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Speaker 1: doing no Masters in economics minash um. And then when

430
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: somebody like Eric crime felt, I said, if we don't

431
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: get the money by this afternoon, we're going home. The

432
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: rest the money before the first show. No, Vivian um

433
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: uh imploded and my attitude was um I looked it

434
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: up and came to the the suite and said, there's

435
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: two flights out tonight, one at eight and one at ten.

436
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: Which one do you want? And and you still won't

437
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: get the money, And then there it went. I didn't

438
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: mean that were right, but then he said, I never

439
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: want to see that guy again. So I had to

440
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: kind of tell Vivian not to cause trouble, and so

441
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I had to take over the tour and do it

442
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: that way, because in in that hard end of the world,

443
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: especially with a no a New York heavyweight attorney who's

444
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: the representing the rolling Stones and things, is that the

445
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: they're bluff and bravado is if you don't stand up

446
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: against it, especially when you know that you hadn't told

447
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Lou yet. Okay, at the end of the day, did

448
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: he make his money? Did he get us paid? Yeah? Yeah,

449
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: but that was all on no tweaking things. Ok if

450
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: you tweaked things, but at the end of the day,

451
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: you lost money, no remain money. Okay, so you know

452
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: ar made but I made money, like by selling the

453
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: choir seats behind Lou read in Perth on a fifty

454
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: fifty cash deal with the manager. Never saw the money.

455
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I do deals with the sound and lights crew, saying

456
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: if you can cut the lights down a bit, I'll

457
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: give you half the money back. Do you want to

458
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: double up in rooms, I'll give you half the room.

459
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: Did you give them the money back? Yeah? Okay, So

460
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: the louse ain't been paid in two months. Okay, so

461
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the lou Read tour ends. Where does that leave you?

462
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Just in a world of start again? And what was that? Well?

463
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: I was managing the band I'm talking for a while

464
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: and I managed time Kate Sobrano when the band broke up.

465
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Um at the same time ended up starting up a

466
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: festival in Melbourne called the Melbourne Melbourne Music Show, which

467
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: ended up being a bicentennial thing for Jen eight at

468
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: the Melbourne Showgrounds. And what was the skill there? Um?

469
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: The scale was kind of weird. They wanted to be

470
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: ten days long and I wanted to be one weekend.

471
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: They tried to drag it out to that. We had

472
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: a big power meeting with everybody at the table, Hugodynsky's

473
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and couples and everybody who is anybody at the time,

474
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: and I was saying, oh yeah, I could get you too,

475
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: and I could get this, and I could get that. No,

476
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: it's with the Victorian government and Irvan Rockman, which doesn't

477
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: mean anything to you, but I know he had the

478
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Rockman Hotel and he used to be the Lord Mayor

479
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: of Melbourne. He was the chairman of it and said

480
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I need to be the chairman of this because my

481
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: name's Rockman Um. And it was all fun except that

482
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: the polem. Once I said, none of these people get along.

483
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: No one's going to give their act to someone else

484
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: to do this. So I became the like the talent

485
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: director of it, and I handled so his works up

486
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: seminars schools, talking about pretty big numbers, like a thousand

487
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: people in some of them during the day and at night.

488
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Had had the music and I had skating in and

489
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff with it all on like

490
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: a four hundred thousand dollar budget with a free venue.

491
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: That was it. I got Nick Cave and got go

492
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: Betweens down, I've got the Divinyls just generally friends I

493
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: could ring up and trying to say can you want

494
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: to do this? And then they stuffed it up at

495
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: the end by running out of money and taking two

496
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars off the government Health Department to making

497
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: it a no smoking, no drinking music festival, which of

498
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: course then stopped the rest of any sales that might

499
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: have happened. Uh. And that's what I got sick of

500
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: it and just said, oh, I'm going to do my

501
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: own thing one day, okay. So it was the government's

502
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: money the four yeah, yeah, yeah, paid twenty tho dollars okay.

503
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: So that that please? And that's just success. No find

504
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: it right? So are you now intrigued the I want

505
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: to do festivals. I always wanted to do an event

506
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: and I don't like the term festival. I like the

507
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Chilip Festival, but I don't like rock festivals as such. Um,

508
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: if it's if it's an event, that it has a

509
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: wider parameter than being the festival. So that was always

510
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: the dream. Yet, okay, so you do this thing from Melbourne?

511
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: What's your next up? Uh? Then I decided to drop

512
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: out of managing anybody, moved back to Sydney because I'm

513
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: still a moment at that point in time, and by

514
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: then would patch things up with Vivian. And when I'm

515
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: going back to Sydney is in Melbourne where we should

516
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: start the touring company again. So it was three reasonably

517
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: healthy to have a three years break from each other

518
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: at any rate on that point, because that was tough

519
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: enough as it was. And then it just went back

520
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: to back to back to back, starting with Jesus Marriage

521
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I and Parkes returning new Order. Um, Deborah Harry, no

522
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: smaller things that I'm up john Stone Rose is long

523
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: the way all that kind of like about six two

524
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: is a year. They never have a laps, Okay, So

525
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: you gave up management because it's really unrewarding. Of course

526
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: if you deal with these people, the ungrateful and you

527
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: don't make any money to boot, No, it's like a

528
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: license to starve. Yeah, okay, getting back to that, I've

529
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: managed like eight acts of the whole time, and every

530
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: time I've quit, right, So I don't have a good

531
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: track record and management in that way. This guy, that's it.

532
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Okay. So were you now known

533
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: as the alternative promoter? I was alternative promoter the okay?

