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Speaker 4: Well, we have another NBA season in the books as

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Speaker 4: the Boston Celtics are hoisting the Lario b. We got

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Speaker 4: Colin Coward here to break it all down. We will

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Speaker 4: also react to the Finals MVP news when the report

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Speaker 4: comes down. Obviously, we're waiting on that still, But Colin,

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Speaker 4: I want to kick it to you, like this NBA

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Speaker 4: champion has this like indelible mark on the history of

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Speaker 4: the NBA. How will you remember the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: I think the deepest team, easily the most equipped with shooters, passers,

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Speaker 1: Lebron eventually left that team. They're just ill equipped. Listen,

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Speaker 1: they got a break. Is that Minnesota knocked out Denver,

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Speaker 1: out Boston comes out flat. All these games, I felt

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Speaker 4: That was what was infuriating about them at times in

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Speaker 4: They were taking a lot of bad shots, they weren't

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Speaker 3: It was actually it was. It was pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: They were pretty bad against the good teams at the

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Speaker 4: I thought that they guarded Dallas extremely well. I know

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just let's just attack the Jason Tatum things.

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Speaker 1: Tonight was Lucy Goosey rolling downhill. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: When we have questions about Tatum, it's never talent, it's moments,

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Speaker 4: Like we've discussed multiple times throughout the series, Jalen Brown

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason, you know, history has been kind

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Speaker 5: I know what I get.

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Speaker 1: Like I know Lebron loves Kyrie. Ad is a more

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Speaker 5: Of the season for the MAVs.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do anything. There's my there's my Kyrie take that.

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Speaker 4: Pretty consistently in my player rankings have had him right

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Speaker 4: There's a there's a pretty substantial anti Kyrie coalition out

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Speaker 1: to admit Jason is because of Luca's ball usage. I

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Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't healthy for the last two series.

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Speaker 1: He looked, He looked fatigued, he looked beat up. So again,

441
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Speaker 1: when when Kyrie is not delivering, it becomes very Luca dominant.

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked. I thought you were getting about

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of Luca in this finals. And some of

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Speaker 1: that's just when you're the guy and it's little Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 1: It's like Jalen's great, but there are limitations to you know,

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Speaker 1: when Jalen went on that forty point run, You're like,

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Speaker 1: this isn't gonna end well, Like he's just you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't be that dominant. You have to be able to,

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Speaker 1: you know. And that's why the Celtics work is that

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Speaker 1: Tatum wasn't good in the first two games. He and

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Speaker 1: Brown were both good. In Game three tonight, Tatum was superior.

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Speaker 1: I mean there were Knights that Derek White, I mean

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Speaker 1: presser before the half, like it's symphonic watching Boston. They're

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Speaker 1: just handing the baton off man Luca. He had that

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Speaker 1: baton out multiple times and nobody grabbed it, and I

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Speaker 1: thought he looked and that's I agree with you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: sees only getting better. Denver's already favored, Boston's not getting

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Speaker 1: significantly worse.

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Speaker 3: Sixth or sec.

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Speaker 5: And by the way.

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Speaker 1: Keep your eye on what Houston's doing. They had a

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Speaker 1: strikes this year. You're like, oh, you know, they're probably

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Speaker 1: a vat in a way. So listen, we've seen this before.

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Speaker 1: It's like in the NFL, the loser of the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: like most of the time, doesn't farewell like this. This

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Speaker 1: felt like a magical moment in time for Dallas, but

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Speaker 1: there's some real flaws here. We would both acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: it is too Luca dependent. That's what it feels. It

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Speaker 1: does feel like that Cavs team that was really very

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Speaker 1: Lebron dependent, played with great energy if you remember Zill Goscas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they played with tremendous energy. Lebron was captivating,

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Speaker 1: they had streaky shooters on the wing. But then you

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Speaker 1: watch them against San Antonio and you're like, all right,

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Speaker 1: they you know, five of the best six players are

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Speaker 1: all Spurs. And that's how I felt in this series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I find fascinating, and I'm

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Speaker 4: actually curious to get your take on this. Like one

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Speaker 4: of the things that is hard to do in a

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Speaker 4: situation like this after you have a successful postseason run

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Speaker 4: is to be realistic about how far you are away.

