1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: As the late fifteen ten touchdown. What's up? Guys, Welcome 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: into an NFL Combine edition of Chargers Weekly, as always, 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: joined by Matt money Smith money raining here in southern California. 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: All the action is in Indianapolis and our guy Daniel 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Popper on the scenes in pop. I want to ask 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: you about brand at Staley and everything that's going on there, 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: But I just saw a tweet from you regarding Keenan 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Allen and his status with the Chargers, and I guess 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: we could just start there. Why don't you as a 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: leaping off point. It's just kind of detail which you tweeted. Yeah, 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: So got to meet with Tom Salasko here at the 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: Combine and pray he said explicitly that Keenan Allen is 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Obviously, there was some speculation. I think 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: it got a little bit overblown, just that's how meet 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: it works these days. But you know, the Chargers had 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: the possibility of cutting Keenan Allen or trading him and 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: saving some money against the cap. Of course, we all 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: know that they're, you know, over twenty million dollars over 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the cap and they're gonna have to make some moves 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: here to get cap compliant by the new league year, 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: so you know, people are throwing out options for how 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: they can get there. One option was moving on from 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. There are a lot of other options that 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: they could go down, and it sounds like they're going 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: to take these other avenues to try and keep the 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: roster is close to what it was last year as 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: they can, because they believe they have a really good team. 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: So that's where things stand, and it's obviously good news 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: because Keenan Allen is a fantastic player. I think we 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: can all agree on that. You know, I think the 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: development of what's happened with wide receiver salaries, you know, 32 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: made it less likely. You know, if if wide receiver 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: salaries are still in that you know, twelve to eighteen 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and the high end gets twenty, then yeah, I think 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: it sort of started to make sense. It's like, wow, 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: we've got the second highest you know earning wide receiver 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and he's on the wrong side of thirty. Should we 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: rethink this? But looking at what it's going to cost 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: or a place a guy in free agent and see, 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, now that it's gone north of twenty five, 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: it's sniffing thirty per year. I think that's one component. Two. 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: I think Herbert's a big part of this. You know, 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: when when Keenan came back, that was his guy. I mean, 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: it was all the targets again, it was all the 45 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: third downs again. So I think there's that that component. 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: And I do think, you know, there's there's an element 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: of sort of trust that this is gonna sound crazy, 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: but that I don't know if like they have with 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: the other wide receivers. You know, I don't want to 50 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: explicitly say Mike William's name, but I I think if 51 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: you were to kind of say, hey, point blank, let's 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: let's put him in order, I wouldn't be surprised if 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Keenan came in at number one, even though we know 54 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: how explosive Mike is in those big plays. And I 55 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: think the way they look at that wide receiver room, 56 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: if you're slotting guys, I think you would probably put Keenan. 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: I think the team, the front office would probably put 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: Keenan one. Mike too. I just think that's the pecking order, 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: and you don't want to get rid of your number one. Yeah. 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think anyone was arguing that Keenan, 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, is trending in the wrong direction. You know, 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: he had a injured season last year, But what he 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: does doesn't necessarily get valued by the outside world in 64 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: the same way that maybe you know a Tyreek Hill 65 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: or a Jalen Waddle, guys with speed, the guys that 66 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: make these explosive plays, like Keenan's really good at like 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: converting like third and fours. You know, he's really good 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: in the red zone. He makes a lot of big 69 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: plays on money downs, but he's not this explosive receiver 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna show up on the highlight rail. But in 71 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: terms of what teams team's value, you know, being highly 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: productive in those key situations, being able to separate against 73 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: man coverage on third down in the short and intermediate 74 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: area of the field, like that's extremely important, you know. 75 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: But like I think the reason it became a story 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: is because you have to look at the cap situation 77 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and figure out, right, right, there's only so many ways 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: you can do it. Like it's not like you can 79 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: just you know, reassemble your cap sheet every single year. 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: There's certain levers that you can pull, and this was 81 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: one lever that they could pull. I think I wrote 82 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: in my column about it that. You know, the cap 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: math gets more difficult if you keep Keenan, but not impossible, 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: and that's the direction they're going there. It's a little 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: bit more difficult and they're gonna have to make some 86 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: decisions in terms of restructuring contracts. But you know, Keenan 87 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: at that number still makes sense. Like he's still worth 88 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: that money. Twenty four million dollars is the Capit like 89 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: that he's still worth that if he plays a full, 90 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: healthy season, and I think that's what the charges are expecting. 91 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: He's still a fantastic player, and it's increase real quick. 92 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: I would just I would just add, like Poper or 93 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: Chris if you want to ask, like, I wouldn't be 94 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: surprised if they restructure and they extend and they just 95 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: kind of convert some of that to signing bonus and 96 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: you can back end it and say, hey man, we'll 97 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: cut you a check for your twenty four Now we'll 98 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: tack two on the back. Whether or not you see that, 99 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: you know you can play that game and at least 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: try to take seven eight million bucks off that number 101 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: and just scratch out a big check to him here, 102 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, before the season starts, and see if you 103 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: can work it that way, and that's you know, how 104 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: you can shave, like we said, because that's what you're 105 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: gonna have to do. Right, it looks like they're gonna 106 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: probably try to piece all this together, and I would 107 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I would guess a lot of it's by restructuring and 108 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: extending and tack and on years that some of these 109 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: players aren't going to see. Yeah, those are all levers 110 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: that they can pull, and there's various contracts that they 111 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: can do it with. You know, Joey Bosa has another 112 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: contract they can do it with. But the one point 113 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: I want to make is that when you do that, 114 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: the money just doesn't disappear from the cap. You have 115 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: to wear that eventually in future seasons. Every dollar that 116 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: you know, guarantee dollar that gets paid, you have to 117 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: wear on the cap at some point. And so yeah, 118 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: you can curly said that about the Saints for ten 119 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: years pop. That's the thing, Like every single year we 120 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: say it is the year the Saints got to pay 121 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: that check, and it's like every year they figure out how, 122 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: no they don't. When's the last time the Saints were 123 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: actually like a Super Bowl contender, I mean three years ago? Yeah, 124 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: So I mean, I think I think the last I mean, 125 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, when before when Drew Brees retired right as 126 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: long as he was their quarterback for ten years, we 127 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: heard how they got to pay the bill and they 128 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: never same with the Rams. You know. Now, look, the 129 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Rams had to pay the bill this year because Andrew 130 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Whitworth retired right in their offensive line got completely destroyed. 131 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: But I just feel like the I feel like the 132 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: Chargers don't pull the levers that you're talking about, or 133 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: at least haven't in the past enough. And I think 134 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: this may be the year we finally see them pull 135 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: some of those levels that other teams have for Yeah, 136 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: I think so, I think you're I think you're right, 137 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: But you do eventually have to wear it, like you 138 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: know that, you know, the Saints had had to trade CJ. 139 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson to the Eagles, Like that's a really good 140 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: player that they had to offload for cap reasons. You know, 141 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: they haven't been particularly in the mix in recent years. 142 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: I think like you're seeing them sort of, you know, 143 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: pay the bill that they kept off putting the year 144 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: after year after years. So it does come around. The 145 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: other part of it is that you have to have 146 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: the cash to do it as well, you know, like 147 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: like if you do can, if you convert you know, 148 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars of base alary and designing bonus, Like 149 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: that's a check you gotta pay year one versus paying 150 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: it down the road. So like it's there's obviously a 151 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: lot of machinations here, but like there's a reason that 152 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: teams are able to massage it and get into the cap. 153 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: Like it's not a huge issue. It's just like how 154 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: much cash are you gonna pay up front? And then 155 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: how much dead money are you willing to wear in 156 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: future seasons? And those are the two questions you have 157 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: to answer. If if you're willing to you know, pay 158 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: that money future seasons, and you have the cash to 159 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: do it, then absolutely you can pull these levers to 160 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: kick the can down the road. I saw a quote 161 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: this morning where Tom Telesco said that he's our Charlie Joyner, 162 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: He's our Andre Reid, and you know, you could be 163 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: prisoner at the moment and see, hey, he missed a 164 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of time this year. There was no player in 165 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the Charges franchise over the first five years in LA 166 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: more consistent than Keenan Allen. He played in nearly every 167 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: single game, a thousand yards seasons, one hundred plus catches, 168 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: six to eight touchdowns a season, and Justin sortly missed 169 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: him when he was hurt and didn't have Keenan to 170 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: rely upon. So I do think it makes sense. But 171 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: if you take Keenan out of the equation popper, they 172 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: are going to have to make some moves. They are 173 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: going to have to either restructure contracts or cut guys outright. 