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Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on y'all? This is Fante Fonticelo. This
Speaker 3: week's QLs classic is with none other than my homegirl,
Speaker 3: my friend, singer songwriter Marsha Ambrocious.
Speaker 1: She stopped by. We talked about.
Speaker 3: Everything from working with Michael Jackson, writing Butterflies, doctor dre
Speaker 3: Flow a Tree, and most importantly, how we've been pronouncing
Speaker 3: her name wrong and fucking it up for all these years.
Speaker 3: This episode was from January nine to twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 3: this is this week's cure Less Classic. It was an
Speaker 3: incredible time and we hope you enjoyed. Catch out next week,
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Speaker 1: Scared se roll Chameleon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Karma Karma, Karma, Yeah, I'm sorry, jan Yeah, Marcia Marshall, Suprema.
Speaker 3: My name is Fantee and I would listen to Flow
Speaker 3: Yeah back in the day when I was doing my
Speaker 3: hole with you.
Speaker 1: Supremo Supremo. My name is Sugar. Yeah, I know John Mayer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she cheated on me. Yeah with John Mayer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pay Bill, Yeah, I hope you're hearing. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: wish you could see. Yeah, like he is hearing.
Speaker 7: My right, it's been years since. Yeah, Boss Bill was
Speaker 7: in England. Yeah, I had a real chill time.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My idea of fun Brollie gets up.
Speaker 9: Supremo roll Suprema Son Supremo roll Ye.
Speaker 10: Yeah and Marcia yes, Yeah, was like a beast.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And she sings the best.
Speaker 9: Whoa Suprema Son Supremo roll.
Speaker 1: Call, Suprema son So Sopremo roll call.
Speaker 11: My name is Marsha. Yeah, and I'm on this mic. Yeah,
Speaker 11: I'm with my husband. Yeah, I'm so high.
Speaker 9: Supremo roll call, Suprema So Supremo, roll call, Suprema Son
Speaker 9: Son Supremo roll call.
Speaker 11: And I sound like Mary Puffins.
Speaker 1: Might have everyone bodied their verse. Y'all.
Speaker 10: Man, Wait, I didn't know that my godmother ear rings.
Speaker 1: Shout the jeans hanging. I know you had a scar
Speaker 1: for the repurpose some parasuco.
Speaker 8: I believe these came from the stable collective. Shout out
Speaker 8: Toterrina Scott. I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker 12: Know Scott's wife.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's some funked up earrings. Edit. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: about everything. I'm so happy to be back. Raight up.
Speaker 1: It's all right, man. My stomach hurts my side. I
Speaker 1: know I don't show.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm here quest Love and we're with Teams Supreme
Speaker 12: and there's unpaid Bill. Yeah, you're back. I'm back, thank you.
Speaker 12: I was on my walk about you. I did like,
Speaker 12: were you three weeks working up your bathroom as well?
Speaker 6: Or no? I am renovating the basement. There's no matt
Speaker 6: finish or waterless heater, waterlessankless tanklas water heater, but there
Speaker 6: are some walls.
Speaker 8: Probably got some cool job ship going on, Bill that
Speaker 8: you try and make jokes, but you probably got some
Speaker 8: real cool shit going on while you missed us.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Sesme Street was filming season fifty. Wow, fifty
Speaker 6: years of Sesame Street.
Speaker 1: Fifty years? That's crazy. Am I say anything about that?
Speaker 1: Or do I just wait until it happens? Or I
Speaker 1: think you should say something?
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, I'd like to thank you for finally it's
Speaker 12: been a lifelong more than soul trained and to come
Speaker 12: on Sesame Street that I can help.
Speaker 1: So you so you actually only you made it on
Speaker 1: I'm Battling Grover.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite amazing man, all right.
Speaker 12: And it's weird because like when you get in front
Speaker 12: of the muppets, you start talking to the muppets like
Speaker 12: they're real people.
Speaker 6: Also, Amir was like, legit flustered on the set. It
Speaker 6: was pretty funny. Yeah, he usually can't stop talking. He
Speaker 6: was like it was it was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 6: play the drums cause I don't know how to talk.
Speaker 12: Because like even even when they yell cut, Grover's still
Speaker 12: talking to me.
Speaker 1: Jimmy, Well, you know, I just kept on it and
Speaker 1: then like you realize, forty seconds later talking to a
Speaker 1: band and talk to it having a whole conversation.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I was getting analytical everything about my creative process.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait a minute, gets to the
Speaker 1: heart of the matter. Yeah, yeah, sugar, Steve, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Welcome to your Yeah yeah, well how you I have
Speaker 1: a whole network? Actually, how's your network doing? Network is blossoming? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's driving. That's great. Thank you for asking. H bost Gardens.
Speaker 1: Are you are you happy as or Yeah? I'm good.
Speaker 1: I haven't been getting in again. This is not a pun.
Speaker 1: I haven't been getting any headaches lately, So amen, amen
Speaker 1: to that. First listen to music.
Speaker 10: It just smell.
Speaker 11: We we know, we know, we know, Mars, So don't
Speaker 11: bring up old stuff.
Speaker 10: She's a mod and.
Speaker 1: I'm good man, I'm glad March is here.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: I haven't want to do this on a long time yet.
Speaker 1: Our guest today.
Speaker 12: She made her mark in the music world as one
Speaker 12: half of the pioneering neo soul outfit entitled Floatry. Her
Speaker 12: reputation as a songwriter, I'll say, uh, grew after the
Speaker 12: creation of what many, including myself, will probably say, Okay,
Speaker 12: how big of a hyper bulwick movement can I make this?
Speaker 1: You're pretty good.
Speaker 12: I personally think that Butterflies is maybe one of Michael
Speaker 12: Jackson's finest vocal performances in the last ten years of
Speaker 12: his life. Without without, without, without a diet. It's actually enunciating,
Speaker 12: yeah and not gritting. I'll ask you, how did you
Speaker 12: not get into yell at the So there's a take
Speaker 12: where he just let me actually say your name first.
Speaker 12: You will be in the show? Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 12: So she collabed with all of our favorites. Uh now,
Speaker 12: Salem village. Uh buster rhymes the game earth within and
Speaker 12: fire common. Uh oh, of course doctor dre while a
Speaker 12: Kanye Robert Glas everybody, everybody your credits of course.
Speaker 1: Late nights in early mornings.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 12: The very strong friends and lovers, extremely strong friends of lover.
Speaker 12: Her husband's in the room right now.
Speaker 13: He knows all the stories, respectful, and the latest being Nyla,
Speaker 13: which is not for New York LA.
Speaker 12: It's not about you being bicoast. It is, yeah, but
Speaker 12: I would like to think that it's also named after your.
Speaker 14: My daughter daughter, who was also named after my husband,
Speaker 14: was born in LA and raised in Buffalo.
Speaker 11: New York, n y Laka. And that's our tour schedule.
Speaker 12: I literally I thought that you wanted to correct a
Speaker 12: thirty five year wrong in which another famous person from
Speaker 12: the U k uh once had her version of coast
Speaker 12: to coast only being elert to Chicago.
Speaker 11: I still laughed about that even in school.
Speaker 14: I was like, geography, this is amazing because it's not
Speaker 14: coast to coast. But I love that she's my favorite
Speaker 14: and she allowed me to cover strong on the pride
Speaker 14: to so right, that's crazy, So yeah, coast to.
Speaker 12: Straight straight out of Liverpool, marsh and.
Speaker 11: What's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be like all times, it's not
Speaker 3: even you know, so now I'm thinking Late to Chicago
Speaker 3: western Maine.
Speaker 10: Is that the western may right, Western Lane.
Speaker 3: Was absolutely clear because that's the don't know, late to
Speaker 3: Chicago to Maine.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a that's like a Bermuda tribal with South
Speaker 14: Dakota el south.
Speaker 1: To it's western Male.
Speaker 14: I just wanted to express the world. It wasn't about
Speaker 14: a coast to coast thing. It was we're lyrically going
Speaker 14: to infuse places.
Speaker 1: Okay, do.
Speaker 12: You guys realize that there's three versions of that song
Speaker 12: in rotation otor Really when you buy the single version,
Speaker 12: it's I inquired this to Stewart.
Speaker 1: They did. They did, like.
Speaker 12: Stewart what's his name, Matthew, Matthew Man. I was about
Speaker 12: to say Jamaica last Stewart Zendad Right, Yeah, they they
Speaker 12: did like five takes of it. But the version on
Speaker 12: the album of Day is like night and Day. I
Speaker 12: don't know why didn't notice it earlier, Like I thought
Speaker 12: it was just a regular smooth operator that we've always known.
Speaker 12: But if you compare the album version to the single version,
Speaker 12: that's on radio and whatnot.
Speaker 1: It's night and day like.
Speaker 12: Yeah, her vocal performance everything. So the things you learned question, yes, exactly.
Speaker 10: You know what you saying Western Maine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Western Male. Google I think was wrong on this one.
Speaker 1: It says Western Mail m a l e.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah no that oh wait that context.
Speaker 12: That's oh yeah, it could have been mm hmm. Let's
Speaker 12: just spend the whole episode.
Speaker 1: Figure out.
Speaker 11: And say, you know what.
Speaker 1: Anyone, Drake, I don't not no more. That's the whole number.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that number was like eight eight numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he didn't throw his wire phone away.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Mar?
Speaker 11: I'm great?
Speaker 1: How are you fine? I'm fine. Wait, that's what I
Speaker 1: did not know that you were born in Liverpool. I
Speaker 1: thought you were just straight up London.
Speaker 14: No, born in Liverpool and we moved when I was
Speaker 14: about five years old, so I only really went to
Speaker 14: school in London and went back for every holiday. So
Speaker 14: I guess how your semester's work. It would be what
Speaker 14: easter break, summer?
Speaker 1: When you think of home, it's Liverpool.
Speaker 10: I think of the place.
Speaker 1: Really, I was thinking of Surelle.
Speaker 11: Nah No, not not really.
Speaker 14: I think of Liverpool, but I do reference London because
Speaker 14: that was the you know, trying times. It was parents separating.
Speaker 14: It was okay, I'm going to play basketball, I'm going
Speaker 14: to do music. I'm going to do everything to keep
Speaker 14: myself occupied and then go.
Speaker 1: Back to Liverpool. How old are you when your parents
Speaker 1: have read it like six? Wow?
Speaker 14: So that picture on the cover of Nylo, that's I'm
Speaker 14: about eight there, yes, seven or eight. So it was
Speaker 14: my dad's base in the background with his giant amplifier
Speaker 14: that I used to just switch on and off in
Speaker 14: the middle of the night so you can hear.
Speaker 11: That, like go back to sleep.
Speaker 1: So that was my that was my upbring was a musician.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 14: He was in a seventies band called super Charge signed
Speaker 14: to Virgin Records back.
Speaker 1: In the day.
Speaker 11: And if you google that, yeah, well if you do
Speaker 11: find the YouTube footage of said things.
Speaker 14: He's doing the Robot in nineteen seventy six on live
Speaker 14: television in Australia.
Speaker 11: Somewhere there's footage of this is incredible.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 14: You can't, but it's it's definitely googleaball and just being
Speaker 14: brought up in a household where music was everything.
Speaker 11: My mother has more Vinyl than you.
Speaker 14: She does like it's not even like, oh my mom's
Speaker 14: got no she does like where she keeps crazy.
Speaker 11: We have like a storage unit. My uncle has some
Speaker 11: and she has.
Speaker 1: Some at the house in Liverpool. She was just a
Speaker 1: Vinyl lover or yeah, like from radio station there.
Speaker 14: No, but that was very popular in the UK and
Speaker 14: she could she may as well have done at that point.
Speaker 14: But I remember, you know that pivotal point when you
Speaker 14: realize what music actually is. And for me, that turning
Speaker 14: point was Purple Rain. Purple Raining. Off the wall did
Speaker 14: it for me personally where I was like, you know what,
Speaker 14: I know what makes me feel really really happy? And
Speaker 14: it was I can't help it, And it was take
Speaker 14: Me with You the drum intro in the beginning and
Speaker 14: Computer Blue that outro, and.
Speaker 1: Those records were just as big over there as they
Speaker 1: were in the state. Absolutely, even though he didn't tour.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 11: Really about that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, like I didn't see Prince Live until my latter years.
Speaker 11: Thankfully I did. But were you allowed to watch?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: But we did.
Speaker 11: I realized that I watched what was it the thing?
Speaker 11: John Carpenter is the thing? When I was like five?
Speaker 11: Who does that? But I loved it.
Speaker 14: When the spider the head gets detached and it's great.
Speaker 14: I was a horror movie junkie, like the house on
Speaker 14: the cover of the Night album that had to be haunted.
Speaker 11: It was definitely we were living in a very haunted group.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, it had to be. Are you the only
Speaker 1: Do you have any siblings? Yeah?
Speaker 14: My brother and my dad remarried, so I have a
Speaker 14: little sister. Now that was way late, So it was
Speaker 14: me and my brother growing up.
Speaker 1: Are they musically inclined as low Yeah.
