WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Marsha Ambrosius 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:00.760 Of course. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.680 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.080 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.440 Hey, what's going on y'all? This is Fante Fonticelo. This 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.720 week's QLs classic is with none other than my homegirl, 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.680 my friend, singer songwriter Marsha Ambrocious. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.400 She stopped by. We talked about. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.440 Everything from working with Michael Jackson, writing Butterflies, doctor dre 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.120 Flow a Tree, and most importantly, how we've been pronouncing 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.480 her name wrong and fucking it up for all these years. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.239 This episode was from January nine to twenty nineteen, and 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.239 this is this week's cure Less Classic. It was an 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.240 incredible time and we hope you enjoyed. Catch out next week, 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:40.560 I Get Peaceful. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:47.600 Here we go. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:57.640 Supremo Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema, Sun Supremo, Roll Call Supremo, 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.480 su Subprimo ro looking. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.200 Scared se roll Chameleon. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:17.280 Yeah, Karma Karma, Karma, Yeah, I'm sorry, jan Yeah, Marcia Marshall, Suprema. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.080 My name is Fantee and I would listen to Flow 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.800 Yeah back in the day when I was doing my 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.720 hole with you. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:39.920 Supremo Supremo. My name is Sugar. Yeah, I know John Mayer. Yeah, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.960 so she cheated on me. Yeah with John Mayer. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:56.040 Yeah, pay Bill, Yeah, I hope you're hearing. Yeah, I 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.560 wish you could see. Yeah, like he is hearing. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:10.560 My right, it's been years since. Yeah, Boss Bill was 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.000 in England. Yeah, I had a real chill time. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:13.760 Yeah. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.320 My idea of fun Brollie gets up. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:25.040 Supremo roll Suprema Son Supremo roll Ye. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.959 Yeah and Marcia yes, Yeah, was like a beast. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:29.760 Yeah. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.000 And she sings the best. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.760 Whoa Suprema Son Supremo roll. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.840 Call, Suprema son So Sopremo roll call. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.760 My name is Marsha. Yeah, and I'm on this mic. Yeah, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.000 I'm with my husband. Yeah, I'm so high. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:57.640 Supremo roll call, Suprema So Supremo, roll call, Suprema Son 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.799 Son Supremo roll call. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.240 And I sound like Mary Puffins. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.320 Might have everyone bodied their verse. Y'all. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:23.120 Man, Wait, I didn't know that my godmother ear rings. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.399 Shout the jeans hanging. I know you had a scar 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.960 for the repurpose some parasuco. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.320 I believe these came from the stable collective. Shout out 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.760 Toterrina Scott. I'm just saying I don't. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.600 Know Scott's wife. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:48.360 Okay, there's some funked up earrings. Edit. I'm so happy 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.240 about everything. I'm so happy to be back. Raight up. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:04:03.520 It's all right, man. My stomach hurts my side. I 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.240 know I don't show. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.360 Yeah, I'm here quest Love and we're with Teams Supreme 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.840 and there's unpaid Bill. Yeah, you're back. I'm back, thank you. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:21.000 I was on my walk about you. I did like, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.440 were you three weeks working up your bathroom as well? 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.560 Or no? I am renovating the basement. There's no matt 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:33.800 finish or waterless heater, waterlessankless tanklas water heater, but there 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:34.400 are some walls. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.920 Probably got some cool job ship going on, Bill that 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.360 you try and make jokes, but you probably got some 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.200 real cool shit going on while you missed us. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:40.480 Right. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.359 Oh yeah, Sesme Street was filming season fifty. Wow, fifty 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:46.400 years of Sesame Street. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.680 Fifty years? That's crazy. Am I say anything about that? 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.280 Or do I just wait until it happens? Or I 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:54.320 think you should say something? 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.120 Okay, Well, I'd like to thank you for finally it's 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.680 been a lifelong more than soul trained and to come 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.680 on Sesame Street that I can help. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:05.760 So you so you actually only you made it on 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:07.320 I'm Battling Grover. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:08.080 Yeah. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.159 Yeah, it's quite amazing man, all right. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.120 And it's weird because like when you get in front 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.480 of the muppets, you start talking to the muppets like 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:18.320 they're real people. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.360 Also, Amir was like, legit flustered on the set. It 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.360 was pretty funny. Yeah, he usually can't stop talking. He 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.720 was like it was it was like, I'm just gonna 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.040 play the drums cause I don't know how to talk. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.920 Because like even even when they yell cut, Grover's still 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:33.440 talking to me. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.040 Jimmy, Well, you know, I just kept on it and 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.560 then like you realize, forty seconds later talking to a 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:45.200 band and talk to it having a whole conversation. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:51.719 Yeah, I was getting analytical everything about my creative process. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.240 And I was like, wait a minute, gets to the 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.000 heart of the matter. Yeah, yeah, sugar, Steve, how's it going? 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:04.400 Welcome to your Yeah yeah, well how you I have 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.479 a whole network? Actually, how's your network doing? Network is blossoming? Really? Yeah, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:14.560 that's driving. That's great. Thank you for asking. H bost Gardens. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.200 Are you are you happy as or Yeah? I'm good. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.520 I haven't been getting in again. This is not a pun. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.279 I haven't been getting any headaches lately, So amen, amen 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.400 to that. First listen to music. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.960 It just smell. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.920 We we know, we know, we know, Mars, So don't 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:36.960 bring up old stuff. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:42.039 She's a mod and. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.120 I'm good man, I'm glad March is here. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:46.280 Man. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:51.400 I haven't want to do this on a long time yet. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:52.080 Our guest today. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.479 She made her mark in the music world as one 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.840 half of the pioneering neo soul outfit entitled Floatry. Her 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.520 reputation as a songwriter, I'll say, uh, grew after the 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:10.440 creation of what many, including myself, will probably say, Okay, 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.840 how big of a hyper bulwick movement can I make this? 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:14.120 You're pretty good. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.240 I personally think that Butterflies is maybe one of Michael 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.600 Jackson's finest vocal performances in the last ten years of 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.800 his life. Without without, without, without a diet. It's actually enunciating, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.280 yeah and not gritting. I'll ask you, how did you 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.840 not get into yell at the So there's a take 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:40.240 where he just let me actually say your name first. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.600 You will be in the show? Yeah, yeah, all right. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.760 So she collabed with all of our favorites. Uh now, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.400 Salem village. Uh buster rhymes the game earth within and 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:58.240 fire common. Uh oh, of course doctor dre while a 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:04.480 Kanye Robert Glas everybody, everybody your credits of course. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.920 Late nights in early mornings. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:06.360 Uh. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:14.720 The very strong friends and lovers, extremely strong friends of lover. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:16.440 Her husband's in the room right now. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:26.200 He knows all the stories, respectful, and the latest being Nyla, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.520 which is not for New York LA. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.040 It's not about you being bicoast. It is, yeah, but 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.840 I would like to think that it's also named after your. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.520 My daughter daughter, who was also named after my husband, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.160 was born in LA and raised in Buffalo. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.079 New York, n y Laka. And that's our tour schedule. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:56.120 I literally I thought that you wanted to correct a 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.920 thirty five year wrong in which another famous person from 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.559 the U k uh once had her version of coast 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.880 to coast only being elert to Chicago. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.920 I still laughed about that even in school. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.679 I was like, geography, this is amazing because it's not 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.040 coast to coast. But I love that she's my favorite 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.040 and she allowed me to cover strong on the pride 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:25.000 to so right, that's crazy, So yeah, coast to. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:32.840 Straight straight out of Liverpool, marsh and. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:36.440 What's up? 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:39.360 Yeah, this is gonna be like all times, it's not 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.439 even you know, so now I'm thinking Late to Chicago 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:43.360 western Maine. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.720 Is that the western may right, Western Lane. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.120 Was absolutely clear because that's the don't know, late to 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:53.199 Chicago to Maine. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.040 Yeah, that's a that's like a Bermuda tribal with South 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.920 Dakota el south. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.440 To it's western Male. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.760 I just wanted to express the world. It wasn't about 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.440 a coast to coast thing. It was we're lyrically going 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:10.640 to infuse places. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.920 Okay, do. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.880 You guys realize that there's three versions of that song 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.240 in rotation otor Really when you buy the single version, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.680 it's I inquired this to Stewart. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:30.480 They did. They did, like. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.960 Stewart what's his name, Matthew, Matthew Man. I was about 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.440 to say Jamaica last Stewart Zendad Right, Yeah, they they 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.000 did like five takes of it. But the version on 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.520 the album of Day is like night and Day. I 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.880 don't know why didn't notice it earlier, Like I thought 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.000 it was just a regular smooth operator that we've always known. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.040 But if you compare the album version to the single version, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.160 that's on radio and whatnot. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.240 It's night and day like. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:06.160 Yeah, her vocal performance everything. So the things you learned question, yes, exactly. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.080 You know what you saying Western Maine? 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.000 Yeah, Western Male. Google I think was wrong on this one. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.559 It says Western Mail m a l e. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.160 Oh yeah no that oh wait that context. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.560 That's oh yeah, it could have been mm hmm. Let's 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.360 just spend the whole episode. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:25.440 Figure out. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:29.880 And say, you know what. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:39.040 Anyone, Drake, I don't not no more. That's the whole number. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.400 Oh man, that number was like eight eight numbers. Yeah, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.360 he didn't throw his wire phone away. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:47.600 How are you doing, Mar? 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:48.360 I'm great? 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.760 How are you fine? I'm fine. Wait, that's what I 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.240 did not know that you were born in Liverpool. I 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:55.839 thought you were just straight up London. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.839 No, born in Liverpool and we moved when I was 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.959 about five years old, so I only really went to 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.360 school in London and went back for every holiday. So 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.280 I guess how your semester's work. It would be what 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.440 easter break, summer? 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.480 When you think of home, it's Liverpool. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:16.560 I think of the place. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.200 Really, I was thinking of Surelle. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.199 Nah No, not not really. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.280 I think of Liverpool, but I do reference London because 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.640 that was the you know, trying times. It was parents separating. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.080 It was okay, I'm going to play basketball, I'm going 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.560 to do music. I'm going to do everything to keep 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.480 myself occupied and then go. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.200 Back to Liverpool. How old are you when your parents 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.480 have read it like six? Wow? 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.559 So that picture on the cover of Nylo, that's I'm 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.360 about eight there, yes, seven or eight. So it was 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.119 my dad's base in the background with his giant amplifier 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.640 that I used to just switch on and off in 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.000 the middle of the night so you can hear. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.840 That, like go back to sleep. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.400 So that was my that was my upbring was a musician. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:05.920 Yeah. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.520 He was in a seventies band called super Charge signed 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.200 to Virgin Records back. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:11.440 In the day. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:18.400 And if you google that, yeah, well if you do 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.640 find the YouTube footage of said things. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.960 He's doing the Robot in nineteen seventy six on live 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.520 television in Australia. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.360 Somewhere there's footage of this is incredible. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:32.440 I can't. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.440 You can't, but it's it's definitely googleaball and just being 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.920 brought up in a household where music was everything. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.480 My mother has more Vinyl than you. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.800 She does like it's not even like, oh my mom's 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.600 got no she does like where she keeps crazy. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.559 We have like a storage unit. My uncle has some 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.160 and she has. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.120 Some at the house in Liverpool. She was just a 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:03.400 Vinyl lover or yeah, like from radio station there. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.480 No, but that was very popular in the UK and 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.560 she could she may as well have done at that point. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.400 But I remember, you know that pivotal point when you 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.040 realize what music actually is. And for me, that turning 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.640 point was Purple Rain. Purple Raining. Off the wall did 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.640 it for me personally where I was like, you know what, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.640 I know what makes me feel really really happy? And 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.240 it was I can't help it, And it was take 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.560 Me with You the drum intro in the beginning and 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.120 Computer Blue that outro, and. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.160 Those records were just as big over there as they 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.280 were in the state. Absolutely, even though he didn't tour. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.200 And yeah, it wasn't. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:39.800 Really about that. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:46.120 Yeah, like I didn't see Prince Live until my latter years. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.200 Thankfully I did. But were you allowed to watch? 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:50.280 No? 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.280 But we did. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.640 I realized that I watched what was it the thing? 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.280 John Carpenter is the thing? When I was like five? 