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Speaker 4: And so, for instance, Lakers fans last year, it's like,

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Speaker 4: we made the Western Conference finals and I'm like, okay, Well,

484
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Speaker 4: like Golden State has always struggled against big athletic teams,

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Speaker 4: that was a pretty favorable matchup for you. And then

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Speaker 4: also that Memphis team, young John Morant driving into Anthony

487
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Speaker 4: Davis all series was obviously not going to work. So

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Speaker 4: it's like you got a couple of favorable matchups, then

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Speaker 4: you ran into a real championship level team in Denver

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Speaker 4: and you got your ass kicked.

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Speaker 3: So you're not.

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Speaker 4: Close, right, right, So when I look at that, when

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Speaker 4: I look at the Dallas piece, this is what I

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Speaker 4: think about, Like when the circumstances are favorable, meaning like

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Speaker 4: when Luca has obvious mismatches, he can pick at the

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Speaker 4: entire series, and then on the other end of the floor,

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Speaker 4: when they can really load up the strong side and

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Speaker 4: keep their rim protectors at the rim and hide Luca

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Speaker 4: on the opposite end of the floor, they can get stops.

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Speaker 4: But where I get concerned is how many times in

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Speaker 4: NBA history have we seen a team led by two

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Speaker 4: stars that are both at least combining for two bad

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Speaker 4: defensive players that go win the title. It's exceedingly rare.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, one of the things that I wonder

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say exceedingly rat can't think of one. It's

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Speaker 4: never happened like I would say, I would even say,

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Speaker 4: like the case would be, oh, what about Jamal Murray,

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Speaker 4: Nicola Jokicic, which I understand, But the flip side there

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Speaker 4: is like even the two of them were not this

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Speaker 4: type of like like Jokis was a dominant defensive rebounder

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Speaker 4: who could actually do some stuff in pick and roll

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Speaker 4: coverages defensively, and Jamal Murray did his job, and he's bigger.

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Speaker 3: Jamal Murray's bigger than Kyrie.

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Speaker 1: They also had an elite defender right off that in Gordon,

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Speaker 1: So they had Yeah, I mean they they accentuated, like

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like the Mavericks or like the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: They hid steph Igwoodola Clay. So you can get away

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Speaker 1: with your star not being an elite defender. But you

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Speaker 1: have to have elements. You have to have size, Jokic, athleticism,

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Speaker 1: Gordon like that. That's not what this Dallas team is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's their two stars are Luca is disengaged a

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Speaker 1: lot defensively.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was terrible in four of the five games

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Speaker 4: of the series defensive I thought he was bad again tonight.

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Speaker 4: They were just bringing him up into the ball screen.

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Speaker 4: He would just kind of stand around in no man's lander,

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Speaker 4: holiday slip out of it.

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Speaker 3: He'd get a layup, they get him.

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Speaker 4: On a they're the at the end of the first half,

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Speaker 4: just like Game two, they just attacked him and switched

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Speaker 4: his time and time and time again and scored every

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Speaker 4: single time. Like it's a real issue, and so let

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Speaker 4: me just pitch it back to you, like, this is

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Speaker 4: the version of a Luka Doncic led team that wins

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Speaker 4: the title one day? Is that version of that team

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Speaker 4: constructed around Luca and then a secondary star that is

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Speaker 4: an elite athlete that can impact the game more with

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Speaker 4: his physical tools rather than with his skill.

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Speaker 3: Because I wonder if this Dallas.

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Speaker 4: Team is always going to be the kind of team

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Speaker 4: that can beat certain matchups but will always struggle against

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Speaker 4: teams that can spread them out just simply because that's

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Speaker 4: just two way, two weak points in their defense. Do

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Speaker 4: you think that that's what the direction they're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to go eventually?

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Speaker 1: I think literally a perfect player for Lucas Paul George

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Speaker 1: probably privately doesn't want the final shot.

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Speaker 5: Luca does.

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Speaker 1: Excellent defender, long willing, can give you thirty in non

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Speaker 1: pressure situations. Could really have nights where Luca can almost

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Speaker 1: take a back seat. But in the big moments, you know,

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Speaker 1: Paul sometimes takes weird shots or bad shots. Luca doesn't like.

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Speaker 1: This is one of these things. It's a better story

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Speaker 1: than a team. Kyrie's not the fit. A poor defensive

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Speaker 1: player who's hot and cold and needs the ball.