534
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: And then who was your competition if any, um, some

535
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: smaller promoters, people like Tim Pittman, not many, not really,

536
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: It's like it was more like a we had some

537
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: good international agent friends. Um, they understood us. We had

538
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: we just had supporters and I just want to send

539
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: their act down with somebody that could trust. It's a

540
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: long way. And at this point you're making money, yeah,

541
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: making very good money. Then Billy Bragg was a big winner.

542
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: Some of the scenes ago Billy Bragg, who have thought

543
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: he was going to sell out five two thousand theaters

544
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: in Sydney. He sold that many. Really I have sold

545
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: that more. Okay, So you continue to do this like

546
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: six tours a year until what uh? I was trying

547
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: to get the festival together because I don't know what

548
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm taking an event together at any rate based on

549
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: what I did right in and get rid of the

550
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: things that were done wrong. We'd had a massive tour

551
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: of the Violent Firms in nine where they got seven

552
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: thousand people at one show at Fisherman's Wharf on the

553
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Gold Coast, which is pretty out there. We'd do two

554
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: nights at Selena's which held two a half thousand. There'd

555
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: be fus around the corner because they still had a

556
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: door ticketing situation from a lot of it all hard tickets,

557
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: so you'd only sell half maybe more in advance. The

558
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: things I learned from it were that if you'd sell

559
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: out at two and a half thousand capacity venue License

560
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Venue in Sydney, that the main act goes on at midnight,

561
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: no one turns up to eleven thirty because it's cheaper

562
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: to drink at the local pub. So that's when I

563
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: started to pull the show together. Then Lollapaloosa got announced

564
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: for for the August and I went our ship. You know,

565
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to pull my socks up here

566
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and get this going now, otherwise the horse is going

567
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: to bolt. The Violent Femins were scheduled to come back.

568
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: I knew they were too big for some of the stages,

569
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Like as an act, they were too big for some

570
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: of the stages. You know, they're fragile because when I

571
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: put when I put them on, when I wrote at Milwaukee,

572
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: it's Summerfest and it was a big stage there. I

573
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: ended up taking all the furniture out of the house

574
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: and setting it up on stage, so the couch and

575
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: the TV and the fridge and wives and friends were

576
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: just sitting on stage during the show. This is its

577
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: summer Fest. Summerfest. Yeah, this was That's the legendary like

578
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: ten d event was I learned a bit of that.

579
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of that. Okay, that was when

580
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: you were the rude Manager of the Year. But they're

581
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, so I was there for the whole ten days.

582
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: So in excess with supporting the go goes, um UH

583
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: had to talk to R. E. M. Because they were

584
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: thinking that Violet Fans and R. E. M were the

585
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: two acts at that point in time that we're going

586
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: somewhere um and I just understood all the sound spill

587
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: aspects of it, that you could have jazz pointing that

588
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: way and ballroom dancing or blues pointing the other way.

589
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like the principle of it was,

590
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: as I said, is that you do the Easter show

591
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: it's called here or the Royal Agricultural Show and just

592
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: get rid of the animals and put bands in. And

593
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: that was pretty much the simplest thing to do. Because

594
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: those venues were wide elephants um, they were a lot

595
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: of governments wanting to develop them because it was an

596
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: obsolete thing of having a rural show there. So in

597
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Melbourne and in fact both sides of the political party

598
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: were to redevelop the Flemington showgrounds kind of by us

599
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: upset in the apple cart. The venues were kept um

600
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: and so no longer shot it was is that then

601
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: the violent fms just trust me whatever I tell him

602
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: that I was doing. So I just told him this

603
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. Um. And then because I did

604
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: get asked to manage them, and I didn't want to

605
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: manage them because I didn't want to live in America.

606
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Of course, you know how much fun management is, um,

607
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: and I thought that will stop me from doing other things.

608
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: So it was working with them as more as a

609
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: managerial than a promoter role, saying this is what you're doing. Um.

610
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: It started off as a four or five band bill.

611
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: I had to explain it just a little bit slower.

612
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: While the blues announcements, the violent fems sell out business.

613
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: You then in your mind stake we're going to go

614
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: to these agricultural venues. You just put that together. Yeah,

615
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: and how okay, but there's only one in Sydney to

616
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: start with. Okay, so the one in Sydney, what would

617
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: be theoretical capacity? Uh? Well, A beautiful thing about the

618
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: showgrounds these places is they have no theoretical capacity, um,

619
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: which is what I've said many times. What I thank

620
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: God it was me um because we utilize the horn

621
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: and Previnion, which had a capacity of six thousand. We

622
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: utilize some outdoor areas to put some extra stages in,

623
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: put a big skate ramp, try and find some decent

624
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: restaurants to put some reasonable food in. UM sorted out

625
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: to deal with the venue that was I'll take the door,

626
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll take the merchandise. UM, we'll just pay a flat fee.

627
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: You take the bar. Let's just do that. Well, how

628
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: about the restaurants who's gonna They're gonna keep their own

629
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: money just for sake, they keep the fast food money.

630
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I would run as a kind of a lost basis

631
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: the quality food a restaurant and said, do you want

632
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: to come down to a festival, even if it's Laurie's

633
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: Vegetarian or whatever it could trying to at jar and

634
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: food in I had clinton walk of a friend who

635
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: was riding for Rolling Stones set up a chili store

636
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: because he made good chili. UM and and that was it.

637
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: There was no backstage and cility structure anything with it.

638
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: So that the process came about by really going if

639
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I can just do the horn and pavilion with a

640
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: six band bill and run it longer. Then the pressure

641
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: won't be all on the violent fans that they've gotten

642
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: too big or whatever. Okay, and in terms how many

643
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: people did you need to sell tickets to to break even? Well,

644
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: they kept changing because band's kept bringing me, until I

645
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: ended up with twenty one acts and three stages. I

646
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: go all all right, okay, I can find a spot

647
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: for you. And but they didn't know what a festival was.

648
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm signing back to Churn Festival. They didn't know how

649
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: a festival work. I didn't know what it was. And

650
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: the whole principle of the Australian probably the same in

651
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: a national music scene, is that you don't play Beneathan

652
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: act that's smaller than you. No, you've fought a hard

653
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: road to get that spot. And so certain bands would

654
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: go but they didn't understand three stages, so no big,

655
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: small medium dang. So I'm going to friends going no,

656
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: we won't play before that band on the second stage,

657
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: and I go, but that means you'll be playing against Nirvana.

658
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter, Okay, it mattered. Um So this whole

659
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: idea that like with Nirvana in there and Stranger, you're

660
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the indie played after them if I didn't care where

661
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: they played. This is before they broke big well thore

662
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: Nobe one in the world the week. Okay, so your

663
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: four days earlier there in countries. Okay, So you've had

664
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: a very fortunate booking the budget for this. Whose money

665
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: is this now? It's always been my money. Okay, our money.

666
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: My money doesn't make it giff in your heart. You

667
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: say this is gonna work, or you say, yeah, I'm

668
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: gonna throw it up against the wall. Oh, I knew

669
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: it would work. I knew it to work. I knew

670
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: it had sell out. The main problem because the violent

671
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: firms are already that strong that they could do that.

672
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: For an actual fact. I used to complain about it

673
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: because because Nirvana became on the show, because Stephen Pavlovich

674
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: is the friend was bringing them out. Um, I said,

675
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: what they like to play on the show, said, I'll

676
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: check with them. He said, no, Nevana loved the fems.

677
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: That would be great. Now they've played the Phoenician Club

678
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: a few nights before. It was a bit of chaos.

679
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Thousand capacity club of Phoenicians. I don't know where the

680
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Phoenicians live nowadays, but then right, that's the uh. It

681
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: was all kind of who cares? Okay, so the dates play.

682
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: Is it chaos up to the last minute or is

683
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: it is it pretty much go according to plan? Well,

684
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: you find out things you don't organize. I mean, I

685
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: hadn't had any sleep because I realized I realized they

686
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: hadn't put up fences, so I had to start putting

687
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: up fences during the night. Not luckily, I found two

688
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: people in a tree at about two o'clock in the

689
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: morning trying to get in for free. And I had

690
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: gave him the choice of helping me put the fences

691
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: up or leaving. So you want to put the fences

692
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: up to keep our friends out so they can't get in,

693
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: or we have to leave? And I said yeah, So

694
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: they chose to put the fences up with me. Um.

695
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: I got through it. It was fine. The exciting thing

696
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: was is that ten o'clock in the morning there's two

697
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: or three thousand people out front. The main horror I

698
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: had was what happens if they don't turn up till

699
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: five in the afternoon or six tickets? Had you thought?

700
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: I sold fifty two tickets the first day with violent

701
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Fences and Nirvana on the bill, and I kept adding

702
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: bands because it was a ten week campaign and I

703
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: sent oh well fifty two tickets. I guess they don't

704
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: know what it is um and still very much. And

705
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: then eventually as it started to click, uh, then it

706
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: just started to ramp up. And then when it ramped

707
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: up to I think the ten days out, it's all

708
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: like six d and fifty tickets on that day and

709
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: would have probably gone to thirty thousand if it had

710
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: had it. Okay, So ultimately it gets dark, everybody shows up, no, no,

711
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: At nine am they all turned up. I think, so

712
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: there're two thousand A yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're worth it.

713
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: But then by the guy at time, the guy's time

714
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: to ten thirty, it was it was everyone was there,

715
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: so just a question of getting everybody in. By midday,

716
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: everybody was in, okay. Was there an issue of over

717
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: capacity only with Namana, which I did complain about because

718
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I had to stop selling tickets because Navanah got too popular.

719
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: If I could have balanced it out more, I could

720
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: have made more sense of it when you've got one started,

721
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: So we stopped it at nine and a half when

722
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to ten. So i've also which

723
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: of course then I had to renegotiate the deal because

724
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Nirvana confirmed for five thousand dollars um, so I changed

725
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: that to four dollars ahead, so they got right thirty

726
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars. So because it was unfair the deep, well,

727
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: that's rock and roll. The deal is never the deal. No,

728
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: it was. They were going to do it, but I

729
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: just thought, okay, well the d please mega success. Yeah,

730
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: and was it called Big Day Out. It was originally

731
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: called ken Fest. I booked everybody on ken Fest. I

732
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: didn't have a name, and then first Artworks ken Fest,

733
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Richard Aland was doing Mambo worked with me on and

734
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. Because a friend of dare,

735
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: I thought you weren't a self promoter, huh. I thought

736
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: it was gonna be ken Fest, right, yeah, But that

737
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: wasn't That was just the I didn't want to call

738
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: it something that was obviously going to be wrong later,

739
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: so it was something that was obviously wrong now, and

740
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: then eventually had to go with the Big Day Out,

741
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: the idea that it's mine but um And that was

742
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: partly to do with the fact that I'm worried that

743
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: people won't turn up early. So that was the basis

744
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: behind that, is to go it's a day out. It's

745
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: not no something that says it's cool to turn up

746
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock and miss most of the things. Um.

747
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: And that really worked. It worked really well. Um And

748
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: what can I say it? Um? It all held together.

