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Speaker 1: From the Shrine Bowl in Los Vegas. This is the

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Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lazar, Alex Baro Lar. Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 1: Alex Barr Vegas. Hello everybody, and welcome to a new

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Speaker 1: edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two podcast video edition,

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Speaker 1: live from Las Vegas after Day two of the Shrine Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And I don't usually get two nostalgic with you, Alex,

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Speaker 1: Alex park alongside with me here, but we started our

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Speaker 1: podcast with two webcams and in our home offices, and

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Speaker 1: now we're out here shooting on location. But this great

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Speaker 1: the background and through the bushes there as well, and

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Speaker 1: doing this on the road together. It's pretty cool. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool, and obviously the Patriots video team is making

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Speaker 1: it possible, so huge yet out to them forgetting this

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Speaker 1: all set up and making it work. But this is

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Speaker 1: coming from how we started it really, starting back in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, lugging all that year around covering the Patriots

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Speaker 1: back in the day. This has been a cool This

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Speaker 1: is how it started versus how it's going. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to pull some awesome screenshots. And that's

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Speaker 1: Chris Gogelo's behind the camera. He's the one that set

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Speaker 1: this all up for us, so I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We have fourteen different names on this lovely list that

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Speaker 1: we put together of prospects that stood out to in

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Speaker 1: fully padded practice out at the Shrine Bowl at unlv

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Speaker 1: Real Football, tons of NFL scouts in general manager's decision makers,

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Speaker 1: if you will. Patriots coaching staff, I thought, actually hung

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Speaker 1: out East practice as well, so they were definitely getting

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Speaker 1: a good look at the prospects, just really quickly off

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Speaker 1: the top and well, I'll just keeping one thing about

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Speaker 1: the coaching thing too. Troy Brown spoke after practice, talked

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Speaker 1: team and they've kind of talked about each other's players.

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Speaker 1: So that was a big question of mine come end

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Speaker 1: of the week, how much of the Patriots good to

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Speaker 1: get to watch the guys on the East team. Sure

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Speaker 1: they're watching, Yeah, Yeah, they're definitely watching, and really quickly

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Speaker 1: just some bookkeepings things. Steve Belichick was back with the

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Speaker 1: of things getting it up with Breton Cox. I saw

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Speaker 1: all his special teams. Of course with Bill, you know,

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Speaker 1: He told me after practice that this is it was

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Speaker 1: And there's some precedent for that. You know, a guy

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Speaker 1: what did you think about Za? Yeah? I was really impressed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he just moves differently. We want him go

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Speaker 1: Especially when we've talked about this a lot, This is

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Speaker 1: about yesterday. Had three interceptions in East practice. Now one

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Speaker 1: He's somebody that the East team, the Falcons coaching staff

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Speaker 1: preparing for that exeter of his retirement, and just reading

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Speaker 1: How great would it be if the guy that eventually

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Speaker 1: a year, right, so absolutely, you know, Like Kyle Dugger

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Speaker 1: first time a thing like this, I've watched it on

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00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 1: TV like everybody else, it's different, but you have to

431
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 1: the intensity that certain guys play with. Like certain guys

432
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,120
Speaker 1: are here to make some money, and I'm not trying

433
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,160
Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus, but certain guys here

434
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 1: are really here to compete and prove their draft stock.

435
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 1: And I thought both Minnesota dbs are doing that this

436
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: week with some of that intensity. And the other thing

437
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: that I noticed about Howdon is that the Patriots I

438
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 1: think will take notice of some of the coverage rotations

439
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: that they were doing in the back end, you know,

440
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: single hide is split safety, things like that the Patriots

441
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 1: do all the time. And I thought it was really

442
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 1: funny as we kind of segue into the some of

443
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: the front players, the Patriots are working these guys on

444
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 1: two and three man games like stunts up front on

445
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 1: the defensive line in an All Star game like that,

446
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: that's how you know, like I wouldn't be surprised if

447
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 1: Mike Pellegrino dials up a zero blitz on Thursday night,

448
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 1: right like, this is definitely a team. And they were

449
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 1: off to the side when I noticed this, that they

450
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 1: were running some of the Patriots picker game type of

451
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: drills that they do out at training camp all the

452
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: time when we're out there. And it was seven on

453
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: seven on one field I think, or special teams or

454
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: something else was going on on the main field and

455
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: on the side field they had the defensive lineman repping