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.160 Who does that? But I loved it. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.880 When the spider the head gets detached and it's great. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.840 I was a horror movie junkie, like the house on 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.080 the cover of the Night album that had to be haunted. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.800 It was definitely we were living in a very haunted group. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.840 Really, yeah, it had to be. Are you the only 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.400 Do you have any siblings? Yeah? 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.440 My brother and my dad remarried, so I have a 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.640 little sister. Now that was way late, So it was 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:27.720 me and my brother growing up. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.720 Are they musically inclined as low Yeah. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.160 My brother riots, he plays instruments. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:38.240 But we were torn in this very, very crazy place 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.280 between basketball and music, and it was my dad was 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.280 also a ball player and a coach, so it was 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.520 every weekend go to the outdoor, call ball out. We 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.480 were both Division one, both played for England two. It 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:56.880 was really two three over there. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.280 And then I realized that, yeah, it's weird because I 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.160 think that anybody in the UK is just all about 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.920 football and really help me that thumbs their nose up at. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.480 American No, it was a lot bigger than I guess 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.440 you would think basketball. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:14.480 Over in the year. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.880 Where did you start playing ball as. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.880 Soon as I could touch a ball? 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:18.800 Really? 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.520 Yeah, my dad had me and my brother playing like 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.840 from early so once I got incredible, if I must say, 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.040 I had relaship. Yeah, I was actually going to play 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.800 for Georgia Tech. And my friend was playing basketball in 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:40.120 New Jersey. And it's crazy how life works. He actually 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.600 had a demo of a performance that I did at 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.800 Jazz Cafe in the UK and played it for like 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.200 some promoter in Philly. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.920 I'd say that was yamine or tone or something that how. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.960 I probably, I mean, and that's how I got to 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.320 Philadelphia by ways of the guy that was going to 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.920 get me to play basketball at their high school, and 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.560 then we were all going to go to Georgia Tech. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:01.320 But I. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.760 Well, I mean, didn't I tore ligaments two years prior 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.200 to that happening. And then this friend that still played 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.080 ball had my demo played it for for you, I mean, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.000 and then I was already in Atlanta doing ying Yang 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:21.679 Cafe open mics and stuff. I'm sure, I mean, I'm 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:27.720 just it's like black Lily. No, like, no, that's a 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:28.280 real R. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:29.920 I P Black Lily. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:39.280 Yeah, just like, so you were what position? Did you were? 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.600 You afford two and three? I'm a musician, so I 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:45.399 don't know about that. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:52.120 I was like, okay, yeah, uh So I was bawling, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.600 bawling until I tore ligaments and then it was like 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.720 Plan B had to be music. So I watched Michael 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:01.760 Joy didn't come fly with me every day? 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:03.480 Wow h. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.040 And I was like, come fly with me because I 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:07.640 couldn't walk. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.920 So I used to rent that from the video store. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:11.880 She never would. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:15.320 With me. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.440 It was like a Michael Jordan's documentary. I haven't seen 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.880 it for ages, but I literally watched it watching like yeah, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.760 Jordan's really yeah, wait wait. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.639 Can I skip a little bit because technically, were you 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.159 guys under Hidden Beach at all or were you just 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:35.720 straight up it was. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:36.879 Not even epic. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:42.439 So we did a meeting with Hidden Beach and then 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.360 it was like nah, and then we ended up with DreamWorks. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.240 Because people know that Hidden Beaches Jordan kind of story 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:52.280 of Michael Jordan's label. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.240 He's the money, right, So that was kind of there 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.359 was plugs there because Jill was already there, and we 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.520 kind of did the whole you know, Steve. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.760 Had the whole house in Malibu. Cute touch and it's 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.880 very l a, it's very oh my god, the ocean. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:13.399 I'm not signing here. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:22.159 I'm also means that Steve uh caraculously uh re release 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.760 Jill Scott compilation over and over. 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:28.600 When it did. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.399 This is two thousands, So yeah. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:36.440 Got collaborations. I mean we're past that. I mean like 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.840 it's literally like the same thing over and over. It's 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.440 like the sixth version of the same. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:50.159 If it's not that they unwrapped, that's my worst nightmare. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:58.879 Unwrapped the roots unwrapped happened, happ. 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.800 Yeah, the intro that you got me was us making 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.359 fun of him rapped if we decided just to keep 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.119 it on there for sits and giggles. But yeah, James 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.840 Poyser is notoriously obsessed with taking songs that sound good 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.320 and putting them in like major chords so they sound 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.880 like it's it's bing Crosby. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.800 So I met James Poyser before I met any of 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.760 you guys in the UK, before I even came to 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:34.040 the States. Him and uh Shape Hope together really in 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.080 like ninety eight ninety. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:40.280 Nine, Pope, yeahs, yeah. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.440 Well yeah, basically, so it's crazy how life works. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.560 And then Foster war would I run into what is 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.920 Philadelphia at the time, and it's Black Lily and you 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.160 guys are abandoned. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.200 So you literally came to in state of y'all means 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:54.600 crib and then like. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.560 Well people two different people taking credit to for this 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:58.840 era of your life. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:00.320 Yeah, means always taking credit. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.600 But oh, this is a long. 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.080 They didn't meet yet, how did you? How did you meet? 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.640 So now and myself met through basketball in the UK, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.520 so it will be basketball tournaments in South London, and 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:27.480 I guess played against her older sister, and I don't know, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.639 it just became cool. You go to summer camps and 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.080 it's oh, now we go to the same performing art school. 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.600 Fast forward to that and we're teenagers. Now I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.119 I remember you cool. Our parents knew each other. It 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.600 was my dad works with your mom in the same building. 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.359 And we were just cool, okay, And then was it 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.879 just like okay, we got a dream. 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:47.879 Do you know what? 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:55.800 Absolutely by a very very well incredible accident. I was 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.320 doing music over there, but in the UK it's like 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.800 it's hit all miss literally for black music. So you're 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.639 only allowed maybe a handful of five people that can 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.960 be successful at the same time. So I was the 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.640 up and coming writer producer that at sixteen seventeen I'd 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.160 written Butterflies, but I have Warner Brothers over there telling 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.400 me that it's not good enough, it's not a good song, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.159 and I'm just disencouraged, Like. 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.159 You know what, this is not for me? 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.840 I quit music because what I'm hearing in my head 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.440 is excellence, and if you think it's trash, then I 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.640 don't think I can do this for a second. 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:31.080 I hold you say you were when you wrote. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:32.520 Butterflies sixteen seventeen. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:32.960 Wow. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.840 So I kind of hung up music for a little bit, 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.600 went back to basketball for a couple of seasons. Fast 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.360 forward to graduating from performing art school, and I heard 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.080 that Natalie was doing poetry. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.040 So I was like, you know what will be dope. 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.080 I have this song called Fantasized, and if a poet 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:55.280 was on it, let me see. I'm a here so 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.600 a hair up, yo, put some poetry to this song. 0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:58.640 This is the hook. 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.000 I'm a beat bucks beat you know, come in when 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.119 you come in. So she wrote her ass and we 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.719 performed it and there was Flowtry. 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:12.000 Now, even though you were not of club age at 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.680 that timement. Yeah, I know you're laughing, like, yeah, okay, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.680 mere wink. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.240 Well eighteen over there it was never twenty one. 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.879 Oh okay, so you were of club age, were you? 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.800 Because all the ideas that the roots ever had as 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.600 far as jam sessions were concerned, and all that stuff 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.280 that we brought to the States. I mean, we literally 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.400 stole living in London between ninety three and ninety six. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.600 So was anything like Ici or any of those clubs 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.879 in London when they are on your radar. 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:44.159 No, not even a little bit. 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.040 So none of like Jazzy Bees and Nelly. No. 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.359 I worked with Jay Zibe in his camp for a 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.560 year or so, maybe a little less than that, and 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.840 it was just very much in the studio. You'd do 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.600 an R and B song and it'll be great in 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.639 the moment and it would only go so far, or 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.639 it will be sign your life away here, kid, and 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.240 we'll own ninety percent of this because we gave you 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.480 the studio time. And it's like, that's not how this works. 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.880 I'm sure. I went to school for that part. 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.159 So nah, I'm good. And I was always on that like, 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.600 I don't need this for the bread. I want to 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.240 be creative. So I always kind of created and chucked 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.320 the deuces when it just didn't feel like it was 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:26.400 done for the right reasons. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.879 So nobody that was popping at the time in London was. 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.439 Ever gave me a ali nah. I mean it was. 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.200 You know what was big over there. I think he 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.760 went to jail because he was driving without a license. 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:49.040 Is still that fear into me that if you drive 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.000 without a license, you're going to be this guy? 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.879 And I never did. I never believe that. 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.800 I always felt because he did an interview like after 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:00.520 he got out of jail whatever, and. 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:03.640 I was like, you know, I feel like a lot 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:04.879 of the stories in Bellish like. 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.480 Over here, because I remember it being about a license, 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.040 and I think my mother told me that. 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.200 I remember we defin knew jail, but I can't remember. 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:19.639 Probably just ripped the pillow off, but let the candid license. 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.520 I'm pretty sure if you google it that was what 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:21.920 it was. 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.440 But wait, do you remember there was a there was 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.440 a hip hop crew that was like no, no, no, 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:29.680 to keep on. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:36.639 That was my joint, right, I'm grown, I'm grown. I 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:46.920 would admit this to you know that what's her name, 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.240 Buffalo Nina. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.200 Cherry without a record. 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.399 I was like, oh, this is good old time. You 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:59.840 don't know ya though this is cute. 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:07.959 I don't think you know what show we have your 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.160 social Security numbers. 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.320 But there was there was a there was an up 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.719 and coming crew that obviously you know, they took their 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.080 cue from Wu Tang. It was them on like steroids 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:26.359 and they were part I mean, it was like they 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:27.560 were part drumming bassed. 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:28.480 They were part. 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.119 Also the whole garage that. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:37.520 Yeah, but I mean it was a cruise there that era. 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.119 I actually got to Philadelphia when that really popped off 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.639 and took off because I was more into the club scene, 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.680 like going to party to it, not necessarily making it, 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:49.440 so I kind of missed the whole wave of let's 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.800 do a house and garage track, like when Craig David 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:56.440 became the pop version of what was going on, because 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:57.880 so much of that was going on in the UK. 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.200 But when Craig David came in smashed it and took 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.359 it to a whole other level with that, but so 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:08.960 solid with the authentic you know London that. 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.000 Were you know. 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.639 The thing with who's the d J O with the 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:27.040 oh no, not real? Tim is definitely the white from 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.200 Master Flex. Yeah that's that. 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:30.720 Yeah, that's a good way to put it. 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.920 I actually pretty much well, speaking of being too young, 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.560 to be in the club. I was too young to 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.520 be at a biggie show in the UK, but me 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.600 and my best friend K at the time, we definitely 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.600 went Yeah, So I'm glad I got to see Biggie Life. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.119 So you were those guys like two seven nine and all. 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:48.960 Those jigs choice f M. 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:55.959 Yeah, Trevor Nelson Nelson still doing like BBC B at 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:56.320 that time. 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:57.920 Was he was he doing it? 0:27:58.800 --> 0:27:59.040 He was? 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:04.359 He was like, well he was really Giles Peterson's apprentice. 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.360 So when I first met Benji b like ninety six, 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.359 ninety seven, he was like, you know, doing answering phones 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.720 and that sort of thing. Like he really started coming 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:19.280 up in ninety nine to like when we started coming up. Yeah, No, 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.760 I was only asking because I always wanted to know 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:29.000 if so solid was I remember that, uh Westwood got shot? 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.000 Yeah, which if you get shot in London? 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:33.640 Like Tim what got shot? 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:34.400 Yeah? 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.399 Remember remember that? 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:37.400 Yeah. 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:46.680 I'm not saying no, no, no, he got shot. 