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Speaker 2: The NFL combine later this week. The Rams have said
Speaker 2: to Matthew Stafford, go ahead, test the market. And if
Speaker 2: there's a franchise that knows about letting a quarterback go
Speaker 2: who is close to winning or has won, it's the Rams.
Speaker 2: They did this with Jared Goff, who had gone to
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with them. They got Stafford in return.
Speaker 2: Now they're gonna let Stafford test the market and maybe
Speaker 2: you get his replacement. Maybe it's a Sam Darnold kind
Speaker 2: of situation where you go a little younger. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure with Sean McVay, Sean McVay probably thinks I'm the
Speaker 2: genius here. I'll turn somebody into a great player. But
Speaker 2: the Rams letting Stafford gage the market, we'll talk about
Speaker 2: the potential options there. The Spurs have lost Greg Popovich
Speaker 2: and Victor Wembenyama for the year now. Popovich has been
Speaker 2: out for a long time with the stroke. Wembn Yama
Speaker 2: has a blood clot in his shoulder. And because it's
Speaker 2: the Spurs and it's rare when they have news, and
Speaker 2: they make it even bigger than what it normally is.
Speaker 2: If this was New York or LA or Boston or Philly.
Speaker 2: It feels like it would be a bigger thing. To me,
Speaker 2: it's scary because we've had Chris Bosh who had a
Speaker 2: blood clot that cuts short his Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 2: Here's web Ben Yama, who's twenty one and the blood
Speaker 2: clot in your shoulder. Now I know it's not a
Speaker 2: knee or a foot for a big guy, but this,
Speaker 2: to me is it feels like it should be more
Speaker 2: concerning that. Maybe nationally it's playing here's the future face
Speaker 2: of the NBA, a player who I think will be
Speaker 2: the best player in the game by the time he's
Speaker 2: twenty five. This is worldwide and just feels like, oh,
Speaker 2: they shut him down and we moved on. Hey, let's
Speaker 2: talk about Luca's performance against Denver or the Knicks getting
Speaker 2: blown out. But wembn Yama done for the year. Very
Speaker 2: very surprising with that news. Hopefully it's nothing, but then
Speaker 2: it could be something. It could be really, really something.
Speaker 2: So that was a little bit of a surprise. Alexander
Speaker 2: Ovechkin a hat trick and now thirteen away from topping
Speaker 2: Wayne Gretzky is the greatest goal scorer of all time.
Speaker 2: Not the greatest scorer, nobody's going to get that. But Ovechkin,
Speaker 2: he's chasing down Gretz. Cavs Celtic's thunder Nuggets all of one,
Speaker 2: nine of their last ten. But the Nuggets did get
Speaker 2: roughed up against the Lakers. And the one thing I
Speaker 2: think we weren't fair to Luka Doncik about was the
Speaker 2: shock value of being traded by the Mavericks because he
Speaker 2: didn't know nobody knew. The next thing, you know, you're
Speaker 2: being traded. He thought he was being pranked, thought it
Speaker 2: was an April Fool's Day joke a couple of months early.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we ever gave him the
Speaker 2: time to get kind of acclimated to this, and that's
Speaker 2: what he was saying. It was like, you know, I
Speaker 2: haven't played very well, but I thought, give him two
Speaker 2: weeks to find out, you know, where am I living?
Speaker 2: He just bought a I don't know, fifteen or twenty
Speaker 2: million dollar home in Dallas and then next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: hey what, yeah, you're traded to the Lakers. No I'm not,
Speaker 2: Yes you are, and Lakers getting used to him, him
Speaker 2: getting used to the Lakers, and you saw that the
Speaker 2: other night against Denver. But here's the thing, and I
Speaker 2: know this sounds a little bold, but if they play defense,
Speaker 2: and I know it's a big if. If they play defense,
Speaker 2: they can challenge for a championship. They played defense against
Speaker 2: Denver and that's jj Reddick devised his scheme where you're
Speaker 2: going man and zone, they double triple team Joker. They
Speaker 2: did an incredible job in Denver. They don't win in Denver,
Speaker 2: but see that gave me the Okay, can they do that? Now?
Speaker 2: Luca doesn't play defense, Lebron can This is where the
Speaker 2: younger guys really have to almost inspire the other players
Speaker 2: Lebron and Luca to play some defense here. If they
Speaker 2: play defense with the other weapons that they have in
Speaker 2: the West, they can challenge for a championship. Here is
Speaker 2: Luca on what the win against Denver does for the team,
Speaker 2: Coral confidence.
Speaker 3: You know, I remember when when was the last time
Speaker 3: I won here? So you know, it's very tough to
Speaker 3: play here against that team. So you know, just to
Speaker 3: one like that and it's it's an amazing win for
Speaker 3: us and gives me a lot of confidence moving forward.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, every day is going to
Speaker 3: get better. You know, I'm getting to learn learn the place,
Speaker 3: but I'm getting to learn that. But you know, us three,
Speaker 3: I think depends on the day. You know, everybody has
Speaker 3: so much stealing. So I think today the way we did,
Speaker 3: the way we shared the ball was amazing and the
Speaker 3: ball moving was amazing.
Speaker 2: And Lebron talked about Luca as well in kind of
Speaker 2: getting that chemistry.