749
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: It was madness, it was dangerous. Um. You could drive

750
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: a truck through the middle of it when Nevada were

751
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: on no without even having to open your eyes. Wouldn't

752
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: run over anybody because everybody was either in or trying

753
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: to get in. Um. And and that success created a

754
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: few more problems for me, which were well the mainstream industry,

755
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: because I've never considered myself part of the music industry

756
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: for a start. I can't stand the term industry. Always

757
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: see that and lawyers get practice my music practice. Um.

758
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: The is that the money people will go, we need

759
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: one of those. That's the ultimate problem with success. We

760
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: need a Nevana, we need a festival like this, we

761
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: need this. We can't have this scene. So they want

762
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: somebody else doing a work to build a scene up

763
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: and then they can cannibalize it after that. So at

764
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: the same time, Triple J Radio is about to go national,

765
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: which means that they would be lowering their profile in Sydney,

766
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: so an actual factor. It was only one off event.

767
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Next time it might not get much profile. And also

768
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, we're a touring company now, we

769
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't know we might have toured people on the road

770
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: on a big tour that that would be one act

771
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: and maybe a support act. But it's a big step

772
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: up to say, twenty people on the road, um. And

773
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: the infrastructure and the trucking and the budgeting um. So

774
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: I did all the budgets m through in a five

775
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: percent contingency for theft as I figured, once you get

776
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: to that point, we're going to steal everything because it's

777
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: not like the corner Shop anymore. It didn't happen that much,

778
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: but it started to happen a bit um and you

779
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: just find that it was organic. But it was almost

780
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: it was kind of like organic on speed. It was

781
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: like it was all logical, it was all natural. That's

782
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: the way it went. No, you go, I'm trying to

783
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: put this party together now, and the party is not

784
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: for the audience. The parties for the band and so

785
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: so moving into say it was like I really want

786
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to get Iggy Pop back out because the tour he

787
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: did with Frontier was stupid. It was supporting Jimmy Barnes,

788
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: did some pub shows, went home halfway through it with

789
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: a nervous breakdown, had a book for eight shows a week.

790
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't fun, so reached out for Eggy to do

791
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: this UM. At the same time, we already basically had

792
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Sonic Youth ready to go UM and then mc harvey

793
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: called me and said, don't you don't you think you

794
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: need a well dressed, good looking band on the show.

795
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what he meant, so went, oh,

796
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: you meant the Bad Seeds you basically you know? He

797
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: said yeah, he said, oh okay, because they love Diggie.

798
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: So then this system of no coming back to Nevana

799
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: likes the violent fems, is that the artist really built

800
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: the lineup. They'd say, why didn't gets on, and so

801
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: they'll bring them for you and then they could hang

802
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: out with their mates. So that became the cornerstone if this.

803
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: Everybody knew what everybody was getting paid. There was no

804
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: big deal. It was like there were some overages for

805
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: the top acts, rest of them on flat fees. It

806
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: was a question to keeping the guarantees down. Uh. It

807
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: just kind of held together on the basis that it

808
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: was if it works out, well, you will give me

809
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: some more money, Okay, A couple of things. So the

810
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: first year you do the one show. Next it's the

811
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: following year that you do multiple shows. Yeah, how many shows?

812
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: The following went to four? Okay, and now it's up

813
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: and running. Yeah, and you continue to do it for

814
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: year after year after year, not necessarily every year, as

815
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't know we're going to do it again. Um.

816
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: It grew pretty quick. It became the alternative scene kind

817
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: of became the mainstream. The record labels gobbled up the

818
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: independent labels so they could get the main ax cheap

819
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: without paying them. Don't why buy the app when you

820
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: can buy the label for the same price and then

821
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: just not put the other artists out. A bit of

822
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: a sad moment. Um, no offspring goes off to mainstream

823
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: land and other people don't, and so it started to

824
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: fracture a bit already with it. The the the the

825
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: strengths of the show. It seemed to be for me

826
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: was just trying to produce as a bringing of the

827
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: tribes together, so that I didn't know much difference between

828
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: techno and metal because it had the same bpm to

829
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot of extent, so exposed metal bands to techno

830
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: and as it's exposed techno people to metal people. And

831
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: they were just talking stuff all day, swapping numbers. No

832
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: had fear Factory asking later on fear Factory asking Prodigy

833
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: how do they get their drum sounds? So it's like

834
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: this weird integration of what's happening backstage and when you're

835
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: taking it on the road. Uh, that it's not possible

836
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: to do that on a one off event, it's not

837
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: possible to do it on a three day camp out.

838
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: Is that the interaction of the artists really only happened

839
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: on their days off. We organized bull games, boats now bowling.

840
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: It was that that was the thing that and if

841
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: the bands wanted to play an extra ten nights to

842
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: the fans, they could. Okay, But you talked earlier about

843
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: somebody establishes the paradigm and the vultures come in after.

844
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: So to what degree were people competing into Why did

845
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: you not get run off by the usual suspects? Um

846
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: they didn't know what they're doing? Did they try? I tried?

847
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: I tried a few times. I tried then, in which

848
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: I said, was a bit of a mistake because they'd

849
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: left it too long, so I was surprised about UM.

850
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: And it was a really good lineup, but it was

851
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: the three Michaels, Mac, Michael Dnsky, Michael Copple and they

852
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: did Alternative Nation, thinking this will work. Great line up

853
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: except a few problems, like they had the Chili Peppers

854
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: on who had canceled, but they kept promoting it for

855
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: two weeks like they were on, switched them with nine

856
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: inch nails ten days out, UM Flaming Lips and there

857
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of good bands on, but it was

858
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: out at right out in the western suburbs. It didn't

859
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: kind of sound right. It wasn't quite a marketed right.

