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Speaker 1: It is Season four, Episode twelve, Resolve, Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: tongue baby, Let's talk about you so much? Episode Lord

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Speaker 1: loved it. A lot of tongue kissing and a lot

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Speaker 1: through it. Ladies and gentlemen, our friend Elizabeth Arno is

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Speaker 1: our guest host with us this week. Everybody, Hi excited

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Speaker 1: to be here today, hanging with you girls, oh my God,

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Speaker 1: and listening are clean tea at the colleens meeting. So

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Speaker 1: what the hell happened this episode? Okay, kids, let's let's

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Speaker 1: go through our stats before we really dig in. This

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Speaker 1: episode originally aired January four, two thousand seven. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea if in the winter of that year, people

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Speaker 1: were having food fights, but we're sure we're on our show.

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Speaker 1: The synopsis as written, which you know is sort of

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Speaker 1: accurate but might need a little work, is with Senior

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Speaker 1: probably weeks away. Hayley's frustration over her injuries and her

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Speaker 1: Dance by stripping. Brooke betrays Rachel in order to get

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Speaker 1: that way, and Peyton and Lucas resolved to be happy

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Speaker 1: It's it's a very dark choice, um the beautiful way.

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Speaker 1: Kelly directed this episode. It was written by Michelle Fertney Goodman,

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Speaker 1: who I don't believe was with us uh for very long.

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Speaker 1: what's the last time you watch this? Yesterday? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: had fun in college? Though? Where did you go to school?

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00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: The best time in my life? Wesleyan University in Connecticut,

424
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 1: so beautiful, was gorgeous. It was the best. Like I

425
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: I will never regret that decision. I don't care how

426
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: many jobs I know I lost. I will never regret

427
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: that decision. That's amazing for your life. Like I know

428
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: that it's weird because our jobs are to portray lives

429
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: on screen. But your your job is not who you are.

430
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: It's like such a small piece of what you do.

431
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: And I think that can be very confusing, you know,

432
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: especially if you do a show for like as long

433
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: as we all did, people really think that that's your

434
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: life and it's just your job. And I think it's

435
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: so important, especially I would imagine for you, having been

436
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: such a successful working actor from such a young age,

437
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: having you know, for us again like we started really

438
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: at twenty one, Like for you to have a break

439
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: in your life where you just got to be yourself

440
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: was probably I would not be okay today if it

441
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: weren't for that time, to be honest, like because I've

442
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: had When you do start that young, you absolutely have

443
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: those later in life crises of conscience, like wait, I

444
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't necessary I mean, yes, I loved what I was doing,

445
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: but I didn't choose it for myself like my parents.

446
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: My parents saw something in me and they get allowed

447
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: me to do some things. They saw that I enjoyed it,

448
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: but I never said, hey, this is what I want

449
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: to do with my whole life. You know. I think

450
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: they treated it as like a hobby that really snowballed

451
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: into a career. So I absolutely had those points in

452
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: my life where I was like this, you know, I

453
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: don't know that this is what I want to do forever.

454
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: I always knew I wanted to be a part of

455
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: it in some capacity, but I didn't know if it

456
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: was what I wanted forever. And college was really really

457
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: into integral and sort of helping me see that I

458
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: did want to continue to do it. At least for

459
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: years after. So did you study film in school? Yeah,

460
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: I studied. I was at a film major. Yeah. They

461
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: have a great, great and plugging my school, great film

462
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: program at Wesleyan undergrad film program, it's like one of

463
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, Well you don't have to go to

464
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: graduate film school. You can get a good undergrad film education. No.

465
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, my my first experience working with you is

466
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: like you understood the camera in a way that like

467
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: no one had haunt me, you know. And you understood

468
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: like the breakdown of the script and like why like

469
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: putting things in certain order, and you just understood the

470
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: technicality of things in a way that I was like, oh, wow,

471
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: you should be a director, you should be a producer,

472
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: you know. And so in this episode, Moira got to

473
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: direct us, and she's someone who started working at a

474
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: young age, you know, and being a woman in this industry,

475
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: it's so backwards. It doesn't matter like how long you've

476
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: been doing this. If you want to make the jump

477
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: from acting to directing. They gave you so much for it.

478
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: It's a very hard transition to make. It very hard

479
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: transition to make. Yeah, boys do it all the time,

480
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: but if you're a girl baby jumped through the hoops. Um,

481
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: actually I shadowed for like, you know, the entire time

482
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: I was on c SID and we and they ended

483
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: up finishing the show, even though they said the following season.

484
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: If we did another season, I would be directing finally

485
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: for four years shadowing. Um, and I didn't even need

486
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: to shadow for that long to be ready to do it.

487
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's hard. It's hard to

488
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: make it happen. It's really hard to make it happen.

489
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: What would you have directed different in this episode? Put

490
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: on put on your directing hat. I would have made

491
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: those scenes with you and Chad feel I would have

492
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: made them work on the dialogue or something, because the

493
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: it really did feel kind of stilted that that sort

494
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: of what exactly what Sophia was saying, Um, you know

495
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: you're missing this this thing that we've been pining for

496
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: for on the show for so long. And I want

497
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: the I want the Rachel Rachel and um what's his name? No,

498
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I want Ross and Rachel moment. I want that kind

499
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: of feeling anytime you guys are back together, you know. Um,

500
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: So for me and also when you asked me, abut

501
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: high would direct things. Like most of it for me

502
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: is performance stuff. That's not to say you guys didn't

503
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: give a good performance. You were working with dialogue that

504
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: you had. I feel real green in episodes like this,

505
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: or it's like, oh, I don't know how to do that.

