1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: It's that time. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Time, time, time, Luck and load. So Michael Vari show 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: is on the air. The former hPG office. 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Glennakh lives in Kerrk County. 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: He was the night watchman on July third into the 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 3: morning of July fourth of twenty twenty five when the 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: flooding took the lives of Camp Mystic campers and devastated 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: that community. He is now the Emergency Preparedness Coordinator, which 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 3: the state required that they have a person assigned as that, 10 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: and he is our guest telling his story, to my knowledge, 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 3: the first and only time he has told that story publicly. 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, Glyn, but continue if you 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: would through that night and what's happening from as the 14 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: flood waters are rising? 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I did talk from the New York 16 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: Times back in October after they decided to convene this 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 4: investigated committee. But going back to the flood, you know 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: it happened very quickly. Again, not from the Guadalupe River, 19 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 4: not from the South Fork. It was from the Dry 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 4: Creek Edmonston Creek, where a wall of water came through 21 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 4: the portion of came that I was in. And there's 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: evidence of a backwash of so the. 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: Wall of water either hit a debris. 24 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 4: Dam according to the Navy seals that walked me through it, 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: and or Texas House Force one. The water completely shifted 26 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 4: and started going upstream and it was like a vortex 27 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: of water within the cabin that I was in with 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: the with the girls in wiggle In. 29 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: What is wiggle In? You've said that several times, so yeah. 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, wiggle In is a cabin that one that their 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 4: nine year old nine to ten year old girls. There 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: were seventeen of them and two counselors are I'm sorry, 33 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: fifteen of them and two counselors college girls that one 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: of us to Texas, one goes to Auburn, and the 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: rest our friends from I guess some of them were 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: there from the prior summer twenty four. But there wiggle 37 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: In is the cabin that I was able to how 38 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: I got trapped in because the wall of water came 39 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: and we followed the evacuation plan of staying in the cabin. 40 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: And the cabin was built many many years ago and 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: was fortified and strong and structurally sound built to this day. 42 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: And what is happening at that site now where the 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: flooding and the deaths occurred. 44 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: So for the first couple of days, what's happening now 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: is absolutely nothing. Because of the hearing that happened on 46 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: March fourth, the judge and the Planet's attorneys have basically 47 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: they have not really come out and taken pictures and 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: preserved in the evidence. We've the camp on their own, 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 4: did secure bubble in which is where fatalities occurred Twins 50 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 4: one and Twins two, and then I leave tumble In 51 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: One is another cabin where other girl had passed away. 52 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: And so though no one's been those buildings since probably 53 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: July seventh or eighth, and those are blocked off. So 54 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 4: but now the judge in Travis County has deemed that 55 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: everything needs to be preserved and not touched. So we 56 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: actually had tweety Eastland, the mate Roark or the family. 57 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: She's not able to go back to one of her 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: residents where she was living, and then another couple was 59 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: removed from their primary residence as well. So nothing is 60 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: going on over there right now. We're anxiously are waiting for, 61 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 4: you know, the Plane's attorneys to bring in their experts 62 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: and see that they're going to find out the facts 63 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: of the case, which you know what's bothers to do 64 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: yet on the plane of side. But I'm aware of. 65 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: What are the facts, in your opinion, that are going 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: to come out, that are going to that are going to, 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: if not a sage, the grief of the families at 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: least say the Eastlands. And you can't, mystic folks, nobody's 69 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: ever accused you of doing anything wrong. You were on 70 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: staff doing your job. 71 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: That they would say, in your opinion, what are things 72 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: that people need to know? Because I will tell you 73 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: I've had downright shouting matches with Sean Welling. I look 74 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: at at Chloe Childress, whose parents are obviously I don't 75 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: want to put words, and I'm angry, frustrated. Obviously they're 76 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 3: part of the group that wants something it really wants. 77 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: I think some account what they would call accountabilit and 78 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: I got to tell you that would be me. That 79 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: would be me very angry about you know, because I've 80 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: got fifty things that I think should have been done 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: ahead of time, not by you, but by the facility 82 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: that seem reasonable that and we'll get to those. 83 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: But in your opinion, what are. 84 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: Some things that are going to that should come out 85 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: that would make people look at this differently well. 