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Speaker 1: This is a little different guests for us. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I look through all of Millers that I might

427
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Speaker 1: have seen that he ripped off a number of his

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Speaker 1: sex that that's that's really good news because Judean will

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Speaker 1: be probably playing next to him a fairmountain. Campbell as

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Speaker 1: well has been a decent over guy much better than

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Speaker 1: I that I thought he was in terms of quickness,

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Speaker 1: So that'll I think that'll fit together very well. Martin

433
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Speaker 1: Dale really loves to staunt. He does it a lot

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Speaker 1: and uh and they have done very well with it.

435
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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, having even better players will

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Speaker 1: be exciting in terms of evens pass rush. M So

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Speaker 1: how does this affect Brandon Williams. Brandon Williams gets to

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Speaker 1: move back to the nose with the departure of Michael Pierce,

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Speaker 1: So I think that we've been seeing a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a lesser version of Brandon Williams. I think he

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Speaker 1: still played very well and frankly, is very underappreciated in

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Speaker 1: this town. I mean, this will be his eight year

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Number nine will be in two thousand twenty one.

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Speaker 1: I don't see any reason why he won't be here

445
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Speaker 1: for that, and frankly, he's a Ring of Honor candidate

446
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Speaker 1: if he makes it through this next year even but

447
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Speaker 1: but certainly the next two. But being back on the

448
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Speaker 1: nose tackle probably a little bit better for him in

449
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Speaker 1: terms of productivity. I think we saw that during the

450
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Speaker 1: end of the year when he was playing in the

451
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Speaker 1: four outside linebacker package I called the race car. He

452
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Speaker 1: was the lone defensive lineman playing hit up on the

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Speaker 1: on the center, and I thought we saw improved pass

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Speaker 1: rush productivity from him in contribution to the past rush

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Speaker 1: when he was doing that. So I'm very excited about

456
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Speaker 1: what this will mean for Williams going back to his

457
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Speaker 1: natural position. I thought, well, Brandon played some of his

458
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Speaker 1: best football at the second half of last season, and

459
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Speaker 1: you bring up the point that he's maybe a little

460
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Speaker 1: bit underappreciated. I think a lot of that probably has

461
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Speaker 1: to do with the fact that he's just plays a

462
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Speaker 1: grunt position where he gobbles up blockers and isn't making

463
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Speaker 1: a ton of splash plays. But did you feel like

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Speaker 1: him in the second half of last year what he

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Speaker 1: was playing at as high of a level as you've

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Speaker 1: seen from him in recent years. That's definitely certainly true.

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Speaker 1: You know. I thought Brandon Williams was just a very

468
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Speaker 1: dominant nose tackle early in his career two thousand four

469
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Speaker 1: fifteen when he's playing there. But yes, since since Pierce

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Speaker 1: came along, he honestly had some productivity reduction because he

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Speaker 1: was playing a three tech when he's on the field

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Speaker 1: with Pierce, So anyway that I I would agree. I

473
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Speaker 1: thought he was terrific in that second half and he

474
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Speaker 1: really had some opportunity to play back on the nose,

475
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Speaker 1: uh in that second half of that different package. So

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Speaker 1: here's something I'm trying to figure out. It's first, it's

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Speaker 1: the first game of the season. First down defense takes

478
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Speaker 1: the field. What does the defensive line and the linebacker

479
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Speaker 1: combination look like? Is it Brandon Williams, Calais Campbell, Derek Wolfe,

480
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Speaker 1: Jude On and then say, Jalen Ferguson, what do you

481
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Speaker 1: think that defensive line looks like? First down? Right out

482
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Speaker 1: of the gate? Those are the front five. I would

483
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Speaker 1: predict it's a little bit more dicey when you get

484
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Speaker 1: the inside linebacker who will be on the field, But

485
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Speaker 1: you know that they'll have somebody maybe with fort um

486
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Speaker 1: uh it it could be the start in the dime

487
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Speaker 1: and we'll see if that If that goes that way.

