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Speaker 1: The biggest game of the season leads to perhaps the

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Speaker 1: biggest loss of the season, at least to date. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvicy joins me, we

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Speaker 1: try and dissect all that went wrong Sunday, every face, offense, defense,

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Speaker 1: special teams. They weren't good enough to beat the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight twenty nine, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, here's Craigcrioler.

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Speaker 1: So football wise, things were trending in a positive direction

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Speaker 1: this past weekend. Congratulations to Arizona State. Not only do

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Speaker 1: they win the Big twelve championship, but they make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations Paul to your alma mater and minds. We are

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Speaker 1: both Bowl eligible and thus going bowling, which is always good,

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Speaker 1: especially for the Cal Golden Bears. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 1: the last time they saw postseason football. Off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head, by the way, I can't say, I

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Speaker 1: can't say too much because I don't know the last

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Speaker 1: time Syracuse made it into the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't say this. Cal for the first time

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Speaker 3: in over one hundred years, did not see LA this year.

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Speaker 3: So I guess it takes the LA Bowl to reinstate

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Speaker 3: nor Cal versus So Cal. Considering somehow the University of

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Speaker 3: California does not play UCLA or USC any longer in

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Speaker 3: the college football landscape. Make that makes sense please, So

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Speaker 3: I guess in lou with that, they threw a North

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Speaker 3: calibone and say come on down to SoCal and you'll

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Speaker 3: this point. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: So Syracuse is coming out west as well Holiday Bowl

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Speaker 3: Go that's right, we'll bomb out there. We'll start you know,

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Speaker 3: well put it this way. Let's hope that Cow's quarterback

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Speaker 3: doesn't wake up all of a sudden just sick on

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Speaker 3: game day like they did get in SESSMU, which made

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Speaker 3: us sick. And that's the way the seasonp I guess

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Speaker 3: six and six does still earn your bowl game. So

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Speaker 3: as much as college football has changed, some things have not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, six and six is still considered a success, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, in college football. Six and seven, However, in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Paul, and this is where things do not

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Speaker 3: That's a segue.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals lose their third in a row, thirty to eighteen.

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Speaker 1: They fall to the Seattle Seahawks, get swept by the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks this season, but I know it's just so painful

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Speaker 1: to lose to the Seattle Seahawks. More importantly though this

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Speaker 1: and we talked about it, this was the biggest game

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Speaker 1: Because what was the biggest loss. Cardinals no longer control

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Speaker 1: their postseason destiny, and if you had one, everything would

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Speaker 1: have been right there in your hands. Now it's still there,

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Speaker 1: but it is going to be much more difficult because

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Speaker 3: Well, you defied the doubters to begin the season, can

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Speaker 3: that's my little summary. You're gonna need help. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: need to win out. Let's be realistic, and it is

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Speaker 3: So obviously, you know the turnovers were key. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: First play of the game, first offensive play from scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals offense has woken up. The deep play, the

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Speaker 1: And you loved the forty one yarder for a couple

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Speaker 1: I give Kyler all the credit in the world. He

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Speaker 1: And yes, the quarterback gets all of the praise and

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Speaker 1: But again Kyler owned up to it. But let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: Now in that particular play, Garrett Williams was the defender

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Speaker 1: you had postgame with Sean Murphy bunting here momentarily, but

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Speaker 3: It's sort of remarkable. You saw a Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier, Jonathan Gannon, the double positives, takeaways, explosive plays.

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Speaker 3: And it was seemingly a bit of a lull defensively

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Speaker 1: And it's the field position in which those Seahawks got

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Speaker 3: That Buddha Baker made, and believe me, there were a

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Speaker 1: And this is where having and this is where I'm

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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I hear, well, it certainly

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Speaker 1: your kicking mechanics, whatever. I'm not trying to make excuses.

432
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking out loud as far as what might

433
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Speaker 1: have happened to Chad Ryland.

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Speaker 3: We know this much. Him practicing punting took away from

435
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Speaker 3: the reps practicing kicking on the sideline. So that's an absolute.

