Speaker 1: On paper, we're supposed to be more evolved and intelligent
Speaker 1: than we've ever been. And people were like, well, we're
Speaker 1: living longer though. No, No, we're the first generation in
Speaker 1: recorded human history that is not going to outlive the
Speaker 1: generation before us. It is now reversed. By treating symptoms,
Speaker 1: we can keep people alive. And what's happening is we're
Speaker 1: not really living longer, We're dying longer. We're extending the suffering.
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Speaker 1: This is a guest that I've been messaging, connecting with
Speaker 1: for a while. We're finally here. So it's always a
Speaker 1: great feeling when you're finally sitting in the studio with
Speaker 1: someone that you've wanted to talk to, interview, gained their
Speaker 1: insights for a long time. And he's a real expert.
Speaker 1: He's a true deep expert. And you know how much
Speaker 1: I love mining the mind and the energy of someone
Speaker 1: who's so deeply rooted in the work they do. And
Speaker 1: today's guest is none other than Sean Stevenson, the author
Speaker 1: of the USA Today national bestseller Eat Smarter and the
Speaker 1: international best selling book Sleep Smarter. He's also the creation
Speaker 1: of The Model Health Show, featured as the number one
Speaker 1: health podcast in the US with millions of listeners downloads
Speaker 1: each year. A graduate of the University of Missouri Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: Sean studied business biology and nutritional science and became the
Speaker 1: co founder of Advanced Integrative Health Alliance. Sean has been
Speaker 1: featured in Forbes, Fast Company, The New York Times, Muscle
Speaker 1: and Fitness, ABC News, ESPN, and many other major media outlets. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to speak to him and buy his book,
Speaker 1: Eat Smarter and His Journey. You can order the book
Speaker 1: as we're speaking. If you're someone who's been focusing on
Speaker 1: your diet to improve it for your body, your mind,
Speaker 1: your relationships, your brain, then this is the episode for you. Sean.
Speaker 1: Welcome to On Purpose. Thank you for being here, and
Speaker 1: thank you for writing this book. It's such an honor
Speaker 1: to be here. You make everything sound so much better
Speaker 1: as well, you had to live it, so you know
Speaker 1: it's been amazing. But I mean, we've been messaging, we've
Speaker 1: been wanting to get together where we're finally here, and
Speaker 1: I was just saying to you offline that my physical
Speaker 1: health journey has been very interesting because I almost ignored
Speaker 1: it for a long time because I was so focused
Speaker 1: on the mind and the soul and the heart. And
Speaker 1: my wife was my educator and my coach when it
Speaker 1: came to my physical health. And so whenever I'm sitting
Speaker 1: with someone who deeply understands food and nutrition, I'm very
Speaker 1: fascinated and open book because I know there's something I
Speaker 1: can improve about my health, whether it's through my gut
Speaker 1: or my brain. But I want to start with a
Speaker 1: bit about you. And you know, when you were younger,
Speaker 1: you were diagnosed and I won't give it away, you
Speaker 1: can share about it, but you were diagnosed and told
Speaker 1: that there might not be a way of fixing or
Speaker 1: solving something. Now, I can't imagine what that feels like
Speaker 1: hearing that when you're younger, and I'm guessing at that
Speaker 1: time you didn't have the skills you have today. So
Speaker 1: can you take us back to that moment and just
Speaker 1: explain to us what you went through and how that
Speaker 1: sparked your journey. Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. So we were a
Speaker 1: product of our environment, but we're also creators of our
Speaker 1: environment once we become aware of it. And so I
Speaker 1: was just replicating what I was seeing around me, which
Speaker 1: was a lot of dysfunction, which was a lot of
Speaker 1: ill health, and I kind of was like the one
Speaker 1: in my family that had the potential to make it.
Speaker 1: And what it was was in the environment that I
Speaker 1: was in, in the inner city and being in poverty,
Speaker 1: which Evan say that kind of with the parentheses. Here
Speaker 1: in the United States, poverty is very different. You still
Speaker 1: probably have a TV A card, you know, when much
Speaker 1: of the world is living on a couple dollars a day.
Speaker 1: But you know, we were struggling to get by in
Speaker 1: this environment. All I saw was the opportunity for me
Speaker 1: to go to college, which I never met anybody that
Speaker 1: went to college, let alone graduated except my teachers. Was
Speaker 1: through athletics, and so I did really well in school,
Speaker 1: but I just saw sports was going to be my
Speaker 1: way to get a scholarship. And when I was fifteen
Speaker 1: years old, I ran a four to five forty, which
Speaker 1: is like NFL combine caliber, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: doing really great in track as well, but fate had
Speaker 1: other plans for me. It was actually at track practice
Speaker 1: when I had the first glimpse of what was to come.
Speaker 1: And so I was doing a two hundred meter time trial,
Speaker 1: which two hundred meters is half the track, and the
Speaker 1: time trials just me and my coach, and I took
Speaker 1: off and I was coming around the curve of the
Speaker 1: track into the straight away and my hip broke and
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time because I just
Speaker 1: kind of came up limping. I thought maybe I pulled
Speaker 1: a muscle. I'd never really been injured before. But it
Speaker 1: took a couple of days and when I got a
Speaker 1: scan down because I just couldn't turn my legs over.
Speaker 1: I went to see a pt and a physician and
Speaker 1: they put the scan up, the X ray and it's
Speaker 1: just my iliat crest bone was just floating off in space.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's the problem right there. And what
Speaker 1: I went through was something called standard of care. All right,
Speaker 1: standard of care, which is not really looking at what
Speaker 1: is the cause of this thing, but let's treat these symptoms, right.
Speaker 1: So I got some insid some nonsteroidal into inflammatories. I
Speaker 1: got some crutches, which was cool. I got to get
Speaker 1: out of class early and take the school elevator. But
Speaker 1: nobody stopped to ask, how did the kid break his
Speaker 1: hip from running? And fast forward. I experienced almost a
Speaker 1: dozen more injuries the next two years. I just couldn't
Speaker 1: stay on the football field or on the track, and
Speaker 1: my body was just breaking down, and so my vision
Speaker 1: of playing at the next level was just vanquished. Fortunately, academically,
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of scholarships. I got to go
Speaker 1: to school that I went to go to. I was
Speaker 1: gonna walk on and red shirt in football. But this
Speaker 1: is where I get that diagnosis. So I was twenty
Speaker 1: years old and I was diagnosed with something called degenerative
Speaker 1: disc disease and degenerative bone disease, so basically an advanced
Speaker 1: arthritic condition of my spine, and this is usually reserved
Speaker 1: for people who are much older. And so I was
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty years old. The reason that I went into
Speaker 1: the doctor was I just couldn't. I couldn't extend my leg.
Speaker 1: I was always in a lot of pain, and whenever
Speaker 1: I was stand up, I would get this like four
Speaker 1: lightning bolt shooting down my leg and it was just miserable.
Speaker 1: And if you can imagine this when you're in pain
Speaker 1: when you stand up, how about you just don't stand
Speaker 1: up right? So I was doing everything I could to
Speaker 1: avoid standing up, and so I sat a lot. I
Speaker 1: was constantly laying down or playing video games. I was
Speaker 1: in college still, and it just got progressively worse because
Speaker 1: your body really works on this use it or lose
Speaker 1: it basis. So not only was my spine deteriorating, the
Speaker 1: rest of me was atrophing as well. And so, to
Speaker 1: really put the icing on the cake of the story,
Speaker 1: when I went in and see my physician and he
Speaker 1: gave me this diagnosis. He looked me right in my
Speaker 1: eyes and he told me that this situation was incurable.
Speaker 1: Right because for me being an athlete, I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, what do we do to fix this? And
Speaker 1: he put his hand on my shoulders like I'm sorry, son,
Speaker 1: this is something that just happens, and I'm sorry it
Speaker 1: happened to you, and that on my shoulders like I'm sorry, son,
Speaker 1: this is something that just happens, and I'm sorry it
Speaker 1: happened to you. And that today I realized that goes
Speaker 1: against basic laws of physics, like there's nothing that just happens.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a cause and effect. And I didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't register to me when he first said it.
Speaker 1: It didn't. It didn't make sense. So I rejected it,
Speaker 1: and I asked him this specific question. Jay and I
Speaker 1: have no grounds for asking him this question, but I
Speaker 1: asked him, does this have anything to do with what
Speaker 1: I'm eating? Should I change the way that I'm exercising?
Speaker 1: And he looked at me like I was from another planet.
Speaker 1: He was like, this has nothing to do with what
Speaker 1: you're eating. This is something that just happens, and a
Speaker 1: little sidebar, and I didn't talk about this for many years.
Speaker 1: But you know, my physician, he was he was obese,
Speaker 1: and he was clearly struggling with his own health. Not
Speaker 1: to say that he wasn't qualified to give me advice,
Speaker 1: but he was clearly struggling himself. But I took his
Speaker 1: advice because he was the expert in him saying that
Speaker 1: this was my lot in life. What he invoked with
Speaker 1: something called a no Cbo effect, which we can come
Speaker 1: back and talk about in a moment, but the bottom
Speaker 1: line was he said that this has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with what I'm eating. But he wrote me a prescription
Speaker 1: to eat some pills. Right, This has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with what you're putting in your mouth. Go ahead and
Speaker 1: put these in your mouth. Right. And so that was
Speaker 1: the level of thinking that I was dealing with. Fast
Speaker 1: forward the story. After leaving there, I went from a
Speaker 1: nuisance of a pain to chronic, debilitating pain. Right, because
Speaker 1: now I know that I have this thing, this is
Speaker 1: my identity. I'm this sick person. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: in pain for the rest of my life. He told
Speaker 1: me that. And so for the next two years, I
Speaker 1: did as little as I possibly could, and he told me,
Speaker 1: he gave me permission. That's the big thing. People don't realize.
Speaker 1: If if you've been struggling your whole life and somebody
Speaker 1: gives you permission to stop struggling, nobody's gonna blame you.
Speaker 1: You got this bad thing that happened, just take this
Speaker 1: free pass, this hall pass, and just ride it out.
Speaker 1: It took two years, which you know, some people never
Speaker 1: get it, and some people get it a little bit faster.
Speaker 1: But it took me two years. And over these two years,
Speaker 1: eating what I called the tough diet, a typical universe
Speaker 1: the food, I was continuing the same behaviors, and I
Speaker 1: gained a bunch of weight now because not only was
Speaker 1: I eating the same things, but now I'm inactive, and
Speaker 1: so I became much fluffier, i'd lovingly say, version of myself.
Speaker 1: And I didn't recognize a person I saw in the mirror.
Speaker 1: And that was one of those breaking moments for me.
Speaker 1: It's just like I didn't even recognize who I was.
Speaker 1: And after those two years, it's usually an event or
Speaker 1: a person or something that becomes a catalyst for that change,
Speaker 1: and for me, it was my grandmother, you know, and
Speaker 1: she was always checking on me those two years. And
Speaker 1: if you're a young kid, just like I'm fine, Grandma,
Speaker 1: you know, but I wasn't fine, and she knew it.
Speaker 1: She was the one who really advocated for me. She's
Speaker 1: the one who believed in me more than anybody, that
Speaker 1: I was going to do something great. And here I
Speaker 1: was living in Ferguson, Missouri, in his one bedroom apartment,
Speaker 1: sleeping on the mattress on the floor, overweight in chronic pain,
Speaker 1: can't sleep at night, and my life didn't match up
Speaker 1: to my blueprint of what success was to look like.
Speaker 1: And so it was in that moment that I decided
Speaker 1: to get well. And most people don't really get that, Jay,
Speaker 1: It's just like it sounds so simple, right, But the
Speaker 1: reality is oftentimes we don't decide. It's more like we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. It's like wishful thinking. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish you know this would happen. But when you
Speaker 1: decide something, you really cut away the possibility that of
Speaker 1: anything else but that thing. And even the word if
Speaker 1: you break it down, day meaning from and kaider, which
Speaker 1: means to cut right. So you cut away the possibility
Speaker 1: of anything else but that thing. And I decided to
Speaker 1: get well. And so the last little part we could
Speaker 1: talk about how I did this, but it was from
Speaker 1: six weeks from that moment of decision, and I had
Speaker 1: lost about eighteen pounds, which is not typical. But I
Speaker 1: was always kind of the skinny kid in my family,
Speaker 1: so my fat gene is definitely kicked on. But you know,
Speaker 1: the weight just came off of me once I started
Speaker 1: to implore a few really foundational principles, you know, with
Speaker 1: my nutrition, with movement, and the pain I've been experiencing
Speaker 1: that had me in terror for two years was gone.