506
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do that yet. But well,

507
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: you know who had good chemistry. You know who didn't

508
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: need any help is the people on their first date

509
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Jason Brooke all of a sudden sparks. These two don't

510
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: know each other. They're dialogues, very nostalgic and adorable. It's

511
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, I think, um, Stephen gosh, he was

512
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: so nervous when he came in. And I will say,

513
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: I really I love that he confided that in me,

514
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: like in those in that early couple of scenes in

515
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: the school. Because now I know him and we worked

516
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: together for so long. I can see his nerves. I

517
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: can see like the tightness in his chest, like he's

518
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: just like, oh God, I have to say the things

519
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: and there's the camera and he's doing great. By the way,

520
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean it as a criticism. It just reads

521
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: like a boy nervous on a date. Well, that's the thing.

522
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: It worked so well, and and his his nerves, I

523
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: think really work for Chase. And after those school days, um,

524
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm just really nervous. I've you know,

525
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: I've never done anything like this before. And so I

526
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: was like I was trying to think of a way

527
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: to help him get out of his head. And you know,

528
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: we were in North Carolina and I'm me and I

529
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to take you on an adventure.

530
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: And I took Stephen to lunch and then I took

531
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: him to the shooting range. He'd never shot a gun before,

532
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, come on, we're gonna, like, I'm

533
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna teach you how to do something. Yeah. But like interestingly,

534
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I think because you know, like my dad grew up

535
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: spending summers on a farm, so that was the thing

536
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: that I learned as a little kid. And and I

537
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: grew up being a camp counselor and um, and did

538
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: so much training in that sort of vertical that when

539
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: we really like started to get to it, I was like, hey,

540
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: remember twenty five minutes ago we got here and you

541
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: were nervous, and now you're really in your body and

542
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to how your breath affects this thing

543
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: that you're doing and like this is actually just kind

544
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: of science. And he was like yeah, And it's sweet

545
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: because when I went back when I did that fundraiser

546
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: thing for him and James Show, he told the story

547
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: on that on that live and I was like, oh, Bun,

548
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: you remember it the same way I do. I love that.

549
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: Um but like it really we we basically used it

550
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: as like an exercise to remember how to be in

551
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: your body when you're doing something that raises your adrenaline.

552
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: And then that next week we shot this all these

553
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: scenes where we went on this date and like, I

554
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: feel like I can see the sort of night and

555
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: day um like nerves to comfort in in our on

556
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: screen relationship, and and that was like, that was very sweet.

557
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: It was the first time I've ever felt like kind

558
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: of the grown up on set babies. And I was like,

559
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, I know something I can help you,

560
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, And and that was like that was kind

561
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: of a cool, um a cool experience to have very

562
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: cool thing you did for him. That really gets a

563
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: very cool thing that you did. Yeah. I just like

564
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't really accustomed to other people, let alone boys,

565
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: in our work environment being vulnerable and saying I'm really

566
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: scared and I need some help, and and that honesty

567
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: just made me want to do that. I was like, wow, okay,

568
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: because you know, you were like, I'm going to take

569
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: the best care of you now. Like I was like, okay,

570
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: vulnerability was like a little baby, I will take you

571
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: under my wing. Yeah. It was just like it was

572
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: very sweet, and he was always he was always like

573
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: a sweet pal and I appreciated that. I didn't like

574
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: being told that I had to like eat in a

575
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: way that I would get ice cream all over my

576
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: face so he could like wipe it off my lip.

577
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: I just didn't like it. I just thought it looked weird.

578
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Brooke Davis ever gonna let

579
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: get on her face that cute little jacket, in cute

580
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: little renaissance jacket, I'm gonna make a mess. No, not

581
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: in velvetsands. We all used remember the mac lip glass

582
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: that was like the stickiest on the planet. The wind

583
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: blow and the leaves would be stuff to your paper

584
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: on your mouth. We all learned to eat wearing mac

585
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: lip glass. There is no way that Brook Davis would

586
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: have ice cream on her face. We were trained so

587
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: here's here's something I want to food for thought. Chase's

588
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: character is based on a real dude that I knew

589
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: in high school. Is he Yes. So there was a

590
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: mega church in our town and all the different high

591
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: schools kind of fed into that. And there was a

592
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: dude that went to a rival high school but hung

593
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: out with all the megachurch girls at my high school.

594
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: And he was so hot and we were all like,

595
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: how is he hanging out with all of these girls

596
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: that are like a lot. And he would come to

597
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: our football games and he always wore a blue stocking cap,

598
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: and so we didn't know his name. We just called

599
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: him code Blue, like code blue, code blue, and he

600
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: was he looked just like Colletti. And so when I

601
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: wanted to cast like a boy clean teen, I was like, oh,

602
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: we actually had one of those, and surprise, surprise, he

603
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: was mega hot. He like wasn't a weirdo. Everybody wanted

604
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: to date him. He looked like Stephen Colletti and Mark

605
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: was like, great, we'll just cast that guy. Your friends

606
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: with him cool. And I have tried so hard to

607
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: look up the original Code Blue and can't find him anywhere.