436
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Speaker 3: That's a certainty. What is not a certainty is what

437
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Speaker 3: is the immediate status of Blake Gillikin and where is

438
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Speaker 3: he going forward? I don't know, honestly, don't know. He

439
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: stayed on the sideline the entirety of the game. He

440
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Speaker 3: was still out there to hold on the field goal attempt,

441
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Speaker 3: but beyond that, don't know. Cardinals, are they in the

442
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Speaker 3: market for another punter? Is Chad Ryland gonna pull double

443
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Speaker 3: duty this week against New England? Stay tuned on that one.

444
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Speaker 1: Something to keep an eye on. And also you've got

445
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Speaker 1: Matt Prater who remains on IR and all of a sudden,

446
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Speaker 1: when kickers start missing kicks consistently, you're wondering, all right,

447
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Speaker 1: what's the hell status of Matt Prater?

448
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Speaker 3: Now?

449
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Speaker 1: I know it was reported by ESPN a week or

450
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Speaker 1: two ago that he underwent knee surgery, So that's something

451
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, whether he's even available, if

452
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Speaker 1: he's healthy and to kick again this season.

453
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Speaker 3: A little bit I know is that I would not

454
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Speaker 3: be surprised if Matt Prater is back by the end

455
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Speaker 3: of this season, so I think things are going well.

456
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Speaker 3: And there was a few points seased down on the sideline.

457
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Speaker 3: By the way, he was actually helping out, pulling kicks

458
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Speaker 3: out of the net and helping feed Aaron Brewer and

459
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Speaker 3: Chad Ryland. I mean, it was a group effort down

460
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: there among the specialists.

461
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised considering how close you are to the specialist

462
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Speaker 1: that they just asked you, Hey, Paul, we need you

463
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Speaker 1: to snap hold, do whatever, get another football out there.

464
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Speaker 3: Which game was it? It was on the road, was

465
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Speaker 3: in Miami. I had a close call. So last year

466
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Speaker 3: I got run into by Rondel Moore, and thank goodness

467
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: he's a sports car with really good breaks, otherwise there's

468
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Speaker 3: still be pieces of me all over the sideline. For

469
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Speaker 3: the first time ever, when you go by the net,

470
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Speaker 3: you have to be It's like crossing a crowded street,

471
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: a busy street. You got to look both ways. Okay,

472
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Speaker 3: if you're anywhere near the net and so, because you

473
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: can cross in front of the net, but if they're

474
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: blasting kicks into it, okay, you got to gauge out

475
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: that net is going. So anyways, I'm walking through. I

476
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: was really crowded in the Miami sideline and Patrick the

477
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Speaker 3: big security guy who's like trying to look around an

478
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman. I look around him, I see Gillikin, and

479
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 3: Gillikin's not punting. Okay, I'm clear. I walk across the net.

480
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Speaker 3: What I didn't realize is to his left and blocked

481
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Speaker 3: by the big security guy is Chad Ryling kicking into

482
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Speaker 3: the net. So he blasts one as I walk through,

483
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Speaker 3: it rockets through and knocks off my headphones.

484
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Speaker 1: That was a close call. Yeah, we need to make

485
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Speaker 1: sure Paul remains safe on the sidelines. And Patrick Foster

486
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Speaker 1: had a security Can we make sure that there Maybe

487
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: maybe Paul needs his own security detail down on the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness, I did not need concussion protocol because that's

489
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Speaker 3: where I was headed. If I would have taken that

490
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Speaker 3: one square to the temple.

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Speaker 1: Thirty to eighteen the final, the Cardinals lose the Seahawks.

492
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Speaker 1: We've teased it enough. How about what we do here?

493
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Speaker 1: Part of that conversation that Paul you had with Sean

494
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: Murphy bunting postgame, and the first question was an obvious one.

495
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Speaker 1: What happened?

496
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Speaker 4: I think They just outplayed us today on all levels, offense, defense,

497
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Speaker 4: special teams. And I mean they made turnovers, they they

498
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Speaker 4: they made plays. I'm on offense, they had the explosive

499
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 4: run and so you know, they they made more plays

500
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: than we did today and and and that's that's why

501
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Speaker 4: they won.

