Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
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Speaker 1: It is Season four, Episode twelve, Resolve, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: tongue baby, Let's talk about you so much? Episode Lord
Speaker 1: loved it. A lot of tongue kissing and a lot
Speaker 1: of like food on mouse stuff. Sloppy, sloppy episode, and
Speaker 1: we have a good friend before to help us get
Speaker 1: through it. Ladies and gentlemen, our friend Elizabeth Arno is
Speaker 1: our guest host with us this week. Everybody, Hi excited
Speaker 1: to be here today, hanging with you girls, oh my God,
Speaker 1: and listening are clean tea at the colleens meeting. So
Speaker 1: what the hell happened this episode? Okay, kids, let's let's
Speaker 1: go through our stats before we really dig in. This
Speaker 1: episode originally aired January four, two thousand seven. I have
Speaker 1: no idea if in the winter of that year, people
Speaker 1: were having food fights, but we're sure we're on our show.
Speaker 1: The synopsis as written, which you know is sort of
Speaker 1: accurate but might need a little work, is with Senior
Speaker 1: probably weeks away. Hayley's frustration over her injuries and her
Speaker 1: you know, growing pregnancy and the hormones coursing through her body,
Speaker 1: or are really overwhelming for her skills in mouth hatch
Speaker 1: a plan to help Nathan earn money for the big
Speaker 1: Dance by stripping. Brooke betrays Rachel in order to get
Speaker 1: closer to a new guy I mean, or is she
Speaker 1: just sticking with the clean teen's alibi betrayal. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a betrayal, but whoever wrote this felt
Speaker 1: that way, and Peyton and Lucas resolved to be happy
Speaker 1: and to be Baker's struggling with her drug addiction to
Speaker 1: be big, struggling with her drug addiction. Dev makes a choice.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very dark choice, um the beautiful way.
Speaker 1: Kelly directed this episode. It was written by Michelle Fertney Goodman,
Speaker 1: who I don't believe was with us uh for very long.
Speaker 1: I wish we had known what the sort of board
Speaker 1: told her to do for this episode. That would be interesting. Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: what's the last time you watch this? Yesterday? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: not to prep for this. You're like, actually, I watched
Speaker 1: every d No, I know, I know that's what you meant. Um,
Speaker 1: it's been probably a couple of years. Yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I always have cousins who, you know, they
Speaker 1: love the show, and when I see them, they're like,
Speaker 1: let's watch an Oh that's true. Yeah, it's very sweet.
Speaker 1: It's very sweet. So sometimes I watch it with them.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I haven't seen it. Yeah in a while. We
Speaker 1: were just at that convention in Wilmington's and yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like a good number of people wearing Clean Team, I know,
Speaker 1: the Cargan's, the sweet little babies. Yeah. I don't even
Speaker 1: know where to start with this. I don't either, But
Speaker 1: what I am going to say is, like, in general,
Speaker 1: the Clean teen storyline, because we've got our we've got
Speaker 1: our stats here, because our producers are great, and this
Speaker 1: was six episodes in season four, But when you think
Speaker 1: about the impact of the Clean teen storyline, you know,
Speaker 1: and Hillary's shared a little bit about where that came
Speaker 1: from from her own high school experience, and you know,
Speaker 1: what worked and what didn't in terms of what the
Speaker 1: writers did with it. But to think that all these
Speaker 1: years later, you know, just based on six episodes, it's
Speaker 1: still it's like an iconic moment in our show's history
Speaker 1: and your show. Yeah, and I'm grateful that, like when
Speaker 1: I got to, you know, being on the show, that
Speaker 1: I had one of those moments. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 1: it is. It's fun when it's something that comes back
Speaker 1: around well from from a mostly good experience. Yeah, memory
Speaker 1: that you don't mind visiting. I love that. We talked
Speaker 1: about it last week too. I feel like you literally
Speaker 1: walk into the show with the face of an angel,
Speaker 1: like you you just like cherubic beauty, and it there
Speaker 1: was something where I was like, yeah, I'll do whatever
Speaker 1: she tells me. Yes, totally, Like I had the feelings
Speaker 1: I think from Davis felt then watching this this uh,
Speaker 1: watching this storyline kick off, that's your magic, Like you
Speaker 1: look like a good influence. And then and then I
Speaker 1: am for the most part, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: was that girl a little bit and growing up because
Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic and um, I you know was
Speaker 1: later bloomer. I mean, you know ish like I wasn't
Speaker 1: like I'm one of those fifteen year old having sex.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, it was a later bloomer.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the ethos of no sex before marriage,
Speaker 1: but I was raised to think that way, so taking
Speaker 1: this role with kind of interesting. I think my mom
Speaker 1: loved it until she realized where it was going. Because
Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly just be a clean teen and you
Speaker 1: had to hide hide a dark secret. Yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: but of course that made her so much more interesting,
Speaker 1: I guess um. But yeah, I was watching it too,
Speaker 1: and I felt like, wow, I did have a very young,
Speaker 1: terrific face back then. Please. All of a sudden, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I ever looked like that. It's insane.
Speaker 1: You do no, no, no no, I'm talking like I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize myself for a second. It's weird. I
Speaker 1: don't know I had. Maybe it's just because I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't watch myself a lot. I'm not, I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't watch myself a lot. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like all of our voices
Speaker 1: are different, like every because I found the same we're
Speaker 1: talking salty broads now. No, it's you know, like sometimes
Speaker 1: in this episode where Payton's having to be all happy
Speaker 1: and dorky, and I like, I don't know that kid.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, who's that? We all have such higher
Speaker 1: pitched voices, and our mannerisms are kind of like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, green, and we're just babies. It's crazy that
Speaker 1: anyone thought of us as anything other than like children. Yeah, precisely.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about getting this phone call to
Speaker 1: come on the show? Baby? Um? I remember my origin
Speaker 1: story is um? Yes, Um, you know it was actually you,
Speaker 1: two lovely ladies, you and Daniel. I had worked with
Speaker 1: you each separately on two different films, and um, I
Speaker 1: know that you had sort of you know, passed the
Speaker 1: idea along to to our producer, to our boss, and
Speaker 1: he seemed open to it. So I was. I felt
Speaker 1: very lucky. It wasn't like I had to audition. It
Speaker 1: was like they found thing for me to do, and
Speaker 1: that was lovely. Um, and you gave me like the
Speaker 1: the sort of like first you know, new kid in
Speaker 1: school rundown of things. Some of that involved a little warnings,
Speaker 1: you know, a few warnings, if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And um, and so I went into it very excited,
Speaker 1: fell feeling incredibly lucky to get to work with such
Speaker 1: a great cast and young talent, but also a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous, you know, um, wanting to be accepted, but
Speaker 1: also not knowing what my boss was going to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, and um, the first like a few days
Speaker 1: were good if I'm talking about like the like my
Speaker 1: literal first you know, getting the call, it was I
Speaker 1: was excited getting there. I was excited. Um. Then I
Speaker 1: had to have a dinner with my boss, and um
Speaker 1: it ended with him in a appropriately um asking to
Speaker 1: come up to my where he was putting me up,
Speaker 1: and I felt this weird, um, just to like have
Speaker 1: some tea and talk more because we were having quote
Speaker 1: unquote good conversation about the character. So UM, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like, Okay, I don't know, I felt very
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say, so I was just
Speaker 1: like sure, you know, I felt very uncomfortable. It was
Speaker 1: literally my first week, like the first few days, and
Speaker 1: so that kind of and then he ended up like
Speaker 1: uninvited massaging my feet. Oh yeah, so that was my like, Um,
Speaker 1: that's where I like became even cool closer, if not
Speaker 1: that I could have been, but even closer just with
Speaker 1: the group of you guys, because it was like it
Speaker 1: just made me understand so much more and also like
Speaker 1: it didn't take away my joy of like being there.
Speaker 1: And I also knew I was a guest star, like
Speaker 1: a recurring guest start. I knew that I had a
Speaker 1: limited amount of time that if anything else did awkward
Speaker 1: did happen, and I didn't have to be there forever
Speaker 1: dealing with that. But um, that was also a part
Speaker 1: of it, unfortunately, was that introduction and it came swift
Speaker 1: and quick, and then I was like, that's not happening,
Speaker 1: and I sent him out the door, and um, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't as gross with me after that because I
Speaker 1: kind of was like very like yeah, But everything else
Speaker 1: around it was just a fabulous experience. Everything else about
Speaker 1: it was really really fun for me because I got
Speaker 1: to be with wonderful women, wonderful strong women who were
Speaker 1: you know, kind of going through the same things and
Speaker 1: you know, well you always had really strong, big sister
Speaker 1: energy for me. Like when we met we were doing
Speaker 1: a movie. For that movie called Solstice, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a New Orleans food scary move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Liz like literally on day two is like we're friends.