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: At the hearing on Mark's fourth in Austin, Michael Watts 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: was able to give about a thirty minute presentation and 88 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: it was about statistics, and it was they were very 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: hard for me to listen because the amount of water, 90 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: the equivalency of Niagara falls in one day flowing through 91 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: Cantonistic is what occurred. That it was very hard for 92 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 4: me to believe, although I was there in it, so 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: it's not but just the what's going to come out 94 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: is going to show that this this has never happened 95 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 4: in the history of our state. And the facts are 96 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: going to be very hard to hear and listen because 97 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: it was so quick and the experts have the experts 98 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: have come out and taken the time to spend time 99 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 4: with me and let me walk them through what I 100 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 4: went through with all these children, and so the facts 101 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: are going to be very hard to hear. And there 102 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: you know, I have been an open book. I've given 103 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: my number out to many of the families. I've actually 104 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: spoken to several of the families who lost a child 105 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: early on, and I express went through my story back 106 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: in early July and in January I met with some 107 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: other parents and said this, you know, it's easy to 108 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: tell the truth and the fact that none of the 109 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just like you, I'm a parent. I 110 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 4: would want to know. There's been no transparency on the 111 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: part of the state. The state has dropped the ball, 112 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 4: and I think that's why Dan Patrick did is one 113 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 4: pint eighty. But I look forward to the facts coming 114 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 4: out and I'm just honestly. The first thing that I 115 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 4: said when I walked out of the flood water and 116 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 4: in I was in my soaked. 117 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: In my blood in mud. 118 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 4: I walked over to Cyper Slate to call nine one 119 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: one because during the flooding event, one of the little 120 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: girls actually held my phone up out of the water. 121 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: I tried to call nine one one, calls would not 122 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: go through. My fire radio that I had did not work. 123 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: The walkie talkie that the family gives me here at 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: the camp was already submerged, so I did not hear 125 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: any outcries from Dick Eastland, which apparently there was some made, 126 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: but that's not my story to told. I couldn't hear 127 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: because I was underwater. 128 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: But the facts are. 129 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: Going to come out, you know, when at and T, 130 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: T Mobile and verizonally all came out and put up 131 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: temporary towers because out here on Highway thirty nine from 132 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: the Hunt Store west going away from Kerrville, there's very 133 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: very limited self phone service. And everybody knows that. Everyone 134 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: that's familiar with the area knows that I should say. 135 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: And the county, Kirk County spent millions of dollars on 136 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: new radio system and the radios did not even work. 137 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: So as these facts start coming out just a moment, 138 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, he's the emergency of Preparedness director at 139 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: Camp Mystic. 140 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Of course he was there on that fateful day July fourth, 141 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: working on Michael Bashaw. 142 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: July fourth of last year, a horrible tragedy befell Camp Mystic, 143 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: a wonderful tradition in the state of Texas for young 144 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: girls going. But it would have been one hundred years. 145 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: That camp will reopen nearby on a separate campus at 146 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: the end of May. It has been in the news 147 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: recently that Dan Patrick and John Huffman have called for 148 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 3: I don't want to put words into their mouth that 149 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm having front of me. 150 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: A delay more to get whatever that is. 151 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 3: Glenn Yankee was, by the way, if you're looking him 152 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: up to see what he has said or his involvement. Uh, 153 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: he's got one of these crazy last names. It's j 154 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: u e n k e j u e n k e. 155 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 3: I always said Yankee twenty something years ago when I 156 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: knew him, But he tells me it's actually yanky. So anyway, 157 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 3: don't look at it or you'll never be able to 158 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: pronounce it. But he is our guest to discuss all things, 159 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: can't missing. 160 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: What kind of name is that? By the way, deerman? 161 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so as the flooding is rising, do you have 162 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 3: any at what point do you have an idea that 163 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,359 Speaker 3: that this is deadly? This this has gone from inconvenient 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: to deadly? And what what? What do you have an 165 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: idea of a time of through the night that you 166 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 3: that you realize that. 167 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: Not at all. 168 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 4: Because I was focused on all these young ladies in 169 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: the cabin that I was in, I had no idea 170 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 4: of what occurred until the sun started rising. So I 171 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: had no idea. It happened so fast and we were 172 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: in submerged in water and flowing. The girls were floating 173 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: on their mattresses. I had no idea the time. It's 174 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 4: been a blur. I had tunnel vision on these young ladies. 