174 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the Khalil Mack contract and I 175 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: just wonder what do they do with Khalil Mack? Do 176 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: they try to restructure his deal? He has a big 177 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: cap number. I think Matt Feiler has a decent cap number. 178 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: What other players are we looking at here? Yeah, I 179 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: mean the timing of it's going to be pretty interesting 180 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: to me. You know, they're twenty million and change over 181 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: the cap right now, and they have that's the money 182 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: they have to clear to get cap compliant by one 183 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: pm Pacific time I'm March fifteenth. They can do that 184 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: with two moves, cutting Matt file, restructuring Joey with the 185 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: maximum amount of savings on the restructure that gets them 186 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: cap compliant by the newly year and then they can 187 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: sort of just operate and you know, make decisions and 188 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: pull levers based on different deadlines. You know. I go 189 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: back to like when they cut Brian Bloga last offseason, 190 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: they kind of waited until they had made a bunch 191 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: of moves and free agency before they felt like, Okay, 192 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: we need a little bit more space to round out 193 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: this roster. And then they made that move like three 194 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: days before Brian Blog's roster bonus was due. So I 195 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: think you'll sort of see the moves trickle out over time, 196 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: depending on what they feel like they need to do. 197 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: But you can start with those two moves, get cap 198 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: compliant by you know, March fifteenth, and then and then 199 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: move from there. You know. The one thing I'll say 200 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: is I don't really expect them to be particularly active 201 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: in free agency, Like I don't think there's any scenario 202 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: where they're able to really make decisions like they did 203 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: in previous seasons, like and I think on top of that, 204 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna have enough space to really 205 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: round out the roster with veterans, like they're going to 206 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: be looking toward this draft class that they're bringing in 207 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: with the seven picks that they have to bolster that 208 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: depth and then they might be able to find some 209 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: bargains on the open market. But that's sort of what 210 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: you're looking at in terms of, you know, how they're 211 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: going to operate moving forward. But I would start there 212 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: with restructuring Joey because you know, borrowing from the Bank 213 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: of Bosa, and then you know, cutting Matt Filer, who 214 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: was outstanding in his first season but took us a 215 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a step back last year. They can 216 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: save six and a half million there and then sort 217 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: of see what levers you want to pull moving forward 218 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: in terms of restructuring, in terms of cutting other players, 219 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: whether that's you know, restructuring Kalil again. I mean, they 220 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: did restructure Kalil after they traded for him, so there 221 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: was no guaranteed money remaining on that deal. Now there 222 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: is some guaranteed money nine million dollars in dead money 223 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: that they that they restructured to future seasons, so they 224 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: could potentially do that again. They could restructure Sebastian Joseph Day, 225 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, Gerald Everett can get cutting. You can say 226 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: four point two five million dollars, lot of different levers 227 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: that you can put, you can pull and I'm just 228 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of fascinated to see which levers they decided to 229 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: pull and when they decided to do them, And that's 230 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: sort of what we'll find out over the coming weeks. Yeah, 231 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I think Hunter, you know, it's impossible not to agree 232 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: with you. They don't have the money to dip deep 233 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: into the free agent pull. They did it last year. 234 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: You know. Last year was their big swing. That was, 235 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, we feel like we have the offense, Brandon, 236 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: what do you need on defense? Will go buy it 237 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: and let's see if we can make the super Bowl. 238 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And they spent a grip 239 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: of cash on Khalil Mack on JC Jackson, filled out 240 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: the roster with Austin and Sebastian and look, it just 241 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: didn't work, you know, and it got him a twenty 242 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: seven zero lead in the first half of the playoffs 243 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: and they made the playoffs, and that's certainly his success. 244 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: But I think just kind of going back to is 245 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: we try to figure out how they're you know, the 246 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: question you ask Chris is how do they do this? 247 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Going back to Jacksonville, I do think there's you know, 248 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: however you want to describe it recency by a scar tissue. 249 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't get a first down and they 250 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: couldn't get off the field on third down. And I 251 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: think that's what they've got to figure out through the draft. 252 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Through they're going to resign through who gets to stay 253 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: and who goes? And I think that's Hey, we were 254 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: good enough to win ten games, probably could have won eleven, 255 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, depending on how they would have approached that 256 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: second half of the Broncos game or how into that 257 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: game they really would have been. So I do think, 258 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to take nineteen or you know, 259 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: eighteen games and focus on one half. But I think 260 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: that's going to go a long way because it was 261 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: a problem all year. You know that the pass rush 262 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: had issues all year because of injury. The run game 263 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: was essentially non existent on design runs when you needed 264 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: to run the ball to win football games. So I, 265 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, Pop, as I look at it through that, 266 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it through that lens. You know, what 267 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: what is it that they can do? Who is it 268 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: that can go and can stay? You mentioned Filer. It's 269 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: just seems so obvious if you can get Trey Pipkins 270 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: figure that out. To kick Jamari inside he's your guard. 271 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: And now you've got a whole line with you know, 272 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: three rookies and two vetter and you know, that's an 273 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: affordable offensive line now moving forward for the next couple 274 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: of years, and a good offensive line, you know, Restructuring Bosa, 275 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: you know, probably drafting two maybe three bass ructures to 276 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: try to get some depth in that room. You know, 277 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: makes sense keeping Khalil and hoping that Rump can get 278 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: healthy and take you know, all the like. That's sort 279 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: of the way I'm trying to view you know, free 280 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: agents or you know, the restructuring. Who gets to say 281 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: who goes and what to draft? And and you mentioned 282 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Gerald Everett. To me, that seems obvious. I just think 283 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: that's and look, a lot of it is going to 284 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: depend on how the draft breaks. But we've heard everybody 285 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: say it. It's a great tight end draft, Chris, We've 286 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: talked about it repeatedly. You know, I have not been 287 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: bashful about my Dalton Kincaid Bias, haven't called that one 288 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: game that it was the greatest tight end game in 289 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: the history of the clubhouse guy, right exactly. I was 290 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: in after I was getting on the plane home, texting Talasco, 291 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: not really like, hey, I got your guy. He just 292 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: absolutely destroy USC. So you know, look there's tight ends 293 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: that they can draft, and I think that's an if 294 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: you want to shift there or whatever. You know, maybe 295 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm jumping it here, you know, when it comes to 296 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: that first round pick, it it just seems like maybe 297 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: it all lays out all right for them the way 298 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: thish thing could break with what they have to do 299 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: and what might be available. I think the other thing 300 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: I'd add is injuries were such a big part of 301 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: what happened to this team last year, you know, and 302 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: I think I wrote it during the season. You know, 303 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: there's a difference to me between explanations and excuses. I 304 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: think people in the football world hate to, you know, 305 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about injuries because they view it as an excuse. 306 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: But for me as an objective observer, you know, trying 307 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: to explain what happened, like injuries were an explanation for why, 308 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, this team maybe didn't reach expectations throughout the season. 309 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: And I think there's a feeling that, you know, the 310 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Chargers want to see this product in its complete form, 311 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: and they don't feel like they really ever got to 312 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: see that last year. You know, Rashaun Slater never returned. 313 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: You know, one of the best left tackles inball. You 314 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: had Justin Herbert battling rib injuries all ye you had 315 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Keen and out, you had Mike Williams out. JC Jackson 316 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: goes down with an injury, you know, the defensive line 317 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: gets cleaned out, like it's you can go down the 318 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: list of all of these injuries that they had, and 319 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: so they felt like they build a really really good roster, 320 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl caliber roster last year and then never really 321 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: got to see it come to fruition now, like, obviously 322 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: you're not going to stay fully healthy across the board 323 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: all year. But I think we can all agree that 324 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: last year was crazy insane, you know, And so I 325 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: think that's factoring into how they're making some of these 326 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: decisions too, Like, hey, if we can pull some of 327 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: these levers and you know, kick the can down the 328 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: road a little bit, just to see this group play 329 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: together for a full season and see what they are 330 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: actually capable of. I think that's a big motivation here 331 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: and and sort of how they're going to build this 332 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: thing and move forward. But I agree, like, you know, 333 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: three positions that I would throw out, you know, I 334 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: feel like they need an edge rusher, feel like they 335 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: need a tight end, and I like I would add 336 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: a receiver, like I think you should be drafting. You 337 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: should be drafting a receiver early every single year when 338 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: you have justin Herbert, because you never know what weapon 339 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: is going to take the offense over the top, Like 340 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: you can never have have enough weapons. So I think 341 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: like tight end, wide, receiver, edge, those three. If you 342 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: can add those three pieces in the early rounds, I 343 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: think you're in in decent shape. If you can keep 344 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: the nucleus together, you know, by managing the cap in 345 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: a specific way. Popping your article, you mentioned some of 346 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: the guys that are free agents that they have to 347 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: take care of potentially we don't know exactly who they're 348 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: going to take care of. It sounds like in you know, 349 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I was just kind of reading between the 350 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: lines that did naz atonly maybe on his way to 351 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: test free agency and be on another team in twenty 352 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: twenty three? Is that accurate? And is Drew Tranquil? How 353 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: much of a priority is Drew Tranquil and bringing him back? Yeah? Well, 354 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: starting with this year at I think the way a 355 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Lohee Gilman played, and more importantly, how the defense played. 