488
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Speaker 1: They put a lot of dime this last year, much

489
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Speaker 1: more than based defense. They play a lot of nickel

490
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: three times as much as based defense. So uh, really

491
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Speaker 1: the package will depend on the on the offense that's

492
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Speaker 1: that's against them. But in terms of you know who

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Speaker 1: would they like to get the starts. I think you've

494
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Speaker 1: nailed it. Okay, alright, So again that brings us to

495
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Speaker 1: an interesting point about the draft, and there's been a

496
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Speaker 1: lot of discussion about inside linebacker, the possibility of taking

497
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Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen there. What do you see

498
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Speaker 1: from those two guys? How do they compare and contrast

499
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Speaker 1: to each other? Okay, Well, if if I had to

500
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Speaker 1: just choose between the two of them, I probably take

501
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Speaker 1: Queen by a very small amount. He's he's young and

502
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Speaker 1: very fast. He's a little bit undersized, but a good

503
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Speaker 1: coverage guy that has all the sideline to sideline speed

504
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Speaker 1: that I think that all teams will covet in terms

505
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Speaker 1: of of giving him an additional value. Murray has more

506
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Speaker 1: of an ideal run stopping size, But I'm seeing a

507
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Speaker 1: yer who's more reminiscent of Kenny Young in terms of

508
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Speaker 1: not having a good idea what's happening behind him. So,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that they'd use him to to

510
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Speaker 1: cover a running back on third down. They'd want him

511
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Speaker 1: to shoot gaps where he takes a lot of chances

512
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: there as well. Um, but but he's he could develop

513
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Speaker 1: into something special. But He's not a special past defender

514
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Speaker 1: certainly at this point, and I think there's a good

515
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Speaker 1: chance that NFL play action is going to give him

516
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Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. So, uh, you know, other two

517
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Speaker 1: of those, I probably like Queen a little bit more.

518
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Speaker 1: And as I've mentioned to you, Ryan, I I really

519
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Speaker 1: don't think either of them is really worth the twenty

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft. Can you that a little bit?

521
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Speaker 1: Because I mean, if you look at the mocks, it

522
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Speaker 1: seems it seems like those two guys are the most

523
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Speaker 1: popular my draft selections at number twenty eight, So why

524
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Speaker 1: do you feel like they wouldn't be worth that value? There? Absolutely,

525
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Speaker 1: I'll explain. So. I think there's a premium placed on

526
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Speaker 1: inside linebacker in general, and we saw it really last

527
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Speaker 1: year with the two Devons, Devin White and Devin Bush

528
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Speaker 1: draft at fifth and tent. Where you want a signal caller,

529
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Speaker 1: there's only four positions you can really happen. You can

530
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Speaker 1: have it either safety spot or either inside linebacker spot.

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Speaker 1: So people are looking for a three down unicorn inside

532
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Speaker 1: linebacker that can do it all and stay on the

533
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Speaker 1: field and not hurt your team. And you know, Murray

534
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Speaker 1: and Queen would fit that Bill, but you pay a

535
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Speaker 1: premium to do it. And the Ravens give up defensive

536
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Speaker 1: flexibility with their Diamond quarter packages in order to do it.

537
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Speaker 1: And they already have their signal caller, have Chuck Clark.

538
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Speaker 1: They're gonna build the defense around him in terms of

539
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Speaker 1: having the guy who's gonna call signals I think for

540
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Speaker 1: years to come. Uh so, why why would they want

541
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Speaker 1: to overpay for an inside linebacker who's a three down

542
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Speaker 1: unicorn when they could have a guy in a later

543
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Speaker 1: round who's a real value as a two down run

544
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Speaker 1: stopper and then use that draft capital on another area

545
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Speaker 1: of need. So that's that's where I'd be. And there

546
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Speaker 1: there are lots of guys later in the draft who

547
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Speaker 1: won't carry a big premium. Jordan Brooks of Texas is

548
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Speaker 1: a terrific run stopper. Jordan Phillips of l s U

549
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Speaker 1: is a potential will maybe fifth round pick, fourth round pick,

550
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Speaker 1: that would be very good. He played next to Queen,

551
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: but it is, but it's maybe a better run defender.