608
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: But in my heart of hearts. I want him to

609
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: be like a total weirdo now as a grown up,

610
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: like it would just make me feel better because he

611
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: had no interest. But my trouble, my trouble with the

612
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: storyline is the boy clean teen is portrayed in such

613
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: a sympathetic se see light, I was gonna and you

614
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: are having to manage the crazy Elizabeth like on paper

615
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Shelley's like in that case, yeah, yeah, I have. From

616
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: the beginning of the character, I tried my best to

617
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: tone down the way that she was sort of just

618
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: mean and just mean as opposed to someone who had

619
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a belief system that she felt strongly about. But she

620
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: was like a harping person about it as opposed to

621
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: just being you know, an interesting new layer of character

622
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: in the show. And so I always tried to play

623
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: her a little with an under tone of sympathy sympathy

624
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: even before I knew where the story was going, just

625
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: because I couldn't. It just didn't feel real to me,

626
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: especially also because having related to being that person who

627
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: felt as you know, as a teenager, you know, I'm

628
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: not gonna. I didn't do drugs at all, Like I

629
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: was a good kid as a result of being raised

630
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: a certain way, and so I kind of related to

631
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: her in that way, and I wanted her to be

632
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: more like what I was is than what was on

633
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the page so much, you know. Um. But yeah, even

634
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: in this episode, like just the way she's like just

635
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: that whole exchange between her and Daniel, or her and Rachel,

636
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: or she's humiliating her for you know, going out and

637
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: getting crazy. I don't know. I just I hated myself

638
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: in that scene, So I guess I'm supposed to hate her.

639
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I felt the same way at

640
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: the end when it's like, oh, it's he's he's so

641
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: adorable that he's a clean teen and she's just this

642
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: annoying girl. Yeah, she's a lesing is, but she's just

643
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: this mean sort of judge e human and he's got

644
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: and he has, you know, a point of view and

645
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: a reason for being who he is, and you know

646
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: it's just his reason is that a woman broke his heart,

647
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a girl broke his heart, didn't want well, I just

648
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: mean the way he is written, in the way he

649
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: plays it, is that he's much more you know, yeah,

650
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: or what was encouraged to play it sort of like

651
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: this nice you know, we like this version of a

652
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: clean team. We don't like my version of a clean

653
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: steaper because you have the same backstory. Shelley's back story

654
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: is that a guy you know slept with her and

655
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: then blew her off, ghosted her, and so she was

656
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: heartbroken and decided to like do this, you know, renew,

657
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: I had a pregnancy an abortion, so I had a

658
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: lot more reasons actually to have a strong reaction to

659
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: go into clean teamdom. But again it was always portrayed

660
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: very But that's the thing we talked about this when

661
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: when you're when you reveal with me, you know, with

662
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Shelley and Brook happens and it it's like so obviously

663
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: beating the dead horse of the Madonna complex that it's like,

664
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: were we gonna wat this is interesting? Like she's either

665
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: a terrible woman who has made terrible decisions and she's

666
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: all who can't keep her legs closed, or she's a

667
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: prude and because she's a prude, she's miserable and shrilled

668
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: to be around. And it's like, oh my god, exactly,

669
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: why can't people we can't just be people? And to

670
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: your point, their stories are virtually the same, and on

671
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: one person it's portrayed as sexy, romantic and desirable, and

672
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: on the other it's like, oh, we can't stand to

673
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: be around this person. And and I think it's really

674
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: interesting to hear your perspective on how it made you feel,

675
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, as the person and the performer, having to

676
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: do that scene with the Rachel character, because that's how

677
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: I felt for so much of this show. I'd be like,

678
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: why does Brooke have to treat people like this? Why?

679
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: And then you know, I also loved her so much

680
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: of the time and thought she was, you know, funny

681
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and fun and I loved to play her. But when

682
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: she would be like cruelly judgmental, it felt more like

683
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: a caricature of what these grown up men thought girls

684
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: like a girl. Yeah, how mean and judge and it's

685
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: like or or maybe all the other stuff we do

686
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: is cooler. The other stuff we do is what makes

687
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: people relate to this person. And Yeah, It's interesting, isn't

688
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: it that when you feel something that it doesn't necessarily

689
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: feel authentic, it feels put on that kind of um,

690
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: that kind of intense like judge, shrillness. M M. Yeah,

691
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: well maybe you just needed like a cool zip up

692
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: hootie and like some pouty lips. You just needed some

693
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: calculus help. Yeah, I just I need some help with

694
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: my homework. Um, let's before we get into the best

695
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: part of the show, um, the dance. Uh, let's talk

696
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: about the Karen deb Dan of it all, because watching

697
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: as a grow own up that's their storyline, just continues

698
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: to be so much louder for me that now that

699
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: we're watching this as grown ups. Um, the depth, it's hard,

700
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's really intense. We're just casually having

701
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: an attempted suicide on the show. Yeah, I'm gonna say

702
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. It's very like, Um, we're going

703
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: to have this man sit down and say the most

704
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: hurtful thing in the most hurtful way he could say

705
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: it to this person who's already struggling, And then we're

706
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: going to casually have her dump some pills and then

707
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: we're going to casually have him just say it's over

708
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: and then move on and go on a date. You know,

709
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: he drive him away in the in the in the ambulance,

710
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: and then it's over. Like well, also her son, Like

711
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: we've talked about this in you know, the last couple

712
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: episodes list. Uh, Nathan keeps saying I want to die,

713
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: I should have died. You know, he has attempted suicide

714
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and it's never treated like that,

715
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: like we're not calling it suicide attempts and there almost

716
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: feels like there should be a trigger or just like

717
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: a trauma. Yeah. Um, And now to have his mother

718
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, Like, I can't imagine how stressful

719
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: that is to watch if you're in the midst of

720
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: going through that as a viewer, um, because it is

721
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: being treated pretty casually. I've had people in my life

722
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: killed themselves and I'm watching this, like, what what are

723
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: we talking about here? She just takes a fistful of

724
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: pills and nothing. It doesn't even ring a bell in town. Yeah.