356 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: When a loohe Gilman got a lot of snaps and 357 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: was a starter, I think gives you a good indication 358 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: of like what they're feeling about this safety group. You know, 359 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Nas always had a ton of talent and just never 360 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: really read the level that I thought he was capable of. 361 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, we all saw the ball production that he 362 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: had at Delaware, but there was just some inconsistencies there, 363 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: lapses at certain times, whether that was in run defense 364 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: and coverage and how he was taking angles. Never became 365 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: the playmaker that I thought he was capable of. And 366 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Alo he did a lot of those things. He's not 367 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: the same, you know as the sire Atalie in terms 368 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: of physical talent, but he's an extremely smart player, physical 369 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: and dependable, and so I think they're really comfortable rolling 370 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: with Derwin and Aloe next year at safety, and then 371 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: I think they're expecting a huge jump from J. T. Woods. 372 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, he has every tool in the toolbox. You know, 373 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: obviously we saw him a little bit last year, but 374 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: I think they're hoping that year one to year two 375 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: there's going to be a huge jump there. So I 376 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: think in terms of safety, you know, they're pretty comfortable 377 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: with that, you know. For me, like, I think that 378 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins is a great player, Like I really do. 379 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: Like it was he finally realized, you know, it took 380 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: four years, but he finally realized what Tom and his 381 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: staff saw when they drafted him. And his first season 382 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: was my first season covering the team he had been 383 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: drafted in, you know, end of April. I'd started covering 384 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: the team, you know, that July. And so I've seen, 385 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: like I've seen him grow and it's just I give 386 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: him so much credit for you know, making the decision 387 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: to go to Dallas and working with Duke many Weather 388 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: and really like molding himself in his game to become 389 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: a starting caliber tackle. And like those are always the 390 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: players that Tom Talesco likes to reward, you know, being 391 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: tough of playing through an MCLA and still being like 392 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: a starting caliber player when he had you know, three 393 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: different setbacks when he kept getting rolled up on that 394 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: left knee, like and before he got hurt, he was 395 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: playing at a super super high level. And so like 396 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a guy that you'd want to resign. 397 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: But again, it's all gonna you know, come down to 398 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: how much space they have. And the same thing with 399 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: Drew Right fourth round pick um. You know, they felt 400 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: like he could develop into a real leader, vocal leader. 401 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: They felt like he could develop into like, you know, 402 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: an all around Mike linebacker who would be that that 403 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: captain the defenses, which is what he turned into this 404 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: season when he became the signal caller in Week four 405 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: and held to that role. You know, there is no 406 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: real weakness in his game. In my opinion. He can 407 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: rush the passer, he's great in coverage. I think he's 408 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: a discipline run defender. His size shows up a little 409 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: bit in that area. But like if you want to 410 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: knock him in one area would be that. But I 411 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: think he's a really reliable player. The question is, like, 412 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: can you clear enough space to bring those two guys back, 413 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: Like they're both going to have markets out here, especially 414 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins as a starting tackle, and so like we 415 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: just have to wait and see, honestly, to see what 416 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: the cap space situation is, what those guys markets end 417 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: up being, and if the Chargers can fit them into 418 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: the cap sheet and if they think that they can 419 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: have a solution without bringing those guys back. You know, 420 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: I think they could potentially have a solution for Drew. 421 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: You know, they have some guys in the roster, and 422 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can play with more defensive backs and 423 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: do different things to take some of the value away 424 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: from the inside linebacker. But like right tackles a really 425 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: important position. It's okay, Like you don't resign Trey, you 426 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: kicked Jamari out there, Sallier, Does that mean you have 427 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: to keep Matt Filer at left guard? That means you 428 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: can't clear the six and a half million dollars in 429 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: space you know they're in. Then you end up going 430 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole. So but I think both of 431 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: them are really good play and deserve second contracts wherever 432 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: they end up. I think, you know, for me, I 433 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, I totally understood when Kaiser left Lush Drews 434 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: like I'd get it, you know, I get it. But 435 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: for me, Drew is I would hate to see him go. 436 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: You know, we had a front row seat for the 437 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: difference between athletic traits and instincts at that position, and 438 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: you want to talk about a glaring difference. That is 439 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: a position where instincts are the premium, and you better 440 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: have him because if you don't wholly hell does it 441 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: get ugly in a hurry, and they will attack the 442 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: heck out of you. And we saw it. We saw 443 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: it in that second half, and I think to be 444 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: able to keep him around, you know, that's I think 445 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: you can just talk about the floor of a defense, 446 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: right if that the floor can drop out in a hurry, 447 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: if if that position is not quick to diagnose, you 448 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: can really attack it. And so, like you said, Daniel, 449 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: the trick is going to be what's his market He's 450 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Drew got offered some 451 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: money somewhere else and and the Chargers got to figure 452 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: out how to get as close to it as possible. 453 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, he started his family here. I think he 454 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: likes it here, and I think it's trying to find 455 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: that that spot where where you can make it work. 456 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: Trade to me is obvious. We've heard Tom say it, 457 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, there's he said it repeatedly. Almost nobody in 458 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: the NFL has two starting caliber tackles. If you just 459 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: go through rosters, there's almost no teams that have two 460 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: good tackles. They have one and then it's like, okay, yeah, 461 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: we can get by with this one and we'll just 462 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: shade our help that way and we'll run plays away 463 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: from when you can have two, it really changes the calculus. 464 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: So even though you'd feel good about putting Shamari over there, 465 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: I think to me it to be able to And 466 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: it goes back to our conversation we had Chris about 467 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck podcast and what Tom got to witness, 468 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, and how important offensive line is and the 469 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: fact that they ignored that position repeatedly in Indianapolis or 470 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: swung and miss repeatedly in Indianapolis, and what it meant 471 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: like to me. Priority on get justin figured out. Priority 472 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: two is make sure he's good up front. Let's make 473 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: sure that we keep our guy right, especially after shoulder 474 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: surgery and a rib injury. Let's when when Corey Lindsley 475 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: went out of the game. Let's make sure our old 476 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: line is right. So I think I think you hit 477 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: it on the head, Pop. I think at nas, I 478 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: just don't see it. Trey is gonna be priority one. 479 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: I think Trank will be priority two. And then we 480 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: got to get into you know, is it possible to 481 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: bring back Morgan Fox, Kyle van Noy, like, are those possibilities? 482 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: What's the market going to look like for those guys 483 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: who seemed to really enjoy their time here as well. 484 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Money real quick on Trey before you answer, paper, it 485 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: would be a real shame if the Chargers wouldn't get 486 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: something done with Trey after develop or developing him and 487 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: investing so much in him as a young raw player, 488 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: right to see him flourish this year and then go 489 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: somewhere else and flourish for another team on a pretty 490 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: big contract. It would it would be tough, I think 491 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: for the Chargers to see him somewhere else after they 492 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: invested a third round pick on a small school kid. 493 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: No way that it was gonna take some time. He 494 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: finally figures it out, and then he goes somewhere else. 495 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: That would be tough. I mean, it's it's just math, 496 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: you know. Look, the Raiders are sixty million dollars under 497 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: the cap and can use the right tackle. You know, 498 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: if they decide they're gonna give him twenty million bucks 499 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: a year, it makes it hard, you know, when you're 500 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: already twenty million. That's the problem is, like I just said, 501 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: teams don't have quality tackles. So Trey's gonna hit the 502 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: market and Tray's gonna gonna assuming I'm not gonna get offers, 503 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: no doubt that. I just say it's gonna be. It's 504 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna be tough, to tough, pill to swallow. Right, what 505 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: are the Bears one hundred and ten million bucks under 506 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: the cap or something? I mean, the Bears need to 507 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: rebuild an entire offensive a ton of money, That's what 508 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's yeah, and he's an ascending player too, exactly, 509 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: not like you're paying for a thirty year old finished 510 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: product like Trays. Right, Tray's best football is still in 511 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: front of him because he's playing through this injury last year. 512 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: If you get like an even remotely healthy season out 513 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: of him, it's gonna be even better than he was 514 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: last year. He's gonna be what he was in the 515 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: first four weeks of the season. Now here's an interesting 516 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: one because, and look, is it fair to Tray, No, 517 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: but franchise tag is not for tackles. It's for a lineman, 518 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: and it averages out across the entire offensive line. So again, 519 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how he would respond to that. But 520 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: you tag him and you're talking about a year at 521 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what the number is it's like maybe 522 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen million bucks, and it's again not fair. Probably 523 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: would not go over well in the Pipkins camp. But 524 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: to me, that's like everyone's talking about franchise tag. That's 525 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: one that I would would keep it. I could probably 526 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: type it in right now and try to figure out 527 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: what that number is, but I'm pretty sure if I 528 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: remember right, I do believe that's the way the NFL 529 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: franchise tag works. It is not tackle guard, center, it 530 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: is offensive line. Is the franchise number. So okay either way, though, 531 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: if you tag a player that salary is all cap hit, right, 532 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: and they don't like you don't They don't have the 533 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: space to take on a thirteen million dollar capit, a 534 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: twelve million dollars for a point and eleven million dollar capit, 535 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Like they're better off extending him, give me him a 536 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: four year deal, getting a four million dollar capit in 537 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: year one, restructuring it in the back, you know, give 538 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: them the signing back. That's the game they're playing now. 539 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Like they don't have like t the way Brown franchise 540 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: here by the Chiefs. That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no, No, 541 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: Tea might get franchised again. Who knows. Yeah, with what 542 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: the tyle market is, I don't know. I'm fascinated to 543 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: see what trades market ends up being, you know, because 544 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: they maybe we overvalue them here because we saw the development. 