552
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: This blow up? What you say, is this blowing up

553
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: your mock draft? Now? Oh yeah, I'm major tweaks. I'm

554
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: not sure what to do now. Well, we can, we'll

555
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: we'll admit both of us. We're looking at it inside

556
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: linebacker as now I just feel like a sheep. Now

557
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: you know that, um so, I guess ken. Then the

558
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: question is what you do like and or what addition? Well,

559
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens are in a great position to

560
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: let the board fall to them because they have a

561
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: bunch of different positional needs. They're not forced in anything,

562
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Speaker 1: and I think that it's plays well for that. It

563
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Speaker 1: also plays well for not having a lot of predatory

564
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: gms calling you know exactly what you need and saying, hey, well,

565
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh trying to get in front of you at number

566
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Speaker 1: twenty seven, do you want to trade up to twenty

567
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Speaker 1: four for us? Kind of thing? Anyway, there are guys

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Speaker 1: I like at number twenty eight, and these are I'll

569
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Speaker 1: give you four names that I think there's a good

570
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Speaker 1: chance none of them fall to twenty eight, but if

571
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Speaker 1: any of them is available, they're the guys I would take.

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Speaker 1: The first one is Javon Kinlaw of South Carolina. He's

573
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Speaker 1: a he's a beast. Uh interior defensive lineman six six

574
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: three oh five, very reminiscent of Campbell could pick up

575
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: so I'm certain some of the fundamentals of playing with

576
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Speaker 1: link from Campbell. Uh. He won't make it to twenty eight.

577
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Speaker 1: It's a dream if if he would. There's two safeties

578
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: I like their, Xavier McKinney of Alabama and Grant Delta

579
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: of l s U. I probably like a little bit

580
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Speaker 1: less because I'm not sure he can be the free

581
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: safety the Ravens need him to be. Ravens really are

582
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: in search. I think of a young back and safety,

583
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Speaker 1: even though it seems like they're fairly well set in

584
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Speaker 1: the secondary um to relieve some of the cap pressure

585
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Speaker 1: on the defense and move some of that money the

586
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: offenses don't need to for Jackson coming up. M what

587
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: guy Earl Thomas might be here? So too too much

588
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: longer I'm playing well. There is an out on his

589
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: contract where I think it's about six million of capper

590
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: leaf if he's released after this year. But let's say

591
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: it does take two years. There's still plenty of back

592
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: end play in what was Car's role last year from

593
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: McKinney or Adulpit if they come to Baltimore, UH for

594
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: this next year, so good opportunity to learn on the job. Yeah,

595
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: that would be an interesting approach because the Ravens already

596
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: made some significant investments in the secondary, mostly with signing

597
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: guys Peters, Earl, Chuck Clark, Jimmy just resigning him. So

598
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: that would be an interesting approach to use another highly

599
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: coveted asset on that defense. I know it's more for

600
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: a long term play, but um, that would be an

601
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: interesting approach. You also like a j Epeneza right from Iowa. Yes,

602
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: I love him, and I think he could become the

603
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: edge setter that they've been missing since Sugs left, because

604
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: they really they've really missed that that guy. I think

605
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: he'd played rush linebacker, I would assume, I don't think

606
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: he'd be he'd move in and play a five or three.

607
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of wasting him. I think they'd

608
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: want to want to leave him on the edge, still

609
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: get some pass rush from him, but hopefully he'd be

610
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: the good edge center. And how about the receivers. Let's

611
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: get to the sexy positions here. Come on, you're talking

612
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: about defensive line, interior, defensive line, rud edge centers. I

613
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the receiving class. Um, who were

614
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: the guys that you like? And it seems to me

615
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Speaker 1: when I look at the mocks, at least that getting

616
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Speaker 1: one in the first round may not necessarily be the

617
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Speaker 1: approach because it's a deep class. There's gonna be a

618
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: ton of them to fly off the board in the

619
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Speaker 1: first three rounds. That the guy you get a twenty

620
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Speaker 1: eight may not be much different than the guy you

621
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Speaker 1: get in the second round. Is that the way you

622
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Speaker 1: see it? And who are some of the options there? Yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: they're there. I think you're right. I think there's a

624
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a natural grade off with a

625
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of efficiency all the way along the line of

626
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: where you can draft a receiver. I do think you

627
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: get a better receiver in the first round, but you

628
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: get a good receiver still in the second round. Um.