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure, you know, the water was 176 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: moving through the cabin swiftly. All the windows were open, 177 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: and oddly enough, not one window broke in the cabin, 178 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 4: but in the direction of the water changed. I became 179 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: very nervous because I didn't understand how that could possibly 180 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: be happening. Some of the young kids had later told 181 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: me that they heard an explosion, which could have been 182 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: the dining hall wall falling into the water. It could 183 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: have been the debris day and breaking. But you know, 184 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: we had no idea of the amount of destruction. Although 185 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: the flow of water was going by our cabin between 186 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: twenty and forty miles per hour. As I was throwing 187 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: out trunks, the girls being these big trunks for camp 188 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: and they're full of books and bibles and clothes and 189 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: all their necessities they need for thirty days. Was throwing 190 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: those out of there, throwing them out into the flow, 191 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: just to get them out because I was getting hit 192 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 4: by these big trunks and I didn't want them to, 193 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 4: you know, take out one of the kids. 194 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask some ignorant questions because obviously 195 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: I wasn't there. So this is all happening about what time? 196 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 3: What time is are you all in the cabin and 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: the water is flowing and you're starting to realize that 198 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: this is this is potentially fatal. 199 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: You know again, I don't have an answer to that 200 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: because I wasn't looking at my clock. 201 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: But at the ruffle of. 202 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: Midnight, I want to be I want to say I 203 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: brought up the Polish staff earlier. They made it back 204 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: through a creek bed that's the roadways was wet because 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: of the rain, but they made it through at one 206 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 4: forty five. And there's a video that the New York 207 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 4: Times put up at two fourteen that Bubblegum Creek slash 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: Edmison Creek was flooding and there's about ten feet of water. 209 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 4: So that's how well, that's when we knew it started 210 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: getting rough. At two nineteen, the rain gauge at Cantonistics 211 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: said that four point nine inches had fallen. And that's 212 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 4: when we started getting notice from bug House that they 213 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: came to be off and let us know what's going on. 214 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: But it happened very quickly, so between I would stay 215 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: between two twenty and three. Actually, at two fifty eight 216 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 4: am my fire radio, I comest say police because I 217 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: did plice for so long, but my fire radio was 218 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: not working. So I actually text Chief Leepool and I said, Hey, 219 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: are you awake? And I didn't get a response. And 220 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: I didn't get a response from him until he got 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: dispatched and called out about three thirty five. At three 222 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 4: thirty six, Leepool texted me and said, what, yes, what's up? Well, 223 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: I tried to call them. Calls would not go through. 224 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: Nine one one, calls would not go through. It happened 225 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: very quickly. The volunteer fire Department was dispatched out to 226 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: some calls at starting at three thirty six. Even the 227 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: first call came from River End, which is about a 228 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: mile upstream from kant Mystic. That call was made nine 229 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: one one and the manager there was saying that they 230 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: had water going over the dam, which is not uncommon. 231 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: But it would have been nice if the county would 232 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: have followed their procedures and let us know about that, 233 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: but they didn't. So the voluntary fire department was dispatched. 234 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 4: And I'm sure that you've seen I don't know if 235 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: you've seen records of this, but Lee Pool actually called 236 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: as a fire chief to dispatch and said, I know 237 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 4: is there any way we can send a Code red 238 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: out to our hunt residents. The Code red is an 239 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: alerting system that you had that each citizen of the 240 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: Eric Kirk County has to sign up for to receive 241 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 4: emergency notifications. He requested at four twenty two am, you know, 242 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 4: I need a Code RED issued now. Well, no one 243 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 4: received that Code red forever forty five minutes because they 244 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 4: had to get a supervisor to approve the code read. 245 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: Now you would think common sense. Here I go with 246 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: common sense. You'd think that if a fire chief calls 247 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 4: in an emergency, that they wouldn't have to get a 248 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 4: supervisor's permission. And Lee saw sub floating down the river 249 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 4: and hit his audios out there because he was on 250 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 4: the phone with nine one one. My wife Melissa did 251 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: not receive an alert until five o two am, and 252 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: by then it was too late. 253 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: Okay, So y'all did not receive an alert and you 254 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: never received an alert. 