502
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Speaker 3: I know, your you know, your job description is mainly

503
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: you know, passed. But if you're playing corner for Jonathan Gannon,

504
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: you know everyone has to fit the run. Did it

505
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: change it all minus Kenneth Walker? Was it a bit

506
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Speaker 3: of a different scheme perhaps with Zach Charbonday?

507
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Speaker 4: Uh No, I don't think so. You know, I think

508
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: we knew kind of what they were gonna do. You know,

509
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 4: we played these guys before obviously, and there's a few

510
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 4: wrinkles that you know, every team adds in. So they

511
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 4: had a few wrinkles at that caught us. But you know,

512
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, he came in and

513
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: did his job as well running back. And so just

514
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Speaker 4: as a defense, we have to be better and stopping

515
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Speaker 4: the run and getting the ball back to our offense

516
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Speaker 4: creating turnovers when.

517
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Speaker 3: They do have the run game at their disposal. What

518
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Speaker 3: does that do for Gino Smith and those receivers, some

519
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: talented guys in that receiver room.

520
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it opens it opens it up for them a

521
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: little bit. You know, it makes us adjust a little

522
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Speaker 4: differently so that we can stop the run and it

523
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: opens up that passing game a little bit. And so yeah,

524
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Speaker 4: that's just you know, we got to do a better

525
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: job of, like I said, playing complete team defense, whether

526
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Speaker 4: that's you know, stopping the pass, stopping to run, doing

527
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: everything that we can and get off the field and

528
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: crucial situations.

529
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Speaker 3: You know, Cardinals had coach Cannon always talks about the

530
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Speaker 3: double positive right explosives and the ball. And with those

531
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Speaker 3: interceptions in the first quarter, can that take a toll

532
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Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball, just emotionally.

533
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's the NFL, you know, So things don't

534
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 4: go off perfect every single game. And I think we

535
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Speaker 4: know that going into games, especially as as a defender

536
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Speaker 4: and as a cornerback. You know, we know that things

537
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: aren't always going to go our way. So whatever happens happens,

538
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: and we just got to play, you know, where the

539
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 4: ball's place on the field, and we got to play

540
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: to the best our ability whatever situation that we're in

541
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Speaker 4: back against the wall. So whatever happens and whatever goes

542
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: on out there, we just got to stay together and

543
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: continue to play, you know, as a team and as

544
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Speaker 4: a unit already.

545
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Speaker 3: Do you think this team was to play in today's

546
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Speaker 3: game in the physicality? What'd you think?

547
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Speaker 4: I thought we were ready, man. I thought we prepared

548
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: all week for the opportunity, and I think everybody was ready,

549
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: you know. I think everybody had the mindset of going

550
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: out there and winning and dominating. And like I said,

551
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Speaker 4: it doesn't always go away. Things happen in the game,

552
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: and it's just how you adjust and how you bounce back.

553
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: And they got a couple of plays on us, and

554
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: we couldn't get those back.

555
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: So you've won a super Bowl? Is there is there

556
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: a lesson learned here these last three games, especially coming

557
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: out of the by for some of the younger guys.

558
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of first and second year

559
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: guys on this roster.

560
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Speaker 4: I think it's understanding that, you know, after the bye,

561
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Speaker 4: there's usually a drop or relax and teams, and those

562
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 4: teams usually are the ones that don't make the playoffs.

563
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Speaker 4: So I think our whole thing was really just being

564
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 4: able to stay so locked in and so keen and

565
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: knowing that this is really when the season starts. You know,

566
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 4: this is really when the playoff hunt goes. It's November December,

567
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: and it's playoff football, and every single game matters, every

568
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: single play matter. So you got to be locked in,

569
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: the doubt in and focused as much as you can

570
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: so that you can get a win because they're they're

571
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: very crucial.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, Paul, the Cardinals find themselves in

573
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Speaker 1: the position that they are in. They are tied for

574
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Speaker 1: third place with the forty nine Ers, though they win

575
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Speaker 1: the head to head battle, So the forty nine ers

576
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Speaker 1: are in last place in the division, but they are

577
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: looking up at now against both the Rams and Seahawks.

578
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Speaker 1: But we talked about it at the top here on

579
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, that the Cardinals lose that season series tiebreakers,

580
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: so you're essentially three games back with four games to play.