Speaker 4: I'm a natural born wide receiver and he's a national
Speaker 4: born quarterback, so it fits perfectly. I've been running a
Speaker 4: floor and running lanes like you know, pretty much my
Speaker 4: whole life. And he's been throwing great passes pretty much
Speaker 4: his whole life. So it's not it's not hard to
Speaker 4: get a rhythm when it comes to that. You know,
Speaker 4: it's just all about you know, eye contact and you know,
Speaker 4: him being a great quarterback like he is, and need
Speaker 4: being the recipient of it.
Speaker 2: And they got a pretty tough schedule coming up, some
Speaker 2: back to backs. But if they play defense, and defense
Speaker 2: to me comes down to do you want to play defense?
Speaker 2: Because if you're getting to the NBA, you're probably a
Speaker 2: really good athlete, and now it comes down to how
Speaker 2: much do you really want to play defense? And is
Speaker 2: it a team commitment. Also your coach and JJ Reddick
Speaker 2: once again did a great job because you shut down
Speaker 2: Joker at seven seven field goal TEMs. He has that
Speaker 2: in a quarter. He has triple doubles before the end
Speaker 2: of the third quarter. They did a great job. Now
Speaker 2: is going to work against everybody?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: But can you find that sweet spot of this is
Speaker 2: who we are? These teams? Now? Golden State's looking for
Speaker 2: its identity. But Jimmy Butler, who are you? What are you?
Speaker 2: And can you continue? They won three in a row
Speaker 2: and I think they're all surprised at how good Jimmy
Speaker 2: Butler still is. Is that enough? Now you're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out are we a three point shooting team? Like
Speaker 2: what is our offense? And having that strategy? They have
Speaker 2: young players, but they're just young players. They haven't been
Speaker 2: great players. It's still Steph Curry, Steve Kerr and I
Speaker 2: still think Golden State has one of those magical runs
Speaker 2: still left in them. Now how long can that last
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? That's really the key? You know. Do
Speaker 2: we trust Oklahoma City? Okay maybe to a certain degree, yes,
Speaker 2: but it feels like in Houston is sneaky. I mean,
Speaker 2: you may not watch them, you may not know them.
Speaker 2: Houston's good, and it's these who's built for a seven
Speaker 2: game series? Now, who's built for the next seven game series?
Speaker 2: That's how you win championships. You want to make them
Speaker 2: match up with you. How are you with half court?
Speaker 2: Do you play defense? All the things that you know
Speaker 2: come into play every single year, and we get caught
Speaker 2: up in threes and offense and all of this, and
Speaker 2: it comes down to what matchups half court offense, half
Speaker 2: court defense. But a long winded way of saying, we
Speaker 2: got some I think some interest here. The Caves, the
Speaker 2: Calves are here for the long haul. Celtics as well,
Speaker 2: thunder Nuggets, throw in Golden State, and throw in the
Speaker 2: Lakers as well, and you know it'll be fun. Now
Speaker 2: the Knicks got blown out by the Cabs, got roughed
Speaker 2: up by the Celtics, is well, and we keep waiting
Speaker 2: to see are you the best team of the East?
Speaker 2: Second best team in the East, third best team in
Speaker 2: the East. So a lot of NBA that as we
Speaker 2: start to pick up a little bit here and maybe
Speaker 2: you know, we'll focus on that. You got the combine
Speaker 2: coming up, So once again, here comes the NFL. You
Speaker 2: had your little window, and I hope you're happy you
Speaker 2: got a little window here hockey in NBA, and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the combines this week. Then we're
Speaker 2: going to lead up to the draft. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: mock drafts, there's free agency. Matthew Stafford. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is where you hold on for dear life if you're
Speaker 2: a sport that's kind of on the periphery. It's like,
Speaker 2: can we get just something. The fact that the NBA
Speaker 2: overshadowed the NFL during the Super Bowl, but it took
Speaker 2: what is truly one of the blockbuster trades of all
Speaker 2: time with Luca, but it did it overshadowed because it
Speaker 2: was a Super Bowl matchup that we had had before
Speaker 2: a couple of years prior. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: everybody was all in on this, because you may not
Speaker 2: want the Chiefs to win, but I don't know how
Speaker 2: many people outside of Pennsylvania wanted the Eagles to win either.
Speaker 2: It's like, hopefully it's a good game, all right? Eight
Speaker 2: seven seven three DP show Best and Worst of the
Speaker 2: weekend Seaton Poll question for our.
Speaker 6: One pole question for our one how about more cemented legacy?
Speaker 6: Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Oh.
Speaker 7: God, it's hot, scaldy hot.
Speaker 6: We're talking about it a little bit before the show today. Okay,
Speaker 6: obviously with Ovechkin getting very close to passing Wayne Gretzky, Okay,
Speaker 6: but you're still nobody's going to doubt that Wayne Gretzky
Speaker 6: is the great one, the greatest of all time. It
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like Michael Jordan anybody's really going to be
Speaker 6: able to pass him either in terms of perception.
Speaker 2: Well, we won't let them. Correct, Yes, no, you have
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan gatekeepers. Correct, Hey, don't you're not going in. Don't.
Speaker 2: Don't even think about Lebron. No, you're not going in.
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to go in there with Wayne. If I
Speaker 2: said how many how many Standy Cup Championships as Wayne won?
Speaker 2: Marvin four, but we don't know what I'm saying with Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike Hey won six? Wayne was you know? Edmonton had
Speaker 2: one of the greatest teams of all time, like Hall
Speaker 2: of Famers, talent, and then he got traded to the
Speaker 2: LA Kings and really changed hockey. You want to talk
Speaker 2: about somebody who changed the game, he did. He helped
Speaker 2: expand it in the United States, Southern States where you
Speaker 2: would go hockey, but they embraced it because everybody wanted it.