725
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see what's going to happen in

726
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the next episode in terms of how we deal with it, um,

727
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: because if we fail to talk about it, that's really

728
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: going to be a a deeply intense letdown. And given

729
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: the way that sometimes we do what's really good in

730
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: terms of these converse stations and sometimes we really blow it,

731
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I don't either. Yeah,

732
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: it's a doozy what do you think about Karen having

733
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: dinner with Dan and being all cozy with Dan? Could

734
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: you have dinner with your worst ex boyfriend ever? Absolutely not.

735
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I think it's um, I think it's like one of

736
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: these TV show moments where they have to, you know,

737
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: bring certain characters back together or like just to have story.

738
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely not, but um, you know, she's a

739
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: really nice person for giving human I guess beyonded what's

740
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: normal or logical. Well, and he has slowly been kind

741
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: of working his way back in, and there's the story

742
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: of it all. But then, just as a viewer, like

743
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: the chemistry between those two is undeniable, Like the Paul

744
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: and Moira chemistry is so good, and so if if

745
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: I kind of remove the story and I just watched them,

746
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: I can't get enough of them. And then I think

747
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: about their story and I'm like, this is going to

748
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: be so bad. This is so bad. I mean thinking

749
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: about over the years, she's already thrown a chair through

750
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: his office window. They've run against each other for may or,

751
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: They've been in all these like altercations. Publicly, he skimmed

752
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: out on child support ever for her for his child. Yeah,

753
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: it's a lot to stomach. It's a lot, and I

754
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I get it. It is you

755
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: know sometimes on a TV show it's like, well, what's

756
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: the worst thing we could think of? I found it.

757
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: They found it, and listen, I'm sure the fans loved

758
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: it in somewhere or another, like or they were really

759
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: and want you want you want um holds if someone

760
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: writes it and it's like, hey, I need you guys

761
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: to know that was my favorite storyline. I should care

762
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: to Dan so hard. Okay, if you feel that way,

763
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: can you please right in so we can tell Liz,

764
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: because I bet there's like two there's two or three

765
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: out there, you sickos. Well, then it'll be easy for

766
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: you to reach the world. We'll frame them in our office.

767
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: Is like, here's the piece of evidence. It's so hard.

768
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: They really do show Dan and like this supportive light

769
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: while he's saying all the stuff that he said to

770
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: deb you right, Liz, like like I settled for you.

771
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Karen's the love of my life. The night before our wedding,

772
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I went and sat outside her house. Can you imagine

773
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, it just sort of um

774
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: rang to that same idea that you guys were talking about,

775
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: or at least it in my mind, it called to

776
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: that sort of like unnecessary cruelty of heart him saying

777
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: it that way, you know what, you know what I mean?

778
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: I did you just watch it in your skin crawls

779
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: And maybe that's what they were going for, but it

780
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: felt like like a torture porn moment. Torture. Yeah, it

781
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: was a verbal punch, yeah, because you know that, you

782
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: know this woman is about just then just going to

783
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: go and trying to hurt herself. Well, and it's interesting

784
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: too to see because Dan is a narcissist, to see

785
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: the swing and how awful he can be to people.

786
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: And currently he's in this moment where he is being

787
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: the kindest we've seen him with Karen and he's he's

788
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: helping her in the morning and Deb flips out, and

789
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: the turn from when he's in that the back of

790
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: the cafe with Karen to pouring water on Deb's face.

791
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: You're just like, Oh, he's in there, he's in there,

792
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: He's in there, and and it it actually, it strikes

793
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: me in this moment. I don't know that we've talked

794
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: about this, but so much of what's true of men,

795
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, narcissists controlling men in relationships is it's the

796
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: new relationship where they say, you make me want to

797
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: be different. You're the reason I'm going to change. You've

798
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: shown me what I'm capable of. For you, I want

799
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: to be fill in the blank. It's like making my

800
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: stomach turn. And he's in that phase with Karen. This

801
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: is going to be my redemption. Now I'm going to

802
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: get what I always really wanted. But he's just as

803
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: vile and awful as he's ever been with Debb because

804
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: she's old news to him. Yeah, but god, how good

805
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: was that moment with Karen and Dan having that dinner

806
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: and she says, you know, Lucas said the most upsetting

807
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: thing to me today. And Moira did such a beautiful

808
00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: job with that scene because it's quiet, it's a quiet

809
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: share and there's something about how low and slow it

810
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: is that makes it so much more ominous than if

811
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: she were confrontational, upset, freaking out like it's showing any

812
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: like like like she knows something. Anything else would have

813
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: not have a woman showing emotion. How unlikable goodness, but

814
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: like there really, there really is something chilling about the

815
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: way she expresses the discomfort because it's the beginning. It's

816
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: like it's like the seed is cracking open and he

817
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: knows what's coming. Give me chills. Did you know you

818
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: were going to hook up with Mouth? Let's let's just

819
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: get to some funtion this episode. I was like, I

820
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: feel like I needed an UM. Did you know that

821
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: you and Lee were going to be hooking up on

822
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: the show or is that something that like spawned later? Um?