581
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: So you are in a position where, yeah, you had

582
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: better win out and helped the Seahawks lose. How about

583
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: this week to the Packers or the falling week to

584
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Speaker 1: the Vikings, And then they play at the Bears and

585
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: at the Rams to close out twenty twenty four, and.

586
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Speaker 3: We can look at the rest of the Division, and yeah,

587
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: you're scoreboard watching now, there's no doubt about it. But

588
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: the Cardinals have to figure out what has gone wrong

589
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: since the bye. You heard Sean Murphy Bunting talk about

590
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: it right there, and you know, young guys paraphrasing what

591
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: he said, have to realize that there are two sorts

592
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: of teams coming out of the by, those that realize

593
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: the season starts now and those who maybe never get

594
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: out of the bye week blues. Right, they are a

595
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: little bit lax coming out of the by. And who

596
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: knows if that has anything to do with anything with

597
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: the Cardinals. We just know they were on a roll. Now.

598
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: They came out of the by and guess what, they

599
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: played two of the hottest teams in the league, two

600
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: of the best defenses in the league right now in

601
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: the last two months in Seattle and Minnesota, two of

602
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: the toughest defenses to read if you're a quarterback. So

603
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: when you're looking at the five interceptions in the last

604
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: three games, the cause and effect to me is more

605
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: against the defenses and the defensive schemes you've been facing

606
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: than anything that has to do with the buye Now,

607
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: James Conner did tell Danny Surrekins sideline exchange this last week,

608
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: they're coming out of the bye. Yeah, maybe there was

609
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: a you know, they're a little slow. They didn't swing

610
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: first in the lost ats Seattle, and you know that

611
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna be a problem in this game. We're coming

612
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: out and we're coming from for blood from the get go,

613
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Speaker 3: and they did. They took the seven to nothing lead

614
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: right away. So to me, I don't think the buy

615
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: has anything to do with where the Cardinals are in

616
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: the current three game losing streak, more against us to

617
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: do with the opposition. And ultimately, you know, now can

618
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: the Cardinals make the corrections and get back to the

619
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: level of play they showed before the buy.

620
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Speaker 1: It was a conversation we had on Cardinal Talk. I

621
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Speaker 1: asked Rob Frederickson, because it's easy to point to the

622
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Speaker 1: bye week as the turning point in the season. Winners

623
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Speaker 1: of four in a row going into the bye week. Now,

624
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've dropped three in a row

625
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: coming out of the bye week. So yeah, whether or

626
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: not you believe a momentum something happened and you point

627
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Speaker 1: to the bye week. And Rob mentioned that, Okay, maybe

628
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Speaker 1: for that first game coming out of the bye week

629
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Speaker 1: in Seattle. Okay, I could buy that, but not the

630
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Speaker 1: second game, not the third game. Now, this is something,

631
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Speaker 1: to your point, Paul, something that's deeper as far as

632
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: what's happened offensively, what's happened defensively. You're getting now into December.

633
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: It becomes much more difficult to win these games. You

634
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: are a young team. Guys aren't used to playing this

635
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: many games, especially if you count preseason games. And then

636
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Speaker 1: in the case of Seattle, I know it's a first

637
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: year head coach, but this is a team that is

638
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: figuring out their roster and might have found something late

639
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: in the season that they kind of had a little

640
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: bit of a low mid season. Now the Cardinals, and

641
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to borrow one of your favorite phrases, Paul,

642
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: you adjust to the adjustment, and Ken, Jonathan Gannon and

643
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: this coaching staff figure out a way to get this

644
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: team to adjust to what other teams have done to

645
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: them to prevent them from getting into the win column.

646
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: Here after fourteen weeks, for.

