WEBVTT - #828 Packers Unscripted: Coordinator chats 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.600 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.079 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.400 by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkoitz. We're coming to 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.919 you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.599 I know the big news this week in the NFL 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.960 will be the schedule release on Wednesday, so our second 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.920 show of this week will focus on that. But for 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:38.239 this show on Monday, here at Packers headquarters, we in 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.720 the media got to hear from the Packers three coordinators, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.760 Rich Pasacia, Jeff Hafley Adam Stenovich, the only time that 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.480 those coordinators will meet with the media until training camp 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.639 rolls around. So I'm just gonna throw out an open 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.240 ended question. We will discuss all three in some way, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.640 shape or form and what we heard, but what was 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.840 your most interesting takeaway from hearing from the coordinators. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.960 I think it's going to be your most interesting takeaway 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.920 as well, Mike, and that is the fact that Edrin 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.600 Cooper is turning eyes around the Lambeufield facility. We have 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.680 not seen him yet. You and I as the writers, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.520 we are not down in the football area. But Jeff Affley, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.600 the first thing he asked the reporters is have you 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.319 seen him yet? And he said he's bigger, And it 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.720 was in his estimation that Cooper is probably hovering closer 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.320 to twoint forty now after being listed last year at 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.360 two twenty nine, which is the natural progression. I think 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.280 it's where everyone saw this young man going in year two. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.560 Not only does that help in terms of the game 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.440 of football itself, but also his durability, which was something 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.800 the Packers were looking for after he battled a couple 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.319 of little nagging injuries here and there during his rookie season. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.040 But Michael, that was really the only blemish on this thing. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.040 This dude, you know, getting some vote votes for Defensive 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.600 Rookie of the Year obviously an All PFWA rookie member. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.360 This is a very very talented young man. And where 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.240 last year it was a real big question, Okay, where 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:58.880 do the Packers fit him in? How do you get 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.440 him on the field, I think that side of it 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.600 has gone now. The question is where is he going 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.800 to play, how often is he going to play there? 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.000 And how can he affect the overall defense? 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.280 And I think hearing from Halfley, how he seems to 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.240 have remade, reshaped his body a little bit, and taken 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.960 the off season strength and conditioning. That seriously just speaks 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:26.120 to how dedicated he is to being available for this 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.360 team on a weekly basis and how disappointed he was 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.160 as a rookie that he had to deal with those injuries. Now, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.080 there are no guarantees. I mean, anything can happen at 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.680 any point in a given football game. It's a collision sport, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.720 and bad things happen all the time. So this doesn't 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.200 guarantee that Edrin Cooper is going to play every single 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.040 game for the Packers in twenty twenty five, but he 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.280 is working to put himself in the best possible shape, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.959 in the best possible condition to not have to replay 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.919 his rookie season where he was in and out of 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.079 the lineup and also in and out of practice and 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.960 training camp for that matter. I mean, he wants to 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.720 be available and ready to go start to finish, and 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.400 and when you think about that with the possibilities with 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.639 this defense, you know, it starts to open your eyes 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.760 a little bit. Sticking on the topic of Jeff Hafley, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.480 the thing that really stood out to me a line 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.920 of his that that really spoke to me and just 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.679 all these years that I've been doing this, and and 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.280 you know, we try to communicate with fans and and 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.280 everything else to hear to hear, to hear Jeff Halfley 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.720 say that he was very proud of the defense and 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.760 how hard they were playing and how well the unit 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.640 was playing at the end of the year. Obviously it 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.760 was a solid performance against Philadelphia in the wild card game. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.200 But then he said the biggest question for him in 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.760 year two is how fast can the Packers get back 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.840 to that level? And I thought the way he phrased 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.800 that was very, very crucial because first he says how 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.320 fast can the pack get back to that which is 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.800 an acknowledgment that in this league you can't just pick 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.320 up where you left off. It doesn't work that way. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.720 As much as the fans would like to say, well, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.760 the Packers are playing great defense at the end of 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.960 twenty twenty four, they ought to be able to start 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.159 twenty twenty five play in just like that, No, it doesn't. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.599 It doesn't work that way. So the mindset of the 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.800 defensive coordinator is just this, this is the reality. He's 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.200 happy with how they finished the season, but now the 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.960 goal is to get back to that as quickly as possible, 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.760 and then also along those lines, knowing as the leader 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.080 of the defense and as the coordinator, the faster he 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.279 can get that unit back to that level, then the 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.359 greater opportunity there is for growth and progress to get 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.520 hopefully to another level for another stretch run for the Packers. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:48.760 In twenty twenty five. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.760 I was playing a game with my son on Sunday. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.960 It's like Minions, something from Despicable Mean. Okay, so the 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.440 little minions run around and you got to like jump 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.159 over fire hydrants and get on and get on rocket 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.000 ships and all that Killian's much better at the game 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:04.480 than I am. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.120 Okay, So I imagine that I go figure. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.080 I play it the first time around and I end 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.680 up bumping into something electrical cord or something, So then 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.920 I restart. So the second time around, I'm like, I'm ready, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.360 now I'm set, And you know what happens. The whole 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.640 course changed. It's not the same thing over over again. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.919 When I was a kid, Mario didn't change. It was 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.120 the same thing, the same level. You just mastered it 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.240 and you moved on. No that these kids are doing 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.400 it differently these days. Defensively That's what it's like in 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.000 the National Football League offensively too. Just because the Packers 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.320 had success with some of the exotic looks they had 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.800 in twenty twenty four, just because in some ways they 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.640 didn't have the success they won it with the four 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.279 man rush last season, it isn't a precursor for what's 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.479 going to happen in twenty twenty five. Jeff Halfley recognizes that. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.679 So when he was asked the question by match Nightman, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.479 which was a great question about basically what kind of 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.640 defense do you want to be? The question is, yeah, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.359 you have a you have a construct a concept of 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.760 a plan that you're going to go into the season with, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.279 but can you actually facilitate it the way you think? 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.159 And if not, is evolution involved in regardless, there is 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.400 adaptation that is going to be required throughout the course 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.760 of the season. Look at the twenty fourteen Packers when 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.120 Clay Matthews moved inside linebacker. But all that being said, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.480 what excites me about this, Mike is last season Halfley 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.320 was in his first year with this defense. He's trying 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.039 to figure out which pieces he's going to plug in, 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.360 which pieces are going to take out of it, and 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.800 by the end of the year, it was a top 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.240 five unit because of how they constantly adapted to what 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.280 their situation was. I think that's what gives me the 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:42.040 most really excitement about this scheme. Halfley's a sharp dude 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.560 with a good scheme, and he proved that whether it's 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.559 in the middle of a game or week by week, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.200 he can make those adjustments. And you have guys like Cooper. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.520 Now that Mike, let's be honest, man, you've been around 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.040 here a long time. I'd put Cooper at least in 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.279 my fourteen years covering this team right in the top 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.440 five for the most impressive rookies that we've seen. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:06.159 I would yeah, I would agree. And that's the thing 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.239 that really intrigues me about Jeff Halfley with this defense 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.160 in year two, as you said, he acknowledged at the podium. Okay, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.640 so the Packers went from trying to get a lot 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.200 done with a standard fore man rush. You want to 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.560 rush for and cover seven, that's what's going to give 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.080 you the best opportunity for turnovers in the back end. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.800 It didn't really work out that way. He had to 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.640 get a little bit more exotic about how exactly he 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.960 was going to rush for and cover seven, but that's 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.800 what he wanted to stay in most of the time. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.440 So you try these different fire zone looks and all this, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.040 and guys coming from different angles and other guys dropping 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.880 off the defensive line. Okay, Now, every single opponent on 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.720 the Packers' schedule for twenty twenty five has all of 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.480 that game film to digest of. Okay, this is how 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.920 This is what Jeff Haffley likes to do in Green Bay, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.760 and Halfley knows that, Halflely knows that all the opponents 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.800 have been studying that. So the really intriguing question, which 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.360 of course is the one he's not going to answer 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.040 at the podium, is hey, man, what else you got 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:03.760 up your sleeve? 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:04.040 You know? 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.360 You know what I mean. It's like it's because, hey, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.960 there are a gazillion different ways to play defense in 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.520 this game, and there are all kinds of different things 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.400 you can try, and if you feel like you have 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.160 the personnel to try some different things, see if you 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:23.360 can get them to master certain concepts. You know, who 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.360 knows where this Packers defense is going to be at 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.160 the end of twenty twenty five compared to the end 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.000 of twenty four or the beginning of twenty five. It's 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.880 the biggest point from Halfley is that it is a 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.600 constant evolution in this game, and if you are not 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.280 evolving on either side of the ball, you are falling 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:46.599 behind because the league is just too competitive and everybody 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.679 has every square inch of film to watch on you 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.040 of everything that you've ever done. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.120 It's the old Billy Bean adage man adapt or die, Yeah, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.360 and that's what you have to do in this position 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.439 and this job. I feel like he's been really good 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.280 at it. Michael, You and I said it so often 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.280 last year, but my goodness, I just want to give 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.120 a quick shout out to this guy because, in addition 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.599 to how thorough and in depth and conversational Halfway is 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.360 at the podium, you know, there was a you know, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:12.920 this is the only time, as you said, we're getting 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.800 these guys during the off season program. He has like 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.520 a fifteen minute window to do interviews and time was up, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.840 but yet he still was asking if there's anybody else 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.720 that needs questions asked, and they weren't all just you know, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.959 softball is either there's some tough stuff that he's being 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.160 asked right now about the construct of this football team. 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.760 Halfley took the time he did that, and again, this 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.240 is this is the type of dude I want to 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.240 play for. You're talking about head coaches and press conferences 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.719 and all that. I've said it time and time again. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.520 It's like listening to a college an engaging college professor. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.400 When he's up there explaining this thing, you can feel 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.080 his passionate for it. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.400 Yeah, I would agree. We'll get to the other coordinators 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.040 we heard from in just a minute, but I will 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.560 take care of our sponsor business. 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I 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.600 think the biggest aspect of it is the current situation 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.239 that Green Bay faces with these receivers and the multitude 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.600 that they have available to them despite Christian Watson's injury 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.000 right now, and Jason Willie had asked the question, which 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.920 I thought was a great question about, Hey, you look 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.319 at what happened with Jaden Reid at the end of 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.480 last season. He got kind of banged up, obviously a 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.840 pretty significant shoulder injury that they're expecting him to be 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.440 healed from going into the season. But that happened in Philly. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.240 He was with the slang when we're in the locker room. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.400 Jayden Reid went through a lot last year, been the 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.680 most productive receiver Green Bays had in terms of just 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.400 his pure statistics the past two seasons. Is there things 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.200 green Bay can do to take the load off of them? 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.520 Can savey On Williams help in that capacity, And as 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.520 Stenovich said, he thinks Williams and Matthew Golden, the first 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.080 round pick, both can do things that help him out. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.520 From Golden's perspective, this is a guy that runs a 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.199 four to two nine. You can place him anywhere, and 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.880 they've he's already, even though they are not catching passes 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.680 and doing routes and all that type of stuff. In 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.040 terms of the in game eleven and eleven seven on 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.160 seven stuff, he's shown a lot, whether it was the 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.040 rookie minichamp or just some of the things that they're 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.760 seeing behind the scenes right now with him a very 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.400 exciting young player that definitely is mature beyond his years. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.040 Saveon Williams, man, I'll tell you what somebody had asked 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.560 this question an insider inbox that I'm answering for what 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.800 will be Tuesday's column. You know, do you think the 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.679 Packers and Brian Goodkins they were excited they thought they 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.960 see a you know, a Taysom Hill type player in Williams. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.760 While I don't think that's the natural comparable. I think 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.520 it is really exciting when you see a guy with 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.840 all this college film and now you get to pick 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.480 what you want to use him, how you want to 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.640 use it. What tools does he present that you think 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.040 can benefit your offense right off the bat. In that way, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.040 I think this is one of the more exciting offenses 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.439 I think I'm going to cover with the Green Bay 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.840 Packers because again, as much as you and I talked 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.280 last year about all these receivers that can do different things. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.280 Now you have a guy like Williams that has that 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.040 many carries under his belt, has thrown a pass at 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.800 the college level and seems to have a pretty good 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.920 arm too. That was interesting and you can just kind 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.600 of see the enthusiasm, the excitement with Stenovich too, kind 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.520 of talking about what the potential build of this offense 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.000 can be with these two rookies coming in. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.920 Yeah, and I think to connect it even a little 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.240 bit to last year on the defensive side, whether you're 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.720 talking about Edgrian Cooper or Evan Williams playing in the 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.000 back end as a rookie with Xavier McKinney. The progress 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.240 that these rookies hopefully are going to show throughout the 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.240 course of their first seasons in the NFL. Where the 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.280 Packers offense is down the stretch in twenty twenty five 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.840 could be very different, very different where it is at 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.800 the beginning. If these young guys are going to be 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.080 up to contributing and answering the call and and the 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.240 coaches are going to push them, They're going to test them. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.319 How much can they handle schematically? You know, how much 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.720 can you feed them that they will understand the responsibilities 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.280 the different roles, and then getting getting those worked into 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.040 worked into game plans. The other thing that I kind 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.000 of got a kick out of listening to Steno at 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.640 the podium is the the old offensive lineman was showing 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.640 through there a bit, because, for those who don't know, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.959 Adam Stenovich, Wisconsin native Marshfield, Wisconsin in the center of State, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.360 went and played left tackle at the University of Michigan 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.440 in ann Arbor, spent some time during his pro career 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.480 in Green Bay, but when he got to the NFL, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.120 he was one of those left tackles who has moved 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.559 inside to guard and then sort of had to become 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.560 the jack of all trades backup. He had to be 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.600 ready to ready to step in as a reserve offensive 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.720 alignment at any position where he might be needed. He 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.720 really really likes this group that the Packers have continued 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.960 to put together on the offensive line in terms of 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.640 versatile players, guys that are that are challenged and expected 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.559 to learn and understand multiple positions. And he's really fired 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.520 up about the competitions that are going to be developing here, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.520 whether you're talking about Jordan Morgan and Rashid Walker at 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:29.320 left tackle, and if Anthony Belton, the second round draft pick, 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.000 gets into that mix, or if it's Morgan and Sean 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:37.120 Ryan at at right guard. He's he's really really excited 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.120 to see just where these different versatile pieces, how they 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.240 compete for certain spots, and and then how it all 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.160 comes together, not just the starting five, but then okay, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.960 who's number six, seven, and eight, and how many different 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.160 spots can they rely on six, seven and eight to 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:54.640 fill in for when they need them. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.560 People always, and I'm not criticizing one for this, but 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.960 fans always, you know, really perseverate on what the start 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.920 five is and what is the secondary going to look 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.880 like in all this and so often what we envision 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.280 even during training camp, even the end of training camp, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.280 differs greatly from what we see at the end of 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.560 the season. Seventy five percent of the time it's due 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.800 to injuries. I mean, how many people last year Mike 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.960 had Keishawn Nixon earmarked for a perimeter cornerback for most 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.240 of the season, right, But that's the way the cookie 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.720 crumbled when you when you look at the offensive line. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.760 The Packers were remarkably healthy throughout the course of the season, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.920 but then Elton Jenkins insers his shoulder in Philadelphia, and 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.960 now they're playing multiple guys in those spots. How you 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.880 build out the line for six, seven, eight is almost 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.200 as important as building the starting five itself. And what 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.120 intrigues me and I talked about this on our show 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.440 last week, is there are so many different variations and 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.600 variables in manifest you know, manifest you know, how would 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:50.880 I say it? 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.120 Manifestation and atestations? 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.120 Thank you? I ran. I was doing so well and 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.160 then I ran into a roadblock. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.000 That's okay, process, it happens, but the show truly is unscrewed. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.760 I should have only gone with two things. I try 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.240 to turn it into the trilogy of their network. My 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.640 point being is that if you have a Jordan Morgan 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.560 who can play multiple positions, if you have an Anthony 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.720 Belton who could potentially contribute at multiple spots, that makes 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.920 your offensive line stronger down the run. Not only does 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.640 it push a Rasheet Walker for the left tackle job, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.480 but it gives you an option there depending on if 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.720 Walker wins that and still has an injury or something 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.600 like that. You have to be able to go there. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.480 And when you look at the Packers offensive lines over 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.000 the last fifteen years. That's where they've been really strong. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.720 Everybody was looking at Jordan Morgan a year ago at 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.880 this time, not a lot of people were talking about 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.920 Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan ends up starting seventeen games right 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.120 guard last season. Yep, you have to be able to 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.520 have plan B, C, D and so on and so forth. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.640 Yeah. Rich Basacia an assistant head coach, special teams coordinator. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.800 He's actually the first one we heard from at the podium. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.240 We'll talk about him as our third one here. If 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.240 there's one thing I took away from that more than 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:59.840 anything else, it's the reminder, the reminder of how coaches 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:06.880 in this league absolutely perseverate on failures, on things that 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.520 go wrong. Rich Bisacci was talking about basically was pointing 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.840 out the biggest moments over his three years with Matt 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:19.040 Lafleur where he feels the Packers' special teams have let 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.479 down the squad in terms of their performance. And you know, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.119 he articulated the different moments, and everybody knows the major 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.960 ones and what they are. I felt like after hearing 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.920 coach Bisaccia talk like that that I could look at 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:38.280 his you know, his coaching resume and go, Okay, he 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.199 was he was coaching special teams with the Cowboys in 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.000 twenty fourteen. Okay, Rich, name me a play in twenty fourteen. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.040 Where your special teams? 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:46.320 I mean? 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.840 And he would know, like he would know, because that's 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.800 that's how these coaches are. They are they are always 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.840 focused on trying to fix what goes wrong. And it 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.080 was also interesting to hear just in the way that 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.000 he talks about things, you know, whether whether he's talking 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.439 about Andres Carlson missing a field goal in the playoff 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.200 game in San Francisco two years ago or Keishawn Nixon 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.639 fumbling the opening kickoff in the playoff game. Rich Pasaccia 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.720 talks about that and he calls it we fence for 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.040 a reason. He talks about we let the team down. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.520 He doesn't put it just on the players that there 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.520 was a failure and that there was a mistake. He 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.879 feels it. He takes the responsibility for it as the 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.119 coach that his unit needs to perform better, and that's 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.080 on him. And I think it's just it speaks to 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.800 the culture of accountability that we've seen across the board 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.520 with this team. And it's why even though you know, yes, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.480 twenty twenty four didn't finish the way the packers wanted 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.160 it to. They didn't get as far as they did 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.359 in twenty twenty three and all that kind of stuff. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.359 But man, there is a culture of accountability around here 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.520 that they know what went wrong, they know why it 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.960 went wrong, and they're going to try their darnness to 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:01.520 learn from and move forward from it. And that's what 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.200 has you excited about twenty twenty five. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.440 It's an excellent point. And to me, I was sitting 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.400 there thinking about this, it almost reminds you the old 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.639 poker player adage, you know, where it's like you always 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.320 remember your your bad beats and right you do the 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.960 pots that you've won, and that that's kind of what 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.600 it's been for Bisaci because there's been a lot of 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.040 positives mixed in there too, but certainly it's the moments 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:24.200 where you feel like your team adversely affected the whole squad. Yeah, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:25.639 and that was one thing that he was sort of 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.200 talking about. The other thing too, I thought was very 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.480 important that he mentioned was the topic of Kishawn Nixon 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.480 came up again, and we don't know what's going to 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.080 happen as far as this return situation. The Packers drafted 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.960 a couple guys that have return experience, including Golden. They 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.000 signed Mkole Hardman. He's involved in this thing now. But 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.439