Speaker 2: It's it's very similar to what Caitlin Clark is doing
Speaker 2: in the WNBA. You're starting to see, hey, Boston once won,
Speaker 2: uh partly you know, everybody's kind of going, hey, we
Speaker 2: want one of those, you know they the Bay Area.
Speaker 2: Now you're starting to see that Wayne did that with hockey.
Speaker 2: We love basketball no matter where it is, and women's
Speaker 2: basketball still rates well when they're big games. But hockey,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's bringing in Canada's sport here and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, we want to see Wayne Gretzky play
Speaker 2: for the La Kings. It's pretty monumental when it happened.
Speaker 2: But you're seeing that with Caitlin Clark with expansion as well.
Speaker 2: So Wayne o doing that. I mean, Mike didn't change
Speaker 2: the NBA. Think he changed marketing, the shoe deals, but worldwide,
Speaker 2: you know, Mike had a large imprint on the game,
Speaker 2: like Steph Curry changed the game, probably more than Michael
Speaker 2: did from a playing perspective that this is what Steph did,
Speaker 2: Like we can't be Mike, but you can think you
Speaker 2: can be Steph. So there's a difference. Even when you
Speaker 2: watch Wayne play, you go, how does he get away
Speaker 2: with that? And if you ever stand next to him,
Speaker 2: you're like, dude, you're the great one. But he did
Speaker 2: change the game. Mike did to a certain degree, but
Speaker 2: I think his is more global marketing. Steph changed the
Speaker 2: game from a playing perspective. What else do you have, Seeton.
Speaker 6: Yeah, You're still never going to convince anyone that Michael
Speaker 6: wouldn't have won somehow twenty championships in a row if
Speaker 6: he wanted to.
Speaker 2: If you didn't play baseball, you would have won eight
Speaker 2: in a row. Trust me.
Speaker 6: Okay, they didn't win those yuses because they didn't want
Speaker 6: to actually trust you.
Speaker 2: I don't think we look at Wayne the way we
Speaker 2: do Michael Michaels was about championships because statistically there were
Speaker 2: going to be better players. But as far as winning championships,
Speaker 2: he was six and oh Wayne, it was he's the
Speaker 2: greatest scorer. He's the great one. But I don't think
Speaker 2: we go, well, how many titles did he have compared
Speaker 2: to Lemieux or Messier or Gordi. We don't do that. Wayne.
Speaker 2: It was just different, uh, And we had not seen
Speaker 2: somebody who had that ability to score and be as
Speaker 2: if John Stockton led the NBA in scoring, he was
Speaker 2: the all time leading scorer. That's what Wayne is. Wayne
Speaker 2: is the all time assist leader and the all time
Speaker 2: goal scorer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, pulling Oveska needs thirteen goals to pass Gretzky. All
Speaker 7: happen in the next few weeks. He needs fourteen hundred
Speaker 7: more assists to pass Gretzky.
Speaker 2: With assists, I don't think he's gonna get it.
Speaker 7: I don't think so. You got a way of it,
Speaker 7: v Patient, Yeah, I know. Gretzky has two eight and
Speaker 7: fifty seven points. In second place is Yager at nineteen
Speaker 7: hundred and Messi at nineteen hundred. He's a thousand clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but once again, fact just let that sink in.
Speaker 2: John Stockton would be the all time leading scorer and
Speaker 2: the all time assist guy at his size. By the way, crazy.
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Speaker 2: I never figured this out. Eight am and somebody's drinking
Speaker 2: a beer at the bar in the airport. I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten there. Now. I've walked by, and I've actually been
Speaker 2: with people that I work with, in fact, maybe people
Speaker 2: in this room where I've walked by and it's eight
Speaker 2: in the morning and we're getting ready for like a
Speaker 2: nine o'clock flight, and you're like, you're having a beer.
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to go. Yeah, that's exactly what
Speaker 2: I need right now. Yeah, what have you not figured out?
Speaker 2: He said, I haven't figured this out yet. People sitting
Speaker 2: in the bar alone at eight am. What have you
Speaker 2: not figured out about that situation? I don't know.
Speaker 6: First of all, this is why bloody Marys were invented. Okay,
Speaker 6: bloody mare I get But yeah, you're sitting down. There
Speaker 6: is something about a beer, and usually you sit down
Speaker 6: at the bar and you're like, ah, yes, screw it,
Speaker 6: I'll have a beer at eight o'clock up, get a
Speaker 6: quick buzz and get on my plane or whatever. And
Speaker 6: they're like, hey, you want the sixteen or the twenty.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Gigantic beer with your eggs. I get it with you know,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have a bloody mare, like, I understand that,
Speaker 2: or a mimosa, I understand it. I still can't. I'm
Speaker 2: not a day drinker. I'm certainly not a morning drinker,
Speaker 2: but a day drinker not, that's not my wheelhouse. I
Speaker 2: end up taking a nap and you wake up and
Speaker 2: you go, God, let's do it all over again. It's perfect.
Speaker 2: It's the ideal scenario. Yes, yes, ball doesn't.
