1 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkoitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: I know the big news this week in the NFL 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: will be the schedule release on Wednesday, so our second 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: show of this week will focus on that. But for 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: this show on Monday, here at Packers headquarters, we in 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: the media got to hear from the Packers three coordinators, 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Rich Pasacia, Jeff Hafley Adam Stenovich, the only time that 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: those coordinators will meet with the media until training camp 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: rolls around. So I'm just gonna throw out an open 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: ended question. We will discuss all three in some way, 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: shape or form and what we heard, but what was 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: your most interesting takeaway from hearing from the coordinators. 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be your most interesting takeaway 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: as well, Mike, and that is the fact that Edrin 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: Cooper is turning eyes around the Lambeufield facility. We have 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: not seen him yet. You and I as the writers, 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: we are not down in the football area. But Jeff Affley, 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: the first thing he asked the reporters is have you 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: seen him yet? And he said he's bigger, And it 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: was in his estimation that Cooper is probably hovering closer 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: to twoint forty now after being listed last year at 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: two twenty nine, which is the natural progression. I think 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: it's where everyone saw this young man going in year two. 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: Not only does that help in terms of the game 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: of football itself, but also his durability, which was something 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: the Packers were looking for after he battled a couple 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: of little nagging injuries here and there during his rookie season. 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: But Michael, that was really the only blemish on this thing. 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: This dude, you know, getting some vote votes for Defensive 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year obviously an All PFWA rookie member. 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: This is a very very talented young man. And where 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: last year it was a real big question, Okay, where 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: do the Packers fit him in? How do you get 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: him on the field, I think that side of it 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: has gone now. The question is where is he going 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: to play, how often is he going to play there? 40 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: And how can he affect the overall defense? 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: And I think hearing from Halfley, how he seems to 42 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: have remade, reshaped his body a little bit, and taken 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: the off season strength and conditioning. That seriously just speaks 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: to how dedicated he is to being available for this 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: team on a weekly basis and how disappointed he was 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: as a rookie that he had to deal with those injuries. Now, 47 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: there are no guarantees. I mean, anything can happen at 48 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: any point in a given football game. It's a collision sport, 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: and bad things happen all the time. So this doesn't 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: guarantee that Edrin Cooper is going to play every single 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: game for the Packers in twenty twenty five, but he 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: is working to put himself in the best possible shape, 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: in the best possible condition to not have to replay 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: his rookie season where he was in and out of 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: the lineup and also in and out of practice and 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: training camp for that matter. I mean, he wants to 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: be available and ready to go start to finish, and 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: and when you think about that with the possibilities with 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: this defense, you know, it starts to open your eyes 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. Sticking on the topic of Jeff Hafley, 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the thing that really stood out to me a line 62 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: of his that that really spoke to me and just 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: all these years that I've been doing this, and and 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, we try to communicate with fans and and 65 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: everything else to hear to hear, to hear Jeff Halfley 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: say that he was very proud of the defense and 67 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: how hard they were playing and how well the unit 68 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: was playing at the end of the year. Obviously it 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: was a solid performance against Philadelphia in the wild card game. 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: But then he said the biggest question for him in 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: year two is how fast can the Packers get back 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: to that level? And I thought the way he phrased 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: that was very, very crucial because first he says how 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: fast can the pack get back to that which is 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: an acknowledgment that in this league you can't just pick 76 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: up where you left off. It doesn't work that way. 77 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: As much as the fans would like to say, well, 78 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: the Packers are playing great defense at the end of 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, they ought to be able to start 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five play in just like that, No, it doesn't. 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So the mindset of the 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is just this, this is the reality. He's 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: happy with how they finished the season, but now the 84 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: goal is to get back to that as quickly as possible, 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: and then also along those lines, knowing as the leader 86 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: of the defense and as the coordinator, the faster he 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: can get that unit back to that level, then the 88 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: greater opportunity there is for growth and progress to get 89 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: hopefully to another level for another stretch run for the Packers. 