545 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: It's very possible. Yeah, yeah, And I think, like you know, 546 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: for people on the outside, it will be difficult to 547 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: separate the performance from the injury. I think for us, 548 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: like we know what he was dealing with, and we're 549 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: factoring that context into like, Okay, yeah, he gave a 550 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: couple pressures in this game, but he can barely move 551 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: his left leg, and like the fact that he's playing 552 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: so well in pass protection despite that is really impressive. 553 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if that context, you know, really factors 554 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: in at a high level and when other teams are 555 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: sort of evaluating a guy on film, but maybe maybe 556 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: they do. Maybe they do that type of due diligence, 557 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: so they could probably various from team to team. But yeah, 558 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: like this is why you end up bringing up guys 559 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: like Khalil Mack, like Keenan Allen where you have a 560 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: potential to save money and save cap space because the 561 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: mats starts to get very difficult when you talk about 562 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: resigning some of these guys. You know, whether it's Trey, 563 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: whether it's true, whether it's Kyle Van Noy, Morgan, Fox, 564 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Bryce Callan, all key contributors and starters in this team 565 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: last year. How many of those guys are end up 566 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: back next year? I mean, here's your you know, it's 567 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: thirty one for Joey. That's an obvious restructure that's going 568 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: to happen. Khalil twenty seven four, Keenan twenty one seven, 569 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: Mike nineteen, JC just got signed. There's way too much 570 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: dead money there unless you restructure it and you try 571 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: to rebuild that things. That one is risking to me 572 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: because they have no idea how he's going to respond 573 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: for the century. So the one that they could do 574 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: is Sebastian because that's more of a known quantity, and 575 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: you feel like, yeah, nine million, he's got two two 576 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: years left. At a high level, I think that's like 577 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: a safer bet than saying, Okay, we're gonna restructure JC. Yeah, 578 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: and a race our ability to get out of that 579 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: contract after next year if you come there back. You know, 580 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: so what about what about mac in restructure? Do you 581 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: think that's a possibility. You said there was some guaranteed 582 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: money already there. Right. Yeah, again, like if they are, 583 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: if they're shifting how they operate, then anything is possible. 584 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: If they're really going down this road of like we're 585 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: going to keep this window open. I know Tom hates 586 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: using that turn, but if we're going to keep this 587 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: window open with this group as long as possible, then 588 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: anything's on the table, you know, from a in terms 589 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: of like you know, financial responsibility, like restructuring a contract 590 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: year over year a year is how you end up 591 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: in a situation where you have a ton of dead 592 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: money and it gives you less flexibility in terms of 593 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: moving on from a player. And so in Khalil's case, 594 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, they restructured it last year. They spread you know, 595 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: thirteen and a half million over three years. That created 596 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: nine million over the final two years of the deal 597 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: and dead money that they would now have to wear 598 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: against their cap if they were to move on from 599 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: Khalil this offseason. If they hadn't restructured it, there would 600 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: have been no dead money and they could have gotten 601 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: out of the deal and had had nothing charged against 602 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: the cap. And so that's sort of how that works. 603 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: So right now it's a nine dead my charge if 604 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: they turned more base salary and to signing bonus and 605 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: spread it over the final two years of the deal. 606 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: They'll be even more dead money than nine million dollars. 607 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: And then eventually you have to wear that money against 608 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: the cap, you know, and like four apps continues to 609 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: go up right like that. That's where you get the 610 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: relief is you know, we just had the cap jump. 611 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: It was it sixteen million this last year or something 612 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: like that. Then the granted a lot of that was 613 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: built into the COVID and slowly getting that escalator. But 614 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: I think we have one more big money deal coming in, 615 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, to the league. So that's the other thing 616 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: to remember is you can and that's why these quarterback 617 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: numbers that are nuts. And you know if Joe, if 618 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: just an average is fifty million a year, what forty 619 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: eight million, that number is just going to grow. So 620 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to be as big of a percentage 621 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: and as big of a concern. And that's why I like, 622 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: you know, you look at the Patrick Mahomes contract and 623 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: it's just like it seems so ridiculous when it was done, 624 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: but now you look at the percentage of the cap 625 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: and it's you end up getting away with it. So 626 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: that's you know, where where it all comes in. But 627 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: I think you said something earlier, Pop that that people 628 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: need to remember is guaranteed money asked to go into escrow, 629 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: and you've got and we know what the check is 630 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: gonna look like going into escrow for Justin Herbert this offseason. 631 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: You know, the Spanos family is going to have to 632 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: write a one hundred and fifty hundred and whatever that 633 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: number's gonna be, you know, you know, one hundred and 634 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars. I don't know what the guaranteed money's 635 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: gonna be, but it's gonna be in that range. You know, 636 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one money. Yeah, I think I projected 637 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: it like one hundred thirty five FILLI guaranteed it's signing, 638 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: so that yeah, that's gotta you gotta have that. You've 639 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: got to have that money. It's just the it's it's 640 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: a ridiculous rule that the NFL won't get rid of 641 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: because owners can hide behind it and say, well, come on, 642 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: I can't give you two hundred and sixty million guaranteed 643 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: because I gotta write a check into escrow. And that's 644 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: how they kind of play that game. But they should 645 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: lose it. The league makes waste too much money. Now 646 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: that freaking Washington is going to sell their team for 647 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: seven billion dollars, it's like it doesn't matter anymore like 648 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: it used to. Yeah, but that's that's the reality is. 649 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: You know, there are not many owners that can write 650 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: a check for two hundred and fifty million dollars, you know, 651 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: on Tuesday in April and just drop it into a 652 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: bank and never see it again. And that's and that's 653 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: the reality of the way this league operates. So that's 654 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: where a lot of it gets tricky when you're talking 655 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: about restructuring and converting salary into you know, bonus for 656 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack or Joey Bosa and as it as it 657 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, pairs with the signing bonus for Justin Herbert 658 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: that's coming this year. Pope. I appreciate you breaking that 659 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: down too, especially with with Khalil's situation what they did 660 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: in the first year of his deal with the Chargers 661 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: and how they kind of move some of that money around. Um, 662 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: and it just kind of puts them in this current position. Um. 663 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Filer, we talked about Keenan 664 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: and money to your point. Look at look at some 665 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: of the cap space. The Bears have ninety eight million 666 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: dollars in cap space, and look at the spot check 667 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: right now. Atlanta has sixty six million, The Raiders have 668 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: forty six million, The Giants who are in the playoffs 669 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: last year forty three million. New England has thirty six million, 670 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Cincinnati has thirty six million, Houston has thirty four million, 671 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Baltimore twenty five, Seattle twenty four. So there's a lot 672 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: of there's a lot of teams that well, a everyone 673 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: needs to tackle at all times, right, whether it's for 674 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: death purposes or to have a starter a guy like Drew. 675 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: You know, all those teams you can find a home 676 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: for Drew probably among those top ten teams with cap 677 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: space two. So it's an interesting offseason for the Chargers 678 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: because not much turnover will happen in terms of a 679 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of the starters. You're really gonna have to hit 680 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: on your draft picks and you're gonna have to be 681 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: very selective and free agency how you use that money. Yeah, 682 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: And I think the one thing about the NFL and 683 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: really any professional sports league is for fans to understand, 684 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: you know that your career is fleeting. It's a capricious 685 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: occupation because everything can change in one play. Yeah, so, 686 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, loyalty, there's just that it doesn't even it's 687 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: it's a word that doesn't belong in professional sports. You 688 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: just you can't afford to be loyal. You know, you 689 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: have to take the biggest check out there, especially in 690 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: football because of the way the contracts are structured, the 691 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: length of the contracts. Rarely will you find a team, 692 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, give you X number of years with a 693 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: giant number attached to it, unless you're a quarterback or 694 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: a super elite player. So for players like Trade and Drew, 695 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. You know, this is 696 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: your opportunity. You have made your way to the pot 697 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: of gold. You know, you've you've slid down that rainbow 698 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: and I know you enjoyed the ride. But the reality 699 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: is you almost never, I mean it is maybe one 700 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: percent of one percent will you see a player go 701 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: or stay somewhere because they really liked it instead of 702 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: taking the most money. You just so that's that's where 703 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: a lot of this when you're trying to kind of 704 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: put odds on it, you know, they may be a 705 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: little bit longer than charge your fans hope because it 706 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: is you know, it's very hard. They took their swing 707 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: last year, you know, and look, I credit and I 708 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: think that's something too that's important to remember if if 709 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: fans get upset, how can you let these guys walk 710 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: You're so cheap. They were not cheap last year. They 711 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: wrote giant checks last year because they felt like, we're ready, 712 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna take the swing. We think we can win 713 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. Let's go, you know, spend the money. 