647
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Speaker 3: Example, to your point, next Gen stats say that Kyler

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Speaker 3: just averaged his second fewest air yards per attempt in

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Speaker 3: a game this season. Everybody, now, the too high shell

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Speaker 3: coverage the two high safeties and you're trying to keep

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Speaker 3: everything underneath, forcing the Cardinals to go ten, twelve, fifteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty plays to the end zone, and you kind of

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Speaker 3: the fact you're going to get an unforced air or

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Speaker 3: recent case, forced air with some of the interceptions. So

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Speaker 3: when you see that Kyler attempted according to next Gen Stats,

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Speaker 3: nine down field passes, that's it. And he went four

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Speaker 3: to nine for eighty yards one touchdown in the two

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Speaker 3: picks on passes over ten air yards. That is an

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Speaker 3: adjustment that teams have made. So we can sit here

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Speaker 3: and we can blame the bye and maybe teams aren't

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Speaker 3: as focused or as locked in. That's that's I'm not

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Speaker 3: putting any credence into that. It was a seven to

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Speaker 3: three game mid third quarter at Seattle in Week twelve,

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Speaker 3: and his sixty nine yard pick six change the game.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals are right in the game in Minnesota, and in

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Speaker 3: that fourth quarter two picks an intentional grounding that really

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Speaker 3: ended up being the difference. And then in the first

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Speaker 3: quarter week fourteen, two picks ended up being the difference.

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Speaker 3: Vikings converted, and that's both sides of the ball. That's

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Speaker 3: not rallying and playing quick change defense and be able

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Speaker 3: to snuff out and stymy an offense with good field positions.

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Speaker 3: So it's not just on the quarterback, but I think

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Speaker 3: those are the big plays. And we all realize, especially

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Speaker 3: two good teams against each other, it's gonna come down

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Speaker 3: to a handful of plays. And that's what decides games

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: More plays made by the Seahawks, thin we're made by

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and that's why we're here thirty to eighteen,

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Speaker 1: the final on Sunday in the Cardinals six and seven.

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Speaker 1: How about we close the show on a bit of

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Speaker 1: a positive note here, Paul, because the Angry Bird Award winner,

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Speaker 1: I think there is one deserving player in a game

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Speaker 1: in which not much was done right offensively, defensively or

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Speaker 1: special teams, but there was I think we're on the

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Speaker 1: same page, one individual who was around the football darn

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Speaker 1: near every single snap by the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When you see the Pro Football Focus rankings, the grades

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Speaker 3: and kai and Buddha Baker is miles ahead of everybody

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Speaker 3: else out in that field. For the Cardinals got an

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Speaker 3: eighty seven point two rating when you look at the

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Speaker 3: box score, and he has eighteen tackles in the game.

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Speaker 3: I hate to be captain obvious with the Angry Bird

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Speaker 3: Award given to the most hillacious player or play made

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Speaker 3: in every game. And I try and go a little

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Speaker 3: bit deeper into the depth chart, but it's undeniable. It's

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Speaker 3: Budda Baker eighteen tackles, a career high. From what we

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Speaker 3: can tell, that's tied for second most in a game

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Speaker 3: this year in the NFL, the all time record if

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Speaker 3: we're seeing a right twenty four in a game held

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Speaker 3: by a couple of guys including Luke Keikley, could have

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Speaker 3: been one of those cardinal playoff games for all we know.

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Speaker 3: That's how dominant he was in one of those playoff

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Speaker 3: games at Carolina. I was right there watching him. He

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Speaker 3: was wrecking the game back in the playoffs, whatever year.

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Speaker 3: That was so Buddha Baker and honestly, Craig just from

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Speaker 3: a personal standpoint, I've been doing this long enough that

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Speaker 3: I was an intern and was on the sideline and

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Speaker 3: watch Jerry Rice go against Darryl Green, my second job

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Speaker 3: in this business. I was twenty three, twenty four years

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Speaker 3: old and on the sideline watching Barry Sanders. Had the

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Speaker 3: pleasure of watching Larry Fitzgerald in that playoff run. What

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker's doing this year to me, rates defensively on

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Speaker 3: par with all those other names that I've had the

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Speaker 3: pleasure to witness upfront. He is having a remarkable season

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Speaker 3: and to have eighteen tackles in a single game, the

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Speaker 3: way they're deploying him, just his instincts, the knowledge, the

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Speaker 3: football iq, the athleticism. There was one play in the

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Speaker 3: third quarter where he was sort of banged up and

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Speaker 3: he shook it off and oh boy, everyone held the breath.