Speaker 1: And it was about nine months later when I got
Speaker 1: a scan done and I completely reversed the degeneration. My
Speaker 1: two herniated disc had retracted on their own. My bone
Speaker 1: density was normal, and it was as if the thing
Speaker 1: had never happened. So and by that experience happening to
Speaker 1: me and seeing the stories of people coming up to
Speaker 1: me at my university asking me to help them because
Speaker 1: they saw the change. You know, I didn't look like
Speaker 1: a guy who lost wait. I looked like somebody who's
Speaker 1: really healthy. And to hear their stories, like people saying
Speaker 1: telling them, you're going to live with this disease forever
Speaker 1: diabetes or heart disease, you're you're gonna be on the
Speaker 1: stat and whatever the case might be. And I had
Speaker 1: this experience where I was told this negative thing was
Speaker 1: going to be your story and to no longer have
Speaker 1: that as my story. I had this level of authority
Speaker 1: that I couldn't really put a finger on, and people
Speaker 1: were attracted to that. So my life just went from
Speaker 1: being very self centered in my pain to being other
Speaker 1: centered and being of service. And I found every way
Speaker 1: that I could to help others, and it landed me
Speaker 1: here with you. That's a beautiful man. Thank you for
Speaker 1: I know how hard it is to synthesize a life's
Speaker 1: work in a few minutes. And of course I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that everyone who's listening and watching is going to get
Speaker 1: better acquainted with you if they're not already listeners. But
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by when you made that decision? What was
Speaker 1: the first thing you did? Because I often find that,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's hard to make the decision. When
Speaker 1: you've made the decision, then the first thing you do
Speaker 1: has such a big impact on momentum and acceleration. What
Speaker 1: was the first thing you did that's so powerful? Jay
Speaker 1: because the decision is instantaneous, but what takes long is
Speaker 1: getting ourselves to the place where we make the decision right.
Speaker 1: And so the first decision that I made, which I
Speaker 1: didn't realize this consciously two years later, is I changed
Speaker 1: the habitual question that I was asking. And today I
Speaker 1: know that there's this really phenomenal process of the brain
Speaker 1: evokes called instinctual elaboration. The human brain is always trying
Speaker 1: to answer questions that we pose. It it's just automatic.
Speaker 1: Our mutual friend Jim Quick, We've talked about this many times.
Speaker 1: And the question that I was asking, was unconscious all
Speaker 1: the time, was why me? Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 1: Why won't somebody help me? And so my brain is
Speaker 1: constantly scanning my internal and external environment to affirm why me,
Speaker 1: Why I'm unhelpable, why I'm not deserving of being healthy? Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm just getting all this data in as to
Speaker 1: why my life sucks because I'm looking for it. And
Speaker 1: so in that moment of decision, and again I wasn't aware,
Speaker 1: I wasn't consciously aware of this, but I just asked
Speaker 1: this question, very simple ask. Instead of asking why, I
Speaker 1: asked what can I do to feel better because I
Speaker 1: just saw a series of other doctors, which I highly
Speaker 1: encourage people to if you get a bad bill of
Speaker 1: goods like that, get a second third opinion before taking
Speaker 1: any drastic action. Because I was just talking with Tony
Speaker 1: Robbins about this recently. But there was a big meta
Speaker 1: analysis done by the Mayo Clinic and they found that
Speaker 1: when you get that initial diagnosis, it's only the same.
Speaker 1: Less than twenty percent of the time is the second
Speaker 1: diagnosis the same as the first diagnosis, And often it's
Speaker 1: radically different, all right, So it's somewhere in the ballpark
Speaker 1: of like eighteen percent of the time it's the same.
Speaker 1: So that being said, you also want to seek counsel
Speaker 1: from somebody who's not in the same line of thinking
Speaker 1: as well. You know, somebody all ideally who has the
Speaker 1: same goal as you, Like, if you're diagnosed with this
Speaker 1: thing and you don't want to have this thing, maybe
Speaker 1: that's the person you need to go and talk to.
Speaker 1: But I was seeking counsel from the same type of thinker.
Speaker 1: I asked this question, what is it that I can
Speaker 1: do to feel better? What is it that I can do?
Speaker 1: And this was kind of an audacious thing to be
Speaker 1: healthier than I've ever been. That night was the first
Speaker 1: night that I slept through the night without medication in
Speaker 1: those two years. I just felt this peace, you know,
Speaker 1: when I woke up, and this is the thing too,
Speaker 1: It's not like again, like a unicorn came out and
Speaker 1: like the clouds parted and you know, it's happily. Ever after,
Speaker 1: I put a plan together, and that plan unentailed three
Speaker 1: specific things. The first thing was changing my nutrition. I
Speaker 1: knew just on a very rudimentary level that I needed
Speaker 1: to quote lose weight, right because I was just like, logically,
Speaker 1: if I'm having this pressure on my disk, let me
Speaker 1: take some of this pressure off by losing some of
Speaker 1: this mass. And I'm carrying. But I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: j the first thing that I did was slim fast, right,
Speaker 1: So because of marketing, like I saw the TV, that's
Speaker 1: what I was acclimated to. So it's like a shake
Speaker 1: for breakfast, a shake for lunch, a sensible dinner, right.
Speaker 1: And it was disgusting, all right, it was terrible. It
Speaker 1: only worked for a couple of days that I did it.
Speaker 1: But by me asking the questions, the right people, the
Speaker 1: right situations, the right books start to show up and
Speaker 1: oftentimes those things have been there the whole time, but
Speaker 1: I just wasn't a tune to them. And I had
Speaker 1: a friend of mine that I had known her for years,
Speaker 1: and she was in chiropractic college and we just like
Speaker 1: kicked it, you know. But and I just thought she
Speaker 1: was weird, you know, with her and her friends, you know.
Speaker 1: And she took me to wild oats, right, which has
Speaker 1: since been brought up by Whole Foods. And so now
Speaker 1: I'm in this environment where I'm seeing all these different
Speaker 1: supplements and foods and there's like grass inside. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is there grass inside? You know, a sweet grass.
Speaker 1: But there was a book there, a nutrition prescription, and
Speaker 1: it had all these peer of viewed And I was
Speaker 1: in college, so I'm versed in research, especially doing what
Speaker 1: I was doing in college. And there was peer of
Speaker 1: viewed data on regenerating her nations and degenerative disc disease.
Speaker 1: And there are all these nutrients that I had never
Speaker 1: even heard of. Like all I knew about for bone density,
Speaker 1: for example, was calcium. Because of marketing. There was like
Speaker 1: a mega threes sulfur bearing, amino acid, silica, all these
Speaker 1: other things that I wasn't getting anywhere in my drive
Speaker 1: through diet, and so I started to again. I went
Speaker 1: from slim fast to being a natural pill popper. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's just like I need these nutrients. Let me
Speaker 1: just take these supplements again missing the market's taking steps
Speaker 1: towards it, and ultimately, of course that's very expensive. But
Speaker 1: I finally realize, like, what if humans been doing the longest.
Speaker 1: We're getting these nutrients through food, not synthetic, isolated versions
Speaker 1: of those things. So I started to seek out all
Speaker 1: the foods that had these nutrients and just begin to
Speaker 1: like flood my system with these foods. So that was
Speaker 1: number one. I changed what I was eating and literally
Speaker 1: and there's a I've got to share this now, but
Speaker 1: we'll probably circle back to this as one of the
Speaker 1: most important tenants. Every single cell in our body is
Speaker 1: made from the food that we eat, every cell, and
Speaker 1: so we have the ability to make our bodies out
Speaker 1: of really low quality materials or out of the best
Speaker 1: stuff possible, you know. And so I was making my
Speaker 1: tissues out of absolute garbage. I'm not exaggerating the slightest.
Speaker 1: I fast food every day every day because again I
Speaker 1: lived in Ferguson Missouri. I was surrounded by low quality
Speaker 1: food and processed food and liquor stores, and that's all
Speaker 1: I knew, right, And it was cheap. Again, being on
Speaker 1: a college budget, that's what I could afford, which we
Speaker 1: got to talk about that the economy is a scale too.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I'm flooding my tissues with really high
Speaker 1: quality stuff now. And the body is so intelligent once
Speaker 1: you give it the right materials, it knows what to do.
Speaker 1: It's often just us getting out of the way. And
Speaker 1: so that was one number two. The low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: for me that I had some education on was movement
Speaker 1: and exercise and being in pain. The worst thing to
Speaker 1: do is to do nothing. There is a time when
Speaker 1: you know you have a state of inflammation, like if
Speaker 1: I have these two hernated disks, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go in deadlift, you know, three fifteen. That's not a
Speaker 1: good idea. But after a couple of days and I'm functional,
Speaker 1: I need to do something because the body movement is
Speaker 1: one of the primary drivers of healing, of assimilation of nutrients,
Speaker 1: of elimination of metabolic waste products. All these different things
Speaker 1: require movement, right, Life is movement, and so I just
Speaker 1: went to the gym at the university gym. Just did
Speaker 1: what I can, which was I started off on a
Speaker 1: stationary bike. A week later, I started doing a little
Speaker 1: bit walking on the treadmill. A week later I picked
Speaker 1: up a couple of weights, and all of that was
Speaker 1: driving the good nutrition I was bringing in deeper into
Speaker 1: my cells. Right. And the third thing was my biggest
Speaker 1: struggle that two years was sleeping at night. And I
Speaker 1: was just like, I gotta find a way to get
Speaker 1: some rest because I was chronically tired, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have to try to do that. One A principle from
Speaker 1: my first book, Sleep Morner, is that a great night
Speaker 1: of sleep starts the moment you wake up in the morning. Right.
Speaker 1: So all these good things I was doing, exercising, changing
Speaker 1: my nutrition and getting access to sunlight, all these really
Speaker 1: simple things led to me sleeping better in the evening.
Speaker 1: And once I started sleeping, I got better so fast.
Speaker 1: Because it is the most anabolic stage that a human
Speaker 1: being can be in outside of meditation. Everything else is
Speaker 1: really catabolic. If you're up and active, you're catabolic. And
Speaker 1: so this is where your body's producing all these regenerative
Speaker 1: hormones and HGH and reparative enzymes, you know, once my
Speaker 1: sleep improved, and my movement practice. But of course the
Speaker 1: biggest thing was my mind, you know, my change and
Speaker 1: perception of all these things. But that's really what the
Speaker 1: first domino was, was changing the question and the right
Speaker 1: stuff that was already there. I can now see. I
Speaker 1: love how you've simplified it into the diet and nutrition,
Speaker 1: the sleep, and then of course the movement aspect, which
Speaker 1: you know, the three key tenants and then grouped by
Speaker 1: the mindset and the approach. I want to dive into
Speaker 1: some of those amazing insights that you share in this book,
Speaker 1: because I think, as you rightly said, our understanding of food, nutrients, vitamins,
Speaker 1: supplements has been so rudimentary for so long, and even today,
Speaker 1: I think, as you rightly said, there's so much being
Speaker 1: marketed at us that you kind of follow the latest
Speaker 1: trend or the latest diet or the latest fad, only
Speaker 1: to find that it's not sustainable or that it doesn't
Speaker 1: really cure how you're feeling. And I think we've started
Speaker 1: to realize that food can change how you feel. And
Speaker 1: I don't think we thought about it. We thought food
Speaker 1: is energy and you just keep putting it and I
Speaker 1: love the idea of how we're building ourselves through bad
Speaker 1: materials or good materials. Why is it important, as you
Speaker 1: talk about in the book, to use power of food
Speaker 1: to reboot your metabolism? What are the benefits of rebooting
Speaker 1: your metabolism? And what are methods through diet and nutrition
Speaker 1: that boost our metabolism? For everyone listening, it should always
Speaker 1: be what is the thing? Right, So when we hear
Speaker 1: these terms like metabolism, we often have a certain association
Speaker 1: with it, that's my point. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: usually going to be tied to weight loss, and it's
Speaker 1: a huge mistake because metabolism is really every thing. There's
Speaker 1: a whole field of immunometabolism. You know, your immune system
Speaker 1: has its own metabolism, where it's building new immune cells,
Speaker 1: where it's functioning at a certain level, where there's cellular
Speaker 1: waste products, and the list goes on and on. All
Speaker 1: these things are metabolism. So life itself is driven by metabolism.