255 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: I was in. So the curfew at cant Mystic is 256 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: one am, so all the any of the counselors, there's 257 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: a handful to get a day off every other day, 258 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: and every councilor made it back by one am, which 259 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: was a release because they knew that they had been 260 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: raining east of Kirk County like in Fredericksburg, and some 261 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 4: of the girls might go home for the whole day, 262 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: go to Austin, go to sant Honio, and enjoy their time, 263 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: their day off. And once the girls made it back, 264 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: I went down to do a last perimeter check, and 265 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: that was at one fourteen. I went out there about 266 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: one ten actually, and I was getting soaked wet because 267 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: it was raining. I was on a golf cart, and 268 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: once the perimeters check, I went back in. By that time, 269 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 4: they did issue a flood warning, but I did not 270 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: receive it. And they issue flood warnings frequently, and so 271 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 4: when you're used to living out here, there is very 272 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: especially now, if there's a dark cloud the sky, they 273 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: have a floodwatch. And I'm not exaggerating. They're going way 274 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: overboard on the weather alertsmost like crying wolfs. 275 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: Right, And that's what happened in New Orleans. But I 276 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: did not realize this area is known as flash flood Alley. 277 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: Until all of this, I didn't realize that the flooding 278 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: was was so common and so violent. I want to 279 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: go back the times you're giving me how you have 280 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: specific times where is that record from? 281 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: That record is from me brainstorming. So of course all 282 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 4: all football season long, okay, after the flood and all 283 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: football season long. 284 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: I was very concerned about how this happened, so I 285 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: started doing my own little hold on, hold on, Glen 286 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: Yankee is our guest. We're talking about, can't missed it 287 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: coming up? 288 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: The warehouse announces it's give them the Star sale, including 289 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: only a sound warehouse. 290 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: You know, I can't keep it together for Jimmy Cliff remove. 291 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: You know that that is this is already a rough 292 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: enough conversation to have to have. 293 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: Glen Yankee is our guest. 294 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: He was the night watchman the night of July third 295 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: into July fourth, when the overnight flooding UH hit the 296 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: campus of Camp Mystic, and the tragedy ensued, including the 297 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: loss of Dick Eastland, who, as I understand it, was 298 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: in the process of trying to save girls, uh, some 299 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: of whom perished, including girls who were campers. 300 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Did you see Dick eastlandery? What was the visibility overnight, Glenn? Oh? 301 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I was with Dick and Edward early on. 302 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: But you before we went to break you asked me 303 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 4: about where didn't my timeline come from? Well, I got 304 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: to be honest. After after July fourth, my health took 305 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: I was completely devastated. And what had occurred I was 306 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 4: I felt like I was we were let down as 307 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: residents of Kirk County by the by the county officials. 308 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know this, my heart broke. 309 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 4: I actually had to get a pacemaker in August. And 310 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 4: I used to run marathons. I've been in good shape, 311 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 4: take good care of myself, but this was a heartbreaker 312 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 4: and was very difficult. So I started early on just 313 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: trying to write down times and I have, I have 314 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: a timeline, but you know what, not one planet's attorney 315 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 4: has asked for it. Not one criminal investigator has asked 316 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: for it. When I say criminal, there were twenty eight 317 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: to the deaths that occurred here at Camp Mystic because 318 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: of catastrophic flooding that hopefully the state will never see again. 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 4: So I started my own timeline just by looking at 320 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 4: my phone that a little girl held up out of 321 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 4: the flood water. So I did you know, no one's 322 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 4: asked me that for no one has asked me to 323 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 4: give them as as far as a state official. So 324 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: I did that on my own and because that's what 325 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: I was trying to do. You know, when the governor 326 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: was here on the fifth and he and Nom, we're here, 327 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 4: and he said, you know, we shouldn't be pointing fake fingers. Well, 328 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: you know what when someone tells me that, that's exactly 329 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: what I wanted to do, right. I wanted to find 330 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 4: out how could this have happened? Because I was in 331 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 4: such disbelief. 332 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: You know, the strategy and the another one of the 333 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: odd occurrences that calm case this whole thing is I 334 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: think Arnold and it can Powerhouse Plants attorney firm. Planets 335 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: Firm is the lead plaintiff. I don't it's not a 336 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: class action to my understanding, but has several of the parents. 337 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: I don't think they've made a class out of it necessarily. 338 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: I don't know it's big enough to make a class. 339 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: But but but Arnold's wife, Tera, as you may know, 340 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: was in the January plane crash in New York and 341 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: she was also an attorney there. 342 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: So they have had obviously some. 343 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 3: Internal grief to deal with, and I can't imagine that 344 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: didn't delay I can imagine they got a continuance on 345 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: every case they were already on, and obviously that would 346 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: delay anything they're doing on this case. 347 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: I believe. 