456
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: stunts and I'm just thinking of myself in an All

457
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,199
Speaker 1: Star game, like this is kind of crazy. Now. Some

458
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: of the guys that stood out they mentioned we'd already

459
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: I thought that the Nebraska kid who I'm breaking on

460
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: the kid's name right now. Och Ochewan Mathiss I think

461
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: is high o Chewan Mathis. He played on East though,

462
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: I believe, but he was. He was really disruptive. That

463
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: whole East front really ate up the offensive line. And

464
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: I thought both defensive fronts in practice today our first

465
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: exposure to fully padded practices, so he can really take

466
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: a look at the trenches. I thought the offensive lines

467
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: had some issues with these defensive lineman, which tells you

468
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: that there's some talent here on the defensive line. I'll

469
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: give you a guy from the West team head. That

470
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: guy's huge, big guy, long arms, just as disciplined player

471
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: on the edge. So in twenty twenty one, he had

472
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: a great season pass rusher nine and a half sacks,

473
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 1: led the team. Came back in twenty twenty two, and

474
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: I thought, honestly, Pop Moore as a run defender, so

475
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: a well rounded player didn't quite have the same pass

476
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: rush production, had a couple of great pass rush moves today. Honestly,

477
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: he reminds me a little bit of a guy on

478
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots right now, and Dietrich Wise just yeah, fundamentally sound,

479
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: well rounded player. He's a big guy. He's gonna be

480
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: a tough physical matchup for anybody. He was working against

481
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: Dalton Wagner, who we talked about yes six nine, and

482
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 1: he was kind of throwing him around a little bit.

483
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: So I liked what I saw from Baldonado today. He

484
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: definitely stood out. He definitely they It's kind of like

485
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: we talking about fourth word. I don't draft hit guy,

486
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: and he looks like a Patriot. I think he's a

487
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: base three, four and or five technique, but I think

488
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: he could reduce inside on passing downs if they wanted

489
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: to use him in that. Put some weight, some muscle

490
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: onto any well. What's interesting is he's from Rome, Italy, right,

491
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: He's not even from the United States, so he just

492
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: started playing football I think at like seventeen or eighteen

493
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: years eighteen years old. As I'm not saying like exclusively

494
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: draft guys like that, Yeah, but I like investing in

495
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: those guys here and there. Yes, the ceilings Mass it's

496
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: a perfect mid round or day three guy, because the

497
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: ceiling is he's already at this base line five years.

498
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he talked about it when we talked to

499
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: him in media availability. I overheard him talking to somebody

500
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: else about how in Rome in Italy he had to

501
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: play with like elementary school kids because they just didn't

502
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: have enough numbers to get everybody's playing soccer, right, so

503
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: they just didn't have enough numbers to get eleven on eleven.

504
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: So he's playing at like thirteen, fourteen years old. He's

505
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: playing with like eight year old kids over in Italy

506
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: just because they need the sheer numbers of it. And

507
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: and then he comes here and he actually is pretty good, right, right,

508
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: he played a year a high school ball here, Yeah,

509
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: guessing as an exchange student. Yeah. Then he and then

510
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: he started getting He said he didn't know that he

511
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: was going to get offers, like right, kind of surprised.

512
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: He he believes in himself. He was a little suprised

513
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden he's getting these offers. So yeah,

514
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: guy like that always interests me. Okay, a couple more

515
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: defensive front seven guys, which I again, I really thought

516
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: the front seven, especially on the East team, won the

517
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: day for them. They played really well in a team settings,

518
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, eleven on eleven type of drills. The other

519
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: guy that stood out both days was Anthony Orgy from Vandy.

520
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: Both times I died around, he was flying around. But

521
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: most importantly I thought he knew where he was supposed

522
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: to be going, which is like hard to do in

523
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: one day of practice and not a lot of exposures

524
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: to what exactly they're running schematically. Another guy that I

525
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: thought really stood out out here today and a Vandy guy,

526
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: which I they've kind of kicked around Vandy a little bit.

527
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: They've never drafted anybody I don't think from Vandy, but

528
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Zach Cunningham was a Vandy guy, right, And I will

529
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: always remember that picture of Bill down at Vandy's pro

530
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: day working out Zach Cunningham and everybody being like, oh,

531
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: I wish that they had a pick in that range

532
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: to take him, and they didn't have one that year.