Speaker 11: My brother riots, he plays instruments.
Speaker 14: But we were torn in this very, very crazy place
Speaker 14: between basketball and music, and it was my dad was
Speaker 14: also a ball player and a coach, so it was
Speaker 14: every weekend go to the outdoor, call ball out. We
Speaker 14: were both Division one, both played for England two. It
Speaker 14: was really two three over there.
Speaker 12: And then I realized that, yeah, it's weird because I
Speaker 12: think that anybody in the UK is just all about
Speaker 12: football and really help me that thumbs their nose up at.
Speaker 14: American No, it was a lot bigger than I guess
Speaker 14: you would think basketball.
Speaker 11: Over in the year.
Speaker 1: Where did you start playing ball as.
Speaker 11: Soon as I could touch a ball?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 14: Yeah, my dad had me and my brother playing like
Speaker 14: from early so once I got incredible, if I must say,
Speaker 14: I had relaship. Yeah, I was actually going to play
Speaker 14: for Georgia Tech. And my friend was playing basketball in
Speaker 14: New Jersey. And it's crazy how life works. He actually
Speaker 14: had a demo of a performance that I did at
Speaker 14: Jazz Cafe in the UK and played it for like
Speaker 14: some promoter in Philly.
Speaker 11: I'd say that was yamine or tone or something that how.
Speaker 14: I probably, I mean, and that's how I got to
Speaker 14: Philadelphia by ways of the guy that was going to
Speaker 14: get me to play basketball at their high school, and
Speaker 14: then we were all going to go to Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, didn't I tore ligaments two years prior
Speaker 14: to that happening. And then this friend that still played
Speaker 14: ball had my demo played it for for you, I mean,
Speaker 14: and then I was already in Atlanta doing ying Yang
Speaker 14: Cafe open mics and stuff. I'm sure, I mean, I'm
Speaker 14: just it's like black Lily. No, like, no, that's a
Speaker 14: real R.
Speaker 11: I P Black Lily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like, so you were what position? Did you were?
Speaker 1: You afford two and three? I'm a musician, so I
Speaker 1: don't know about that.
Speaker 14: I was like, okay, yeah, uh So I was bawling,
Speaker 14: bawling until I tore ligaments and then it was like
Speaker 14: Plan B had to be music. So I watched Michael
Speaker 14: Joy didn't come fly with me every day?
Speaker 1: Wow h.
Speaker 11: And I was like, come fly with me because I
Speaker 11: couldn't walk.
Speaker 1: So I used to rent that from the video store.
Speaker 1: She never would.
Speaker 8: With me.
Speaker 11: It was like a Michael Jordan's documentary. I haven't seen
Speaker 11: it for ages, but I literally watched it watching like yeah,
Speaker 11: Jordan's really yeah, wait wait.
Speaker 12: Can I skip a little bit because technically, were you
Speaker 12: guys under Hidden Beach at all or were you just
Speaker 12: straight up it was.
Speaker 11: Not even epic.
Speaker 14: So we did a meeting with Hidden Beach and then
Speaker 14: it was like nah, and then we ended up with DreamWorks.
Speaker 12: Because people know that Hidden Beaches Jordan kind of story
Speaker 12: of Michael Jordan's label.
Speaker 14: He's the money, right, So that was kind of there
Speaker 14: was plugs there because Jill was already there, and we
Speaker 14: kind of did the whole you know, Steve.
Speaker 11: Had the whole house in Malibu. Cute touch and it's
Speaker 11: very l a, it's very oh my god, the ocean.
Speaker 11: I'm not signing here.
Speaker 12: I'm also means that Steve uh caraculously uh re release
Speaker 12: Jill Scott compilation over and over.
Speaker 1: When it did.
Speaker 11: This is two thousands, So yeah.
Speaker 1: Got collaborations. I mean we're past that. I mean like
Speaker 1: it's literally like the same thing over and over. It's
Speaker 1: like the sixth version of the same.
Speaker 11: If it's not that they unwrapped, that's my worst nightmare.
Speaker 1: Unwrapped the roots unwrapped happened, happ.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the intro that you got me was us making
Speaker 12: fun of him rapped if we decided just to keep
Speaker 12: it on there for sits and giggles. But yeah, James
Speaker 12: Poyser is notoriously obsessed with taking songs that sound good
Speaker 12: and putting them in like major chords so they sound
Speaker 12: like it's it's bing Crosby.
Speaker 14: So I met James Poyser before I met any of
Speaker 14: you guys in the UK, before I even came to
Speaker 14: the States. Him and uh Shape Hope together really in
Speaker 14: like ninety eight ninety.
Speaker 1: Nine, Pope, yeahs, yeah.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, basically, so it's crazy how life works.
Speaker 14: And then Foster war would I run into what is
Speaker 14: Philadelphia at the time, and it's Black Lily and you
Speaker 14: guys are abandoned.
Speaker 1: So you literally came to in state of y'all means
Speaker 1: crib and then like.
Speaker 10: Well people two different people taking credit to for this
Speaker 10: era of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, means always taking credit.
Speaker 11: But oh, this is a long.
Speaker 1: They didn't meet yet, how did you? How did you meet?
Speaker 14: So now and myself met through basketball in the UK,
Speaker 14: so it will be basketball tournaments in South London, and
Speaker 14: I guess played against her older sister, and I don't know,
Speaker 14: it just became cool. You go to summer camps and
Speaker 14: it's oh, now we go to the same performing art school.
Speaker 14: Fast forward to that and we're teenagers. Now I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 14: I remember you cool. Our parents knew each other. It
Speaker 14: was my dad works with your mom in the same building.
Speaker 1: And we were just cool, okay, And then was it
Speaker 1: just like okay, we got a dream.
Speaker 12: Do you know what?
Speaker 14: Absolutely by a very very well incredible accident. I was
Speaker 14: doing music over there, but in the UK it's like
Speaker 14: it's hit all miss literally for black music. So you're
Speaker 14: only allowed maybe a handful of five people that can
Speaker 14: be successful at the same time. So I was the
Speaker 14: up and coming writer producer that at sixteen seventeen I'd
Speaker 14: written Butterflies, but I have Warner Brothers over there telling
Speaker 14: me that it's not good enough, it's not a good song,
Speaker 14: and I'm just disencouraged, Like.
Speaker 11: You know what, this is not for me?
Speaker 14: I quit music because what I'm hearing in my head
Speaker 14: is excellence, and if you think it's trash, then I
Speaker 14: don't think I can do this for a second.
Speaker 1: I hold you say you were when you wrote.
Speaker 11: Butterflies sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 14: So I kind of hung up music for a little bit,
Speaker 14: went back to basketball for a couple of seasons. Fast
Speaker 14: forward to graduating from performing art school, and I heard
Speaker 14: that Natalie was doing poetry.
Speaker 11: So I was like, you know what will be dope.
Speaker 14: I have this song called Fantasized, and if a poet
Speaker 14: was on it, let me see. I'm a here so
Speaker 14: a hair up, yo, put some poetry to this song.
Speaker 1: This is the hook.
Speaker 14: I'm a beat bucks beat you know, come in when
Speaker 14: you come in. So she wrote her ass and we
Speaker 14: performed it and there was Flowtry.
Speaker 12: Now, even though you were not of club age at
Speaker 12: that timement. Yeah, I know you're laughing, like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 12: mere wink.
Speaker 11: Well eighteen over there it was never twenty one.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you were of club age, were you?
Speaker 12: Because all the ideas that the roots ever had as
Speaker 12: far as jam sessions were concerned, and all that stuff
Speaker 12: that we brought to the States. I mean, we literally
Speaker 12: stole living in London between ninety three and ninety six.
Speaker 1: So was anything like Ici or any of those clubs
Speaker 1: in London when they are on your radar.
Speaker 11: No, not even a little bit.
Speaker 1: So none of like Jazzy Bees and Nelly. No.
Speaker 14: I worked with Jay Zibe in his camp for a
Speaker 14: year or so, maybe a little less than that, and
Speaker 14: it was just very much in the studio. You'd do
Speaker 14: an R and B song and it'll be great in
Speaker 14: the moment and it would only go so far, or
Speaker 14: it will be sign your life away here, kid, and
Speaker 14: we'll own ninety percent of this because we gave you
Speaker 14: the studio time. And it's like, that's not how this works.
Speaker 11: I'm sure. I went to school for that part.
Speaker 14: So nah, I'm good. And I was always on that like,
Speaker 14: I don't need this for the bread. I want to
Speaker 14: be creative. So I always kind of created and chucked
Speaker 14: the deuces when it just didn't feel like it was
Speaker 14: done for the right reasons.
Speaker 1: So nobody that was popping at the time in London was.
Speaker 11: Ever gave me a ali nah. I mean it was.
Speaker 14: You know what was big over there. I think he
Speaker 14: went to jail because he was driving without a license.
Speaker 11: Is still that fear into me that if you drive
Speaker 11: without a license, you're going to be this guy?
Speaker 1: And I never did. I never believe that.
Speaker 12: I always felt because he did an interview like after
Speaker 12: he got out of jail whatever, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of the stories in Bellish like.
Speaker 14: Over here, because I remember it being about a license,
Speaker 14: and I think my mother told me that.
Speaker 1: I remember we defin knew jail, but I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Probably just ripped the pillow off, but let the candid license.
Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure if you google it that was what
Speaker 11: it was.
Speaker 1: But wait, do you remember there was a there was
Speaker 1: a hip hop crew that was like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: to keep on.
Speaker 11: That was my joint, right, I'm grown, I'm grown. I
Speaker 11: would admit this to you know that what's her name,
Speaker 11: Buffalo Nina.
Speaker 1: Cherry without a record.
Speaker 11: I was like, oh, this is good old time. You
Speaker 11: don't know ya though this is cute.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know what show we have your
Speaker 1: social Security numbers.
Speaker 12: But there was there was a there was an up
Speaker 12: and coming crew that obviously you know, they took their
Speaker 12: cue from Wu Tang. It was them on like steroids
Speaker 12: and they were part I mean, it was like they
Speaker 12: were part drumming bassed.
Speaker 1: They were part.
Speaker 11: Also the whole garage that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it was a cruise there that era.
Speaker 14: I actually got to Philadelphia when that really popped off
Speaker 14: and took off because I was more into the club scene,
Speaker 14: like going to party to it, not necessarily making it,
Speaker 14: so I kind of missed the whole wave of let's
Speaker 14: do a house and garage track, like when Craig David
Speaker 14: became the pop version of what was going on, because
Speaker 14: so much of that was going on in the UK.
Speaker 14: But when Craig David came in smashed it and took
Speaker 14: it to a whole other level with that, but so
Speaker 14: solid with the authentic you know London that.
Speaker 11: Were you know.
Speaker 1: The thing with who's the d J O with the
Speaker 1: oh no, not real? Tim is definitely the white from
Speaker 1: Master Flex. Yeah that's that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 14: I actually pretty much well, speaking of being too young,
Speaker 14: to be in the club. I was too young to
Speaker 14: be at a biggie show in the UK, but me
Speaker 14: and my best friend K at the time, we definitely
Speaker 14: went Yeah, So I'm glad I got to see Biggie Life.
Speaker 1: So you were those guys like two seven nine and all.
Speaker 11: Those jigs choice f M.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Trevor Nelson Nelson still doing like BBC B at
Speaker 14: that time.
Speaker 1: Was he was he doing it?
Speaker 3: He was?
Speaker 1: He was like, well he was really Giles Peterson's apprentice.
Speaker 12: So when I first met Benji b like ninety six,
Speaker 12: ninety seven, he was like, you know, doing answering phones
Speaker 12: and that sort of thing. Like he really started coming
Speaker 12: up in ninety nine to like when we started coming up. Yeah, No,
Speaker 12: I was only asking because I always wanted to know
Speaker 12: if so solid was I remember that, uh Westwood got shot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which if you get shot in London?
Speaker 10: Like Tim what got shot?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Remember remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I'm not saying no, no, no, he got shot.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 12: I mean, I mean for guns to even be in
Speaker 12: London was like yeah, because they don't sounds like Canad
Speaker 12: did to me, So it wasn't happening.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know how solid was that crew?
Speaker 1: They were so silent.
Speaker 11: No, it was UK Love, but he kept the gangster.
Speaker 1: He never stitched on who shot him?
Speaker 11: So yeah, anyway on London.
Speaker 12: Like Peterson, No he like, I mean, but I'm just
Speaker 12: starting like Flex was always on his show.
Speaker 1: If anything, I feel like Flex really nuanced.
Speaker 12: His relationship with Tim Westwood to let the world know,
Speaker 12: like hey, worldwide, like yeah, every that's how no funk
Speaker 12: Master Flex like him coming to London, America's own from Master.
Speaker 10: I was living in London, okay, because you know that's
Speaker 10: that's how you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm not in New I wasn't in New
Speaker 1: Yorker then.
Speaker 14: So I had this crazy manager back then, Danny Gale
Speaker 14: his name was, and I was. I was a kid
Speaker 14: at the time, and he was trying to make me
Speaker 14: do the whole second and do all these demos. And
Speaker 14: I opened for boys to men and be man.