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:49.560 I remember I remember that. I remember that. 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.440 I mean, I mean for guns to even be in 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.000 London was like yeah, because they don't sounds like Canad 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.719 did to me, So it wasn't happening. 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.440 I just wanted to know how solid was that crew? 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:02.479 They were so silent. 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.760 No, it was UK Love, but he kept the gangster. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.880 He never stitched on who shot him? 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.880 So yeah, anyway on London. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.560 Like Peterson, No he like, I mean, but I'm just 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.760 starting like Flex was always on his show. 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.680 If anything, I feel like Flex really nuanced. 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.560 His relationship with Tim Westwood to let the world know, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:36.360 like hey, worldwide, like yeah, every that's how no funk 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:40.280 Master Flex like him coming to London, America's own from Master. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.240 I was living in London, okay, because you know that's 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:43.000 that's how you know. 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:45.440 Yeah, Like I'm not in New I wasn't in New 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:45.960 Yorker then. 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.200 So I had this crazy manager back then, Danny Gale 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.280 his name was, and I was. I was a kid 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:53.680 at the time, and he was trying to make me 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.480 do the whole second and do all these demos. And 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:00.240 I opened for boys to men and be man. 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:02.680 Think about that Bill. 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:06.920 Who closed because I. 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.000 Grew open. Well me. 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.000 Me in like a Adidas track suit. I have my 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:23.400 short Hallie bay tony Oho, and yeah it was. It 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.640 was a hot mess, but I just knew I was 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:29.680 about to blow up the Hippodrome, a place called the Hippodrome. 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:30.080 I remember the. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.959 Right on the corner, Yeah, by the tube, literally right 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:36.480 in the corner. 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:41.240 And that's crazy. So that manager at the time trying 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.040 to get my parents to fire him because I was 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.200 under age. Really it was like, Bro, you're not taking 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.160 me to this next level that I see for myself, 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.600 and you've got to go and claim that I will 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.120 never be ish ever in life. It's never going to happen. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:31:01.360 You're trash. I wish death point you like I'm seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, Yes, 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:05.040 Christ it is, but you know what you can't like 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:07.440 years later, in hindsight, I have to go you know what, 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.960 whatever was going through your head, you had to have 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:15.120 seen me as this crazy, huge star for you to 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.040 even feel like I was taking. 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.960 That away from you. I'm seventeen. I don't know what 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:19.440 I'm going to do. 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:20.280 I don't know what I'm going to be. 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.040 You had it in your head that I was really 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.240 about to be something, so. 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:25.880 You had the fort right that he wasn't going to 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.040 take you the place that you need to. 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.400 Take age that kind of There's one question I didn't 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:34.880 ask your voice when was it fully developed? 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.880 Still developing? I don't really I get it. 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:43.240 But when I started the Martian Nuances was roughly around 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.080 sixteen or seventeen, maybe younger than my mum will probably 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.000 say younger than that, but like fifteen sixteen, and that 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:49.920 was really. 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.120 No, no, no, So you say you're sixteen when people 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:55.800 started taking you serious as a singer. 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.760 No, When I started taking myself serious as a singer. 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:06.080 Oh okay, So I'm saying. 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.840 When I knew I was Marsha was when I started 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.760 to sing the synth solo that you know, Teddy Riley 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.600 would do in the middle of a guy record. 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.280 So it was very much new Jack Swing. Was like, 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.520 oh my god, I'm gonna do this. 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.440 Why am I trying to Stanley Brown. 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.280 Exactly do this? 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.840 But I listened to weather Report my whole life, and 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.680 I'm like, straight widow. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:34.480 Best moment of my life. Side note. 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.000 I was at the Blue Note. I don't know who 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.719 I was drumming for, but Stanley Brown got up on stage. 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.520 I'm losing the audience, don't know who Stanley Brown is. 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:49.040 I'm losing my mind. James Boyce just like Stanley Brown, 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.960 and I was like, I lost my mind. 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.680 I'm giving it to my holy Stanley Brown. Stanley Brown 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:58.520 was the church I'm just. 0:32:58.520 --> 0:32:59.760 As I'm gonna beat the one. I'm gonna beat the 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:00.480 one he was. 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:02.719 Go on YouTube and watch the video for run him 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:03.360 some pause. 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:10.960 But I mean he was also the go to keyboard guy. 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.080 He would be the James Boys of the eighties. Okay, 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.320 So during during that R and B period of New 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.440 York when Teddy Riley's really starting to get established, like 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.800 mid eighties, you know, eighty six. You know, Stanley Brown 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:30.960 is the guy that like was playing you know, Alison Williams, Orange, 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:35.480 ju S Jones and he, Stanley Stanley Brown was the man. 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.640 He's doing church stuff now. But like I gotta get 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.560 for him that that saxophone patch. 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:45.880 Oh like on JM. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:51.040 Yeah, but it's like it it's so artificial sounding, but 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.280 it's so vintage now, Like you need the solo. 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.440 The way that people felt like you remember when Amy 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.680 Wineouse came aunt, like it was so old sounding. But 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.440 like now that cheesy. 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:11.359 Saxophony sound is to me, that's that's my Like, yeah, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.400 I'm I'm trying to get him more like something I 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:15.520 played on before I die. 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.319 You might have to have Roy Lee produce a track. 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:24.000 Look, well wait, Marshall, you said you don't sing. What 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:25.680 did you mean when you said that? You said you 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:26.640 know it wasn't singing. 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.640 I was like, k new Jack Swing moving into what 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:30.160 was then? 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:30.920 You know? 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.759 Joe, you said you still haven't When Emir asked you, 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.200 you know how your voice is matured and grown, you 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:37.680 were like, it's still You're still not done. 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:39.319 You still don't sing to your fullest yet. 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.040 No, what is it mm hmm, because it's more so 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.360 an instrument. It's like what solo am I going to 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.680 do today? I don't think like a singer. I think 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:49.920 like what calls for the moment. 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:55.480 I think real singers think as an instrument. Algio definitely 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.560 thought he was an instrument. Anita Baker says she's an instrument. Yeah, 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:01.279 like real singers are. 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:08.520 You know everyone else is struggling struggle everybody else, a. 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:15.520 Lot of people. Yeah, Well, I enjoy making sounds. 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:15.960 I do. 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.320 I enjoy picking parts that make sense to me and 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:24.200 all of the the heavily New Jack Swing era, It's 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.160 a Bad Boy era. It was oh my gosh, Faith Evans, 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:30.120 Oh my gosh, One's twelve and like singing along to 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.920 that album every day. Jodicy and all the inflections of 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.719 those harmonies and having one almost be off key and 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.719 if you pan them left and right, they're not doing 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.840 the same thing. And that was okay. I didn't know 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.120 that until I went in the studio. I was like, oh, layered, 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.320 this sounds amazing, and I don't know, I just like 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:48.240 to create. 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.880 I missed off key singing, Like I seriously. 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.400 Everything it's too tuned. 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.200 I think that one is failing to the point where, 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.560 oh my gosh, I believe that you want to right now. 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.759 It's very you know, in an industry talk for hey, 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.360 they got one is oh, you have a song that 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.719 sounds the same pitch, same tempo, and has a hook 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.000 that possibly belongs to something else already. 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.640 Probably the worst case example of that to me is 0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:21.160 both the New Edition and Bobby Brown biopics, Like all 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.880 the singing done on there, yeah, yeah. 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.080 The race, It's like, do you realize what Bobby Brown 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:26.799 was really doing? 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:27.040 Now? 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.800 And I feel like, I'm glad this happens so you 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.319 can reference what was really going on at that time 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:36.120 where melodyne and auto tune wasn't a choice for you. 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.280 I wasn't going in the studio go and take that again. Okay, 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.200 we'll fix it. Ain't no fix it? Be it again 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:44.239 and yeah, and that's it. 0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:48.400 So it's a it's also an appreciation of, you know, 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.239 what's actually been done. 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.720 Well, you're the you're the first uh Black Louie graduate 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.600 or class of whatever two. 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:01.879 That I've had on the show. 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:06.120 So I have to ask, well, I mean, it's hard 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:10.040 to describe to people how magical the five spot was. 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.520 And when it was in its zone where. 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:20.760 Every week you would get prime Jaguar, all right, Prime 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.319 Jill Scott, Prime Fluwatry. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:32.000 Jasmine Sullivan waking up, you know, coming up to do yeah, 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:41.000 like the right exactly how much was was it ever 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.400 a thing in your head like Okay, this is a. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.399 Movement or we gotta we gotta come with it, because 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.080 I know, at least with I know that with Jag 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.080 and Jill, there was always. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:58.080 A hmm, okay, all right, next week, I'm gonna have something, and. 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.839 They would you know, you got six days to think 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.560 of how you top what you saw? Yeah, So I 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:08.720 don't mean from competition sick, but was it just like okay, 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:09.800 what we got. 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:10.200 To do there? 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.840 Well, I think the the initial first show was what 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.800 defined what we were going to do every week because 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.280 it was weighing, Oh, we've got these two British chicks 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.480 in town that they called themselves flow a Tree. Well 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:30.120 International was like, oh my god, like these farms showed up. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:37.520 Nubians. Also time it was like, yo, we gotta come 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.279 to the States. And suddenly I was like, we're gonna 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:39.840 do it in French. 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.240 It ain't work for them like they it was different, 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.160 didn't that was over there. 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:53.000 Yeah, when they can understand is going to Philly and 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.400 being at the Black Lily and getting into that building 0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.120 and seeing Jill Scott and seeing music Soul Child and 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.200 seeing Blao, seeing the roots of the house band, Like 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:07.839 that's overwhelming, but it's also okay, I'm in here now, 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.160 I have to bring it. But that first show, it's 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.520 waiting until two in the morning to do it, and 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.240 it's who stays, And that sweat Box was just okay, 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.080 we want it. We don't want to miss anything because 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.120 Jill might come up and do that one or Kindred. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:25.080 They used to kill any so right, rhythm of life 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.759 and then we'll be all jumping up and down and 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.040 out of breath. Then it will be a moment. 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.600 But then it was okay, we're going to get on 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.279 and it was hey, we're flower Tree and there's fantasize 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:39.719 that first time and everyone's like, oh okay, okay, and 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.680 I was like, okay, next week, this is what we're 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.359 gonna do and straight Planet. So if we do get 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.600 an earlier slut, there's going to be more people there. 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.120 The word has gone around town. There's these two girls. 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.959 They do this thing fantasize. 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:55.600 You gotta start off with the Late shift. 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:56.200 Yeah. 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.279 See, we were on tour. We were on the Late 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:00.400 Show to reach advance. 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.239 Sorry listen right, but we. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:08.360 Remember blue Funky, Blue Funk John Barbers Show first, and 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.600 at that time it was Jeff Bradshaw was doing like 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:12.720 the band and stuff. 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:19.120 I think Terry Tribbett might have been on base. Yeah, 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.080 so it's spoiled. 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.800 Wait, I hate to go for it. Go for it. 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.400 I think I know where this is going, but go 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:27.719 for it. 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.080 Was it your tour bus yet? 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:30.040 No? 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.320 No no no no no no no no no no 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:32.719 no no no. 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.080 There's two stories. 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.040 Are you talking about the stolen one or are you 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.080 talking about Canada? 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:40.400 I'm talking about. 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:41.800 That. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:46.879 You got it. Back it up, back it up, back 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.960 back it up. Yeah, I've been waiting to hear the 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:51.160 official story. 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:58.280 Okay, once upon a time, Flowstry, we're opening for Alicia Keys. 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:02.880 What happens is when people are going into Canada and 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.799 you don't have visas nor you have issues to get 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:06.840 across that border. 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.319 You are left in Buffalo, New York. 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.759 So these tour buses round about let's say load out 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:15.680 was midnight the prior show. 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:17.920 We get to Buffalo. 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.920 However, long after that, drop everybody off that said, you 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:22.680 know what, I'm gonna have some issues at the border. 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.239 So I'm a role I'm not coming through. You guys 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.879 do the show and come right back. So granted I'm 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.160 asleep on this tour bus at the time, wake up 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.399 at the border, and we are asked to get off 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.879 and present our passports to make sure everything is good. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:42.200 So we're now sitting curbside and we're waiting for our 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:43.799 passports to be brought back to us. 