629
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Speaker 1: The two guys I like that I think are reasonable

630
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: to drop to twenty eight are Denzel Mems of Baylor

631
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: and Tee Higgins of Clemson. And those are both big

632
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: body guys. Uh, lots of catch radius for both of them.

633
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims is a very big um. Wait, guys, is

634
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: a prototypical I think six three, six four to twenty um.

635
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna give you great downfield blocking. In fact, he's

636
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: made some comments recently might have been on the lounge.

637
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he made it, but but uh,

638
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, to say, basically, I like to like to

639
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: pancake a guy at least once a game. And that's great.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear that up from the wide receivers

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Speaker 1: m and and then I'm just looking at the notes

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Speaker 1: that you provided to us I've been saying, and I

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Speaker 1: think that it may be becomes even more of a need.

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Speaker 1: Certainly after the decision for Marcianic's retire, that offensive line

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Speaker 1: is still an area that I think the Ravens could

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Speaker 1: address either in free agency in that second wave a

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Speaker 1: guy that nobody's talking about and maybe sitting out there

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Speaker 1: in the market and who they who they go and get.

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Speaker 1: But if you were to find somebody at the end

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Speaker 1: of the first round who could be a can play

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Speaker 1: starter at guard, then that's a great way to use

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Speaker 1: that pick and he could start for the next four

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Speaker 1: or five years. Is there anybody that you feel like

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Speaker 1: fits that mold at the end of the first or

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Speaker 1: maybe in the early you know, or the first let's say,

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Speaker 1: the first two days of the draft. Oh, in the

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Speaker 1: first two days the draft, there is definitely people Day

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Speaker 1: two and the forty to sixty range. There's so many

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Speaker 1: players that I love for value there. But here's probably

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Speaker 1: do this before I talk about the offensive line. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, when you use the pick sorry

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Speaker 1: pick and you get the best player, it's like you're

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Speaker 1: trading away an early third round pick in terms of

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Speaker 1: lost value. So I so I I really don't like

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Speaker 1: doing that. If you can, you can look at the

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Speaker 1: points that you can see trading. If you if you

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Speaker 1: draft the bet at number twenty, it's really like giving

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Speaker 1: up pick number seventy six in terms of j J points, right. So, so,

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Speaker 1: which is why the Ravens. You know that that goes

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Speaker 1: That speaks to the the best player available, not just

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Speaker 1: the best need the most significant need available. That speaks

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Speaker 1: to try and to find the as player available, which

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Speaker 1: is the obviously need always plays a factor in it.

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Speaker 1: But that at its core is why the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: that philosophy. Yeah, and they've they've been masters of of

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Speaker 1: moving around the board to get value where they do picks.

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00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: That's the other tool they have. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the guys I like between forty and sixty are are

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00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: still pretty thin on the offensive line. Saysarruise, I love

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Speaker 1: anywhere in there or Jonah Jackson of Ohio State. I

681
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: like um. I think the Ravens because they have such

682
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Speaker 1: a good record of finding a value offensive lineman later

683
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: might wait. And so there's a lot of guys. I

684
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: really love the guy who plays next to Caesar Ruise

685
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Speaker 1: at the UM uh Michigan, Michael Anweno. He's an absolute

686
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: mountain of a man. Uh weighs pounds roughly. He's built

687
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot like Edwin Multala was um and and uh

688
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: really great run blocker, road grader who can move into

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Speaker 1: level two and block a linebacker two. So a lot

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Speaker 1: to like about him, and he'd be a guy that

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get in about the fourth round. Nice. Nice,

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Speaker 1: you know who I haven't heard him right down, I'm

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Speaker 1: calling him. Well, you know someone else that you called

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Speaker 1: me who hasn't come up, and we already asked about receiver.