Speaker 11: Think about that Bill.
Speaker 10: Who closed because I.
Speaker 1: Grew open. Well me.
Speaker 14: Me in like a Adidas track suit. I have my
Speaker 14: short Hallie bay tony Oho, and yeah it was. It
Speaker 14: was a hot mess, but I just knew I was
Speaker 14: about to blow up the Hippodrome, a place called the Hippodrome.
Speaker 1: I remember the.
Speaker 11: Right on the corner, Yeah, by the tube, literally right
Speaker 11: in the corner.
Speaker 14: And that's crazy. So that manager at the time trying
Speaker 14: to get my parents to fire him because I was
Speaker 14: under age. Really it was like, Bro, you're not taking
Speaker 14: me to this next level that I see for myself,
Speaker 14: and you've got to go and claim that I will
Speaker 14: never be ish ever in life. It's never going to happen.
Speaker 14: You're trash. I wish death point you like I'm seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, Yes,
Speaker 14: Christ it is, but you know what you can't like
Speaker 14: years later, in hindsight, I have to go you know what,
Speaker 14: whatever was going through your head, you had to have
Speaker 14: seen me as this crazy, huge star for you to
Speaker 14: even feel like I was taking.
Speaker 11: That away from you. I'm seventeen. I don't know what
Speaker 11: I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to be.
Speaker 11: You had it in your head that I was really
Speaker 11: about to be something, so.
Speaker 10: You had the fort right that he wasn't going to
Speaker 10: take you the place that you need to.
Speaker 12: Take age that kind of There's one question I didn't
Speaker 12: ask your voice when was it fully developed?
Speaker 11: Still developing? I don't really I get it.
Speaker 14: But when I started the Martian Nuances was roughly around
Speaker 14: sixteen or seventeen, maybe younger than my mum will probably
Speaker 14: say younger than that, but like fifteen sixteen, and that
Speaker 14: was really.
Speaker 12: No, no, no, So you say you're sixteen when people
Speaker 12: started taking you serious as a singer.
Speaker 11: No, When I started taking myself serious as a singer.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I'm saying.
Speaker 14: When I knew I was Marsha was when I started
Speaker 14: to sing the synth solo that you know, Teddy Riley
Speaker 14: would do in the middle of a guy record.
Speaker 11: So it was very much new Jack Swing. Was like,
Speaker 11: oh my god, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Why am I trying to Stanley Brown.
Speaker 11: Exactly do this?
Speaker 14: But I listened to weather Report my whole life, and
Speaker 14: I'm like, straight widow.
Speaker 1: Best moment of my life. Side note.
Speaker 12: I was at the Blue Note. I don't know who
Speaker 12: I was drumming for, but Stanley Brown got up on stage.
Speaker 12: I'm losing the audience, don't know who Stanley Brown is.
Speaker 12: I'm losing my mind. James Boyce just like Stanley Brown,
Speaker 12: and I was like, I lost my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm giving it to my holy Stanley Brown. Stanley Brown
Speaker 1: was the church I'm just.
Speaker 10: As I'm gonna beat the one. I'm gonna beat the
Speaker 10: one he was.
Speaker 1: Go on YouTube and watch the video for run him
Speaker 1: some pause.
Speaker 12: But I mean he was also the go to keyboard guy.
Speaker 12: He would be the James Boys of the eighties. Okay,
Speaker 12: So during during that R and B period of New
Speaker 12: York when Teddy Riley's really starting to get established, like
Speaker 12: mid eighties, you know, eighty six. You know, Stanley Brown
Speaker 12: is the guy that like was playing you know, Alison Williams, Orange,
Speaker 12: ju S Jones and he, Stanley Stanley Brown was the man.
Speaker 1: He's doing church stuff now. But like I gotta get
Speaker 1: for him that that saxophone patch.
Speaker 11: Oh like on JM.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but it's like it it's so artificial sounding, but
Speaker 12: it's so vintage now, Like you need the solo.
Speaker 1: The way that people felt like you remember when Amy
Speaker 1: Wineouse came aunt, like it was so old sounding. But
Speaker 1: like now that cheesy.
Speaker 12: Saxophony sound is to me, that's that's my Like, yeah,
Speaker 12: I'm I'm trying to get him more like something I
Speaker 12: played on before I die.
Speaker 1: You might have to have Roy Lee produce a track.
Speaker 10: Look, well wait, Marshall, you said you don't sing. What
Speaker 10: did you mean when you said that? You said you
Speaker 10: know it wasn't singing.
Speaker 11: I was like, k new Jack Swing moving into what
Speaker 11: was then?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: Joe, you said you still haven't When Emir asked you,
Speaker 8: you know how your voice is matured and grown, you
Speaker 8: were like, it's still You're still not done.
Speaker 10: You still don't sing to your fullest yet.
Speaker 14: No, what is it mm hmm, because it's more so
Speaker 14: an instrument. It's like what solo am I going to
Speaker 14: do today? I don't think like a singer. I think
Speaker 14: like what calls for the moment.
Speaker 12: I think real singers think as an instrument. Algio definitely
Speaker 12: thought he was an instrument. Anita Baker says she's an instrument. Yeah,
Speaker 12: like real singers are.
Speaker 1: You know everyone else is struggling struggle everybody else, a.
Speaker 11: Lot of people. Yeah, Well, I enjoy making sounds.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 14: I enjoy picking parts that make sense to me and
Speaker 14: all of the the heavily New Jack Swing era, It's
Speaker 14: a Bad Boy era. It was oh my gosh, Faith Evans,
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, One's twelve and like singing along to
Speaker 14: that album every day. Jodicy and all the inflections of
Speaker 14: those harmonies and having one almost be off key and
Speaker 14: if you pan them left and right, they're not doing
Speaker 14: the same thing. And that was okay. I didn't know
Speaker 14: that until I went in the studio. I was like, oh, layered,
Speaker 14: this sounds amazing, and I don't know, I just like
Speaker 14: to create.
Speaker 1: I missed off key singing, Like I seriously.
Speaker 11: Everything it's too tuned.
Speaker 14: I think that one is failing to the point where,
Speaker 14: oh my gosh, I believe that you want to right now.
Speaker 14: It's very you know, in an industry talk for hey,
Speaker 14: they got one is oh, you have a song that
Speaker 14: sounds the same pitch, same tempo, and has a hook
Speaker 14: that possibly belongs to something else already.
Speaker 12: Probably the worst case example of that to me is
Speaker 12: both the New Edition and Bobby Brown biopics, Like all
Speaker 12: the singing done on there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: The race, It's like, do you realize what Bobby Brown
Speaker 11: was really doing?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 14: And I feel like, I'm glad this happens so you
Speaker 14: can reference what was really going on at that time
Speaker 14: where melodyne and auto tune wasn't a choice for you.
Speaker 11: I wasn't going in the studio go and take that again. Okay,
Speaker 11: we'll fix it. Ain't no fix it? Be it again
Speaker 11: and yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 14: So it's a it's also an appreciation of, you know,
Speaker 14: what's actually been done.
Speaker 12: Well, you're the you're the first uh Black Louie graduate
Speaker 12: or class of whatever two.
Speaker 1: That I've had on the show.
Speaker 12: So I have to ask, well, I mean, it's hard
Speaker 12: to describe to people how magical the five spot was.
Speaker 1: And when it was in its zone where.
Speaker 12: Every week you would get prime Jaguar, all right, Prime
Speaker 12: Jill Scott, Prime Fluwatry.
Speaker 1: Jasmine Sullivan waking up, you know, coming up to do yeah,
Speaker 1: like the right exactly how much was was it ever
Speaker 1: a thing in your head like Okay, this is a.
Speaker 12: Movement or we gotta we gotta come with it, because
Speaker 12: I know, at least with I know that with Jag
Speaker 12: and Jill, there was always.
Speaker 1: A hmm, okay, all right, next week, I'm gonna have something, and.
Speaker 12: They would you know, you got six days to think
Speaker 12: of how you top what you saw? Yeah, So I
Speaker 12: don't mean from competition sick, but was it just like okay,
Speaker 12: what we got.
Speaker 1: To do there?
Speaker 14: Well, I think the the initial first show was what
Speaker 14: defined what we were going to do every week because
Speaker 14: it was weighing, Oh, we've got these two British chicks
Speaker 14: in town that they called themselves flow a Tree. Well
Speaker 14: International was like, oh my god, like these farms showed up.
Speaker 1: Nubians. Also time it was like, yo, we gotta come
Speaker 1: to the States. And suddenly I was like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it in French.
Speaker 10: It ain't work for them like they it was different,
Speaker 10: didn't that was over there.
Speaker 14: Yeah, when they can understand is going to Philly and
Speaker 14: being at the Black Lily and getting into that building
Speaker 14: and seeing Jill Scott and seeing music Soul Child and
Speaker 14: seeing Blao, seeing the roots of the house band, Like
Speaker 14: that's overwhelming, but it's also okay, I'm in here now,
Speaker 14: I have to bring it. But that first show, it's
Speaker 14: waiting until two in the morning to do it, and
Speaker 14: it's who stays, And that sweat Box was just okay,
Speaker 14: we want it. We don't want to miss anything because
Speaker 14: Jill might come up and do that one or Kindred.
Speaker 11: They used to kill any so right, rhythm of life
Speaker 11: and then we'll be all jumping up and down and
Speaker 11: out of breath. Then it will be a moment.
Speaker 14: But then it was okay, we're going to get on
Speaker 14: and it was hey, we're flower Tree and there's fantasize
Speaker 14: that first time and everyone's like, oh okay, okay, and
Speaker 14: I was like, okay, next week, this is what we're
Speaker 14: gonna do and straight Planet. So if we do get
Speaker 14: an earlier slut, there's going to be more people there.
Speaker 14: The word has gone around town. There's these two girls.
Speaker 14: They do this thing fantasize.
Speaker 1: You gotta start off with the Late shift.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, we were on tour. We were on the Late
Speaker 1: Show to reach advance.
Speaker 11: Sorry listen right, but we.
Speaker 14: Remember blue Funky, Blue Funk John Barbers Show first, and
Speaker 14: at that time it was Jeff Bradshaw was doing like
Speaker 14: the band and stuff.
Speaker 11: I think Terry Tribbett might have been on base. Yeah,
Speaker 11: so it's spoiled.
Speaker 1: Wait, I hate to go for it. Go for it.
Speaker 11: I think I know where this is going, but go
Speaker 11: for it.
Speaker 1: Was it your tour bus yet?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no.
Speaker 11: There's two stories.
Speaker 14: Are you talking about the stolen one or are you
Speaker 14: talking about Canada?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: You got it. Back it up, back it up, back
Speaker 1: back it up. Yeah, I've been waiting to hear the
Speaker 1: official story.
Speaker 14: Okay, once upon a time, Flowstry, we're opening for Alicia Keys.
Speaker 14: What happens is when people are going into Canada and
Speaker 14: you don't have visas nor you have issues to get
Speaker 14: across that border.
Speaker 11: You are left in Buffalo, New York.
Speaker 14: So these tour buses round about let's say load out
Speaker 14: was midnight the prior show.
Speaker 11: We get to Buffalo.
Speaker 14: However, long after that, drop everybody off that said, you
Speaker 14: know what, I'm gonna have some issues at the border.
Speaker 14: So I'm a role I'm not coming through. You guys
Speaker 14: do the show and come right back. So granted I'm
Speaker 14: asleep on this tour bus at the time, wake up
Speaker 14: at the border, and we are asked to get off
Speaker 14: and present our passports to make sure everything is good.
Speaker 14: So we're now sitting curbside and we're waiting for our
Speaker 14: passports to be brought back to us.
Speaker 11: So there's the.
Speaker 14: Inspector and a dog continuously going on and off of
Speaker 14: our tour bus. So I'm looking at each other because
Speaker 14: at the time, I wasn't smoking weed like that, especially
Speaker 14: on the bus. If we were, it was definitely on
Speaker 14: some dressing room shit.
Speaker 11: So I'm like, well, who mm mmm. I was like, nah, no,
Speaker 11: no one's smoking.
Speaker 1: On the bus.
Speaker 11: I was like, we have Paris at the time, and
Speaker 11: like I was like, we charged, We're good, We're good.
Speaker 8: Oh man.
Speaker 14: So then the inspector is getting continuously frustrated with all
Speaker 14: of us who claim that we have nothing tied. So
Speaker 14: now I'm getting scared. I'm like, well, what's about to
Speaker 14: go down? Because he looks really upset. Roughly around twenty
Speaker 14: minutes after this debucle this inspector and two dogs, now
Speaker 14: with two other people.
Speaker 11: Are carrying off.
Speaker 14: Our drummer at the time, ah who was on the bus,
Speaker 14: and they found him in you know the back cabinets
Speaker 14: that have mirrors and you can kind of crawl up.
Speaker 11: He was smoking a joint up there, and that's why he.
Speaker 1: Was smoking at the border. I heard that.