Speaker 1: Now come with me and I was like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: I love this. Sorry, tell me what to do. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was great, you know. And so having someone
Speaker 1: because I always had to be kind of the rough
Speaker 1: and tumble one or like the ed like the you know,
Speaker 1: grumpy one. UM. I loved whenever you were around because
Speaker 1: you were like, baby, sit down, I've got this. And
Speaker 1: so having you come into this tornado and be like,
Speaker 1: calm down, girls, I'm gonna say how this is done?
Speaker 1: No foot runs. It was no, but it was good
Speaker 1: to have somebody come in and validate, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: everything that you guys have been saying is right. If
Speaker 1: I'm being totally fair. I thought what you were saying
Speaker 1: was like I was like, there's no way it's there's
Speaker 1: no way it's as bad as that, if I'm being
Speaker 1: totally honest. And that's back in the culture of women
Speaker 1: not being believed. I didn't believe a fellow women that
Speaker 1: it could be as bad as it was being described
Speaker 1: to me, which is the craziest part of it, you know,
Speaker 1: even though they were friends. But what I think makes
Speaker 1: sense about that is that when you hear it and
Speaker 1: someone is telling you a story about how overt it is,
Speaker 1: how consistent. It is, how out in the open it is.
Speaker 1: It's I don't even think it's that you go as
Speaker 1: far as thinking you must be exaggerating. I think what
Speaker 1: what we want to believe is it can't be that
Speaker 1: bad because someone would do something. Someone in the room
Speaker 1: would do something that's exactly what it was. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's gross, but like maybe because he was really
Speaker 1: inappropriate with you. Now everything feels inappropriate, even when maybe
Speaker 1: to an outsider it doesn't look like it because if
Speaker 1: it looked inappropriate, someone would do something. And it's such
Speaker 1: a rude awakening as a woman when you realize that
Speaker 1: that is simply not true, and especially in industry, when
Speaker 1: you are part of a machine that makes a product
Speaker 1: and you're being mistreated could potentially damage the value of
Speaker 1: the product, and you realize that your humanity is less
Speaker 1: valuable than an hour of television, the product to every
Speaker 1: adult in the room, and you go, oh, we're alone here,
Speaker 1: and that is like, that's that's a growing up that
Speaker 1: nobody you know, nobody asks for and nobody wants. But
Speaker 1: you know, Hillary and I have talked about this so much.
Speaker 1: My experiences on another show, people were like it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been that bad, and I'm like, oh, but it was.
Speaker 1: There must be a misunderstanding. It's not a misunderstanding, it's
Speaker 1: that everyone is so afraid. Yeah, exactly like what you said.
Speaker 1: Nobody on the outside of a situation wants to believe
Speaker 1: that something would be allowed to go that far without
Speaker 1: internet intervention and it just isn't really what it is.
Speaker 1: And as a female, I'm I'm sure that's where I
Speaker 1: came from. Was maybe they're sensitive about this because you know,
Speaker 1: if it was really that bad, that someone would intervene,
Speaker 1: and one of the adults would, oh my god, there
Speaker 1: is no one to intervene. And he is the one
Speaker 1: that you would go to if someone were doing this
Speaker 1: to you, except he's the one doing it, So what
Speaker 1: do I do? You know, it feels so validating to
Speaker 1: have you there, though, because you have been working since
Speaker 1: you were like in diapers, and so for all of us,
Speaker 1: this was really like our first big job. But we
Speaker 1: didn't know any other reality. No, you like, we grew
Speaker 1: up watching you in Alice in Wonderland. What was that
Speaker 1: Disney Journal? Yeah, gosh, really I didn't know, as you
Speaker 1: did listen, I watched Alice, remember that conversation. I for
Speaker 1: sure watched Alice because there was what the dude in
Speaker 1: the rollerblades? Was that the mad Hatter and the rollerblades
Speaker 1: or it was the white Rabbit. He was always late, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could not be wearing real shoes. Always had to
Speaker 1: be skating. The rollerblades were the jam. They were hot, guys.
Speaker 1: I still have a pair of rollerblades in my garage them,
Speaker 1: but I have them. I can't bear to let them go.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I've been on them since junior.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should. It seems like we've got
Speaker 1: brittle bones. Now, we're not bouncing. You're not gumby anymore. No,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that. Okay, So you stayed
Speaker 1: like a couple blocks from my house. I remember all
Speaker 1: of us having a party at my house. Was it
Speaker 1: a hurricane when you came over? So it must have
Speaker 1: been a hurricane party. I've got some pictures of us,
Speaker 1: like with face paint and weird hats and like we
Speaker 1: were we went full Like what is that book about
Speaker 1: the kids who were left on the Lord of the Fly?
Speaker 1: I haven't picture of some feel licking Danielle's face. Just
Speaker 1: should we really should absolutely would love to see those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, what did he was her face
Speaker 1: part of a tequila shot? It might have been. I
Speaker 1: was down, but it felt safe to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the bubble. Everybody come camp out over here, like
Speaker 1: we're going to hide out as a unit. And so
Speaker 1: whatever fantasy R boss might have had about like, oh,
Speaker 1: all the hot chicks are getting together and like this
Speaker 1: is just going to be like a chick buffet, it
Speaker 1: backfired quickly because it was like everybody he was there. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: Now we're strength and numbers and we're gonna circle the
Speaker 1: wagons and hide out. Um. Yeah, and we're covered in
Speaker 1: war paint, so watch out, watch out. Um. Had you worked,
Speaker 1: you'd worked with Daniel on Tennis Hero where her and
Speaker 1: Jensen got together, which was awesome, so funny, and then
Speaker 1: the summer that you guys worked together was the summer
Speaker 1: that I worked with Stephen Colletti on a movie in
Speaker 1: Rhode Island that Sophia was supposed to be the star of.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that movie Normal Behavior? Yeah? I remember
Speaker 1: that movie. Yeah. So, like the summer you were supposed
Speaker 1: to start in that movie you ended up doing something
Speaker 1: different when you're doing Hitcher or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I just remember it was like we almost got
Speaker 1: the dates to work, but there was like one week
Speaker 1: that couldn't that like couldn't be jiggered to fit, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't get to go, and I was bombed,
Speaker 1: Like can you imagine if we'd been up, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that would have been so fun. They would have been
Speaker 1: so fun. Instead, the girls who were the leads in
Speaker 1: that movie weren't like super into me. They were like,
Speaker 1: don't talk to us, we're having an actor meeting right now.
Speaker 1: And I was just like okay. So I ended up
Speaker 1: just like oh, and you're not an actor, You're like
Speaker 1: I thought, that's what I was doing here, That's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm good at background. Uh. So I would just hang
Speaker 1: out on my trailer steps and this like cute little
Speaker 1: boy kept coming around and he would just like it
Speaker 1: was so outgoing and like, hey, are you lonely? Do
Speaker 1: you want to hang out? And it was Stephen Colletti,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh you little puppy. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: And then I go back to my hotel room and
Speaker 1: call you and you give me all the gossip on
Speaker 1: Danielle Jensen hooking up and was that the one too? Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: this is like the weren't hiding it. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a big it wasn't a gospel moment per se, but
Speaker 1: I guess it was that at that time in public
Speaker 1: about it, at least within their circles of friends, they
Speaker 1: were so but yeah, yeah, it's it's not money. And
Speaker 1: look at them now and look at this. This episode
Speaker 1: is a perfect storm of all those things that summer. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is okay, So how does the episode start? What
Speaker 1: we normally do, Liz, is we just like run through
Speaker 1: this and talk about what we hated and what we loved.
Speaker 1: What did you hate? What did you love? Um, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say I hated anything I mean, because
Speaker 1: that's I'm not in the in it that much. So
Speaker 1: if I'm going to hate them, it's got to be me, right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you hate other people's stuff, Hilary, I know something you hated. Listen,
Speaker 1: Sophie and I were talking about this while we watched.