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Speaker 1: But levisca channel make has kind of put his claim

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Speaker 1: on him, and you don't mention him. So you don't

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Speaker 1: do you not think he would be worth let's say

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Speaker 1: a second round pick. I think he could be work

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Speaker 1: at the seven round, second round pick, for sure. He's

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Speaker 1: on he's on my list here, third from the bottom. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's great A J. Brown comparison, a lot of big

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Speaker 1: yak potential, their body like a running back. He's uh

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Speaker 1: what about six or two and a quarter. They used

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Speaker 1: him out of the wild catalot of Colorado, and you

705
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: know he he's had some concerns with injuries, but he

706
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: is a definitely a guy after the catch who was

707
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Speaker 1: to be feared. Right, So you're still taking to Brown

708
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: last year? I know we did like A J. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that can make a lot of sense. How

710
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Speaker 1: how were you were you guys screaming about Derwin James

711
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: when when he got passed up? We both like Derwin

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Speaker 1: James a lot. Um. You know that would just surprised

713
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Speaker 1: me at that time. Um that they traded back away

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Speaker 1: from Derwin James because I felt like he was he

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Speaker 1: was one of those guys that if he was there,

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Speaker 1: he'd be a great pick. And obviously he's been good,

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00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: he's said injury problems, Um, but when he's been on field,

718
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: he's been really good. So um, you know, Chanel isn't interesting.

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Speaker 1: He's somebody who, because of the injuries, the Ravens might

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Speaker 1: be able to get high value on him. You know,

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Speaker 1: he might fall stay out of the first round, um

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Speaker 1: and because teams are scared off by the injuries, and

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Speaker 1: it's a good receiver class. And also you get him

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Speaker 1: in the second round and he ends up if you

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00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: can stay healthy, ends up being a difference baker on

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Speaker 1: the offense. So I do think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: merits and the idea of taking channel, yeah, I think

728
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a good point. And one of the things

729
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: about taking channel in the second round is you really

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Speaker 1: can't have already taken a receiver in the first round,

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Speaker 1: So that'd be a nice thing to do, is to

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Speaker 1: keep your optionality open by not using twenty eight on

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Speaker 1: a receiver if possible, because there are going to be

734
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: good choices every round. It's it's good to not use

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Speaker 1: up that one spot you have uh for for the

736
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: early need. I mean, they're gonna have trouble passing up

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Speaker 1: wide receiver if that's the best value of twenty and

738
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Speaker 1: they can't trade the pick. But if they could trade

739
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Speaker 1: the pick as an alternative, you know, it might be

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Speaker 1: worth waiting and getting one of the second round. All right, Ken,

741
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Really really appreciate the insight and for listeners

742
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: out there, you can follow Ken on Twitter again at

743
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Speaker 1: film Study Ravens and his website is film study Baltimore

744
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: dot com. Great insight, deep dive into everything related to

745
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: film studies. So Ken, thanks again for coming on. We'll

746
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: catch up with you again down the road. Really good insight,

747
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: and we both have some work to do now on

748
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Speaker 1: our mock drafts. Are you gonna change Are you gonna

749
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: stick with Patrick Queen? I'm not ruling it out. He's

750
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: given me some things to think about, but I still also,

751
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: by the way, his assessment of Queen was very similar

752
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Speaker 1: to what I was talking about with him when we

753
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: did our podcast earlier in the week and I talked

754
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: about Queen maybe having a little bit of a higher upside.

755
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: He was very much, very similar sentiment from him on Queen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I totally agree with him on

757
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: the sense that, um, that Kenneth Murray is is like

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00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: a Kenny Young. Uh you know, well, I mean you

759
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: say that, and it automatically everybody's gonna be like, yeah, right.

