Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always
Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkoitz. We're coming to
Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes.
Speaker 1: I know the big news this week in the NFL
Speaker 1: will be the schedule release on Wednesday, so our second
Speaker 1: show of this week will focus on that. But for
Speaker 1: this show on Monday, here at Packers headquarters, we in
Speaker 1: the media got to hear from the Packers three coordinators,
Speaker 1: Rich Pasacia, Jeff Hafley Adam Stenovich, the only time that
Speaker 1: those coordinators will meet with the media until training camp
Speaker 1: rolls around. So I'm just gonna throw out an open
Speaker 1: ended question. We will discuss all three in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form and what we heard, but what was
Speaker 1: your most interesting takeaway from hearing from the coordinators.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be your most interesting takeaway
Speaker 2: as well, Mike, and that is the fact that Edrin
Speaker 2: Cooper is turning eyes around the Lambeufield facility. We have
Speaker 2: not seen him yet. You and I as the writers,
Speaker 2: we are not down in the football area. But Jeff Affley,
Speaker 2: the first thing he asked the reporters is have you
Speaker 2: seen him yet? And he said he's bigger, And it
Speaker 2: was in his estimation that Cooper is probably hovering closer
Speaker 2: to twoint forty now after being listed last year at
Speaker 2: two twenty nine, which is the natural progression. I think
Speaker 2: it's where everyone saw this young man going in year two.
Speaker 2: Not only does that help in terms of the game
Speaker 2: of football itself, but also his durability, which was something
Speaker 2: the Packers were looking for after he battled a couple
Speaker 2: of little nagging injuries here and there during his rookie season.
Speaker 2: But Michael, that was really the only blemish on this thing.
Speaker 2: This dude, you know, getting some vote votes for Defensive
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year obviously an All PFWA rookie member.
Speaker 2: This is a very very talented young man. And where
Speaker 2: last year it was a real big question, Okay, where
Speaker 2: do the Packers fit him in? How do you get
Speaker 2: him on the field, I think that side of it
Speaker 2: has gone now. The question is where is he going
Speaker 2: to play, how often is he going to play there?
Speaker 2: And how can he affect the overall defense?
Speaker 1: And I think hearing from Halfley, how he seems to
Speaker 1: have remade, reshaped his body a little bit, and taken
Speaker 1: the off season strength and conditioning. That seriously just speaks
Speaker 1: to how dedicated he is to being available for this
Speaker 1: team on a weekly basis and how disappointed he was
Speaker 1: as a rookie that he had to deal with those injuries. Now,
Speaker 1: there are no guarantees. I mean, anything can happen at
Speaker 1: any point in a given football game. It's a collision sport,
Speaker 1: and bad things happen all the time. So this doesn't
Speaker 1: guarantee that Edrin Cooper is going to play every single
Speaker 1: game for the Packers in twenty twenty five, but he
Speaker 1: is working to put himself in the best possible shape,
Speaker 1: in the best possible condition to not have to replay
Speaker 1: his rookie season where he was in and out of
Speaker 1: the lineup and also in and out of practice and
Speaker 1: training camp for that matter. I mean, he wants to
Speaker 1: be available and ready to go start to finish, and
Speaker 1: and when you think about that with the possibilities with
Speaker 1: this defense, you know, it starts to open your eyes
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sticking on the topic of Jeff Hafley,
Speaker 1: the thing that really stood out to me a line
Speaker 1: of his that that really spoke to me and just
Speaker 1: all these years that I've been doing this, and and
Speaker 1: you know, we try to communicate with fans and and
Speaker 1: everything else to hear to hear, to hear Jeff Halfley
Speaker 1: say that he was very proud of the defense and
Speaker 1: how hard they were playing and how well the unit
Speaker 1: was playing at the end of the year. Obviously it
Speaker 1: was a solid performance against Philadelphia in the wild card game.
Speaker 1: But then he said the biggest question for him in
Speaker 1: year two is how fast can the Packers get back
Speaker 1: to that level? And I thought the way he phrased
Speaker 1: that was very, very crucial because first he says how
Speaker 1: fast can the pack get back to that which is
Speaker 1: an acknowledgment that in this league you can't just pick
Speaker 1: up where you left off. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: As much as the fans would like to say, well,
Speaker 1: the Packers are playing great defense at the end of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, they ought to be able to start
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five play in just like that, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So the mindset of the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is just this, this is the reality. He's
Speaker 1: happy with how they finished the season, but now the
Speaker 1: goal is to get back to that as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: and then also along those lines, knowing as the leader
Speaker 1: of the defense and as the coordinator, the faster he
Speaker 1: can get that unit back to that level, then the
Speaker 1: greater opportunity there is for growth and progress to get
Speaker 1: hopefully to another level for another stretch run for the Packers.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I was playing a game with my son on Sunday.
Speaker 2: It's like Minions, something from Despicable Mean. Okay, so the
Speaker 2: little minions run around and you got to like jump
Speaker 2: over fire hydrants and get on and get on rocket
Speaker 2: ships and all that Killian's much better at the game
Speaker 2: than I am.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I imagine that I go figure.
Speaker 2: I play it the first time around and I end
Speaker 2: up bumping into something electrical cord or something, So then
Speaker 2: I restart. So the second time around, I'm like, I'm ready,
Speaker 2: now I'm set, And you know what happens. The whole
Speaker 2: course changed. It's not the same thing over over again.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, Mario didn't change. It was
Speaker 2: the same thing, the same level. You just mastered it
Speaker 2: and you moved on. No that these kids are doing
Speaker 2: it differently these days. Defensively That's what it's like in
Speaker 2: the National Football League offensively too. Just because the Packers
Speaker 2: had success with some of the exotic looks they had
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, just because in some ways they
Speaker 2: didn't have the success they won it with the four
Speaker 2: man rush last season, it isn't a precursor for what's
Speaker 2: going to happen in twenty twenty five. Jeff Halfley recognizes that.
Speaker 2: So when he was asked the question by match Nightman,
Speaker 2: which was a great question about basically what kind of
Speaker 2: defense do you want to be? The question is, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have a you have a construct a concept of
Speaker 2: a plan that you're going to go into the season with,
Speaker 2: but can you actually facilitate it the way you think?
Speaker 2: And if not, is evolution involved in regardless, there is
Speaker 2: adaptation that is going to be required throughout the course
Speaker 2: of the season. Look at the twenty fourteen Packers when
Speaker 2: Clay Matthews moved inside linebacker. But all that being said,
Speaker 2: what excites me about this, Mike is last season Halfley
Speaker 2: was in his first year with this defense. He's trying
Speaker 2: to figure out which pieces he's going to plug in,
Speaker 2: which pieces are going to take out of it, and
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, it was a top
Speaker 2: five unit because of how they constantly adapted to what
Speaker 2: their situation was. I think that's what gives me the
Speaker 2: most really excitement about this scheme. Halfley's a sharp dude
Speaker 2: with a good scheme, and he proved that whether it's
Speaker 2: in the middle of a game or week by week,
Speaker 2: he can make those adjustments. And you have guys like Cooper.
Speaker 2: Now that Mike, let's be honest, man, you've been around
Speaker 2: here a long time. I'd put Cooper at least in
Speaker 2: my fourteen years covering this team right in the top
Speaker 2: five for the most impressive rookies that we've seen.
Speaker 1: I would yeah, I would agree. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that really intrigues me about Jeff Halfley with this defense
Speaker 1: in year two, as you said, he acknowledged at the podium. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Packers went from trying to get a lot
Speaker 1: done with a standard fore man rush. You want to
Speaker 1: rush for and cover seven, that's what's going to give
Speaker 1: you the best opportunity for turnovers in the back end.
Speaker 1: It didn't really work out that way. He had to
Speaker 1: get a little bit more exotic about how exactly he
Speaker 1: was going to rush for and cover seven, but that's
Speaker 1: what he wanted to stay in most of the time.
Speaker 1: So you try these different fire zone looks and all this,
Speaker 1: and guys coming from different angles and other guys dropping
Speaker 1: off the defensive line. Okay, Now, every single opponent on
Speaker 1: the Packers' schedule for twenty twenty five has all of
Speaker 1: that game film to digest of. Okay, this is how
Speaker 1: This is what Jeff Haffley likes to do in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: and Halfley knows that, Halflely knows that all the opponents
Speaker 1: have been studying that. So the really intriguing question, which
Speaker 1: of course is the one he's not going to answer
Speaker 1: at the podium, is hey, man, what else you got
Speaker 1: up your sleeve?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like it's because, hey,
Speaker 1: there are a gazillion different ways to play defense in
Speaker 1: this game, and there are all kinds of different things
Speaker 1: you can try, and if you feel like you have
Speaker 1: the personnel to try some different things, see if you
Speaker 1: can get them to master certain concepts. You know, who
Speaker 1: knows where this Packers defense is going to be at
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty five compared to the end
Speaker 1: of twenty four or the beginning of twenty five. It's
Speaker 1: the biggest point from Halfley is that it is a
Speaker 1: constant evolution in this game, and if you are not
Speaker 1: evolving on either side of the ball, you are falling
Speaker 1: behind because the league is just too competitive and everybody
Speaker 1: has every square inch of film to watch on you
Speaker 1: of everything that you've ever done.
Speaker 2: It's the old Billy Bean adage man adapt or die, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's what you have to do in this position
Speaker 2: and this job. I feel like he's been really good
Speaker 2: at it. Michael, You and I said it so often
Speaker 2: last year, but my goodness, I just want to give
Speaker 2: a quick shout out to this guy because, in addition
Speaker 2: to how thorough and in depth and conversational Halfway is
Speaker 2: at the podium, you know, there was a you know,
Speaker 2: this is the only time, as you said, we're getting
Speaker 2: these guys during the off season program. He has like
Speaker 2: a fifteen minute window to do interviews and time was up,
Speaker 2: but yet he still was asking if there's anybody else
Speaker 2: that needs questions asked, and they weren't all just you know,
Speaker 2: softball is either there's some tough stuff that he's being
Speaker 2: asked right now about the construct of this football team.
Speaker 2: Halfley took the time he did that, and again, this
Speaker 2: is this is the type of dude I want to
Speaker 2: play for. You're talking about head coaches and press conferences
Speaker 2: and all that. I've said it time and time again.
Speaker 2: It's like listening to a college an engaging college professor.
Speaker 2: When he's up there explaining this thing, you can feel
Speaker 2: his passionate for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. We'll get to the other coordinators
Speaker 1: we heard from in just a minute, but I will
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Speaker 1: on Jeff Hafley defensive coordinator, Adam Stenovich offensive coordinator. What
Speaker 1: was your primary takeaway from hearing him address the media
Speaker 1: for the first time in the offseason.
Speaker 2: So many interesting things to go over with him. I
Speaker 2: think the biggest aspect of it is the current situation
Speaker 2: that Green Bay faces with these receivers and the multitude
Speaker 2: that they have available to them despite Christian Watson's injury
Speaker 2: right now, and Jason Willie had asked the question, which
Speaker 2: I thought was a great question about, Hey, you look
Speaker 2: at what happened with Jaden Reid at the end of
Speaker 2: last season. He got kind of banged up, obviously a
Speaker 2: pretty significant shoulder injury that they're expecting him to be
Speaker 2: healed from going into the season. But that happened in Philly.
Speaker 2: He was with the slang when we're in the locker room.
Speaker 2: Jayden Reid went through a lot last year, been the
Speaker 2: most productive receiver Green Bays had in terms of just
Speaker 2: his pure statistics the past two seasons. Is there things
Speaker 2: green Bay can do to take the load off of them?
Speaker 2: Can savey On Williams help in that capacity, And as
Speaker 2: Stenovich said, he thinks Williams and Matthew Golden, the first
Speaker 2: round pick, both can do things that help him out.
Speaker 2: From Golden's perspective, this is a guy that runs a
Speaker 2: four to two nine. You can place him anywhere, and
Speaker 2: they've he's already, even though they are not catching passes
Speaker 2: and doing routes and all that type of stuff. In
Speaker 2: terms of the in game eleven and eleven seven on
Speaker 2: seven stuff, he's shown a lot, whether it was the
Speaker 2: rookie minichamp or just some of the things that they're
Speaker 2: seeing behind the scenes right now with him a very
Speaker 2: exciting young player that definitely is mature beyond his years.
Speaker 2: Saveon Williams, man, I'll tell you what somebody had asked
Speaker 2: this question an insider inbox that I'm answering for what
Speaker 2: will be Tuesday's column. You know, do you think the
Speaker 2: Packers and Brian Goodkins they were excited they thought they
Speaker 2: see a you know, a Taysom Hill type player in Williams.
Speaker 2: While I don't think that's the natural comparable. I think
Speaker 2: it is really exciting when you see a guy with
Speaker 2: all this college film and now you get to pick
Speaker 2: what you want to use him, how you want to
Speaker 2: use it. What tools does he present that you think
Speaker 2: can benefit your offense right off the bat. In that way,
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the more exciting offenses
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to cover with the Green Bay
Speaker 2: Packers because again, as much as you and I talked
Speaker 2: last year about all these receivers that can do different things.
Speaker 2: Now you have a guy like Williams that has that
Speaker 2: many carries under his belt, has thrown a pass at
Speaker 2: the college level and seems to have a pretty good
Speaker 2: arm too. That was interesting and you can just kind
Speaker 2: of see the enthusiasm, the excitement with Stenovich too, kind
Speaker 2: of talking about what the potential build of this offense
Speaker 2: can be with these two rookies coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think to connect it even a little
Speaker 1: bit to last year on the defensive side, whether you're
Speaker 1: talking about Edgrian Cooper or Evan Williams playing in the
Speaker 1: back end as a rookie with Xavier McKinney. The progress
Speaker 1: that these rookies hopefully are going to show throughout the
Speaker 1: course of their first seasons in the NFL. Where the
Speaker 1: Packers offense is down the stretch in twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: could be very different, very different where it is at
Speaker 1: the beginning. If these young guys are going to be
Speaker 1: up to contributing and answering the call and and the
Speaker 1: coaches are going to push them, They're going to test them.
Speaker 1: How much can they handle schematically? You know, how much
Speaker 1: can you feed them that they will understand the responsibilities
Speaker 1: the different roles, and then getting getting those worked into
Speaker 1: worked into game plans. The other thing that I kind
Speaker 1: of got a kick out of listening to Steno at
Speaker 1: the podium is the the old offensive lineman was showing
Speaker 1: through there a bit, because, for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: Adam Stenovich, Wisconsin native Marshfield, Wisconsin in the center of State,
Speaker 1: went and played left tackle at the University of Michigan
Speaker 1: in ann Arbor, spent some time during his pro career
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, but when he got to the NFL,
Speaker 1: he was one of those left tackles who has moved
Speaker 1: inside to guard and then sort of had to become
Speaker 1: the jack of all trades backup. He had to be
Speaker 1: ready to ready to step in as a reserve offensive
Speaker 1: alignment at any position where he might be needed. He
Speaker 1: really really likes this group that the Packers have continued
Speaker 1: to put together on the offensive line in terms of
Speaker 1: versatile players, guys that are that are challenged and expected
Speaker 1: to learn and understand multiple positions. And he's really fired
Speaker 1: up about the competitions that are going to be developing here,
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Jordan Morgan and Rashid Walker at
Speaker 1: left tackle, and if Anthony Belton, the second round draft pick,
Speaker 1: gets into that mix, or if it's Morgan and Sean
Speaker 1: Ryan at at right guard. He's he's really really excited
Speaker 1: to see just where these different versatile pieces, how they
Speaker 1: compete for certain spots, and and then how it all
Speaker 1: comes together, not just the starting five, but then okay,
Speaker 1: who's number six, seven, and eight, and how many different
Speaker 1: spots can they rely on six, seven and eight to
Speaker 1: fill in for when they need them.
Speaker 2: People always, and I'm not criticizing one for this, but
Speaker 2: fans always, you know, really perseverate on what the start
Speaker 2: five is and what is the secondary going to look
Speaker 2: like in all this and so often what we envision
Speaker 2: even during training camp, even the end of training camp,
Speaker 2: differs greatly from what we see at the end of
Speaker 2: the season. Seventy five percent of the time it's due
Speaker 2: to injuries. I mean, how many people last year Mike
Speaker 2: had Keishawn Nixon earmarked for a perimeter cornerback for most
Speaker 2: of the season, right, But that's the way the cookie
Speaker 2: crumbled when you when you look at the offensive line.
Speaker 2: The Packers were remarkably healthy throughout the course of the season,
Speaker 2: but then Elton Jenkins insers his shoulder in Philadelphia, and
Speaker 2: now they're playing multiple guys in those spots. How you
Speaker 2: build out the line for six, seven, eight is almost
Speaker 2: as important as building the starting five itself. And what
Speaker 2: intrigues me and I talked about this on our show
Speaker 2: last week, is there are so many different variations and
Speaker 2: variables in manifest you know, manifest you know, how would
Speaker 2: I say it?
Speaker 1: Manifestation and atestations?
Speaker 2: Thank you? I ran. I was doing so well and
Speaker 2: then I ran into a roadblock.
Speaker 1: That's okay, process, it happens, but the show truly is unscrewed.