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.360 So there's the. 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:51.800 Inspector and a dog continuously going on and off of 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.839 our tour bus. So I'm looking at each other because 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.440 at the time, I wasn't smoking weed like that, especially 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.880 on the bus. If we were, it was definitely on 0:41:59.000 --> 0:41:59.879 some dressing room shit. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.360 So I'm like, well, who mm mmm. I was like, nah, no, 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:04.640 no one's smoking. 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:04.799 On the bus. 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.360 I was like, we have Paris at the time, and 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.439 like I was like, we charged, We're good, We're good. 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:12.560 Oh man. 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:18.160 So then the inspector is getting continuously frustrated with all 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.080 of us who claim that we have nothing tied. So 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.560 now I'm getting scared. I'm like, well, what's about to 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:28.920 go down? Because he looks really upset. Roughly around twenty 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:35.160 minutes after this debucle this inspector and two dogs, now 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.279 with two other people. 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:39.960 Are carrying off. 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:46.040 Our drummer at the time, ah who was on the bus, 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.640 and they found him in you know the back cabinets 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.400 that have mirrors and you can kind of crawl up. 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.799 He was smoking a joint up there, and that's why he. 0:42:59.920 --> 0:43:04.960 Was smoking at the border. I heard that. 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:09.560 Okay, you know when stories get because the Chinese whisper, 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:11.360 is this what happened? 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:12.080 We heard? 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:13.840 Is he in a big family? 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.360 Yes, okay, he's in the big family, and sometimes he 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.080 takes you on an emotional roller coaster. 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:27.040 Okay, well, actually that could be away. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:29.960 You know. 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:36.600 A couple of rolling around. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.040 Your account of this story is, well, how it ends his. 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:47.120 In the that he somehow inserted himself inside of the 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.080 back of the couch of the tour bus. 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.800 Well if anywhere, it's. 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.360 Yeah, well it would have been four hours because we 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.640 would have left Buffalo and you know, did a rest up, 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:00.960 and you know, we were so by the time you 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.360 get to the border, it is what it is. So 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.640 now we're all detained and questioned. 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:06.919 Did we know he was there? 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.239 Were we trying to bring drugs into Canada? I'm like, 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.120 why would we do that? Your weed is way better? 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:13.560 Why would we play our own? 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.839 This is two thousand and what two at the time, 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:18.279 two thousand and three. 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.640 So I'm like, you know what shot I didn't even 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.319 know was y'all. I thought it was maybe Jill. 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:26.720 Then he goes in the bus business. 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:27.120 I love it. 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:29.479 Well, get to a bus. 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:34.440 Yeah, then became a bus. First thing was like, hey, 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:36.120 can I drive out to a bus? He was like, nah, 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:41.960 we call it. So there was a story. Never mind, 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:45.839 So Michael Jackson. 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.719 Right fast forwarding too. Yeah, we were detained. It was 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.239 bad and questioned and. 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.279 Yeah, this was a shot in the dark. I swear 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.040 the guy didn't even know y'all. He said, we didn't 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.719 do the show, and I was like, have you heard that. 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.720 Story about I didn't know. Yeah, oh that's crazy. Okay 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:09.920 to our stories? How easy is it when you're in 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.879 a partnership. 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:19.840 Now it's weird because with me and Tarique, like on music, 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.960 he's lyrics or whatever. But in the fluw try situation, 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.920 how do you guys come? Who navigates? Who's fifty one 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:29.719 to forty nine? 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:30.000 Who? 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.640 Well, this is the thing. It's like chicken or the egg. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:37.319 And I never claimed it even though I initiated. Look, 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.400 I have this buddy of music and song that if 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.200 you paired up some poetry to this fantasize, it will 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.680 make Tadah Flowa try so even in the studio, it's 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.440 She'd never been in the studio at the time, so 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.759 it was early touch jazzed. It was early what's the 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:58.759 back room at Larry's Axis, it's doing bunches of demos 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.799 with James and Victor and whoever else will come along 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.280 and try and shape what was going through our heads. 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.839 So me, I'd always been musically inclined, had already been 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.919 writing songs, Like I said, If I was a Bird 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:14.200 was written because of comply with me. Michael Jordan's like repeat, 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.680 So all of these things that I'm showing up to 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.239 these studios with, like Yo, I got this song called Sunshine, 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.480 I have this, I have this, and we would go 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.200 up and down. But a touch of jazz at that 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.720 time had its own magic. So it was like fusing 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.960 what we were so fresh in creating with other people's magic. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.000 So fresh off of Jill's first album, fresh off of 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:37.120 Music's first album. 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.680 So you have the Way Long Walk, just. 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:44.120 Friends in one day, and I'm going okay, ABC rooms, 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.839 bouncing from room to room and doing floetic the first day, 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.000 do it headache, after that, running to Dray and Ye 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.759 and going okay, videal play those chords again. Oh yeah, 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.880 it's Ganley. Yeah that's all I'm gonna say. I'm a 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.400 singer this hook and then you come in and it. 0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.160 Will literally be that. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:05.919 So I'd never even controlled It's it was always fifty 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.080 to fifty to me. But everyone's like, as you wrote 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.160 this whole song, she came in and did eight bar poem. 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:15.040 I'm like, that part doesn't matter to me, you know. 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.320 So as far as the magic of Flower Try, it 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.560 was more than just about us when it came to 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.640 a controlled studio environment on stage, it's the same dynamic. 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.520 I could stand stage left and closed my eyes and 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.480 sing for two hours, like, oh my god, that was amazing. 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:32.600 I'm like, I didn't do anything. 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:34.839 I meant I know that I know that someone's going 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.879 to play an alpha role in I know that one 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:43.560 should be diplomatic and it's a compromise and into relationship. 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:47.959 It's almost it's like a marriage where how much power 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:49.160 you have doesn't matter. 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:52.080 Or more equal than others. 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:56.840 So I mean, because there were other factors to this. 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.160 So the people that were there, whether that is dre 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.719 and VI, whether is carbon Ivan or Keith, they're just 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.480 going to be like Marlesh. You were in the studio grinding, 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.520 you were writing and playing this music every day, coming 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.880 with these ideas, every day, coming with a concept. So 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.680 if that chimed in with a title cool, it will 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:16.759 take on a life form of its own. Does that 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.399 mean I own seventy thae? 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:22.880 Maybe? Okay, all right, No, I just wanted to know how. 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.960 But yeah, that's the dynamic only because I'm the musical, 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:27.440 melodic end of it. 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:29.319 But what comes with that is. 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.800 Because I always think it's it's hard as hell starting 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.160 business with someone that you were friends with first. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:38.440 Oh, it's horrific. 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:42.800 It's horrific, and there's so much you don't take into account, 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:48.000 thus it turning out the way it does for many, 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.400 hopefully not for most, but for me it was the 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.920 growing pains of oh, I have to live. 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.360 Adult life dolo. 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.880 Now I moved away from the UK, I've got to 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:05.080 rely on my surroundings. And when people morph and changed 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:12.640 into unrecognizable people, both spiritually and all the above, it's 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.880 it's kind of like takes you back a little bit. 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.480 And it was working with Touch of Jazz kind of 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.480 like interesting in the sense that everybody in a Touch 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.960 of Jazz is broken off into duos anyway, right, right, 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.359 So then you get to kind of observe their dynamic too, 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.320 Like you get to observe the dynamic of Dre and 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:28.560 Vidal and what each one brings. 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.239 Yeah, so, and they were also a unit. 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:34.839 It's supposed to be a touch of Jazz to six 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.320 of you, but you were two's anyway, so it was 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.920 two splitting off into twos. So if one vibe with 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.279 just Videal, it's just Vau or just Ray or you know, 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.320 it was whatever, but you can press play on that 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.680 music of that era, not only with Flow a Try, 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.880 but with Jill's album, with Music's album, and hear what 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:58.440 everyone was doing collectively like it's it was, Philly was 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:03.440 on some shiit and I wasn't gonna leave like I 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:04.920 was sold on Philly. 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:11.560 So where what was your reaction when you first got 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.040 the news that Michael Jackson was interested in one of 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:14.920 your songs? 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:21.719 Didn't believe it? You want to believe it? The thing 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:22.280 was Jeff. 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.880 We all went to Jeff had that other room opposite 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.960 the sea room and the office, and I guess we'd 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:33.160 all missed a phone call from MJ. They were referring 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.080 to this guy as I like, who's MJ? First of all, 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:38.399 not Michael Jackson. I'm not even putting that in my head. 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:40.080 So Jeff is like, YO, you have to come listen 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:41.880 to this. You have to come listen to this. So 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:46.800 I listened to the answering machine that is Michael Jackson 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:50.399 requesting that he work with whoever wrote this song. I'm 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.480 in love with this song, Butterflies. It's my like, I 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:57.360 really want this for my new project. You know, paraphrasing, 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:58.560 of course, But did it? 0:50:58.840 --> 0:50:59.480 How did he hear? 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:07.759 John McLean is like, but he's like, I don't know. 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.319 It's like a viking, like. 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.560 Like you're about the ninth John McQueen story. 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:19.160 He's like a shadow but appears and creates magic and 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:23.040 then disappears once again. So John McLean has a hold 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:26.080 of this flow demo that gets us signed to DreamWorks, 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:30.160 and he hears say yes and butterflies and goes those 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.880 two are the two that are going to catapult this 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.799 thing into the stratus fare. Mike wants this one though, 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.240 and Denzel Washington at one point had say yes on repeating, 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:44.120 was going to do something to it. I don't know, 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.960 going to be going to be it was fresh off 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.959 of giving me bleak Gillian vibes. 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.680 But he had that he had to say yes before 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:56.640 anybody has say yes. 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:05.840 He was like, I don't care rights to my songs 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:09.600 and say yes. Drey and myself did that. We wasn't 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.279 even supposed to go to the studio. Jeff is like, 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.719 I'm shutting the studio down. No, we can go, Dre, 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:14.399 you get the key. 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:15.640 Cool, let's go. 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:21.520 And then that happens to be room in two minutes like, sorry, 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.239 I'm not playing them cards again, all right, I'm gonna 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.440 just go cut it and then there's that. 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:33.200 But if songs are your kids, were you slow to 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.160 give it up or was it just like, Michael. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:37.560 Can adopt my kid? 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:43.680 Michael absolutely can take this because I guess when I 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.160 when I wrote Butterflies, Initially it was just piano based. 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:51.360 I didn't add the you know, the Philly very dragged snack, 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.440 you know, the behind the beat, which you hey, I'm 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.160 never never gonna stay on this one. I'm gonna always 0:52:56.200 --> 0:53:01.200 be a millisecond behind, don't care. But when Dre added 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:03.239 that flare to it, I'm like, Okay, I have this. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:06.759 I don't know I had the bridge cause like I 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.319 played on it, and then Drey does what he does 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.640 to it, so it's it's now Philadelphian. 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:11.880 To me. 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:15.239 It made me feel like everything that I led up 0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:17.960 to get into Philadelphia, this is the demo that I wanted. 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.600 So when Mike wants to do it, you give it 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:24.600 to Mike, you do. And I thought this entire time 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.160 that Jeff is playing as this answering machine. I thought 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:31.360 it was Dre playing like yeah, I was like he 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:32.040 played too much. 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:33.000 I was like, you're lying. 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.680 This is the best impression of Michael Jackson. I've ever 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:37.959 heard in my life, and you shouldn't played. 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:44.160 Yeah, I don't know. You'd have to ask Jeff. Yeah, 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:46.920 Jeff with him anyways. 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:52.880 Yeah, I didn't even get fresh Yeah the first album. 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.719 Yeah, Yeah, Jeff is the Yeah. 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.440 So so how long was it from you getting that message? 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.920 What happened? Yeah? 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.680 How long was it from the phone call until when 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.040 you're actually cutting his vocals? 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:18.759 Well, he was recording with Rodney and yeah, from I 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.759 guess that demo was done in September two thousand, so 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.759 we worked March two thousand and one when he was 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:28.680 finishing the album. Like Teddy Wiley's bus is parked outside 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:30.719 the Hit factory here and when I was here in 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.120 New York and I get there. 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.680 And I'm telling Michael Jackson what to do Bar for bar. 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:43.400 The only he ever hit was at the outro the 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.960 outro ad libs on two outro ad lib tracks, and 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.120 the first thing he did was Whisper Butterflies. He was 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.640 so meticulous in wanting it to sound like the demo 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.840 that he made me like, how do you do this? 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:57.080 What was the harmony for this? 0:54:57.200 --> 0:54:57.279 Well? 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:58.400 How did you make it sound like that? 