823
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: You mean when I first was asked to be part

824
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: of it, I didn't know that I was going to

825
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: be paired with Mouth. Um, but I could sort of

826
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: see it. I could see it as a something that

827
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: would make sense in terms of UM bringing us both

828
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: to a different place, and you know a big thing

829
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: for him, you know, in terms of he has been

830
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: a virgin, right, so when we're doing the whole, like

831
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it is a breakfast clubby episode, um,

832
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: and you know when I end up in like leather

833
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: pants with my top off holding my breasts and it

834
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: happened really fast. Like, but I think it made sense

835
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that if she was going to start to open herself

836
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: back up to any kind sexuality, that he was the

837
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: right person for that because I think she probably was

838
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: burned by a lot of situations before. And you know,

839
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: he was very He's a very sweet comes across as

840
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: a very sweet individual from the beginning. It makes sense

841
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: to me, and I really like that it happened. I

842
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: really loved working with Lee, like Lee's he's my favorite

843
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: people so well. He represents like a safety Like I

844
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: was definitely a super virgin in high school and it

845
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: wasn't until I got older and was like a late bloomer,

846
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I lost my virginity to someone who

847
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: was older. But I was like, God, I wish I

848
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: would have lost my virginity in high school to someone

849
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: who it was a big deal to, you know, like

850
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: it was a big deal to Mouth. He probably made

851
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Shelley feel really special, Yeah, very special. Yeah yeah, And

852
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: I think that stuff that is yet to come for

853
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: what you guys are going to go over, um is

854
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: really sweet. Yeah. Well, and a nice thing to to

855
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: to be clear in a storyline like that that healthy

856
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: relationships are very healing for people, m hm, you know,

857
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: and and what a better person to do that with,

858
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: you know than Mouth, Like to your point, such a

859
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: such a good character who's really been you know, going

860
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: through his paces to identify what he believes in, what

861
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of guy he wants to be, and yeah, where

862
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: his insecurities come from. But but how he wants to

863
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: work around those things and um, I don't know. I

864
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: Yeah again As a viewer, I loved watching you guys

865
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: together so much. Also, Lee got buff this year. Yeah

866
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: he did. By the way, let's talk about the boys

867
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: dancing and everything, Like close up is on Lee. It's

868
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: all Lee and his hips and his moves. His moves

869
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: are great, They're so great, cut, stomach going. He's the

870
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: dancer of all of us. Really, honestly. No, that was

871
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: so fun and it kind of holds true to like

872
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: an authentic high high school experience where it's like you've

873
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: known the same people your whole life, you've gone to

874
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: school forever. The girls mature faster than the boys. The

875
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: boys are like pretty scrawny and awkward, and then all

876
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like junior senior year, there's like shoulders

877
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: and an adam's apple and like and abs and you're

878
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: that guy that you never looked at, never like, Oh,

879
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: maybe you are everything I ever wanted interesting Tell me more. Yeah,

880
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: mouth has that energy where it's like a sneak attack

881
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: Senior year. The senior sneak attack is a hit. I

882
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: love that senior year sneak attack. You couldn't put it better.

883
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. I landed the hot mel Yeah you sure did,

884
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: all right, So so Lafferty wins m v P this

885
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: episode Lafferty Friendship. Um, and I'm like, is this acting

886
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: or is this real? I was going to ask you guys,

887
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: you guys, I just need ye all to know. When

888
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: we were watching this episode and they're in the locker

889
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: room and Lee, you know, hits play on the mouth,

890
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: hits play on the music, and and him and Skills

891
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: are like, oh no, Like James was only slightly playing

892
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: up his aortness and like like our sweet friend will

893
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: will take you out. We'll go play pool with you.

894
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: But he's not the guy who dances. Like we'd all dance.

895
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: We'd be like, let's put our purses on the floor

896
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: and dance, and Lee would be in the middle, like

897
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: doing a funny thing, and and I mean, what a

898
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: good sport. Like I'm very proud of him because I

899
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: have a man in my life for refuses to dance

900
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: unless he's had way too many drinks. Um, he refuses

901
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: to dance, and when he does dance, it is like

902
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: he's making fun of the way that he dances. So

903
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: he's like playing up how silly it is. And that's

904
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: how that's what that reminded me of. In the most

905
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: loving way. I found it adorable, like so good lapperty

906
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: dancing like that if it was a joke or not,

907
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: because it felt like that on that fine line of

908
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: like maybe this is actually a little bit real. It's

909
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: like the way I think about it, Like, you know,

910
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: James is such an athlete. He's a basketball player, and

911
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: like I went to junior high in high school with

912
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: a girl who had grown up doing ballet and a

913
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: bunch of us were on dance team, and like when

914
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: she would try to do anything to any hip hop song,

915
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: like her body just couldn't move that way. Like she

916
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: was so elegant and long and there was no like

917
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: gyrating for her, and I was I was killing me

918
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: because it's like that's what it felt like watching watching

919
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: Mouth and Nathan. I was like, oh my god, that's

920
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: like me and my friend used to look like. And

921
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: it's just so good. It's like he's very used to

922
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: like the ups, the vertical the dunking, and then he

923
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: asked away from side to side and he can't do it,

924
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's perfect. And then you've got Lee like

925
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: throwing his hips forward in a close up, like coming

926
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: into camera with a pelvis, and you're like, oh my god.

927
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: That day of filming was so fun because we were

928
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: in a real strip club in Wilmington's were in uh

929
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: pure Gold I want to say, which was over by

930
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: the Bowling Alley. Oh I remember because everybody, by the way,

931
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: we all came, all of us who went in that

932
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: scene came to work that night to watch. Oh yeah,

933
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: Like remember being in the back by the by video

934
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: village and we were like, it smells like vanilla. It

935
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: smelled so we vanilla like po and van Yeah, like

936
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: they were trying to cover up the smell of it.

937
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: Was like whatever the like, body, I don't know. Yeah,

938
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember leaving nervous like at all, And I

939
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: was not nervous. He was ready to shine. Antoine was

940
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: super pumped. Like if he's never been to a strip

941
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: club with Antoine, you have not lived it. Okay, Well

942
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: then I got to get on that in meeting. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: he's a party man um, it's his second home. You know,

944
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: He's just like, I love it here, this is great.

945
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: Let me get on stage. And I think he loved

946
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: that skills wasn't in the track suit and like came

947
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: out in his boxers because if you notice, there are

948
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: only every shots of Antoine, shots of Antoine because there

949
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: was not a lot of control in that costume. And

950
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: he's dancing and we're all like Antoine, for real, dude,

951
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: like for real, like lock it up. But you can't

952
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: say anything because you don't want to make your friend

953
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable until after the fact and then you give them

954
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: so much about it. Um, you're like, thanks for limb

955
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: things around. It was art was an art imitating life

956
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: or life imitating art at that point. I don't know,

957
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: but I was. That was one of those scenes where

958
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: the lines got blurried. Yeah, and it's more redirecting so

959
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: there's nothing salacious happening. It's like, you know, your big

960
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: sisters there and everything so tame and safe. Um, which

961
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: was good. She was the right person boys, because she

962
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: made it hilarious and sweet. It didn't feel gross and

963
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: that was so nice and I would imagine very nice

964
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: for them. Well and even the choice for Bevan's wardrobe.

965
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: It's like not like a bra, It's like it's like

966
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: this whole like corset thing. It's like very conservative. Yeah, God,

967
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 1: bless God, bless him. It was wonderful. I definitely think

968
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: we do this thing, Liz. We we've started doing this

969
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: season called honorable mention, and like James is for sure

970
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: are honorable men. Yeah, but I feel that I feel

971
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: that I can agree with that. I can agree with that.

972
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: The commitment he showed was very impressive. Thank God, like

973
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: for Joy too to be able to just like laugh

974
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: and have fun because the chemistry between those two, you know,

975
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: she just has this like huge hormonal freak out and

976
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: over like a dress which been there done that hormones

977
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: um kind of a dump storyline for her. I wish

978
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: they gave her like more to do, considering she's been

979
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: hit by a car and she's pregnant in high school.

980
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: There's like real going on. The dress is the thing

981
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: that sends her over the edge. Their chemistry, like when

982
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: she is teasing him about it and has that gold

983
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: thong and tells him she wants a laugh dance, Like

984
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: I turned red. That was so funny. There's nothing better

985
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: than like like seeing your partner in a really humiliating

986
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: situation and watching them just kind of like man up

987
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: through it when they're a good sport. Yeah, the good sport.

988
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: That's what I like. That's it's kind of hot, so funny.

989
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: I have to say, there's one thing that stuck out

990
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: to me in this episode. I know we've done our

991
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: honorable mention. I don't know what to call this. It

992
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: was like the question mark for me where I was like,

993
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: what is happening when you know we're in this moment

994
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: where we're finally getting to see Peyton and Lucas happy.

995
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: The writers haven't figured out how to write it, but

996
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys know how to act like yours

997
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. We're like, what the words aren't there,

998
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: but the tongue is guys, these words are terrible. You

999
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: know what this Let's just do this. I but I

1000
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: was so confused. Like I liked the gesture of of

1001
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: Peyton taking Lucas to see her mom. I was like, Okay,

1002
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: the cemetery moment, I was like, okay, we're because what

1003
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to say is that these things that have

1004
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: made her sad because of him, make her happy, and

1005
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: then we all were super Liz, Like Hillary and I

1006
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: both started like freaking out when then he walked over

1007
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: to keiths grave and then they were like smiling. We

1008
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: were like, what is this trauma bond? Like why are

1009
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: they why did they write it this way? And then

1010
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: I went oh, because again you got to do this

1011
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: in TV right, Like it's the device to allow the

1012
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: flashback to happen for when Lucas has been unconscious and

1013
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: you've seen Peyton at the cemetery. It's all leading to

1014
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy didn't kill Keith. So once the flashback happened, we

1015
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: were like, oh, okay, we get it, like we know

1016
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: why this is why this had to happen. Um, But man,

1017
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary, I guess I just was wondering, like

1018
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: do you remember that day? Did it Did it feel

1019
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: weird to you? Was it one of those things where

1020
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: you just knew you had to do it, like to

1021
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: get the shot, Like what was that? What was filming that?

1022
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: Like just saying words on paper like this episode is

1023
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: so weird because if you would just let the camera

1024
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: roll on. Chad and I we had a good time.

1025
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: We had a good rapport, we had good chemistry. We

1026
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: could have faked words that were like fun to watch

1027
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: because we have to say all this clunky dialogue and

1028
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: then it's like we're going to have internal monologues out

1029
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: loud at the cemetery. None of it felt cool or

1030
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: funny or flirty or and so then we end with like,

1031
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's just throw some cookies at each other.