714 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: And they did, and now, you know, to your point, 715 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: pop to some degree, the Bills do this year because 716 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: of what they did last year. You know, it really 717 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: was a swing for twenty twenty two. It was a 718 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: huge swing. And I think the oil restructure is a 719 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: good example of that because they didn't have to do that, 720 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: but they cleared another nine million in space that they 721 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: ended up using to sign Gerald Everett and Conoy and 722 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Morgan Fox and Bryce Callahan. And how important were those 723 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: pieces to having the necessary depth, you know, to ride 724 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: through these injuries and still make the playoffs, you know, 725 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: because that would be my concern about how they're building 726 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: it this year is let's say, okay, we need rookie contrast, 727 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: because we need cheap, cheap players to add to his 728 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: cap sheet. Can you build the same kind of depth 729 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: that you built last year when he made some of 730 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: these really good bargain deals in the free agent market. 731 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you if you lean toward rookie contracts 732 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: as your depth pieces as opposed to veteran free agents 733 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: as your death pieces, there's an inherently a lot more 734 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: risk there because you don't know how that players you're 735 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of transition to the NFL. You know, you know, 736 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: Bryce had some injury, some injury history, you know, Kyle 737 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: van Noy, you know, we didn't fully expect, you know 738 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: what what he was gonna be able to do. But 739 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: it was a little bit more of a known quantity 740 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: than bringing in a fourth round draft pick to be 741 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: your third edge treasure or you know, a fifth round 742 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: pick to be your backup outside corner or whatever it 743 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: ends up being. You know, And so I feel like 744 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: it's inherently a little bit more risky to go that route, 745 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: But it's what they have to do, you know, It's 746 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: what they have to think the easy way to to 747 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: work that exercise, Poppets, Let's just look at last year. 748 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: You know. First round Zion great, Second round was Khalil great, 749 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: Third round, j T. Woods didn't play a lick. Fourth round, 750 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller doesn't play a lick. Fifth round, Tito great, 751 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, great, depth piece started to come on, became 752 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: a starter, gets hurt. Sixth round, Josh Sire you know, 753 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: and Jamari you know, and you get one really giant 754 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: contribution and one solid contribution, and then Dean Leonard it is, 755 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, and four author you know, very small contributors 756 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: or you know, solid. So I think that's what you 757 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: can expect from a draft, right, and that was probably 758 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: really good. I think what you got out of the 759 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: draft last year was probably higher than you should expect. Now, 760 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: look at what the Chief scott four defensive starters, but 761 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous like that, you know what the Jet Scott, 762 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: what the Seahawks scot that that's an outlier. Yeah. So 763 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: I think sixteen starts at left tackle out of your 764 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: six round pick, I think, yeah, that's a huge win. Yeah. 765 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: So I think it's when you look at the draft 766 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: this year, they're not going to get any compensation picks 767 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: because of all the free agents they signed last year. 768 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: So their seven picks are their seven picks. I would 769 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: not be surprised in the least to see them try 770 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: to add more if that's what you're talking about. Pop. 771 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: I know Talsco does not trade down a lot, but 772 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's a real I think that might be 773 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: a real possibility. If you're talking about trying to build depth, 774 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: you want more bites at the apple. So I think 775 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: this could be one of those years where hey, yeah, 776 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: I'd love to take the speed receiver here. It's not 777 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: a great wide receiver class. I don't know what kind 778 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: of run we're going to see. You know, do you 779 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: feel like you can get that tight end by trading 780 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: out of twenty one in the second round? Maybe Musgrave 781 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: slides back there or something like, you know what I 782 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: mean as opposed to Mayor or Kinkaid or I wouldn't 783 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: be surprised if they take that approach, you know, to 784 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: just to try to rebuild that depth and reset that 785 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: cap number. But as you said, that's a huge gamble 786 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: with how much talent they have on this team right now, 787 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: the age of that talent and kind of where they 788 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: see themselves in the in the pecking order in the AFC. 789 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: All right, guys, is the official hospitality provider of the NFL. 790 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: On Location offers unrivaled access to experience all mere NFL 791 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: events like never before. 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Khalil did play the entire season. 808 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: Those guys are turning, let's say, for the sake of 809 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: this conversation, both those guys return, you're still very light 810 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: at edge rusher. Behind those guys, do you think it 811 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 1: may be worth looking at edge rusher in the first 812 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: round knowing that you can't get a guy in free 813 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: agency that that's going to make that big of an 814 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: impact with the money situation, UM, looking at what the 815 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: edge rusher class looks like in that first round, in 816 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: the mid to late first round, do you think that 817 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: may be worth a gamble to go after a pass rusher? Absolutely? Yeah, 818 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: I think any anyway, with three positions in the first round, 819 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: I think they can do tight end, wide receiver, edge 820 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: like those are the three places that I think they 821 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: can go. Um, there should be some options there. I mean, 822 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: it sort of depends how it falls. As a guy 823 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: like Lucas VanNess At at an Iowa fall that far. Typically, 824 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, when you get closer to the draft, these 825 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: edge rushers end up going earlier than you expect because 826 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: you know Money was saying everyone's looking for a tackle, 827 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: everyone's also looking for an edge rusher, you know, and 828 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: tackle right exactly, and so they end up getting I 829 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: don't want to say overdrafted, but maybe they go ahead 830 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: of where people expect um. So just it depends on 831 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: how it checks out. But like, I think it's usually 832 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: a good indication of roster health when you can say, okay, 833 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: we can go any of three positions in the first round, 834 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, versus like we need this position, which has 835 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: been the case with this team in the past, like 836 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: the year they drafted rashawns Later and Assante in the 837 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: first two rounds, like they had to go tackle corner, 838 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: like they whatever, you know, order it ended up being 839 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: those two positions they had to get in the first 840 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: two rounds. We got big hits, Yeah, both big hits. 841 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: I mean one of them was, you know, a five 842 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: hundred foot home run and the yeah yeah, and then 843 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: grand Slam bottom of the nine. Yeah. And Asante does 844 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: a lot of things really well. And he's a flawed player, 845 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: but you know, a lot of cornerbacks are flawed. I 846 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: think he's he's perfectly fine. He's a great number two corner. 847 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, like you don't want to be in that situation, 848 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: situation if you can avoid it. I think a lot 849 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: of teams will always be like best player available. But 850 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: it's that to me, is a myth. Like every team 851 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: has needs, you're hoping that you can address any of 852 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: a few needs in those early rounds and have some 853 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: versatility in terms of how you go about it. Edge 854 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: to me is in that conversation because you need to 855 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: have a backup plan in case one of those two 856 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: guys is not there, because we saw what happened last 857 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: year and yeah, Kylevin I picked it up down the stretch. 858 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: He played is that, you know, played outstanding football down 859 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: the stretch, but it took him a while to get 860 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: there and to get into his comfort zone. And you know, 861 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: if you look at the season as a whole, like 862 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: the pressure numbers weren't really there, especially from the edge 863 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: rushing group, and so I think they have to add 864 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: an edge rusher early on in this draft because you 865 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what Chris Rump is going to be 866 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: and you need to have depth and a contingency plan 867 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: at that position, you know, which I brought this up 868 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: pop a couple of weeks ago, and in just watching 869 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: Philadelphia that had the greatest pass rush that we've seen 870 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: in thirty years, seventy sacks in it being completely nullified 871 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: by Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and the Super Bowl. 872 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I just don't care. I 873 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: just you know if that's because you know, we talked about, Look, 874 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: you've got grades on players, and the Chargers are going 875 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: to go into the draft with probably seventeen or fifteen 876 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: or maybe if it's a really good draft, twenty first 877 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: round grades. And that's where needs come in. When you 878 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: talk about best pair player available, they're going to end 879 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 1: up having seven or eight players that have almost identical grades. 