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:00.440 And I remember when I heard the when I heard 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:02.800 the dimmer. I was shocked. I was like, he pretty 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:06.120 much did it like d lib note for note, I. 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.480 Can say I vocally produced Michael Jackson into What Questlove 0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:11.719 Deans is one of his finest works of us. 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:17.080 How long did that take? 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:22.880 It was a week even. No, No, it's like the 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.200 most worst. It's not a good job. 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:27.239 I hate it. 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:28.080 I do hate it. 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:33.840 But that watching him so excited and doing every layered harmony, 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:37.640 having me do my harmonies over again, having Matt Cappy, 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:39.600 Jeff Bradshaw do those horns again. 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:41.480 It was just fun. 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.279 It didn't feel like a week like we were with 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.040 the kids. Paris and Prince were like yay high at 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.719 the time, and we had Jezebel's sore food every day. 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.279 It was great with you. 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.560 Yeah, he's it's like Santa Claus, like warms my heart. 0:55:55.600 --> 0:56:00.239 And he kept calling me his sang and heifer Mike 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:06.680 hear me. Mike kept saying, Michael Ja, Mike, you know you're. 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:11.320 Calling her a cow, calling her a cow. Half is 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:13.000 a cow? Stop calling her half? 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:13.520 Bruce. 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:18.759 I'm like, you can call me anything here. Yeah, that 0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:21.960 was just magic, Bruce and Mike in one studio. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.160 I know, he's a perfectionist, but can you even be 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:29.640 objectionable when you're Can you say that was flat? 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:30.919 Or yeah? 0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:34.200 Well, once I got into the groove of things, and 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:36.320 at that time, it was the talk back button, and 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.440 it was one more time, Mike, you're dragging. 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.440 It's a little flat, little sharp time is straight? 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:41.840 All right? 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:43.719 Breathe into that one elongate the note. 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:45.480 It was, I was on it. 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.480 If you look at you like okay, told. 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:56.040 Michael Jackson, he asked me for permission to leave the 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:59.759 studio one day or miss a day because he was 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:02.359 being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.239 Didn't tell me that's why he couldn't make it. It 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:06.440 was like, myrs, I just wanted to let you know 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.000 that I just can't come into the studio today. Is 0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:09.480 that okay? 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.200 And we have a lot of work to do. I 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.759 was like, Mike, you can do whatever you want to 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:15.719 do in life. You do not have to ask me 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:18.880 permission for anything. And then he said he had this 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:20.320 thing and then. 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:23.320 So I'm going to score record. 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:27.200 Excuse me. So I'm staying at you know, the Hudson Hotel. 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:30.480 So those rooms are like lug cabin, wooden. 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.600 Walls, and because of the lead up on VH one, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:37.920 they're showing everything Mike, so they're showing you know, James Brown, 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:41.720 impersonating Mike through and through to remember the time, through 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:43.840 and through to anything. 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:45.760 I'm looking at, I'm like, this is the same. 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.480 I go to the studio every day with this guy 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.440 and a bit at that time, been in the studio 0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:53.840 with him every day for five days. And I the 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.400 tears that I like, there's no tears of joy that 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.160 I can express that I haven't cried like that. I 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.360 don't even know what cry that was. But I was like, 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:04.400 I'm not worthy. This makes me Quincy Jones, this makes 0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.440 me Paul McCartney. There's only a halful of people that 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:10.960 can say they've done that, they've done something. But that though, 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:14.440 and I always said I wanted to be Quincy Jones and. 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:21.760 Not shade to the R word. Were you allowed to 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.720 do it alone or were people over your shoulder as well? 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:24.800 No? 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:29.840 We were Dolo, was me, Dre and Chris. Yeah, I 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:31.680 got the picture of him. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:34.440 I see them had a car, remember the two other engineers, 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.320 but they were really Bruce, this is right hands but no, 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.080 it was straight us. 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:42.880 Nobody there the man's spleen or or. 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:46.680 Nothing. 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.400 How long did you talk to him afterwards? Like how 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:53.960 does that relationship dissipate? Like it was cool, she was cool. 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.440 So we were in New York for two weeks and 0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:00.320 then we mixed in l a spent you know, a 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.880 couple of days on that that. He listens to everything 0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:06.840 way too loud. I couldn't handle it. Like see speakers vibrating, 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:07.560 imagine your. 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.840 Eyeballs doing that. That's how loud it was. 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:13.840 Him and doctor Dre the loudest like playback I've ever 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:14.840 experienced in my life. 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:17.040 Michael Jackson and Dre. 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:17.640 And that's just like. 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.160 There's a lot going on. It's a lie. 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:27.040 So got I had a moment because you don't be 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:29.440 having a moment you were. 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.440 You just step aside for a second and understand what 0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:34.240 you're doing and be present in the moment, Like, oh, 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:34.800 you don't. 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.760 Hate being sentimental. I know you think you're gonna break 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:40.120 me on it's gonna break me down on. 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:43.720 His own show in those earrings. 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.720 That was my way of giving I can't be sensitive 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:48.440 in the moment because I'm a parent now. 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:53.120 No, seriously, it's emotional. It is highly emotional and. 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:59.440 I think that's a that's awesome I think for him. 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:01.960 I mean, of course, yeah, I wish he was still 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.880 here making music. But if that has to be his 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.520 swan song of a single, I mean that's his last 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:14.240 living single it is, then that's that's a way to 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:15.320 go out for me. 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:19.120 Yeah, justin nothing, justin John, I'm just. 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:22.280 He was. 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:24.840 I like that song. But he did that in nineteen 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:25.280 eighty one. 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:28.280 And not to Drake one either because whatever. 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:33.920 Okay, yeah, that's posthumous, like Butterflies is his last released 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.200 single as he's living on his last album. When did 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:40.440 the Acon Joints come out? But that was going to 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.600 be starting something the whole my hand. Yeah, it takes 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:47.880 it official. Yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away from. 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:53.360 You know what, between Mike and Prince, there was the 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:58.600 most unrealistic like deaths as far as celebrities that I 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:00.840 just never saw life without them. 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:04.240 Me and Fante were in Atlanta or no, you weren't there. 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:05.960 I wasn't there, so you called me. I was in 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.760 Atlanta to do a Prints party and it ended up 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:10.000 turning to a Michael Jackson party. 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:18.320 Really crazy because he came because Michael was I don't know, yeah, yeah, 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:29.560 Mike died he was there. Nice s wrong the whole deeper, deeper. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:33.160 J that's what you said. 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:41.080 Okay, So. 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:48.280 What were your what were the the moves uh that 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:54.360 prompted you to finally come with your your your solo 1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:56.400 phase of your career? 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:59.080 Mm hmm too many things. 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:01.400 Is this something that you can step away from and 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:03.920 maybe we'll get back together in three. 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:08.800 Years or oh no, it was split dead done so when. 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:09.960 We did so when we did the show, because we 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:12.480 did a show together like this was like twenty fifteen. Yeah, 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:14.040 was that just a show and then. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:14.240 That was it? 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:21.080 That was crazy. But the reuniting of what was dead 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:25.200 end of six. So flow Tree really only existed from 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:29.160 what nineteen nine, ninety eight, ninety nine till two thousand 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:33.360 and six, officially and making our mark clearly in Philadelphia 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:36.840 where it catapulted, but by ways of Atlanta of course, 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:40.560 Ying Yang Cafe, Black Lily gets signed wherever Mike in 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.720 two thousand and one, Floet It comes in two thousand 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:46.720 and two. We tour four years, but then we did 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:49.160 two albums, well technically three because we did the live 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:53.200 album Fluicism in two thousand and three. Then Flowology comes 1:02:53.240 --> 1:02:56.360 two thousand and five, two thousand and six, it was dead. 1:02:57.360 --> 1:03:00.360 So then what was the Amanda, are you going to 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:09.480 why you're looking why you're looking at I'm ready are 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:12.720 going to ask I forgot about that question. 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:17.360 So that happened by ways of management. So I'm still 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:24.040 signed that Geffen DreamWorks dissolved, and that turns into Okay, 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:27.919 we'll keep these three artists from that label and turn 1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:31.360 you over to Geffen into Scope, one of which was Flowistry, 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:35.400 So we're now we're into Scope. I have the relationship 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:39.120 that I have with One Fair and Jimmy Ivan, and 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:44.040 they're very much into Okay, Flowology is this album. Superstar 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:48.520 is the single What's next? So I'm like, we'll make 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.080 going to and make another album. 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:50.720 Cool. 1:03:52.080 --> 1:03:59.600 Fast forward to management on r N. Jay Irving, who 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:04.480 was Flow choose manager that entire time. Nat doesn't want 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.200 him to manage her anymore. She's now got this boyfriend 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:11.320 at the time managing her, who poses, so it's kind 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:17.840 of like, you know, it's like, you know where they 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:22.560 So we're talking about being young women that have come 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:23.600 up in this industry. 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:25.800 You think it's going to be one way. 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:29.680 People have their own agendas, and he was clearly steering 1:04:29.760 --> 1:04:33.040 her in the wrong way. So once he gave an 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.600 ultimatum with Geffen that if they don't offer. 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:40.080 Her a solo deal, they're walking. 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:45.280 Jimmy I been and Rounfair say okay, yeah, which is 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:47.760 kind of what I mean. It was no one was 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.560 there was there was no room to call any bluffs here, 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:52.320 like you didn't have a leg to stand on going 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.840 in there for that what that was we're talking about 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:55.800 Gwen Stefani here. 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:58.520 This is nothing that they were checking for. 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:00.640 There were ways to go about whatever it is that 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:03.240 you wanted, and it was just done the absolutely wrong way. 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:08.040 So once management was one sided for Flower Try it 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:12.240 was okay walk. Now we're no longer. Now we're missing 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:15.680 a member. I'm still signed and obligated. Well, what I 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:19.280 thought at the time was obligated to fulfill this contract 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:20.400 in order to get out of it. 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:27.240 So I'm stuck with Geffen and they want to do 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:27.720 a to all. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:34.120 So the idea was get a standing, So management says, well, 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:37.280 a friend of a management thanks, Ryan says, I know 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:40.360 this chick. Amanda Will was a manager at the time. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:44.880 Amanda Sales and we meet hit it off immediately. I'm 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:46.640 like all right, cool, this is what it's about to be. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:52.840 But the layers too, That is, you don't have a 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:56.760 level of understanding of what you what effect you have 1:05:56.920 --> 1:05:59.520 on people until you're presented with that. So when you're 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:03.200 on tour and you're standing there with what was people's flowatry, 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:07.240 and it's like, well, who's this? I can't help what people. 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:07.440 Do to that. 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:11.280 So it was a lot of negativity from fans at first. 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:13.800 That turns into Amanda turning on me. 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:15.760 It's your phone. I'm like, listen, do you know what 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:18.360 happened in order for you to stand there right now? 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:21.960 I know your tears are warranted on your end, but 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:25.080 you don't have a floaty tier to drop right now. 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:27.400 You don't understand what I've been through to do this. 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:31.000 So it's like I kind of want to I wanted 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.680 to pull out hair. I'm ready to fight. 1:06:34.000 --> 1:06:34.280 It was. 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:38.000 It was bad, but it was bad for several reasons, 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:44.240 and that was just that one summer tour. So oh no, no, no, no, Well, 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:48.440 because me and Amanda were recorded a bunch of songs 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:50.600 like just they wanted to hear flowtry songs too, so 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.320 it was like exactly, So the tour was very much 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:56.880 Flowerty songs embellished a little bit, and then that was that. 1:06:57.000 --> 1:06:59.840 So that was two thousand and seven Flower Try Remixed Tour. 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:05.280 And after that was deaded, I had to get legal 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:07.240 to step in to make sure that my paperwork was 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:09.120 straight and I wasn't obligated to get a R in 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:11.760 the scope anymore on that end, And once that was cool, 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:13.360 I was done. 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:14.560 And then. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.920 Good old Peter Edge that was then A and r 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:23.480 J Records and a fellow brit I felt like the 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:25.240 right move and I. 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.680 Was welcomed with open arms. And there's late nights and 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:28.280 early mornings. 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:32.920 Wow. So the very strong hope she cheat on you 1:07:33.040 --> 1:07:35.880 with the basketball? Oh about that? 1:07:38.880 --> 1:07:40.600 I you streamed. 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.400 One late night and I freestyled that I was playing 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:47.360 the chords and we were joking about something and I 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:48.600 was like, oh, you should record it. 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:49.760 So I did. 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:52.640 Came to New York and KNI by ways of just 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:57.720 Blaze did that record together, and before I knew it 1:07:57.840 --> 1:07:59.680 was on the radio. I didn't even know that was 1:07:59.720 --> 1:07:59.920 going to. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.280 What do you think about all those theories about what 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:04.360 the song was about, because you know, the blogs were 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:06.120 talking there were theories about I hope she teaches you 1:08:06.160 --> 1:08:07.040 on you with a basketball player. 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.560 Yeah, there was a theory that it was a boat 1:08:10.640 --> 1:08:13.360 on shoot. Now I'm going to put people's how do. 1:08:13.400 --> 1:08:13.640 You do this? 