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Speaker 3: Is three okay, And then the next play he made

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Speaker 3: a tackle for loss. It's that kind of warrior mentality

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Speaker 3: and that kind of inability by the offense to stop

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker this year. That's remarkable. They are throwing so

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Speaker 3: much at him and they can't stop him. He keeps

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Speaker 3: getting better, he keeps getting more productive. So we're this time,

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Speaker 3: we're going to throw the angry Bird award his way.

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Speaker 1: Eight of those eighteen tackles solo tackles, twice as many

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Speaker 1: as the next player, Kaiser White had four. So and

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Speaker 1: I know we've talked about this as far as how

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Speaker 1: they're utilizing Buddha and maybe giving him a little bit

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Speaker 1: more freedom, although no one will confirm that, especially not

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Speaker 1: number three. Maybe at the end of the season, provided

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Speaker 1: knock on wood that the Arizona Cardinals resign Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 1: congratulations with James Conner. He got his contract extension, Buddha

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Speaker 1: needs his Now that's the next probably step here for

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Speaker 1: GM on the Austin Ford. But can we get Buddha

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Speaker 1: to admit what we all think is happening here this

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Speaker 1: season for him within this defense as far as yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not freelancing, but I'm doing a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than what I was doing in year one. Within this defense.

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Speaker 3: He's not Troy Polamalo, it's not to that degree. But

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Speaker 3: he plays a different brand of safety. He's not the

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Speaker 3: roving center field safety just trying to get into the

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Speaker 3: passing lanes. No, he's all over the front and you

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Speaker 3: see him in a whole bunch of different ways, and

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Speaker 3: you do you see him as a deep safety as well.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I would love to know how much freedom

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Speaker 3: he has. He deflects, he defers, he winks, he says,

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Speaker 3: you know, he gives you a non sequitur and walks

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Speaker 3: away smiling. You know, he won't answer the question. So

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Speaker 3: I know at the end of this season, Okay, what

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Speaker 3: was what was he allowed to do? And to what

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Speaker 3: degree was it his assignment from play to play. Now

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Speaker 3: there's going to be parameters within the scheme and he's

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Speaker 3: gonna have his gaps that he has to be responsible for.

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Speaker 3: I get it, but I would love to know just

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Speaker 3: how much they are empowering him to have a career year.

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Speaker 1: And because he's a colleague of ours. Now, even though

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Speaker 1: you might have I didn't, but you might have covered

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Speaker 1: Rob Frederickson the perhaps only time you can have Rob

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Speaker 1: Frederickson and Buddha Baker in the same sentence. According to

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Speaker 1: League Notes, the eighteen tackles tied for the most in

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Speaker 1: a game by any Cardinals players since at least nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four, and they single out Rob Frederickson in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine at the New York Jets.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing. And by the way, I did cover

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Speaker 3: Rob Frederickson. And one of the years I covered him,

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Speaker 3: not only with the Cardinals, was ninety five, right before

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Speaker 3: I came to Arizona, when he was with the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: They had just returned to Oakland. Okay, and I still remember,

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Speaker 3: and I tell him this story that Oakland team started

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Speaker 3: aid to too, lost their last six. The bottom fell out.

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Speaker 3: This season plummeted. They were a surefire playoff team until

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Speaker 3: they weren't. In the very last game, they mailed it in.

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Speaker 3: It was a dismal locker room and there were three

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Speaker 3: guys in the locker room. One guy I can't remember,

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Speaker 3: the other was Tim Brown. And the third guy who

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Speaker 3: had the moxie to meet the media and had the

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Speaker 3: integrity and accountability to meet the media was Rob Frederickson.

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Speaker 3: It was Fredrickson, Tim Brown, and a rando guy I

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Speaker 3: don't remember, So, yeah, props to Rob, and yeah, what

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Speaker 3: was remember he was a first round pick of the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was a he was a really good

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Speaker 3: player during his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and fortunate enough that he is still a part

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals radio network as well. And I

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Speaker 1: believe he is scheduled to be on the Red Sea

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Speaker 1: Reports on Tuesday, so we can give him, we can

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Speaker 1: give a hard time as well on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, don't relay the props and the flowers. Please

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Speaker 3: do not share.

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Speaker 4: That with him.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll put a lid on This

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Speaker 1: edition Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals has always special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim mamahndre our associate producer Cody Fincher from Paul Calvic,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two