Speaker 7: It depend on the destination and the group. Because if
Speaker 7: you're let's say you're flying down a Kiowa Island on
Speaker 7: a bro golf trip and you're on the ten o'clock flight,
Speaker 7: you're in the in the lounge at eight forty five,
Speaker 7: you crack a beer, You crack a drink. But if
Speaker 7: you're just flying home casually from a business trip and
Speaker 7: you're at the bar at nine am, that seems problematic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you see those twenty two ounce beers,
Speaker 2: like you couldn't do sixteen. Now I got an upgrade here, right,
Speaker 2: let's go with the gigantic one beer. Yeah, dear, my
Speaker 2: my seat's in coach, but my beer's in business class.
Speaker 2: I'm going twenty two ounce heer.
Speaker 6: You gotta drink it fast because it gets warm towards
Speaker 6: the bottom. So you're like, ah, I just slug this
Speaker 6: down real quick.
Speaker 7: Yes, but you talked about when does vacation start? Airport
Speaker 7: beers is a one seat of your crack that beer? Now,
Speaker 7: I'm you hold it up, you go, now, I'm on vacation.
Speaker 7: It's the biggest dadline of all time. Oh, it's great
Speaker 7: to be back now.
Speaker 2: Like I get to I get a little twitchy at
Speaker 2: the end of vacation where and my wife goes, you
Speaker 2: got another day of vacation. I go, I know, I know, no, no,
Speaker 2: just you start to think about getting back into the
Speaker 2: work mode. And she goes, how about half the day?
Speaker 2: How might stay on vacation half the day? Can you
Speaker 2: do that? I said, what half do you want? Hunt? Yes, Marv.
Speaker 5: So what in the blue hell are you going to do?
Speaker 5: Christmas vacation twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 2: There's nothing to come back to January second, twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have no idea. But you don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about that, because you know what, it's
Speaker 2: none of your business. Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just nosy.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Yeah, I don't care what you do.
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Speaker 2: on Peacock. All right, some of the headlines here. The
Speaker 2: combine is later this week. A lot is going to
Speaker 2: be made to the fact that Shador Sanders won't be
Speaker 2: throwing at the combine. Do not get tricked, don't You
Speaker 2: don't need to click on this, And that's what this is.
Speaker 2: It's clickbait. Quarterbacks who skip out on throwing at the combine.
Speaker 2: Now used to be you were hiding something or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a mechanical flaw, maybe arm is hurt, maybe
Speaker 2: something happened during the regular season that no longer holds weight.
Speaker 2: The combine really isn't about on the field. It's really
Speaker 2: about medicals and team interviews. That's the most important things.
Speaker 2: Especially medicals. They just want to know, are you really
Speaker 2: six ' three? How healthy are you? You know, we
Speaker 2: get caught up in the forty yard dash, we get
Speaker 2: caught up in the three cone drill and all that.
Speaker 2: To me, does it matter? I mean, is it interesting? TV? Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you got nothing going on. But you know, the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks didn't throw last year. Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jaden
Speaker 2: Daniels all opted to throw at their pro days. Was
Speaker 2: there any outrage? Were they hiding something? So? I think
Speaker 2: you've got to be fair in what we're covering. How
Speaker 2: about we be fair to what the real story is here.
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders is doing what other quarterbacks have done first
Speaker 2: round draft picks, not throwing. Now you might view this
Speaker 2: as a knock on should do or saying, oh, he's
Speaker 2: not throwing, that is going to be the message that's
Speaker 2: probably going to be conveyed. The draft process has evolved
Speaker 2: and skipping the throwing portion of the combine isn't a
Speaker 2: red flag. It's just the new norm. And cam Ward,
Speaker 2: do we care if he's throwing or not? And the
Speaker 2: reason why we don't care if he's throwing or not
Speaker 2: because he's not clickbait. You're not clicking on some If
Speaker 2: cam Ward decides he's not going, you know, he opted
Speaker 2: out of the second half of his bowl game, and
Speaker 2: that was a red flag to some people that did
Speaker 2: get covered, And I get it, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if cam Ward throwing or not throwing is going to
Speaker 2: matter to anybody, but should or Sanders because it's Dean
Speaker 2: Sun is going to be clickbait and does it matter?
Speaker 2: I want to see what you do. You want to
Speaker 2: do it on your pro day? Good? I don't take
Speaker 2: any thing out of this. Remember Zach Wilson, My god,
Speaker 2: did you see that throw? He did? The mahomes throw
Speaker 2: left back right? Oh my god, did you see that?
Speaker 2: How did that work out? Right? Kyle Boller from his
Speaker 2: knees can throw it fifty yards? Maybe you should have
Speaker 2: played on his knees like JaMarcus Russell. Like we go
Speaker 2: down the list of guys, where you go, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: did you see that? That's the problem. It's it's like
Speaker 2: you study all year and then you decide you're gonna
Speaker 2: throw away all your notes and you're gonna just go Hey,
Speaker 2: I'll just go with what I remember. But I think
Speaker 2: what happens is you get caught up in the now.