Speaker 14: Okay, you know when stories get because the Chinese whisper,
Speaker 14: is this what happened?
Speaker 1: We heard?
Speaker 10: Is he in a big family?
Speaker 12: Yes, okay, he's in the big family, and sometimes he
Speaker 12: takes you on an emotional roller coaster.
Speaker 10: Okay, well, actually that could be away.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: A couple of rolling around.
Speaker 11: Your account of this story is, well, how it ends his.
Speaker 12: In the that he somehow inserted himself inside of the
Speaker 12: back of the couch of the tour bus.
Speaker 11: Well if anywhere, it's.
Speaker 14: Yeah, well it would have been four hours because we
Speaker 14: would have left Buffalo and you know, did a rest up,
Speaker 14: and you know, we were so by the time you
Speaker 14: get to the border, it is what it is. So
Speaker 14: now we're all detained and questioned.
Speaker 11: Did we know he was there?
Speaker 14: Were we trying to bring drugs into Canada? I'm like,
Speaker 14: why would we do that? Your weed is way better?
Speaker 1: Why would we play our own?
Speaker 11: This is two thousand and what two at the time,
Speaker 11: two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what shot I didn't even
Speaker 1: know was y'all. I thought it was maybe Jill.
Speaker 10: Then he goes in the bus business.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 11: Well, get to a bus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then became a bus. First thing was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I drive out to a bus? He was like, nah,
Speaker 1: we call it. So there was a story. Never mind,
Speaker 1: So Michael Jackson.
Speaker 14: Right fast forwarding too. Yeah, we were detained. It was
Speaker 14: bad and questioned and.
Speaker 12: Yeah, this was a shot in the dark. I swear
Speaker 12: the guy didn't even know y'all. He said, we didn't
Speaker 12: do the show, and I was like, have you heard that.
Speaker 1: Story about I didn't know. Yeah, oh that's crazy. Okay
Speaker 1: to our stories? How easy is it when you're in
Speaker 1: a partnership.
Speaker 12: Now it's weird because with me and Tarique, like on music,
Speaker 12: he's lyrics or whatever. But in the fluw try situation,
Speaker 12: how do you guys come? Who navigates? Who's fifty one
Speaker 12: to forty nine?
Speaker 8: Who?
Speaker 14: Well, this is the thing. It's like chicken or the egg.
Speaker 14: And I never claimed it even though I initiated. Look,
Speaker 14: I have this buddy of music and song that if
Speaker 14: you paired up some poetry to this fantasize, it will
Speaker 14: make Tadah Flowa try so even in the studio, it's
Speaker 14: She'd never been in the studio at the time, so
Speaker 14: it was early touch jazzed. It was early what's the
Speaker 14: back room at Larry's Axis, it's doing bunches of demos
Speaker 14: with James and Victor and whoever else will come along
Speaker 14: and try and shape what was going through our heads.
Speaker 14: So me, I'd always been musically inclined, had already been
Speaker 14: writing songs, Like I said, If I was a Bird
Speaker 14: was written because of comply with me. Michael Jordan's like repeat,
Speaker 14: So all of these things that I'm showing up to
Speaker 14: these studios with, like Yo, I got this song called Sunshine,
Speaker 14: I have this, I have this, and we would go
Speaker 14: up and down. But a touch of jazz at that
Speaker 14: time had its own magic. So it was like fusing
Speaker 14: what we were so fresh in creating with other people's magic.
Speaker 14: So fresh off of Jill's first album, fresh off of
Speaker 14: Music's first album.
Speaker 11: So you have the Way Long Walk, just.
Speaker 14: Friends in one day, and I'm going okay, ABC rooms,
Speaker 14: bouncing from room to room and doing floetic the first day,
Speaker 14: do it headache, after that, running to Dray and Ye
Speaker 14: and going okay, videal play those chords again. Oh yeah,
Speaker 14: it's Ganley. Yeah that's all I'm gonna say. I'm a
Speaker 14: singer this hook and then you come in and it.
Speaker 11: Will literally be that.
Speaker 14: So I'd never even controlled It's it was always fifty
Speaker 14: to fifty to me. But everyone's like, as you wrote
Speaker 14: this whole song, she came in and did eight bar poem.
Speaker 14: I'm like, that part doesn't matter to me, you know.
Speaker 14: So as far as the magic of Flower Try, it
Speaker 14: was more than just about us when it came to
Speaker 14: a controlled studio environment on stage, it's the same dynamic.
Speaker 14: I could stand stage left and closed my eyes and
Speaker 14: sing for two hours, like, oh my god, that was amazing.
Speaker 11: I'm like, I didn't do anything.
Speaker 12: I meant I know that I know that someone's going
Speaker 12: to play an alpha role in I know that one
Speaker 12: should be diplomatic and it's a compromise and into relationship.
Speaker 12: It's almost it's like a marriage where how much power
Speaker 12: you have doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Or more equal than others.
Speaker 11: So I mean, because there were other factors to this.
Speaker 14: So the people that were there, whether that is dre
Speaker 14: and VI, whether is carbon Ivan or Keith, they're just
Speaker 14: going to be like Marlesh. You were in the studio grinding,
Speaker 14: you were writing and playing this music every day, coming
Speaker 14: with these ideas, every day, coming with a concept. So
Speaker 14: if that chimed in with a title cool, it will
Speaker 14: take on a life form of its own. Does that
Speaker 14: mean I own seventy thae?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Okay, all right, No, I just wanted to know how.
Speaker 14: But yeah, that's the dynamic only because I'm the musical,
Speaker 14: melodic end of it.
Speaker 11: But what comes with that is.
Speaker 12: Because I always think it's it's hard as hell starting
Speaker 12: business with someone that you were friends with first.
Speaker 11: Oh, it's horrific.
Speaker 14: It's horrific, and there's so much you don't take into account,
Speaker 14: thus it turning out the way it does for many,
Speaker 14: hopefully not for most, but for me it was the
Speaker 14: growing pains of oh, I have to live.
Speaker 11: Adult life dolo.
Speaker 14: Now I moved away from the UK, I've got to
Speaker 14: rely on my surroundings. And when people morph and changed
Speaker 14: into unrecognizable people, both spiritually and all the above, it's
Speaker 14: it's kind of like takes you back a little bit.
Speaker 8: And it was working with Touch of Jazz kind of
Speaker 8: like interesting in the sense that everybody in a Touch
Speaker 8: of Jazz is broken off into duos anyway, right, right,
Speaker 8: So then you get to kind of observe their dynamic too,
Speaker 8: Like you get to observe the dynamic of Dre and
Speaker 8: Vidal and what each one brings.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so, and they were also a unit.
Speaker 14: It's supposed to be a touch of Jazz to six
Speaker 14: of you, but you were two's anyway, so it was
Speaker 14: two splitting off into twos. So if one vibe with
Speaker 14: just Videal, it's just Vau or just Ray or you know,
Speaker 14: it was whatever, but you can press play on that
Speaker 14: music of that era, not only with Flow a Try,
Speaker 14: but with Jill's album, with Music's album, and hear what
Speaker 14: everyone was doing collectively like it's it was, Philly was
Speaker 14: on some shiit and I wasn't gonna leave like I
Speaker 14: was sold on Philly.
Speaker 1: So where what was your reaction when you first got
Speaker 1: the news that Michael Jackson was interested in one of
Speaker 1: your songs?
Speaker 11: Didn't believe it? You want to believe it? The thing
Speaker 11: was Jeff.
Speaker 14: We all went to Jeff had that other room opposite
Speaker 14: the sea room and the office, and I guess we'd
Speaker 14: all missed a phone call from MJ. They were referring
Speaker 14: to this guy as I like, who's MJ? First of all,
Speaker 14: not Michael Jackson. I'm not even putting that in my head.
Speaker 14: So Jeff is like, YO, you have to come listen
Speaker 14: to this. You have to come listen to this. So
Speaker 14: I listened to the answering machine that is Michael Jackson
Speaker 14: requesting that he work with whoever wrote this song. I'm
Speaker 14: in love with this song, Butterflies. It's my like, I
Speaker 14: really want this for my new project. You know, paraphrasing,
Speaker 14: of course, But did it?
Speaker 1: How did he hear?
Speaker 11: John McLean is like, but he's like, I don't know.
Speaker 11: It's like a viking, like.
Speaker 1: Like you're about the ninth John McQueen story.
Speaker 14: He's like a shadow but appears and creates magic and
Speaker 14: then disappears once again. So John McLean has a hold
Speaker 14: of this flow demo that gets us signed to DreamWorks,
Speaker 14: and he hears say yes and butterflies and goes those
Speaker 14: two are the two that are going to catapult this
Speaker 14: thing into the stratus fare. Mike wants this one though,
Speaker 14: and Denzel Washington at one point had say yes on repeating,
Speaker 14: was going to do something to it. I don't know,
Speaker 14: going to be going to be it was fresh off
Speaker 14: of giving me bleak Gillian vibes.
Speaker 11: But he had that he had to say yes before
Speaker 11: anybody has say yes.
Speaker 14: He was like, I don't care rights to my songs
Speaker 14: and say yes. Drey and myself did that. We wasn't
Speaker 14: even supposed to go to the studio. Jeff is like,
Speaker 14: I'm shutting the studio down. No, we can go, Dre,
Speaker 14: you get the key.
Speaker 11: Cool, let's go.
Speaker 14: And then that happens to be room in two minutes like, sorry,
Speaker 14: I'm not playing them cards again, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 14: just go cut it and then there's that.
Speaker 12: But if songs are your kids, were you slow to
Speaker 12: give it up or was it just like, Michael.
Speaker 11: Can adopt my kid?
Speaker 14: Michael absolutely can take this because I guess when I
Speaker 14: when I wrote Butterflies, Initially it was just piano based.
Speaker 14: I didn't add the you know, the Philly very dragged snack,
Speaker 14: you know, the behind the beat, which you hey, I'm
Speaker 14: never never gonna stay on this one. I'm gonna always
Speaker 14: be a millisecond behind, don't care. But when Dre added
Speaker 14: that flare to it, I'm like, Okay, I have this.
Speaker 14: I don't know I had the bridge cause like I
Speaker 14: played on it, and then Drey does what he does
Speaker 14: to it, so it's it's now Philadelphian.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 14: It made me feel like everything that I led up
Speaker 14: to get into Philadelphia, this is the demo that I wanted.
Speaker 14: So when Mike wants to do it, you give it
Speaker 14: to Mike, you do. And I thought this entire time
Speaker 14: that Jeff is playing as this answering machine. I thought
Speaker 14: it was Dre playing like yeah, I was like he
Speaker 14: played too much.
Speaker 11: I was like, you're lying.
Speaker 14: This is the best impression of Michael Jackson. I've ever
Speaker 14: heard in my life, and you shouldn't played.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know. You'd have to ask Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 11: Jeff with him anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even get fresh Yeah the first album.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, Jeff is the Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so how long was it from you getting that message?
Speaker 1: What happened? Yeah?
Speaker 12: How long was it from the phone call until when
Speaker 12: you're actually cutting his vocals?
Speaker 14: Well, he was recording with Rodney and yeah, from I
Speaker 14: guess that demo was done in September two thousand, so
Speaker 14: we worked March two thousand and one when he was
Speaker 14: finishing the album. Like Teddy Wiley's bus is parked outside
Speaker 14: the Hit factory here and when I was here in
Speaker 14: New York and I get there.
Speaker 11: And I'm telling Michael Jackson what to do Bar for bar.
Speaker 14: The only he ever hit was at the outro the
Speaker 14: outro ad libs on two outro ad lib tracks, and
Speaker 14: the first thing he did was Whisper Butterflies. He was
Speaker 14: so meticulous in wanting it to sound like the demo
Speaker 14: that he made me like, how do you do this?
Speaker 14: What was the harmony for this?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 11: How did you make it sound like that?
Speaker 1: And I remember when I heard the when I heard
Speaker 1: the dimmer. I was shocked. I was like, he pretty
Speaker 1: much did it like d lib note for note, I.
Speaker 14: Can say I vocally produced Michael Jackson into What Questlove
Speaker 14: Deans is one of his finest works of us.
Speaker 1: How long did that take?
Speaker 11: It was a week even. No, No, it's like the
Speaker 11: most worst. It's not a good job.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 11: I do hate it.
Speaker 14: But that watching him so excited and doing every layered harmony,
Speaker 14: having me do my harmonies over again, having Matt Cappy,
Speaker 14: Jeff Bradshaw do those horns again.
Speaker 1: It was just fun.
Speaker 14: It didn't feel like a week like we were with
Speaker 14: the kids. Paris and Prince were like yay high at
Speaker 14: the time, and we had Jezebel's sore food every day.
Speaker 1: It was great with you.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he's it's like Santa Claus, like warms my heart.
Speaker 14: And he kept calling me his sang and heifer Mike
Speaker 14: hear me. Mike kept saying, Michael Ja, Mike, you know you're.
Speaker 11: Calling her a cow, calling her a cow. Half is
Speaker 11: a cow? Stop calling her half?