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Speaker 5: That's not the fit.

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Speaker 1: The fit is a long wing defender who can score thirty,

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Speaker 1: but like a Pippin, has no problem letting the guy,

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Speaker 1: letting the man shoot. Paul's always been a you know,

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Speaker 1: Paul can hit the big shot, but it's like he

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Speaker 1: can also back away from it. He's not a selfish player,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's Paul George is one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: He kind of works with everybody. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Paul's gotten a bad rap, I mean, and he kind

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Speaker 1: of fits everywhere. You go back to those Miami Heat series.

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Speaker 1: Paul was working with Roy Hibbert, a non score, George Hill,

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Speaker 1: you know, Frank Vogel who loved Bigs not you now

568
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Speaker 1: gut guards they give Miami Wade and Bosh and Battie

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Speaker 1: and Lebron. They gave him troubles. Those were really good series.

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Speaker 1: So I just think it's one of those. You know,

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Luca, the movie poster is better than the movie.

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Speaker 1: I think they need a different star. And this is

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Speaker 1: something I was told years ago by a GM like

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. He said, it's not about the star.

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Speaker 1: Having a star in the league. There's a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: It's the right star. And then once you get that star.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors were brilliant. Here's Steph's deficiencies. Let's just layer

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Speaker 1: it and protect him. It's like hockey. Our great score

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Speaker 1: is a finesse player, Let's protect him. You have to

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Speaker 1: protect You don't have to protect Tatum. You have to

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Speaker 1: augment some offensive you know, production porzingis more scores. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to protect Tatum. You have to protect Luca defensively.

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Speaker 1: Like I've said this he's a much better Carmelo Anthony.

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Speaker 1: He's much better, but disengaged defensively. Not sure he's in

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Speaker 1: great shape. You know, it's kind of he's the sun.

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Speaker 1: Everything revolves around it sort of. So I'm not anti Luca,

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Speaker 1: but I don't see him being part of a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: I just think he's a He's a meteor. He just

589
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Speaker 1: don't see stuff like this in the history of basketball.

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Speaker 1: But all stars are not equal, like Duncan is exactly

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Speaker 1: what you want your star to be, kind of boring,

592
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Speaker 1: does everything well, doesn't have to take the final shot

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Speaker 1: in the end, sacrifice salary, like Duncan's never gotten the respect.

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Speaker 1: Like he literally did everything well except handle the ball.

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Speaker 1: And what did they put around him, Parker Manu, you

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Speaker 1: know ball handlers. So I just think spectacular, But there

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Speaker 1: is you have to protect him more than anybody wants

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge.

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Speaker 5: I guess that's my take again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, again, it's about acknowledging that you're not close and

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Speaker 4: so I think there's a bunch of different things that

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Speaker 4: they have to address. The first piece is Lucas specifically,

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Speaker 4: and we talked about this a lot after Game three,

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Speaker 4: has to get in better shape, has to make a

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Speaker 4: commitment to the defensive end, Like I want to see

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Speaker 4: Luca come in next year and look different physically, because

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Speaker 4: this is year after year that this has been an

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Speaker 4: issue and that he's not made any sort of attempt

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Speaker 4: to address.

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Speaker 3: So that's the first piece of it.

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Speaker 4: The second piece of it is we've seen this consistently

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Speaker 4: with Dallas. They've kept trying to build the same team

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Speaker 4: around him, because we saw this with Brunson, with Brunson

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Speaker 4: and Dorian Phinney Smith and that team that went to

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Speaker 4: the Western Conference finals two years ago, Like they've built

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Speaker 4: a team around two shot creators and then play finishers

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Speaker 4: and like what just like what happened against the Warriors

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. Eventually they're like, actually, we're just

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Speaker 4: kind of fine with Luca taking these you know, tough

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Speaker 4: content to two point jump shots. Is his step back

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Speaker 4: three just isn't reliable enough, Like it once again this

622
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Speaker 4: entire postseason run, he just could knock it down at

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Speaker 4: a high enough rate. Like there's a lot of like

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Speaker 4: games where he has thirty points on twenty seven shots,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, this isn't actually something that's causing problems

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Speaker 4: for the for the for the opposing team, and so

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Speaker 4: like I look at it too, like one of the