533
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: Maybe orig he's the guy that stands out to them. Yeah,

534
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: and he was not only did he know where to be,

535
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: he knew where other guys were supposed to be in

536
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: the credit to the Falcons coaching staff, like they not

537
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: that it hasn't been the way with the Patriots, but

538
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: those linebackers are really loud and condicating, and so he's

539
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: clearly okay taking lead role an interception yesterday, and they's

540
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: some nice plays in the run today. Yeah, he's interesting

541
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: player by the way, they didn't draft a Vandy guy,

542
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: Jowan Williams, Vandy Adam Butler, it's Vandy. Not sure, well

543
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: you dfa Adam Butlers. I don't know. Jowan Williams is

544
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to bring that one.

545
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, let's forget about it. About that the

546
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years, I knew that they had kicked

547
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: around it. I don't know. I completely branked on Jowan

548
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Williams for some reason, and the other couple of guys

549
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: in the trenches that stood out to us. And I

550
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: want to talk about some more skill players, as I

551
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: know everybody likes the skill players, including us. Connor Galvin

552
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: from Baylor was the one tackle that I felt like

553
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: held his own a little bit in his practice. And

554
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: again I wonder with the offensive line played too. It's

555
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: difficult from a blocking standpoint to really know who you're

556
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be blocking and play fast and all these

557
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: types of stuff. And then from a defensive standpoint, like

558
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: when you just get the tea off like it's just

559
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: tea and off, like it just is what it is.

560
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: So in this setting, I can see how it would

561
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: favor the defensive lineman or the pass rushers a little

562
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: bit more. But Galvin's a guy that I had mentioned

563
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: to me from a few of my Olne friends through

564
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: my Oligne junkies, and he looked really good coming out

565
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: of his stance, which I always looked at for that

566
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: with tackles. You want to see that that explosiveness out

567
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: of that stance, that initial kind of movement there. If

568
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: you can get that, then I think your feet are

569
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: good and your explosiveness is good coming out of your stance.

570
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: You can work with the hands, you can work with

571
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: the rest of it. Yeah, it's like five helicopter right, Yeah,

572
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: welcome to Vegas. I my tape kind of on that.

573
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: Detroit Brown talked about this a little bit after practice.

574
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: I think they're just rotating around us and they're trying

575
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: to watch um. So many of these guys came out

576
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: so jacked up to hit him play football in a

577
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: month maybe more, and that's always going to favor the defense. Yeah,

578
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: when they want to come out and run through a

579
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: wall with the offensive linement just happens to be that wall. Yeah, absolutely,

580
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: all right, go ahead, the helicopter has come during the

581
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: offensive line talk naturally, really, so we saw Jackson Kirkland

582
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: again at guard. I'm really hoping that maybe they put

583
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: him at one practice, give us one practice with him

584
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: at tackle, because I think it can hold up there.

585
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: But some of these offensive linement I don't want to

586
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to name names, so I don't like

587
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: throwing people under the bus. It's been, it's been on

588
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: the defense in front, has one the last couple of yeah,

589
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: say that, absolutely, Okay. A couple of more skill players

590
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: that stood out to us today. Let's start. Let's go

591
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: to tight end, because you haven't discussed tight ends a

592
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: whole lot. We talked about Coleto, who's one of those.

593
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: He's a Hornig Award guy that we've been talking about

594
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot. That's, you know, that Swiss Army knife player

595
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: that's I don't know if he's gonna really necessarily be

596
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: an inline why get type of guy at the next level.

597
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: He's probably more of like a Kyle us Check. But

598
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: one inline guy that has stand out is Daniel Barker

599
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: from Michigan State. And this is kind of like edge,

600
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: I guess in a way right where you have to

601
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: start thinking about maybe passing the torch at some point

602
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: and filling out the depth chart with some younger players.

603
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry going into a contract year now at the Patriots.

604
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it feels like yesterday that they

605
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: signed all these free agents from the twenty twenty one

606
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: free agency class. But Hunter Henry's entering year three of

607
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: a three year deal. Johnny Smith is entering year three

608
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: of a four year deal. But this year is the

609
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: year that they can get out of it next offseason, right,

610
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: So once you get through the year three, if he's

611
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: still not producing at the levels that they're hoping for

612
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: with that contractor isn't out in his contract after this season,

613
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: and they didn't really have a third tight end on

614
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: the foster. They had Socol on the practice squad, they

615
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: had Scottie Washington on the practice squad. Those guys elevated

616
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: and played a little bit, But once those injuries started

617
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: to happen and Henry and Smith had got banged up

618
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: a little bit, they're kind of searching for tight ends.