1032
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: It rething felt device e And as an actor, it

1033
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: is not your job to correct every script or to

1034
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: fix stuff. Sometimes it's just your job to hit your

1035
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: mark and say the dumb words on the paper. And

1036
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: so we did it, and we tried to have the

1037
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: best time doing it, and there your best. Yeah, there

1038
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: are people who super love the cookie fight scene. And

1039
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: I will say I remember Chad and I just kind

1040
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: of hitting a wall shooting the cookie fight scene because

1041
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: we'd had to do so much like awkward band like

1042
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: weird stuff that when we were hunkered down behind that table,

1043
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: we couldn't get up and move because it would have

1044
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: messed up continuity. And we were in very similar physical

1045
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: positions to the school shooting, and that had been the

1046
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: last time he and I were kind of like stuck

1047
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: next to each other for an extended period of time

1048
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: like that, but this time we got to like have

1049
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: fun just like yeah, and just like be kids. And

1050
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: so when I'm laughing there, I'm legitimately laughing there, like

1051
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: we He made me laugh in that situation because he

1052
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: was just like, I have to eat this off your

1053
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: shoulder and you're a gross person. Yeah and so and

1054
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: so for all of the uncomfortable dialogue throughout the course

1055
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: of the episode, like Chad and I really did end

1056
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: it on a high note, um making something that was

1057
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Speaker 1: you know, stupid, stupid food fight into a little bit

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Speaker 1: of fun. We had fun. Yeah, Well, and it makes

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Speaker 1: me feel excited to see as they figure out how

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01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: to write for y'all from a place of happiness instead

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: of a place of trauma, like what's gonna come? Because again,

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Speaker 1: I know we've said this a bunch, but if you

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Speaker 1: can make a good scene out of so so questionable dialogue, like,

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Speaker 1: imagine what the scene became when the dialogue is great,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I want that, like I as a viewer,

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Speaker 1: I want the payoff of seeing these two have the

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Speaker 1: great moments that don't have to be in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a lockdown in a school. Yeah, Like I want

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Speaker 1: I want to see the joy. Yeah, just like a

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Speaker 1: random Thursday in the kitchen doing something simple, Yeah, making

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Speaker 1: salt cookies. All right, we have a listener question. Okay, Sabrina,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a heavy question. Um, Sabrina is

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Speaker 1: asking us. Did it seem realistic to you that there

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Speaker 1: was no discussion of Haley and Nathan not keeping the baby,

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Speaker 1: considering how young they are, everything Nathan and Lucas have

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01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: gone through with the young parents and Nathan's basketball dreams.

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: I found it strange that it was assumed they would

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: have the baby, no questions asked. Brain is going for it, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. Yeah, Liz, you're a little bit

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Speaker 1: removed from it. So, like as an outside observer, Like,

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Speaker 1: storyline wise, what do you think? I think, UM choices

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01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: are often made to not be too political or um.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's not a story line that they

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: were ready to tell. I will share that my character Shelley,

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why she goes into clean teens

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01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: is because she's had you know, you learn all this

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: stuff later down, but like that she you know, had

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Speaker 1: an abortion. The whole thing is like very much that

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Speaker 1: I feel really really guilty about it. So that was

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Speaker 1: also the way it was treated for my character was

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: that like, like I wish I hadn't done it. I'd

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: have to rewatch that stuff. But the language around it

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01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: is very you know, sort of regret, regret, regret, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, had Shelly been like, I'm so glad I

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: did this my life and I can see my life

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: now and yes, it was a difficult decision. Whatever like

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: that would never have been handled like that, and I just, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think because it's a network show, I think they're

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01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: going to want to show they don't want to necessarily

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Speaker 1: show that. Well, what's really interesting to me a lot

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Speaker 1: of research has been done about how the portrayal of

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Speaker 1: abortion care and reproductive healthcare on television has really damaged

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Speaker 1: um the reality of the issue. And there is an

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Speaker 1: adage that says, you know, a character who is pregnant

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Speaker 1: absolutely not cannot have an abortion. Characters can talk about

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Speaker 1: abortions they've had, but you know, they even did an

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Speaker 1: analysis about it on Sex in the City, Like Samantha

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01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: talks about having had two abortions, Carrie talks about having

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Speaker 1: had an abortion in her twenties. But when Miranda gets

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Speaker 1: pregnant and it's going to have an abortion, then she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: She just has to have this space. And you know,

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Speaker 1: once the character exists, basically, yes, and listen, I think

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01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: everybody's entitled to their opinions and feelings about the issue. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think no one is entitled to have their feelings

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Speaker 1: weigh in on someone else's health care or life or

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Speaker 1: family planning. And where it's a little tricky for me

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: is is again. And and you know, we talked about

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: this a little bit with you know, Shelley v. Chase.