Speaker 1: They're so good at writing trauma talk for Peyton and Lucas,
Speaker 1: like we can cry together like Chris. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to talking about being happy, like it was some
Speaker 1: of the most stunted dialogue. Okay, there and now I
Speaker 1: can see what you mean. Yeah, it was so bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, definitely not how teenagers talk. It's definitely not
Speaker 1: how grown ups who are happy talk. It was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just be happy. Peyton's like I thought you'd never
Speaker 1: ask you only have cookies. Cookies are sexy? We were,
Speaker 1: I mean truly I did. I did really feel kind
Speaker 1: of dumbfounded watching it because we've spent years pining for
Speaker 1: this relationship. You want Lucas and Peyton to be together
Speaker 1: so badly. They're together a good point, and then like,
Speaker 1: these are two people who have had these beautiful, deep
Speaker 1: talks who love to be together. That great episode, Um,
Speaker 1: remember Hill when it was Brooks birthday and you guys
Speaker 1: sit outside the mall in the comment that dialogue between
Speaker 1: you guys was romantic and it was sweet and it
Speaker 1: was funny and light and like, oh my god, it
Speaker 1: was like a breath of fresh air. And then we're
Speaker 1: finally getting what we want and it's like, you want
Speaker 1: a cookie? I like cookies, cookies very happy. It was
Speaker 1: so weird. I was like, are we in Sesame Street?
Speaker 1: Like where did our friends go It didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to really explain it because I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: it in real time since we've just watched the episode.
Speaker 1: But I felt like, suddenly I don't know these two anymore,
Speaker 1: Like we don't know each other. There's no inside jokes,
Speaker 1: there's no it did it did? It Absolutely felt that way.
Speaker 1: It wasn't familiar at all, And it makes no sense
Speaker 1: because we've seen you together for years. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want more of what as a viewer I have
Speaker 1: fallen in love with for this couple. And then I
Speaker 1: don't know. We were in food fights and I was like,
Speaker 1: you've got cookie, don't getting eaten off your shoulder? And
Speaker 1: Stephen Colletti's rubbing lips, rubbing ice cream around on my face.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on here? No interaction? Is
Speaker 1: it hot? Like that's not hot. Don't rub food on
Speaker 1: young women and think that that's like sexy. Time pass.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be nicky. I don't want raw
Speaker 1: egg on me. Listen besides what feels sexy or not
Speaker 1: like my the mood was killed for me. When I
Speaker 1: saw how messy your kitchen was, I was like, they're
Speaker 1: going to make out there. There's just like there's raw
Speaker 1: eggs breeding salmonilla all over the walls. Now that's all
Speaker 1: I can Maybe that's the mark of adulthood, but that's
Speaker 1: what made me feel the most stressed. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, Like Peyton is going to have
Speaker 1: to clean that up. That's not fun, oh man cass um.
Speaker 1: But I loved the boys stripping. That makes me feel like, like, uh,
Speaker 1: I've got double standards because if it were girls stripping,
Speaker 1: I'd be all mad about it. But some about those
Speaker 1: boys going for it was adorable. But also the difference
Speaker 1: with the boys. If it were girls, it would be
Speaker 1: like sexy and gyrating and gross, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: they're in high school. The boys were purposefully silly. They're
Speaker 1: allowed to look like boys, not men. They were funny
Speaker 1: and comical, and their rhythm was off that it was
Speaker 1: much more innocent. It really didn't feel like a strip
Speaker 1: strip act. It was much more innocent. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: very very comedic. Yeah, and I loved Peyton going to
Speaker 1: get Haley and saying like, no, you gotta come, and
Speaker 1: Haley got out of her sadness for a minute. Nathan
Speaker 1: kind of overcomes his his embarrassment, even you finding you
Speaker 1: know the track for them, so it's the right rhythm
Speaker 1: and he'll be able to dance to it, because you
Speaker 1: can't dance that one to beat Man. Uh. We did
Speaker 1: a cheerleading dance to that song in high school, like
Speaker 1: I did. As that we're listening to it, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: myself really wanting to do like these motions with my
Speaker 1: arms because I have a sense memory of like, no,
Speaker 1: this is how my body is supposed to move to this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the muscle memory from the from the music, Liz,
Speaker 1: were you also a cheerleader? They always wanted me to
Speaker 1: be a cheerleader, and like all my friends who were
Speaker 1: in cheerleading wanted me to be a cheerleader, and I
Speaker 1: never could because I just never was in school long enough,
Speaker 1: like to where I felt I felt like I would
Speaker 1: be a very bad commit because I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to be committed in the way that I should. Like
Speaker 1: they wanted a lot of time from you, and I
Speaker 1: just couldn't do it with doing you know, film and
Speaker 1: TV and all that. So you were now like you'd
Speaker 1: leave and go to a project and have to do
Speaker 1: you know, school and like a little school trailer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly my tutor. Um yeah, so all the way
Speaker 1: until the end of high school. And but yeah, they
Speaker 1: asked me a lot because I had quite a few
Speaker 1: friends who are cheerleaders and I always wanted to be.
Speaker 1: You've done so many jobs like playing a high schooler,
Speaker 1: like into your thirties, Liz, and shut up? Is it weird?
Speaker 1: Like is it weird having not just like honkered down
Speaker 1: and done high school to have like had to portray
Speaker 1: it on TV? Or do you find that it's easier
Speaker 1: just to kind of look at it from a distance.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, um, my personality, I never knew
Speaker 1: myself as not having this other thing in my life,
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember who I was before I had
Speaker 1: this other thing in my life, this acting thing in
Speaker 1: my life, you know. Um. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't want to. I didn't want high school.
Speaker 1: I didn't want the full experience. I enjoyed that I
Speaker 1: what I had, which was this sort of best of
Speaker 1: both worlds my Handah Montana, Yes you're the real life
Speaker 1: Handam Montiva. Oh my good. But that I did because
Speaker 1: I had a supportive school who didn't give me a
Speaker 1: hard time, had supportive teachers. Um, so I could leave
Speaker 1: and you know, still graduate with honors and do all
Speaker 1: the things I did. Absolutely stop for college. That was
Speaker 1: something I always knew I was going to do, so
Speaker 1: really I wasn't going to do it for high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was hard too, because nobody wanted me to go
Speaker 1: to college. Yeah like the money, Yeah a kid. You
Speaker 1: had fun in college? Though? Where did you go to school?
Speaker 1: The best time in my life? Wesleyan University in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: so beautiful, was gorgeous. It was the best. Like I
Speaker 1: I will never regret that decision. I don't care how
Speaker 1: many jobs I know I lost. I will never regret
Speaker 1: that decision. That's amazing for your life. Like I know
Speaker 1: that it's weird because our jobs are to portray lives
Speaker 1: on screen. But your your job is not who you are.
Speaker 1: It's like such a small piece of what you do.
Speaker 1: And I think that can be very confusing, you know,
Speaker 1: especially if you do a show for like as long
Speaker 1: as we all did, people really think that that's your
Speaker 1: life and it's just your job. And I think it's
Speaker 1: so important, especially I would imagine for you, having been
Speaker 1: such a successful working actor from such a young age,
Speaker 1: having you know, for us again like we started really
Speaker 1: at twenty one, Like for you to have a break
Speaker 1: in your life where you just got to be yourself
Speaker 1: was probably I would not be okay today if it
Speaker 1: weren't for that time, to be honest, like because I've
Speaker 1: had When you do start that young, you absolutely have
Speaker 1: those later in life crises of conscience, like wait, I
Speaker 1: didn't necessary I mean, yes, I loved what I was doing,
Speaker 1: but I didn't choose it for myself like my parents.
Speaker 1: My parents saw something in me and they get allowed
Speaker 1: me to do some things. They saw that I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: but I never said, hey, this is what I want
Speaker 1: to do with my whole life. You know. I think
Speaker 1: they treated it as like a hobby that really snowballed
Speaker 1: into a career. So I absolutely had those points in
Speaker 1: my life where I was like this, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that this is what I want to do forever.
Speaker 1: I always knew I wanted to be a part of
Speaker 1: it in some capacity, but I didn't know if it
Speaker 1: was what I wanted forever. And college was really really
Speaker 1: into integral and sort of helping me see that I
Speaker 1: did want to continue to do it. At least for
Speaker 1: years after. So did you study film in school? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I studied. I was at a film major. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: have a great, great and plugging my school, great film
Speaker 1: program at Wesleyan undergrad film program, it's like one of
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, Well you don't have to go to
Speaker 1: graduate film school. You can get a good undergrad film education. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my first experience working with you is
Speaker 1: like you understood the camera in a way that like
Speaker 1: no one had haunt me, you know. And you understood
Speaker 1: like the breakdown of the script and like why like
Speaker 1: putting things in certain order, and you just understood the
Speaker 1: technicality of things in a way that I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: you should be a director, you should be a producer,
Speaker 1: you know. And so in this episode, Moira got to
Speaker 1: direct us, and she's someone who started working at a
Speaker 1: young age, you know, and being a woman in this industry,
Speaker 1: it's so backwards. It doesn't matter like how long you've
Speaker 1: been doing this. If you want to make the jump
Speaker 1: from acting to directing. They gave you so much for it.