Speaker 2: I should have only gone with two things. I try
Speaker 2: to turn it into the trilogy of their network. My
Speaker 2: point being is that if you have a Jordan Morgan
Speaker 2: who can play multiple positions, if you have an Anthony
Speaker 2: Belton who could potentially contribute at multiple spots, that makes
Speaker 2: your offensive line stronger down the run. Not only does
Speaker 2: it push a Rasheet Walker for the left tackle job,
Speaker 2: but it gives you an option there depending on if
Speaker 2: Walker wins that and still has an injury or something
Speaker 2: like that. You have to be able to go there.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the Packers offensive lines over
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. That's where they've been really strong.
Speaker 2: Everybody was looking at Jordan Morgan a year ago at
Speaker 2: this time, not a lot of people were talking about
Speaker 2: Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan ends up starting seventeen games right
Speaker 2: guard last season. Yep, you have to be able to
Speaker 2: have plan B, C, D and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Rich Basacia an assistant head coach, special teams coordinator.
Speaker 1: He's actually the first one we heard from at the podium.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him as our third one here. If
Speaker 1: there's one thing I took away from that more than
Speaker 1: anything else, it's the reminder, the reminder of how coaches
Speaker 1: in this league absolutely perseverate on failures, on things that
Speaker 1: go wrong. Rich Bisacci was talking about basically was pointing
Speaker 1: out the biggest moments over his three years with Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur where he feels the Packers' special teams have let
Speaker 1: down the squad in terms of their performance. And you know,
Speaker 1: he articulated the different moments, and everybody knows the major
Speaker 1: ones and what they are. I felt like after hearing
Speaker 1: coach Bisaccia talk like that that I could look at
Speaker 1: his you know, his coaching resume and go, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was he was coaching special teams with the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Okay, Rich, name me a play in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Where your special teams?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: And he would know, like he would know, because that's
Speaker 1: that's how these coaches are. They are they are always
Speaker 1: focused on trying to fix what goes wrong. And it
Speaker 1: was also interesting to hear just in the way that
Speaker 1: he talks about things, you know, whether whether he's talking
Speaker 1: about Andres Carlson missing a field goal in the playoff
Speaker 1: game in San Francisco two years ago or Keishawn Nixon
Speaker 1: fumbling the opening kickoff in the playoff game. Rich Pasaccia
Speaker 1: talks about that and he calls it we fence for
Speaker 1: a reason. He talks about we let the team down.
Speaker 1: He doesn't put it just on the players that there
Speaker 1: was a failure and that there was a mistake. He
Speaker 1: feels it. He takes the responsibility for it as the
Speaker 1: coach that his unit needs to perform better, and that's
Speaker 1: on him. And I think it's just it speaks to
Speaker 1: the culture of accountability that we've seen across the board
Speaker 1: with this team. And it's why even though you know, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four didn't finish the way the packers wanted
Speaker 1: it to. They didn't get as far as they did
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But man, there is a culture of accountability around here
Speaker 1: that they know what went wrong, they know why it
Speaker 1: went wrong, and they're going to try their darnness to
Speaker 1: learn from and move forward from it. And that's what
Speaker 1: has you excited about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent point. And to me, I was sitting
Speaker 2: there thinking about this, it almost reminds you the old
Speaker 2: poker player adage, you know, where it's like you always
Speaker 2: remember your your bad beats and right you do the
Speaker 2: pots that you've won, and that that's kind of what
Speaker 2: it's been for Bisaci because there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: positives mixed in there too, but certainly it's the moments
Speaker 2: where you feel like your team adversely affected the whole squad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was one thing that he was sort of
Speaker 2: talking about. The other thing too, I thought was very
Speaker 2: important that he mentioned was the topic of Kishawn Nixon
Speaker 2: came up again, and we don't know what's going to
Speaker 2: happen as far as this return situation. The Packers drafted
Speaker 2: a couple guys that have return experience, including Golden. They
Speaker 2: signed Mkole Hardman. He's involved in this thing now. But
Speaker 2: it did sound in some ways like without talking to Kishaw,
Speaker 2: and it did sound like cooler heads have kind of prevailed.