619
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: And I also would mention inline blocking at tight end.

620
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: They could use like a prototypical inline hand in the dirt,

621
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: almost like a six tackle type of tight end that

622
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: can also catch it a little bit. I thought Barker

623
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: stood out more today catching the football then blocking necessarily.

624
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: We didn't get to see Schoonmaker unfortunately from Michigan's Like now,

625
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: he's like the real blocker of this group that's here

626
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. But what do you like about Barker?

627
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: I liked it every time I watched him. I don't

628
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: see anything wrong. Yeah, I don't know, Like he hasn't

629
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: made a highlight play. He's not necessarily pulling away from

630
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: guys in coverage, but he runs his route crisp. Yeah,

631
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: he gets open, he catches the football if it's of

632
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: the position where you can catch it, and there's something

633
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: to be said for that, just consistency, reliability, and yeah,

634
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be a day through guy because

635
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: again he's not necessarily a pop play. Right, you're trying

636
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: to build up some tight end depth, Maybe find something

637
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: like a guy like that, Uh certainly stands out to me.

638
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: So did the kid from and I'm blank on his

639
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: name or the kid the tight end from Wake Forest.

640
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: I would say description. Yeah, I think he looks like

641
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: a type of guy to the Wake tight end. And

642
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: if you can find his name that I think he

643
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: held up a little bit better. Inline blocking from what

644
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: I saw Blake white Hart, Yeah, thank you bigger. Yeah, Yeah,

645
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: so maybe he If you're they're just looking to check

646
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a box of blocking. I think Barker gives you a

647
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: little bit of burst and like has a little bit

648
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: of route running ability. The kid from Wake has a

649
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit more in mind. I think I like about them.

650
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of them are gonna be

651
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: a liability out. Yeah, and that's like the biggest thing

652
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: you can ask for, especially when you're taking guys on date.

653
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: Three year open will play some roll right away. Yeah,

654
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for. Yeah, he Parker caught a

655
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if it was a cross or if

656
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: it was just a corner, but they were trying to,

657
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, three level flood the defense on that side

658
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: of the formation, you know, deep route flat and fill

659
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: it in with the intermediate, and he just ran across

660
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: the field, and I thought he ran away from the guy.

661
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: And he's showed some some nice burst and acceleration, and

662
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: he seems like he runs well for a guy of

663
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: his side, So he's somebody that certainly stood out. I

664
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: thought he was actually opened up the seam on Finley's

665
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: third interception. The ball is a little bit higher and

666
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: put up here a little bit more, I think he

667
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: would have had a chance at it, but the defender

668
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: underneath actually was the one that tipped it up and

669
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: finley ended up with it. So maybe I think that

670
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: there's some seam and some crossing ability there, which is

671
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: something that we obviously know the Patriots want to do

672
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: and want to do a lot all right, wide receivers.

673
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: We mentioned Zay Flowers. Obviously there's a couple of guys here.

674
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: One of the guy from Jackson State who we talked

675
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: about yesterday Daniels, and then the guy from Liberty, Demarrio Douglas.

676
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: A lot of these. Demarrio Douglas. He had a great

677
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: day today, especially in one on one individuals. He ran

678
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: a slant that just absolutely undressed. I'm sorry I didn't

679
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: write down into the corner was off the top of

680
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: my head, but he just absolutely undressed one of the

681
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: corners on a slant route. I'll tell you who was

682
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: it was Uab Starling Thomas Okay, put him face down

683
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, So Thomas had a really good day yesterday.

684
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought, looking back at some of my notes, I

685
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: think today they tested him a little bit. They put

686
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: him on Za, they put him on Douglas, and I said,

687
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: let's see how fast you really are, right, you know?

688
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: And Douglas can move. I mean he's got some twitch

689
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: to him. He's got some speed, and we talk about

690
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: tears a lot. Get into draft season, Zai is probably

691
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a top fifty pick, if not a first

692
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: round pick. A guy like Douglas is somebody that, Okay,

693
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: we're looking for that skill set, but we really don't

694
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: want to draft it until like the fourth or fifth round,

695
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: and this is somebody that might fit in there. Yeah. Yeah,

696
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: I think he's impressed a lot of people this week.