Speaker 1: Bruce.
Speaker 11: I'm like, you can call me anything here. Yeah, that
Speaker 11: was just magic, Bruce and Mike in one studio.
Speaker 12: I know, he's a perfectionist, but can you even be
Speaker 12: objectionable when you're Can you say that was flat?
Speaker 1: Or yeah?
Speaker 14: Well, once I got into the groove of things, and
Speaker 14: at that time, it was the talk back button, and
Speaker 14: it was one more time, Mike, you're dragging.
Speaker 11: It's a little flat, little sharp time is straight?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 11: Breathe into that one elongate the note.
Speaker 1: It was, I was on it.
Speaker 10: If you look at you like okay, told.
Speaker 14: Michael Jackson, he asked me for permission to leave the
Speaker 14: studio one day or miss a day because he was
Speaker 14: being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 11: Didn't tell me that's why he couldn't make it. It
Speaker 11: was like, myrs, I just wanted to let you know
Speaker 11: that I just can't come into the studio today. Is
Speaker 11: that okay?
Speaker 14: And we have a lot of work to do. I
Speaker 14: was like, Mike, you can do whatever you want to
Speaker 14: do in life. You do not have to ask me
Speaker 14: permission for anything. And then he said he had this
Speaker 14: thing and then.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to score record.
Speaker 11: Excuse me. So I'm staying at you know, the Hudson Hotel.
Speaker 11: So those rooms are like lug cabin, wooden.
Speaker 14: Walls, and because of the lead up on VH one,
Speaker 14: they're showing everything Mike, so they're showing you know, James Brown,
Speaker 14: impersonating Mike through and through to remember the time, through
Speaker 14: and through to anything.
Speaker 11: I'm looking at, I'm like, this is the same.
Speaker 14: I go to the studio every day with this guy
Speaker 14: and a bit at that time, been in the studio
Speaker 14: with him every day for five days. And I the
Speaker 14: tears that I like, there's no tears of joy that
Speaker 14: I can express that I haven't cried like that. I
Speaker 14: don't even know what cry that was. But I was like,
Speaker 14: I'm not worthy. This makes me Quincy Jones, this makes
Speaker 14: me Paul McCartney. There's only a halful of people that
Speaker 14: can say they've done that, they've done something. But that though,
Speaker 14: and I always said I wanted to be Quincy Jones and.
Speaker 1: Not shade to the R word. Were you allowed to
Speaker 1: do it alone or were people over your shoulder as well?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 11: We were Dolo, was me, Dre and Chris. Yeah, I
Speaker 11: got the picture of him.
Speaker 14: I see them had a car, remember the two other engineers,
Speaker 14: but they were really Bruce, this is right hands but no,
Speaker 14: it was straight us.
Speaker 1: Nobody there the man's spleen or or.
Speaker 11: Nothing.
Speaker 8: How long did you talk to him afterwards? Like how
Speaker 8: does that relationship dissipate? Like it was cool, she was cool.
Speaker 14: So we were in New York for two weeks and
Speaker 14: then we mixed in l a spent you know, a
Speaker 14: couple of days on that that. He listens to everything
Speaker 14: way too loud. I couldn't handle it. Like see speakers vibrating,
Speaker 14: imagine your.
Speaker 11: Eyeballs doing that. That's how loud it was.
Speaker 14: Him and doctor Dre the loudest like playback I've ever
Speaker 14: experienced in my life.
Speaker 10: Michael Jackson and Dre.
Speaker 1: And that's just like.
Speaker 11: There's a lot going on. It's a lie.
Speaker 10: So got I had a moment because you don't be
Speaker 10: having a moment you were.
Speaker 8: You just step aside for a second and understand what
Speaker 8: you're doing and be present in the moment, Like, oh,
Speaker 8: you don't.
Speaker 1: Hate being sentimental. I know you think you're gonna break
Speaker 1: me on it's gonna break me down on.
Speaker 6: His own show in those earrings.
Speaker 14: That was my way of giving I can't be sensitive
Speaker 14: in the moment because I'm a parent now.
Speaker 11: No, seriously, it's emotional. It is highly emotional and.
Speaker 12: I think that's a that's awesome I think for him.
Speaker 12: I mean, of course, yeah, I wish he was still
Speaker 12: here making music. But if that has to be his
Speaker 12: swan song of a single, I mean that's his last
Speaker 12: living single it is, then that's that's a way to
Speaker 12: go out for me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, justin nothing, justin John, I'm just.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 1: I like that song. But he did that in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one.
Speaker 10: And not to Drake one either because whatever.
Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, that's posthumous, like Butterflies is his last released
Speaker 12: single as he's living on his last album. When did
Speaker 12: the Acon Joints come out? But that was going to
Speaker 12: be starting something the whole my hand. Yeah, it takes
Speaker 12: it official. Yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away from.
Speaker 14: You know what, between Mike and Prince, there was the
Speaker 14: most unrealistic like deaths as far as celebrities that I
Speaker 14: just never saw life without them.
Speaker 7: Me and Fante were in Atlanta or no, you weren't there.
Speaker 7: I wasn't there, so you called me. I was in
Speaker 7: Atlanta to do a Prints party and it ended up
Speaker 7: turning to a Michael Jackson party.
Speaker 1: Really crazy because he came because Michael was I don't know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike died he was there. Nice s wrong the whole deeper, deeper.
Speaker 11: J that's what you said.
Speaker 1: Okay, So.
Speaker 12: What were your what were the the moves uh that
Speaker 12: prompted you to finally come with your your your solo
Speaker 12: phase of your career?
Speaker 11: Mm hmm too many things.
Speaker 12: Is this something that you can step away from and
Speaker 12: maybe we'll get back together in three.
Speaker 11: Years or oh no, it was split dead done so when.
Speaker 3: We did so when we did the show, because we
Speaker 3: did a show together like this was like twenty fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: was that just a show and then.
Speaker 1: That was it?
Speaker 14: That was crazy. But the reuniting of what was dead
Speaker 14: end of six. So flow Tree really only existed from
Speaker 14: what nineteen nine, ninety eight, ninety nine till two thousand
Speaker 14: and six, officially and making our mark clearly in Philadelphia
Speaker 14: where it catapulted, but by ways of Atlanta of course,
Speaker 14: Ying Yang Cafe, Black Lily gets signed wherever Mike in
Speaker 14: two thousand and one, Floet It comes in two thousand
Speaker 14: and two. We tour four years, but then we did
Speaker 14: two albums, well technically three because we did the live
Speaker 14: album Fluicism in two thousand and three. Then Flowology comes
Speaker 14: two thousand and five, two thousand and six, it was dead.
Speaker 1: So then what was the Amanda, are you going to
Speaker 1: why you're looking why you're looking at I'm ready are
Speaker 1: going to ask I forgot about that question.
Speaker 14: So that happened by ways of management. So I'm still
Speaker 14: signed that Geffen DreamWorks dissolved, and that turns into Okay,
Speaker 14: we'll keep these three artists from that label and turn
Speaker 14: you over to Geffen into Scope, one of which was Flowistry,
Speaker 14: So we're now we're into Scope. I have the relationship
Speaker 14: that I have with One Fair and Jimmy Ivan, and
Speaker 14: they're very much into Okay, Flowology is this album. Superstar
Speaker 14: is the single What's next? So I'm like, we'll make
Speaker 14: going to and make another album.
Speaker 11: Cool.
Speaker 14: Fast forward to management on r N. Jay Irving, who
Speaker 14: was Flow choose manager that entire time. Nat doesn't want
Speaker 14: him to manage her anymore. She's now got this boyfriend
Speaker 14: at the time managing her, who poses, so it's kind
Speaker 14: of like, you know, it's like, you know where they
Speaker 14: So we're talking about being young women that have come
Speaker 14: up in this industry.
Speaker 11: You think it's going to be one way.
Speaker 14: People have their own agendas, and he was clearly steering
Speaker 14: her in the wrong way. So once he gave an
Speaker 14: ultimatum with Geffen that if they don't offer.
Speaker 11: Her a solo deal, they're walking.
Speaker 14: Jimmy I been and Rounfair say okay, yeah, which is
Speaker 14: kind of what I mean. It was no one was
Speaker 14: there was there was no room to call any bluffs here,
Speaker 14: like you didn't have a leg to stand on going
Speaker 14: in there for that what that was we're talking about
Speaker 14: Gwen Stefani here.
Speaker 11: This is nothing that they were checking for.
Speaker 14: There were ways to go about whatever it is that
Speaker 14: you wanted, and it was just done the absolutely wrong way.
Speaker 14: So once management was one sided for Flower Try it
Speaker 14: was okay walk. Now we're no longer. Now we're missing
Speaker 14: a member. I'm still signed and obligated. Well, what I
Speaker 14: thought at the time was obligated to fulfill this contract
Speaker 14: in order to get out of it.
Speaker 11: So I'm stuck with Geffen and they want to do
Speaker 11: a to all.
Speaker 14: So the idea was get a standing, So management says, well,
Speaker 14: a friend of a management thanks, Ryan says, I know
Speaker 14: this chick. Amanda Will was a manager at the time.
Speaker 14: Amanda Sales and we meet hit it off immediately. I'm
Speaker 14: like all right, cool, this is what it's about to be.
Speaker 14: But the layers too, That is, you don't have a
Speaker 14: level of understanding of what you what effect you have
Speaker 14: on people until you're presented with that. So when you're
Speaker 14: on tour and you're standing there with what was people's flowatry,
Speaker 14: and it's like, well, who's this? I can't help what people.
Speaker 1: Do to that.
Speaker 14: So it was a lot of negativity from fans at first.
Speaker 14: That turns into Amanda turning on me.
Speaker 11: It's your phone. I'm like, listen, do you know what
Speaker 11: happened in order for you to stand there right now?
Speaker 14: I know your tears are warranted on your end, but
Speaker 14: you don't have a floaty tier to drop right now.
Speaker 14: You don't understand what I've been through to do this.
Speaker 14: So it's like I kind of want to I wanted
Speaker 14: to pull out hair. I'm ready to fight.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 14: It was bad, but it was bad for several reasons,
Speaker 14: and that was just that one summer tour. So oh no, no, no, no, Well,
Speaker 14: because me and Amanda were recorded a bunch of songs
Speaker 14: like just they wanted to hear flowtry songs too, so
Speaker 14: it was like exactly, So the tour was very much
Speaker 14: Flowerty songs embellished a little bit, and then that was that.
Speaker 14: So that was two thousand and seven Flower Try Remixed Tour.
Speaker 14: And after that was deaded, I had to get legal
Speaker 14: to step in to make sure that my paperwork was
Speaker 14: straight and I wasn't obligated to get a R in
Speaker 14: the scope anymore on that end, And once that was cool,
Speaker 14: I was done.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 14: Good old Peter Edge that was then A and r
Speaker 14: J Records and a fellow brit I felt like the
Speaker 14: right move and I.
Speaker 11: Was welcomed with open arms. And there's late nights and
Speaker 11: early mornings.
Speaker 1: Wow. So the very strong hope she cheat on you
Speaker 1: with the basketball? Oh about that?
Speaker 11: I you streamed.
Speaker 14: One late night and I freestyled that I was playing
Speaker 14: the chords and we were joking about something and I
Speaker 14: was like, oh, you should record it.
Speaker 1: So I did.
Speaker 14: Came to New York and KNI by ways of just
Speaker 14: Blaze did that record together, and before I knew it
Speaker 14: was on the radio. I didn't even know that was
Speaker 14: going to.
Speaker 8: What do you think about all those theories about what
Speaker 8: the song was about, because you know, the blogs were
Speaker 8: talking there were theories about I hope she teaches you
Speaker 8: on you with a basketball player.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there was a theory that it was a boat
Speaker 10: on shoot. Now I'm going to put people's how do.
Speaker 1: You do this?
Speaker 10: How do the quest level?
Speaker 8: There was a theory that it was about an artist
Speaker 8: that you knew that you were affiliated, who had cheated
Speaker 8: with your a friend of your These are two males
Speaker 8: and they were friends, and they were working with each
Speaker 8: other and once slept with the others. That's the facts, okay,
Speaker 8: And then they had to fight at your at your
Speaker 8: gym session, grabar party.
Speaker 10: Oh, it was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I need to smoke signals. I need I'm lost.
Speaker 10: Because I know you know.
Speaker 14: You on stage and you gave me the look because
Speaker 14: that was the year you wanted to infuse.
Speaker 11: I think I did like a Josy feen in Mary
Speaker 11: j f or something like.
Speaker 1: I didn't eyes that that was inspired from that. What
Speaker 1: was going on?
Speaker 11: That was age.
Speaker 1: It was scary. It was scary.
Speaker 8: It was It was scary because you know your boy
Speaker 8: from Baltimore. You know what I'm saying, your other boy,
Speaker 8: he not knowing the fight, So I was like, please
Speaker 8: don't kill him, like.
Speaker 1: Because and he was just a friend.
Speaker 10: Yes, he was just a friend. Don't you say a name.