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Speaker 4: things I like about doing something like going after a

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Speaker 4: Paul George or more of like a skilled like a

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Speaker 4: multi talented forward is it makes for less redundancy. It

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Speaker 4: makes it so that you can, like like it makes

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Speaker 4: you a different type of team to deal with on

633
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Speaker 4: a possession by possession basis, because what happens is when

634
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Speaker 4: you lean on the Kyrie thing, it's like Kyrie has

635
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Speaker 4: a rough series, Suddenly he doesn't bring anything else to

636
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Speaker 4: the table, and now you look severely limited. And so

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Speaker 4: I think I think in general, they've just got to

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Speaker 4: have kind of like this self awareness to acknowledge that

639
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Speaker 4: they're not close and to make these structural changes. But

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Speaker 4: one of the problems, Colin is I don't think they're

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Speaker 4: going to I think they're gonna run it right back

642
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Speaker 4: and be like, Oh, Derek Lively's gonna lead us to

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Speaker 4: the Promised Land next year. He's gonna wait better. And

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Speaker 4: you know what, I think they're gonna lose in like

645
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Speaker 4: the first or second round next year in a jam

646
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: packed Western Conference when they catch an unfortunate matchup.

647
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the Celtics very deserving. Don't forget

648
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: they had a dominant record. They lost to Denver, but

649
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: they had a dominant record against the West, even more

650
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: dominating against the East. Flushed through the Eastern Conference playoffs

651
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: and the finals. So you know, there are these teams

652
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: too that you know, we're so used to dynasties in

653
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: the NBA. I was talking to Chris bruce Hard today.

654
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: We were talking about teams that won a championship that

655
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: weren't a dynasty, but they were great teams. And one

656
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: of the first ones was the Jerry West, Gail Goodrich

657
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Wilt Chamberlain. Remember that thirty three game winning Shriek Laker

658
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: team that I think beat the Knicks and won a championship. Now,

659
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: they didn't reel off a lot of them, but in

660
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: a singular season that was an older Wilt. That's one

661
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: of the greatest teams of all time. There was a

662
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: seventy six ers team that had Moses Malone joined Julius

663
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Irving and they were kind of missing a dominating interior

664
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: scoring presence and for a year or two, Jesus, I

665
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: remember those Sixers well, like Malone was, It's just hard

666
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: to exp Moses Malone. If you ever saw him play,

667
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: nobody discusses him. He was as dominating a rebounder as

668
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the history of basketball, with Doctor

669
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: J and good guard play, and I think Boston falls

670
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: into that group. So right now, like we thought Denver

671
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: was gonna run off two or three Boston in a

672
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: single season like that West good Rich Wilt team or

673
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: the Moses Malone Doctor J t for a season lightning

674
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: in a bottle health spectacular. You know, just just flush

675
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: through the playoffs. The question will become they will play

676
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: with a champion swagger next year. They probably won't be

677
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: as relentless in the regular season. This is, you know,

678
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of predictable. They'll they'll be you know, they'll have

679
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: their little swoons and won't be But I do think

680
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: there's a chance it's a back to back championship because

681
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: cross your fingers on Porzingis's health. You know they're bringing

682
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: the guys back. You'll play with more confidence. Tatum comes

683
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: into a season like, Okay, I got it, I got

684
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: my money, I got my title. I think it does

685
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: take pressure. I think it was building you and I

686
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: said this this was Celtics had to win this after

687
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: that Warriors Final where they came home and kind of

688
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: laid an egg emotionally. They had to play well in

689
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: this series. I thought by second quarter game too, it

690
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: was like this is a mismatch. But I think next

691
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: year you'll see this goes down to me is a

692
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: in moment in time, a great team in a great moment,

693
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: too good not to win a championship, but at times

694
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: too weird to be a dynasty. I mean, Jalen Brown

695
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: wins the MVP and they averaged twenty a game. He

696
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: didn't everge thirty, You didn't neverge twenty eight. He averaged

697
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one a game and was the MVP for

698
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: the second straight series. So historically, can we acknowledge they're

699
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of an odd great team?

700
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, no, they're They're absolutely weird.