760
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: I just don't know that. I don't know that I

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00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: buy that, Um, I think Kenneth Murray is is a

762
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: much higher floor player than Kenny Young was, um, and

763
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: there's a reason that he's going to be a first

764
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Speaker 1: or second round pick, where Young was a fourth round pick.

765
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: So I I don't totally I agree with that comparison.

766
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Speaker 1: But he had great he had great insight, really enjoyed

767
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: the conversation. He knows his stuff, um, and I hope

768
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the listeners enjoyed it as well. Well, here's what's interesting,

769
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Speaker 1: is I just I'm struggling to know who it is

770
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: if it's not one of those linebackers, right, because there's

771
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: just it just seems to really kind of fill a need.

772
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: And I mean not according to Ken, but according to

773
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: most pundity are putting mock drafts out. You know, be

774
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: a good value to get one of those, you guys,

775
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: and still you know, I mean Todd mcshaye now has

776
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: his latest mock draft has a defensive tackle from TCU

777
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: Ross Blaylock, which is the first time I've heard that name,

778
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: uh even in the first round. To be honest, Um,

779
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know is it now? He has

780
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins, the wide receiver from Clemson, dropping the thirty

781
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: to the Packers. He also Tee Higgins is sitting there

782
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. Is that kind of what Ken wants

783
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: to talk about, Like, if if one of those wide

784
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: receivers is there, it's hard to pass that up, you know.

785
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: He also in Tom mcshay's latest mock draft. He has

786
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Speaker 1: Brandon Aiyuk, the wide receiver from Arizona State. He you've

787
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: talked about is a potential secon round option. He hasn't

788
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Speaker 1: going number twenty. I saw that. I saw that. I

789
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Speaker 1: was like, whoa, Okay, Um, yeah, so it's very interesting.

790
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean this gets back into the DeAndre Swifts running

791
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: back from Georgia. You know, does he fit in there?

792
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I saw this ESPN feature on

793
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the Tour Gross Matto's the defensive end. Did you have

794
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: you ever heard about his story? Refreshman? Oh, it's it's

795
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: his dad. His dad died saving his life when they

796
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: fell out of a boat and he, you know when

797
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: uh your tour, was a kid and his dad's saved

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: him by put him in his boat and his dad drowned.

799
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Speaker 1: Right then his brother, who was like his everything as children,

800
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: got struck by lightning at a baseball game and died. Um,

801
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I mean, here's a Maryland kid grew

802
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: up in Maryland, like kind of southern Maryland. It's just

803
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: crazy story. And then I don't know, it's just I'm like,

804
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: could this guy end up? Not because of the story,

805
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: but I mean, he's a pass rusher who's going to

806
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine into the Tennessee Titans in mcshay's latest draft.

807
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean, we kind of would like pass rushers, right,

808
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: how come he can't be the fifth? I don't know.

809
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know who that guy is. I'm still

810
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: I feel more unsure this year than I have in

811
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Speaker 1: previous years. Well, we got time to figure it out.

812
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Speaker 1: We got about a month, um, three weeks now to

813
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Speaker 1: figure it out, and we will do the full seven

814
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Speaker 1: round mock draft podcasts that will certainly happen, UM and

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it this time here from fans and who

816
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Speaker 1: you think we should draft and what your seven round

817
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: mocks look like? So send those in uh to the

818
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Speaker 1: lounge at Ravens on NFL dot Net. Also, we are

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Speaker 1: going to do a non football mock draft. We're leaning

820
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Speaker 1: towards the Bunker draft. Also kicking around the Netflix draft. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Those are some ideas that are floating around right now.

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Speaker 1: So we will do some of those things later this week.

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Speaker 1: And also we've got some more guests that we're working

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Speaker 1: on lining up. Um, we're trying to talk to the

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00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: newest Raven, Derek Wolf, so hopefully that happens. You make

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Speaker 1: them do that for him. Uh, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to everyone, and we will be back with

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow