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Speaker 1: So we are back on by the show with normalist

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Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary,

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Speaker 1: Kathy aam.

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Speaker 2: And I am Carol Marco. It's how are you married, Katherine.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. I have a funny story from

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Speaker 1: our weird job, sort of mill you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At my kid's school, they're having a fundraising gala for

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Speaker 1: the like an anniversary of the school's founding, and the

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Speaker 1: woman who is running it is very organized, very together,

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Speaker 1: and I run into her at church and school, and

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Speaker 1: I inevitably run into her when I'm a hot mess,

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Speaker 1: like I'm just disorganized, I'm late. I have maybe three children,

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Speaker 1: maybe four children, we don't know, and who knows. Always,

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Speaker 1: like you can tell, she's always sort of scratching her

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Speaker 1: head about me, like what's this lady's deal. She messaged

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Speaker 1: me yesterday and said I've been asking around about who

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Speaker 1: should m see the gala and the only name I

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Speaker 1: got was yours.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, and I don't understand. She said, tell

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Speaker 2: me more about yourself.

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Speaker 4: She said, I didn't know you had public speaking skills,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, it's I'm not joking when

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Speaker 4: it's maybe the only thing I do well, so she

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Speaker 4: has to.

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Speaker 1: Be mystified like this woman she's like I was quite

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Speaker 1: sure she had a learning disability, but she seems to

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Speaker 1: have a real people job.

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Speaker 2: So there you're going, Yeah, yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 5: It's you show that that organized lady that you can

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Speaker 5: do stuff too.

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Speaker 1: I can do one thing, and I a yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing that. I guess I love it.

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Speaker 2: I hope we could see clips.

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Speaker 1: Maybe yes, well, I'll see what I can do. Well,

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Speaker 1: that light story to lead us into a pretty serious story,

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Speaker 1: which is that this week is the anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: abby Gate bombing in Afghanistan, which happened upon the hasty

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and it was the anniversary of

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Speaker 1: that bombing and therefore the anniversary of the loss of

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Speaker 1: the loss of thirty teen service members in that bombing,

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Speaker 1: along with a lot of other civilians who were also

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Speaker 1: at that gate for that bombing. Trump, as he is

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Speaker 1: wont to do with this group of folks, honored the

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Speaker 1: families of the Abbygate thirteen in the Oval Office on

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Speaker 1: the anniversary, with all of them surrounding the resolute desk,

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Speaker 1: and he said a few words about it. He signed

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Speaker 1: a proclamation honoring them. Finally, and we'll get into that,

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Speaker 1: but let's play a little clip of him asking JD. Vance,

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Speaker 1: the Vice President, to say a few words while in

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Speaker 1: this room with all the families, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: have the spotlight, not JD. Vance, the families behind Trump

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Speaker 1: have the spotlight. He throws it to JD. This is

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Speaker 1: what Vance had to say.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great JD.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to say a couple of words, bas.

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Speaker 3: Oh, sir, I just second what you said. We're so

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Speaker 3: honored to have all of you here. I know that

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Speaker 3: days like today can't make the hurt go away, but

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Speaker 3: hopefully four years old, we could start to remember with

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Speaker 1: With a little bit of joy.

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Speaker 3: The people that were taken from us were so proud

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Speaker 3: of you. We're so proud of your loved ones for

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Speaker 3: giving their life for our country. And I think importantly

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Speaker 3: today this is a rectification of a wrong, the fact

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Speaker 3: that the president of the United States lost your loved ones

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Speaker 3: through incompetence, but never acknowledge it, and your government never

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Speaker 3: actually put pen to paper to say we're grateful for

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Speaker 3: your sacrifice. We correct that wrong today and we're to

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Speaker 3: keep on fight and understand, as Pete said, and what

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Speaker 3: happens so it never happens to another family again. But

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Speaker 3: God love you all, God bless you. We're so thrilled

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Speaker 3: to have you here in the People's Oval Office.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I I don't think they ever heard from Biden

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Speaker 1: or anybody, didn't you never speak of This is.

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Speaker 2: Trump at his best.

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Speaker 5: He is actually very empathetic to these people. I think

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Speaker 5: that the fact that he does keep remembering them, Yes,

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Speaker 5: is it a shot of Biden, Of course it is,

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Speaker 5: But he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to bring

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Speaker 5: the loss of their loved ones. He doesn't actually have

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Speaker 5: to do any of this. And it's actually so surprising

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they deserve it. And another point on this,

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Speaker 1: Trump did what Biden didn't do because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people do say he only does this because it's a

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Speaker 1: shot at Biden. But Trump did the thing. Remember at

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Speaker 1: his State of the Union when he brought in the

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Speaker 1: widow of a slain Navy seal, Karen Owens. Her husband

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Speaker 1: was Operator Senior Chief William Ryan Owens. He died in

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Speaker 1: an operation that Trump was commander in chief for. That

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Speaker 1: and he brought her there to honor her husband's sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the response of the media was

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Speaker 1: that he was using her as a political.

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Speaker 2: Prop He can't win at all.

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Speaker 1: He can't win, and I've always been mad about that.

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Speaker 1: I spoke up about it at the time and said, look,

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Speaker 1: this woman is not a prop. She's a widow who

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Speaker 1: wants to get the recognition for her husband that he deserves,

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Speaker 1: just as the Abbigate families wanted the recognition that their

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Speaker 1: I have written about this before and it is one

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Speaker 1: of the most shameful episodes of the Biden administration that

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Speaker 1: after actually made it worse. So a couple things. The

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Speaker 1: when Trump honored them by announcing the arrest of the

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Speaker 1: remember this, but he had Cash Betel out on the

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Speaker 1: So that was the first time while Biden was president.

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Speaker 1: The only speech he gave about the Afghan Ganna Sanudral,

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Speaker 1: he termed it an extraordinary success. Oops. There were also

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Speaker 1: Because Biden always gets credit for being the consoler in chief.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, except if nothing else.

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Speaker 5: He's always seen as the hugging guy, right, the guy

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Speaker 1: He's the empathizer. And I felt like I was taking

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Speaker 1: this guy is the opposite of empathetic. Remember when they

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Speaker 1: did the dignified transfer at Dover for the Avigate thirteen.

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Speaker 1: He got in trouble for checking his watch. Jinsaki, his

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Speaker 1: said he didn't check his watch. He indeed did. They

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Speaker 1: And you know who did, Donald Trump. Donald Trump took

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Speaker 1: their calls, took their meetings. Joe Biden also, you'll remember,

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Speaker 1: repeatedly referred to himself as a man who had lost

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Speaker 1: His son served honorably but died of cancer outside of combat.

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Speaker 1: That is different. I have a couple other things then,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. At the State

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Speaker 1: admittedly disrupted the State of the Union by yelling Abby

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Speaker 1: the Union. That's how bad it got. And one more

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Speaker 1: them at Arlington at the invitation of thirteen service members families, right,

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Speaker 1: and they turned it into a national news story. Dana

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Speaker 1: And it is, like you.

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Speaker 5: Said, has leaned into it like Trump did with his

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Speaker 2: And he didn't and he.

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Speaker 5: Ducked that political liability, and it was pretty disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: It's so disgraceful, and it's just it is a terrible

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Speaker 1: the losses that people who sacrifice for this country make.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy, right, but one must do it, even

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Speaker 1: I am so glad that Trump has been the one

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Speaker 1: I am so glad that they're finally getting the right

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Speaker 1: But I do want to have Jessic Kelly's going to

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Speaker 1: read the names of the thirteen following.

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Speaker 1: It was Kareem Nakoui's father who was the one who

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Speaker 1: was arrested at Biden's last State of the Union, and

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Speaker 1: luckily charges were dropped because somebody saw reason there. But

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sad, and I'm sad for these families that

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Speaker 5: hope that Trump's support gives them some comfort. Trump isn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going.