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five. 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: I was playing a game with my son on Sunday. 92 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: It's like Minions, something from Despicable Mean. Okay, so the 93 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: little minions run around and you got to like jump 94 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: over fire hydrants and get on and get on rocket 95 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: ships and all that Killian's much better at the game 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: than I am. 97 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So I imagine that I go figure. 98 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: I play it the first time around and I end 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: up bumping into something electrical cord or something, So then 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: I restart. So the second time around, I'm like, I'm ready, 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: now I'm set, And you know what happens. The whole 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: course changed. It's not the same thing over over again. 103 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, Mario didn't change. It was 104 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: the same thing, the same level. You just mastered it 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: and you moved on. No that these kids are doing 106 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: it differently these days. Defensively That's what it's like in 107 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: the National Football League offensively too. Just because the Packers 108 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: had success with some of the exotic looks they had 109 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, just because in some ways they 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: didn't have the success they won it with the four 111 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: man rush last season, it isn't a precursor for what's 112 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: going to happen in twenty twenty five. Jeff Halfley recognizes that. 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 2: So when he was asked the question by match Nightman, 114 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: which was a great question about basically what kind of 115 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: defense do you want to be? The question is, yeah, 116 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: you have a you have a construct a concept of 117 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: a plan that you're going to go into the season with, 118 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: but can you actually facilitate it the way you think? 119 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: And if not, is evolution involved in regardless, there is 120 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: adaptation that is going to be required throughout the course 121 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: of the season. Look at the twenty fourteen Packers when 122 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: Clay Matthews moved inside linebacker. But all that being said, 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: what excites me about this, Mike is last season Halfley 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: was in his first year with this defense. He's trying 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: to figure out which pieces he's going to plug in, 126 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: which pieces are going to take out of it, and 127 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: by the end of the year, it was a top 128 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: five unit because of how they constantly adapted to what 129 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: their situation was. I think that's what gives me the 130 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: most really excitement about this scheme. Halfley's a sharp dude 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: with a good scheme, and he proved that whether it's 132 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 2: in the middle of a game or week by week, 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: he can make those adjustments. And you have guys like Cooper. 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: Now that Mike, let's be honest, man, you've been around 135 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: here a long time. I'd put Cooper at least in 136 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: my fourteen years covering this team right in the top 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: five for the most impressive rookies that we've seen. 138 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I would yeah, I would agree. And that's the thing 139 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: that really intrigues me about Jeff Halfley with this defense 140 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: in year two, as you said, he acknowledged at the podium. Okay, 141 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: so the Packers went from trying to get a lot 142 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: done with a standard fore man rush. You want to 143 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: rush for and cover seven, that's what's going to give 144 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: you the best opportunity for turnovers in the back end. 145 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: It didn't really work out that way. He had to 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: get a little bit more exotic about how exactly he 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: was going to rush for and cover seven, but that's 148 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: what he wanted to stay in most of the time. 149 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: So you try these different fire zone looks and all this, 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: and guys coming from different angles and other guys dropping 151 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: off the defensive line. Okay, Now, every single opponent on 152 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: the Packers' schedule for twenty twenty five has all of 153 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: that game film to digest of. Okay, this is how 154 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: This is what Jeff Haffley likes to do in Green Bay, 155 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: and Halfley knows that, Halflely knows that all the opponents 156 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: have been studying that. So the really intriguing question, which 157 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: of course is the one he's not going to answer 158 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: at the podium, is hey, man, what else you got 159 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: up your sleeve? 