860
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: I tried to do it with the Triple M commercial

861
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: radio station, thinking will alternatives crossed over in the mainstream now,

862
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: so that'll be fine. They did some ridiculous things like

863
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: like UM I used to put on the Artwork International

864
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Food Fair. They did it as a slight type of

865
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: by mistake and called it a multinational food Fair, so

866
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: we're joking about the McDonald's and KFC. UM. It just

867
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: didn't gell right now? Did it hurt your business? And

868
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: it was a failure. I started to wear me down

869
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: because the checkbooks were starting to come out, and so

870
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: therefore what was initially a thing of going all we

871
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: had to do in the initial stages that that was workout.

872
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: We'd do a full tool prop for the act as

873
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: if they were touring on their own, which we were

874
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: well aware of how to do, would work out what

875
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: that would do. Then that would be the basis of

876
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: the fee for the big day out of what we

877
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: think they'd work at the net and allow them to

878
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: add a few extra shows so that even if they

879
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: performed in daylight, they could do their own nighttime show

880
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: at a thousand capacity pub or or later on at

881
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: the entertainment center of their big acts. So they've still

882
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: got their fan base, they could still do their do

883
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: our show. The record company can buy as many tickets

884
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: as they want to that they've still got their own

885
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: spot in the sun. That also allowed for the other

886
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: bands to go and see them, so they'd still have

887
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: the same fun back stage from all the other bands

888
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: with the day off coming to see them at their shows.

889
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: Um uh. And then so ninety year that was a

890
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: bit messy. That was kind of We've had a really ugly,

891
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: highly successful, very ugly year and where it pushed the

892
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: envelope a little bit too hard. Had Ministry headlining and

893
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: Courtney and uh silver chair had just broken, which thanks Owen.

894
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: And they played the skate stage because it was great

895
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: to be on the skate stage little stage at a

896
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: skate route next to it, and so but that was pandemonium.

897
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: It was around the time of the pandemonium in the

898
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: was was considered cool, like you go and do a

899
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: show downtown l A in a comment park and ten

900
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: thousand people had turned up and it was chaos. And eventually,

901
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, as there's the same guy's all it's all

902
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: fun and a game. Still somebody loses an eye and

903
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: that became very precarious. So we had to start pulling

904
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: back on that mayhem because it was heading to dangerous levels. Okay,

905
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: now ultimately over this run you break up with Vivian

906
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: once more. No, No, we just stopped. We just stopped

907
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: in In We got through. Was really difficult because Stephen

908
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Pablovic had decided to do his own festival. He used

909
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: his contacts because he was supplying some acts, which I

910
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: like to be inclusive with everybody. Anybody could bring an

911
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: act in that to a manage it they'd promoted every

912
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: act we ever put on a big day out. We

913
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: put on our own tour manager. Well they had their

914
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: own tour manager locally, because I didn't want to hear

915
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: about problems afterwards, and I thought as a touring company

916
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: we'd automatically like normally I would have been the tour

917
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: manager and things with it. But everybody was there and

918
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: so ninety six had ended up very difficult to put

919
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: the line up together. Um. I went with the strength

920
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: of Australian Earnest and Steve and had a great lineup

921
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: with food fighters and back and oh Beastie Boys and

922
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: all of sets of stuff that we're going on and

923
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: that we had an argument over one act and it

924
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: was over raged against the machine and no one way

925
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: or the other, um, and we ended up getting raged

926
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: against the machine and they were on it in a

927
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: bit of the Nirvana spot. They're on it like six thirty,

928
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: which was pretty good fun, especially when the police are

929
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 1: got guns in the audience and yelling out the chant

930
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: lines in fact, you don't do it, I won't do

931
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: what you tell me, and the police are getting roughed

932
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: up by the audience and you kind of go, this

933
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: is getting bad, but it was a phenomenal show. But

934
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: then I decided that the pressures of doing this, the

935
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: the money train that's going on, um, it was wearing

936
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: away at me emotionally, physically. I had it in my

937
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: head seven um and I wanted to end that chapter,

938
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: which Vivian, for a better of worse agreed with it,

939
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: so we could go back to a nine show and

940
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: go with the farewell show. I'm not planning to do

941
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: this again, regardless of what everybody think. I had no

942
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: intention of doing it again. We were losing the Sydney

943
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: venue because they were converting it into the Fox Studios.

944
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: They were building an Olympic precinct which was two years away. Um.

945
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: Every council I spoke to said your show is too big,

946
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: so we had no venue. I said, let's just call it.

947
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: So I called it. And about a year later we

948
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: tried another show with Prodigy to try and go more

949
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: of a dance event. Chancel it because it wasn't really working,

950
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: and then we had to look at the new show

951
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: grounds and when all right, no, if I don't do it,

952
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: somebody else is going to do it. It is when

953
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: you're billing. We did the Big Day Out at the

954
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: Olympics side two years before the Olympics, so they were

955
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: still building right up until then. So we were pretty

956
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: much in the concrete jungle of it. Okay, after the Olympics,

957
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: you continue to do it. Yeah, then it was then

958
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: it was unstoppable. Okay, At what point is kenn out?

959
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, is Vivian out? Um? Lots of times, probably

960
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 1: just as many as me um the final out, because

961
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: we had lots of outs along the way, like let's

962
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: not do this. It's like, I don't want to do that.