Speaker 2: Let's take the approach. Now, let's look at game film,
Speaker 2: Let's talk to you know, maybe coaches who coached against
Speaker 2: this guy, players who played against you. Just no, no,
Speaker 2: we're not going to do that. We're going to you know,
Speaker 2: change direction right at the last minute. That's why you
Speaker 2: have teams that are littered with quarterbacks who didn't make
Speaker 2: it for a variety of reasons. No one was talking
Speaker 2: about Jayden Daniels last year. It was well, Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: he's going to be the guy. Drake May. I don't
Speaker 2: know acc Flaud mechanics, bow Nicks. You know, I played
Speaker 2: with two different teams, but I don't know Kenny. We
Speaker 2: tend to put the negative out there instead of looking
Speaker 2: that Drake May proved that he could play. Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: we're going to be waiting and is he going to
Speaker 2: be compared with Jane Daniels. We had Jaden Daniels as
Speaker 2: an MVP candidate. Bow Knicks was wonderful, led his team
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, and these two quarterbacks this year would
Speaker 2: be behind those quarterbacks who were taken last year. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I don't think any of them are better
Speaker 2: than bow Knicks and he was the last one. But
Speaker 2: these teams have needs. Tennessee, is you know, are they
Speaker 2: going to take a quarterback? The Brown's going to take
Speaker 2: a quarterback, the Giant's going to take a quarterback, the
Speaker 2: Raiders going to take once again, when you get into
Speaker 2: you fall into this trap. We need a quarterback. No,
Speaker 2: you need your quarterback? Who is the right quarterback for
Speaker 2: this team? Not we need a quarterback because that's when
Speaker 2: you take a quarterback who maybe isn't the right guy
Speaker 2: unless you say Shador Sanders and cam Ward they are
Speaker 2: the same quarterbacks, they're graded the same. Okay, Now where
Speaker 2: do they rank with the other players in this draft?
Speaker 2: You might pass up on Mason Graham out of Michigan,
Speaker 2: who might be a top five player, Abdua Carter, like,
Speaker 2: these guys are impact players who might be Pro Bowl players.
Speaker 2: While you're trying to find your quarterback, that's where you
Speaker 2: get in. That's you find danger there more often than not,
Speaker 2: you find danger because you got to get a quarterback. Tennessee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you need a quarterback. Is cam Ward is should or
Speaker 2: Sanders the quarterback? Or would you be better suited at
Speaker 2: taking Travis Hunter? Or would you be better served by
Speaker 2: trying to get Kirk Cousins for another year or Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: Like that's where teams make mistakes because they reach, and
Speaker 2: they always reach on a quarterback. But should or Sanders
Speaker 2: not throwing at the combine couldn't care less.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some quarterbacks absolutely need to throw at the combine.
Speaker 2: I think cam Ward. If I'm cam Ward, I go
Speaker 2: balls out, like throwing balls round, not literally, no, no, like,
Speaker 2: let's throw some footballs out and you know, be the
Speaker 2: talk of the combine. If you're confident in yourself, take
Speaker 2: over the combine. If Shoudor's not throwing, I am like,
Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing Jackson Dart, who I think
Speaker 2: is the first round talent. I think he's underrated talent now.
Speaker 2: Might go at the end of first round, maybe second round,
Speaker 2: third round. I don't know, haven't seen you know, draft
Speaker 2: grades on him, but I know what I saw. Athletic
Speaker 2: can throw and has a coach who knows a thing
Speaker 2: or two about quarterbacks. So I I think sometimes when
Speaker 2: you get you watch that guy. Even pro days. Pro
Speaker 2: days are supposed to be it's you're supposed to look good.
Speaker 2: It's like your highlight you know, high school highlight tape.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be good. He dribbled off his shoe. Yes, Paulie,
Speaker 2: I go back to that. You said, uh was it?
Speaker 7: Christian Ponder? Remember that draft twenty eleven, Cam Newton went
Speaker 7: number one and everyone needed a quarterback, and it was
Speaker 7: like Blaine Gabbert went, Christian Ponder went. Everybody needed a quarterback.
Speaker 7: A lot of them didn't work out that year. They
Speaker 7: took guys Christian Ponder a week before the draft. They
Speaker 7: had him as a mid second second round guy. And
Speaker 7: then the Vikings everyone had to have a quarterback. There's
Speaker 7: some drafts where everyone does it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll go back to Achilles Smith got drafted by
Speaker 2: the Bengals third overall. You're like, why gotta get our quarterback?
Speaker 2: And Tim Donovan McNabb go before him. That does that
Speaker 2: sound right? Tim Couch go number one. I gotta get
Speaker 2: our quarterback, don't get get the right quarterback? Not uh
Speaker 2: the yes, yes see.
Speaker 6: I remember in the Christian Ponder era, as it will
Speaker 6: forever be known of overreaching, there were these funny storylines
Speaker 6: about how like and it was really a lot had
Speaker 6: to do with I think Tom Brady and like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: The best quarterbacks are later in the draft. Everybody's reaching
Speaker 6: for these guys up here. Most of them don't work out.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna anybody that's graded like a third rounder
Speaker 6: we're gonna take in the first round because we're flipping
Speaker 6: the script on how where the value actually is. It
Speaker 6: was one I remember being one of the craziest times
Speaker 6: and most confusing times to talk about the draft because
Speaker 6: it would be like, well, this guy's projected as a
Speaker 6: first rounder, right, that's why he's going to fall to
Speaker 6: the fourth Yeah, Like, what the hell if this guy's
Speaker 6: a fifth rounder, right, he might go top ten?
Speaker 2: What why? Uh? Tim in Ohio? Hi, Tim? What's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 10: Five days muscular, two seventy five Cleveland Browns are looking
Speaker 10: at the rulers of the problems, are looking at sitting
Speaker 10: Matthew Stafford, then trading Miles Scarett to the Lions for
Speaker 10: a bunch of draft picks.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're not reporting that, Tim, You're just sources close
Speaker 2: to you tell you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, first on.