Speaker 1: I was just.
Speaker 10: Yes, Mario who fought.
Speaker 11: Stories.
Speaker 14: And everyone's like, oh, mysh, what happened with such and such.
Speaker 14: It's just it's not only just me that was there.
Speaker 14: That didn't happen, you lion, No, we were all all
Speaker 14: saw it.
Speaker 10: So you can google it, just look up Mario.
Speaker 11: But that's exactly what really.
Speaker 1: It was on YouTube.
Speaker 10: It was on it was news.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Okay, let me see Christmas time
Speaker 1: with and this is what happens.
Speaker 14: I I call people anytime I'm doing an interview. I
Speaker 14: was like, you know, I run my mouth like, this
Speaker 14: is this is all of it. It's not about you.
Speaker 14: This is never shade. This is just facts.
Speaker 11: So if you want to heal, you can't heal what
Speaker 11: you don't reveal.
Speaker 10: You cannot heal if you don't reveal, So.
Speaker 1: Then don't heal. Just don't reveal keyloids.
Speaker 14: My mother almost tortured me with pictures of keyloids, saying
Speaker 14: that I would never get my ears pissed and fear
Speaker 14: that that.
Speaker 11: Was going to happen to me.
Speaker 10: I got something from the chicken pox.
Speaker 11: I see, it's not right.
Speaker 1: It's really where this conversation, I don't know. He out
Speaker 1: Keloyds is what happened when you heal too much. Don't
Speaker 1: gossip about other people's business right.
Speaker 10: Here, I'm sorry late nice early mornings.
Speaker 1: So that's how Late Night Chasing Clouds is.
Speaker 14: Like Science Michigan produced I record, and I remember hearing
Speaker 14: Science and all of his production and I was like,
Speaker 14: I want that. It was so cinematic and it makes
Speaker 14: me cry. I can't even perform that song. It's just
Speaker 14: so like never ending story on top of foul call.
Speaker 3: I remember, I wish I remember before it, before the
Speaker 3: album came out, we were doing the show. It was
Speaker 3: for an exchange and we were doing the show and
Speaker 3: maybe it was Baltimore, but anyway, we were doing the
Speaker 3: show and we were all hanging out at the hotel
Speaker 3: and you were playing me early stuff late night, like
Speaker 3: before I came out. You had all these jams on
Speaker 3: your laptop and you had a jam called first Position.
Speaker 1: This is how Petty Marsh is and I love it.
Speaker 3: She has a jam like she would be playing her
Speaker 3: I think you said that you were playing your cousin
Speaker 3: brother like with like brand.
Speaker 11: PlayStation.
Speaker 3: So it's a racing game and so she beat the
Speaker 3: nigga and she recorded a jam called First Position.
Speaker 1: So she be.
Speaker 14: Like, it's like, it's like if Freddie Mercury with Phil
Speaker 14: Collins drum intro came and just did like Bohemian rats, straight,
Speaker 14: very loud harmony in flash Gordon's about to.
Speaker 11: Marry Dale or something.
Speaker 1: It's just like a short little snippet you'll play with.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 11: My favorite, so putting it out there.
Speaker 14: I don't know what video game it could be synonymous with,
Speaker 14: but First Position.
Speaker 1: Is He'll make you feel like.
Speaker 11: Place.
Speaker 1: I love that. I never forgot that.
Speaker 11: That is incredible.
Speaker 1: Wait. Also Far Away was on the Yeah, that was Yes,
Speaker 1: that's late.
Speaker 11: Night morning to that video. Yeah, shut and where was
Speaker 11: that across the wall Edgewood, New Jersey.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was proud when you did that video. That
Speaker 10: was dope for the community.
Speaker 1: Just curious, how did you look up Sterling Sterling Sims
Speaker 1: for that record?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 14: I'd known Sterling through Ivan Barias, who introduced when he
Speaker 14: was doing Yeah, I never noticed.
Speaker 1: I never knew.
Speaker 14: Because ambrosious, but I don't know sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: Wait you're ambrosius? Wait wait wait, I'm getting it was
Speaker 1: five seconds old when I just.
Speaker 11: Learned, so you've been saying ambrocious, that's the merit.
Speaker 1: Guy, Ambrosia.
Speaker 11: Well, this lady in the mall called me, I'm Burrows,
Speaker 11: you know again.
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, I've been saying it right
Speaker 1: for ten years, thinking I've been saying it wrong.
Speaker 11: He got it here with it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 11: Atarling was in what was Mike MacArthur in them studio
Speaker 11: home cooking, Home Cooking.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it was a home cooking upstairs and they had
Speaker 14: that basketball court in there, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 14: Philly kids work with him. Then when I went to Atlanta,
Speaker 14: we were working together, and then we just ended up
Speaker 14: doing a whole bunch of sessions and we're in la
Speaker 14: at the time, and.
Speaker 8: I was like, well in La.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So I was like far Away, I have a hook,
Speaker 14: I have a verse one. I was like, hit this
Speaker 14: verse two, hit verse two, and then tell that far Away.
Speaker 1: How did you you covered? Uh? Well, I knew if
Speaker 1: Lauren's version lose myself, how did how did that? So?
Speaker 14: I love the song and I remember Peter Rech and
Speaker 14: myself had the conversation. It was like I need to
Speaker 14: hear this song, and I was like, I know it.
Speaker 14: I said, you're talking about Lauren Hill happy. I said,
Speaker 14: you listening to this lyrically? He was like, yo, if
Speaker 14: you slow this down kind of sold it out to
Speaker 14: do an uptemper version of it.
Speaker 11: I was like yeah. I was like, I'd love Lauren
Speaker 11: to do that. I said, no, you do that, and
Speaker 11: I was like okay.
Speaker 14: And then I went through a bunch of production ideas,
Speaker 14: and because CANi and I had, you know, built a
Speaker 14: rapport at that time doing hope she cheats and you
Speaker 14: know other things, it was okay, let's do let's do this.
Speaker 11: Ended up doing this myself.
Speaker 1: So how did you develop your relationship with doctor dre So?
Speaker 1: And I feel like.
Speaker 12: I've heard the story from a comrade of ours shoringy
Speaker 12: shout out to Schorngy.
Speaker 1: He was just like, yo, man, doctor dre is like
Speaker 1: obsessed with Marshall. That's his favorite singer of all time? Like, so,
Speaker 1: how did how did? How did?
Speaker 14: It's crazy because of other people that have worked with him,
Speaker 14: it was like I might be the only artist period
Speaker 14: that can go in there and do what I want.
Speaker 11: I'm like, dre this is good.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, no, I've heard that. I've heard it
Speaker 1: from other people.
Speaker 3: This, yeah, so you'll make everybody do something like a
Speaker 3: million times with Marsh's like okay, like it's good.
Speaker 14: It's like just add more backgrounds in there. A couple
Speaker 14: of others like cool. So he came to a Flowatry show.
Speaker 14: He came to the Roxy in La on Sunset, small
Speaker 14: little dingy Roxy and we were doing a double gig. Oh,
Speaker 14: this was a wild night. So it's doctor Dre, Swizz Beats,
Speaker 14: A couple of other people came to the first half,
Speaker 14: and Prince comes to the second show.
Speaker 11: So it was just a wild night. But we get
Speaker 11: back on the tour bus and I get Jay.
Speaker 14: Jay Irving says, you know, You've got a phone call
Speaker 14: and it's Dre's people saying they want me to come.
Speaker 11: Through to the studio. So this is like oh earlier six.
Speaker 11: So I'm like, you know what, Sure go over there
Speaker 11: and I cut a record called Mama's House. Like one take.
Speaker 14: He played me this beat him and Mark Batson. Yeah,
Speaker 14: Mark Batson and him did this track.
Speaker 11: And I was like, what is this?
Speaker 14: Put me in the booth because I felt like I
Speaker 14: had something to prove it's Dre. I was like, I'm
Speaker 14: not about to fund this up, put me in the
Speaker 14: booth and he was like, you got something already to this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 14: So then after that, after that demo, we were just
Speaker 14: cool and then clearly did the stuff with the game
Speaker 14: with Bus and then it turns into do a project
Speaker 14: over there. I'm like, yeah, But from that I built
Speaker 14: the relationships that I have with you know, his other
Speaker 14: team of producers, one of which Focus, And that's how we.
Speaker 1: Got how many people in Jay's Dre's click Like, is
Speaker 1: it steroids?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 11: Not really.
Speaker 14: He's very contained and it will be like, okay, I'm
Speaker 14: banging with this sonically and stay there. So it's really
Speaker 14: two or three people that will stay in rotation at
Speaker 14: one time. But Focus has been and still is and
Speaker 14: will remain to be the most consistent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Focuses, that was how I really.
Speaker 3: I mean because I knew you of course, like from
Speaker 3: Floydri and stuff, but like when you and Focus started
Speaker 3: working together, me and him was doing stuff at the
Speaker 3: time and he was playing me stuff. It was the
Speaker 3: first mixtape y'all did, right, yours truly, yours truly.
Speaker 14: We have a ten year anniversary coming out. That's ten
Speaker 14: years ago. Yeah, that's crazy, but yeah, what the fuck.
Speaker 14: So I still bump that mixtape still Sunshine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, damn. We did do something that record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did it, a little Brother Marshall record called Sunshine.
Speaker 1: This was God.
Speaker 14: That was ten years That was ten years ago and
Speaker 14: still bangs like yeah, So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: And then who's the conceptualizer of friends and Lovers? Because me,
Speaker 1: I do all of my albums songs. That's my favorite.
Speaker 1: That's the one for me.
Speaker 14: Pop and oak Well Pop oak Flip produced that. We
Speaker 14: did that at Sigma Sounds in Philly. Well, what was
Speaker 14: Sigma Sounds?
Speaker 11: That's so sad.
Speaker 14: And the music just got me gone, right the building,
Speaker 14: I think it's gone. The building is gone twelve and
Speaker 14: what's that twelve?
Speaker 10: And racing was gone?
Speaker 1: So you and I was, I don't know.
Speaker 11: The music just sounded sad. It sounded very throwback.
Speaker 14: I pictured the Jackson five singing the hook and then
Speaker 14: this chick on a train like I'm gonna go tell
Speaker 14: him I love him, but I know he about to
Speaker 14: get married.
Speaker 11: But I'm just have to tell him to get off
Speaker 11: of my chest.
Speaker 14: Repercussions and repercussions, and I did so conceptually, that was
Speaker 14: the story that I wanted to have for that.
Speaker 1: But I love that song Thank You.
Speaker 8: It's this is the real story of y'all two getting together,
Speaker 8: as as interested as all these songs.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, our stories.
Speaker 10: We're talking.
Speaker 1: Song?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 10: I'm like, which song I thought we were.
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 10: Sorry?
Speaker 11: Sorry, you have to know how to get there?
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry, other songs on the album, you go
Speaker 1: for it?
Speaker 10: What else is on that? We spend all my time?
Speaker 10: Oh my god, Charlie.
Speaker 14: Now my aunt passed away from cancer, and I remember
Speaker 14: my cousins hitting me like, oh, she's good, she's doing good,
Speaker 14: she's in remission. Oh it came back, but it's not
Speaker 14: that bad. And over a two month, three month period,
Speaker 14: it went from being okay to really know being okay,
Speaker 14: Like in the blink of an I felt like and
Speaker 14: I was like, you know what, you can't get time back.
Speaker 14: Everyone's like, I don't want to spend all my time
Speaker 14: with you. So it was never about there's no money
Speaker 14: for this. I don't have the budget that would take
Speaker 14: to heal you from cancer. You haven't and there's nothing
Speaker 14: we could do. Whether I had a trillion dollars or
Speaker 14: a buck in the account, there was nothing I could
Speaker 14: do so it was like, you know, I just want.
Speaker 11: To spend all my time with you.
Speaker 10: Charlie Wilson was your.
Speaker 14: Yeah, only choice. It was original, just just me on
Speaker 14: the track. I was like, if I had someone has
Speaker 14: to be uncle Charlie.
Speaker 12: You ever watching warm up his voice before he listen?
Speaker 12: Have you ever seen him do this person? He did
Speaker 12: a little bit.
Speaker 1: He love it.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but that's that's maintenance, Like he plays no games,
Speaker 14: like he sounds like records on records on records.
Speaker 3: And he don't sing in the session unless it's at
Speaker 3: least seventy two degrees something. We don't sing, no air conditioning,
Speaker 3: Charlie Wilson, session.
Speaker 1: Everything, Charlie.
Speaker 14: So yeah, I spend all the time. They're the emotional songs.
Speaker 14: So what are we getting at here? What's this going?
Speaker 10: It was a point.
Speaker 1: Take care shoes sixty nine.
Speaker 10: You want to do a freaking one? Yeah, we do
Speaker 10: a freaky one?
Speaker 1: So what is the story?
Speaker 3: Where's the story with you and your husband? And then
Speaker 3: we can kind of feel in Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: sixty NFL good segue.
Speaker 14: We don't know martial like sex like it's cool. No,
Speaker 14: I had a wild dream that I was a stripper, okay.