Speaker 1: It's a very hard transition to make. It very hard
Speaker 1: transition to make. Yeah, boys do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but if you're a girl baby jumped through the hoops. Um,
Speaker 1: actually I shadowed for like, you know, the entire time
Speaker 1: I was on c SID and we and they ended
Speaker 1: up finishing the show, even though they said the following season.
Speaker 1: If we did another season, I would be directing finally
Speaker 1: for four years shadowing. Um, and I didn't even need
Speaker 1: to shadow for that long to be ready to do it.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: make it happen. It's really hard to make it happen.
Speaker 1: What would you have directed different in this episode? Put
Speaker 1: on put on your directing hat. I would have made
Speaker 1: those scenes with you and Chad feel I would have
Speaker 1: made them work on the dialogue or something, because the
Speaker 1: it really did feel kind of stilted that that sort
Speaker 1: of what exactly what Sophia was saying, Um, you know
Speaker 1: you're missing this this thing that we've been pining for
Speaker 1: for on the show for so long. And I want
Speaker 1: the I want the Rachel Rachel and um what's his name? No,
Speaker 1: I want Ross and Rachel moment. I want that kind
Speaker 1: of feeling anytime you guys are back together, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: So for me and also when you asked me, abut
Speaker 1: high would direct things. Like most of it for me
Speaker 1: is performance stuff. That's not to say you guys didn't
Speaker 1: give a good performance. You were working with dialogue that
Speaker 1: you had. I feel real green in episodes like this,
Speaker 1: or it's like, oh, I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do that yet. But well,
Speaker 1: you know who had good chemistry. You know who didn't
Speaker 1: need any help is the people on their first date
Speaker 1: Jason Brooke all of a sudden sparks. These two don't
Speaker 1: know each other. They're dialogues, very nostalgic and adorable. It's
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, I think, um, Stephen gosh, he was
Speaker 1: so nervous when he came in. And I will say,
Speaker 1: I really I love that he confided that in me,
Speaker 1: like in those in that early couple of scenes in
Speaker 1: the school. Because now I know him and we worked
Speaker 1: together for so long. I can see his nerves. I
Speaker 1: can see like the tightness in his chest, like he's
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, I have to say the things
Speaker 1: and there's the camera and he's doing great. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't mean it as a criticism. It just reads
Speaker 1: like a boy nervous on a date. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It worked so well, and and his his nerves, I
Speaker 1: think really work for Chase. And after those school days, um,
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm just really nervous. I've you know,
Speaker 1: I've never done anything like this before. And so I
Speaker 1: was like I was trying to think of a way
Speaker 1: to help him get out of his head. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were in North Carolina and I'm me and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to take you on an adventure.
Speaker 1: And I took Stephen to lunch and then I took
Speaker 1: him to the shooting range. He'd never shot a gun before,
Speaker 1: and I was like, come on, we're gonna, like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna teach you how to do something. Yeah. But like interestingly,
Speaker 1: I think because you know, like my dad grew up
Speaker 1: spending summers on a farm, so that was the thing
Speaker 1: that I learned as a little kid. And and I
Speaker 1: grew up being a camp counselor and um, and did
Speaker 1: so much training in that sort of vertical that when
Speaker 1: we really like started to get to it, I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember twenty five minutes ago we got here and you
Speaker 1: were nervous, and now you're really in your body and
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to how your breath affects this thing
Speaker 1: that you're doing and like this is actually just kind
Speaker 1: of science. And he was like yeah, And it's sweet
Speaker 1: because when I went back when I did that fundraiser
Speaker 1: thing for him and James Show, he told the story
Speaker 1: on that on that live and I was like, oh, Bun,
Speaker 1: you remember it the same way I do. I love that.
Speaker 1: Um but like it really we we basically used it
Speaker 1: as like an exercise to remember how to be in
Speaker 1: your body when you're doing something that raises your adrenaline.
Speaker 1: And then that next week we shot this all these
Speaker 1: scenes where we went on this date and like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I can see the sort of night and
Speaker 1: day um like nerves to comfort in in our on
Speaker 1: screen relationship, and and that was like, that was very sweet.
Speaker 1: It was the first time I've ever felt like kind
Speaker 1: of the grown up on set babies. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I know something I can help you,
Speaker 1: you know, And and that was like that was kind
Speaker 1: of a cool, um a cool experience to have very
Speaker 1: cool thing you did for him. That really gets a
Speaker 1: very cool thing that you did. Yeah. I just like
Speaker 1: I wasn't really accustomed to other people, let alone boys,
Speaker 1: in our work environment being vulnerable and saying I'm really
Speaker 1: scared and I need some help, and and that honesty
Speaker 1: just made me want to do that. I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: because you know, you were like, I'm going to take
Speaker 1: the best care of you now. Like I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: vulnerability was like a little baby, I will take you
Speaker 1: under my wing. Yeah. It was just like it was
Speaker 1: very sweet, and he was always he was always like
Speaker 1: a sweet pal and I appreciated that. I didn't like
Speaker 1: being told that I had to like eat in a
Speaker 1: way that I would get ice cream all over my
Speaker 1: face so he could like wipe it off my lip.
Speaker 1: I just didn't like it. I just thought it looked weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Brooke Davis ever gonna let
Speaker 1: get on her face that cute little jacket, in cute
Speaker 1: little renaissance jacket, I'm gonna make a mess. No, not
Speaker 1: in velvetsands. We all used remember the mac lip glass
Speaker 1: that was like the stickiest on the planet. The wind
Speaker 1: blow and the leaves would be stuff to your paper
Speaker 1: on your mouth. We all learned to eat wearing mac
Speaker 1: lip glass. There is no way that Brook Davis would
Speaker 1: have ice cream on her face. We were trained so
Speaker 1: here's here's something I want to food for thought. Chase's
Speaker 1: character is based on a real dude that I knew
Speaker 1: in high school. Is he Yes. So there was a
Speaker 1: mega church in our town and all the different high
Speaker 1: schools kind of fed into that. And there was a
Speaker 1: dude that went to a rival high school but hung
Speaker 1: out with all the megachurch girls at my high school.
Speaker 1: And he was so hot and we were all like,
Speaker 1: how is he hanging out with all of these girls
Speaker 1: that are like a lot. And he would come to
Speaker 1: our football games and he always wore a blue stocking cap,
Speaker 1: and so we didn't know his name. We just called
Speaker 1: him code Blue, like code blue, code blue, and he
Speaker 1: was he looked just like Colletti. And so when I
Speaker 1: wanted to cast like a boy clean teen, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we actually had one of those, and surprise, surprise, he
Speaker 1: was mega hot. He like wasn't a weirdo. Everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to date him. He looked like Stephen Colletti and Mark
Speaker 1: was like, great, we'll just cast that guy. Your friends
Speaker 1: with him cool. And I have tried so hard to
Speaker 1: look up the original Code Blue and can't find him anywhere.
