler Cardoza.

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Speaker 1: Oh let's watch him edit that out. Let's start the show.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut up?

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Speaker 1: Out to that hit the fan.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to on sanctioned Thursday's Horestling with Freddy, the first

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Speaker 2: ever Jeff WWE premium live event.

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Speaker 1: Of the ESPN era Wressel producer.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a pain in the ass to order, kind

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Speaker 2: of a pain in the ass to get the account

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Speaker 2: up and going. Guys, didn't make it easy. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Didn't It was much easier to

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Speaker 2: get the aw pay per view, So yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: bitch about that for a second. Make that shit easier.

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Speaker 2: That was super frustrating. I hated it. I almost missed

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Speaker 2: a damn show because of it. I put this one

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Speaker 2: on my on my iPad to start because they started

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Speaker 2: the show Jeff at the same time as the main

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Speaker 2: event on AW and if you tuned in to WWE

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Speaker 2: and tuned out of aw because you didn't have the

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Speaker 2: ability to watch on two screens. Y'all fucked up because

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Speaker 2: you missed the end of a sick match and you

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Speaker 2: had to watch Sena versus Lessner in another squash match

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Speaker 2: like the Saudi Arabia one with eight hundred finishers. That

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Speaker 2: didn't mean anything to anybody. I wasn't a fan of

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Speaker 2: the match. I got it wrong. That's not why I

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Speaker 2: wasn't a fan of the match. I thought they were

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Speaker 2: gonna tell a really cool story of John Cena making this,

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Speaker 2: like getting this beat down, but finding a way to

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Speaker 2: beat Brock Lessner because Brock did him so dirty in

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Speaker 2: the first match. But no, the story was Brock's just

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Speaker 2: a better man and John Cena can't climb that mountain

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Speaker 2: and he can't. He can't make it. But it was

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Speaker 2: interesting to see the ww strategy to try and steal

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Speaker 2: viewers away from AEW. I think there's room for lots

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Speaker 2: of wrestling out there.

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Speaker 1: They do not.

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Speaker 2: They have a corporate mentality, not a not a wrestling

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Speaker 2: mentality anymore. It's very we must take over. It's not

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Speaker 2: it's not let's let's all coexist like the old days

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Speaker 2: of wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. You look like you want to jump in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we're getting a little too

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Speaker 3: lovey dovey in the world of wrestling with I hear

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Speaker 3: Daniel Brian going on these podcasts and say, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just there's more wrestling for everyone, and it's just

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Speaker 3: better for us wrestlers. We can work in so many

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Speaker 3: different places and then we can negotiate our contracts higher

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Speaker 3: money because there's actually a competition and it's like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but this is business.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why they put ads.

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Speaker 3: On a pl that's on ESPN and why it's hard

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Speaker 3: for you to find out how to watch it because

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Speaker 3: sometimes it's on Peacock sometimes. Let's not forget that wrestling

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Speaker 3: is a giant corporation. They're always gonna be against each other.

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Speaker 3: The reason Monday Night Wars was so good is because

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Speaker 3: they were warring. There's there's no you know, there's no

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Speaker 3: love loss in war like like like the Monday Night

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Speaker 3: Wars that was Monday Night Raw going against w CW.

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Speaker 3: What was the Monday what do they call their money

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Speaker 3: rue Monday Night tro at the same time, and that

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Speaker 3: competition is what we what made wrestling better. So you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like they're never that's just kind of how it works.

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Speaker 3: It's good for us, but they are like I imagine

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Speaker 3: Triple H and Tony Kahan and Nick kN they see

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Speaker 3: this as like we're gonna slit the other company's throats

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Speaker 3: and so then whoever is losing, everybody feels bad for

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Speaker 3: But like nobody felt bad for WBE when AEW was

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Speaker 3: all the rage, Like when everyone was going, AAW so good.

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Speaker 3: It's so much better than SmackDown, It's so much better

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Speaker 3: feel bad for AW. I say, stepping up, baby, give

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Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, and I think you're definitely

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Speaker 2: right on the WWE philosophy and how they're approaching this.

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Speaker 2: But I also see where Daniel's coming from, because he's

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Speaker 2: looking at it more from the old school territory mentality

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Speaker 2: before Vince McMahon tried to take over everything and run it,

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Speaker 2: and there was room for everyone, and you could go

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Speaker 2: game that he longs for that. He yearns for that,

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Speaker 2: and those days are are dead and gone. So it's him,

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Speaker 2: you know, expressing that. But I agree with him. I

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Speaker 2: would prefer to see that model as well, the old

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Speaker 2: not try to kill each other. I think there's room

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Speaker 2: out there for both to improve without someone having to lose,

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Speaker 2: because that means there's less wrestling, right, So I see

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, but I kind of got to go

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Speaker 2: with with mister the American Dragon on this one, mister dogone.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I hear you. I hear you, and you're

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Speaker 2: dead on with how WWE feels about aw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Coca Cola is not going. Hey, it's more soda

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Speaker 3: pop for everyone. If Pepsi exists, it's like, no Coke's going.

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Speaker 3: We'll take all those flavors and make our own version.

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Speaker 3: And that's what w to B wants is seven nights

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Speaker 3: a week of wrestling where they have the whole aw roster.

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Speaker 1: They want it.

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Speaker 2: All that and that sucks, man, because it's like it's

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Speaker 2: it's an apples to oranges comparison, but the oranges are

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Speaker 2: becoming apples, right because one is art and one is

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Speaker 2: is is you.

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Speaker 1: Know a soda? Did did people drink?

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Speaker 2: It's something that you buy and purchase, and so when

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Speaker 2: you when you monetize art and you take all the

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Speaker 2: art out of it, and it's nothing more than a soda,

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Speaker 2: that fucking sucks for everybody, and that dilutes the market

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Speaker 2: and weakens the product because then there's only one and

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Speaker 2: they don't have any competition to inspire them to get

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Speaker 2: better because they're the only show in town, which is

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Speaker 2: a fucking monopoly, and monopoly suck. So yeah, So that's

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Speaker 2: I'm on a soapbox right now, and I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about the main card. So here we go. We talked

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Speaker 2: about John Cena Brocklesner. I wasn't a fan of this match.

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Speaker 1: I liked it. Did you like it? You liked to

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Speaker 3: I think the Brocklesterner looks stronger than he's ever looked.

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Speaker 1: Dude, he was jacked. I've met.

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Speaker 3: I was actually impressed, and I didn't think I could

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Speaker 1: And I think you you might.

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Speaker 3: Have misspoke a little earlier when you said that brock

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Speaker 3: the more Yeah, like I think, uh, you know, John

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Speaker 3: Cena's heart and soul isn't enough for the pure beast

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Speaker 3: now kind of a new guy again or a good

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Speaker 1: I think this makes it more of a face.

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Speaker 3: And also the fact that Paul Hayman returned to introduce Lessener,

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Speaker 3: is this going to, like what's going on here? Is

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Speaker 3: Paul Hayman now going to is he still with the

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Speaker 3: vision or like, like I don't. I'm very excited to

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Speaker 3: see how that happens. And so that made me also

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Speaker 1: Totally agree, Totally agree, sir.

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Speaker 2: Next up the USOS versus Bronson Reid and bron Breaker.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go on a little run here where we

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Speaker 2: make you guys a lot of money. I'm just putting

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Speaker 2: that out there right now. And it started right here

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Speaker 2: because how could you not pick the bron Bros over

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Speaker 2: the USSOS. When when Bronson, Reid and bron Breaker are

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Speaker 2: both kind of needing wins and needing momentum in order

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Speaker 2: to keep up with Seth Rollins, who's got the world championship,

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Speaker 2: the World Heavyweight Championship, So we picked them to win.

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Speaker 2: Of course they were gonna win. USO's are awesome, they're

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Speaker 2: top tag team of all time. But this was the

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Speaker 2: right move and it really makes the big guys look strong.

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Speaker 2: Two big guys that could hold major spot in the

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Speaker 2: gonna get Bronson versus bron Breaker for a title that

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Speaker 2: so we get to look forward to that too. So

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Speaker 2: it's good to build them up and make them look

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Speaker 2: super strong.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, what about you?

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Speaker 3: Loved this match? I love watching the usso's back together.

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Speaker 3: They have so many moves that they do as a team,

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Speaker 3: which was really awesome. I love that I watched two

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Speaker 1: I laughed so hard.

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Speaker 3: It's very hard to like make me pop or laugh

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Speaker 3: out loud in wrestling. I love wrestling, but I very

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Speaker 3: rarely laugh out loud when La Knight as referee didn't

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Speaker 3: let him use the chair, but then when Jimmy had

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Speaker 3: turned around he goes, oh, yeah, you can hit him

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Speaker 3: with the chair. I laughed so hard about that. And

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Speaker 3: then the other thing that I watched maybe over one

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Speaker 3: Jay Usso broke himself open with the chair. He hit

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Speaker 3: And now he's on concussion protocol. But I couldn't see it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see the chair bounce back. I watched it

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Speaker 3: a billion times. I'm like, where did it hit him

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Speaker 3: in the head? Like, I just couldn't figure it out.

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Speaker 3: But this match was awesome and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: The mixed tag match old school nineteen eighties wrestling, CM

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Speaker 2: Punk and aj Lee versus seth Rawlins and Becky Lynch

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. It was a lot of fun waiting

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Speaker 2: for AJ to get into the ring, the constant selling

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Speaker 2: and CM Punk getting beat down and then she finally

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Speaker 2: gets in there, so the crowdles hype for that couple

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Speaker 2: really cool spots. People got getting fed up on the outside.

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Speaker 2: That's Thursday, I can say, fucked up people getting We'll

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Speaker 2: compromise people getting screwed up and getting beat down outside.

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Speaker 2: And then we got a double submission in the ring

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Speaker 2: and aj Lee gets Becky to tap, which can then

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Speaker 2: lead to a singles fight where it's like, Hey, I

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Speaker 2: made you tap, girl, and now I'm gonna make you

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Speaker 2: tap and get that belt off your waist and my

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Speaker 2: man's gonna take the belt off your man's waist, and

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Speaker 2: the vision ain't gonna be shit.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be the wishing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So this was the match the right guys won.

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Speaker 2: We picked it right. We made you more money, and

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Speaker 2: we made you more money with the rest of the

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Speaker 2: matches too, but we'll get into those in a second. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: this was a different kind of match. So I'm more

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Speaker 2: curious about your opinion on this match than any of

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Speaker 2: the others, because I think it was so old school.

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Speaker 2: You could like it or you could really hate it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel like you're in the middle about it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not in the middle about it, and as

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Speaker 3: Because you're like, these women are just like the boys,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of impressive women, the pick of the week, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: paid out. That's why they are buying all these luchadors

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Speaker 2: That said, Stephanieva cares awesome, Like she's awesome. Her wrestling's awesome,

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Speaker 2: her look is awesome. That finish was sicker than EO

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Speaker 2: Sky's finish, Like that's what's crazy. Like EO Sky does

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Speaker 2: four point fifty twisting reverse fucking gymnastic move and I'm

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Speaker 2: sitting there like, yo, whoa what, Oh she's gonna hurt her. Nope,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's a champion.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome, dude. I loved every second of this match.

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Speaker 2: To me, it saved the pay per view on what

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Speaker 2: the match. I thought it was awesome. Eel Skuy's a

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Vicaire do her thing like that, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Stephanie Viquier's move where she puts the

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Speaker 1: Her forearms and a slams.

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Speaker 2: It's Booker T's favorite wrestling move ever, is what it's

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Speaker 3: The move where she puts her head in between her

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Speaker 1: We should not.

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Speaker 3: It's too inappropriate as far as like, I feel like

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Speaker 3: and we went through the nineties together, we went through

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Speaker 3: the two thousands together with the puppies and the sables

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Speaker 3: Devil's Kiss is the hottest, most arguably inappropriate thing I've

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Speaker 2: No one is responsible for the thoughts that pop in

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Speaker 2: it's how we deal with those thoughts that that's when

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Speaker 2: we become responsible. But I feel you're allowed to have

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Speaker 2: juging looking forward to her championship run. But it will

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Speaker 2: be a disputed They better remember this and not f

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Speaker 2: this up. It can't be the undisputed Women's Championship because

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Speaker 2: the champ was not beaten. She laid the belt down

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Speaker 2: because she got pregnance having a baby. So it will

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Speaker 2: then they got a fight to make it undisputed, which

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Speaker 2: can be fun and cool too, but that should be

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Speaker 2: and that should be Naomi story when she comes back. No,

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Speaker 2: you're you're the disputed champ. I'm the real champ. I

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Speaker 2: was never That should be. That should be her point.

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Speaker 1: I hope they do something like that because that's really smart.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks, bro, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: People throw that word around.

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Speaker 3: They go undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undispeted like it's pretty disposed.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be disputed. They're wrong. They'll say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: under it was disputed.