Speaker 1: But this is a huge mistake, even in the weight
Speaker 1: loss domain, when we're just thinking about food and nutrition
Speaker 1: and diet in terms of changing our metabolism. And this
Speaker 1: is why with the book, I gave people what they want,
Speaker 1: which again that's the on ramp, right, But food controls
Speaker 1: so much more than just our metabolism. It also controls
Speaker 1: our cognitive function. Our emotional intelligence is highly influenced by
Speaker 1: our nutrition. That's one of the main things I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk with you about as well. And also it
Speaker 1: affects our relationships and how we relate to other people.
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. Food isn't just food,
Speaker 1: it's information, you know. And so as far as the
Speaker 1: metabolism side is concerned, what I wanted to do was
Speaker 1: break down how the process of metabolism actually works. How
Speaker 1: does weight loss work right? How does fat loss work?
Speaker 1: Where does fat go? Like when I quote lose weight,
Speaker 1: where the hell's the weight go? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I'm taking people through that process and I use
Speaker 1: analogies to make it make sense. Because one of the
Speaker 1: things I learned from Tony was one of the fastest
Speaker 1: ways of learning, which I was doing this but I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it. It takes something that you don't know
Speaker 1: and connected to something that you do know, right, And
Speaker 1: so I use this analogy of going to the movies
Speaker 1: and using it as a cellular movie theater and how
Speaker 1: the process of fat loss actually works. And so we've
Speaker 1: got these key ushers that are making things happen. You know,
Speaker 1: you come into the movie theater and you've got these
Speaker 1: specific enzymes. So we've got hormone sensitive light paise for example,
Speaker 1: and hormone sensitive light paise is the enzyme required to
Speaker 1: actually open up your cell so that it releases stored energy.
Speaker 1: You know, try to list arise stored fat to be
Speaker 1: used for fuel. Nothing's happening without this usher, all right,
Speaker 1: So that's required. Then we've got another usher who's putting
Speaker 1: fat in the seats right, lightboprotein lightpase right, and so
Speaker 1: but then we've got the managers of the ushers, which
Speaker 1: are insulin and glucagon. Which there's so much more, but
Speaker 1: I'm just giving a little snapshot. This is great. I
Speaker 1: love this analogy. It's a brilliant analogy. So it's making
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm the dummy in the room, is Yeah. So insulin
Speaker 1: and glucagon they're actually brothers, right, So they're both from
Speaker 1: their loving mother, miss Pancreas. All right, So insulin is
Speaker 1: really about management and always looking for the worst possible scenario, right,
Speaker 1: So they're all about saving up for a rainy day,
Speaker 1: gets storing as much as possible so we're all safe
Speaker 1: and we're all good. Glucagon is more of a free thinker,
Speaker 1: more of a you know, go with the flow type
Speaker 1: of vibe, and it's cool with letting go of some
Speaker 1: of this store and energy, and so glucagon to make
Speaker 1: a summation of the So insulin is the biggest hormonal
Speaker 1: driver of us storing fat in our cells or storing
Speaker 1: energy in our cells. When people hear the word insulin,
Speaker 1: we often think about diabetes, right because a lack type
Speaker 1: one diabetes is a lack of producing insulin. The mother
Speaker 1: pancrea is the beta cells are not producing insulin, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely horrendous. This means your cells can't get energy
Speaker 1: and you'll literally just wither away. It's a terrible way
Speaker 1: to die. Type two diabetes, which is most prevalent here
Speaker 1: the United States. Right now in the United States, about
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million citizens here in the US
Speaker 1: have type two diabetes or pre diabetes. It's insane. But
Speaker 1: this is not a condition where you're no longer producing insulin.
Speaker 1: This is a condition where your insulin sensitivity, the ability
Speaker 1: of that cell to get the signal has been tampered down,
Speaker 1: right because insulin has been so abundant, because the blood
Speaker 1: sugar has been so abundant, right, And so it's but
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and it's a really beautiful thing that
Speaker 1: even a condition like that, it's the body adapting to
Speaker 1: keep you alive. So type two diabetes and we get
Speaker 1: this label that you have this chronic disease and you're
Speaker 1: no good or you know, you're tainted or you're broken,
Speaker 1: it's actually this really intelligent adaptation by the human body
Speaker 1: because it's adapting the way that your metabolism works under
Speaker 1: unideal circumstances. Right. So it's beautiful, it's amazing. The problem, however,
Speaker 1: is that we've been led to believe that that is
Speaker 1: the end story, that your body is stupid and it
Speaker 1: can't shift and create another expression. And so now it's
Speaker 1: common knowledge back in the day. I've been in this
Speaker 1: field almost twenty years. I'm about to hit my twenty
Speaker 1: year anniversary, and we couldn't publicly say even another friend
Speaker 1: Mark Hyman, like, you've got to be very careful saying
Speaker 1: cure diabetes. Right today, it's common knowledge that you can
Speaker 1: reverse this condition. So we've got insulin driving people into
Speaker 1: the seats, right, keeping the theater full, and we got
Speaker 1: gluca open up the doors to allow people to go
Speaker 1: out and kick it at an afterparty. Right. So these
Speaker 1: are two big hormonal drivers of metabolism. We've got some
Speaker 1: enzymatic ones I hit a little bit, but then we've
Speaker 1: got the internal cashier as well, which is your liver
Speaker 1: in many ways, so people don't think about these things,
Speaker 1: and this beautiful dance has taken place, like we just
Speaker 1: want to get that fat off, right, and oftentimes we
Speaker 1: associate that with like really working hard, right, restricting, cutting
Speaker 1: things away. You can't have deprivation, right, all those things.
Speaker 1: Those terms don't feel good, right, It's very against human nature.
Speaker 1: And on the other side, you have to abuse yourself.
Speaker 1: You have to exercise your face off, you've got to
Speaker 1: just you know this tenant that I was taught in
Speaker 1: my universe. I paid for this education Jay at a
Speaker 1: private at a private university. The first day of school
Speaker 1: in this big auditorium nutritional science class, the teacher told
Speaker 1: us that if you want to manage your metabolism, if
Speaker 1: you want to manage your body weight, just manage your calories.
Speaker 1: That's all you have to do is control the calories. Right,
Speaker 1: he was overweighted as well, by the way, all right,
Speaker 1: and now again it's not that he's trying to be
Speaker 1: in a fais. This is what he learned. And at
Speaker 1: the time, we were in the food pyramid, all right.
Speaker 1: So this is when I went to school back in
Speaker 1: this was ninety seven. It's changed a little bit, like
Speaker 1: we went from like the food pyramid to my plate,
Speaker 1: but still really the same principles. But to say that
Speaker 1: calories control everything about you or your metabolism or your
Speaker 1: ability to lose weight is very myopic. It's tunnel vision
Speaker 1: and people don't really realize. And that's what I spent
Speaker 1: the nice segment of the book really diving into the
Speaker 1: beautiful history behind calories and like, how is that a
Speaker 1: thing that people plant this flag? And I know this.
Speaker 1: I was one of them, right, being a nutritional scientist
Speaker 1: and also somebody who's working as a strength and conditioning
Speaker 1: coach at the university. I was just replicating and regurgitating
Speaker 1: what I was taught, and it worked for some people
Speaker 1: not for others. And so what I did was I
Speaker 1: brought to bear this new term. It's called epichloric right. So,
Speaker 1: and this was a pivot from my friend Bruce Lipton,
Speaker 1: doctor Bruce Lipton. I don't know if you've talked to
Speaker 1: him before, the biology of belief, right, So epigenetics, right,
Speaker 1: So this is he's the person more than anybody's pushing
Speaker 1: into popular culture. That means above genetic control, right, but
Speaker 1: epichloric control, it's above caloric control. There are certain principles
Speaker 1: that control your what your body does with the calories
Speaker 1: you consume. And this would be so logical if we
Speaker 1: think about it. And so just a couple of those.
Speaker 1: One of those is the quality of food itself. All right,
Speaker 1: So we hear this that not all calories are created equal,
Speaker 1: but we have really sound science on this. Now I
Speaker 1: share one of the studies in the book, and again
Speaker 1: this was a peer reviewed study, And what they did
Speaker 1: was they took test subjects and they wanted to see
Speaker 1: what would happen with their metabolism when they eat a
Speaker 1: meal of processed foods versus a meal of whole foods. Right,
Speaker 1: and so the process food they're both sandwiches, by the way,
Speaker 1: all right, So it's not like superglorified process versus. But
Speaker 1: the whole food sandwich was whole grain bread and cheddar cheese.
Speaker 1: The processed food sandwich was white bread and cheese product.
Speaker 1: And cheese product is what most people are eating. That's
Speaker 1: like craft. They can't legally call it cheese. It's called
Speaker 1: Kraft singles. There's not enough cheese and the cheese, you know,
Speaker 1: which is really messed up. Wow. Yeah. And so they
Speaker 1: consume each of these sandwiches and they track their caloric expenditure. Right. So,
Speaker 1: and this is something to get to just the end
Speaker 1: part of like where does the weight go? We breathe.
Speaker 1: Most of the weight that we lose out, we expel
Speaker 1: it through our lungs. Our lungs are on also excretion
Speaker 1: organ as well. We don't really think about that, but
Speaker 1: they are. And so anyways, so they're tracking the outgo
Speaker 1: of energy after eating these two sandwiches. And what they
Speaker 1: found was that people eating when they eat the processed
Speaker 1: food sandwich, there's a fifty percent reduction in their body's
Speaker 1: expenditure of calories. Something happened by eating that food that
Speaker 1: made their body hold onto more of the energy they
Speaker 1: just consumed. And what it really was a hormonal clog.
Speaker 1: To put it in a simple term, it changed the
Speaker 1: hormonal cascade, neurotransmitter cascade organ function in a way that
Speaker 1: made the body more stingy and holding onto this very
Speaker 1: abnormal energy that was coming in. And so again, fifty
Speaker 1: percent reduction is massive. And how often are people trying
Speaker 1: to lose weight counting calories but eating processed foods, counting
Speaker 1: the point system and all these things which can be wonderful,
Speaker 1: but we have to address the food quality. So this
Speaker 1: was publishing food and nutrition research. By the way, if yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, I'm so glad you shared that with me,
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's easy to be like this is healthy food,
Speaker 1: this is unhealthy food. But it's even deeper than that.
Speaker 1: And I think the gold standard, which I think you set,
Speaker 1: which I really identify with, is I just know I
Speaker 1: want to be healthier. Like what I've been saying is
Speaker 1: I want to be healthier. I want to be more
Speaker 1: informed because if something happens to me, I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be something that I can and will continue
Speaker 1: to want it to because I want to be as
Speaker 1: healthy as I can continue to do my service in
Speaker 1: the world. Likes that's where my past, my intention goes.
Speaker 1: I know, one of the things that people are struggling
Speaker 1: with a lot right now is inflammation. Right, And you
Speaker 1: talk about the microbiome in the book as well in
Speaker 1: the Connection, But walk me through where inflammation is created
Speaker 1: from and how it connects to the microbiome in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the term again, what is it? Yeah, inflammation? The term
Speaker 1: itself is derived from the word essentially meaning to set
Speaker 1: on fire. Right, So there's this fire taking place in
Speaker 1: the human body. And just to lean and connect inflammation
Speaker 1: to metabolism, let's do that. One of the studies that
Speaker 1: I referred to as well was looking at and this
Speaker 1: was published in the Annals of the New York Academy
Speaker 1: of Sciences, and they were looking at what was happening
Speaker 1: with inflammation in the brain leading to accelerated weight gain.