Speaker 2: As Bisachia said after the Philadelphia game, he wasn't in
Speaker 2: a great mood either. Nobody was with how that game went,
Speaker 2: with how that fumble on that kickoff return, everything that
Speaker 2: came out of that. But Nixon is He always look
Speaker 2: at Nixon as being the mix with kickoff returns, and
Speaker 2: he's a two time All Pro. It's something he's done
Speaker 2: very well at this level. Again, we have to see
Speaker 2: what the construct of the fifty three looks like, which
Speaker 2: your game day roster looks like. But the fact of
Speaker 2: the matter is Nixon goes back a long, long way
Speaker 2: with Bisaccia. Yep, those aren't two guys that just got
Speaker 2: paired together in Green Bay. They're going back to the
Speaker 2: rookie season for Keishaw now six years ago. There is
Speaker 2: a bond that has been forged there and we'll see
Speaker 2: exactly how it all shuffles out. It was also interesting
Speaker 2: too hearing him talk a little bit about Nate Hobbs,
Speaker 2: and Hobbs was effusive in his praise of Bisacia when
Speaker 2: we first met him back in March, and just how
Speaker 2: much of an impact he had on him, not only
Speaker 2: as a player, but as a person. Now he comes
Speaker 2: into the fold here into Green Bay. In addition to
Speaker 2: you look at Pisachi being extremely excited about him being here. Also,
Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley talked about it. He's seen him play inside,
Speaker 2: he's seen him play outside. The Packers are going to
Speaker 2: play him at both. They feel like this guy's entire
Speaker 2: repertoire is open to them and they want to take
Speaker 2: advantage of it. So football is so much about connections
Speaker 2: as it is as much as about the playbook. Like
Speaker 2: in that type of with those two guys, both Nixon
Speaker 2: and Hobbs, two former Raiders, you're kind of feeling that
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, as much as
Speaker 1: there everything's about x's and o's and forty times and
Speaker 1: all this other kind of stuff. It's as with any business,
Speaker 1: it's a people business. And and the more we get
Speaker 1: to hear from coaches and they talk about their relationships
Speaker 1: with players and whatnot, you get a little bit better
Speaker 1: sense behind the scenes as to how these guys connect
Speaker 1: and how coaches and players and all these guys in
Speaker 1: the locker room, you know, become a team. And you know,
Speaker 1: even though it's the pros and everybody's collecting their paychecks,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for relationships and the
Speaker 1: way people relate to one another.
Speaker 2: Leadership is leadership, man, it doesn't matter. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: I've been around long enough now to feel this and
Speaker 2: work for enough different companies to know this. I mean, whether, yes,
Speaker 2: the spotlight is very bright and it's very hot on
Speaker 2: NFL coaches and players alike, but at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, it comes down to can you get guys
Speaker 2: rally to play for you, to work for you, to
Speaker 2: want to succeed for you? I think Beside does that.
Speaker 2: And listening to Jeff Hafley and the rest of this
Speaker 2: coaching staff, I mean, it was funny. Another thing that
Speaker 2: came up in insider inboxes I'm putting this together is
Speaker 2: it's not easy to put together a successful foundation in
Speaker 2: the National Football League. The Packers have done that. This
Speaker 2: was the eighth draft of Brian Gudekunst as general manager.
Speaker 1: Now this is this, there's where has the time gone before?
Speaker 2: We're going out to season seven now, right with Matt
Speaker 2: Lafleur as a coach, Like this thing moves quick. But
Speaker 2: when you do build that success in that culture and
Speaker 2: you have a foundation that you can bring guys into
Speaker 2: and warm them into, that's one of the big benefits
Speaker 2: that Green Bay has had for three decades now, and
Speaker 2: certainly trying to change that and not change that, but
Speaker 2: translate that into another championship in twenty twenty five. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, as I said at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: the big news this week in the NFL will be
Speaker 1: the schedule release on Wednesday night. Are you ready for this?
Speaker 2: I'm so ready for it because there's a Mumford and
Speaker 2: Sun's concert at the Feisser Forum, I believe, in October nineteenth,
Speaker 2: and I need to know whether or not I can
Speaker 2: go to that.
Speaker 1: You traveling, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: If we're home though, my goodness, I will be. I
Speaker 2: will be. I might conclude that as one of my
Speaker 2: ten things to know about the schedule release, the packers
Speaker 2: are home and I can go to the mumperd and
Speaker 2: Sun's concert.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's so yes.
Speaker 2: The answer is I'm very exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very you're very ready for this. And on
Speaker 1: our next show, we will talk about anything and everything
Speaker 1: with regards to the Packers' schedule and uh and maybe
Speaker 1: even for another show after that, depending on what it
Speaker 1: looks like. Who knows, but for now we're gonna call
Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers unscript. It'd
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