880 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: And that's how needs come into play. Right, So technically 881 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: they can still say, yeah, we're taking the best player available, 882 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: but we had all of these guys lined up very 883 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: very close to one another, and we need the edge, 884 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: or we need the receiver, we need the tenants. We 885 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: plucked that particular player. But I said, I would just 886 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: load up on offense. I think, you know, I like 887 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: to me, I would much rather with what they have 888 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: on offense with Herbert, with the offensive line, with Keenan 889 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: and Austin Eck. Just give me more offense, give me 890 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, give me an up unstoppable offense versus trying 891 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: to plug this hole on defense that I know ultimately 892 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: is probably going to be taken advantage of because of 893 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: the rules and because of Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes 894 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: and Josh Allen quarterbacks that you're gonna have to go through. 895 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna it's almost impossible to build a defense to 896 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: stop them. Like, I just that that's sort of the 897 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: way I feel the NFL has shifted and the way 898 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: the game is gone. It is so hard to slow 899 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: these elite quarterbacks down that I would rather make sure 900 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: the offense has every single weapon available to just freaking 901 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: heavy way fight heymaker it out and see if you 902 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: can win that game like the Chiefs did with your 903 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: opponent's scoring thirty in the Super Bowl, you know. Like 904 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: to me, that's I just think with Burrow and Mahomes 905 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: and Allen and all of these guys in this conference, Like, honestly, 906 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: how realistic is it that your defense is going to 907 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: is going to keep all of them like they, Oh, 908 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna build a defense to slow those guys down 909 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: round after round after round. To me, I'd rather just 910 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: build the offense. That's like, hey, let's go, let's just 911 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: see how this plays out. Roll the ball out, and 912 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: let's see what we can do. Yeah, you know, she's 913 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: also lost Super Bowl because they couldn't protect bat you Mahomes, 914 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: so right, you know, friends, that's what I mean, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 915 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I still I mean maybe 916 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: it was me, you know, growing up watching those Giants 917 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: teams with us see you and your Michael Strahan, and 918 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: that was how I go. Yeah, but I like, yeah, no, 919 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: I forty nine ers got there, but ultimately, you know, 920 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: they ended up losing, you know. And and yes, the 921 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: two years ago Mahomes got destroyed by that Tampa front 922 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: in the in the Super Bowl. But how explosive was 923 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: that offense with Tom Brady? You know, I mean that 924 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: thing was paired with an offense that was a wrecking machine. 925 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I like, and that's not me saying 926 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: ignor the defense. I'm just saying, Hey, if I'm sitting 927 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: at twenty one and I'm Tom and I see you 928 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: know either, hey, we really here's here's our first round grades. 929 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: We've got a first round grade on Kincaid. We've got 930 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,919 Speaker 1: a first round grade on Breefe or whatever edge is there. 931 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: We've got a first round grade on Addison. Give me 932 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: the offensive player. I would just much rather take the 933 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: offensive player there and try to find that defensive player 934 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: in the next round. I like to me, I'd rather 935 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: make the offense ye whole as possible. Yeah, I think 936 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: you're making points. What's your take on? Hold on, let 937 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: me say this very quick. Go for it money. Make 938 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: your case to the uh, the defensive play calling head coach, 939 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: and let me know what he says about about that strategy. Um, honestly, 940 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: like you know what I would say, Hey, man, coach 941 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: him up, coach him up. You know, offense wins in 942 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: this league. Defense is expected to be coached up. And 943 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: you see it, right, look at look, here's my case 944 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: to it. Here's my coach case to coach Staley. Uh, 945 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: let's look at Seattle. You know where where was Tarik 946 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: wool And drafted? You know, and he ends up getting coach. 947 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the the Chiefs. You got four starters 948 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 1: on defense, and yeah, two of them were first rounders, 949 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: but they're late first rounders, and Carloftis and McDuffie and 950 00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: and then you had a guy in a sixth round 951 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: that's starting a secondary They figured out how to coach 952 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: him up. You know. Let's let's let's go to Philadelphia, 953 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: like coach him up, dude, because you know I'll give you. 954 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an offense. That's if I give 955 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: you an offense, that's it's it's almost like the Big twelve. Right, Hey, 956 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an offense that can score X 957 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: number of points. You know what I need out of you? 958 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: I need two stops. That's all I need. If you 959 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: can give me two stops, we're gonna win a game. 960 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: And um, I know DJ's been talking about it a lot, 961 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 1: and I remember here, I was sitting at the table 962 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: when he said it. You know, going into that Chief's game, 963 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley said, if we can hold him to seven 964 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: a quarter, we got a chance to win. That's saying, Hey, 965 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up twenty eight points to the Chiefs, 966 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna feel good about that because we got 967 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: justin Herbert and I expect our offense to score thirty one. 968 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's like, to me, that's just a 969 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: very realistic approach to Now, you have to defeat the 970 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: king of the King of the hill, the king that's 971 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: in your that's they always say draft like that, that 972 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: it's impossible. Like Tom says, this all the time when 973 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: he's asked, when he's interviewed. When he was with the Colts, Yeah, 974 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: we drafted for our division and teams drafted to stop us. 975 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: So if you're drafting for your division, what do you 976 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: think the right like I'm asking. I'm not saying that 977 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: my answer is right. I'm just saying, if you're drafting 978 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: for your division, what do you think is the right 979 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: approach to knock the Chiefs off the perch? Is it 980 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: more defense or is it making Herbert more lethal? Like, 981 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: I don't know that yet. That's my opinion what the 982 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: answer is. I don't know what yours is. I don't 983 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: know what the right answer is. Yeah, my opinion, I'm 984 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: with you. I think you invest offensively and just keep 985 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: getting as many weapons, whether that's weapons to protect us 986 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: and Herbru on the offensive line, or weapons to attack 987 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: downfield in the passing game. But I think you have 988 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: a head coach who believes that if he has the 989 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: right pieces and the right game plan, that he can 990 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: stop the Chiefs, and so I think that's going to 991 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: be a factor in how they make decisions here as 992 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: far as like drafting or building a team to play 993 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes. Sorry, Chris, that's his 994 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: scheme though, right he believes in his scheme. Yeah, yep, exactly. 995 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: So scheming up coach scheme it up popa as would 996 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: be a running game. Yeah, okay, my answer would be 997 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: a running game besides Austin Ekeler, Like what a pacheco 998 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: do in the playoffs? Like, where do you find that guy? 999 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: Do you find him in the first round? Do you 1000 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: get if the kid from Texas is there at twenty one? 1001 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: You'll do it? Never in a million years, So I 1002 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: drafted running back in the first round. I apologize to 1003 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 1: Austin and all running backs out there. I enjoy watching 1004 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: you guys play, But if I'm running a team, I 1005 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: would never, ever, ever, ever who's the answer running back 1006 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: in the first round? I'll make a counterpoint to that. Okay, okay, 1007 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 1: what do we talk about with Jackson? Though Austin Eckler 1008 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 1: rush for negative three yards, Jean Robinson is a special player. 1009 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is we're not talking about, Hey, this 1010 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: is the number one running back on the board. We're 1011 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: talking about Sequon Barkley. We are talking about Zeke Elliott. 1012 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: Like that's the level of this guy coming out of college. 1013 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: You know, so if you feel like you're there, like 1014 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: if if you feel like, hey, we're gonna be able 1015 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,399 Speaker 1: to bring back Trey. We've got this offensive line now, 1016 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: Slater is going to be healthy, Slater, Sawyer, Lindsley, Zion, 1017 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: Trey is upfront. We've kept all three receivers. We feel 1018 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: good about getting a receiver in the second round. I 1019 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: am now going to drop in a three down do everything, 1020 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: hammer between the tackles, catches the ball out of the backfield, 1021 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: wiggle when he gets into open space. Like that's that's 1022 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: where it comes into the conversation. If it's by the way, 1023 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: it makes your franchise quarterback even more lethal. Yeah, I mean, 1024 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: like to me, Pop, the reason you do it is 1025 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: if you believe it's the final piece, Like we've got 1026 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: everything else. Yes, so let's drop Robinson in there and 1027 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: so like that's I think that's where maybe you can 1028 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: make a case if a top across the board, everybody 1029 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: you ask says this is a top five player in 1030 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: the draft. Did the talent wise, like this is the 1031 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,239 Speaker 1: best running back we've seen come out? Probably? I mean 1032 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: since say que like that's how talented he is? Like 1033 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 1: there there has not been anyone that's been remotely close 1034 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: to this talented. He's all Popper's board. No, it's not 1035 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: that he's I agree with what Money's saying. If you 1036 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: feel like you're a running back away, that's what I'm saying. 