963
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, this is not coming together. It's it's it's

964
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous having the idea that everything you've earned your

965
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: entire life has been put back on the table every

966
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: year because if it goes wrong, you're out, like really out,

967
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: which is no it can be unlimited. I mean literally

968
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: every dollar you me was every year. Yeah, if you're honorable,

969
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: if you pay your debts, you can warm your way

970
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: out of things. But if you're honorable, you're gonna pay everything.

971
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: There's no other financial backers. There was never any other

972
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: financial backers. In two thousand, Live Nation, which was clear

973
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: channel did they more for I don't know, offered twenty

974
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: million dollars for the show, and I said, why would

975
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: I do that? Um? And then I told Michael Godnsky

976
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: that about it a year or so later any um

977
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: in public. He went down and he said, I just

978
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: can't do that. I'd have to take the money. So

979
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: you had the respect thing of saying knocking back the money,

980
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: But it was more like the control. I couldn't hand

981
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: control over to if aaseless corporation because I knew it

982
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: would die if that. For start, everybody has sold well

983
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: if he's got doubled as soon as the agents knew

984
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: it was owned by like right, we want twice as

985
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: much money and you're not going to give any givebacks

986
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go. Yeah. So if you're an independent operator,

987
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: it's simply think if you're a corporate company. It's a

988
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: different story to sing a song from McDonald's. It's a

989
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: bit different to something else, isn't it. Um. So the

990
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: end crunch really came for the for the Vivian was

991
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: over it and I was over it, and we didn't

992
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: have a break. I always wanted to have a break

993
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: every five or six years, have a fellow year like Glastonbury.

994
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: But he was set in his mind that if you

995
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: stopped it once, you'll never be able to bring it

996
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: back again. You had your chance once, you can't do

997
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: it nowadays there's so many competitors and yeah, he's right,

998
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: and year he's wrong. Um, if it's taken away, yes

999
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: the void might be filled. And if it's filled that

1000
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: much then we shouldn't bother to bring it back. But

1001
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: if it isn't, we can. So the crunch came that

1002
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: going from six shows which was called six and out

1003
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: from to getting to the point with the next time

1004
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: around it's the four year straight after death and two

1005
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: thousand and one with it going through a full comonial

1006
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: after trying to book a lineup in September eleven, two

1007
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: thousand and one for the two thousand and to show

1008
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: all the metal bands canceled cowards. Um. Luckily we've got

1009
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: convinced assertion systems are down to do it. Because the

1010
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: world trade downs went down and all that chaos theory

1011
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: going on. Um, it was just one thing after another

1012
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: that was becoming harder and more expensive and bigger and

1013
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: everybody demanding more. At the same time. The everybody's starting

1014
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: the sources, apprentices people working with us setting up their

1015
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: own festivals realizing they really can't compete with the Big

1016
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: Day Out in that way, so they created their niche festivals,

1017
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: which meant that everybody they needed I had five stages

1018
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: that needed headliners for there was five different festivals that

1019
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: needed a headliner. So instead you want to be on

1020
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: stage four at the Big Day Out, or you want

1021
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: to be a headliner on our festival. So we're being

1022
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: chipped away from the underneath. The mainstream wasn't causing any trouble.

1023
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: It was the new upswing that was wearing away at it. Uh,

1024
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: everybody who we said we can't repeat just went to

1025
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: our opposition. Well, you've been on three times, I can't

1026
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: put you on a fourth time. Great, so the Chemical

1027
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: Brothers in our future festival, or Prodigies over it there,

1028
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: or or you know, Queens of the Stone Age go

1029
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: and play sound way because I've really done a Big

1030
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: Doubt three times, and so you're not delivering the show

1031
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: you'd like to deliver because you don't want to look

1032
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: like you're repeating yourself. At the same time, you're fueling

1033
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: your opposition. The crunch came for two thousand and UM.

1034
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: The crunch was kind of happening in two thousand and eleven,

1035
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: and we managed to put on probably our strongest show ever,

1036
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: which sold out like six minutes, which was a bit

1037
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: different to fifty two tickets UM with no things like

1038
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: Nick Kave Branham and like on the green stage we

1039
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: see her playing before and no, and that's with Tool

1040
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: and Ramstein and the main stage with Iggy Pop. Before that,

1041
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: it was it was a really really massive line up.

1042
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: But by then people didn't even look at that anymore.

1043
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: This went there's X amount of bands here and there's

1044
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: X amount of bands there. It's the same thing. It's

1045
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: like when people were buying entertainment by the meter. Um.

1046
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: Vivian was over it. I was over It was the

1047
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: twentieth year. We're trying to get Prince. We kept saying,

1048
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: if Mark Igher was going, you're trying to do a

1049
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: deal with the devil. I was aware of know how

1050
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: difficult it was. Uh are alternatives weren't great. I didn't

1051
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: want to do the show. Even said if we don't

1052
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: do it now and they'll be doing it again. I

1053
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: was kind of okay with that. He wanted to push

1054
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: it forward. I said, I've got my backpack for Hawaii.

1055
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: Let me know if the shows on or not, And

1056
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: then we ended up settling on Kanye and Sound Garden,

1057
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: who had only recently been there for Splendor. I tried

1058
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: to get watched the Throne, but that was two two

1059
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty person during party, jay Z and Kanye

1060
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: together that even Beyonce be Cheap wouldn't work for us

1061
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: at any rate, because it was two out there to

1062
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 1: start with, and it just wasn't coming together. And and

1063
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: the point of it was, I said it, so if

1064
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: we go on, if we announced and go and say,

1065
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: we're going to have to go through with this, and

1066
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: and he either didn't hear that I didn't want any

1067
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: of that. As soon as it went on sale, he

1068
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: wanted me to come to Melment to cancel it. And

1069
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: we couldn't agree on what to do about that. And

1070
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: that's when we've been departed building. I had to work

1071
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: out what to do with everybody that was left, all

1072
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: the staff. It's a problem when you hire your friends,

1073
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: you gotta fire with your friends. So foolishly to a

1074
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: certain point went forward, n went out for a dollar

1075
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: no with with his costs covered from where he spent

1076
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: so far. Unhappy or happy with that doesn't matter. Then

1077
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: C three became involved, we talked to the other players.