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:14.680 How do the quest level? 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:17.719 There was a theory that it was about an artist 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:20.320 that you knew that you were affiliated, who had cheated 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:22.080 with your a friend of your These are two males 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:24.639 and they were friends, and they were working with each 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:28.559 other and once slept with the others. That's the facts, okay, 1:08:29.600 --> 1:08:31.559 And then they had to fight at your at your 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:33.400 gym session, grabar party. 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:34.599 Oh, it was a whole thing. 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:43.919 Oh wow, I need to smoke signals. I need I'm lost. 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:45.280 Because I know you know. 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:51.559 You on stage and you gave me the look because 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:53.519 that was the year you wanted to infuse. 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:56.840 I think I did like a Josy feen in Mary 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:58.920 j f or something like. 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:03.320 I didn't eyes that that was inspired from that. What 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:03.840 was going on? 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:04.840 That was age. 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:07.040 It was scary. It was scary. 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:09.760 It was It was scary because you know your boy 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:11.800 from Baltimore. You know what I'm saying, your other boy, 1:09:11.840 --> 1:09:13.439 he not knowing the fight, So I was like, please 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:14.400 don't kill him, like. 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.320 Because and he was just a friend. 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:21.080 Yes, he was just a friend. Don't you say a name. 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:23.160 I was just. 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:26.919 Yes, Mario who fought. 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:31.320 Stories. 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:33.840 And everyone's like, oh, mysh, what happened with such and such. 1:09:34.479 --> 1:09:37.200 It's just it's not only just me that was there. 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:40.639 That didn't happen, you lion, No, we were all all 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:41.360 saw it. 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.880 So you can google it, just look up Mario. 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:47.639 But that's exactly what really. 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:48.799 It was on YouTube. 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:50.280 It was on it was news. 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:57.080 I didn't know that. Okay, let me see Christmas time 1:09:57.120 --> 1:09:59.799 with and this is what happens. 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:02.479 I I call people anytime I'm doing an interview. I 1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:04.360 was like, you know, I run my mouth like, this 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:05.920 is this is all of it. It's not about you. 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:08.200 This is never shade. This is just facts. 1:10:08.360 --> 1:10:11.760 So if you want to heal, you can't heal what 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:12.679 you don't reveal. 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:20.400 You cannot heal if you don't reveal, So. 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:23.960 Then don't heal. Just don't reveal keyloids. 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:31.120 My mother almost tortured me with pictures of keyloids, saying 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:33.400 that I would never get my ears pissed and fear 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:33.760 that that. 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:34.760 Was going to happen to me. 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:36.439 I got something from the chicken pox. 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:37.800 I see, it's not right. 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:42.519 It's really where this conversation, I don't know. He out 1:10:43.600 --> 1:10:47.200 Keloyds is what happened when you heal too much. Don't 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.679 gossip about other people's business right. 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.960 Here, I'm sorry late nice early mornings. 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.439 So that's how Late Night Chasing Clouds is. 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:03.200 Like Science Michigan produced I record, and I remember hearing 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:05.920 Science and all of his production and I was like, 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:10.120 I want that. It was so cinematic and it makes 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:12.160 me cry. I can't even perform that song. It's just 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:15.000 so like never ending story on top of foul call. 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:21.000 I remember, I wish I remember before it, before the 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:22.680 album came out, we were doing the show. It was 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:25.560 for an exchange and we were doing the show and 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:29.560 maybe it was Baltimore, but anyway, we were doing the 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.160 show and we were all hanging out at the hotel 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:33.760 and you were playing me early stuff late night, like 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:35.960 before I came out. You had all these jams on 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:38.759 your laptop and you had a jam called first Position. 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:44.160 This is how Petty Marsh is and I love it. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.360 She has a jam like she would be playing her 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:49.280 I think you said that you were playing your cousin 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:52.960 brother like with like brand. 1:11:55.280 --> 1:11:55.920 PlayStation. 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:59.400 So it's a racing game and so she beat the 1:11:59.479 --> 1:12:01.679 nigga and she recorded a jam called First Position. 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:02.920 So she be. 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:21.320 Like, it's like, it's like if Freddie Mercury with Phil 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:26.679 Collins drum intro came and just did like Bohemian rats, straight, 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:33.519 very loud harmony in flash Gordon's about to. 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:34.639 Marry Dale or something. 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.360 It's just like a short little snippet you'll play with. 1:12:37.200 --> 1:12:37.479 It was like. 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:41.639 My favorite, so putting it out there. 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:44.800 I don't know what video game it could be synonymous with, 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:46.520 but First Position. 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:48.960 Is He'll make you feel like. 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:51.479 Place. 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:54.200 I love that. I never forgot that. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:55.680 That is incredible. 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:02.160 Wait. Also Far Away was on the Yeah, that was Yes, 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:02.799 that's late. 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:06.640 Night morning to that video. Yeah, shut and where was 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:09.960 that across the wall Edgewood, New Jersey. 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:12.160 Yeah, I was proud when you did that video. That 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:13.439 was dope for the community. 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:16.599 Just curious, how did you look up Sterling Sterling Sims 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:17.280 for that record? 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:18.080 You know what? 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:23.360 I'd known Sterling through Ivan Barias, who introduced when he 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:26.040 was doing Yeah, I never noticed. 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:26.880 I never knew. 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:33.120 Because ambrosious, but I don't know sounds right to me. 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:40.320 Wait you're ambrosius? Wait wait wait, I'm getting it was 1:13:40.479 --> 1:13:41.800 five seconds old when I just. 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:49.760 Learned, so you've been saying ambrocious, that's the merit. 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:51.400 Guy, Ambrosia. 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:54.759 Well, this lady in the mall called me, I'm Burrows, 1:13:57.840 --> 1:13:59.519 you know again. 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:09.400 I was just like, wow, I've been saying it right 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:12.840 for ten years, thinking I've been saying it wrong. 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:15.040 He got it here with it. 1:14:15.280 --> 1:14:15.559 Wow. 1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:21.040 Atarling was in what was Mike MacArthur in them studio 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:23.160 home cooking, Home Cooking. 1:14:23.320 --> 1:14:25.080 Yeah, it was a home cooking upstairs and they had 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.040 that basketball court in there, and I was like, oh, 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.800 Philly kids work with him. Then when I went to Atlanta, 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:34.840 we were working together, and then we just ended up 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:37.479 doing a whole bunch of sessions and we're in la 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:38.559 at the time, and. 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:41.160 I was like, well in La. 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:41.880 Yeah. 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:43.719 So I was like far Away, I have a hook, 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:45.560 I have a verse one. I was like, hit this 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:48.880 verse two, hit verse two, and then tell that far Away. 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:53.360 How did you you covered? Uh? Well, I knew if 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:58.000 Lauren's version lose myself, how did how did that? So? 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:02.439 I love the song and I remember Peter Rech and 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:04.240 myself had the conversation. It was like I need to 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:05.680 hear this song, and I was like, I know it. 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:08.160 I said, you're talking about Lauren Hill happy. I said, 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:10.080 you listening to this lyrically? He was like, yo, if 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:12.320 you slow this down kind of sold it out to 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:13.680 do an uptemper version of it. 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:16.679 I was like yeah. I was like, I'd love Lauren 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.160 to do that. I said, no, you do that, and 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:19.519 I was like okay. 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:22.360 And then I went through a bunch of production ideas, 1:15:22.479 --> 1:15:25.600 and because CANi and I had, you know, built a 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:29.880 rapport at that time doing hope she cheats and you 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:32.800 know other things, it was okay, let's do let's do this. 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:34.280 Ended up doing this myself. 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:39.560 So how did you develop your relationship with doctor dre So? 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:40.600 And I feel like. 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:46.559 I've heard the story from a comrade of ours shoringy 1:15:46.640 --> 1:15:47.519 shout out to Schorngy. 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:50.720 He was just like, yo, man, doctor dre is like 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:55.560 obsessed with Marshall. That's his favorite singer of all time? Like, so, 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:56.840 how did how did? How did? 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.599 It's crazy because of other people that have worked with him, 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:06.719 it was like I might be the only artist period 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:08.160 that can go in there and do what I want. 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:09.320 I'm like, dre this is good. 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:11.600 He's like, okay, no, I've heard that. I've heard it 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:12.200 from other people. 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:14.439 This, yeah, so you'll make everybody do something like a 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:17.320 million times with Marsh's like okay, like it's good. 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:19.240 It's like just add more backgrounds in there. A couple 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:23.320 of others like cool. So he came to a Flowatry show. 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:27.679 He came to the Roxy in La on Sunset, small 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:33.599 little dingy Roxy and we were doing a double gig. Oh, 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:37.360 this was a wild night. So it's doctor Dre, Swizz Beats, 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:39.439 A couple of other people came to the first half, 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.400 and Prince comes to the second show. 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.360 So it was just a wild night. But we get 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:48.160 back on the tour bus and I get Jay. 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:51.040 Jay Irving says, you know, You've got a phone call 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:54.040 and it's Dre's people saying they want me to come. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:57.040 Through to the studio. So this is like oh earlier six. 1:16:57.680 --> 1:17:00.559 So I'm like, you know what, Sure go over there 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:05.479 and I cut a record called Mama's House. Like one take. 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:08.040 He played me this beat him and Mark Batson. Yeah, 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:10.759 Mark Batson and him did this track. 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:12.040 And I was like, what is this? 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:13.960 Put me in the booth because I felt like I 1:17:14.000 --> 1:17:16.679 had something to prove it's Dre. I was like, I'm 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:18.880 not about to fund this up, put me in the 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:22.200 booth and he was like, you got something already to this. 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:23.400 Oh yeah. 1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:37.080 So then after that, after that demo, we were just 1:17:37.200 --> 1:17:40.400 cool and then clearly did the stuff with the game 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:43.639 with Bus and then it turns into do a project 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.840 over there. I'm like, yeah, But from that I built 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:50.000 the relationships that I have with you know, his other 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:57.320 team of producers, one of which Focus, And that's how we. 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:03.479 Got how many people in Jay's Dre's click Like, is 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.240 it steroids? 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:05.519 No? 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:06.280 Not really. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.040 He's very contained and it will be like, okay, I'm 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:12.559 banging with this sonically and stay there. So it's really 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:15.280 two or three people that will stay in rotation at 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:17.960 one time. But Focus has been and still is and 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.400 will remain to be the most consistent. 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:23.719 Yeah, Focuses, that was how I really. 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:25.559 I mean because I knew you of course, like from 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:27.760 Floydri and stuff, but like when you and Focus started 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:29.360 working together, me and him was doing stuff at the 1:18:29.400 --> 1:18:31.479 time and he was playing me stuff. It was the 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:34.400 first mixtape y'all did, right, yours truly, yours truly. 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:36.920 We have a ten year anniversary coming out. That's ten 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:41.639 years ago. Yeah, that's crazy, but yeah, what the fuck. 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:45.200 So I still bump that mixtape still Sunshine. 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:48.960 Oh yeah, damn. We did do something that record. Yeah, 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:51.559 we did it, a little Brother Marshall record called Sunshine. 1:18:51.760 --> 1:18:52.240 This was God. 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:55.400 That was ten years That was ten years ago and 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:59.519 still bangs like yeah, So that's how that happened. 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.160 And then who's the conceptualizer of friends and Lovers? Because me, 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:11.639 I do all of my albums songs. That's my favorite. 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:13.720 That's the one for me. 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:20.120 Pop and oak Well Pop oak Flip produced that. We 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:23.080 did that at Sigma Sounds in Philly. Well, what was 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:23.840 Sigma Sounds? 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:24.679 That's so sad. 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:29.679 And the music just got me gone, right the building, 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.519 I think it's gone. The building is gone twelve and 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:33.200 what's that twelve? 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:34.240 And racing was gone? 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:38.400 So you and I was, I don't know. 1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:41.880 The music just sounded sad. It sounded very throwback. 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:45.280 I pictured the Jackson five singing the hook and then 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:48.519 this chick on a train like I'm gonna go tell 1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:50.600 him I love him, but I know he about to 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:51.080 get married. 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:52.640 But I'm just have to tell him to get off 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:53.080 of my chest. 1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:57.240 Repercussions and repercussions, and I did so conceptually, that was 1:19:57.320 --> 1:19:59.880 the story that I wanted to have for that. 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:03.160 But I love that song Thank You. 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:06.800 It's this is the real story of y'all two getting together, 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:08.639 as as interested as all these songs. 1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:09.719 Oh yeah, our stories. 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:10.280 We're talking. 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:12.559 Song? 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:12.880 Is it? 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:15.000 I'm like, which song I thought we were. 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:16.880 Not? 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:20.120 Sorry? 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:23.519 Sorry, you have to know how to get there? 1:20:23.560 --> 1:20:29.479 So yeah, sorry, other songs on the album, you go 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:29.800 for it? 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:35.679 What else is on that? We spend all my time? 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:37.679 Oh my god, Charlie. 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:42.719 Now my aunt passed away from cancer, and I remember 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.679 my cousins hitting me like, oh, she's good, she's doing good, 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:48.360 she's in remission. Oh it came back, but it's not 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.360 that bad. And over a two month, three month period, 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.200 it went from being okay to really know being okay, 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.320 Like in the blink of an I felt like and 1:20:56.400 --> 1:20:58.840 I was like, you know what, you can't get time back. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.160 Everyone's like, I don't want to spend all my time 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:03.559 with you. So it was never about there's no money 1:21:03.600 --> 1:21:05.519 for this. I don't have the budget that would take 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.160 to heal you from cancer. You haven't and there's nothing 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:11.040 we could do. Whether I had a trillion dollars or 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:13.320 a buck in the account, there was nothing I could 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:15.559 do so it was like, you know, I just want. 