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: You know? 161 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like it's because, hey, 162 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: there are a gazillion different ways to play defense in 163 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: this game, and there are all kinds of different things 164 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: you can try, and if you feel like you have 165 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: the personnel to try some different things, see if you 166 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: can get them to master certain concepts. You know, who 167 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: knows where this Packers defense is going to be at 168 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty five compared to the end 169 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: of twenty four or the beginning of twenty five. It's 170 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: the biggest point from Halfley is that it is a 171 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: constant evolution in this game, and if you are not 172 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: evolving on either side of the ball, you are falling 173 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: behind because the league is just too competitive and everybody 174 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: has every square inch of film to watch on you 175 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: of everything that you've ever done. 176 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: It's the old Billy Bean adage man adapt or die, Yeah, 177 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: and that's what you have to do in this position 178 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: and this job. I feel like he's been really good 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: at it. Michael, You and I said it so often 180 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: last year, but my goodness, I just want to give 181 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: a quick shout out to this guy because, in addition 182 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 2: to how thorough and in depth and conversational Halfway is 183 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: at the podium, you know, there was a you know, 184 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: this is the only time, as you said, we're getting 185 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: these guys during the off season program. He has like 186 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: a fifteen minute window to do interviews and time was up, 187 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: but yet he still was asking if there's anybody else 188 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: that needs questions asked, and they weren't all just you know, 189 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: softball is either there's some tough stuff that he's being 190 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: asked right now about the construct of this football team. 191 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: Halfley took the time he did that, and again, this 192 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: is this is the type of dude I want to 193 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: play for. You're talking about head coaches and press conferences 194 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: and all that. I've said it time and time again. 195 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: It's like listening to a college an engaging college professor. 196 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: When he's up there explaining this thing, you can feel 197 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: his passionate for it. 198 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. We'll get to the other coordinators 199 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: we heard from in just a minute, but I will 200 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: take care of our sponsor business. 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What 209 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: was your primary takeaway from hearing him address the media 210 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: for the first time in the offseason. 211 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: So many interesting things to go over with him. I 212 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: think the biggest aspect of it is the current situation 213 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,239 Speaker 2: that Green Bay faces with these receivers and the multitude 214 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: that they have available to them despite Christian Watson's injury 215 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: right now, and Jason Willie had asked the question, which 216 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: I thought was a great question about, Hey, you look 217 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: at what happened with Jaden Reid at the end of 218 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: last season. He got kind of banged up, obviously a 219 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: pretty significant shoulder injury that they're expecting him to be 220 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: healed from going into the season. But that happened in Philly. 221 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: He was with the slang when we're in the locker room. 222 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Jayden Reid went through a lot last year, been the 223 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: most productive receiver Green Bays had in terms of just 224 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: his pure statistics the past two seasons. Is there things 225 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: green Bay can do to take the load off of them? 226 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: Can savey On Williams help in that capacity, And as 227 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: Stenovich said, he thinks Williams and Matthew Golden, the first 228 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: round pick, both can do things that help him out. 229 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: From Golden's perspective, this is a guy that runs a 230 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: four to two nine. You can place him anywhere, and 231 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: they've he's already, even though they are not catching passes 232 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: and doing routes and all that type of stuff. In 233 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: terms of the in game eleven and eleven seven on 234 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: seven stuff, he's shown a lot, whether it was the 235 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: rookie minichamp or just some of the things that they're 236 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: seeing behind the scenes right now with him a very 237 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: exciting young player that definitely is mature beyond his years. 238 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: Saveon Williams, man, I'll tell you what somebody had asked 239 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: this question an insider inbox that I'm answering for what 240 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: will be Tuesday's column. You know, do you think the 241 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: Packers and Brian Goodkins they were excited they thought they 242 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: see a you know, a Taysom Hill type player in Williams. 243 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: While I don't think that's the natural comparable. I think 244 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: it is really exciting when you see a guy with 245 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: all this college film and now you get to pick 246 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: what you want to use him, how you want to 247 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: use it. What tools does he present that you think 248 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: can benefit your offense right off the bat. In that way, 249 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: I think this is one of the more exciting offenses 250 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to cover with the Green Bay 251 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: Packers because again, as much as you and I talked 252 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: last year about all these receivers that can do different things. 