Speaker 14: Within that week that I was recording with the interns
Speaker 14: so Too and Coase. At the time, we're on this
Speaker 14: very much sexual wave and I.
Speaker 11: Was like, you know what, I have something for that
Speaker 11: I don't think people expected from me.
Speaker 1: So it was.
Speaker 11: Six ten nine, but it was really like, I don't know.
Speaker 14: I was like, if Vanity six or Apolloni six did
Speaker 14: a song in what was that twenty fourteen, I think
Speaker 14: it would have been.
Speaker 11: At six Tina.
Speaker 1: It was just like cute. I just thought it was cute.
Speaker 11: It was very light work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very cute.
Speaker 11: It was it was nice kissing fuck, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I didn't want it to be an interlude. It was
Speaker 11: an entire song.
Speaker 14: And then they were like, oh, it's two acoustic guitar
Speaker 14: is because it's an acoustic guitar and vocalist.
Speaker 11: Why does it have to do anything else other than
Speaker 11: But I was like, you know what, I'll make it
Speaker 11: a universe and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cute.
Speaker 12: So talk about the transition, because I know that this
Speaker 12: album was released on is it this your own.
Speaker 1: Label or yeah?
Speaker 14: So have our own situation Human Resources jeving our label,
Speaker 14: and we partnered with E one for NYLA. So transitioning
Speaker 14: from what we're friends of Lovers on A well, I
Speaker 14: wanted it to be Jay Records, and then that dissolves
Speaker 14: and it becomes RCA, and then half the industry assigned
Speaker 14: to that label, and it's I don't I can't do
Speaker 14: Hamster Wheels anymore. And I remember Prince just being like, yo,
Speaker 14: we just go independent.
Speaker 11: I'm like, I don't know, I'm scared.
Speaker 14: Go independent. Yeah, going, so thank you Prince. Then once
Speaker 14: I was cleared, I was like, you know what, now
Speaker 14: I can just create. Now I don't have to I
Speaker 14: want to. And that spawned the idea for NYLA because
Speaker 14: Friends and Lovers I was in a before I met you, bab.
Speaker 14: Friends of Lovers was tough because I had to admit
Speaker 14: that nothing was good for me, nothing, whether that was
Speaker 14: the relationship I was in the things that I was
Speaker 14: holding onto.
Speaker 11: This industry that's full of.
Speaker 14: Yes men and women and full of open bars and
Speaker 14: anything that's to you, you can have it. And if
Speaker 14: you just say yes to everything, like who are you really?
Speaker 14: So I was struggling. Yeah, I was definitely struggling a
Speaker 14: little bit. And then I had to center myself and
Speaker 14: go you know what, whatever I really want, I just
Speaker 14: want to be happy. The one I was decided on
Speaker 14: my own happiness is when everything fell into place. More importantly,
Speaker 14: forgiveness and the whole flowtry situation was something that was
Speaker 14: deaded at such a step in two thousand and six.
Speaker 14: It weighed heavy on me throughout that entire time between
Speaker 14: six and twenty fourteen. So twenty fourteen rolls around and
Speaker 14: I say, you know what, I'm gonna forgive. So reached
Speaker 14: out to Nat, said, look what's up. It would be
Speaker 14: good for the fans. Let's just reconnect. And that was
Speaker 14: my way of getting that weight off of my back.
Speaker 14: And once we did twenty fifteen, that first tour, that's
Speaker 14: when we did the show. My husband though here it
Speaker 14: was a part of the tour, and I didn't know.
Speaker 14: I just kept seeing this very consistent, fine chocolate face
Speaker 14: and body, and it's like, who.
Speaker 8: Is out?
Speaker 1: Let's anyway?
Speaker 11: No keep that going?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 11: I was like, he's fine, fine, like Ralph Angel, Queen Sugar, fine,
Speaker 11: Like who is that?
Speaker 1: But can he talk louder than Ralph Angel? Yeah?
Speaker 11: It's very very.
Speaker 1: Watch everything subtitles, you.
Speaker 11: Know what I say?
Speaker 14: The other day he's like you know Christian Bell does
Speaker 14: his Batman voy ye that he's gonna stopped, but I
Speaker 14: think it's good for that current Don Ralph angels that.
Speaker 11: Anyway. Desmond, Yeah, back to dead let's go.
Speaker 14: He was wearing this red fitted and I was backstage
Speaker 14: and I was like, who is this? It's like, oh,
Speaker 14: my role managem. Mitch was like, I told you, I'm
Speaker 14: bringing someone else on the tour, you know you and
Speaker 14: I was traveling separately, like he's gonna cover that side
Speaker 14: of things. I'm gonna cover you. I was like, oh,
Speaker 14: so he's on the tour, so I'm gonna see him
Speaker 14: married day.
Speaker 1: Okay. Cool.
Speaker 14: So that's what right about this last week of June
Speaker 14: apparently twenty fifteen, So apparently we met in an elevator
Speaker 14: in Cleveland, Ohio, and I didn't say hello or I
Speaker 14: kind of gave him the brush up.
Speaker 1: Y'all did the whole tour and didn't Oh no, no.
Speaker 11: Wait wait wait, So June fifteen it was because he
Speaker 11: was Game six.
Speaker 14: Okay, I was going to Game six Caves versus worries.
Speaker 11: That was on my mind.
Speaker 14: I wasn't taking no one, no, no, no. So I
Speaker 14: am still having issues with the whole flowtry situation. I
Speaker 14: was like, Wow, nothing will ever change, but you know
Speaker 14: what this is for me. This isn't about nothing else
Speaker 14: but for me. So I'm gonna go through it. Watch
Speaker 14: game six caves lose worries when Andrea goodal MVPs very bizarre.
Speaker 14: Fast forward to that last week and I'm like, you
Speaker 14: know what, I'm just gonna say, what's up? So I approached, Yeah,
Speaker 14: look at the risks.
Speaker 10: Still there.
Speaker 1: So so.
Speaker 14: I initiated the conversation and it was very much you know,
Speaker 14: yes or no answers, and I'm like, okay, we get
Speaker 14: to Norfolk, Virginia.
Speaker 12: Though uh.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Virginia is for loving Virginia.
Speaker 14: I love you because at the North the actual venue,
Speaker 14: they have a basketball court upstairs and a spar jakoozie
Speaker 14: and a great upright piano in the room, but more
Speaker 14: importantly a basketball court. And I saw him taking a
Speaker 14: couple of shots and I was like, oh, I.
Speaker 11: Play, you know exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So that night.
Speaker 11: Everything in Norfolk was closed. Why is everything closed eleven
Speaker 11: or something crazy? So I wanted to.
Speaker 14: Grab a bite to eat. I texted him and said, Yo,
Speaker 14: you wanted me to be down in the lobby off.
Speaker 10: Did you beat him the game?
Speaker 14: No, we didn't play, said no, and our holds up
Speaker 14: there and all of my show outfit and high heels.
Speaker 14: Was like, oh, so he checked the form and stuff
Speaker 14: and then rolled and then I texted him and said, yeah,
Speaker 14: you want to go grab something to eat?
Speaker 11: Everything's closed, mind you. So we walk from what is
Speaker 11: downtown It's that more right there next to the river.
Speaker 14: We ended up with the cookout listen to cookout, Milkshakeshake.
Speaker 1: Cookout.
Speaker 14: It was it was like a three hour, four hour walk,
Speaker 14: but it was corny too. We ran through sprinklers. It
Speaker 14: was very, very wrong com made for TV. Lifetime could
Speaker 14: have got a Netflix still would have been like a
Speaker 14: you know, a limited series and HBO.
Speaker 11: We went X rated. So that night I remember calling
Speaker 11: my mother. He broke me back to my room.
Speaker 14: We got the burgers and talked about love life, god, everything, believes, dreams, aspirations,
Speaker 14: and I was like, Mom, I've met the one.
Speaker 11: He's the one I'm telling you. She was like, well,
Speaker 11: what happened?
Speaker 1: I was like, we kissed.
Speaker 11: She was like a memoir. I was like, that's it.
Speaker 11: I was like, who do you think I am waiting for?
Speaker 11: This elaborate, dirty story.
Speaker 14: I was like, this is the date, this is like
Speaker 14: the first date, so technically, and then by the time
Speaker 14: we go to Philly a week later, we were doing it.
Speaker 1: Well I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 11: It's just the most wonderful time of the wonderful So yeah,
Speaker 11: but we can.
Speaker 14: We get to Philly and we're doing it, and I
Speaker 14: guess at that point the whole tour, you know, every musician,
Speaker 14: every bad memory.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, you have to understand that he's literally sitting like
Speaker 1: a yard heard.
Speaker 12: He knows it's the most wonderful time of the year.
Speaker 12: I can this platform to talk about microphone quar.
Speaker 1: It. No, no, I don't want to you know, infrared
Speaker 1: uh beam.
Speaker 14: Well, we finished that tour on my birthday actually, and
Speaker 14: August eighth, we were in Maryland a thing, or might
Speaker 14: even Baltimore. So do that show and find out that,
Speaker 14: you know, we both live in LA and said, when
Speaker 14: we get back to LA, you know, let's not make
Speaker 14: this just a tour, like make this the thing thing.
Speaker 14: So my dad was in town. I flew my dad
Speaker 14: out and my sister and my stepmother and they're staying
Speaker 14: at my place in l A. And I was like, Dad,
Speaker 14: I have someone I want you to meet already, but
Speaker 14: it just happened that my dad was staying in LA
Speaker 14: for that couple of days.
Speaker 11: So I was like, do you know what is going
Speaker 11: to happen?
Speaker 14: I'm a fall in love and what's going to be
Speaker 14: weird is if I come home for Christmas. You know,
Speaker 14: from August eighth through to December. I said, I don't
Speaker 14: want to come home in December with someone. You guys,
Speaker 14: what's this guy wanting to meet him now? Because I
Speaker 14: just know so, Daddy, but that's weird and weird. He
Speaker 14: wasn't weird, no, because I met his mother day one
Speaker 14: because we were picking her up and his other auntie
Speaker 14: from a concert.
Speaker 11: I remember what concert that was, like the o Jays.
Speaker 1: Something said, aunt.
Speaker 14: We walk around the house just just periodically, like blurting out,
Speaker 14: like you have to for anybody's auntie.
Speaker 11: So yeah, shout outs to Ken and yeah.
Speaker 14: We moved in about September fifteen and went home for Christmas.
Speaker 14: We went back to the UK for like a month
Speaker 14: because we did a floaty show out there, and then
Speaker 14: he met my entire family, like straight Liverpool strong scouse accents,
Speaker 14: like it was this marshal you moved to America eighteen
Speaker 14: years ago and we haven't seen one fellow.
Speaker 11: Who's this I'm still I put on an accent just
Speaker 11: to make you.
Speaker 10: Give us a proper version.
Speaker 14: This is like a hybrid I've lived in I used
Speaker 14: to live. I hate marm anyway, I hate I hate football,
Speaker 14: and well I'm from Liverpool, so Liverpool, come on, you
Speaker 14: Reds can't be Everton.
Speaker 11: It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 14: But yeah, I'm I'm I'm okay, No, not really, because
Speaker 14: I do mince pies at Christmas.
Speaker 11: I love that.
Speaker 14: I love a good old custard with a nice sponge cake.
Speaker 14: I love tea and biscuits, bangers and bank as a mash.
Speaker 14: I love Shepherd's pie.
Speaker 1: A mash see is good night?
Speaker 11: So we have nothing else?
Speaker 10: Do we get what we so?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 14: And then well fast forward to after that Christmas. We
Speaker 14: get back April. We're about to go on the second
Speaker 14: reuniting a flowtry because popular demand wants us to go
Speaker 14: on tour again. Those guarantees came in. I looked at
Speaker 14: them and said that we can do this within the year.
Speaker 14: What about house babe, Let's go went back out on tour.
Speaker 14: Because it's our job and our career and against everything
Speaker 14: I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah, So we did flow
Speaker 14: Try again twenty sixteen, which would be the last.
Speaker 11: But one week into that tour we find out we're pregnant.
Speaker 11: So if you've played at Yoshi's before in Oakland, so
Speaker 11: you do two shows a night.
Speaker 14: We did two shows the night at Yoshi's, four days
Speaker 14: back to back to start the tour. So the first
Speaker 14: date was in Sacramento and we were on a flight
Speaker 14: on the way there and Des, my husband collapsed on
Speaker 14: this flight, like we had an early Black Girl's work
Speaker 14: was in New Jersey. We taped that got on an
Speaker 14: early flight to get to the first Floaty show.
Speaker 11: Hadn't really eaten. I think that's what it was. We
Speaker 11: just didn't eat.
Speaker 14: But he collapsed on this plane that they were about
Speaker 14: to land. It in the middle of nowhere, and I
Speaker 14: guess there was a nurse on the flight that assisted
Speaker 14: kind of made sure everything was okay. They took us
Speaker 14: blood pressure and when we googled it, pregnant women come up.