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:16.400 To spend all my time with you. 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:18.040 Charlie Wilson was your. 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:23.280 Yeah, only choice. It was original, just just me on 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:25.800 the track. I was like, if I had someone has 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:26.679 to be uncle Charlie. 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:30.519 You ever watching warm up his voice before he listen? 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:34.479 Have you ever seen him do this person? He did 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:35.000 a little bit. 1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:38.600 He love it. 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.240 Yeah, but that's that's maintenance, Like he plays no games, 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.400 like he sounds like records on records on records. 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.320 And he don't sing in the session unless it's at 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:50.679 least seventy two degrees something. We don't sing, no air conditioning, 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:52.040 Charlie Wilson, session. 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:57.479 Everything, Charlie. 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:03.200 So yeah, I spend all the time. They're the emotional songs. 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.479 So what are we getting at here? What's this going? 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:06.479 It was a point. 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:15.360 Take care shoes sixty nine. 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:17.479 You want to do a freaking one? Yeah, we do 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:18.080 a freaky one? 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:20.120 So what is the story? 1:22:20.120 --> 1:22:22.200 Where's the story with you and your husband? And then 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:24.680 we can kind of feel in Yeah, yeah, I think 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:27.040 sixty NFL good segue. 1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:31.360 We don't know martial like sex like it's cool. No, 1:22:31.600 --> 1:22:35.160 I had a wild dream that I was a stripper, okay. 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:40.880 Within that week that I was recording with the interns 1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:44.720 so Too and Coase. At the time, we're on this 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:50.000 very much sexual wave and I. 1:22:50.120 --> 1:22:52.360 Was like, you know what, I have something for that 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:54.479 I don't think people expected from me. 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:55.640 So it was. 1:22:57.880 --> 1:23:06.920 Six ten nine, but it was really like, I don't know. 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:09.519 I was like, if Vanity six or Apolloni six did 1:23:09.920 --> 1:23:13.040 a song in what was that twenty fourteen, I think 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:13.559 it would have been. 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:15.639 At six Tina. 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:17.960 It was just like cute. I just thought it was cute. 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:19.160 It was very light work. 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:20.240 Yeah, it was very cute. 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:22.920 It was it was nice kissing fuck, it was amazing. 1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:23.439 Yeah. 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:25.280 I didn't want it to be an interlude. It was 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:26.200 an entire song. 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:29.479 And then they were like, oh, it's two acoustic guitar 1:23:29.680 --> 1:23:32.839 is because it's an acoustic guitar and vocalist. 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.760 Why does it have to do anything else other than 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:38.479 But I was like, you know what, I'll make it 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:39.880 a universe and. 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:42.559 Yeah, that was cute. 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.000 So talk about the transition, because I know that this 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:49.519 album was released on is it this your own. 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:50.840 Label or yeah? 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:55.120 So have our own situation Human Resources jeving our label, 1:23:55.320 --> 1:23:59.480 and we partnered with E one for NYLA. So transitioning 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:02.240 from what we're friends of Lovers on A well, I 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.439 wanted it to be Jay Records, and then that dissolves 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.639 and it becomes RCA, and then half the industry assigned 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:10.400 to that label, and it's I don't I can't do 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:13.360 Hamster Wheels anymore. And I remember Prince just being like, yo, 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:14.799 we just go independent. 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:16.360 I'm like, I don't know, I'm scared. 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:21.920 Go independent. Yeah, going, so thank you Prince. Then once 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:24.360 I was cleared, I was like, you know what, now 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:27.320 I can just create. Now I don't have to I 1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:33.120 want to. And that spawned the idea for NYLA because 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:35.679 Friends and Lovers I was in a before I met you, bab. 1:24:38.960 --> 1:24:41.679 Friends of Lovers was tough because I had to admit 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:44.920 that nothing was good for me, nothing, whether that was 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:47.840 the relationship I was in the things that I was 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:48.559 holding onto. 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:50.280 This industry that's full of. 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:59.000 Yes men and women and full of open bars and 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:02.000 anything that's to you, you can have it. And if 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:05.760 you just say yes to everything, like who are you really? 1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:12.160 So I was struggling. Yeah, I was definitely struggling a 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:14.320 little bit. And then I had to center myself and 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:16.280 go you know what, whatever I really want, I just 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:18.800 want to be happy. The one I was decided on 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:22.640 my own happiness is when everything fell into place. More importantly, 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:28.080 forgiveness and the whole flowtry situation was something that was 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.679 deaded at such a step in two thousand and six. 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:35.719 It weighed heavy on me throughout that entire time between 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:40.720 six and twenty fourteen. So twenty fourteen rolls around and 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:45.759 I say, you know what, I'm gonna forgive. So reached 1:25:45.800 --> 1:25:48.240 out to Nat, said, look what's up. It would be 1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:50.880 good for the fans. Let's just reconnect. And that was 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.240 my way of getting that weight off of my back. 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:56.200 And once we did twenty fifteen, that first tour, that's 1:25:56.240 --> 1:26:00.400 when we did the show. My husband though here it 1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:02.600 was a part of the tour, and I didn't know. 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:05.479 I just kept seeing this very consistent, fine chocolate face 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:08.880 and body, and it's like, who. 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:12.200 Is out? 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:14.040 Let's anyway? 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:15.800 No keep that going? 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:16.200 Sorry? 1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:23.400 I was like, he's fine, fine, like Ralph Angel, Queen Sugar, fine, 1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:24.880 Like who is that? 1:26:25.080 --> 1:26:27.439 But can he talk louder than Ralph Angel? Yeah? 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:29.840 It's very very. 1:26:32.760 --> 1:26:35.080 Watch everything subtitles, you. 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:36.680 Know what I say? 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:38.640 The other day he's like you know Christian Bell does 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:42.800 his Batman voy ye that he's gonna stopped, but I 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.920 think it's good for that current Don Ralph angels that. 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:52.800 Anyway. Desmond, Yeah, back to dead let's go. 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:56.120 He was wearing this red fitted and I was backstage 1:26:56.120 --> 1:26:59.599 and I was like, who is this? It's like, oh, 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:02.479 my role managem. Mitch was like, I told you, I'm 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:04.479 bringing someone else on the tour, you know you and 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.080 I was traveling separately, like he's gonna cover that side 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:08.800 of things. I'm gonna cover you. I was like, oh, 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:12.320 so he's on the tour, so I'm gonna see him 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:12.960 married day. 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:14.400 Okay. Cool. 1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:19.000 So that's what right about this last week of June 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:23.320 apparently twenty fifteen, So apparently we met in an elevator 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:27.479 in Cleveland, Ohio, and I didn't say hello or I 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:28.760 kind of gave him the brush up. 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:32.360 Y'all did the whole tour and didn't Oh no, no. 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:40.560 Wait wait wait, So June fifteen it was because he 1:27:40.840 --> 1:27:41.960 was Game six. 1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:47.320 Okay, I was going to Game six Caves versus worries. 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:48.280 That was on my mind. 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:53.000 I wasn't taking no one, no, no, no. So I 1:27:53.200 --> 1:27:57.080 am still having issues with the whole flowtry situation. I 1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.439 was like, Wow, nothing will ever change, but you know 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:01.720 what this is for me. This isn't about nothing else 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:04.280 but for me. So I'm gonna go through it. Watch 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:09.479 game six caves lose worries when Andrea goodal MVPs very bizarre. 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:13.640 Fast forward to that last week and I'm like, you 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:18.280 know what, I'm just gonna say, what's up? So I approached, Yeah, 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:21.919 look at the risks. 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:25.400 Still there. 1:28:25.880 --> 1:28:29.320 So so. 1:28:30.960 --> 1:28:34.320 I initiated the conversation and it was very much you know, 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:37.920 yes or no answers, and I'm like, okay, we get 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:39.120 to Norfolk, Virginia. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:40.960 Though uh. 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:46.919 Yeah, Virginia is for loving Virginia. 1:28:56.439 --> 1:29:00.559 I love you because at the North the actual venue, 1:29:00.720 --> 1:29:04.800 they have a basketball court upstairs and a spar jakoozie 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:07.519 and a great upright piano in the room, but more 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:10.240 importantly a basketball court. And I saw him taking a 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:12.600 couple of shots and I was like, oh, I. 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:17.040 Play, you know exactly exactly. 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:32.200 So that night. 1:29:33.720 --> 1:29:36.840 Everything in Norfolk was closed. Why is everything closed eleven 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.400 or something crazy? So I wanted to. 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:41.519 Grab a bite to eat. I texted him and said, Yo, 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:43.080 you wanted me to be down in the lobby off. 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.320 Did you beat him the game? 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:53.320 No, we didn't play, said no, and our holds up 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:56.040 there and all of my show outfit and high heels. 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:58.080 Was like, oh, so he checked the form and stuff 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:00.200 and then rolled and then I texted him and said, yeah, 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:01.280 you want to go grab something to eat? 1:30:01.360 --> 1:30:04.519 Everything's closed, mind you. So we walk from what is 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.800 downtown It's that more right there next to the river. 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:20.439 We ended up with the cookout listen to cookout, Milkshakeshake. 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:22.640 Cookout. 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:26.599 It was it was like a three hour, four hour walk, 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:30.120 but it was corny too. We ran through sprinklers. It 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:35.280 was very, very wrong com made for TV. Lifetime could 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.080 have got a Netflix still would have been like a 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:39.439 you know, a limited series and HBO. 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:45.639 We went X rated. So that night I remember calling 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:47.639 my mother. He broke me back to my room. 1:30:47.720 --> 1:30:52.920 We got the burgers and talked about love life, god, everything, believes, dreams, aspirations, 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:55.360 and I was like, Mom, I've met the one. 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:57.559 He's the one I'm telling you. She was like, well, 1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:58.040 what happened? 1:30:58.600 --> 1:30:59.639 I was like, we kissed. 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:02.840 She was like a memoir. I was like, that's it. 1:31:04.160 --> 1:31:06.720 I was like, who do you think I am waiting for? 1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:08.000 This elaborate, dirty story. 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:09.360 I was like, this is the date, this is like 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:12.960 the first date, so technically, and then by the time 1:31:13.040 --> 1:31:15.160 we go to Philly a week later, we were doing it. 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:25.200 Well I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:31.720 It's just the most wonderful time of the wonderful So yeah, 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:32.479 but we can. 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:36.439 We get to Philly and we're doing it, and I 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:39.519 guess at that point the whole tour, you know, every musician, 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:40.519 every bad memory. 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:44.439 Gentlemen, you have to understand that he's literally sitting like 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:48.120 a yard heard. 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:53.479 He knows it's the most wonderful time of the year. 1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:02.479 I can this platform to talk about microphone quar. 1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:12.120 It. No, no, I don't want to you know, infrared 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:13.320 uh beam. 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:18.920 Well, we finished that tour on my birthday actually, and 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:21.920 August eighth, we were in Maryland a thing, or might 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:25.560 even Baltimore. So do that show and find out that, 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:27.280 you know, we both live in LA and said, when 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:28.960 we get back to LA, you know, let's not make 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:31.680 this just a tour, like make this the thing thing. 1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:35.120 So my dad was in town. I flew my dad 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:41.519 out and my sister and my stepmother and they're staying 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:44.320 at my place in l A. And I was like, Dad, 1:32:44.479 --> 1:32:48.240 I have someone I want you to meet already, but 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:50.840 it just happened that my dad was staying in LA 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:51.800 for that couple of days. 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:52.920 So I was like, do you know what is going 1:32:53.000 --> 1:32:53.320 to happen? 1:32:53.360 --> 1:32:54.880 I'm a fall in love and what's going to be 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:58.960 weird is if I come home for Christmas. You know, 1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:01.360 from August eighth through to December. I said, I don't 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:04.760 want to come home in December with someone. You guys, 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.040 what's this guy wanting to meet him now? Because I 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:12.040 just know so, Daddy, but that's weird and weird. He 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:15.000 wasn't weird, no, because I met his mother day one 1:33:16.000 --> 1:33:18.519 because we were picking her up and his other auntie 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:19.879 from a concert. 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:22.320 I remember what concert that was, like the o Jays. 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:25.120 Something said, aunt. 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:40.360 We walk around the house just just periodically, like blurting out, 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:42.799 like you have to for anybody's auntie. 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:46.280 So yeah, shout outs to Ken and yeah. 1:33:46.680 --> 1:33:51.719 We moved in about September fifteen and went home for Christmas. 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:53.479 We went back to the UK for like a month 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:57.760 because we did a floaty show out there, and then 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:02.200 he met my entire family, like straight Liverpool strong scouse accents, 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:08.479 like it was this marshal you moved to America eighteen 1:34:08.640 --> 1:34:10.679 years ago and we haven't seen one fellow. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:21.560 Who's this I'm still I put on an accent just 1:34:21.640 --> 1:34:22.680 to make you. 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:23.760 Give us a proper version. 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:27.840 This is like a hybrid I've lived in I used 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:36.519 to live. I hate marm anyway, I hate I hate football, 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:41.560 and well I'm from Liverpool, so Liverpool, come on, you 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:43.200 Reds can't be Everton. 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:44.040 It's not gonna happen. 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:49.880 But yeah, I'm I'm I'm okay, No, not really, because 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:51.639 I do mince pies at Christmas. 1:34:51.880 --> 1:34:52.320 I love that. 1:34:52.439 --> 1:34:55.240 I love a good old custard with a nice sponge cake. 1:34:55.960 --> 1:35:00.679 I love tea and biscuits, bangers and bank as a mash. 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:02.120 I love Shepherd's pie. 1:35:04.600 --> 1:35:22.000 A mash see is good night? 1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:24.200 So we have nothing else? 1:35:24.240 --> 1:35:25.960 Do we get what we so? 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:26.280 Yeah? 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:30.560 And then well fast forward to after that Christmas. We 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:35.000 get back April. We're about to go on the second 1:35:35.439 --> 1:35:38.360 reuniting a flowtry because popular demand wants us to go 1:35:38.479 --> 1:35:40.680 on tour again. Those guarantees came in. I looked at 1:35:40.720 --> 1:35:42.479 them and said that we can do this within the year. 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:46.280 What about house babe, Let's go went back out on tour. 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:50.320 Because it's our job and our career and against everything 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:54.160 I wanted to do. Yeah, yeah, So we did flow 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:57.360 Try again twenty sixteen, which would be the last. 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:01.160 But one week into that tour we find out we're pregnant. 