253 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: Now you have a guy like Williams that has that 254 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: many carries under his belt, has thrown a pass at 255 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: the college level and seems to have a pretty good 256 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: arm too. That was interesting and you can just kind 257 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: of see the enthusiasm, the excitement with Stenovich too, kind 258 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: of talking about what the potential build of this offense 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: can be with these two rookies coming in. 260 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think to connect it even a little 261 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: bit to last year on the defensive side, whether you're 262 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: talking about Edgrian Cooper or Evan Williams playing in the 263 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: back end as a rookie with Xavier McKinney. The progress 264 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: that these rookies hopefully are going to show throughout the 265 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: course of their first seasons in the NFL. Where the 266 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: Packers offense is down the stretch in twenty twenty five 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: could be very different, very different where it is at 268 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: the beginning. If these young guys are going to be 269 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: up to contributing and answering the call and and the 270 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: coaches are going to push them, They're going to test them. 271 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: How much can they handle schematically? You know, how much 272 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: can you feed them that they will understand the responsibilities 273 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the different roles, and then getting getting those worked into 274 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: worked into game plans. The other thing that I kind 275 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: of got a kick out of listening to Steno at 276 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: the podium is the the old offensive lineman was showing 277 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: through there a bit, because, for those who don't know, 278 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: Adam Stenovich, Wisconsin native Marshfield, Wisconsin in the center of State, 279 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: went and played left tackle at the University of Michigan 280 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: in ann Arbor, spent some time during his pro career 281 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, but when he got to the NFL, 282 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: he was one of those left tackles who has moved 283 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: inside to guard and then sort of had to become 284 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: the jack of all trades backup. He had to be 285 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: ready to ready to step in as a reserve offensive 286 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: alignment at any position where he might be needed. He 287 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: really really likes this group that the Packers have continued 288 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: to put together on the offensive line in terms of 289 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: versatile players, guys that are that are challenged and expected 290 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: to learn and understand multiple positions. And he's really fired 291 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: up about the competitions that are going to be developing here, 292 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Jordan Morgan and Rashid Walker at 293 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: left tackle, and if Anthony Belton, the second round draft pick, 294 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: gets into that mix, or if it's Morgan and Sean 295 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: Ryan at at right guard. He's he's really really excited 296 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: to see just where these different versatile pieces, how they 297 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: compete for certain spots, and and then how it all 298 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: comes together, not just the starting five, but then okay, 299 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: who's number six, seven, and eight, and how many different 300 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: spots can they rely on six, seven and eight to 301 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: fill in for when they need them. 302 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: People always, and I'm not criticizing one for this, but 303 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: fans always, you know, really perseverate on what the start 304 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: five is and what is the secondary going to look 305 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: like in all this and so often what we envision 306 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: even during training camp, even the end of training camp, 307 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: differs greatly from what we see at the end of 308 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: the season. Seventy five percent of the time it's due 309 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: to injuries. I mean, how many people last year Mike 310 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: had Keishawn Nixon earmarked for a perimeter cornerback for most 311 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: of the season, right, But that's the way the cookie 312 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: crumbled when you when you look at the offensive line. 313 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: The Packers were remarkably healthy throughout the course of the season, 314 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: but then Elton Jenkins insers his shoulder in Philadelphia, and 315 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: now they're playing multiple guys in those spots. How you 316 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: build out the line for six, seven, eight is almost 317 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: as important as building the starting five itself. And what 318 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: intrigues me and I talked about this on our show 319 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: last week, is there are so many different variations and 320 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: variables in manifest you know, manifest you know, how would 321 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: I say it? 322 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Manifestation and atestations? 323 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: Thank you? I ran. I was doing so well and 324 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: then I ran into a roadblock. 325 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: That's okay, process, it happens, but the show truly is unscrewed. 326 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: I should have only gone with two things. I try 327 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: to turn it into the trilogy of their network. My 328 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: point being is that if you have a Jordan Morgan 329 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: who can play multiple positions, if you have an Anthony 330 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: Belton who could potentially contribute at multiple spots, that makes 331 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: your offensive line stronger down the run. Not only does 332 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: it push a Rasheet Walker for the left tackle job, 333 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: but it gives you an option there depending on if 334 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: Walker wins that and still has an injury or something 335 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: like that. You have to be able to go there. 