1037 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: This roster's not a running back, then that's that's the end. 1038 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: That's not you know, like they have to be able 1039 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: to block at tight end for running back to have 1040 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: any sort of impact like that, to me is a 1041 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: more important position to draft than than running back. You know, 1042 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, but they also drafted a running 1043 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: back in the fourth rond last year, who's the youngest 1044 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 1: player in the draft, and they're so waiting to see 1045 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: what he's going to be, right, we should have seen 1046 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: him in Week eighteen. And you know, I personally think 1047 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 1: that that Josh Kelly is an ascending player, Like I don't. 1048 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: I just don't feel like they're they're running back away. 1049 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: And I don't think that a running back individually can 1050 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: affect the game without help like you need, Like you 1051 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: can be the most counted running back in the world, 1052 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: but if you can't block chargers, do the chargers have 1053 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 1: that help help? I don't know. I don't I'm not 1054 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: confident in how they can block it tight end. We 1055 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: don't know if Trey Pipkins is going to be back. 1056 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: And then I also feel like, listen, Jamari saw you 1057 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: was did a commendable job last year. We have not 1058 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: really seen him play guard. We saw it a little 1059 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: bit in training camp. And it's not like he was 1060 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,479 Speaker 1: like an all pro player at left tackle either, And like, listen, 1061 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: super commendable job to be able to be a functional 1062 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: player at left tackle as a six round pick when 1063 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: no one expected it from you. I give him a 1064 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: ton of credit, but it's not like he was this excellent, 1065 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: excellent player out there. He was. He was serviceable, right, 1066 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: And I think we've gotten ahead of ourselves in terms 1067 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: of what he actually was out there. Like he did 1068 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: have some issues against faster rushers with his movement skills, 1069 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: the stuff that people said, hey, we don't think this 1070 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: is like, this is why we don't think he can 1071 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: play tackle in the NFL. He proved a lot of 1072 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: that wrong with just his positioning, his strength and all 1073 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I don't think it's a shoe. 1074 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: And to be like, Okay, you throw Jamari at at 1075 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: left guard and bring Trey Pipkins back, and this is 1076 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna be like an elite run blocking unit. You know, 1077 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: obviously having Rashaan back is a big deal. But I 1078 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: don't know because of some of those concerns, I don't 1079 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: know if this offense and this team in general is 1080 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: like one star running back away from being like, you know, 1081 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: a super Bowl team. I'm like I said, I was 1082 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: just asking, yeah, But to me, that's that's where the 1083 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: value of Robinson comes in. Yeah, if you drop him 1084 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: onto a team that's ready, he's he's going to be 1085 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: a lethal weapon. Is it has to be addressed. It 1086 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,439 Speaker 1: has to be addressed at some point this year because 1087 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: because the first two years Brett has been the head coach, 1088 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: they have not been able to run the ball effectively 1089 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: outside Austin neck CLOrk. So you know, we we spent 1090 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: all that first year saying, is it gonna be Justin Jackson? 1091 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: Is gonna be Josh mcklly. These guys have been hurt 1092 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: this past year, you know, you know, Josh got hurt, 1093 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: but Josh had some nice moments. We didn't see Isaiah 1094 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: Spiller at all, so we don't really even know what 1095 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: he is right now as an NFL player, Um, they 1096 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: have to figure out something. So if it's not a 1097 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: superstar in the draft, do you get a guy in 1098 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: the third or fourth round like you've done the last 1099 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: couple of years or the last you know, maybe like 1100 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 1: two out of the last five years. Or do you 1101 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: get a veteran like a Leonard Fournette who was just 1102 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 1: released or you know, a Tony Pollard who is coming 1103 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: off an injury. Like what do you do? Because Kellen 1104 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: Moore has proven that he can run a really effective 1105 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: offense with two running backs and get the ball down 1106 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I mean, I I'm maybe, yeah, we 1107 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: might be far apart on this, but I'm pretty comfortable 1108 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: with the running back group. Like I don't look at Okay, 1109 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,799 Speaker 1: they couldn't run the ball last year, it's because of 1110 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: the running backs. Like, I think Austin's a really special player. 1111 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: I loved what I saw from Josh Kelly. And you 1112 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: have a really young player and Isaiah Spiller that you 1113 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: know they're hoping will make some huge jump from year 1114 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: one to year two, which I think is seven yards 1115 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: seven yards in the second half of a wildcard playoff 1116 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: game is unacceptable. Yeah, yeah, But pinning that exclusively on 1117 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: the running backs is I don't think fair to them, 1118 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: Like a lot of it's blocking. A lot of it 1119 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: is like the committee runs that were not successful all 1120 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: year long. Like that's so that's where look Popper Again, 1121 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: I was making more of a general argument for when 1122 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: you would draft the running back in the first round, 1123 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: as opposed to saying the Chargers should draft him at 1124 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 1: twenty one. I think it'd be interesting because if in fact, 1125 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: it'd be a great opportunity for Tom Talesco to prove, 1126 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we are a best player available team, because 1127 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: I can promise you if he is there at twenty one, 1128 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: there is not going to be a player that is 1129 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: considered better than him at twenty one. It's just not 1130 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,720 Speaker 1: going to happen. So that'll put that to the test. 1131 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: I would much rather see a Dalton Kincaid there, a 1132 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 1: Jordan Addison there, if they're available one hundred percent, you know, 1133 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: one of the edge rushers there, if one hundred percent, 1134 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,959 Speaker 1: like not not even close, is but but I would 1135 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: that would certainly put it to the test. Is if 1136 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,760 Speaker 1: he's let's just say there's Nolan Smith, Jordan Addison, Dalton 1137 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: Kincaid and Jehan Robinson are there Okay, well, now now 1138 00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: we're really putting that to the test. I don't know 1139 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: if you drafted the best player available. I suppose you 1140 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: drafted for need. Yeah. I think I think they feel 1141 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: like in terms of the running game, that Kellen Moore 1142 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: is going to be able to schematically and design wise 1143 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,479 Speaker 1: get that thing going in a way that I agree 1144 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: that Joe Lombardi was never able to from a commitment standpoint, 1145 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: play calling standpoint, how they're preparing, like all of that 1146 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: stuff was a big issue, um with Joe, and it's 1147 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,240 Speaker 1: a big reason why they moved on from him. Um, 1148 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna look different, there's gonna be a different commitment 1149 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: to it. And they're putting a lot on Kellen Moore's 1150 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: taking this offensive coordinator job as to why they think 1151 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 1: the running game you know, will improve and you know, 1152 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: having Rashaan Slater back at left tackle will help too. 1153 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: I think, Helse, do you think, hey, do you think 1154 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: Isaiah Spillard can be the guy? It's Austin not the guy. 1155 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: This guy's go twenty touchdowns and back to back. He's 1156 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: talking about a Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, I think 1157 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 1: for aust guy, I'm talking about what I'm talking about 1158 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,760 Speaker 1: a guy who can compliment Austin consistently so he's healthy. 1159 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: At the end of Josh can be that guy. Do 1160 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: you guys not think Josh can be that guy? I do? 1161 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: I do? I look, like I said, my big issue, like, 1162 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: I just don't understand what I don't know how many 1163 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: games we had Larry round treactive like that. That's something 1164 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: that'll never make sense to me. Never like the fact 1165 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: that Isaiah, especially in week eighteen. I just that that's 1166 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: one thing I cannot reconcile. I just I'll never understand 1167 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 1: the thinking behind that. And I know they keep saying, well, 1168 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: we didn't know the outcome of that game, you know 1169 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: when we had to turn in you know, our rosters. 1170 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: But they were up by ten with like six minutes 1171 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: left when you had to turn in your inactives. Yes, 1172 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: games can get weird or they were up by like 1173 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: fourteen or something. And it's like, I need to see 1174 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: what Isaiah Spiller can do, man, I need to see something. 1175 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: This is a perfect opportunity to get that and to 1176 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: keep Austin healthy. So I think, like, to me, it's 1177 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: not I look, it'd be ridiculous to doubt Austin. We've 1178 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,359 Speaker 1: talked about it all the time, the fact that he's 1179 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: not an all pros asinine, but you know, like to me, 1180 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 1: it's keeping him healthy for and I think that's what 1181 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,040 Speaker 1: even Austin has talked about. He's like, hey man, I 1182 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: need one of these guys to raise their hand because 1183 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: he gets the crap kicked out of them, you know. 1184 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 1: And and he we say it all the time, right, 1185 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,319 Speaker 1: he refuses to go down in first contact, so he 1186 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: really gets beat up through the course of a season. 1187 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: And you need to have a Tony Pollard Zeke Elliott 1188 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of deal I think with Austin to even make 1189 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: him more effective. Not to mention, if you're Kellen Moore, 1190 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: you think you've got to believe he wants to have 1191 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: him freaking set up in the slot or outside wide 1192 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,839 Speaker 1: of the numbers if he can have a hammer back 1193 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: there and now you're really affecting the math. I would 1194 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: love to see more of that, like we saw with Shane. 1195 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: I remember Shane would do it all the time and 1196 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: it was awesome. You know. You see that that linebacker 1197 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: trot out there with Austin, It's like, oh, you're dead, 1198 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, and it was I think you need to 1199 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: see some more of that. But I'm with you. I 1200 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: think it's on. I just don't think they know you 1201 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 1: know that, Like, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if 1202 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: they it's the like to me, Chris to your point, 1203 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't think the answers in the third round or 1204 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: the fourth round. They've already got enough of those guys. 1205 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,879 Speaker 1: Josh Kelly's that guy. Isaiah Spiller could be that guy. 1206 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: To me, it's it's, hey, do we believe we're close enough? 