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Speaker 5: Normally, where our first segment we celebrated Trump his accomplishments

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it and like that quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, you have to kind of

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Speaker 5: I don't know how this is going to unfold itself,

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Speaker 2: App Hell yeah, that is like absolutely, the law said it.

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Speaker 5: And speaking of things we don't like, yesterday Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: You made this happen.

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Speaker 5: So I really don't know again what they can do

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Speaker 7: Ex right, people, I might not post about it quite

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll be right back with our last segment where

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Speaker 1: We got to do it alrighty, we have to get

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Speaker 1: That's we're gonna that's our finality. But the Cracker Barrel,

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Speaker 5: Excited about it, and I think that's a nice thing.

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Speaker 5: That really is the vibe shift with this whole Taylor story.

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Speaker 5: I hope we go back to the equivalent of the

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Speaker 5: boomboxes outside of windows, which is what Taylor described Travis,

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Speaker 5: you know, basically doing to her and gushing over your

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Speaker 5: girlfriend or wife or boyfriend or husband love openly. Let

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Speaker 5: Taylor lead the way on that.

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Speaker 1: It's sweet. I want come to succeed. I'm excited for them.

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Speaker 1: Her caption was your English teacher is going to marry

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Speaker 1: your guns teacher. And like Travis, Kelsey really does have

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Speaker 1: a gym teacher vibe. That's it really does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she really does have an English teacher vibe. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's partly why this has succeeded is that

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Speaker 1: it is a departure from her old form of boyfriend

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Speaker 1: who was an artist in her same field usually, which

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Speaker 1: means they're sort of not on purpose but naturally competing

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Speaker 1: with each other for spotlight in some situations. And the

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Speaker 1: thing I like about Kelsey and some of the more

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Speaker 1: red pilled right leaning commentators have been like, she needs

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Speaker 1: to submit to her husband, and that's what this looks like.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about Kelsey is that he's so

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Speaker 1: clearly not threatened by her success. He's he's a modern

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Speaker 1: day gladiator. He he performs feats of manly courage and

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Speaker 1: public really super. Taylor can't do that. She does a

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Speaker 1: different thing, and they both celebrate each other for being

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Speaker 1: successful doing their own thing. And I like it, and

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Speaker 1: I hope they have a bunch of healthy extremely tall babies.

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Speaker 1: And then the weirdos not left say you're being a

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Speaker 1: weird natalist and I'm like, I just wish the couple. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's all I do.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: I believe we have a clip of your daughters talking

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Speaker 5: about this slightly.

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Speaker 1: This is one of my daughters has a slightly different take.

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Speaker 1: This is me breaking the news to them after school yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is engaged to Travis Kelsey.

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Speaker 2: Why what?

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Speaker 5: How do you know that?

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Speaker 1: She posted it on Instagram. She's gonna get.

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Speaker 5: Married by Why.

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Speaker 1: Why that'd be adorable because it would be like the

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Speaker 1: most nipple baby ever. So she says, we laughed over

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Speaker 1: but she says, I hope they don't have a baby,

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Speaker 1: And I said why and she said, because it will

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Speaker 1: be the most neo baby ever, which.

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Speaker 2: Let them have the babies.

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Speaker 1: She's right, and also bring it on exactly. We're never

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Speaker 1: going to hear the end of this, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the wedding coverage.

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Speaker 5: The yeah everything, Oh yeah, we're totally in for it.

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Speaker 5: And then they're gonna have a baby after baby, hopefully hopefully,

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Speaker 5: and yeah, I think we're we're in for a decade

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Speaker 5: of Taylor and.

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Speaker 2: Trev and their life. But you know, again, if.

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Speaker 5: It makes people realize that love is good and marriage

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Speaker 5: is good and family is good, have at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I love, by the way, the Kelsey family

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Speaker 1: for being like so weird they're weirdly normal for as

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Speaker 1: famous as they have got.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely I love their normal.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on Normally.

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