701
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: I mean like when we think about the when we

702
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: list the all time great teams in NBA history, we

703
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: think like twenty seventeen Warriors, twenty thirteen he you know,

704
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: teams like the the two thousand and one Lakers, the

705
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six Bowls, right, the nineteen eighty six Celtics,

706
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: like the nineteen eighty seven Lakers. We think of these teams,

707
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 4: and every single one of them is led by one

708
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: of the five best team players in NBA history. In

709
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: my opinion, Steph Curry is the fifth best perimeter player

710
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: that's played since nineteen eighty. Like, I think he's right

711
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: up there with Bird and Magic in that tier. So

712
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: like these it's just funky to see a team that

713
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: is as dominant as the Celtics have been. But I

714
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: think one of the things too, is this kind of

715
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: stuff bears out in time. Like you know what Celtics fans,

716
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: they're going to want a certain amount of, like the

717
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: credit for being dominant, and like here's the thing, like

718
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: you beat you beat the Calves, the Heat without Jimmy Butler,

719
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: the Pacers and the Maps. So like like I'm not

720
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: trying to like, but one of the things with NBA

721
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 4: history because like people said this about the Nuggets last year,

722
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: and I thought the Nuggets run was a little underrated

723
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 4: because they went through Lebron and Ad, and they went

724
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 4: through Kad and Devin Booker, and they went through Jimmy

725
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: Butler and bam at a bio. Like I actually thought

726
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: that Nuggets team, Yeah, played some tough opponents, but like

727
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: everyone was like, oh, Denver had an easier path. Well,

728
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: guess what happened this year? They had to play a

729
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 4: really tough team in the second round. They lost, So yeah,

730
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: NBA history has a chance has a kind of like

731
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 4: a habit of working these sorts of things out. Like

732
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: next year, they're probably going to have to play a

733
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Speaker 4: Milwaukee in a playoff series, or a healthy Knicks team,

734
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: or a team like Denver out of the Western Conference,

735
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: or maybe what if Oklahoma City makes some big trade

736
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: this summer and they end up going to the finals

737
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: and it ends up like NBA history is a kind

738
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 4: of a habit of working these things out, Everything about

739
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: how this team is is gonna be about the big picture.

740
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: So for instance, if they lose, if they lose next year,

741
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: you're gonna zoom out on a three year window here,

742
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: and you're gonna be like embarrassing loss against the Heat

743
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: in the conference finals, beat four mediocre teams, then lost

744
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: the following year. People will write the story of that

745
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: Celtics team as an underachieving, overly talented team. But if

746
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: they go out next year and they beat better teams

747
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 4: on their way to the Larry O'Brien, people will zoom

748
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: out and be like this is an all time great team.

749
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: So like that's the thing, Like you're gonna get another

750
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: crack at the table next year. It's like Jason Tatum said,

751
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: gotta do it again next year. Go ahead, do it

752
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: and it'll shut everybody up. Like these things get worked

753
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: out with wins.

754
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Speaker 1: I think a team that keep your eye on is

755
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Speaker 1: the Knicks. I think one of the great things if

756
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: you're a Knicks fan, because they don't match up from

757
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: an offensive perspective. They just don't have They don't have

758
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: that many guys that can catch it and shoot it

759
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: and ball pass. One of the things that's great about

760
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: the Celtics winning if you're a Knicks fan, it does

761
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: force you some urgency, like, guys, we can't make us

762
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: a tweak. We're not a tweak away from beating Boston,

763
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Like we got to go out and get guys like

764
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: Michale Bridges and another score. Boston really puts pressure on

765
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Eastern teams. It's one thing if you if you're a

766
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Western team and you lose to Boston in the finals.

767
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: You got to the finals, but you're you're not getting

768
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: past Boston in New York with a tweak you're just

769
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: not you know, even Miami Bam and Butler. You know,

770
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Butler will probably be banged up by the time, you know,

771
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: if he if he, if he's a Miami Heat, they

772
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: need another not Tyler hero, they need another player.

773
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Speaker 5: So it's this is the good thing.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Miami fan or a Knicks fan or

775
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: a Sixers fan, this is like, guys, this wasn't competitive

776
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: like this. They just I mean, how how many blowouts

777
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: they had, like thirteen blowout wins. It's like, tweaking is

778
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: not beating. Nobody in the East has Yokich. Okay, you

779
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: don't have Yokich. So Tweaking's not gonna do it. And

780
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: I think that's sort of the advantages. I say this

781
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: in sports all the time. The great thing about harbaught Michigan.