336 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: And when you look at the Packers offensive lines over 337 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: the last fifteen years. That's where they've been really strong. 338 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Everybody was looking at Jordan Morgan a year ago at 339 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: this time, not a lot of people were talking about 340 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan ends up starting seventeen games right 341 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: guard last season. Yep, you have to be able to 342 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: have plan B, C, D and so on and so forth. 343 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Rich Basacia an assistant head coach, special teams coordinator. 344 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: He's actually the first one we heard from at the podium. 345 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk about him as our third one here. If 346 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: there's one thing I took away from that more than 347 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: anything else, it's the reminder, the reminder of how coaches 348 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: in this league absolutely perseverate on failures, on things that 349 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: go wrong. Rich Bisacci was talking about basically was pointing 350 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: out the biggest moments over his three years with Matt 351 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: Lafleur where he feels the Packers' special teams have let 352 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: down the squad in terms of their performance. And you know, 353 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: he articulated the different moments, and everybody knows the major 354 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: ones and what they are. I felt like after hearing 355 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: coach Bisaccia talk like that that I could look at 356 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: his you know, his coaching resume and go, Okay, he 357 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: was he was coaching special teams with the Cowboys in 358 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Okay, Rich, name me a play in twenty fourteen. 359 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Where your special teams? 360 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: I mean? 361 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: And he would know, like he would know, because that's 362 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: that's how these coaches are. They are they are always 363 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: focused on trying to fix what goes wrong. And it 364 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: was also interesting to hear just in the way that 365 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: he talks about things, you know, whether whether he's talking 366 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: about Andres Carlson missing a field goal in the playoff 367 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: game in San Francisco two years ago or Keishawn Nixon 368 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: fumbling the opening kickoff in the playoff game. Rich Pasaccia 369 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: talks about that and he calls it we fence for 370 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: a reason. He talks about we let the team down. 371 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't put it just on the players that there 372 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: was a failure and that there was a mistake. He 373 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: feels it. He takes the responsibility for it as the 374 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: coach that his unit needs to perform better, and that's 375 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: on him. And I think it's just it speaks to 376 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: the culture of accountability that we've seen across the board 377 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: with this team. And it's why even though you know, yes, 378 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four didn't finish the way the packers wanted 379 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: it to. They didn't get as far as they did 380 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and all that kind of stuff. 381 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: But man, there is a culture of accountability around here 382 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: that they know what went wrong, they know why it 383 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: went wrong, and they're going to try their darnness to 384 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: learn from and move forward from it. And that's what 385 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: has you excited about twenty twenty five. 386 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: It's an excellent point. And to me, I was sitting 387 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: there thinking about this, it almost reminds you the old 388 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: poker player adage, you know, where it's like you always 389 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: remember your your bad beats and right you do the 390 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: pots that you've won, and that that's kind of what 391 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: it's been for Bisaci because there's been a lot of 392 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: positives mixed in there too, but certainly it's the moments 393 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: where you feel like your team adversely affected the whole squad. Yeah, 394 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: and that was one thing that he was sort of 395 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: talking about. The other thing too, I thought was very 396 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: important that he mentioned was the topic of Kishawn Nixon 397 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: came up again, and we don't know what's going to 398 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: happen as far as this return situation. The Packers drafted 399 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: a couple guys that have return experience, including Golden. They 400 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: signed Mkole Hardman. He's involved in this thing now. But 401 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: it did sound in some ways like without talking to Kishaw, 402 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: and it did sound like cooler heads have kind of prevailed. 