Speaker 1: But in my heart of hearts. I want him to
Speaker 1: be like a total weirdo now as a grown up,
Speaker 1: like it would just make me feel better because he
Speaker 1: had no interest. But my trouble, my trouble with the
Speaker 1: storyline is the boy clean teen is portrayed in such
Speaker 1: a sympathetic se see light, I was gonna and you
Speaker 1: are having to manage the crazy Elizabeth like on paper
Speaker 1: Shelley's like in that case, yeah, yeah, I have. From
Speaker 1: the beginning of the character, I tried my best to
Speaker 1: tone down the way that she was sort of just
Speaker 1: mean and just mean as opposed to someone who had
Speaker 1: a belief system that she felt strongly about. But she
Speaker 1: was like a harping person about it as opposed to
Speaker 1: just being you know, an interesting new layer of character
Speaker 1: in the show. And so I always tried to play
Speaker 1: her a little with an under tone of sympathy sympathy
Speaker 1: even before I knew where the story was going, just
Speaker 1: because I couldn't. It just didn't feel real to me,
Speaker 1: especially also because having related to being that person who
Speaker 1: felt as you know, as a teenager, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna. I didn't do drugs at all, Like I
Speaker 1: was a good kid as a result of being raised
Speaker 1: a certain way, and so I kind of related to
Speaker 1: her in that way, and I wanted her to be
Speaker 1: more like what I was is than what was on
Speaker 1: the page so much, you know. Um. But yeah, even
Speaker 1: in this episode, like just the way she's like just
Speaker 1: that whole exchange between her and Daniel, or her and Rachel,
Speaker 1: or she's humiliating her for you know, going out and
Speaker 1: getting crazy. I don't know. I just I hated myself
Speaker 1: in that scene, So I guess I'm supposed to hate her.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I felt the same way at
Speaker 1: the end when it's like, oh, it's he's he's so
Speaker 1: adorable that he's a clean teen and she's just this
Speaker 1: annoying girl. Yeah, she's a lesing is, but she's just
Speaker 1: this mean sort of judge e human and he's got
Speaker 1: and he has, you know, a point of view and
Speaker 1: a reason for being who he is, and you know
Speaker 1: it's just his reason is that a woman broke his heart,
Speaker 1: a girl broke his heart, didn't want well, I just
Speaker 1: mean the way he is written, in the way he
Speaker 1: plays it, is that he's much more you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: or what was encouraged to play it sort of like
Speaker 1: this nice you know, we like this version of a
Speaker 1: clean team. We don't like my version of a clean
Speaker 1: steaper because you have the same backstory. Shelley's back story
Speaker 1: is that a guy you know slept with her and
Speaker 1: then blew her off, ghosted her, and so she was
Speaker 1: heartbroken and decided to like do this, you know, renew,
Speaker 1: I had a pregnancy an abortion, so I had a
Speaker 1: lot more reasons actually to have a strong reaction to
Speaker 1: go into clean teamdom. But again it was always portrayed
Speaker 1: very But that's the thing we talked about this when
Speaker 1: when you're when you reveal with me, you know, with
Speaker 1: Shelley and Brook happens and it it's like so obviously
Speaker 1: beating the dead horse of the Madonna complex that it's like,
Speaker 1: were we gonna wat this is interesting? Like she's either
Speaker 1: a terrible woman who has made terrible decisions and she's
Speaker 1: all who can't keep her legs closed, or she's a
Speaker 1: prude and because she's a prude, she's miserable and shrilled
Speaker 1: to be around. And it's like, oh my god, exactly,
Speaker 1: why can't people we can't just be people? And to
Speaker 1: your point, their stories are virtually the same, and on
Speaker 1: one person it's portrayed as sexy, romantic and desirable, and
Speaker 1: on the other it's like, oh, we can't stand to
Speaker 1: be around this person. And and I think it's really
Speaker 1: interesting to hear your perspective on how it made you feel,
Speaker 1: you know, as the person and the performer, having to
Speaker 1: do that scene with the Rachel character, because that's how
Speaker 1: I felt for so much of this show. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: why does Brooke have to treat people like this? Why?
Speaker 1: And then you know, I also loved her so much
Speaker 1: of the time and thought she was, you know, funny
Speaker 1: and fun and I loved to play her. But when
Speaker 1: she would be like cruelly judgmental, it felt more like
Speaker 1: a caricature of what these grown up men thought girls
Speaker 1: like a girl. Yeah, how mean and judge and it's
Speaker 1: like or or maybe all the other stuff we do
Speaker 1: is cooler. The other stuff we do is what makes
Speaker 1: people relate to this person. And Yeah, It's interesting, isn't
Speaker 1: it that when you feel something that it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: feel authentic, it feels put on that kind of um,
Speaker 1: that kind of intense like judge, shrillness. M M. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe you just needed like a cool zip up
Speaker 1: hootie and like some pouty lips. You just needed some
Speaker 1: calculus help. Yeah, I just I need some help with
Speaker 1: my homework. Um, let's before we get into the best
Speaker 1: part of the show, um, the dance. Uh, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Karen deb Dan of it all, because watching
Speaker 1: as a grow own up that's their storyline, just continues
Speaker 1: to be so much louder for me that now that
Speaker 1: we're watching this as grown ups. Um, the depth, it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's really intense. We're just casually having
Speaker 1: an attempted suicide on the show. Yeah, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. It's very like, Um, we're going
Speaker 1: to have this man sit down and say the most
Speaker 1: hurtful thing in the most hurtful way he could say
Speaker 1: it to this person who's already struggling, And then we're
Speaker 1: going to casually have her dump some pills and then
Speaker 1: we're going to casually have him just say it's over
Speaker 1: and then move on and go on a date. You know,
Speaker 1: he drive him away in the in the in the ambulance,
Speaker 1: and then it's over. Like well, also her son, Like
Speaker 1: we've talked about this in you know, the last couple
Speaker 1: episodes list. Uh, Nathan keeps saying I want to die,
Speaker 1: I should have died. You know, he has attempted suicide
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and it's never treated like that,
Speaker 1: like we're not calling it suicide attempts and there almost
Speaker 1: feels like there should be a trigger or just like
Speaker 1: a trauma. Yeah. Um, And now to have his mother
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, Like, I can't imagine how stressful
Speaker 1: that is to watch if you're in the midst of
Speaker 1: going through that as a viewer, um, because it is
Speaker 1: being treated pretty casually. I've had people in my life
Speaker 1: killed themselves and I'm watching this, like, what what are
Speaker 1: we talking about here? She just takes a fistful of
Speaker 1: pills and nothing. It doesn't even ring a bell in town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see what's going to happen in
Speaker 1: the next episode in terms of how we deal with it, um,
Speaker 1: because if we fail to talk about it, that's really
Speaker 1: going to be a a deeply intense letdown. And given
Speaker 1: the way that sometimes we do what's really good in
Speaker 1: terms of these converse stations and sometimes we really blow it,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I don't either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a doozy what do you think about Karen having
Speaker 1: dinner with Dan and being all cozy with Dan? Could
Speaker 1: you have dinner with your worst ex boyfriend ever? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I think it's um, I think it's like one of
Speaker 1: these TV show moments where they have to, you know,
Speaker 1: bring certain characters back together or like just to have story.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely not, but um, you know, she's a
Speaker 1: really nice person for giving human I guess beyonded what's
Speaker 1: normal or logical. Well, and he has slowly been kind
Speaker 1: of working his way back in, and there's the story
Speaker 1: of it all. But then, just as a viewer, like
Speaker 1: the chemistry between those two is undeniable, Like the Paul
Speaker 1: and Moira chemistry is so good, and so if if
Speaker 1: I kind of remove the story and I just watched them,
Speaker 1: I can't get enough of them. And then I think
Speaker 1: about their story and I'm like, this is going to
Speaker 1: be so bad. This is so bad. I mean thinking
Speaker 1: about over the years, she's already thrown a chair through
Speaker 1: his office window. They've run against each other for may or,
Speaker 1: They've been in all these like altercations. Publicly, he skimmed
Speaker 1: out on child support ever for her for his child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot to stomach. It's a lot, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I get it. It is you
Speaker 1: know sometimes on a TV show it's like, well, what's
Speaker 1: the worst thing we could think of? I found it.
Speaker 1: They found it, and listen, I'm sure the fans loved
Speaker 1: it in somewhere or another, like or they were really
Speaker 1: and want you want you want um holds if someone
Speaker 1: writes it and it's like, hey, I need you guys
Speaker 1: to know that was my favorite storyline. I should care
Speaker 1: to Dan so hard. Okay, if you feel that way,
Speaker 1: can you please right in so we can tell Liz,
Speaker 1: because I bet there's like two there's two or three
Speaker 1: out there, you sickos. Well, then it'll be easy for
Speaker 1: you to reach the world. We'll frame them in our office.
Speaker 1: Is like, here's the piece of evidence. It's so hard.
Speaker 1: They really do show Dan and like this supportive light
Speaker 1: while he's saying all the stuff that he said to
Speaker 1: deb you right, Liz, like like I settled for you.
Speaker 1: Karen's the love of my life. The night before our wedding,
Speaker 1: I went and sat outside her house. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, it just sort of um
Speaker 1: rang to that same idea that you guys were talking about,
Speaker 1: or at least it in my mind, it called to
Speaker 1: that sort of like unnecessary cruelty of heart him saying
Speaker 1: it that way, you know what, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I did you just watch it in your skin crawls
Speaker 1: And maybe that's what they were going for, but it
Speaker 1: felt like like a torture porn moment. Torture. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a verbal punch, yeah, because you know that, you
Speaker 1: know this woman is about just then just going to
Speaker 1: go and trying to hurt herself. Well, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: too to see because Dan is a narcissist, to see
Speaker 1: the swing and how awful he can be to people.