Speaker 1: Right now, this is another thing when people are trying
Speaker 1: to lose weight, nobody's telling them, we need to deal
Speaker 1: with the inflammation in your brain. And so what the
Speaker 1: researchers uncovered was that essentially inflammation in the brain was
Speaker 1: leading to more belly fhat accumulation and more disruption to
Speaker 1: their metabolism. But the key was more belly fat accumulation
Speaker 1: and obesity. Once people were venturing into obesity, it was
Speaker 1: leading to more brain inflammation. So this becomes this vicious circle, right,
Speaker 1: and again we're not looking at we need to address
Speaker 1: the inflammation in your brain. Why is this happening when
Speaker 1: your brain is controlling your body far more than anything else,
Speaker 1: and there's an internal thermostat that's even controlling your metabolic rate,
Speaker 1: which is based in your hypothalamus, which kind of considered
Speaker 1: the master gland of the body. And the hypothalamus not
Speaker 1: only is kind of like a thermostat for your metabolism,
Speaker 1: but also it's a thermostat for your body temperature, for
Speaker 1: your sleep cycles, and the list goes on. It's like
Speaker 1: a circadian controller, right, Circadian medicine is popping right out too,
Speaker 1: and so paying attention and so specifically the researchers were
Speaker 1: denoting hypothalamic inflammation leading to all these problems. So what's
Speaker 1: causing that brain inflammation. Obesity in and of itself is
Speaker 1: increasing the rate of inflammation. So right now in the
Speaker 1: United States, we're knocking on the door of two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million of our citizens being overweight or obese. Right,
Speaker 1: it's beyond epidemic. It's it's insane, rest assured. If we're
Speaker 1: venturing into obesity, your brain is suffering because of it.
Speaker 1: And I also noted in another study where we're seeing
Speaker 1: this correlation. I talked to Daniel Aman who wrote that,
Speaker 1: you know, keep it on the podcast twice. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love him so much, but he's accumulated so much data.
Speaker 1: But there's also some period studies as well, looking at
Speaker 1: once our waist size is increasing is correlated with a
Speaker 1: decrease in our brain size. So as our wat circumference
Speaker 1: goes up, our brain size goes down the volume of
Speaker 1: our brain, which is not good at all. And so
Speaker 1: there's this huge connection with these two. But also what's
Speaker 1: driving this inflammation is the foods that we're eating obviously
Speaker 1: as well an obesity self. Just to give a little snapshot, like,
Speaker 1: how's that work? How's obesity creating more information? Our fat
Speaker 1: cells are pretty they're pretty damn amazing. If without our
Speaker 1: fat cells being as intelligent as they are, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have made it as humanity. It enabled us to go
Speaker 1: through times of famine and still survive. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: We live in a very different time now where more
Speaker 1: people are dying from excess than from deprivation, right, and
Speaker 1: so during this time of excess, our fat cells can
Speaker 1: actually grow. When thousand times their size rights it gets crazy.
Speaker 1: They're like, Wow, I don't want to disrespect them by
Speaker 1: calling little trash cans, but they're kind of like these
Speaker 1: internal trash cans that can keep collecting. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: these halfty, halfty cent sacks, like really good trash bags
Speaker 1: that are filling up. And as that happens, it's sending
Speaker 1: out a distress signal because the fat cells were never
Speaker 1: made to contain that much stored energy, and so it's
Speaker 1: sending out a kind of a false distress signal to
Speaker 1: your immune system thinking that you're infected. You know, your
Speaker 1: fat cells are chronically infected. This is why we see
Speaker 1: epidemic levels of inflammation measured by things like C reactive
Speaker 1: protein and folks as we venture into obesity. So the
Speaker 1: fat cells themselves are a big contributor to inflammation. But
Speaker 1: to lean into food a little bit one of the
Speaker 1: biggest culprits as being highlighted today. And there's with any
Speaker 1: of the stuff I talk about, Jay, there's always conflicting
Speaker 1: it from that and the average person doesn't though, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like this is the end all be all.
Speaker 1: What I do is, I'm a research scientist. Primarily, I'll
Speaker 1: go and proactively look for things that rebuke what I believe,
Speaker 1: that prove what I'm saying other otherwise or other than.
Speaker 1: And you have it takes a lot of courage to
Speaker 1: go and look for things to prove you wrong. But
Speaker 1: what I'll do is I'll look at the variety of
Speaker 1: information and what is the majority of data that we
Speaker 1: have say that's a better place for us to stand
Speaker 1: on and educate from right. But one of the biggest culprits,
Speaker 1: and this is what the majority of data says is
Speaker 1: these highly refined mind oxidized seed oils that have become
Speaker 1: so prevalent in our food system. And again, I get
Speaker 1: to work with the best people in the world in
Speaker 1: these subjects, like doctor Kate Shanahan. It's really a pioneering
Speaker 1: voice in this field. And she's you know, she worked
Speaker 1: with the Lakers and help with Kobe Bryant, got him
Speaker 1: all these protocols, extending his career, all these great things,
Speaker 1: and so she has that fame and credibility there. But
Speaker 1: she's also a brilliant scientist and somebody who's very versed
Speaker 1: in metabolism. But one of the things that she shared
Speaker 1: with me was that this particular study, which was crazy,
Speaker 1: they looked at the biopsies, right, so you can actually
Speaker 1: go and look inside of what a fat cell contains
Speaker 1: back in the earlier part of the nineteen hundreds and
Speaker 1: saw what is the makeup of the average person's fat cell.
Speaker 1: And about two percent of our fat cells back then
Speaker 1: were made of these polyunsaturated fatty acids or poofaus. Right today,
Speaker 1: the amount of polyunsaturated fatty acids that make up the
Speaker 1: average person's fat cell is up to twenty five or
Speaker 1: even thirty percent. Went from two percent to twenty so
Speaker 1: literally the ingredients that make us as a species has
Speaker 1: changed dramatically. And what is it about these particular facts,
Speaker 1: Like how is so much of it making up the
Speaker 1: ingredients that make us up? And it's because they're in everything.
Speaker 1: They're very cheap, they're rancid oxidized oil, they have no
Speaker 1: choice but to be those things like getting the oil
Speaker 1: from corn, Like there's so little and if people saw
Speaker 1: the process, which I highly encourage people to do, there's
Speaker 1: lots of videos you could see the processing of canola
Speaker 1: oil or quote vegetable oil. I remember when my mom
Speaker 1: started using vegetable oil trying to get healthy because my family, again,
Speaker 1: I was the skinny kid in the family. Everybody pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody else in my family at least about eighty
Speaker 1: percent of folks world beats, and so she started using
Speaker 1: vegetable oil. Sounds healthy, but it's not asparagus oil or
Speaker 1: broccoli oil. These are highly refined seed oils, corn oil,
Speaker 1: soy oil, canola oil. And to extract those oils there,
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like just mud. It just looks disgusting.
Speaker 1: It looks like this um like kind of like almost
Speaker 1: like gasoline type vibe to it. And it has to
Speaker 1: use bleaching agents and deodorizers. And I cited a study
Speaker 1: in my book, and this was publishing the journal Inhalation Toxicology,
Speaker 1: and they found that just smelling those oils while cooking
Speaker 1: can damage your DNA. Crazy stuff smell, just inhaling the
Speaker 1: fumes from it let alone actually pretty head. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so it's crazy. It's so crazy. And so for me,
Speaker 1: it's just looking like this specific component your body has
Speaker 1: to go into this kind of pro inflammatory state to
Speaker 1: try to manage any insult. Inflammation is one of the
Speaker 1: most important things for our survival. It's kind of been
Speaker 1: given a bad name right now because we're dealing with
Speaker 1: chronic inflammation, but we need inflammation in order to to
Speaker 1: just heal for stuff you don't even know what's going on.
Speaker 1: There are cells right now in your body that are
Speaker 1: dying off and recycling. There's always an inflammatory component catabolic component,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. But once we venture into chronic inflamation,
Speaker 1: where these things are getting out of hand, that's where
Speaker 1: we start to see all manner of things go wrong. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what I've I find it so
Speaker 1: useful to be having this conversation with you because, and
Speaker 1: I hope everyone who's listening and watching, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: ask the questions that I think we skip. What does
Speaker 1: this actually mean? How does it actually affect us? Because
Speaker 1: right now we hear all these buzzwords and we look
Speaker 1: for the quick fix, or I have go inflammation, or
Speaker 1: I do this to you know, alcoholize it, I've got this,
Speaker 1: do this, it's like, and we're always looking at that
Speaker 1: quick fix, that quick when the quick solve, and actually,
Speaker 1: when I'm sitting here listening to you, I'm going, wow,
Speaker 1: there is just of course, naturally there's so much more
Speaker 1: to it, but we have to be so much more
Speaker 1: alert and vigilant, which is where we struggle because it's
Speaker 1: almost like there is no veniance now because there's all
Speaker 1: this information. Like you said, there's conflicting information. So if
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this show right now and I want
Speaker 1: to create more energy in my life, I want to
Speaker 1: create more vibrancy in how I feel. What are some
Speaker 1: of the things that were likely missing or that we're
Speaker 1: likely struggling with in our diet or nutritionally that we
Speaker 1: could add to help start that process of at least
Speaker 1: feeling a bit more positive, like we have a bit
Speaker 1: more control. We could stay right in the same lane
Speaker 1: and just swap out the oils that we're using with
Speaker 1: some intention. Researchers at Auburn found that olive oil OIO
Speaker 1: canthal rich extra virgin olive oil is one of the
Speaker 1: few things that's been found to be highly effective at
Speaker 1: reducing information of the brain right and also being able
Speaker 1: to help to heal the blood brain barrier. So what
Speaker 1: does this mean? The blood brain barrier is kind of
Speaker 1: like Matiokaku's kind of like a modern day Einstein, right.
Speaker 1: He was like, the human brain is the most complicated
Speaker 1: object in the known universe. That's big for him to
Speaker 1: say something like that. That's really remarkable. The human brain
Speaker 1: is the most complicated object in the known universe, right,
Speaker 1: And the cool thing is we all have one. We're
Speaker 1: never very good at using it, but we all have
Speaker 1: this really miraculous organ and your body is very protective
Speaker 1: of it because again, it's controlling everything about She's controlling
Speaker 1: your metabolism. For example. It's the only major organ is
Speaker 1: fully encased in hard in hard bone, right, So it's
Speaker 1: we've got this built in helmet to try to protect it.
Speaker 1: We've got the blood brain barrier, because everything that we eat.
Speaker 1: The last place to actually allow nutrient sane, it's going
Speaker 1: to be your brain, right, because it has a blood
Speaker 1: brain Barrier's kind of like an internal security system, or
Speaker 1: I like to think about it like a toll boot. Right,
Speaker 1: So certain certain nutrients get express pass. Right, if anybody
Speaker 1: ever has lived where they have tolls, and you get
Speaker 1: an express pass that can go right into the brain.
Speaker 1: Most other things they're going to meet the toll booth
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be able to get through
Speaker 1: because the guard there's like you know, Dwayne the Rock Johnson,
Speaker 1: it's like clones of him and Vin Diesel or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's just like highly unlikely that you can get
Speaker 1: into the brain. It's very it's like an exclusive club.
Speaker 1: It's very exclusive. And so to make it into the brain,
Speaker 1: only specific things are able to do that. One of
Speaker 1: the big issues today leading to more information is the degradation.