1078
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: UM I didn't really want to work with the competitors

1079
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: after all his years, not that I considered charge didn't

1080
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: scure anybody competitors. I never worked with Michael Cobble. No

1081
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: offense Michael, but I never would. He's a bit too

1082
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: corporate for me. UM and that the the C three

1083
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: opportunity was there because of the relationship Lollapalus and a

1084
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: new Perry and who was trusted. And then we went

1085
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: into this weird world of trying to rebuild the Ark,

1086
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: but it didn't come together. It did, for one, it

1087
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: did the two thousand and third and Big Day Out

1088
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: was a really really fantastic lineup which I'm really happily

1089
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: put together. Houston was incredible from C three. UM we

1090
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: got the right prices, we got the right acts that

1091
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: fell into place pretty well. It did a little bit

1092
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: over break even maybe a little bit more than that.

1093
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: UM No. I did two hundred and thirty thousand people

1094
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: over the six shows, the five shows in New Zealand,

1095
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: so it was two hundred thousand because we didn't do

1096
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: New Zealand that year. We should have, but we didn't.

1097
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: UM no, that was There was some really difficult acts

1098
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: to get, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard

1099
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: to get you know. I really had to talk to

1100
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: people about about nurturing it and working out who else

1101
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: was on. It's like a dating game. It's like people,

1102
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: it's like gonna you're you're putting people in a camper

1103
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: van for a long ride, so they're gonna like the

1104
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: people they're going to be in there. Um So that

1105
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: was all consensus and everybody thought that would be great,

1106
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: that would be that, that would be great. That worked well.

1107
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: Um then um uh no, thanks to Peter minch Uh.

1108
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: He then sold Metallica to sound Wave, which I thought

1109
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: was just totally stupid because he's managing both acts. And

1110
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: then it was Metallica versus the Tili Peppers and kind

1111
01:09:54,040 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: of nobody won. Like he oversold the event for Unwave

1112
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: to the point where it was excruciating for everybody. Um

1113
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: Our sales, which should have been easily a clean sell out, no,

1114
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: ran a bit short. Sydney sold out right at fifty

1115
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: five thousand. That was great, and then Sydney unfortunately had

1116
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: the hottest day ever an Australian record at forty seven

1117
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: point five degrees centigrade. I know you double it down too, right,

1118
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: um And then UM, so that was a bit of

1119
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: a ship fight. We nearly lost the show. I didn't

1120
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: know what to do. It's like the occupation health and

1121
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: safety standards nowadays, they don't write up about what to

1122
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: do if it's too hot, but they need to, UM,

1123
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: because it's that's an ongoing, real issue with climate change

1124
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: and the realities of what we're dealing with. And then

1125
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: so we got through that, that was all fine, and

1126
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: then it just went from all over the shop. Um.

1127
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam were interested in doing two thousand and fourteen. UM,

1128
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: Charlie James good friends. They were pretty expensive. But then

1129
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: we tried to put a lineup together that might work.

1130
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: Realizing I went, okay, Pearl Jam, A lot of people

1131
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: I know won't want to go because the Pearl Jam.

1132
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: I need to counteract that. How do we counteract that?

1133
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: That side of it was coming together all right. We

1134
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: had some other great acts were involved in it. We

1135
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: had Kendrick Lamar locked in, we had various other start

1136
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: no Mackael Moore was in there too. It was all

1137
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: looking old and young at the same time. Then, because

1138
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: of the winter Olympics in Russia. They moved the Grammys

1139
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: onto the middle of our tour for one year, which

1140
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: meant six months out before we'd announced, anybody who wanted

1141
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: to go to the Grammys, I couldn't do our show.

1142
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: So all of the cooler acts trim but they gone yeah,

1143
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: well okay, Drick went no whatever. Um So then the

1144
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: heart got pulled out of it and it didn't and

1145
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: fear bad decisions mine and it just didn't connect, and

1146
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: it was it was already out. And then the final

1147
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: icing on the cake was when the feedback from the

1148
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam fans said, we're not going to go to

1149
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: the Citty Big day Out. We don't want to go

1150
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: and see him there. So even Pearl Jam was a

1151
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: negative because they fans didn't want to see Pearl Jam

1152
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: at the big day out. Okay, so pretty simple. When

1153
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: C three came in, did you take some money off

1154
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: the table? No? No, non't no, no, Now it's fifty

1155
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: fifty So was there any eventing on the line all

1156
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: the time? Okay? So you played it out to the end.

1157
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: Other than doing the shows, you didn't get a big

1158
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: pay day selling. No, I paid a million dollars to

1159
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: go home by who I paid. I paid a minut exactly.

1160
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: So in retrospect, you wish you'd take the Live Nation money?

1161
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: Taking what taking the Live Nation money? No, no way,

1162
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't have lasted more than three years. Okay, So it

1163
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: ends are you when it does have this five years out?