Speaker 1: And currently he's in this moment where he is being
Speaker 1: the kindest we've seen him with Karen and he's he's
Speaker 1: helping her in the morning and Deb flips out, and
Speaker 1: the turn from when he's in that the back of
Speaker 1: the cafe with Karen to pouring water on Deb's face.
Speaker 1: You're just like, Oh, he's in there, he's in there,
Speaker 1: He's in there, and and it it actually, it strikes
Speaker 1: me in this moment. I don't know that we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, but so much of what's true of men,
Speaker 1: you know, narcissists controlling men in relationships is it's the
Speaker 1: new relationship where they say, you make me want to
Speaker 1: be different. You're the reason I'm going to change. You've
Speaker 1: shown me what I'm capable of. For you, I want
Speaker 1: to be fill in the blank. It's like making my
Speaker 1: stomach turn. And he's in that phase with Karen. This
Speaker 1: is going to be my redemption. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: get what I always really wanted. But he's just as
Speaker 1: vile and awful as he's ever been with Debb because
Speaker 1: she's old news to him. Yeah, but god, how good
Speaker 1: was that moment with Karen and Dan having that dinner
Speaker 1: and she says, you know, Lucas said the most upsetting
Speaker 1: thing to me today. And Moira did such a beautiful
Speaker 1: job with that scene because it's quiet, it's a quiet
Speaker 1: share and there's something about how low and slow it
Speaker 1: is that makes it so much more ominous than if
Speaker 1: she were confrontational, upset, freaking out like it's showing any
Speaker 1: like like like she knows something. Anything else would have
Speaker 1: not have a woman showing emotion. How unlikable goodness, but
Speaker 1: like there really, there really is something chilling about the
Speaker 1: way she expresses the discomfort because it's the beginning. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like the seed is cracking open and he
Speaker 1: knows what's coming. Give me chills. Did you know you
Speaker 1: were going to hook up with Mouth? Let's let's just
Speaker 1: get to some funtion this episode. I was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I needed an UM. Did you know that
Speaker 1: you and Lee were going to be hooking up on
Speaker 1: the show or is that something that like spawned later? Um?
Speaker 1: You mean when I first was asked to be part
Speaker 1: of it, I didn't know that I was going to
Speaker 1: be paired with Mouth. Um, but I could sort of
Speaker 1: see it. I could see it as a something that
Speaker 1: would make sense in terms of UM bringing us both
Speaker 1: to a different place, and you know a big thing
Speaker 1: for him, you know, in terms of he has been
Speaker 1: a virgin, right, so when we're doing the whole, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it is a breakfast clubby episode, um,
Speaker 1: and you know when I end up in like leather
Speaker 1: pants with my top off holding my breasts and it
Speaker 1: happened really fast. Like, but I think it made sense
Speaker 1: that if she was going to start to open herself
Speaker 1: back up to any kind sexuality, that he was the
Speaker 1: right person for that because I think she probably was
Speaker 1: burned by a lot of situations before. And you know,
Speaker 1: he was very He's a very sweet comes across as
Speaker 1: a very sweet individual from the beginning. It makes sense
Speaker 1: to me, and I really like that it happened. I
Speaker 1: really loved working with Lee, like Lee's he's my favorite
Speaker 1: people so well. He represents like a safety Like I
Speaker 1: was definitely a super virgin in high school and it
Speaker 1: wasn't until I got older and was like a late bloomer,
Speaker 1: and you know, I lost my virginity to someone who
Speaker 1: was older. But I was like, God, I wish I
Speaker 1: would have lost my virginity in high school to someone
Speaker 1: who it was a big deal to, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was a big deal to Mouth. He probably made
Speaker 1: Shelley feel really special, Yeah, very special. Yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that stuff that is yet to come for
Speaker 1: what you guys are going to go over, um is
Speaker 1: really sweet. Yeah. Well, and a nice thing to to
Speaker 1: to be clear in a storyline like that that healthy
Speaker 1: relationships are very healing for people, m hm, you know,
Speaker 1: and and what a better person to do that with,
Speaker 1: you know than Mouth, Like to your point, such a
Speaker 1: such a good character who's really been you know, going
Speaker 1: through his paces to identify what he believes in, what
Speaker 1: kind of guy he wants to be, and yeah, where
Speaker 1: his insecurities come from. But but how he wants to
Speaker 1: work around those things and um, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: Yeah again As a viewer, I loved watching you guys
Speaker 1: together so much. Also, Lee got buff this year. Yeah
Speaker 1: he did. By the way, let's talk about the boys
Speaker 1: dancing and everything, Like close up is on Lee. It's
Speaker 1: all Lee and his hips and his moves. His moves
Speaker 1: are great, They're so great, cut, stomach going. He's the
Speaker 1: dancer of all of us. Really, honestly. No, that was
Speaker 1: so fun and it kind of holds true to like
Speaker 1: an authentic high high school experience where it's like you've
Speaker 1: known the same people your whole life, you've gone to
Speaker 1: school forever. The girls mature faster than the boys. The
Speaker 1: boys are like pretty scrawny and awkward, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like junior senior year, there's like shoulders
Speaker 1: and an adam's apple and like and abs and you're
Speaker 1: that guy that you never looked at, never like, Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe you are everything I ever wanted interesting Tell me more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mouth has that energy where it's like a sneak attack
Speaker 1: Senior year. The senior sneak attack is a hit. I
Speaker 1: love that senior year sneak attack. You couldn't put it better.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. I landed the hot mel Yeah you sure did,
Speaker 1: all right, So so Lafferty wins m v P this
Speaker 1: episode Lafferty Friendship. Um, and I'm like, is this acting
Speaker 1: or is this real? I was going to ask you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys, I just need ye all to know. When
Speaker 1: we were watching this episode and they're in the locker
Speaker 1: room and Lee, you know, hits play on the mouth,
Speaker 1: hits play on the music, and and him and Skills
Speaker 1: are like, oh no, Like James was only slightly playing
Speaker 1: up his aortness and like like our sweet friend will
Speaker 1: will take you out. We'll go play pool with you.
Speaker 1: But he's not the guy who dances. Like we'd all dance.
Speaker 1: We'd be like, let's put our purses on the floor
Speaker 1: and dance, and Lee would be in the middle, like
Speaker 1: doing a funny thing, and and I mean, what a
Speaker 1: good sport. Like I'm very proud of him because I
Speaker 1: have a man in my life for refuses to dance
Speaker 1: unless he's had way too many drinks. Um, he refuses
Speaker 1: to dance, and when he does dance, it is like
Speaker 1: he's making fun of the way that he dances. So
Speaker 1: he's like playing up how silly it is. And that's
Speaker 1: how that's what that reminded me of. In the most
Speaker 1: loving way. I found it adorable, like so good lapperty
Speaker 1: dancing like that if it was a joke or not,
Speaker 1: because it felt like that on that fine line of
Speaker 1: like maybe this is actually a little bit real. It's
Speaker 1: like the way I think about it, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: James is such an athlete. He's a basketball player, and
Speaker 1: like I went to junior high in high school with
Speaker 1: a girl who had grown up doing ballet and a
Speaker 1: bunch of us were on dance team, and like when
Speaker 1: she would try to do anything to any hip hop song,
Speaker 1: like her body just couldn't move that way. Like she
Speaker 1: was so elegant and long and there was no like
Speaker 1: gyrating for her, and I was I was killing me
Speaker 1: because it's like that's what it felt like watching watching
Speaker 1: Mouth and Nathan. I was like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: like me and my friend used to look like. And
Speaker 1: it's just so good. It's like he's very used to
Speaker 1: like the ups, the vertical the dunking, and then he
Speaker 1: asked away from side to side and he can't do it,
Speaker 1: and it's it's perfect. And then you've got Lee like
Speaker 1: throwing his hips forward in a close up, like coming
Speaker 1: into camera with a pelvis, and you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: That day of filming was so fun because we were
Speaker 1: in a real strip club in Wilmington's were in uh
Speaker 1: pure Gold I want to say, which was over by
Speaker 1: the Bowling Alley. Oh I remember because everybody, by the way,
Speaker 1: we all came, all of us who went in that
Speaker 1: scene came to work that night to watch. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Like remember being in the back by the by video
Speaker 1: village and we were like, it smells like vanilla. It
Speaker 1: smelled so we vanilla like po and van Yeah, like
Speaker 1: they were trying to cover up the smell of it.