Speaker 2: Line, that's what I thought, Thank you, Tim. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: Lion's got a lot of draft picks. You know, your
Speaker 2: first round picks are going to be at the end
Speaker 2: of the first round. But you can get Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: You bringing Math Stafford? But what are you doing with
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford? Are you ready to win? Matthew Stafford wants
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars a year. Probably at least you're going
Speaker 2: to bring him in two years, one hundred and ten million. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: you're paying to Shaun Watson. Uh, meanwhile, you had Joe
Speaker 2: Flacco who led you to the playoff, Like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? The team that should be calling right now,
Speaker 2: right now, even though it's a West coast time that
Speaker 2: they would be calling the Rams, So it's only seven fourteen.
Speaker 2: You could get a hold of Sean McVay right now,
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, I'd be calling. They probably already called. You
Speaker 2: get Matthew Stafford now to help. If you got a
Speaker 2: couple of good receivers. I mean, Najee Harris gets you
Speaker 2: a thousand yards, you got a good defense. Pickens is unreliable,
Speaker 2: he's always worth, you know, worthy of a highlight. But
Speaker 2: you've got to get, you know, some guys who can
Speaker 2: be out there all the time and give you There's
Speaker 2: no reason to bring in Stafford unless you're going to
Speaker 2: give him some talent. But if I'm Pittsburgh, absolutely Matthew
Speaker 2: Stafford wants out. He once get paid, okay, And the
Speaker 2: Rams aren't afraid, No, that front office is not afraid.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, hey, so just bring in another quarterback here,
Speaker 2: we'll figure it out.
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Speaker 2: Got to watch a lot of the four Nations face
Speaker 2: off tournament. It's a lot of fun. But once again,
Speaker 2: we've talked about this with the NBA. Can you have
Speaker 2: the United States against the rest of the world. I
Speaker 2: think it would be interesting. And if you get to
Speaker 2: see that documentary on the Olympics and you see Joker
Speaker 2: and how passionate he was they won the bronze and
Speaker 2: he was so excited winning the bronze and losing the
Speaker 2: gold medal, but because he was with his fellow countrymen.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you could get that same kind
Speaker 2: of patriotism in different parts of the world. But if
Speaker 2: you're the NBA, and I know maybe we shouldn't link
Speaker 2: together the NHL and the NBA, but the timing of it,
Speaker 2: and one was successful and one was once again not successful,
Speaker 2: I think you have to Steve Levy, the SPN NHL
Speaker 2: play by play man and host Sports Center host as well.
Speaker 2: All right, Leaves, how did we get to this four
Speaker 2: nation tournament. How did it come up and how long
Speaker 2: has it been kind of in the works, not that long.
Speaker 11: Dan, We needed a spark. I think I think people
Speaker 11: have grown tired of the All Star breaks for all
Speaker 11: the corporate sponsors and those kinds of things. I think
Speaker 11: the skills competitions of all getting old, and I think
Speaker 11: we needed some kind of spark. I think we saw
Speaker 11: the and I say we, I mean the NHL and
Speaker 11: Hockey saw the Olympics on the horizon and let's do something.
Speaker 11: So that's the amazing thing about this four nations. But
Speaker 11: I think that this is a one off. I don't
Speaker 11: think we ever see four nations again. This was a
Speaker 11: stop gap, despite how successful it was.
Speaker 5: NHL has already said they're gonna do World.
Speaker 11: Cup of Hockey and that could be eight eight nations,
Speaker 11: eight countries.
Speaker 5: So I think this is a one off.
Speaker 11: I don't think we see four nations again in this
Speaker 11: in this exact format with the Olympics next year.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a mistake.
Speaker 11: No, Listen, the only downside, and we're really nitpicking because
Speaker 11: this thing was unbelievable, you know, made for television gimmicking.
Speaker 11: We obviously got the right matchup in the end, in
Speaker 11: the right places, there are still some great players. I mean,
Speaker 11: if you want best on Best, you know, Alexander Rovetskin's
Speaker 11: not there, David Pastrnak is not there. These are you know,
Speaker 11: outstanding players, and there's five or six other guys. And listen,
Speaker 11: but this could have gone This could have gone awfully wrong.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 11: We could have had the Finns and Swedes, and while
Speaker 11: they hate each other, they despise each other at least
Speaker 11: as much as America in Canada does. I'm not sure
Speaker 11: nine point three million people would have tuned in the US.
Speaker 2: I was wondering about this if they did this again,
Speaker 2: could you see where there was a draft of Russian players.
Speaker 2: Each nation got to bring somebody just so I can
Speaker 2: incorporate some of these great players. And maybe you don't
Speaker 2: want to recognize Russia, but you still have to recognize
Speaker 2: the players who play in your league. Could you have
Speaker 2: something like that? Would that work for these names?
Speaker 5: Something?
Speaker 11: Absolutely, because you can't do another one of these tournaments
Speaker 11: without those guys. It's not then best on Best. The
Speaker 11: draft is an interesting idea. I hadn't heard that. You know,
Speaker 11: we've done World Team before, right, So everybody other than
Speaker 11: you know, US Canada and so and so. I want
Speaker 11: to give Greg Wshinsky credit because he writes to ESPN.
Speaker 11: I don't know if it's his idea, but he told
Speaker 11: me about it. He approached the idea of a Summit series.
Speaker 11: So we can just get the US Canada, okay, and
Speaker 11: are assured of that. And the nineteen seventy two Summit
Speaker 11: series people of our age Dan when where Paul Henderson
Speaker 11: scores the goal. They had a best of eight and
Speaker 11: it was simply Canada against the uss R.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I got the best of eight.