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Speaker 2: Finally, the undisputed WWE Championship Cody Rhoades versus everyone's favorite

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Speaker 2: cry baby, Drew McIntyre. Drew McIntyre, Drew always gets fucked.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Drew's side with this. He gets screwed over

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Speaker 2: by COVID, he gets screwed over by Seampunk, he gets

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Speaker 2: by inept referees, and this was no different. He got

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Speaker 2: And he got out of the way from some impact

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Speaker 2: that shit like a man on the chin. And instead

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Speaker 2: of that, he backs out of the ring. Drew McIntyre

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Speaker 2: He waits like seven eight seconds. Cody was a beaten man,

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Speaker 2: the match was over, and then he comes in and

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Speaker 2: yeah he could kick out at account of thirteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Mike Tyson could have stood up on a count of

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Speaker 2: twenty six when he fought Buster Douglas. It just didn't

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Speaker 2: work that way. You only get ten seconds, man, so

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Speaker 2: the ref blew it again. Cody Rose who was hurt injured.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a knee or concussion from

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Speaker 2: the Claymore kick. He had some problems executing some moves

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Speaker 2: story wise, not in real life, guys. He gets the win,

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Speaker 2: a clean win, and then Goonther appears on the ramp.

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Speaker 2: Who that kind of teases who the next challenger is.

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Speaker 2: But once again, Drew's got a Legit beef and when

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Speaker 2: he goes out and cuts his promo and you guys, boo,

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Speaker 2: just remember Legit Beef ref Watch twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 2: they're already fucking up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think they need to be smarter about the writing.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't know which announcers was saying it

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Speaker 3: over and over, like why did the ref stop that?

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Speaker 1: Like that's a legal move? Why why would wait?

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Speaker 3: That was Wade Barrett, yeah, yeah, and he was spot

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Speaker 3: on like that's just bad writing or bad choreographing in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, Like why is the ref telling him to

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Speaker 3: not go do that? Which causes enough time for him

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Speaker 3: to kick through the table and hurt his leg, like

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Speaker 3: I find a different reason than ether than having the

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Speaker 3: to be a little bit better about that type of choreography,

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Speaker 3: like even like making the ref distracted, which is like

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Speaker 3: manager or their tag partners out there like distracting the ref,

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Speaker 3: Like they need to evolve that the ref should be

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Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna fall for this, Like they make

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Speaker 3: the refs look like these buffoons that have no power,

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Speaker 3: and like they just let a guy use a chair

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Speaker 3: and then yell at up, Like they need to update

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Speaker 3: their their refs as far as the writing goes, in.

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Speaker 1: My opinion, I feel you on that, dude.

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Speaker 2: I like that you guys, that's our wrestle Poalooza predictions.

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Speaker 2: Palooza is not my favorite word, Jeff, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's it. Cools, you'd like it. I think it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Losa Palooza is in your like like Lallapalooza not.

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Speaker 1: For anybody who's too young.

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Speaker 3: Maybe see them punk is evident too young to understand

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Speaker 3: that Lallapalooza was a very famous concert. They're just playing

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Speaker 3: on that word Lallapalooza. It's now wrestle palooza. It's it's

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, but it's I agree with you that

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Speaker 3: it sounds dumb, but I disagree with anyone who doesn't

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, what about WrestleMania.

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Speaker 1: You like WrestleMania because.

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Speaker 3: I I was talking about my friend with my friends

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Speaker 3: like that recently.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what what are good band names? You know?

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Speaker 3: Like Beatles, Like we love the Beatles, great bands, but

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Speaker 3: that's not a great name. They're not even talking about

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Speaker 3: the bug it's beat like a beat, like rhythm beat oles.

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Speaker 1: That's stupid.

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Speaker 3: Food Fighters, Oh, I mean, I mean UFO from the fifties.

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Speaker 3: Like that's a dumb name, but we love the Foo Fighters.

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Speaker 3: All names are dumb.

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Speaker 1: Well, roy what about Royal Rumble? Freddie?

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Speaker 3: I like Royal Rumble, but I think that I maybe

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Speaker 3: just like it because I've known it my whole life.

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Speaker 1: I think Royal Rumble sounds pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Well so royal about it? It's not very you know,

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Speaker 3: do they get a they don't get a crown.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. Yeah, never mind, I take it back,

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Speaker 2: all right. So our names suck, and so does every

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Speaker 2: pay per views name. Thanks for listening. Stay in touch

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Speaker 2: by following our official show account on Instagram. It's called

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Speaker 2: Wrestling with Freddie. We're going to have ask Us Anything

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Speaker 2: episode near the end of the season this year, so

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Speaker 2: you can fill in your questions for that, or you

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Speaker 2: can just shout us out.

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Speaker 1: And say what's up on behalf of Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I'm Freddy and we appreciate you guys listening every single week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,