Speaker 1: We're breaking down our own blood brain barrier, this internal
Speaker 1: security system by eating all these abnormal foods. The blood
Speaker 1: brain barrier, a big aspect of its regulation is through
Speaker 1: the fast that we consume, right and so again eating
Speaker 1: these really low quality oils and making ourselves out of
Speaker 1: these things, we're degrading how our body functions. And so
Speaker 1: what the researchers found again was that extra virgin oleocanthal
Speaker 1: rich olive oil is one of those foods that's really
Speaker 1: healing and anti inflammatory and also can help to heal
Speaker 1: the blood brain barrier. That's crazy because for me, again,
Speaker 1: like I don't have a dog in the fight. I
Speaker 1: don't care if olive oil is cool or not. I
Speaker 1: it's I don't care. It's so miraculous. But then you
Speaker 1: just look at what if humans been doing the longest,
Speaker 1: and how do you make olive oil? You crush olives.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's not like the process that these other oils,
Speaker 1: these seed oils have to go through again with the
Speaker 1: deodor risers and the bleaching agents and the high heat.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, extra virgin olive oil that
Speaker 1: means that it's not heat processed all right, So it's
Speaker 1: even paying attention to the very volatile nature of those
Speaker 1: fats and it's stored in dark glass bottles because it's
Speaker 1: even photosensitive. It's light sensitive, can break down and degrade
Speaker 1: those oils, right. So and humans, we have documentation for
Speaker 1: thousands of years have been consuming olive oil, right, And
Speaker 1: so that's one of the great principles to lean back into,
Speaker 1: which is like, what if human's been doing the longest,
Speaker 1: let's do that, you know what got us here, because
Speaker 1: what we're doing now is not working. Right, So that's
Speaker 1: one of the great foods that can help to reduce inflammation.
Speaker 1: So swapping out those oils being intentional about it, the
Speaker 1: best way to consume these oils is going to be
Speaker 1: through like finishing dishes, like adding some olive oil on
Speaker 1: top or using it to make solids. Cooking with it,
Speaker 1: you can moderate heat is okay, But for cooking we
Speaker 1: need things that have more saturation, that are more stable
Speaker 1: so they're not giving off all of these these kind
Speaker 1: of pro inflammatory oxidative compounds. Right, So that would be
Speaker 1: like coconut oil or gee or grass fed butter Avocado
Speaker 1: oil is also rising in popularity now as well. But
Speaker 1: just to throw a couple more for reducing information, the
Speaker 1: cruciferous family of vegetables have been found to reduce information
Speaker 1: specifically in the brain. Broccoli. You know again, I put
Speaker 1: peer of viewed data to show that this food that's
Speaker 1: just like super common can help to reduce brain information. Right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can go on and on, but those
Speaker 1: are things. No, No, this is fantastic. And I want
Speaker 1: everyone who's listening and watching to know that all these reviews,
Speaker 1: the research is in the book Eat Smarter, which is
Speaker 1: what Sean's referencing. If you are listening and you don't
Speaker 1: see me holding the cover and holding the book, you
Speaker 1: can order it right now. And I deeply recommend that
Speaker 1: because the level of detail of insight that Sean has
Speaker 1: is so powerful it should not be underestimated. This isn't
Speaker 1: a new diet book or a fad book on like,
Speaker 1: you know, here's what you need to do, three things
Speaker 1: you need to do tomorrow. It's not like that. There
Speaker 1: is like deep research, reflection, introspection that Sean's done and
Speaker 1: study he's done, and so you know, I'm going in
Speaker 1: and allowing him to share depth on certain parts. But
Speaker 1: the book is full of these insights. Shan. I want
Speaker 1: to talk a bit about stress and the brain and
Speaker 1: then diet because you also talk about the impact of
Speaker 1: food on the brain. Brain on food, but also our
Speaker 1: emotional states. We all know what emotional eating is. We've
Speaker 1: all picked up a tub of ice cream or picked
Speaker 1: up sugars when we're lowing energy or you know, we've
Speaker 1: been there. We may even get drawn in that direction
Speaker 1: still today. One thing I find intriguing that I'd love
Speaker 1: to learn from you is how much is stress in
Speaker 1: the brain causing some of these challenges within the body,
Speaker 1: And can food be used to work backwards almost or
Speaker 1: distress need to be dealt with in different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a great question. Again, what is stress? We
Speaker 1: have to look at that, and we tend to put
Speaker 1: stress in this one box. Cognitively, most times people associated
Speaker 1: with like life, stress work, stress work is stressing me out,
Speaker 1: our relationship is stressing me out. But those are just
Speaker 1: a couple of factors that go into your overall stress
Speaker 1: load as a human being. So all of these inputs
Speaker 1: are stressors. And for example, exercise is a stressor, and
Speaker 1: it's known as a hermitic stressor, which that means that
Speaker 1: if you're able to recover from said exercise, you get benefit,
Speaker 1: right kind of like what doesn't kill me makes me
Speaker 1: stronger principle. Right. But if you put on intense exercise
Speaker 1: on top of relationship stress, work, stress, spiritual stress, right,
Speaker 1: feeling not on purpose or cut adrift or disconnected, you
Speaker 1: add that onto diet stress, the stress coming from the
Speaker 1: abnormal food you may be consuming. The environmental stress right
Speaker 1: right now, this is dope, Like we can record, We
Speaker 1: got all this technology, but all of these energies are
Speaker 1: just running in and out of ourselves at paces and
Speaker 1: degrees that we just don't it then yet, right, So
Speaker 1: we're all intermingling with these energies that we've never been
Speaker 1: exposed to again as humans. So the environment itself is
Speaker 1: going to be adding an additional stress. Gravity. Gravity's trying
Speaker 1: to kill you, like you literally is trying to weigh
Speaker 1: us down, you know in a sense if you want
Speaker 1: to look at it like that. But we are resilient.
Speaker 1: We've adapted to it, you know. But the John Carter,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about that. That that book,
Speaker 1: and that's that movie Disney. It didn't do very well,
Speaker 1: but I think it's on Disney plus John Carter. So
Speaker 1: this guy teleports accidentally, like from Civil War Vibes to
Speaker 1: being on Mars. And on Mars, he's like superhuman because
Speaker 1: gravity is different, so he's like jumping around, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's really cool to think about. Gravity has
Speaker 1: conditioned us in a certain way, and we were resilient
Speaker 1: against it. So environmental stress goes on there, and I
Speaker 1: can go on and on. All of these stress inputs
Speaker 1: create your overall stress load as a human being. Now,
Speaker 1: the issue is that, man, I've had to coortunity to
Speaker 1: work with so many people in a one on one context,
Speaker 1: but you know, groups and the books and all the stuff.
Speaker 1: But the most overlooked thing that I've seen when people
Speaker 1: are wanting to, you know, get off of their blood
Speaker 1: press pressure medication that the centepreals or the statins or
Speaker 1: you know, metform it for diabetes or their antidepressants, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be. The nutrition and the exercise can only
Speaker 1: go so far. The number one thing that I've seen
Speaker 1: that people overlook is the impact of stress. Because you
Speaker 1: can over eat your way into disease, you can undermove
Speaker 1: your way into disease. You can undersleep your way into
Speaker 1: these disease. You can also overstress your way into disease.
Speaker 1: The problem is that stress is invisible, you know, in
Speaker 1: a sense, like exercise, we know what that is, like,
Speaker 1: it's physical, we're interacting with it. Food is like you're
Speaker 1: putting stuff in like it's it's it's visceral, it's something
Speaker 1: you could touch. Because stress doesn't have that aspect, we
Speaker 1: negate it. But truly, and just to kind of loop
Speaker 1: back to the story with that physician and then bolt wow.
Speaker 1: So everybody's heard at this point of the placebo effect,
Speaker 1: you know, to some degree, I was going to come
Speaker 1: back to this. I'm glad you've gone and this it's amazing, right,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So just on average, if we look at
Speaker 1: the breadth of pre viewed data that we have on average,
Speaker 1: placebos are about thirty percent effective in clinical trials. So
Speaker 1: fake drugs, sham surgeries, fake treatments are about thirty percent
Speaker 1: effective on average. Studies much higher, like eighty percent effective
Speaker 1: in some studies on antidepressants. People are not actually getting
Speaker 1: something that has a real treatment. They just believe that
Speaker 1: they're taking the drug. Now, this is very important. It
Speaker 1: has to becoming No, it doesn't. He doesn't have to.
Speaker 1: But in these trials are coming from an authority figure. Right.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I talk about
Speaker 1: in the book is the impact that your thoughts have
Speaker 1: on your body's metabolism. Right. So this was done by
Speaker 1: doctor Alia Crumb and her team at Stanford at the time,
Speaker 1: and it was the Milkshake Study. And so they blended
Speaker 1: up these milkshakes and they labeled them different different amounts
Speaker 1: of calories even though they were all the same. So
Speaker 1: some of them were the indulgent milkshakes they labeled like
Speaker 1: seven hundred calories, some were you the smart shakes, where
Speaker 1: they labeled they like two hundred calories, but all of
Speaker 1: them were really like four hundred and fifty calories or
Speaker 1: something like that. And so what they found was that
Speaker 1: people who believed they were having the indulgent milkshake, they
Speaker 1: had a much greater secretion or suppression of grillan, the
Speaker 1: hunger hormone. Right, so they're more satiated because they believe
Speaker 1: they're consuming something it has a lot more caloric energy.
Speaker 1: And on the other side, the people who thought they
Speaker 1: were eating the sense of Shake, the sensible milkshake, their
Speaker 1: grillan levels didn't budge at all, which means they're going
Speaker 1: to be hungry again very soon after having that milkshake. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's the power of the mind to literally manipulate
Speaker 1: your metabolit just in that one snapshot. And I've got
Speaker 1: so much more data, right, so your thoughts determine what's
Speaker 1: happening with your metabolism. So going back to the placebo effect,
Speaker 1: so placebo's being again, we've got data. A great book
Speaker 1: is Mind over Medicine doctor Lissa Rankin. So many studies
Speaker 1: in there, but we've got data on placebo's being effective
Speaker 1: and cancer treatments in surgeries for knees like MCL repair
Speaker 1: like we've got there's there's so many crazy studies where
Speaker 1: you know they'll because now you could even watch your
Speaker 1: surgery where there's somebody will be watching their own surgery,
Speaker 1: but what they're doing is they're playing a different video, right,
Speaker 1: So they'll cut the person's knee open and just seal
Speaker 1: it back up without doing any actual you know, a
Speaker 1: therapeutic change, and their knee problem will heal right, oftentimes
Speaker 1: better than the people who had the actual surgery, you know,
Speaker 1: the surgical change and intervention. So I know this sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: and these are things for me. I'm a very analytical,
Speaker 1: logical person, so I wouldn't believe it unless I saw
Speaker 1: the data myself. So that's the power of the human mind,
Speaker 1: just a snapshot. Now here's the other thing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to call them evil, but there's a there's an
Speaker 1: evil twin to the placebo effect. It's called a no
Speaker 1: cebo effect. This is when you get a negative injunction
Speaker 1: that something bad is going to happen. So Placebo is
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna get this therapeutic benefit. You're gonna take this,
Speaker 1: and your blood pressure is going to normalize, your depression
Speaker 1: is going to go away, your cancer is going to dissolve.
Speaker 1: A no Cbo effect is saying this is incurable. You
Speaker 1: have six weeks to live. You'll never walk again, right,
Speaker 1: So these injunctions from an authority figure. And there's another
Speaker 1: study I excited from Alia CROM's team. They did a
Speaker 1: skin prick test where they used a histamine, you know,
Speaker 1: a histamine stimulator to create a rash on people's skin,
Speaker 1: and then they had an inert cream and they told
Speaker 1: the test subjects either this cream is going to make
Speaker 1: your rash worse or this cream is going to make
Speaker 1: your rash better. It's different, people told different things. Now,
Speaker 1: what happened was and this was true for like ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the test subjects when they received that inert
Speaker 1: cream that had no therapeutic benefit and they told their
Speaker 1: rash would get worse. Within ten minutes, the rash got
Speaker 1: worse and spread. For other people within ten minutes, the
Speaker 1: rash got better and nearly went away from most people
Speaker 1: just within ten minutes of them getting this cream that
Speaker 1: does nothing. The biggest part of this was the benefit
Speaker 1: depended directly with how the person believed in the competence
Speaker 1: of the physician. Their rapport and belief in the person
Speaker 1: telling them about the thing impacted their physical response the most.
Speaker 1: So again, who are you listening to? You know? And
Speaker 1: so for me, I had that nicebo effect injunction, Like
Speaker 1: he told me this was incurable. I'll be in paying
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, you know, I'll never walk
Speaker 1: normally again, all these things, and I believed him. But
Speaker 1: thankfully again, just like sometimes going through these things and
Speaker 1: hitting rock bottom is a good place to stand up from,
Speaker 1: you know, and being able to access this is why
Speaker 1: people are such a gift, you know, Like my grandmother
Speaker 1: was like a guiding light, like a north star for me.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time. I just thought
Speaker 1: she was being annoying. But just knowing that there's somebody
Speaker 1: who believes in me, man, it just made the process
Speaker 1: so much easier. But the thing is, you don't need
Speaker 1: anybody else to believe in You can believe in yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. But it does take it does take some revelation.