Speaker 5: How that works doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 11: But things were different than seventy two and so, just
Speaker 11: because the US Canada thing was so good. But I'm
Speaker 11: with you, we need to incorporate everybody, and right, have
Speaker 11: two spots, right, you want have two roster spots for
Speaker 11: you know, players who are not American or Canadian or
Speaker 11: something along those lines. But I think we go to
Speaker 11: five or six or eight nations and you hope for
Speaker 11: the matchup we got in Boston on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: Steve Levy of the Mothership Seaton, what is the poll question?
Speaker 2: With Gretzky and Michael Jordan.
Speaker 6: Whose legacy is more cemented, Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky.
Speaker 5: It's a good question.
Speaker 11: I think I think it's Gretzky's is more cemented because
Speaker 11: there is now the fair argument of Jordan Lebron and
Speaker 11: I don't think it matters how many goals Alexandrovitchkin scores.
Speaker 11: No one will ever say that, you know, someone other
Speaker 11: than Wayne Gretzky was the best hockey player of all
Speaker 11: time unless you live in Boston, which then you say
Speaker 11: it's Bobby Orr. I get that, or Pittsburgh Mario Lemieux.
Speaker 5: But I don't think.
Speaker 11: There's any real argument other than Wayne, Whereas in the
Speaker 11: NBA now there seems to be a legitimate argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at the cultural impact of Gretzky, and
Speaker 2: I liken it too. Now you have Caitlin Clark, who
Speaker 2: is opening up the entire United States for w NBA teams.
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, you have Boston once won,
Speaker 2: and you know Portland, and Gretzky did that when he
Speaker 2: came to Los Angeles. The fact that there was going
Speaker 2: to be hockey in Florida, and people are like, really,
Speaker 2: but that's because of Wayne Gretzky and the amount.
Speaker 11: Of youth hockey rinks that exploded and opened up. And
Speaker 11: I mentioned Bobby Yor, but you know all over Massachusetts
Speaker 11: people went wild for Bobby Yor and all of those things.
Speaker 11: And yes, Wayne Gretzky, Anaheim, obviously, Los Angeles, all of
Speaker 11: these those southern states. You know, for a long time
Speaker 11: you had a team in Arizona that didn't work out,
Speaker 11: but in the desert they were playing hockey. And the
Speaker 11: great example of that is DP is you know Austin Matthews.
Speaker 11: So he grew up in Arizona. He was at the
Speaker 11: game where Ovechkin scores what is many believe was the
Speaker 11: greatest single regular season goal of all time on his stomach,
Speaker 11: on his back, twisting around.
Speaker 5: Austin Matthews is in the.
Speaker 11: Building for that game, for that Coyotes home game, and
Speaker 11: so whatever spurred him on, and so players are then
Speaker 11: exposed to it.
Speaker 5: The Caitlin Clark, it's a great example. You get seer
Speaker 5: her on TV.
Speaker 11: She's in Subway commercials, and sure all state commercials and
Speaker 11: all his insurance came. And yet it has to capture
Speaker 11: the imagination and young people watching. And that was the
Speaker 11: great thing about the four Nations two to go back
Speaker 11: to it, like I heard from so many non hockey people,
Speaker 11: Dan right, and I mean, you know NFL types, people
Speaker 11: who would never give hockey the time of day, and
Speaker 11: we're watching it and fell in love with it. And
Speaker 11: I go back to the fights and people won't like this,
Speaker 11: but I think the Kuchuck fights on the Saturday night
Speaker 11: in Montreal, the three fights and nine seconds really made
Speaker 11: the turn look people would have watched US Canada. I
Speaker 11: get that, but that attracted a certain crowd. I know
Speaker 11: people were calling their buddies. You got to put this
Speaker 11: on with the hopes of maybe seeing it again, which
Speaker 11: we didn't. But I thought the fights had a great
Speaker 11: impact on the television rating and whatever. You're a hockey
Speaker 11: person who cares whatever it is to get you there.
Speaker 11: And now can the NHL harness that momentum. We had
Speaker 11: great games yesterday and the day before on EBC two
Speaker 11: and not going down and now here it comes down
Speaker 11: right here. Here's the outdoor game in Columbus, little Ohio
Speaker 11: state Michigan flavor for you. Here's the trade deadline and
Speaker 11: the run of the playoffs and what I think is
Speaker 11: the best postseason all of sports. So can this momentum
Speaker 11: keep going?
Speaker 2: Why did they fight right away?
Speaker 11: So there's a story that they had a group chat
Speaker 11: like a text chain that the Canadians, of course, are
Speaker 11: now making fun of after the tournament was over. But
Speaker 11: the two Kuchucks and JT. Miller who were out there,
Speaker 11: they had a chant, hey, you go first, No, I'll
Speaker 11: go first, you go for who's gonna go first? Right,
Speaker 11: I'll take the first guy, you come after me. And
Speaker 11: it was, you know, it was like right out of
Speaker 11: the Bash Brothers for the you know, the Mighty Ducks movie,
Speaker 11: right it's and it was wild. I think they caught
Speaker 11: the Canadians off guard. The Kuchucks, they loved being the
Speaker 11: villains up in Canada where they're booing the American national anthem.