1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:06.280 So if you've played at Yoshi's before in Oakland, so 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:07.960 you do two shows a night. 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:10.799 We did two shows the night at Yoshi's, four days 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:15.080 back to back to start the tour. So the first 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.559 date was in Sacramento and we were on a flight 1:36:18.760 --> 1:36:23.280 on the way there and Des, my husband collapsed on 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:27.760 this flight, like we had an early Black Girl's work 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:30.400 was in New Jersey. We taped that got on an 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.479 early flight to get to the first Floaty show. 1:36:33.040 --> 1:36:35.000 Hadn't really eaten. I think that's what it was. We 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:35.720 just didn't eat. 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:38.080 But he collapsed on this plane that they were about 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:42.439 to land. It in the middle of nowhere, and I 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:44.800 guess there was a nurse on the flight that assisted 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:47.599 kind of made sure everything was okay. They took us 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:51.680 blood pressure and when we googled it, pregnant women come up. 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:55.240 So I'm like, whatever, and this is early, so this 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:58.160 is like the first couple of days Aprils might have 1:36:58.160 --> 1:37:01.360 been April second so we do that showing Sacramento. He's 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:04.800 now healthy, everything is okay. We do Yoshi's four days 1:37:04.840 --> 1:37:06.679 back to back, get to l A, and we're playing 1:37:06.760 --> 1:37:09.080 The Wilton that night. So what it was we were 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.200 flying for the first week, and then we were getting 1:37:11.240 --> 1:37:14.400 on a tour bus. So I decided to do a 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:17.000 pregnancy test for fear that I would just be on 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:18.760 this tour bus stick out on my mind if I 1:37:19.000 --> 1:37:21.640 was pregnant. I wasn't taking it, like I'm pregnant, just 1:37:21.800 --> 1:37:27.559 check it. So we did an interview with a popular 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:30.679 blog site, I'll say that and they leave the house 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:33.800 and I'm like, okay, I'm just going to take this test, babe, 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:36.719 I'm paying on it. I'm just gonna check I'm pregnant. 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:40.360 I didn't say it like that, but that's how quick 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:41.439 it said. 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:41.720 I was. 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:43.960 I paid on it and it said pregnant. So I'm 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:46.760 waiting for the not to come up, like I was like, 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:48.800 how does this work? 1:37:48.880 --> 1:38:04.840 Does it? Just? That was good? 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:05.360 That was good. 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:06.080 That's right. 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:11.000 I was created, and. 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:14.080 Then Dyla was created and we're pregnant. 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:16.439 And it was so early on I didn't want to 1:38:16.439 --> 1:38:18.080 tell anybody on the tour, but I didn't want to 1:38:18.120 --> 1:38:21.960 not do the tour. So by ways of the doctor, 1:38:22.040 --> 1:38:24.599 They're like, you're fine, you know it's early if you're healthy. 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:27.799 Let's just see how this goes. So I booked doctor's 1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:30.679 appointments throughout the tour. 1:38:30.920 --> 1:38:31.840 My first one was. 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:34.880 In Phoenix and if you played at the venue, the 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:41.000 celebrity arena stage, oh my god, I was going to die. 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:42.960 I was like, I'm so dizzy. 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:46.040 I couldn't wear the high heels that I anticipated wearing 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:50.519 for that tour and I'm now wearing these low what 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:56.719 the SB golgedes No, but I had chucks on my Nikes, 1:38:56.840 --> 1:38:59.360 my sb's and I'm like, I'm dizzy. 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:02.040 This is weird. I don't like it. So we get 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:04.400 to the doctor's like, yep, you are pregnant about you know, 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:07.800 five or six weeks. I'm like, oh, I'm on tour 1:39:08.000 --> 1:39:10.920 for like another month and a half or so, and 1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:13.000 I'm like, you know, just just see how you feel 1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:13.639 sow it goes. 1:39:14.280 --> 1:39:17.840 So I get to Pensacola, Florida, and I almost throw 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:18.800 up on the front row. 1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:20.080 Whoa. 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:22.680 It was rough because it was like one hundred and 1:39:22.800 --> 1:39:26.960 ten degrees and humid, and I could smell everything. It 1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:29.280 was like the bar and it had like the lemons 1:39:29.400 --> 1:39:33.560 and like that citrus smell. Anything sweet. I'm a dessert fanatic, 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:36.920 and when I was pregnant, I couldn't touch sugar without 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:41.160 throwing up. It was so it wasn't fair, Like nothing 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.439 I was straight. I needed lazed potato chips and like 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:46.320 bacon double cheeseburgers. I stopped eating red meat for seven years, 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:48.599 and as soon as I was pregnant, I needed steak. 1:39:49.880 --> 1:39:51.880 But I guess your body just tells you what you need. 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:54.439 And it was ridiculous. But yeah, So by the time 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:57.519 you know, we get off tour, everybody were pregnant. Peace 1:39:57.920 --> 1:40:05.240 by love you. And then December nineteenth, Nithera's here, She's 1:40:05.960 --> 1:40:09.280 I love already. You kept say. 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:11.280 I still love her. 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:16.559 My grandma comes on that kind of cuspy, but she's 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:18.720 definitely a saggy so tell us. 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.040 So you were saying a couple of questions. So you 1:40:21.120 --> 1:40:23.639 were saying, when you did that floaty tour, you knew 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.000 that was going to be like your last one. Oh yeah, 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:27.560 and what was how did you know? 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:30.479 When? 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:34.080 Not even about that? 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:36.320 Because Nat and myself could do a floaty show with 1:40:36.400 --> 1:40:38.760 our eyes closed, like we could have had a whole 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:41.040 fight and been on stage and given you the whole show, 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:43.960 and you would know no different. The creativity part of 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:48.280 it that will never well, hoping never will, but never die. 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:52.600 Personally could not tolerate. 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:57.280 Not only past, but if you're someone else's trigger for 1:40:57.400 --> 1:40:59.880 what just didn't happen for you, you can't help that. 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:01.879 You can forgive everything. 1:41:02.400 --> 1:41:04.960 But if I'm the one that remained in the US 1:41:05.040 --> 1:41:08.200 and still doing what I'm doing, I'm a constant reminder 1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:10.560 of what happened in two thousand and six, I'm a 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:14.639 constant reminder of reasons why things went left or right, 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:17.439 and there's nothing you can do to heal that other person. 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:19.479 So I feel once we got to the end of 1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:22.920 that tour and there's still smoking weed on the bus, 1:41:23.040 --> 1:41:23.879 you know I'm pregnant. 1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:25.200 Though it's the end. 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.479 It's then I was like, you don't wish well for 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:29.800 my life, and I don't care if it was done 1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:32.000 out of well. This is because in two thousand and 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:35.080 six you said, I'm like, I did this for right now. 1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:37.880 I know what I've done, I know what I've said, 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:42.040 I know things that I've possibly done that have killed 1:41:42.080 --> 1:41:44.679 you in some ways. And if you, like I said, 1:41:44.720 --> 1:41:46.560 if you can't heal what you don't reveal, if you 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:48.519 can't tell me what it is, I don't know. 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:50.280 I don't know. 1:41:50.479 --> 1:41:52.880 It's like saying, you know, I'm okay now, Well I'm 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:55.040 not like you don't when you like break up with 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:57.760 someone or you're you're mad at someone and you try 1:41:57.840 --> 1:42:00.880 and reconcile. I'm not ready to reconcile. And I guess 1:42:00.960 --> 1:42:04.240 for twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Initially with the twenty fifteen, 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:07.120 we both were. But you've also shown me who you 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:10.519 still are and still will be. And I'm cool on that. 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:13.400 And that's okay too. Wish you well on everything that 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:14.519 you do, but I don't. 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:22.280 I'm collectively we've all been in group situations where it's 1:42:22.320 --> 1:42:34.479 a lot of See I didn't think of that, but 1:42:34.600 --> 1:42:37.559 you know what it is. It's it's it's micro managing 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:43.599 personal lives. Because the music is that's your first hand. 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:46.360 We knew, we knew that part. It's everything else you 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.000 have to deal with that comes with that. So so 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:51.800 Nyla's out in stores, Nyler is out unavailable. 1:42:53.560 --> 1:42:56.040 Yeah, actually let's not. I do have a question about 1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:58.120 the music, Okay, go for it. 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:01.439 Are we ever going to get an officially released version 1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:04.040 of Yes, indeed, the team recover that you did. 1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:08.320 Dre and I discussed this and hopefully when it calls 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:11.560 for the moment it deserves, it shall be. But that 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:14.519 was a tough one to tackle about Tina Marie be 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:15.040 and one of my. 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:18.519 Said, right, oh yeah, yeah, and I remember you played 1:43:18.520 --> 1:43:20.000 it at that show and it's on YouTube and everything. 1:43:20.400 --> 1:43:22.080 Good God, I played it like five six times in 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:22.360 a row. 1:43:22.439 --> 1:43:25.360 You can't it crazy? But yeah, one day, one day 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:25.920 I'll hit Dre. 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:34.600 Also, uh, first position and we still what happened. 1:43:38.320 --> 1:43:41.720 First position when you gave said the text I want 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:42.160 to see. 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:48.880 Can't wait see. I wanted to ask about Cloud nine, but. 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:55.599 So well, I will say about Cloud nine live, played 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:58.920 it live, You're the only drama I have seen that 1:43:59.040 --> 1:43:59.920 on the planet. 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:05.000 Because I wasn't going to be embarrassed by my first 1:44:05.080 --> 1:44:07.080 gospel chops challenge. 1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:11.120 Have you heard Cloud Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's straight godless, 1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:15.840 It's I was like, never again. 1:44:16.600 --> 1:44:19.840 I went I went to that's the first night I 1:44:19.920 --> 1:44:23.120 spent the night at fallon my first night ever. 1:44:23.240 --> 1:44:26.120 I was like, no, I'm not going to get embarrassed. 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:28.800 On stage because I don't know how the gospel chop. 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:34.040 I went on YouTube learn how to play the drums. Yes, 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:40.400 I typed in gospel chops for dummies. 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:46.000 Yeah, it's eleven year old, like Filipino kid with his 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:47.040 own pate dog. 1:44:47.720 --> 1:44:49.240 It's YouTube, it's the Internet. 1:44:49.320 --> 1:44:50.760 Why not just call a tribute. 1:44:54.920 --> 1:45:06.200 Anyway? Oh f is this episode? To get there? Yeah? 1:45:06.280 --> 1:45:10.479 And I had to shed for like five hours straight. 1:45:10.880 --> 1:45:11.120 Wow. 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:12.760 Wow, that's how hard. 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:17.880 It's a tough one, but it's it's so good. Another focus, Yes, 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:19.920 shout out the focus. 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:22.800 That's the homie. I really yeah, I have great chemistry. Yeah. 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:24.200 I was so happy to see y'all work together for 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:24.639 like a whole. 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:28.479 That's my brother for real. It's definitely a musical assault mate. 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:32.120 He I mean, he's music woralty like it's in the 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:34.759 DNA like your dad is chic. 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:36.759 Yeah, so crazy. 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:43.360 Before we wrap up the show, what are your future plans? Mars? 1:45:44.160 --> 1:45:47.360 My future plans are creatively yo. 1:45:47.920 --> 1:45:49.679 I asked you that question four years ago. You said 1:45:49.720 --> 1:45:51.280 I just want to get married and have babies. 1:45:51.960 --> 1:45:56.799 So here we are four years later and now crusted 1:46:00.360 --> 1:46:03.639 TV and film horror being my favorite genre. 1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:08.160 Yeah, I would love to see you in a horror film. 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:10.040 I think you were about to say you. 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:17.280 Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, So what level are we talking 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:20.719 like round zombie level or are we talking well. 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:24.240 The zombie stuff is just Gore for Gore's sake. For me, 1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:26.240 sometimes it's it's I love it. 1:46:27.240 --> 1:46:32.680 I'm about because he's like, it's that. 1:46:32.920 --> 1:46:36.599 Yeah, never mind, it's the things that you don't see, 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:37.360 the scary. 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:40.600 And you. 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:47.760 So you you like thriller, psychological thrillers, Yeah, I love Okay, we. 1:46:48.160 --> 1:46:50.240 Added like horror. 1:46:51.680 --> 1:46:55.120 I'm gonna go, well, go on a whim and say 1:46:57.320 --> 1:46:59.080 and you can say, this is my original idea and 1:46:59.160 --> 1:47:01.040 I gave you here for it's gonna happen. 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:02.320 Okay. 1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:04.960 Picture of the movie. 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:10.800 Elm Street, And it's really about the suburban area of 1:47:10.920 --> 1:47:14.639 Elm Street and the parents that pluck to kill this man, 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:18.280 Freddy Krueger, who allegedly sexually abused a kid. 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:19.479 That's why he dies. 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:23.000 So it's the horror that you see in normal people 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:25.160 that you just go to the supermarket with. And they've 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:28.320 decided that this missing kid is his responsibility and we're 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:32.080 gonna kill him. And then Freddy has to like then 1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:34.400 declare his soul to the devil and says, you know what, 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:37.400 I'm gonna come back and haunt your kids and your 1:47:37.520 --> 1:47:42.280 kids kids. That entire flick is creeping me out thinking 1:47:42.360 --> 1:47:51.479 about it. Has to happen, though, prequel it is telling 1:47:51.520 --> 1:47:58.720 you that's my artist name. 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:02.760 Now be in six years mark over them so you 1:48:02.840 --> 1:48:03.559 got time to write them. 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:04.599 It's done. 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:10.439 There you go, Marsha. I thank you for coming on. 1:48:11.000 --> 1:48:13.519 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 1:48:15.680 --> 1:48:18.840 Sugar Steve, what'd you learn today? You haven't done this 1:48:18.920 --> 1:48:26.200 in a while. Man, Wow, her entire story essentially. Okay, 1:48:27.760 --> 1:48:31.240 even her you've known her and that I'm the only 1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:34.719 one here. Ironically, I suppose you've been pronouncing her name correctly. 1:48:35.240 --> 1:48:41.519 Yes, uh, unpaid Bill Man. Good people make good music. Okay, 1:48:42.080 --> 1:48:42.720 you just learned that. 1:48:44.280 --> 1:48:47.320 I learned that Matt Cappy is on a Michael Jackson song. Yeah. 1:48:47.320 --> 1:48:53.840 I was a low key jealous Matt Cappy. And then 1:48:53.840 --> 1:48:56.960 you learn how to drum on? Yeah, I learned that 1:48:57.080 --> 1:49:00.200 that eleven year old boys out of drump on the 1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:01.839 on the buckets. 1:49:02.400 --> 1:49:03.960 I didn't know you were in the basketball so much, 1:49:03.960 --> 1:49:05.640 so I thought that's pretty awesome. And as well as 1:49:05.680 --> 1:49:09.000 the horror flicks. That's that's pretty awesome. So two unrelated 1:49:09.040 --> 1:49:10.719 to music, things that I think are really awesome about 1:49:10.760 --> 1:49:13.680 you awesome, Like where'd. 1:49:13.400 --> 1:49:14.000 You learn today? 1:49:14.680 --> 1:49:18.240 Learned that dev is seven years younger and looking for 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:21.080 a younger man. No, but you know it's that it works. 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:22.920 I still think it works more than a female's favor 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:26.680 because of that. You know about the physical anyway, and 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:30.880 I what they he would be still ready to go 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:32.240 ahead it when she hits her peak, you'll know. 1:49:32.240 --> 1:49:40.360 I'm all about the sexual peak. You wouldn't think about Okay, 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:42.960 I know you did anyway. And I learned that Marsha 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:44.840 is gonna write the prequel for Nightmare on Elm Street. 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:49.519 Yes, she's got a good idea for idea, man. 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:53.120 I learned that Marsha is like healthy and happy and 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:55.800 like it's still like from the last time we saw 1:49:55.840 --> 1:49:58.280 each other, like your life has just gotten better cause 1:49:58.400 --> 1:50:00.400 and like I'm just happy to see you. I mean 1:50:00.400 --> 1:50:03.439 because we've had conversations just before about the game and 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:05.280 the industry and like just kind of finding your way. 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.760 So when I saw you come back with Nyla and 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:10.439 you were doing indie and you were doing with Focus 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:12.000 and like we talked, I was just like yeah, this 1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:14.200 is it, and so I'm just happy to see you 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:16.040 in the space that you're in because I know, just 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:18.599 as artists art like, I know how that how. 1:50:18.600 --> 1:50:19.479 Crazy this ship can be. 1:50:19.680 --> 1:50:22.560 So to see you still here, still doing it and 1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:24.559 be able to do it on your own terms, that's 1:50:24.640 --> 1:50:27.760 really uh, it's really smart business moves. 1:50:27.560 --> 1:50:30.599 Like having kids can be positive, having kids can't be positive. 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:34.479 Learned to start risking it all I've learned. 1:50:35.800 --> 1:50:39.040 I've learned how to use one's own podcasts to deflect 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:40.160 any love life. 1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:47.800 I appreciate you see all that go around. 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