348 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 4: I'm very sorry that that happened to that lady who 349 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 4: pat Parish, but that was in January. This tragedy occurred 350 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: in July. I agree with August, September, October, November, December, 351 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 4: not sing No, I'm not. 352 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: These things move very slow. 353 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: I know that when we started the film, I got 354 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: a letter from them to retain all records just because 355 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 3: I am mentioned. I am listed on the film sure 356 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: as being an associate producer. And so I called Busby 357 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: because he's one of our investors, and I said, hey, 358 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 3: do I need to What should I. 359 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 4: Do on here? 360 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything doesn't he said, don't. You 361 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: don't have to worry. Throw that away. 362 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: But I know that they have sent out their original 363 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: documents and they are they are part of that. Is 364 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: it your intention? I mean, obviously you had serious health problems. 365 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: Is it your intention to stay on indefinitely? Why go 366 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: back after everything you've been through? 367 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 4: Well, it's very healing for me to know I was retired. 368 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: I worked a little bit in Washington State pre COVID 369 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: I was chief of police in Ingram, Texas, right down 370 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: the road for a little under a year, and what 371 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: happened on July fourth and then my healing process. Mouldercrist 372 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: Foundation is the great group that sent me out to 373 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 4: Big Bear, California, and I had a four day intensive 374 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 4: postumatic groups. I see a counselor every other week locally here. 375 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: I was involved in a lot of incidents in Houston 376 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: that required me to see a counselor, very stressful. I'd 377 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 4: forgotten all about those. This tragic event brought it back. 378 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 4: And the reason why I'm here now is because my mission, 379 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 4: Glen two point zero, if you will, is to make 380 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: sure this never happens to any camphor in the state 381 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: of Texas. And the knee jerk reaction that the estate 382 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: did with regard to Heaven's twenty seven without any input 383 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: from boots on the ground and people who survived the flood, 384 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: it's going to knock some camps out of business. And 385 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: Cypress Late Camp Mistic Cypress Lake is not going to 386 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: be one of us camps because we have we have 387 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: the structure, and we're going to abide by the law, 388 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: all the New York reaction law that was designed without 389 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: any input from actual survivors of the flood. 390 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: So let's go back to the question that I get 391 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: more often in that I ask, so, why not evacuate 392 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: the girls? If you said there wasn't a warning, Well, 393 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: so that's the first question, and you're going to be 394 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: asked that question. Why was was there ever a discussion 395 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: to evacuate the girls. 396 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 4: We evacuated several of the cabins into rec hall and 397 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 4: those girls survived. I also followed the evacuation plan of 398 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: staying in the cabin. I mean evacuate doesn't necessarily mean 399 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 4: leaves the site or go to higher ground. You've got 400 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 4: to understand, none of these home none of these cabins 401 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: are in the floodplain. It's been in existence since nineteen 402 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: twenty six, one hundred years. This year, the Grand Flood 403 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 4: of thirty two, no water got anywhere near. So I'd 404 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: love to invite you to come out and see, because 405 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 4: it's the Grand Flood of thirty two, which no, there's 406 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 4: no one around, but shows that the water didn't get 407 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: near of that building, so that that was a refuge. 408 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: And uh so, no one alive has ever seen anything 409 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: like what happened on July fourth. I just can't state 410 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: that enough. The water that was the wall of water 411 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: that inundated the cabin I was in, was not coming 412 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: from the Guadalupe River. Is coming from Edmonson Creek, which 413 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 4: is a usually a dry creek. And it was flash flooding. 414 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 4: And you talked about flash flood alley. Michael Watts showed 415 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 4: a map. Understand right, he is a lawyer and he 416 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 4: gave this friend. He gave a showed a map of 417 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: the state of Texas and it goes all away from 418 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: like Del Rio all the way up through Austin, Dallas, Waco. 419 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: That is flash flood alley. Just based on the type 420 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: of soil, so that splash flood alley. It's not just 421 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 4: exclusive of Ta Kirk County. It's slash flood alley. There's 422 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: maps out there that you can look at. 423 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't realize these things that you know, 424 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: these flash floods like this, and the rock and the 425 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: v crevices that they make, and how dangerous it could be. 426 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 3: I'm not opining as to whether that was a good 427 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: spot for a camp or any That is not my point. 428 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I was unaware of so many things 429 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: about this. I just kind of knew Camp Myssedic is 430 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: this this wonderful, idyllic place where memories are made. And 431 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: you know, I know women in their thirties, forties, fifties 432 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 3: and above. I think Laura Bush is an alumnus that 433 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: talk about this as being such a special thing. And 434 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: in the case of Chloe Childress, and I think there 435 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 3: were others. You know, these girls that go through this 436 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: and then they go back as a counselor because they're 437 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: so connected to this experience and they want to be 438 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: part of it. Glen Yankee as our guests. We're talking 439 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: Camp missed It coming up. 440 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. Glen Yankee is our guest. 441 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: He was the night watchman the July third overnight when 442 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: the July fourth flooding came in and Camp Camp Mystic 443 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: campers perished, including the camp director, Dick Eastland, and other 444 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: folks in Kirrk County in the worst flood that I 445 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: recall in my lifetime in the state of Texas, and 446 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: the devastation just absolutely awful, absolutely awful. Marcus Lttrell and 447 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: his brother Morgan went out as Navy seals and his 448 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: rescue folks to join a lot of other rescue folks, 449 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: and and the stories he told me about you know 450 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 3: how difficult emotionally this was. 451 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's gut wrenching, Glenn. 452 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: I told you I was gonna ask you some tough 453 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: questions before the show was over, and I would like 454 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: to do that now. I'm trying to ask the questions 455 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 3: that come in that I'm trying to process this as 456 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 3: well as I can. 457 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: I guess the first one. 458 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: Would be, it seems like a simple life vests one 459 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: vest per camper could have been stashed throughout the facility. 460 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: Was that not the case? And was that reasonable to do? 461 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 4: No? 462 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: Not reasonable? Not the case? 463 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 4: Not wouldn't have helped? 464 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Why is that? 465 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 4: It happened that fast? 466 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: So you're saying there wouldn't have been time to put 467 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: a life vest on. 468 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: I'm saying if they put a life vest on, and 469 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: they would have, and they were walking and walking in 470 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 4: a wall of water hit them, they would have been 471 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: swept away with life vests on. I'm saying that that 472 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 4: is not you know, I got a state camp Mystic 473 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 4: had state inspectors out on July second, twenty twenty five, 474 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: two days before the flood. And the state inspectors passed 475 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: camp mystics plans. That is why the state's getting sued 476 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 4: by some of the planeffs. So we complied with all 477 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: the laws and we have one hundred year history of 478 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 4: being in a flood alley. Flash flood Alley goes from 479 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: San Antonio, San Marcus, Austin, Temple, Waco, and Dallas all 480 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: the way up the whole state to the middle of 481 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 4: the state. That is flash flood Alley. It is not 482 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 4: Kerr County. So I grew up in San Antonio and 483 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 4: then you know, live in Houston. San Antonio in June 484 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 4: of twenty five had thirteen fatalities on June twelfth, ten 485 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 4: years prior in Wimberley, water rows forty one feet over 486 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 4: Interstate thirty five in San Marcos. This is not uncommon. 487 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 4: And what has the state done to protect the citizens 488 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: of the state that live in flash flood Alley? 489 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: What should the state have done? 490 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: Well, it would have been nice if the state spend 491 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 4: a little bit of money on you know, better weather systems. 492 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I'd love to know when the last time 493 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 4: Upper Waterloope River Authority you know, changed about reason the 494 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: rain gages that weren't working. I love to, you know, 495 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: see all this information that should be public information, but 496 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: yet you know, no one's broadcasting that out. 497 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: Okay, so they think the weather system said there's a 498 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: massive If they had been able to say predict with 499 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: absolute certainty, hey, massive flood coming, what would have been able? 500 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: And by the way, you were the night watchman, I'm 501 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: not blaming you. What would you bename? 502 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: No? No, if we I would say that if Kirk County 503 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 4: had notified Camp Mystic of a nine to one one 504 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 4: call stating a flood is coming that fifteen minutes, you 505 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: and I wouldn't be on the radio right now. 506 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: Why what would you have done? What would you all 507 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: have been able to do? 508 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: Well, I'm doing what everybody else is doing. I'm what 509 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: iffing it? What if William dub Thomas, the emergency coordinator, 510 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: had actually done drills with the camps. He was the 511 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: emergency coordinator for Kirk County. He hadn't come out here 512 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: at all. His training records were blank. 513 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: Well, I understand, but it strikes me that there was 514 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: no high ground on the property to which you could 515 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: we are. 516 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 4: On high ground, We're not in the we're not in 517 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 4: the hundred earth. 