782
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: For a Buckeye fan, it puts pressure on going and

783
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: getting Chip Kelly as an offensive coordinator. It's like they're

784
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: throwing they're pushing us around three years in a row.

785
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: You want your rival to be viable because it puts

786
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: pressure on your owner and your front office. And so

787
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm watching this game tonight and I'm thinking, if I'm

788
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, you may hate Boston, but your front office,

789
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: these are smart people now in New York running that franchise.

790
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: You got to bring a Michale Bridges on and another

791
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: guy that can drop twenty Devivincenzo's become a great catch

792
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: and shoot guy Brunston's gonna give you twenty eight. McHale

793
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Bridges could give you twenty four. And I've got to

794
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: get somebody better than Mitchell Robinson in the post that

795
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: can give me offense. So it's that's the upside for

796
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference teams is I think Darryl Moury, the Knicks, uh,

797
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you know Indian if they can get somebody, the pressure's on.

798
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: You got to add multiple pieces over the next couple

799
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: of years to beat these guys.

800
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: And aggression is gonna be the key, because again, like,

801
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: how did Boston do this? They did this by trading

802
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: for Drew Holliday and chrisps Porzinkis, Like Brad Stevens just

803
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: hit two massive home runs. I went back and looked

804
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: at that trade and saw that they ended up like

805
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: netting two first round picks in the Porzingis trade, and

806
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, ah, man, like anybody could have had him.

807
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: And then Boston went and got him, and then you know,

808
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: like even looking at Denver, it's like they went and

809
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: got KCP. They went and got Aaron Gordon. Like those

810
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: are two like slam dunk moves to surround Jamal Murray,

811
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Junior and NICOLEA Jokic. They just there. That

812
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: aggression is the big piece there. Even going back to

813
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, they won after they traded for Drew Holliday,

814
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: the Bucks did, they traded for Drew Holliday, They went

815
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: and they won the title. And so like, keep an

816
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: eye on those aggressive teams this summer, the teams that

817
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: add talent.

818
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 3: There are a lot of young.

819
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: Teams in the NBA right now that are like this

820
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: close to becoming great. That Thunder team, that Orlando Magic

821
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: team is probably like two years away, but they're gonna

822
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: be really, really good. You mentioned the Pacers. If they

823
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 4: if they make maybe one more edition this offseason, they

824
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: could be in the mix. The Knicks are obviously gonna

825
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 4: be aggressive. I mentioned Memphis earlier. Like Memphis, this kid

826
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: Gigi Jackson that they have on the wing is awesome

827
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: that they discovered this year. He like slots perfectly between

828
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: Jamrant Desmond Bain. They're gonna have Jaron Jackson coming back.

829
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: They're gonna have a big look. They're gonna go get

830
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: a center, and they're gonna have a massive frontline that

831
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: could contend with Denver. As long as Jamran can like

832
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: stay healthy and available for his team, I think they

833
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 4: could be really good.

834
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: Like the league is just.

835
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: Like this Celtics team is kind of settling right in

836
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: this nice little opening here where all the older teams

837
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: are kind of falling apart and all the younger teams

838
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: are not quite there yet, and they're having a lot

839
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 4: of success as a result.

840
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Speaker 1: Jason timp hoops tonight been a blast NBA Finals. It's

841
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: in the books. The Celtics too good, as we said,

842
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: to not win a finals it was this year. Really,

843
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: it's got a Lebron Calves Duncan Spurs feel to it

844
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: where you kind of knew early on, you know, four

845
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: or five of the top six players felt like they

846
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: were all in Boston. They also, you know, I wrote

847
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: this down in my notes, when Boston in the third quarter,

848
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: when they're playing collaborative basketball, it's beautiful they are. I mean,

849
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: it is like a it's almost like they're playing and

850
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: when they're playing comfortably, and in this series they were

851
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: it's loose. I mean they are really like those Warrior teams,

852
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: even with KD and Clay and Steph, you know guys

853
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: that shoot a lot. They were pretty That was really

854
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: beautiful basketball. The Celtics had moments tonight and in this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they played a fun brand of basketball. I enjoyed

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Speaker 4: watching him, Colin. This has been another fun postseason in

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