697
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: He runs his routes hard. Yeah. You know, some guys

698
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: get opened and they you know, they know they're opening

699
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: running even he said he put it face down. Yeah,

700
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: he's still running like the guys right on his head. Yeah,

701
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: And that's something in the game was he talked about

702
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: earlier guys were really out here to complete, really prove

703
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean the motors ridiculous and didn't have any drops,

704
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: which has been a problem for some guys here at times. Yeah,

705
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: he didn't have any drops. He's regularly getting open. He did.

706
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: He was a regular in the special team's rotation as well.

707
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: They had him in the punt return with the punt

708
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: return group. So another thing you look for in a

709
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: game like this, who's just out there right right? Yeah,

710
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, who just wants to get on the field

711
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: in front of the scout. Yeah you know, hey, let

712
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: me return punts. It's another chance to get out there

713
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: and show their skill set. He is just constantly in

714
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that rotation, constantly at the front of the line. So

715
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: it's been a good week for him so far. Yeah.

716
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: He was also running some of those option routes on

717
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: the inside for the Patriots, often off in that spot right,

718
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: which I think he tells you back to the tiers thing, Like,

719
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I think that tells you that they're kind of looking

720
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: at our Zay is probably Tier one in that role,

721
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: and this guy might be Tier two or tier three.

722
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: But maybe somebody that's sticking around if the board doesn't

723
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: fall away, that's Zay or even like a guy like

724
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Josh Downs from UNC who isn't here, but it is

725
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: going to be another Day two early Day two type

726
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: of pick. If those types of guys they don't want

727
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: to go that high at that role, maybe a guy

728
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: like Douglas is somebody, but I would love to see

729
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: them translate that role a little. We talked about quickness

730
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: and it's so important for that role, but I would

731
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: also like to see a guy like Douglas I think

732
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: is gonna run pretty well in a straight line also right,

733
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna put up a four or

734
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: three something having that role be a little bit of

735
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: a speed vertical threat as well. I think over the years,

736
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, you had the Edelman's, he had the Welkers,

737
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: but somebody that's more like a Dion Branch or even

738
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: a Troy Brown back at his prime that can stretch

739
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: the field a little bit, I think that would add

740
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more, especially with the quarterback that you

741
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: have with Mac. Those touch like you know, shot throws,

742
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty to thirty yard you know, rainbow type

743
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: of passes from the from the slot, whether it's a

744
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: deep over or it's a slot fade or slot corner

745
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: or seam or something like that. Like those types of

746
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: routes I think fit the quarterback. And you might not

747
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: necessarily want Mac Jones to throw at sixty yards down

748
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: the field like he's Josh Allen, but trying to pick

749
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: it off at twenty five thirty times, you know, yards

750
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: at a time. And I think that these types of

751
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: guys that we've seen, like Zay and like Douglas, are

752
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: guys that could do that. Douglas ran some of those

753
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: routes today. Yeah, Zay went vertical once. It was the

754
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: last play of the game, and I think it was

755
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: a ghost route. I think yeah, ball was going where

756
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: it was going right, But we did see Douglas kind

757
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: of stretched the field from the slot a little bit.

758
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: So that's y. So you mentioned the last play of

759
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: the game or plast play of the day, I should

760
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: say out at West Press the game environment, they did

761
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: that thing. They do it so so they do it

762
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: in training camp every year if you're getting lucky enough

763
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: to go down to Fox Burd's free to the public.

764
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I always say this all the time, like, go to

765
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: training camp. It's like the coolest thing. It's the best

766
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: environment you're gonna get. And that's a lot what this

767
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 1: environment felt like was like training camp. I actually feel

768
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: like it was even better because it was such an

769
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: intimate setting that you felt right on top of things.

770
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: But literally last play of team. They did it yesterday too.

771
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: I think in one on one on once yesterday today

772
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: it was team eleven eleven team and you mentioned that,

773
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: take note of the guys that they put out there, right,

774
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: And we haven't talked enough about Justin Shorter from Florida.

775
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I think we should talk about him a little bit

776
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: now because they put Justin Shorter from Florida on the

777
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: one boundary. They put Zay on the other side, and

778
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: that was the guy that was who they rolled with

779
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Douglas in the slot, and they Douglass in the slot,

780
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: so they had I think those are the three guys

781
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: that they feel like have shown them the most. They

782
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: deserve to be out there, think right. So a Shorter

783
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: ran a double move, just a little stutter and go

784
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: on the outside. Za ran a stutter to go on

785
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: the other side. The safety went to Zay surprise, surprise.