Speaker 1: Was like whatever the like, body, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember leaving nervous like at all, And I
Speaker 1: was not nervous. He was ready to shine. Antoine was
Speaker 1: super pumped. Like if he's never been to a strip
Speaker 1: club with Antoine, you have not lived it. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: then I got to get on that in meeting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a party man um, it's his second home. You know,
Speaker 1: He's just like, I love it here, this is great.
Speaker 1: Let me get on stage. And I think he loved
Speaker 1: that skills wasn't in the track suit and like came
Speaker 1: out in his boxers because if you notice, there are
Speaker 1: only every shots of Antoine, shots of Antoine because there
Speaker 1: was not a lot of control in that costume. And
Speaker 1: he's dancing and we're all like Antoine, for real, dude,
Speaker 1: like for real, like lock it up. But you can't
Speaker 1: say anything because you don't want to make your friend
Speaker 1: uncomfortable until after the fact and then you give them
Speaker 1: so much about it. Um, you're like, thanks for limb
Speaker 1: things around. It was art was an art imitating life
Speaker 1: or life imitating art at that point. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I was. That was one of those scenes where
Speaker 1: the lines got blurried. Yeah, and it's more redirecting so
Speaker 1: there's nothing salacious happening. It's like, you know, your big
Speaker 1: sisters there and everything so tame and safe. Um, which
Speaker 1: was good. She was the right person boys, because she
Speaker 1: made it hilarious and sweet. It didn't feel gross and
Speaker 1: that was so nice and I would imagine very nice
Speaker 1: for them. Well and even the choice for Bevan's wardrobe.
Speaker 1: It's like not like a bra, It's like it's like
Speaker 1: this whole like corset thing. It's like very conservative. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: bless God, bless him. It was wonderful. I definitely think
Speaker 1: we do this thing, Liz. We we've started doing this
Speaker 1: season called honorable mention, and like James is for sure
Speaker 1: are honorable men. Yeah, but I feel that I feel
Speaker 1: that I can agree with that. I can agree with that.
Speaker 1: The commitment he showed was very impressive. Thank God, like
Speaker 1: for Joy too to be able to just like laugh
Speaker 1: and have fun because the chemistry between those two, you know,
Speaker 1: she just has this like huge hormonal freak out and
Speaker 1: over like a dress which been there done that hormones
Speaker 1: um kind of a dump storyline for her. I wish
Speaker 1: they gave her like more to do, considering she's been
Speaker 1: hit by a car and she's pregnant in high school.
Speaker 1: There's like real going on. The dress is the thing
Speaker 1: that sends her over the edge. Their chemistry, like when
Speaker 1: she is teasing him about it and has that gold
Speaker 1: thong and tells him she wants a laugh dance, Like
Speaker 1: I turned red. That was so funny. There's nothing better
Speaker 1: than like like seeing your partner in a really humiliating
Speaker 1: situation and watching them just kind of like man up
Speaker 1: through it when they're a good sport. Yeah, the good sport.
Speaker 1: That's what I like. That's it's kind of hot, so funny.
Speaker 1: I have to say, there's one thing that stuck out
Speaker 1: to me in this episode. I know we've done our
Speaker 1: honorable mention. I don't know what to call this. It
Speaker 1: was like the question mark for me where I was like,
Speaker 1: what is happening when you know we're in this moment
Speaker 1: where we're finally getting to see Peyton and Lucas happy.
Speaker 1: The writers haven't figured out how to write it, but
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys know how to act like yours
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. We're like, what the words aren't there,
Speaker 1: but the tongue is guys, these words are terrible. You
Speaker 1: know what this Let's just do this. I but I
Speaker 1: was so confused. Like I liked the gesture of of
Speaker 1: Peyton taking Lucas to see her mom. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the cemetery moment, I was like, okay, we're because what
Speaker 1: we're trying to say is that these things that have
Speaker 1: made her sad because of him, make her happy, and
Speaker 1: then we all were super Liz, Like Hillary and I
Speaker 1: both started like freaking out when then he walked over
Speaker 1: to keiths grave and then they were like smiling. We
Speaker 1: were like, what is this trauma bond? Like why are
Speaker 1: they why did they write it this way? And then
Speaker 1: I went oh, because again you got to do this
Speaker 1: in TV right, Like it's the device to allow the
Speaker 1: flashback to happen for when Lucas has been unconscious and
Speaker 1: you've seen Peyton at the cemetery. It's all leading to
Speaker 1: Jimmy didn't kill Keith. So once the flashback happened, we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, okay, we get it, like we know
Speaker 1: why this is why this had to happen. Um, But man,
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary, I guess I just was wondering, like
Speaker 1: do you remember that day? Did it Did it feel
Speaker 1: weird to you? Was it one of those things where
Speaker 1: you just knew you had to do it, like to
Speaker 1: get the shot, Like what was that? What was filming that?
Speaker 1: Like just saying words on paper like this episode is
Speaker 1: so weird because if you would just let the camera
Speaker 1: roll on. Chad and I we had a good time.
Speaker 1: We had a good rapport, we had good chemistry. We
Speaker 1: could have faked words that were like fun to watch
Speaker 1: because we have to say all this clunky dialogue and
Speaker 1: then it's like we're going to have internal monologues out
Speaker 1: loud at the cemetery. None of it felt cool or
Speaker 1: funny or flirty or and so then we end with like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's just throw some cookies at each other.
Speaker 1: It rething felt device e And as an actor, it
Speaker 1: is not your job to correct every script or to
Speaker 1: fix stuff. Sometimes it's just your job to hit your
Speaker 1: mark and say the dumb words on the paper. And
Speaker 1: so we did it, and we tried to have the
Speaker 1: best time doing it, and there your best. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are people who super love the cookie fight scene. And
Speaker 1: I will say I remember Chad and I just kind
Speaker 1: of hitting a wall shooting the cookie fight scene because
Speaker 1: we'd had to do so much like awkward band like
Speaker 1: weird stuff that when we were hunkered down behind that table,
Speaker 1: we couldn't get up and move because it would have
Speaker 1: messed up continuity. And we were in very similar physical
Speaker 1: positions to the school shooting, and that had been the
Speaker 1: last time he and I were kind of like stuck
Speaker 1: next to each other for an extended period of time
Speaker 1: like that, but this time we got to like have
Speaker 1: fun just like yeah, and just like be kids. And
Speaker 1: so when I'm laughing there, I'm legitimately laughing there, like
Speaker 1: we He made me laugh in that situation because he
Speaker 1: was just like, I have to eat this off your
Speaker 1: shoulder and you're a gross person. Yeah and so and
Speaker 1: so for all of the uncomfortable dialogue throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the episode, like Chad and I really did end
Speaker 1: it on a high note, um making something that was
Speaker 1: you know, stupid, stupid food fight into a little bit
Speaker 1: of fun. We had fun. Yeah, Well, and it makes
Speaker 1: me feel excited to see as they figure out how
Speaker 1: to write for y'all from a place of happiness instead
Speaker 1: of a place of trauma, like what's gonna come? Because again,
Speaker 1: I know we've said this a bunch, but if you
Speaker 1: can make a good scene out of so so questionable dialogue, like,
Speaker 1: imagine what the scene became when the dialogue is great,
Speaker 1: you know, And I want that, like I as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I want the payoff of seeing these two have the
Speaker 1: great moments that don't have to be in the middle
Speaker 1: of a lockdown in a school. Yeah, Like I want
Speaker 1: I want to see the joy. Yeah, just like a
Speaker 1: random Thursday in the kitchen doing something simple, Yeah, making
Speaker 1: salt cookies. All right, we have a listener question. Okay, Sabrina,
Speaker 1: this is kind of a heavy question. Um, Sabrina is
Speaker 1: asking us. Did it seem realistic to you that there
Speaker 1: was no discussion of Haley and Nathan not keeping the baby,
Speaker 1: considering how young they are, everything Nathan and Lucas have
Speaker 1: gone through with the young parents and Nathan's basketball dreams.
Speaker 1: I found it strange that it was assumed they would
Speaker 1: have the baby, no questions asked. Brain is going for it, ma'am.