Speaker 14: So I'm like, whatever, and this is early, so this
Speaker 14: is like the first couple of days Aprils might have
Speaker 14: been April second so we do that showing Sacramento. He's
Speaker 14: now healthy, everything is okay. We do Yoshi's four days
Speaker 14: back to back, get to l A, and we're playing
Speaker 14: The Wilton that night. So what it was we were
Speaker 14: flying for the first week, and then we were getting
Speaker 14: on a tour bus. So I decided to do a
Speaker 14: pregnancy test for fear that I would just be on
Speaker 14: this tour bus stick out on my mind if I
Speaker 14: was pregnant. I wasn't taking it, like I'm pregnant, just
Speaker 14: check it. So we did an interview with a popular
Speaker 14: blog site, I'll say that and they leave the house
Speaker 14: and I'm like, okay, I'm just going to take this test, babe,
Speaker 14: I'm paying on it. I'm just gonna check I'm pregnant.
Speaker 14: I didn't say it like that, but that's how quick
Speaker 14: it said.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 11: I paid on it and it said pregnant. So I'm
Speaker 11: waiting for the not to come up, like I was like,
Speaker 11: how does this work?
Speaker 1: Does it? Just? That was good?
Speaker 11: That was good.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 10: I was created, and.
Speaker 11: Then Dyla was created and we're pregnant.
Speaker 14: And it was so early on I didn't want to
Speaker 14: tell anybody on the tour, but I didn't want to
Speaker 14: not do the tour. So by ways of the doctor,
Speaker 14: They're like, you're fine, you know it's early if you're healthy.
Speaker 14: Let's just see how this goes. So I booked doctor's
Speaker 14: appointments throughout the tour.
Speaker 11: My first one was.
Speaker 14: In Phoenix and if you played at the venue, the
Speaker 14: celebrity arena stage, oh my god, I was going to die.
Speaker 11: I was like, I'm so dizzy.
Speaker 14: I couldn't wear the high heels that I anticipated wearing
Speaker 14: for that tour and I'm now wearing these low what
Speaker 14: the SB golgedes No, but I had chucks on my Nikes,
Speaker 14: my sb's and I'm like, I'm dizzy.
Speaker 11: This is weird. I don't like it. So we get
Speaker 11: to the doctor's like, yep, you are pregnant about you know,
Speaker 11: five or six weeks. I'm like, oh, I'm on tour
Speaker 11: for like another month and a half or so, and
Speaker 11: I'm like, you know, just just see how you feel
Speaker 11: sow it goes.
Speaker 14: So I get to Pensacola, Florida, and I almost throw
Speaker 14: up on the front row.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 14: It was rough because it was like one hundred and
Speaker 14: ten degrees and humid, and I could smell everything. It
Speaker 14: was like the bar and it had like the lemons
Speaker 14: and like that citrus smell. Anything sweet. I'm a dessert fanatic,
Speaker 14: and when I was pregnant, I couldn't touch sugar without
Speaker 14: throwing up. It was so it wasn't fair, Like nothing
Speaker 14: I was straight. I needed lazed potato chips and like
Speaker 14: bacon double cheeseburgers. I stopped eating red meat for seven years,
Speaker 14: and as soon as I was pregnant, I needed steak.
Speaker 11: But I guess your body just tells you what you need.
Speaker 11: And it was ridiculous. But yeah, So by the time
Speaker 11: you know, we get off tour, everybody were pregnant. Peace
Speaker 11: by love you. And then December nineteenth, Nithera's here, She's
Speaker 11: I love already. You kept say.
Speaker 1: I still love her.
Speaker 14: My grandma comes on that kind of cuspy, but she's
Speaker 14: definitely a saggy so tell us.
Speaker 3: So you were saying a couple of questions. So you
Speaker 3: were saying, when you did that floaty tour, you knew
Speaker 3: that was going to be like your last one. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and what was how did you know?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 11: Not even about that?
Speaker 14: Because Nat and myself could do a floaty show with
Speaker 14: our eyes closed, like we could have had a whole
Speaker 14: fight and been on stage and given you the whole show,
Speaker 14: and you would know no different. The creativity part of
Speaker 14: it that will never well, hoping never will, but never die.
Speaker 11: Personally could not tolerate.
Speaker 14: Not only past, but if you're someone else's trigger for
Speaker 14: what just didn't happen for you, you can't help that.
Speaker 11: You can forgive everything.
Speaker 14: But if I'm the one that remained in the US
Speaker 14: and still doing what I'm doing, I'm a constant reminder
Speaker 14: of what happened in two thousand and six, I'm a
Speaker 14: constant reminder of reasons why things went left or right,
Speaker 14: and there's nothing you can do to heal that other person.
Speaker 14: So I feel once we got to the end of
Speaker 14: that tour and there's still smoking weed on the bus,
Speaker 14: you know I'm pregnant.
Speaker 11: Though it's the end.
Speaker 14: It's then I was like, you don't wish well for
Speaker 14: my life, and I don't care if it was done
Speaker 14: out of well. This is because in two thousand and
Speaker 14: six you said, I'm like, I did this for right now.
Speaker 14: I know what I've done, I know what I've said,
Speaker 14: I know things that I've possibly done that have killed
Speaker 14: you in some ways. And if you, like I said,
Speaker 14: if you can't heal what you don't reveal, if you
Speaker 14: can't tell me what it is, I don't know.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 14: It's like saying, you know, I'm okay now, Well I'm
Speaker 14: not like you don't when you like break up with
Speaker 14: someone or you're you're mad at someone and you try
Speaker 14: and reconcile. I'm not ready to reconcile. And I guess
Speaker 14: for twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Initially with the twenty fifteen,
Speaker 14: we both were. But you've also shown me who you
Speaker 14: still are and still will be. And I'm cool on that.
Speaker 11: And that's okay too. Wish you well on everything that
Speaker 11: you do, but I don't.
Speaker 14: I'm collectively we've all been in group situations where it's
Speaker 14: a lot of See I didn't think of that, but
Speaker 14: you know what it is. It's it's it's micro managing
Speaker 14: personal lives. Because the music is that's your first hand.
Speaker 14: We knew, we knew that part. It's everything else you
Speaker 14: have to deal with that comes with that. So so
Speaker 14: Nyla's out in stores, Nyler is out unavailable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually let's not. I do have a question about
Speaker 1: the music, Okay, go for it.
Speaker 7: Are we ever going to get an officially released version
Speaker 7: of Yes, indeed, the team recover that you did.
Speaker 14: Dre and I discussed this and hopefully when it calls
Speaker 14: for the moment it deserves, it shall be. But that
Speaker 14: was a tough one to tackle about Tina Marie be
Speaker 14: and one of my.
Speaker 7: Said, right, oh yeah, yeah, and I remember you played
Speaker 7: it at that show and it's on YouTube and everything.
Speaker 1: Good God, I played it like five six times in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 11: You can't it crazy? But yeah, one day, one day
Speaker 11: I'll hit Dre.
Speaker 1: Also, uh, first position and we still what happened.
Speaker 11: First position when you gave said the text I want
Speaker 11: to see.
Speaker 1: Can't wait see. I wanted to ask about Cloud nine, but.
Speaker 14: So well, I will say about Cloud nine live, played
Speaker 14: it live, You're the only drama I have seen that
Speaker 14: on the planet.
Speaker 12: Because I wasn't going to be embarrassed by my first
Speaker 12: gospel chops challenge.
Speaker 1: Have you heard Cloud Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's straight godless,
Speaker 1: It's I was like, never again.
Speaker 12: I went I went to that's the first night I
Speaker 12: spent the night at fallon my first night ever.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm not going to get embarrassed.
Speaker 1: On stage because I don't know how the gospel chop.
Speaker 1: I went on YouTube learn how to play the drums. Yes,
Speaker 1: I typed in gospel chops for dummies.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's eleven year old, like Filipino kid with his
Speaker 12: own pate dog.
Speaker 1: It's YouTube, it's the Internet.
Speaker 10: Why not just call a tribute.
Speaker 1: Anyway? Oh f is this episode? To get there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I had to shed for like five hours straight.
Speaker 12: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's how hard.
Speaker 14: It's a tough one, but it's it's so good. Another focus, Yes,
Speaker 14: shout out the focus.
Speaker 1: That's the homie. I really yeah, I have great chemistry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see y'all work together for
Speaker 1: like a whole.
Speaker 14: That's my brother for real. It's definitely a musical assault mate.
Speaker 14: He I mean, he's music woralty like it's in the
Speaker 14: DNA like your dad is chic.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up the show, what are your future plans? Mars?
Speaker 11: My future plans are creatively yo.
Speaker 10: I asked you that question four years ago. You said
Speaker 10: I just want to get married and have babies.
Speaker 11: So here we are four years later and now crusted
Speaker 11: TV and film horror being my favorite genre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see you in a horror film.
Speaker 1: I think you were about to say you.
Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, So what level are we talking
Speaker 12: like round zombie level or are we talking well.
Speaker 14: The zombie stuff is just Gore for Gore's sake. For me,
Speaker 14: sometimes it's it's I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm about because he's like, it's that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, never mind, it's the things that you don't see,
Speaker 11: the scary.
Speaker 8: And you.
Speaker 1: So you you like thriller, psychological thrillers, Yeah, I love Okay, we.
Speaker 11: Added like horror.
Speaker 14: I'm gonna go, well, go on a whim and say
Speaker 14: and you can say, this is my original idea and
Speaker 14: I gave you here for it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 11: Picture of the movie.
Speaker 14: Elm Street, And it's really about the suburban area of
Speaker 14: Elm Street and the parents that pluck to kill this man,
Speaker 14: Freddy Krueger, who allegedly sexually abused a kid.
Speaker 11: That's why he dies.
Speaker 14: So it's the horror that you see in normal people
Speaker 14: that you just go to the supermarket with. And they've
Speaker 14: decided that this missing kid is his responsibility and we're
Speaker 14: gonna kill him. And then Freddy has to like then
Speaker 14: declare his soul to the devil and says, you know what,
Speaker 14: I'm gonna come back and haunt your kids and your
Speaker 14: kids kids. That entire flick is creeping me out thinking
Speaker 14: about it. Has to happen, though, prequel it is telling
Speaker 14: you that's my artist name.
Speaker 1: Now be in six years mark over them so you
Speaker 1: got time to write them.
Speaker 11: It's done.
Speaker 1: There you go, Marsha. I thank you for coming on.
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Sugar Steve, what'd you learn today? You haven't done this
Speaker 1: in a while. Man, Wow, her entire story essentially. Okay,
Speaker 1: even her you've known her and that I'm the only
Speaker 1: one here. Ironically, I suppose you've been pronouncing her name correctly.
Speaker 12: Yes, uh, unpaid Bill Man. Good people make good music. Okay,
Speaker 12: you just learned that.
Speaker 1: I learned that Matt Cappy is on a Michael Jackson song. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a low key jealous Matt Cappy. And then
Speaker 1: you learn how to drum on? Yeah, I learned that
Speaker 1: that eleven year old boys out of drump on the
Speaker 1: on the buckets.
Speaker 7: I didn't know you were in the basketball so much,
Speaker 7: so I thought that's pretty awesome. And as well as
Speaker 7: the horror flicks. That's that's pretty awesome. So two unrelated
Speaker 7: to music, things that I think are really awesome about
Speaker 7: you awesome, Like where'd.
Speaker 1: You learn today?
Speaker 8: Learned that dev is seven years younger and looking for
Speaker 8: a younger man. No, but you know it's that it works.
Speaker 8: I still think it works more than a female's favor
Speaker 8: because of that. You know about the physical anyway, and
Speaker 8: I what they he would be still ready to go
Speaker 8: ahead it when she hits her peak, you'll know.
Speaker 10: I'm all about the sexual peak. You wouldn't think about Okay,
Speaker 10: I know you did anyway. And I learned that Marsha
Speaker 10: is gonna write the prequel for Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's got a good idea for idea, man.
Speaker 3: I learned that Marsha is like healthy and happy and
Speaker 3: like it's still like from the last time we saw
Speaker 3: each other, like your life has just gotten better cause
Speaker 3: and like I'm just happy to see you. I mean
Speaker 3: because we've had conversations just before about the game and
Speaker 3: the industry and like just kind of finding your way.
Speaker 3: So when I saw you come back with Nyla and
Speaker 3: you were doing indie and you were doing with Focus
Speaker 3: and like we talked, I was just like yeah, this
Speaker 3: is it, and so I'm just happy to see you
Speaker 3: in the space that you're in because I know, just
Speaker 3: as artists art like, I know how that how.
Speaker 1: Crazy this ship can be.
Speaker 3: So to see you still here, still doing it and
Speaker 3: be able to do it on your own terms, that's
Speaker 3: really uh, it's really smart business moves.
Speaker 1: Like having kids can be positive, having kids can't be positive.
Speaker 1: Learned to start risking it all I've learned.
Speaker 12: I've learned how to use one's own podcasts to deflect
Speaker 12: any love life.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you see all that go around. Of course,
Speaker 1: love Supreme.
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