786
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: So the quarterback. Do we remember who the quarterback was?

787
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Chase Bright, Okay, he

788
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: attacked the one on one matchup on the other his

789
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: DTR was ul Kid. Yeah, so they attacked the one

790
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: on one to Shorter. He went right by the corner

791
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: of the ball. Not to throw the UCL kid under

792
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: the bus. Ball is a little bit under throwne Honestly,

793
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: he beat the corner badly and last play rolled into

794
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: the end zone, walk off touchdown. Talk about the catch

795
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: because he makes a great adjustment on the ball. All

796
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: went damn like he had to go down to get it,

797
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: and you know, college players, they played their whole lives.

798
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Or you catch the ball in the ground, you're done, right,

799
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: He got right back up before he'd be touched down

800
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: and he fell like honest, I think Douglas did that

801
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: earlier in practice too. Actually did it ran into the

802
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: end zone. Yeah, that was a great play for Short.

803
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: Everybody was fired out. That was pretty cool to see. Yeah,

804
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, Shorters had it was a good way to

805
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: kind of emphasize make sure on the show. Yeah, he's

806
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: been like quietly good all week, right, but this was

807
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: until that that was loud. I found it interesting yesterday

808
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: and practice that Bill Brian wasn't out of practice today

809
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: at least we didn't see him. We get to that

810
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: in a second, but yesterday i practice, one of the

811
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: first guys that went up to Bill O'Brien was Shorter. Yeah,

812
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and now Shorter went to Florida, so the SEC guy,

813
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: So it wasn't Baman though, right like or anything like that.

814
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: You wonder maybe on the recruiting trail or something like

815
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: like that. He clearly had a connection with Bill O'Brien. Yeah,

816
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: And I don't want to look too deeply into that

817
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: sort of thing, but it is noteworthy that he's played

818
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: well out here. Bill Brian clearly has a background of

819
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: some sort with him that they know each other now, Yeah,

820
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: and if it didn't, he does now. He's a bigger

821
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: receiver though, Yeah, six three to six four. But I've

822
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: liked so like we talked about this with at Perry

823
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: yesterday right where. Yeah, he's tall, but he's not like

824
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: building right short. I thought Shorter was a tight end.

825
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: Yeah when we first got out of here, and he's

826
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: a did felt strong guy. Yeah, absolutely, As I do

827
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: this and people watching like to make the motion because

828
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: I'll give you, I'll give you another thirty seconds on

829
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: your punter, all right, go ahead. Michael Turk's a top

830
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: five player here. Just he's been unbelievable every Madden rating,

831
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: top five. Everybody stops when he kicks a wall. You

832
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: can't not stop you, hear it? Yeah, Bill Belichick was

833
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: right there in front of him. Yeah, during one of

834
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: those Piers day item walked at a five three hang time.

835
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: I know he's putting the ball. I mentioned the one

836
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: today he hit the field. It was a twenty to

837
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: twenty point. Yeah, he's just been you're twenty to thirty punts.

838
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: He's been UNREALI she's getting his foot in the ball

839
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: every time. They did some more directional punting today he's

840
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: putting the ball right on the sideline. He looks like

841
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: all the part of an NFL punter. We'll see whether

842
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: that's in New England, but this he's gonna get drafted.

843
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: He's going to play in the NFL. He has that ability.

844
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Cam Accord spend some time with him today too on

845
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: the side field, and I think one of the interesting

846
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: things was the directional punting with him. They were focusing

847
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: on that big him, because when you come to these

848
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: types of things, you expect him to just bomb it

849
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: right and just work on bombing him. But today he

850
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: was trying to hit you know, the sand edge and

851
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: the seven nine, and that's what Bill always says, It's

852
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: like golf, right, it's a different club and he was

853
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: showing off all the clubs today, not just the driver.

854
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: And I you have to think that the coaches were saying, hey,

855
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, we want to see you do this instead

856
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: of just bombit. He's got a like and winning the ball.

857
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: You can you can hear it right like you can

858
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: just hear the pop in the ball when he hits it.