1207 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: Holy kle how did this guy fall into our lap? 1208 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: You know, that's where the conversation would come in. That's 1209 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: that's the only one. To me, I think this conversation 1210 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: would be a little bit different if Josh hadn't, you know, 1211 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: sprained his mcl on the kickoff return blocking in a 1212 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: week five and then missus four weeks Cleveland game, Like, yeah, 1213 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, I really have a lot of belief in 1214 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: him as a player from what I've seen, and then 1215 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 1: and then you can expect dramatic improvement from Isaiah Spiller, 1216 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: the youngest player in the draft, who now is a 1217 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 1: full offseason to get bigger. Like That's one thing Joe 1218 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: Lombardi talked a lot about when they draft him like 1219 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna take some time for him to fill into 1220 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: his body because he's twenty years old, you know when 1221 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: they drafted him. And so I'm I'm more comfortable with 1222 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: it than I think you guys are. Like, I think 1223 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: they have a decent room, and I think they've got 1224 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: a lot of potential in that room as well, where 1225 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: like you know, drafting another running back doesn't make a 1226 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,799 Speaker 1: whole ton of sense to me. But and you know what, Chris, 1227 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: you asked about Pacheco, Like Timmy, that's Josh Kelly. You know, Pacheco, 1228 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: straight line, straight line speed power. You're just gonna run 1229 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 1: you over. You know, you're not gonna not a lot 1230 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: of wiggle there, but you know, tell him where the 1231 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 1: hole is. You're gonna hit it and it's gonna be painting. 1232 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: He asked to bring him down. And that's what Pacheco was. 1233 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,720 Speaker 1: It's not like he was some sort of dynamic runner. 1234 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: You know that. You can't believe everybody missed on until 1235 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: the seventh round. The Chiefs used him perfectly for what 1236 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: they needed. And I think I'm with you, Poblok. I 1237 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: have no problems with the running back room. I just 1238 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: wish I knew more about it. Yeah, you know, I 1239 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: wish I That's that's my only issue that too. You know, 1240 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 1: I was so high on Isaiah Spiller just looking at 1241 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: what he did at A and M, you know, and 1242 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that we didn't see him this year 1243 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: was disappointing because now you go into year two and 1244 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: you're like, well, why why didn't he get more run? Like, 1245 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, especially if they had trouble running the football? 1246 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,080 Speaker 1: Why didn't he get more run last year? So you 1247 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of this offseason Pop is just gonna 1248 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: be kind of projection when it comes to um Spiller. 1249 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like, like we saw in Money, 1250 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,120 Speaker 1: and I sat down with Josh in training camp and 1251 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: he looked like a different dude. He was joking that 1252 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: he dropped the raising canes and you know, changed his 1253 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: diet and everything, and you could definitely see that, Yeah 1254 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: that was all real. He was not joking like he 1255 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,320 Speaker 1: did all like he himself. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, you're right, 1256 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: I think injuries basically the charges. They need to figure 1257 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: out what that plan is though week one and make 1258 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,640 Speaker 1: sure that that's a successful plane. Pop, let's just say, 1259 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, not being ridiculous, you know Jalen Carter's not 1260 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: fall into twenty one, but just give us a name, 1261 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: like who would you like to see it, like realistic, realistic, 1262 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 1: Who would you like to see a twenty one that 1263 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: you think could be there? Jordan Addison, Yeah, that's the guy. 1264 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm with you money, Like like the case 1265 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,920 Speaker 1: you were making about just add weapons, Just give me weapons, 1266 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 1: just invest in this offense. Because they tried to run 1267 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: this run the thing back year over year. They didn't 1268 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: really make a ton of changes. You know, they added 1269 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: Zion and Gerald Everett, but that was pretty much it. 1270 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: Like if you have a quarterback that's that good and 1271 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: you're in a division with Patrick Mahomes, like, just get weapons, 1272 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 1: elite weapons, and if the you know a lot of 1273 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 1: people have him as the top receiver on the board, 1274 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: if you can get him at twenty one, like got 1275 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 1: some big playability, can make some plays after the catch, 1276 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: like create some explosivity with your offense. Here's one you know, 1277 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,919 Speaker 1: that's what that's the direction. Now would go Yeah, all right, 1278 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: Chris Kincaide and Addison are both available at twenty one. 1279 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm taking the tight end, right, I think I'm 1280 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: taking kincaide. Yeah right, I get my own, give me, 1281 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,040 Speaker 1: give me my own Kelsey exactly. And look, it's stupid 1282 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: to say he's Travis Kelsey, whos arguably be going to 1283 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 1: go down as the greatest pass catching tight end of 1284 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: all time. But I'm with everybody talked about, oh what 1285 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: are you gonna do with Tyreek Hill? Gone, yeah, you 1286 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,400 Speaker 1: can't cover Travis Kelsey. You can't. It's not possible. And 1287 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: I think, um, but I just don't know if he's 1288 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, there there is a case for him to slide, right, 1289 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,560 Speaker 1: he's what twenty four, I think he's twenty four, twenty 1290 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: five had the injuries. But man, you look at that 1291 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 1: production and it's eight touchdowns, eleven touchdowns, eleven touchdowns, like 1292 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: sixteen touchdowns year after year after It's crazy what the 1293 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 1: production is. It's so Kelsey ask but I'm I'm with you, 1294 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: two pop. I think Addison of all the guys. You know, 1295 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: people are excited about the speed of Hyatt. It's little 1296 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: bit too much of a one trick pony. I'd be 1297 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: a little worried about that. And it's a one year deal. 1298 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: You know. The look if Lane Kiffin was still the 1299 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 1: head coach at at USC Addison would have had two 1300 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: hundred catches for six thousand yards. That's the way they 1301 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 1: can fend him, you know. But but Lincoln is more 1302 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,120 Speaker 1: of a coach that's fine with just telling Caleb Ay 1303 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: just wherever the open guy is, that's where you're gonna 1304 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: put it. So he didn't have that season, and I'm 1305 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,920 Speaker 1: hoping that leads him to get pushed down. I think 1306 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: Kim Kaid ends up getting drafted inside the top fifteen. 1307 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: I just I there's too much Travis Kelsey to his 1308 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,560 Speaker 1: game for that to happen. But I think you're right 1309 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: on Addison. I think that's I think that's a realistic 1310 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: fusibility that and a lot of it's gonna depend on 1311 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: what he runs. You know, if he runs in the 1312 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: low four fours, then zero chance. Um if he ends 1313 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: up being that high. You know, if that low four five, 1314 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe maybe watch out for tight end though 1315 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big part of this this offense 1316 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore is building thinking which they had in Dallas. 1317 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,919 Speaker 1: So like they need they need all like legit, all 1318 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: around tight ends that can play as run blockers, pass catchers, 1319 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: like that's gonna be a big point of emphasis while 1320 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 1: they build this offense. Guys, what's the drop off? What 1321 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 1: do you think to drop Maybe not drop off because 1322 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 1: there's kind of two different players, but Mayor from Notre 1323 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Dame versus Kincaid, You know what would your Mayor is 1324 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,919 Speaker 1: the full tight end Kincaid's he does the Kaids Travis Kelsey. 1325 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Mayor is more your Hackinson Um. You know, if you 1326 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: watch Mayor, he's he's great, but like it just it 1327 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 1: doesn't look like Kinkaid Kincaid. There's separation, there's no receivers, 1328 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 1: there's nobody around him, and they're trying to stop him, 1329 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you just it's like Kelsey. 1330 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, that's the guy you have to stop, 1331 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 1: and yet why is he wide open? Because that's just 1332 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,120 Speaker 1: how good he is. That's how Kincaid's been at Utah. Mayor, 1333 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, you put him on the edge and he 1334 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: can block, but when he catches the ball, there's guys 1335 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: around him and there's not that suddenness, and it's just 1336 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 1: he's still great. Hockinson is great. You know, he's a 1337 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,080 Speaker 1: great player. I just think that's at least that's kind 1338 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,439 Speaker 1: of how I would classify it is. I think that's 1339 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about. If you want to say, what's their ceiling, 1340 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,400 Speaker 1: I think it's Hawkinson Mayor and you know Kelsey Kincaid. 1341 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Those are the more of the style of tight we're 1342 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 1: talking about, and that's again ceiling. That's best case. It 1343 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 1: all works out perfectly for these first round tight ends. 1344 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I just think that's the style that you're talking about. 1345 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: Pop will get you out of here on this. We're 1346 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: not there in Indy. You are beyond the combine. Just 1347 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,520 Speaker 1: where are you eating? Are you doing a hops with pop? 1348 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,880 Speaker 1: You have a special Indianapolis beer that you're going to 1349 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: break out, like what's been going on at night in Indianapolis? 1350 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: That's where all the fun happens. Yeah, just you know 1351 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: you're schmoozing, well Prime forty seven Action, well, uh, Saint 1352 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Elmo's action. Too much steak, too much mashed potatoes. I 1353 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: need a salad. Someone please send me a salad. I 1354 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: forgot your lead beer guy. I mean, like, yeah, I 1355 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,200 Speaker 1: I but that's just that's that's just I like I 1356 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 1: like to have. Yeah, I'm not like a snobby like okay, 1357 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'll yeah, I like I drink bud light, Okay, 1358 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: and I feel like it, you know, so I'm not 1359 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,880 Speaker 1: like that snobby like, you know, but I like a 1360 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: good I PA. You know, there's a the best IPA 1361 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion or in the conversation in the world, 1362 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,320 Speaker 1: is based in Indiana. It is UH. And they cannot 1363 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: ship UH domestically. They can only stay in states that 1364 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: touch Indiana. So you can only get it if you're 1365 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, in Indiana or Kentucky or Illinois or Ohio 1366 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: or Wisconsin or Michigan. You get the point. Uh. It's 1367 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,760 Speaker 1: three floyds and it's called Zombie Dust. So I've had 1368 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,720 Speaker 1: while your while you're you've had it, I'm appreciate. Well, yeah, 1369 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: I would. I would imagine you could while you're or 1370 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Alpha King if you want to get something a little 1371 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 1: bit heavier, if you like the heavier ip and the 1372 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Alpha king is they're heavier. Zombie Dust is there kind 1373 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: of straight down the middle IPA Alpha kan Is they're 1374 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: a little heavier. All right, I'll keep an eye out 1375 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: for it. And you know what, space Station middle Finger 1376 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: also very good. That's another indie beer. That's another They're 1377 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: all three floyds, they're on a Monthster Indiana, Northwest Indiana. 1378 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,440 Speaker 1: All right, great, great stuff. I'll look it after that, huh. 1379 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: I will partner Popper best in the business, buddy. We 1380 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you. It's been in an hour with us, my goodness. Yeah, 1381 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: no problem. We had to catch up. We had a 1382 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 1: lot to get to and I'm sure we'll do it 1383 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: again soon. And guess what, we still don't know anything. 1384 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 1: We don't know what. 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