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01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: This this Madonna horror complex, This this idea that women

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Speaker 1: can't make decisions that you can't say, I wanted to

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01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: stay in school, I didn't want to drop have to

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Speaker 1: drop out of grad school. I I didn't have a partner,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have you know, the economic stability. You know,

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Speaker 1: six of women who seek abortion care in America are

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Speaker 1: already mother's plural. And but we tell these stories in

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Speaker 1: this way that I think are really detrimental and and

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: have proven to be pretty harmful. And so you know, again,

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Speaker 1: like we love Nathan and Haley, we love Jamie Scott,

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Speaker 1: like we we love the story, but I do I

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Speaker 1: will say I agree with Sabrina that, um, the timidness,

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Speaker 1: you know, the desire to not be quote political, as

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01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: you said, is actually is political. Like we we cartoonify

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: the issue. We act like there aren't real questions and

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Speaker 1: real struggles. We act like Nathan and Lucas don't come

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: from parental trauma and that you know, Lucas doesn't know

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: inherently the experience of being a you know, raised in

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: a household where your parent is living honor below the

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01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: poverty line. Like we pretend like these issues aren't real

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: issues for people and to be fine. And I would

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Speaker 1: have loved I would love to see them having that

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: conversation because having a conversation is just having a converse. Yeah,

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01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: I think it would have been powerful. We never see

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: Whitey have that conversation with Nathan, Like how powerful would

1144
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: that have been? Have Whitey be like, hey, man, I

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: wish I had kids. I wish, but as someone who's

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: looking out for you, because I know you don't have

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: parents looking out for you. Has anyone talked to you

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01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: and Haley about this, like, really talked to you about it? Um?

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01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, nobody ever brings it up. I don't think

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01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: it's changed much because that the article I was telling

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: you about I read an advance of the mid terms,

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01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, talking about like why why can't we have

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, very real and serious conversations about the stuff

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01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: and UM and be clear that again, believe what you

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01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: want to believe, but but your beliefs don't get to

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: make the laws, and your beliefs should not impede doctors

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Speaker 1: from doing their jobs, from keeping people alive. You know,

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: I am. There's is great O B. G. N. Natalie

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: Crawford who does a lot of UM sort of education

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: and activism around these issues on Instagram, and she was

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: talking about UM. You know, a woman who she had

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: spoken to, who whose water broke at sixteen weeks in

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: Texas needed to have a DNC because you know, that's it,

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: your water breaks, Like that's not a viable fetus, That

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01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: baby can't be born in a nic like it's not

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: going to happen. Heartbreaking for that family. They wanted that baby,

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01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: and the state of Texas wouldn't allow her to get care,

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: and so her doctors literally said, we have to wait

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01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: until you're septic. And they waited until she was septic

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01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: to then be able to intervene because you know, then

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01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: per the law, her life was in danger and she

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Speaker 1: has yeah, and and basically the septic pregnancy destroyed her

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01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: uterus and she's never going to be able to get pregnant.

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: So this woman who lost her baby now will never

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: get to be a mom. And like that happened this year.

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're doing a good enough job

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Speaker 1: in our industry that does have the ability, to Sabrina's point,

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: to ask questions and to to give a dose of

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01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: reality to these very human stories, even if they end

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01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: the same way. By the way, again, like you know,

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01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: in the storyline Jamie's Brooks god son, Like I love

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: that kid, And I think we do a disservice because

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01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: then we get to situations like the one I just described,

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: and people go, well, I didn't know that's what was happening,

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: and that's happening every day. So I think the gap

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01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: is still even if we've gotten better, I don't think

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01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: we're closing the gap at the speed that we should

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: be two to like have the conversations that we have

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01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the power to have. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I've never created a TV show, so I don't know

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: what the answer is there, all right, Sabrina on our

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01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: TV show We're Handle This Great trust Us. Yeah, that

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: was a deep question. It was a deep question. Shocker.

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I love a deep question. Yeah. Yeah, hey, listen, should

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01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: we spin a wheel for this? We should spin a

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Speaker 1: week very complicated episode of O. T. H. Elizabeth. Every

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Speaker 1: week we sent and we do most likely to like

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 1: senior superlatives. Oh, Liz read the question who's most likely?

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Speaker 1: Who is most likely to open a nightclub? I mean,

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: so we have to pick a character and we have

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: to pick a real life person amongst this group of

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: Deb and Karen open a nightclub like tricks and nightclub. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought, after this little arrangement this week,

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: like clearly it's going to be skills and hopefully it's

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: it's a nightclub for the ladies. Have you been watching

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: that Chippendale show? Oh? I haven't started, said I Like,

1207
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: I said, I don't watch any TV, but my husband does.

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: While I'm just like puddling around the house and what

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: I've seen is engaging. I'm like, tell me more chipping Dale's. Yeah,

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting look at like what that

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: whole business was. And I could see I could see

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: skills being in charge of an empire. I get it. Yeah,

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01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: who who in real life is going to open up

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: a nightclub? I mean, Daniel has the distillery, she's got

1215
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: the family business beer. That's true. Open me. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be me. I can just not absolutely take myself out

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: of the equation. But yeah, I don't know who stays

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: out anymore. I feel like all of us when we

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: get together, we're like, it's ten o'clack Sophia. Sofia's trying

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Speaker 1: to hang out at like a like a German Berlin

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: and its club. Absolutely, I'm like taking it all the

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01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: way underground. Yeah, my my husband and I this summer,

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Speaker 1: we're like, before work gets really serious again in September,

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01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,919
Speaker 1: let's go on an adventure. And we went to Abisa

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: like that was my first time there. I was like,

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: this is the dream. What are you talking about? I

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01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: can like go and eat the best food, swim in

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Speaker 1: the ocean, and then see like six amazing DJs in

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: one night. They played for forty five minutes apiece. This

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: is like this is sheik. I was very into it.

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to just move to a

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: European island and do this. Hopefully, next episode we deal

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Speaker 1: with some of the complications of this one. It is

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Speaker 1: season four, episode thirteen. Pictures of you about to get awesome, Liz,

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,040
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