859
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: And that's certainly is something that stands out. But I

860
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: mentioned a chord. I spent a good amount of time

861
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: on the side field with him today. No, they're they're

862
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: watching him. Yeah, this isn't just like hey he's here,

863
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: he's our punter, he's the guy we got to sign.

864
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: They're watching him. All right, Well that was our list.

865
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: Oh very us owens from here. I gotta mentioned not

866
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: a guy that's playing free safety looks really explosive. Yeah.

867
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Ive an interview up with him on ninety sports dot

868
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: com Funny Stories about Marcus Jones the other day. Oh yeah,

869
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: that that is true. He's a Houston guy and he

870
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: played a little guys here. A lot of the schools

871
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: that are showing up, honestly, Houston is shown up. Yeah,

872
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota's shown up in Florida like those three schools. Not

873
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: that there's other guys in UCLA. They got like ten

874
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: guys here, but those three schools. Like I feel like

875
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: we're constantly talking about players from Houston, Minnesota, and Florida.

876
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Before we wrap, I want to play the speculation game

877
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Okay, where was Bill Bryant? So

878
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe we didn't see him, but you know, we we

879
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: have eagle eyes out there. We got binoculars, We got

880
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards and we looked all around practice

881
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: trying to find him. And he wasn't in the middle

882
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: of things, that's for sure, like he was yesterday. We

883
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: could hear him here say we need to see Oh yeah,

884
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: he could. You could see he was. He was right

885
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: there in front and the center. So the fact that

886
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't front and center tells me that he probably

887
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: isn't there. I like to speculate. That's what we do

888
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: that on this show. From time to time, the Patriots

889
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: have reportedly been interested or kicking the tires and offensive

890
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: line coaches and Ryan Windell supposedly I think Albert Brewer

891
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: had to report is coming out here to Vegas to

892
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: do his interview, and I would also mention that Bill

893
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Belichick was a little late to practice, So maybe there's

894
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: a possibility that those two guys are interviewing today. I'm

895
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: not I'm blanking on the name. Mike Reas had him

896
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: in the Sunday Notes that Baltimore assistant offensive line coach

897
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: was Bill O'Brien's offensive line coach in Houston, and I'm

898
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: gonna give your take. I'll look up the name really quickly.

899
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility that's where Bill. Tony Sperrano Junior,

900
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: the son of the former Dolphins coach, was the other

901
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: one that they rest mentioned this morning Sunday morning, So

902
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: it's possible. It definitely makes a lot of sense, right.

903
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they're doing the interviews out here, Yeah,

904
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: trying to get this guy in a sap and build

905
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: up that coaching staff. So that stood out to me,

906
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: Like they're flying you know when Dell was in Buffalo.

907
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah it is Clemson Morgans. It's not as much of

908
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: a trip, but like they're they're keeping the search going

909
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: even while they're here. They're not pausing the preparation for

910
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three to come here and coach the Shrine Bull.

911
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: It's all happening right now. Mike Devlin's the guy from

912
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: Baltimore that was his offensive line coach the last name

913
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: of a Patriots player, because I remember that this morning.

914
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: It was a long time too that he was in here.

915
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Like I think the whole Bill O'Brien tenure in with

916
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: the Texans, Devlin was the offensive line coach. So he's

917
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: definitely somebody that I would connect to the job. It's

918
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: such a big job for the Patriots because they put

919
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot of game plan priority on the play to

920
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach, and then they also put development

921
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: obviously on the plane to the offensive line coach as well.

922
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: And it's the biggest position group that you can coach.

923
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be ten guys. The Patriots are

924
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: typically a team that keep nine ten guys and they

925
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys on the practice squad. Yeah,

926
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, we think or if not the

927
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: first round, there's gonna be a high draft pick at

928
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: that position, and so you want to make sure as

929
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: you develop, you know, use a high draft pick on

930
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: a guy the developments paramount. Do you have a coach

931
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: in that spot. Again, you trust the guy who knows

932
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: what he's doing to make sure that that development's taking

933
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: care of any good and it's it's no offense to

934
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Clem or Wendell, who I think are going to be

935
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: good coaches. It would be good hires if they hired them,

936
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: But I like the idea of maybe them going after

937
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: Devil and again because he's got experience on the job

938
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Clem, I know, is with Pittsburgh briefly

939
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: and then he's done it at Oregon. But Wendell has

940
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: only ever been an assistant offensive line coach. So I

941
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: think what they would end up doing if they hired

942
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: a guy like Wendell is that Billy Yates and him