403 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: As Bisachia said after the Philadelphia game, he wasn't in 404 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: a great mood either. Nobody was with how that game went, 405 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: with how that fumble on that kickoff return, everything that 406 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: came out of that. But Nixon is He always look 407 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: at Nixon as being the mix with kickoff returns, and 408 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: he's a two time All Pro. It's something he's done 409 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: very well at this level. Again, we have to see 410 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: what the construct of the fifty three looks like, which 411 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: your game day roster looks like. But the fact of 412 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: the matter is Nixon goes back a long, long way 413 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: with Bisaccia. Yep, those aren't two guys that just got 414 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: paired together in Green Bay. They're going back to the 415 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: rookie season for Keishaw now six years ago. There is 416 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: a bond that has been forged there and we'll see 417 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: exactly how it all shuffles out. It was also interesting 418 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: too hearing him talk a little bit about Nate Hobbs, 419 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: and Hobbs was effusive in his praise of Bisacia when 420 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: we first met him back in March, and just how 421 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: much of an impact he had on him, not only 422 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: as a player, but as a person. Now he comes 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: into the fold here into Green Bay. In addition to 424 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: you look at Pisachi being extremely excited about him being here. Also, 425 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: Jeff Hafley talked about it. He's seen him play inside, 426 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: he's seen him play outside. The Packers are going to 427 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: play him at both. They feel like this guy's entire 428 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: repertoire is open to them and they want to take 429 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: advantage of it. So football is so much about connections 430 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: as it is as much as about the playbook. Like 431 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: in that type of with those two guys, both Nixon 432 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: and Hobbs, two former Raiders, you're kind of feeling that 433 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: so far. 434 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, as much as 435 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: there everything's about x's and o's and forty times and 436 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: all this other kind of stuff. It's as with any business, 437 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: it's a people business. And and the more we get 438 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: to hear from coaches and they talk about their relationships 439 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: with players and whatnot, you get a little bit better 440 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: sense behind the scenes as to how these guys connect 441 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: and how coaches and players and all these guys in 442 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the locker room, you know, become a team. And you know, 443 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: even though it's the pros and everybody's collecting their paychecks, 444 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for relationships and the 445 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: way people relate to one another. 446 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 2: Leadership is leadership, man, it doesn't matter. I mean, I've 447 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 2: I've been around long enough now to feel this and 448 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: work for enough different companies to know this. I mean, whether, yes, 449 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: the spotlight is very bright and it's very hot on 450 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: NFL coaches and players alike, but at the end of 451 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: the day, it comes down to can you get guys 452 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: rally to play for you, to work for you, to 453 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: want to succeed for you? I think Beside does that. 454 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: And listening to Jeff Hafley and the rest of this 455 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 2: coaching staff, I mean, it was funny. Another thing that 456 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: came up in insider inboxes I'm putting this together is 457 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: it's not easy to put together a successful foundation in 458 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: the National Football League. The Packers have done that. This 459 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: was the eighth draft of Brian Gudekunst as general manager. 460 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: Now this is this, there's where has the time gone before? 461 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: We're going out to season seven now, right with Matt 462 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: Lafleur as a coach, Like this thing moves quick. But 463 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: when you do build that success in that culture and 464 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: you have a foundation that you can bring guys into 465 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: and warm them into, that's one of the big benefits 466 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: that Green Bay has had for three decades now, and 467 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: certainly trying to change that and not change that, but 468 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: translate that into another championship in twenty twenty five. Yeah. 469 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: Well, as I said at the top of the show, 470 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: the big news this week in the NFL will be 471 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: the schedule release on Wednesday night. Are you ready for this? 472 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm so ready for it because there's a Mumford and 473 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: Sun's concert at the Feisser Forum, I believe, in October nineteenth, 474 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: and I need to know whether or not I can 475 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: go to that. 476 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: You traveling, Yeah, okay. 477 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: If we're home though, my goodness, I will be. I 478 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: will be. I might conclude that as one of my 479 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: ten things to know about the schedule release, the packers 480 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: are home and I can go to the mumperd and 481 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: Sun's concert. 482 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's so yes. 483 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: The answer is I'm very exciting. 484 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very you're very ready for this. And on 485 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: our next show, we will talk about anything and everything 486 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: with regards to the Packers' schedule and uh and maybe 487 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: even for another show after that, depending on what it 488 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: looks like. Who knows, but for now we're gonna call 489 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers unscript. It'd 490 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 491 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: team on packers dot com for wes. I am Mike. 492 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 493 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: next time.