Speaker 11: And although that side show is definitely going on and
Speaker 11: plays a role, and I think the Kachuck Brothers shook
Speaker 11: the place up. I think it shook everything up. It
Speaker 11: got everyone on board and Canada and back down. And
Speaker 11: you know, they won one of the fights at least
Speaker 11: to think, and but it seemed to galvanize the whole
Speaker 11: tournament and bring it together. And if you're asking, you know,
Speaker 11: who's the face of hockey in the US. You know,
Speaker 11: I think now it's I think it's Matthew could chuck
Speaker 11: and and the downside of the four nations, Dan, And
Speaker 11: this is you know, the only the only negative to
Speaker 11: this whole great tournament. We don't know when Matthew's coming back.
Speaker 11: He plays for the defending Stanley Cup champs, and you
Speaker 11: know there's talk he might not come back this season.
Speaker 11: So you know, you want you don't want the All
Speaker 11: Star Game where the guys aren't trying hard. But when
Speaker 11: guys are out there killing each other, you get where
Speaker 11: you get real injuries. Shay Theodore hurt himself, Vegas's top defenseman,
Speaker 11: uh and they're Charlie McAvoy of Boston. We don't know
Speaker 11: when he's coming back. So that's the risk verst reward
Speaker 11: in a tournament like this.
Speaker 2: You ever been hit by a puck while on the jump.
Speaker 11: On the job, No, I have not, because I've never
Speaker 11: been in that in between spot between the benches.
Speaker 5: But I played back in the day, Dan, I was
Speaker 5: a feared center.
Speaker 2: I really really led my.
Speaker 11: Team at penalty minutes every year now wearing a full cage,
Speaker 11: of course, to protect the money maker.
Speaker 2: As you know, you want to protect your hair.
Speaker 5: Steve still looking all right.
Speaker 2: Yeh, it looks pretty good for.
Speaker 5: Not sixty, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that the hair looks like it's sixty or so.
Speaker 5: Just happy to have some quite frankly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember in the day though on Sports Center.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you had you had good moss.
Speaker 5: It was darker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had mine. I think mine was puffier.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did you do that on purpose or no? No?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it cost me a job
Speaker 2: at Fox, but I I interviewed for their pregame show,
Speaker 2: and I was with David Hill, then president of Fox Sports.
Speaker 2: We're in Arizona, super Bowl big, you know, secret meeting.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna join Fox. I'm gonna be there
Speaker 2: pregame football guy. And I meet with David Hill having lunch.
Speaker 2: I think it's going great, and then he says two
Speaker 2: words fail you cream rints. And then he got up
Speaker 2: and left. And I didn't know what that meant other
Speaker 2: than cream rints, you know, to condition her to keep
Speaker 2: your hair, you know, from getting too So I said
Speaker 2: to my wife. She goes, how did it go? And
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know, he said, two words to me.
Speaker 2: At the very end, he goes, Cream rants and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: he's probably making fun of your hair. I go, what
Speaker 2: so I didn't get the job.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have gotten the joke either. By the way,
Speaker 5: at that time.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking it's a legitimate meeting. I'm he's he's quite.
Speaker 2: He says, Oh, I ranted by random by everybody on
Speaker 2: the dais you're really really well liked. You know how
Speaker 2: he loves you? And Terry and I go, okay, I
Speaker 2: are good, I'm good, all right, all right, two words
Speaker 2: for you, cream Rance. Never heard from him again.
Speaker 11: I think that's changed over the years, because bald seems
Speaker 11: to be in now. Bald seems to beautiful. A lot
Speaker 11: of successful bald guys on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I if I look like Messier,
Speaker 2: then I would do it right. But I don't look
Speaker 2: like MESSI he.
Speaker 5: Looks great in a helmet.
Speaker 11: He's still got that great farhead too, you know what
Speaker 11: I mean, forehead forehead, he looks. He looks tough man
Speaker 11: back in the day. You want to google a guy
Speaker 11: international play too. By the way, google some Mark Messier
Speaker 11: for you. Elbows and just taking people.
Speaker 2: Out Okay, okay, Gretzky's the greatest score of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and see the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 5: I think he is.
Speaker 11: And uh, you know, sitting next to mess mess just
Speaker 11: can you imagine being the second.
Speaker 5: Guy Dan all the time like your entire life.
Speaker 11: Gretzky Messia, you know what that kind of and and
Speaker 11: mess defers to gretz Actually they have such a beautiful
Speaker 11: relationship because every time and I watch Gretz on TNT
Speaker 11: all the time, and he always the first guy he
Speaker 11: throws out of a Mark did for us what mess did.
Speaker 5: Messier did for us. And they've got this great thing.
Speaker 11: And I maybe that's part of a hockey there's no ego,
Speaker 11: you know, and team first and all about the team
Speaker 11: and all that thing. I have heard that that Messia
Speaker 11: is considered the greatest leader in all of sports, which
Speaker 11: is quite the compliment. You know, the the weighty see
Speaker 11: on a hockey sweater that you don't see in the
Speaker 11: other sports. But no, I think Retch is the greatest
Speaker 11: player of all time.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question yager best hair of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 11: You know, he's still playing Dan, He's still playing competitive hockey.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. You want to see fives.
Speaker 2: On a guy, buddy, No, I don't, not really, but
Speaker 2: but but thank you though. Thank you hockey Pants. That
Speaker 2: was my nickname in high school, Big hockey Pants. I
Speaker 2: didn't even play hockey, that was big hockey Pants. Great
Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Always a pleasure, Dan, Thank
Speaker 2: you Leaves. That's see Believe me.