Speaker 1: It's a great question. Yeah, Liz, you're a little bit
Speaker 1: removed from it. So, like as an outside observer, Like,
Speaker 1: storyline wise, what do you think? I think, UM choices
Speaker 1: are often made to not be too political or um.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's not a story line that they
Speaker 1: were ready to tell. I will share that my character Shelley,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why she goes into clean teens
Speaker 1: is because she's had you know, you learn all this
Speaker 1: stuff later down, but like that she you know, had
Speaker 1: an abortion. The whole thing is like very much that
Speaker 1: I feel really really guilty about it. So that was
Speaker 1: also the way it was treated for my character was
Speaker 1: that like, like I wish I hadn't done it. I'd
Speaker 1: have to rewatch that stuff. But the language around it
Speaker 1: is very you know, sort of regret, regret, regret, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, had Shelly been like, I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: did this my life and I can see my life
Speaker 1: now and yes, it was a difficult decision. Whatever like
Speaker 1: that would never have been handled like that, and I just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think because it's a network show, I think they're
Speaker 1: going to want to show they don't want to necessarily
Speaker 1: show that. Well, what's really interesting to me a lot
Speaker 1: of research has been done about how the portrayal of
Speaker 1: abortion care and reproductive healthcare on television has really damaged
Speaker 1: um the reality of the issue. And there is an
Speaker 1: adage that says, you know, a character who is pregnant
Speaker 1: absolutely not cannot have an abortion. Characters can talk about
Speaker 1: abortions they've had, but you know, they even did an
Speaker 1: analysis about it on Sex in the City, Like Samantha
Speaker 1: talks about having had two abortions, Carrie talks about having
Speaker 1: had an abortion in her twenties. But when Miranda gets
Speaker 1: pregnant and it's going to have an abortion, then she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She just has to have this space. And you know,
Speaker 1: once the character exists, basically, yes, and listen, I think
Speaker 1: everybody's entitled to their opinions and feelings about the issue. Um,
Speaker 1: I think no one is entitled to have their feelings
Speaker 1: weigh in on someone else's health care or life or
Speaker 1: family planning. And where it's a little tricky for me
Speaker 1: is is again. And and you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: this a little bit with you know, Shelley v. Chase.
Speaker 1: This this Madonna horror complex, This this idea that women
Speaker 1: can't make decisions that you can't say, I wanted to
Speaker 1: stay in school, I didn't want to drop have to
Speaker 1: drop out of grad school. I I didn't have a partner,
Speaker 1: I didn't have you know, the economic stability. You know,
Speaker 1: six of women who seek abortion care in America are
Speaker 1: already mother's plural. And but we tell these stories in
Speaker 1: this way that I think are really detrimental and and
Speaker 1: have proven to be pretty harmful. And so you know, again,
Speaker 1: like we love Nathan and Haley, we love Jamie Scott,
Speaker 1: like we we love the story, but I do I
Speaker 1: will say I agree with Sabrina that, um, the timidness,
Speaker 1: you know, the desire to not be quote political, as
Speaker 1: you said, is actually is political. Like we we cartoonify
Speaker 1: the issue. We act like there aren't real questions and
Speaker 1: real struggles. We act like Nathan and Lucas don't come
Speaker 1: from parental trauma and that you know, Lucas doesn't know
Speaker 1: inherently the experience of being a you know, raised in
Speaker 1: a household where your parent is living honor below the
Speaker 1: poverty line. Like we pretend like these issues aren't real
Speaker 1: issues for people and to be fine. And I would
Speaker 1: have loved I would love to see them having that
Speaker 1: conversation because having a conversation is just having a converse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it would have been powerful. We never see
Speaker 1: Whitey have that conversation with Nathan, Like how powerful would
Speaker 1: that have been? Have Whitey be like, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: wish I had kids. I wish, but as someone who's
Speaker 1: looking out for you, because I know you don't have
Speaker 1: parents looking out for you. Has anyone talked to you
Speaker 1: and Haley about this, like, really talked to you about it? Um?
Speaker 1: But yeah, nobody ever brings it up. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's changed much because that the article I was telling
Speaker 1: you about I read an advance of the mid terms,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about like why why can't we have
Speaker 1: you know, very real and serious conversations about the stuff
Speaker 1: and UM and be clear that again, believe what you
Speaker 1: want to believe, but but your beliefs don't get to
Speaker 1: make the laws, and your beliefs should not impede doctors
Speaker 1: from doing their jobs, from keeping people alive. You know,
Speaker 1: I am. There's is great O B. G. N. Natalie
Speaker 1: Crawford who does a lot of UM sort of education
Speaker 1: and activism around these issues on Instagram, and she was
Speaker 1: talking about UM. You know, a woman who she had
Speaker 1: spoken to, who whose water broke at sixteen weeks in
Speaker 1: Texas needed to have a DNC because you know, that's it,
Speaker 1: your water breaks, Like that's not a viable fetus, That
Speaker 1: baby can't be born in a nic like it's not
Speaker 1: going to happen. Heartbreaking for that family. They wanted that baby,
Speaker 1: and the state of Texas wouldn't allow her to get care,
Speaker 1: and so her doctors literally said, we have to wait
Speaker 1: until you're septic. And they waited until she was septic
Speaker 1: to then be able to intervene because you know, then
Speaker 1: per the law, her life was in danger and she
Speaker 1: has yeah, and and basically the septic pregnancy destroyed her
Speaker 1: uterus and she's never going to be able to get pregnant.
Speaker 1: So this woman who lost her baby now will never
Speaker 1: get to be a mom. And like that happened this year.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're doing a good enough job
Speaker 1: in our industry that does have the ability, to Sabrina's point,
Speaker 1: to ask questions and to to give a dose of
Speaker 1: reality to these very human stories, even if they end
Speaker 1: the same way. By the way, again, like you know,
Speaker 1: in the storyline Jamie's Brooks god son, Like I love
Speaker 1: that kid, And I think we do a disservice because
Speaker 1: then we get to situations like the one I just described,
Speaker 1: and people go, well, I didn't know that's what was happening,
Speaker 1: and that's happening every day. So I think the gap
Speaker 1: is still even if we've gotten better, I don't think
Speaker 1: we're closing the gap at the speed that we should
Speaker 1: be two to like have the conversations that we have
Speaker 1: the you know, the power to have. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've never created a TV show, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what the answer is there, all right, Sabrina on our
Speaker 1: TV show We're Handle This Great trust Us. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a deep question. It was a deep question. Shocker.
Speaker 1: I love a deep question. Yeah. Yeah, hey, listen, should
Speaker 1: we spin a wheel for this? We should spin a
Speaker 1: week very complicated episode of O. T. H. Elizabeth. Every
Speaker 1: week we sent and we do most likely to like
Speaker 1: senior superlatives. Oh, Liz read the question who's most likely?
Speaker 1: Who is most likely to open a nightclub? I mean,
Speaker 1: so we have to pick a character and we have
Speaker 1: to pick a real life person amongst this group of
Speaker 1: Deb and Karen open a nightclub like tricks and nightclub. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought, after this little arrangement this week,
Speaker 1: like clearly it's going to be skills and hopefully it's
Speaker 1: it's a nightclub for the ladies. Have you been watching
Speaker 1: that Chippendale show? Oh? I haven't started, said I Like,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't watch any TV, but my husband does.
Speaker 1: While I'm just like puddling around the house and what
Speaker 1: I've seen is engaging. I'm like, tell me more chipping Dale's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting look at like what that
Speaker 1: whole business was. And I could see I could see
Speaker 1: skills being in charge of an empire. I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who who in real life is going to open up
Speaker 1: a nightclub? I mean, Daniel has the distillery, she's got
Speaker 1: the family business beer. That's true. Open me. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be me. I can just not absolutely take myself out
Speaker 1: of the equation. But yeah, I don't know who stays
Speaker 1: out anymore. I feel like all of us when we
Speaker 1: get together, we're like, it's ten o'clack Sophia. Sofia's trying
Speaker 1: to hang out at like a like a German Berlin
Speaker 1: and its club. Absolutely, I'm like taking it all the
Speaker 1: way underground. Yeah, my my husband and I this summer,
Speaker 1: we're like, before work gets really serious again in September,
Speaker 1: let's go on an adventure. And we went to Abisa
Speaker 1: like that was my first time there. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the dream. What are you talking about? I
Speaker 1: can like go and eat the best food, swim in
Speaker 1: the ocean, and then see like six amazing DJs in
Speaker 1: one night. They played for forty five minutes apiece. This
Speaker 1: is like this is sheik. I was very into it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to just move to a
Speaker 1: European island and do this. Hopefully, next episode we deal
Speaker 1: with some of the complications of this one. It is
Speaker 1: season four, episode thirteen. Pictures of you about to get awesome, Liz,
Speaker 1: you're a trooper. Thank you for being with us so
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