518 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: But it strikes me that there was nowhere you could 519 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: have gone to be if you were on campus. The 520 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: people who were on campus were I don't know, I'm 521 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: asking would have died. Well, let me ask you, why 522 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: did some people die and some people didn't. 523 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 4: I don't have the answer to that question. 524 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: No, no, is it you were located when the water 525 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: came through. 526 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: I was basically I don't know where. I know where 527 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 4: Dick was in his vehicle. He was in his vehicle 528 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: trying to I believe this is me speculating, trying to 529 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 4: get girls out from bubble in and all those girls perished, 530 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 4: and Dick was found south of the property in the 531 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 4: Guadalupe with his vehicle upside down with several other children. 532 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: But I'm just saying that the timing, I mean, I'm 533 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 4: sure Marcus will trail. I know that they were out here. 534 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 4: I didn't get a chance to meet them, but a 535 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: good classmate friend of mine, David Alexander, tried to hook 536 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: me up with them, so like, I walked them through 537 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 4: the property, but it just didn't work out. They were 538 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 4: leaders that came out here to see to get the 539 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: story out, and the stories you know, I'm preaching it 540 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 4: right now because no one's asked me, and that's why 541 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: I'm grateful. 542 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: That's you. You should have been asked before. 543 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 4: Now. 544 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but you couldn't have. 545 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, you could have died in between, and 546 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: then we don't have your perspective. That should have been 547 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: recorded as soon after the event. You could have moved, 548 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: you could have anything could have happened. So Glenn, just 549 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: so I understand, and I do want to come see 550 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 3: the facility, just so I understand. The deaths were located 551 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: at the Bubble End, so that particular piece of the 552 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: property took took it worse than other pieces of the property, 553 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: other parts of the problems. 554 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: That fair to say, No. 555 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: That's not fair to say. Because a wall of water 556 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 4: tam serve the entire camp. 557 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Okay, a wall of water. 558 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: Team and there. So there's three cabins in a row, 559 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: bubble Ends, Giggle Blocks and Wiggle n I helped the 560 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: girls and Giggle get up to a higher ground very quickly. 561 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 4: I got trapped in Biggle End with the girls that survived. 562 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: Those two cabins are all three in a row. Bubble 563 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 4: Land did not make it out because the incident was 564 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 4: so fast. I just cannot reiterate how fast the water came. 565 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: I can't imagine. I cannot imagine having lived through this 566 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 3: and the trauma, especially with little girls. I just cannot imagine. 567 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: As the storm is coming. As I understand it, you 568 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: were rescuing girls. Dick Eastlim was rescuing girls. So there 569 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: was some movement of placing people in different locations to 570 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: try to save them. 571 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, yeah, we did move successfully on a good 572 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 4: portion of the girls that were on the flats. There's 573 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 4: the camps divided in the two areas Senior Hills where 574 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: the older capers go, and the flats is closer to 575 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 4: the office, closer to the dining hall, out of the 576 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 4: flood plain, and so we did move some of the 577 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 4: girls to rec Hall, which the water had never been 578 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 4: in ever and it was built in nineteen twenty seven 579 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: or twenty eight. I forget which the girls when I 580 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 4: dropped when they walked in, they were on the ground level. 581 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 4: In the morning, when the flood water receded and I 582 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 4: was able to take wigg Land girls over to the 583 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 4: rec hall, all the kids were on the second floor, 584 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: which is our eighteen sixteen I mean the water was 585 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 4: lapping on the second floor where water had never been 586 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: in that building ever. So it was built. And thank 587 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: god that building was built when it was, because they 588 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 4: don't build, don't like that anymore. They talk about other folks. 589 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 4: Jane Wagsdelle, she passed away in the flood. Her camp's 590 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: heart of the Hills was empty, which is a blessing 591 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 4: because there would have been anymore. 592 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: Right, Glen Yankee, thank you for your candor, thank you 593 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: for being there for those girls. I have no doubt 594 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: that there are girls who are alive today because of 595 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: your efforts. And I want you to know you are 596 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: free and invited, welcome, and then some to come back 597 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: on our show at any time. If there's something you 598 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: don't feel you answered the way you would like to 599 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: answer it, or you did not get to you have 600 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: an open invitation to come back on our show anytime. 601 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that, and I really do appreciate you 602 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 4: letting me not vent, just get some facts out there. 603 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: And you know, I have a timeline that I want 604 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 4: to share, but no one's asked me any questions. That's 605 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: just trouble. 606 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: I think that'll change very soon.