943
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: would probably split it right, which is which is okay

944
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: because they did that with um what it was, right, Yeah,

945
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Kolepaviovich and Carmen Bursillo. So it's possible. One last piece

946
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: of news and then we're gonna wrap Vic Fonio going

947
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins, the defensive coordinator. I hate to

948
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: use the word worry because the Patriots right now are

949
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: not playing in the playoffs and didn't make it, so

950
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: they got their own issues to worry about it, if

951
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: you catch my drift. But twice a year they're gonna

952
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: have to play Fongio's system, which right now is the

953
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: hot system in the NFL. It just is. The Seattle

954
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: three was the hot system. Obviously, people hire out of

955
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: the Belichick coaching tree to steal the Patriots defensive system,

956
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and now the Fongio scheme is everywhere. I mentioned earlier

957
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: in the show, a lot of split safety, a lot

958
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: of match quarters like that's sort of the base of

959
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: the system. But I thought one of the things about

960
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: the Dolphins that let the Patriots compete with Miami and

961
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: then beat Miami the second time with their quarterback situation aside,

962
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: was that Josh Boyer is a man to man aggressive

963
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. I don't think they're gonna have quite that

964
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: much aggression with Fongio. He is now the highest paid

965
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: coordinator in football according to Tom Pellicero NFL Network, So

966
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: they really went after him, and he's one of the

967
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: best defensive minds in the game. Yeah, it's gonna be

968
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: interesting to see, you know. You go back to those

969
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: teams he had Denver, right, the defensive front he had. Yeah,

970
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: they've added Bradley Chubb to Christian Wilkins and all those

971
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: guys in the front seven. He's gonna having Phillips, Jalen Phillips. Yeah,

972
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a lot of fun with those guys. Right,

973
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: we'll see what it looks like on the back end.

974
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: They have some talent there as well. But I mean

975
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: that team gonna be top ten, top five and sacks

976
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: next year. It feels like they should be, right. Yeah,

977
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that's going back to we'll tie the two together. Yeah,

978
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: that game, you can already circle it right now. Whenever

979
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: the Patriots play Dolvis was one five fifteen eighteen. Yeah,

980
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna go into that game talking a lot about

981
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots offensive line, how they need to have a

982
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: big performance. To your answered, a big Fongio. It's the

983
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. Yeah, Bill O'Brien versus Fongio is gonna

984
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: be a chess mask of a good time. I know that.

985
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: And I think with Fongio two, they have the corners

986
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: to play because match quarters or quarters in general is

987
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: basically just man, you know, and there's a lot of

988
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,959
Speaker 1: kind of cover zero elements to it as well, because

989
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: there's nobody behind you. You know, you have the deep

990
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: fourth and it kind of simplifies your vision of all right,

991
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm only looking here, but there's nobody else there. So

992
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't match up against your guy,

993
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: then your toast. So what he does a lot of

994
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: is he puts a lot of stress on Zavian Howard

995
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: and hopefully they well for that, and they hopefully get

996
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: Byron Jones back and Nick need Him back, and they'll

997
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: have those guys in the back end, but mainly it's

998
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna be the front that I think is going to

999
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: be a difference making for them and allow them to

1000
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: not blitz a ton. I thought that was such a

1001
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: big detriment to And why Boyer I think is out

1002
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: of a job right now, it's because they just blitzed anyways,

1003
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: and they were banged up at corner, especially when they

1004
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: came and played the Patriots the second time. Like they're

1005
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: playing like Keyon Crossing seventh round pick special teams type

1006
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: of guy. They're they're not paying playing Zavin Howard and

1007
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and Nick need him. They got banged up

1008
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: corners when they're still playing man blitz and it was

1009
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: it was they needed a resume change there in Miami.

1010
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: All right, So tomorrow back out second practice for the

1011
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: West team, but we'll be back out for East practice

1012
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: on Monday morning as well. We don't know if they're

1013
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna be in pads or not so well, we'll figure

1014
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: that out once we get out there. But a really

1015
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: fun day today, full pads. This was like training camp

1016
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: all over again. Felt like it was August. It wasn't

1017
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: as hot so as it was here in August, which

1018
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: was nice. But we'll be back tomorrow with another show

1019
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: recapping day three a Shrine Bowl practices for Alex Farth.

1020
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for watching everybody here. Thank you

1021
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,640
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1022
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