1164
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: You're cool with it? What are you saying? And of course,

1165
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: oh when it when it's in, Oh, it's just business

1166
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: when it's the reality, is it it? It had no venues,

1167
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: it didn't own any property. It was it couldn't protect

1168
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: it's venues, even though I wrote contracts up decide they

1169
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: couldn't put other shows in a similar style. I said,

1170
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: you can't put two car shows in the same place.

1171
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: Why not? You know, like you know the things going on.

1172
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: So when other promoters could use the same venue, I

1173
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: had the same cruise, the same security, the same middle management.

1174
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: It was just too many choices for people to narrow

1175
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: an experience. Okay. So it was business. It was over

1176
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: it probably It surprised me it lasted that long, okay.

1177
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: And would you say the festival business in Australia is

1178
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: healthy now? I don't think the New South Wales government's

1179
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: helping that very much. But I think it's healthy to

1180
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: a level. It's it's it's healthy if you don't put

1181
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 1: your head over the fence. Okay, and you know what

1182
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: happens next you get punched. Have you outgrown it or

1183
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: are you still paying attention? And if there were an

1184
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: opportunity you'd get back in now. No, that's a time capsule. Um,

1185
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: there's much more interesting things in life doer than that.

1186
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: Because I said I went into the process more, is

1187
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: it a there's an artistic statement that needed to not

1188
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: lose money. They don't have any to lose, so I

1189
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,879
Speaker 1: couldn't lose money. It's a much easier way to do business.

1190
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: It's so because your meaning dollars said don't lose money,

1191
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose it. Um. If you don't have any

1192
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: money to lose, but you have nothing, you got nothing

1193
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: to lose. You have to make money. Okay, but uh,

1194
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:21,440
Speaker 1: you it was profitable enough over the run that you're set. Okay,

1195
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I don't have any problems in life. I've

1196
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: done really well. Um. The real point of the issue

1197
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: is I feel like I'm always been more of an

1198
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: educator than an entertainer. But yeah, but it's easy to

1199
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: educate people if you're entertaining them at the same time. Okay,

1200
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: So for the last five years, you've been on your

1201
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: own personal journey, or I suppose so I called it.

1202
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: I tried the Quentin Tarantino approach, which was which he

1203
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: did before kill Bill, which was to lie on the

1204
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: couch of his stone for a year, um, and then

1205
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: he got up and did kill Bill. But then after

1206
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 1: the end of that year, I I thought, I'm going

1207
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: to have to change the story now, so I went

1208
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: into sabbatical no um, and then started to reconnect with

1209
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: what I think is important and not important um Um.

1210
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm working on a more of a textbook, and it's

1211
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: an old term, an educational book in regards to large

1212
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: scyle events. This would be about what the textbook would

1213
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: be about what it's not necessarily how too, it's more

1214
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to do it in two parts. So

1215
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: one it's called the Nuts. Now that's called the Bolts.

1216
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: So there's two books. So because and that the bolts

1217
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: part of it is more to do with the the

1218
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: longer history of the process. Okay, but we're talking about

1219
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: music business and we're talking about festival. What you learned

1220
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: are you talking about the world at large both okay,

1221
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: so back to the Ryman Coliseum okay, and the fact

1222
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: that you've got to entertain the poor people that they'll

1223
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: rise up and kill you. Okay. Now you started at

1224
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: the advent of the alternative era and you wrote it.

1225
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 1: So going back to what you said earlier about science,

1226
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: is it over? It's it's no more over than fashion's over.

1227
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: It's no more over than visual arts over. But the

1228
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: big bang moments if you look at the simple music

1229
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: hit a stole point until sampling, and then sampling kind

1230
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: of upset the hall Apple card um. And now you're

1231
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: at this weird point where you can put music on

1232
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: now and you have no idea where it's from timeline. No,

1233
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: it just there's the boxes are. So if you don't

1234
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: know who it is or what it is is, say,

1235
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: have a list't to theirs and it could be from

1236
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: the seventies, it could be from last week. Um. That

1237
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: confuses the arts process. There's the timeline, the natural progression

1238
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: of it. I don't think there's I don't think there's

1239
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: any form of it being over, because it's been consumed

1240
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: more than ever. But the problem I have with it

1241
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: is that music has a sense as a distraction from

1242
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: working on your computer is not the same as a

1243
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: experiential process of listening to music. And so do you

1244
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: still have a dream? Lots of nightmares? Let's pass but no, no,

1245
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: my nightmares? And when my best ideas got from? But

1246
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: is there something you need to achieve either personally or

1247
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: business wise artistic before you, you know, exit, there's a

1248
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 1: few things, but I probably I'm still in a personal

1249
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: explanation of what's important. So I think that what is important?

1250
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: What have you? What have you learned? I've learned youve

1251
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: got to challenge yourself more than your capable of UM.

1252
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: You've got to work everything out in your head before

1253
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: somebody starts telling you you're wrong. You you know, I'm

1254
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm a chess plan or to checkers plan. What does

1255
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: that mean? Okay? Long game? Okay, UM, You've there's a

1256
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: lot of things that need some nurturing that will be there.

1257
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: But if it's if it's just entertainment, I'm not interested.

1258
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you most proud of it?

1259
01:19:51,760 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: In your career? Shaking up the foundations UM, standing up

1260
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: for use, being able to be used, UM, Helping artists

1261
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: to grow in some case survive. Just let let them

1262
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: reach their full potential. Um there's a lot of things,

1263
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: but I don't think in terms of that are kind

1264
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: of you know, I was in a I was in

1265
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: a position I could do something that I did. Well.

1266
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: You've been wonderful, Ken, you would We could go on forever,

1267
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: but this has been great to hear your history. Until

1268
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: next time, Ken West, thy good.