Speaker 1: It does take a lot of work to be able
Speaker 1: to do that. But anyways, but just to put the
Speaker 1: icing on the cake with this, with stress and the
Speaker 1: impact that it can have on our bodies and our relationships.
Speaker 1: The reason that I don't talk about this off the jay,
Speaker 1: but the reason I wrote this book was to address
Speaker 1: how food is affecting how we communicate with each other
Speaker 1: because you probably have noticed we're living at a very
Speaker 1: divisive time right now. You know, there's so much divisiveness,
Speaker 1: there's so much agitation, there's so much in fighting, when
Speaker 1: on paper, we should be more connected than ever, Like
Speaker 1: we all have the same access to the same data.
Speaker 1: Why is there so much arguing about it? Right? And
Speaker 1: also people are becoming so polarized, like they're going and
Speaker 1: planting their flag at one end of the other end.
Speaker 1: But truth truthfully, most people are here in the middle,
Speaker 1: but they're listening to people at these outer ends. But
Speaker 1: what's not being talked about is the fact that, for example,
Speaker 1: there was a study done at the Ohio State University
Speaker 1: and it was looking at couples, you know, like I
Speaker 1: love my wife, she's my best friend, and but we also,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we have you know. And
Speaker 1: the thing is like we know our stuff now because
Speaker 1: we often attribute it to the person. But what they
Speaker 1: did was they use glucose monitors to see what happens
Speaker 1: when the person in the relationship when they have abnormal
Speaker 1: blood sugar, how they respond to their partner, yes, all right,
Speaker 1: And so what they found was when people have when
Speaker 1: their blood sugar was abnormal, you know, when they experienced
Speaker 1: a blood sugar crash for example, which is normal because
Speaker 1: again we're going hypoglycemic and then crashing because the way
Speaker 1: we eat today, the test subjects became much more aggressive
Speaker 1: towards their partner. Keyword aggressive. Right, And here's the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: because for me, it's just like okay, that's a quality.
Speaker 1: But what's the end result. End result is they were
Speaker 1: far less likely to resolve their relationship conflicts. So that's
Speaker 1: the outcome because your blood sugar's messed up. Now, we
Speaker 1: think about this with kids, like you know they're hyper
Speaker 1: or whatever, they're cranky. You're just a big adult baby,
Speaker 1: you know, you get the same hard wiring. And so
Speaker 1: when we tend to be in conflict is when we
Speaker 1: when our biological needs are off, you know, when we're tired,
Speaker 1: when we're hungry. These things we attribute to kids acting
Speaker 1: up like that, but we do that to each other, right,
Speaker 1: And so that was just one little glimpse into it,
Speaker 1: like this is somebody that you love. And so with
Speaker 1: the just a little sidebar in the study, they use
Speaker 1: like these dolls and poking pins in the doll. How
Speaker 1: if you are a madic or partner you are. So
Speaker 1: it's just kind of creepy like some people. So, but
Speaker 1: now here's how we branched this out globally. Researchers at
Speaker 1: Oxford University. They wanted to see what would happen by
Speaker 1: improving the nutrition of prison inmates. Right, so we have
Speaker 1: a certain psychological view of people who are in these conditions. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: But for me, I have an experience with this because
Speaker 1: of the environment that I come from. You know, many
Speaker 1: of my friends and family end up in that situation.
Speaker 1: I could have been in that situation. And so what
Speaker 1: they did was and this is a randomized, placebo controlled trial,
Speaker 1: gold standard. This isn't just guessing. This isn't like the
Speaker 1: oh this thing, gold standard of clinical trial. They took
Speaker 1: a group of these prison inmates and they improved their
Speaker 1: nutrition just through getting in from Omega three fatti ascid supplements,
Speaker 1: which we've got to talk about that by the way,
Speaker 1: and then just increasing their amount of vitamins and minerals
Speaker 1: that they're consuming, right, so very rudimentary stuff. And then
Speaker 1: they have the cebo group who gets nothing. It's a
Speaker 1: four and a half month study and after compiling all
Speaker 1: the data, the test subjects. The prison inmates who received
Speaker 1: the improved nutrition had a thirty five percent drop in
Speaker 1: behavioral offenses versus the PACEBO group, and most notably, a
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent drop overall in violent offenses. Their proclivity
Speaker 1: towards hurting another person dropped by thirty seven percent by
Speaker 1: increasing their nutrition. What was in that nutrition, dude, basic vitamins, minerals,
Speaker 1: multi vitamin type stuff, omega threes, but the megathrees are critical.
Speaker 1: That's why I want to specifically talk about this. But
Speaker 1: that sounds so crazy because the very best programs in
Speaker 1: prison for rehabilitation come nowhere near those types of results.
Speaker 1: So some other researchers saw it and they were just like,
Speaker 1: that's impossible, and they replicated the study and almost got
Speaker 1: the exact same numbers. This was published in the journal
Speaker 1: Aggressive Behavior. There's so many journals that cover these things,
Speaker 1: and the data is available by getting people healthier, by
Speaker 1: giving them the basic The question should be how just
Speaker 1: your cells, your brain cells specifically, being able to talk
Speaker 1: to each other, you require key nutrients, and so one
Speaker 1: of those nutrients is omega three, fatty acids DHA and
Speaker 1: EPA specifically. The cool thing is that blood brain barrier.
Speaker 1: They got to express pass so they're able to cross
Speaker 1: the blood brain barrier because it's one of those essentials
Speaker 1: for the brain. Now, this is so crazy, but without
Speaker 1: these specific omega three's, your brain cells can't really efficiently
Speaker 1: talk to each other. It's something called they enable something
Speaker 1: called signal transduction, so your cells being able to talk.
Speaker 1: And also they're part of all of your cell membrains,
Speaker 1: so just the cell being sustainable itself. If you're deficient
Speaker 1: in these things, again, your body will try to do
Speaker 1: what it has to do, but it just degrades the
Speaker 1: way that your body works so much. And so a
Speaker 1: study this was published in the journal Neurology, one of
Speaker 1: the top journals looking at the brain, and they found
Speaker 1: that test subjects who consume less than two grams of
Speaker 1: omega threees per day had the highest rate of brain shrinkage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and where are we getting omega threes from naturally? If
Speaker 1: we're even getting this. Yeah, this is so important because
Speaker 1: for years I made this mistake, all right, working in
Speaker 1: a clinical practice, seeing people every day and wanted to
Speaker 1: invoke more plants into people's diets. I would tell people,
Speaker 1: make sure you getting your cheese seeds, and you know
Speaker 1: your flax seeds. You got flax seeds or flax seed
Speaker 1: oil in a refrigerated section because it's volatile. But I
Speaker 1: was missing the mark because that's a LA. It's a
Speaker 1: different form of omega threees. It's the plant version, and
Speaker 1: it's not what your brain uses, all right, So your
Speaker 1: brain uses epa and dha. These are only found in
Speaker 1: animal foods. And we do have an option for people
Speaker 1: doing a vegan protocol, which is algae oil. All right,
Speaker 1: So we'll come back to that in just a second.
Speaker 1: But this is very important because your body can the
Speaker 1: plant omega three ala and converted into dha and epa,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose at least seventy five percent the
Speaker 1: conversion process, all right, So this is going to depend
Speaker 1: on your microbiome, your other metabolic factors, on who's efficient
Speaker 1: in converting this. So to say, for somebody that is
Speaker 1: doing a vegan or vegetarian protocol to just have chia
Speaker 1: seeds are cool, it's not. It's not cool. Literally, we're
Speaker 1: talking about your brain shrinking. This is not a joke.
Speaker 1: You need to make sure you're getting these dha and
Speaker 1: epa the whole food versions or sources that we've evolved
Speaker 1: having is going to be coming from fatty fish. Again,
Speaker 1: humans have been eating these foods for thousands of years.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into religiosity about our nutrition
Speaker 1: and it creates all this divisiveness. I just want to
Speaker 1: talk about principles, right, and so fatty fish, grass fed beef, eggs.
Speaker 1: And then we've got as far as what most of
Speaker 1: the peer view studies are done on, it's done on
Speaker 1: fish oil, right, and it's just it is what it
Speaker 1: is now with I said, I believe that there are
Speaker 1: some other means for this. One of them, depending on
Speaker 1: where your ethics lie, could be krill oil. All right.
Speaker 1: So krill oil is one of the richest sources of astaxanthin,
Speaker 1: which is protective of those Omega three's, which is huge
Speaker 1: and of itself. But this is a microscopic keyword, microscopic shrimp.
Speaker 1: All right, you're probably just even like if you lick
Speaker 1: the air, you're going to be killing more sentient beings
Speaker 1: than you know what I mean, this microscopic shrimp. But
Speaker 1: it's a concentrated form of omega three's dha and epa.
Speaker 1: If that's where you sit, then we have algae oil,
Speaker 1: which is a plant source. The caveat here is that
Speaker 1: we don't have much period viewed data on its efficacy.
Speaker 1: We know the DHA and EPA is there, so I
Speaker 1: don't want everybody to wait. If you're doing a vegan protocol,
Speaker 1: please get yourself an algae oil today, Like today, get
Speaker 1: a specific so algae oil is going to be encapsulated,
Speaker 1: so which again I would love people to do food first,
Speaker 1: but in this situation, it's essential. It is absolutely essential.
Speaker 1: So we can still do our chia and our flax
Speaker 1: and our hemp seeds. Those are those are great for
Speaker 1: other things, but please don't mistake the fact that we
Speaker 1: need a mega threes for cognitive function. And again in
Speaker 1: this clinical trial they're using fish oil, So this is
Speaker 1: not a joke. Being able to reduce your proclivity towards violence,
Speaker 1: to improve your ability to perspective, take, and to be
Speaker 1: able to have more compassion and patience. We know this
Speaker 1: when we're when we're nutrient deprived, when we're even just hungry,
Speaker 1: we tend to be more irritable and less patient towards
Speaker 1: people we love, let alone people we don't know. So
Speaker 1: the biggest issue I believe Jay. And this isn't because
Speaker 1: I'm a nutritionist, Like I really examine this, Like I
Speaker 1: sat with this for a while. I was like, is
Speaker 1: this because my life has just been revolved around health?
Speaker 1: Like truly, I feel that the biggest underlying issue for
Speaker 1: our epidemic levels of divisiveness and very illogical behavior and
Speaker 1: the ability to see another human being and to want
Speaker 1: to do them harm, it's because we are unhealthy, you know.
Speaker 1: And the data indicates this, but my real my life
Speaker 1: indicates this, you know. Like I grew up in an
Speaker 1: environment man Like it was just it's an environment. It's
Speaker 1: so volatile. There's so much violence, you know, outside my
Speaker 1: door and in my own household. And to see how
Speaker 1: I've changed because I was a reflection of that environment.
Speaker 1: Something I didn't tell you about when I went to
Speaker 1: that private university. I got kicked out of that university
Speaker 1: for fighting. I got kicked out of high school for
Speaker 1: my entire junior year for fighting. And I I was
Speaker 1: in student advisory. I was teenage Health Consultant, which was
Speaker 1: this little health program. I was in in Roads, which
Speaker 1: I was able to take college credit. You know. It
Speaker 1: was the first year that it was popping off with
Speaker 1: Saint Louis University. I was a scholar, athlete, I was
Speaker 1: all these things. It didn't matter, you know. I got
Speaker 1: in this situation where I felt threatened, and I resorted
Speaker 1: to that behavior, you know. And every day in the morning,
Speaker 1: you know, going in getting the cereal and getting the
Speaker 1: you know, the pasteurized orange juice. I'm eating pizza pretty
Speaker 1: much every day of lunch with the oppressor with cheese,
Speaker 1: you know, and just like I'm making my body out
Speaker 1: of this really low quality material, right. And so the
Speaker 1: crazy thing was, once I got physically healthier, I started
Speaker 1: to see people differently, and I started to have so
Speaker 1: much more patience because I was replicating those behaviors. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter is my oldest I have three kids,
Speaker 1: and my mother, like she would say something once and
Speaker 1: then five seconds later, she's pissed off. Right, she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to repeat herself. She's just ready on fire, to
Speaker 1: be mad, to be irritated, to be aggressive towards you,
Speaker 1: and to have such a lack of patience. And so
Speaker 1: I was being that with my daughter. You know what,
Speaker 1: for me, I wanted her to be. Of course, most
Speaker 1: people want their children to be better than them, and
Speaker 1: so when she was in kindergarten, I was getting her
Speaker 1: like second and third grade work and we would sit
Speaker 1: around a table and all this stuff and just imagine
Speaker 1: like the lack of patience that I had. And she
Speaker 1: graduated with honors all that stuff, but you know, just
Speaker 1: what she had to deal with. And I'm even then
Speaker 1: of still it wasn't like bad, but still just like
Speaker 1: the level of patience that I have now from like
Speaker 1: my youngest son is ten, it's night and day. It
Speaker 1: is night and day because I'm physically healthier, and it's
Speaker 1: not a struggle. It's not a reach for me. Now
Speaker 1: here's the rub. It's not that we can't express compassion
Speaker 1: or the perspective take or to express patience when we're unhealthy.
Speaker 1: It's just harder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think
Speaker 1: we've all experienced that, right, Like I think we all
Speaker 1: know that that when you're hungry, you react differently to everything.
Speaker 1: And I think we've all experienced the irritability when you
Speaker 1: feel like your body's like exhausted or you're going to
Speaker 1: be more irritable, you're going to be more agitated. I
Speaker 1: think we know that. Most people would say, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know exactly, what that feels like. And this is where
Speaker 1: I like the connection you're making and I agree with
Speaker 1: you even more is I've spent so long with people
Speaker 1: where they keep trying to solve the issue in their head.
Speaker 1: They're wondering why their energy is not right, they're wondering
Speaker 1: why they don't feel positive, they're wondering why they don't
Speaker 1: feel clear, and so much of it is diet related.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's meditation, and there's mindfulness and these beautiful practices.
Speaker 1: But if you're doing all of those but you're not
Speaker 1: solving your gut, you're making life harder, like you're working
Speaker 1: harder without using all the resources. And that's why at
Speaker 1: the beginning, when you said it's your diet, your sleep,
Speaker 1: and your movement, and then you have your mindset and
Speaker 1: your meditation and your mindful us, we've got to use
Speaker 1: all fours. Like you can't just use one. Like you
Speaker 1: can't just work out and say, oh, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what I eat, And you can't just eat right and say,
Speaker 1: oh it doesn't matter if I don't work out, and
Speaker 1: you can't just sleep right. And you're right, it's not
Speaker 1: about choosing either raw it's it's all of them. And
Speaker 1: that's what you present in this book about the connection
Speaker 1: between them. Yeah. Sure, you're such a wise, insightful twenty
Speaker 1: years studied. I mean when you mentioned them, like, I
Speaker 1: can tell it's it's phenomenal, and you can tell what
Speaker 1: a passion you have for this. If someone's listening today
Speaker 1: and you could simplify for them three things that they
Speaker 1: should try and learn more about and three things they
Speaker 1: should be very aware of that they may need to
Speaker 1: put aside, what would you say for each of those?
Speaker 1: For someone who's today going, wow, I need to read
Speaker 1: this book, Eat Smart, So I'm going to order that,
Speaker 1: But it's like, what are three things that I need
Speaker 1: to add and think about and research and learn more about,
Speaker 1: and what are three things that it maybe need to
Speaker 1: avoid and set aside. You know, this is a tenant
Speaker 1: throughout history. The number one thing for me is to
Speaker 1: know thyself, you know, really do a self assessment because oftentimes,
Speaker 1: you know, working as somebody who's I'm sitting across the
Speaker 1: table from a person and they've got twelve medications that
Speaker 1: they're on and they're wanting to make a change, and
Speaker 1: I have to be there and to look them in
Speaker 1: the eyes and say I got you, We're going to
Speaker 1: figure this out, and actually know with every five of
Speaker 1: my being that we're going to figure it out. To
Speaker 1: be able to do that, I have to evoke within
Speaker 1: that person and find what is a leverage point and
Speaker 1: help them to get honest about what landed them in
Speaker 1: this place that they're in to begin with. Right, So
Speaker 1: what I would find is that and this is a
Speaker 1: great secret for all the coaches out there, many people
Speaker 1: already probably know this who are doing this type of work.
Speaker 1: If you allow a person to speak, just ask them questions,
Speaker 1: they will often tell you the cause and the cure
Speaker 1: of what is ailing them they're being. They know it already,
Speaker 1: it's already within their mental and you know, cellular records.
Speaker 1: They know better than anybody, right, But you have to
Speaker 1: give people space to be able to speak. And so
Speaker 1: but oftentimes coaches, you know, we want to help people,
Speaker 1: and so we just want to give them our thing, right,
Speaker 1: but just actually be there, listen, be a space for
Speaker 1: this person. It's probably nobody's ever really listened to them, Like,
Speaker 1: just actually shut everything down to listen to them. Be
Speaker 1: that person, and they'll tell you the cause in cure.
Speaker 1: So know thyself is the tenant self assess, and there's
Speaker 1: different personality types that we can put people in. But
Speaker 1: we're infinite, you know, we really are. But there are
Speaker 1: people who tend to be people start things and stop
Speaker 1: things very quickly. You're right, they meet a little bit
Speaker 1: of resistance in there. That's okay. Then there are people
Speaker 1: who you know, swing for the fences. They go and
Speaker 1: they do so much like they go, they get all
Speaker 1: the things, they get all the equipment, They go so
Speaker 1: hard and they on themselves into the ground, right. And
Speaker 1: there are people who are just more balanced. Like there's
Speaker 1: different personality types and so really honing in on what
Speaker 1: your personality types is are And I talk about this
Speaker 1: a little bit in the book as well, So know
Speaker 1: thyself so you know what to shore up. And I
Speaker 1: don't like to talk in terms of strength and strength
Speaker 1: and weaknesses. You know, you have strengths and then you
Speaker 1: often have things that are foreign to you, right, And
Speaker 1: that's okay because like my strength is I know a
Speaker 1: lot about the human body. I don't know about cars,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I know Danna Kapatrick,
Speaker 1: Like I feel disrespected even saying car around. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And So it's just like being able
Speaker 1: to understand, like that's not my domain of excellence, or
Speaker 1: but I could learn I might, you know, because of
Speaker 1: my experience come into the car game, and like I
Speaker 1: can start seeing stuff other people aren't saying, you know, like,
Speaker 1: but that's not for me. So I understand my strengths
Speaker 1: and also where I don't have any credibility or experience, right.
Speaker 1: Number one is just a principle to know yourself and
Speaker 1: to know what things tend to hinder you. And I'll
Speaker 1: just share one little quick one because I saw it
Speaker 1: as a big consistent in my clinical practice. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest things that hinders people in getting in the
Speaker 1: progress that they want is blaming others. All right. I
Speaker 1: was literally I was right there listening to them, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can see after a while, I can
Speaker 1: see it coming out here. It comes you know, if
Speaker 1: my kids would just abid us, right, if my husband would,
Speaker 1: just if my wife would, just if my mom would
Speaker 1: just you know, like everybody else in their life is
Speaker 1: making it harder. Right, So they have this story and
Speaker 1: they're going to live and die by it, right, and
Speaker 1: so but the thing is, it's just a story, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it's not true. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you don't experience more, you know, conflict or curveballs
Speaker 1: in your life because of your life experience. But listen,
Speaker 1: like it's all about perspective, you know. I've been through
Speaker 1: some crazy stuff in my life and to be here
Speaker 1: where I am, like the number one thing besides that
Speaker 1: moment of decision is taking responsibility for my life one
Speaker 1: hundred percent responsibility. Again, this is one of those things
Speaker 1: that you might you don't really do that, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's without any wiggle room. I had to
Speaker 1: stop pointing the fingers. I had to stop blaming and
Speaker 1: catch myself whenever I do it and understand even if
Speaker 1: in a relationship conflict, it's not fifty fifty, it's one
Speaker 1: hundred one hundred, because if there's a miscommunication taking place,
Speaker 1: instead of me being like, why don't you understand this?
Speaker 1: I can think about how am I communicating this? Because
Speaker 1: there is a way to get through, right. But that's
Speaker 1: me taking responsibility. But sometimes we don't feel like it,
Speaker 1: you know. But also again, if you're physically unwell, it's harder, right,
Speaker 1: So being able to help people with that piece of
Speaker 1: like you've got to take responsibility here, stop blaming other people.
Speaker 1: There as a way, right, and what we do is
Speaker 1: and this is where I can answer more the question.
Speaker 1: It starts stacking conditions in your favor to make it easier,
Speaker 1: make it automatic. So the biggest issue today with people
Speaker 1: being able to go from where they are with their health,
Speaker 1: where we are severely sick society. I mentioned two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty million Americans overweight or obese, one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: million Americans diabetic or pre diabetic. Sixty percent of Americans
Speaker 1: have some degree of heart disease right now. One hundred
Speaker 1: fifteen million Americans are regularly sleep deprived. Uppers of fifty
Speaker 1: million Americans experience in autommunic condition. I can go on
Speaker 1: and on and on. These are things that have never
Speaker 1: happened before. But if skyrocketed, depression, all time high ADHD,
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on, everything is worse. And
Speaker 1: here we are again on paper, we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: more evolved and intelligent than we've ever been. And people
Speaker 1: were like, well, we're living longer though, No, No, we're
Speaker 1: the first generation in recorded human history that is not
Speaker 1: going to outlive the generation before us. It is now reversed,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense. It should be continuing increase. But
Speaker 1: we've hit a threshold, you know, our quality of life
Speaker 1: is suffering because by treating symptoms, we can keep people alive.
Speaker 1: And what's happening is we're not really living longer, we're
Speaker 1: dying longer. We're extending the suffering, you know. So how
Speaker 1: do we get into this state? And the solution here?
Speaker 1: The number one thing is we live in a severely
Speaker 1: sick culture and so we're automatically going to pick up
Speaker 1: what's happening in our environment to be healthy. And a
Speaker 1: severely sick society is very it's weird, you know. So
Speaker 1: today you and your wife are weird as hell, Like
Speaker 1: you guys are super weird, and shout out to everybody
Speaker 1: else that's you're weird, you know, And that's okay. It's
Speaker 1: abnormal because normal right now is being unwell. And so
Speaker 1: a solution here is and this is my goal and
Speaker 1: it's what I do. This is what I dedicate my
Speaker 1: life to, is what gets me up in the morning,
Speaker 1: is to help to make a shift to where health
Speaker 1: is normalized, right to where it's easy to have access
Speaker 1: to the things that healthy. Right now, we have ease
Speaker 1: of access to things that make you sick, that degrade
Speaker 1: your health, that degrade your mental health. These are all
Speaker 1: close closely accessible, right, and so one of those things
Speaker 1: you know, again, being from Ferguson, Missouri, I was surrounded
Speaker 1: by fast food like absolutely, you name the place within
Speaker 1: a mile radius, all of them are just some surrounded
Speaker 1: by it. And the question is why is this so cheap? Right,
Speaker 1: because that's why I bought it? Yeah, the accessibility, the price,
Speaker 1: and the taste. Of course they got food scientists or
Speaker 1: brilliant at making you addicted to the foods. But the
Speaker 1: cost that the economies of scale here, and so how
Speaker 1: is it that I can go to McDonald's and get
Speaker 1: three cheeseburgers for the same amount that would cost me
Speaker 1: to buy one avocado? This avocado falls off the tree,
Speaker 1: like literally, this this cheese was are so cost intensive
Speaker 1: to make it makes no sense, right, the bread and
Speaker 1: the processing, the meat, the cheese, the condiments. Not to mention,
Speaker 1: even if we use an avocado versus a happy meal,
Speaker 1: there's even a toy the packaging, right, all of these
Speaker 1: things are so pros intensive, right, the market, all of that,
Speaker 1: there's we don't have like Beyonce doing a thing for
Speaker 1: you know, avocados, Like if you could imagine that, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, it's a really good point.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If you think about this, like
Speaker 1: how is this possible? And I answered this question because
Speaker 1: I had to, Like, not only did I answer the question,
Speaker 1: but I looked at what is the outcome? So a
Speaker 1: big driver of this is government subsidies. Right, So from
Speaker 1: the year nineteen ninety five to two ten alone, the
Speaker 1: United States government doled out almost two hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in government subsidies to farmers who are growing these commodity
Speaker 1: crops that largely show up through the draft, through window
Speaker 1: and in process foods. Right, So corn, soy, various forms
Speaker 1: of where sugar we can extract some sugar. Wheat of
Speaker 1: course is big. And by the way, like if you
Speaker 1: look at a grocery store, most of the foods are
Speaker 1: made of those ingredients, right, some forms or versions of
Speaker 1: those things. So what happened was by giving this investment,
Speaker 1: almost nothing went to the pharmers who growing fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 1: Now here's the bottom line. I came across the studying
Speaker 1: and I dug I had to find what is the
Speaker 1: outcome from this. There's got to be somebody asking this question,
Speaker 1: because I'm asking it. And I found it in the
Speaker 1: Journal of the American Medical Association, one of the most
Speaker 1: prestigious journals in the world, and they looked at the
Speaker 1: consumption of government subsidized food and the outcomes of health
Speaker 1: and humans. Right, So, the people who are consuming the
Speaker 1: most government subsidized foods had almost a forty percent greater
Speaker 1: incidents of being obese. They had far higher waste circumference,
Speaker 1: so belly fat, and higher levels of blood sugar, and
Speaker 1: also depradations to their inflammation so measure they use see
Speaker 1: reactive protein to measure they had higher rates of inflammation. Right,
Speaker 1: So all of these terrible things, but key thing, almost
Speaker 1: a forty percent greater incidents of being obese. By consuming
Speaker 1: the food that our government is literally paying for to
Speaker 1: put into our society, we're literally feeding the problem. And
Speaker 1: it's not okay. And when I say the government, I
Speaker 1: mean us because that money is coming from us, but
Speaker 1: we don't understand our authority. We've outsourced it to other
Speaker 1: people who don't have our best interests at heart. And
Speaker 1: so I'm in an environment where sixty percent greater incidents
Speaker 1: of my aunts, you know, my family members, Black women
Speaker 1: sixty percent greater incidents of being obese than a Caucasian woman.
Speaker 1: That's the society that we're living in, and it's the environment, right.
Speaker 1: It's not that any of us are just by nature
Speaker 1: more likely to be unhealthy. Right, And so we can
Speaker 1: help the stack in aditions to unify each other, you know,
Speaker 1: unify our communities. But we've got to stand up for
Speaker 1: each other and not allow this insanity to happen. Because
Speaker 1: what's happening when we're feeding this problem is the higher
Speaker 1: rates of mental issues, of poverty. It's driving more crime,
Speaker 1: it's driving more divisiveness. Right, It's not our fault. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a quote bad person. I'm an
Speaker 1: environment where it is a bigger risk for me to
Speaker 1: go outside and play than for another kid because I
Speaker 1: literally might die, a bullet might hit me, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's again, it's it's not like this is a
Speaker 1: daily thing, but that stuff did happen, you know, and
Speaker 1: people don't understand that. So you look at people and
Speaker 1: they're like, just work harder. My mother worked overnight at
Speaker 1: a convenience store just to again, trying to make ends meet,
Speaker 1: and she was stabbed eight times by somebody trying to
Speaker 1: rob the convenience store. These are things people often again,
Speaker 1: they don't they're not subjected to. And she, my mother's
Speaker 1: a really tough human being. Like it's crazy, you know
Speaker 1: if you hears some of these stories about my mom.
Speaker 1: But when she she subdued the guy, the police came. Right,
Speaker 1: she's just man, she's she's kind of a badass. But
Speaker 1: when she survived and subdued that, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So when she got to the hospital and got the stitches,
Speaker 1: the physician told her that if you weren't overweight, you
Speaker 1: would have died. Your your body fat saved you. What
Speaker 1: do you think she's gonna do that cognitive association? My
Speaker 1: fat is my savior, it's protecting me. You think she's
Speaker 1: gonna do anything to lose his weight. She's she's going
Speaker 1: to be more acclimated to having more of it. It's
Speaker 1: my protection, it's my safety. Right, She sold her blood
Speaker 1: to put food on the table. You know, all these
Speaker 1: different things, you know. So, but it's a perpetual. It's
Speaker 1: the environment, it's the culture, and there is a way
Speaker 1: to transition out of that. But I'm I'm really the
Speaker 1: exception and not the rule, Like it took so many
Speaker 1: minor miracles for this to happen, But I look back
Speaker 1: in my life, it's just like, is there something remarkable
Speaker 1: about me? Like how did all of this happen? And
Speaker 1: the thing is, we're all remarkable. I just realized that
Speaker 1: I have some power. I realized that I have I
Speaker 1: have the ability to decide, to think what I want
Speaker 1: to think, and to respond the way that I want
Speaker 1: to respond, and to make choices in the world when
Speaker 1: I had just been outsourcing all of my choices to
Speaker 1: the environment around me, and I had this story about
Speaker 1: like I can't, I can't do it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: to drive that point home, a big solution here is
Speaker 1: for us to create conditions, and we can do that.
Speaker 1: We can start with our own culture, in our own household.
Speaker 1: If people see my son, for example, my son Jordan
Speaker 1: twenty one years old right now, he just launched a
Speaker 1: new fitness program yesterday, and you know, I never told
Speaker 1: him to work in this field, but he's just in
Speaker 1: the environment, right and so he's been personal training and serving.
Speaker 1: I get messages from people who their kids have bought
Speaker 1: his program, like in tears, just like your son helped myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't sign up for that. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: But we created a culture of fitness, of health, of
Speaker 1: connection intentionally. And it doesn't matter where you start. Because
Speaker 1: my son Jordan was there with me and Ferguson sleeping
Speaker 1: on an air mattress. He knows what it's like. He
Speaker 1: was there with me through all of it, and so
Speaker 1: he has that perspective. No matter where you are right now,
Speaker 1: where no matter where your kids are at, we can
Speaker 1: create conditions. And nobody said it's gonna be easy, though
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna there's gonna be resistance, especially if
Speaker 1: you've been just on the iPad all the time or
Speaker 1: watching TV all the time. But a solution is this
Speaker 1: is to add to a solution. We need to fill
Speaker 1: that space with something of greater or equal value. That's
Speaker 1: the trick, right, So if you can find a way
Speaker 1: to supplant the need to you know, for them to
Speaker 1: watch another show with something that is you know, involves movement,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe again like and you can recruit other people.
Speaker 1: You probably got friends in your network, you know, like
Speaker 1: maybe there's a dance class or maybe there's you know,
Speaker 1: feeling the blank. You Like, the greatest gift that I
Speaker 1: have in my life today is the resources and the
Speaker 1: people that I have, right, And I'm I'm a self
Speaker 1: professed lone wolf for sure. Like I definitely had that
Speaker 1: lone wolf energy. But now like every day in my
Speaker 1: meditation practice, I have a little segment where I do
Speaker 1: with gratitude and I run through all the you know,
Speaker 1: people I'm grateful for, and it's just like it blows
Speaker 1: my mind. Oftentimes, I you know, I go into tears,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about it all the wonderful people. But
Speaker 1: that even that happens by you becoming the type of
Speaker 1: person that can invite in that kind of energy. Right.
Speaker 1: And so one of the big tricks that I've learned
Speaker 1: over the years too for people who are wanting you
Speaker 1: know who's blaming other people and wanting them to change,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. There's a statement that you can't be
Speaker 1: a prophet in your own land. Yeah, invite and find
Speaker 1: other voices to do the thing. So I just came
Speaker 1: back on Sunday from speaking at an event in Mexico.
Speaker 1: Every year it's called Phenomenal Life, and it's Eric Thomas
Speaker 1: often considered like top motivational speaker in the world. So
Speaker 1: it's him, myself, CJ, this guy named Jamal who's just
Speaker 1: a brilliant guy as well. So we do this event.
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna go to the event. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring my family so they can hear it from them
Speaker 1: rather than from me. Yeah. Right, So that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I realized. It's just like, if I have
Speaker 1: the opportunity, let me get the kids in this place.
Speaker 1: Even with fitness, what tends to happen is if somebody's
Speaker 1: working on their fitness, they leave their kids. They never
Speaker 1: really see them. Like Mom goes to this mystical place
Speaker 1: called the Gem and she comes back happier, sweaty like
Speaker 1: even that it's kind of freaky, actually, the thing like
Speaker 1: where are you going? Mom? But anyways, give your kids
Speaker 1: some of these inputs, like let them see you work out,
Speaker 1: invite them in, do some stuff with them. Right as
Speaker 1: soon as my oldest son was old enough to go
Speaker 1: to golds back in Saint Louis, he's twelve years old,
Speaker 1: and you know, he let twelve year olds in. I
Speaker 1: brought him to the gym with me and now like this,
Speaker 1: he's a beast like it's crazy, you know, it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: So start with your own household, creative culture intentionally. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be perfect. It's just about progress, you know.
Speaker 1: I know you ask for three things, but they're beautiful. Man.
Speaker 1: Sure you could drop the mic. Was that was so
Speaker 1: beautiful on so many levels because what I really appreciated
Speaker 1: about you is you're able to put the emphasis on
Speaker 1: taking responsibility. I'm designing your own destiny in and amongst
Speaker 1: all of the chaos, all of the divisive, all of
Speaker 1: the pain and challenges that you've experienced personally that you
Speaker 1: see around you, and you're saying, well, I've taken my
Speaker 1: own learning into my own hands. And I think that's empowering.
Speaker 1: I think it's encouraging and I think it's enlivening for
Speaker 1: everyone who's been listening and watching because we can hear
Speaker 1: your heart and I love today how you've connected the
Speaker 1: gut to the heart to the brain. You know, to
Speaker 1: see that three sixty degree approach to life through your
Speaker 1: truth is truly powerful to experience. To just sit in
Speaker 1: the presence of that and that just like flies off
Speaker 1: of you, like it just exudes from who you are,
Speaker 1: your eyes, your face, your body, your mind, your whole
Speaker 1: entire presence, like I've just been feeling it. So I
Speaker 1: want you to know that I see that, I feel that,
Speaker 1: and I want everyone who's listening and watching. If you
Speaker 1: haven't been able to see it because you're not in
Speaker 1: the room, I'm sure you can hear it. And I
Speaker 1: want everyone to go, you know, subscribe to Sean Show,
Speaker 1: grab the book, eats Smarter, follow Sean on social media
Speaker 1: because he's talking about the guy, but it's a way
Speaker 1: through to the heart and the soul as well. So Sean,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you from the bottom of my
Speaker 1: heart for joining us as a guest on our purpose,
Speaker 1: for putting your heart into this book and the work
Speaker 1: that you continue to do. And I know this would
Speaker 1: be the first of many more conversations. Thank you, James
Speaker 1: than I received that. Thank you so much. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure everyone's been listening and watching. What I'd
Speaker 1: love you to do is tag me and Sean to
Speaker 1: let us know what you learned, what you took away.
Speaker 1: There were so many phenomenal insights today on so many
Speaker 1: different levels, right whether it's mental, physical, emotional, spiritual, family, societal, economical,
Speaker 1: Like we've really went everywhere, and what we discovered, ultimately
Speaker 1: Sean said was we've got to take charge. We can't outsourcepiness,
Speaker 1: can't outsource our health. Got to take that charge, just
Speaker 1: as he has, just as he continues to try to
Speaker 1: do and serve and support us as well. So I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you've learned. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see your feedback. Big thank you to Shan again,
Speaker 1: and a big thank you to each and every one
Speaker 1: of you that are investing in your health and happiness
Speaker 1: as you listen to on purpose. Thanks everyone, Thank you
Speaker 1: Shan